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> On Nov 13, 2023, at 12:06 PM, glen <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: > > You might want to check the Gurometer. Lex has an entry: > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Oe-af4_OmzLJavktcSKGfP0wmxCX0ppP8n_Tvi9l_yc/edit?usp=sharing > > While Lex's scores are relatively low compared to some of the wackos on the > list, we are known by association. And many of Lex's guests score relatively > high. > >> On 11/13/23 10:08, Steve Smith wrote: >> It seems (maybe only to me?) that "will" is what defines the intersection of >> memory and imagination? The free-will-less-ness-ers among us (ala Sopolsky >> <https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/oct/24/determined-life-without-free-will-by-robert-sapolsky-review-the-hard-science-of-decisions>) >> may find this an entirely specious thing to consider or discuss (though >> without free will, what means "specious" or "discuss" or "consider" sans >> free-will?). >> I recently discovered Lex Fridman's podcasts >> <https://lexfridman.com/podcast/> and was quite surprised by several things >> (albeit with very limited sampling... all of his most recent interview with >> Musk and a bit of his interview with Isaacson and about half of the Harari >> one): I don't significantly disagree with the general mistrust of Musk in >> his Autistic-ish style and affect, but I'd say that Lex brings out the best >> in him, showing him to be capable of thoughtful and even empathetic-ish >> observations. As I understand it (from my reading of Isaacson's biography >> of Musk) brother Kimball may also be a significantly similar "regulating >> influence" on Elon. Grimes maybe, maybe not. The other mothers of his >> children, same-same... probably each and all of them for a period of time or >> within certain frameworks. And again, same with the children... though >> maybe projection on my part having been moderately well-regulated in several >> modes by my own children during each of their phases (right up to their >> current middle-agedness). >> As an aside, Fridman's other interviews also all sound potentially >> fascinating... though I cringe at the fact/thought of interviews with >> Netanyahu, KanYE, Kushner, Rogan... the commentary I've read around >> those interviews tends to skew toward "how could you normalize (amplify?) >> those A**holes by even giving them the time of the day???!!!?". Lex's >> interviews are definitely long-form (1-2 hours) compared to today's >> tik-tok/ad-jingle/bumper-sticker/snark-pith calibrated sound-bitery. I >> find myself avoiding them for this reason (not wanting to commit to >> listening past some of my own prejudices long enough to hear what they are >> really about?) but recognize (and have already begun to practice) that as >> with long-form written journalism, I can take it in bits, like I might eat a >> rich holiday meal... not try to gulp it down quickly in one sitting like a >> TV-dinner (for you X-ers, "Hot-Pocket", and Millenials == "??") for the mind. >> My recent fascination with Deacon's "Teleodynamics", Jeff Hawkins' take on >> the structure/function of the neocortex and Ian McGilchrist's updated take >> on brain bicameralism (Master and Emissary >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Master_and_His_Emissary>) feeds into this >> question of the intersection of memory and imagination and the implications >> of Transformer Models and other Generative Models in general. My direct >> experience with GPT-4 and DALL-E is significant (many 10s of hours of >> engagement) but still a drop in the bucket. There are times when I feel >> that all I've done is engaged with an incredibly high-dimensional >> french-curve/bezier spline and thereby been able to smoothly >> interpolate/extrapolate a handful of interesting (to me) data points into >> what feels like a powerful elaboration of what is implied by said curve-fit >> in the past (unknown knowns?) and future (unknown unknowns)? When I'm not >> totally enraptured by the (apparent?) novelty (relative to my >> expectations/predictions) of it's responses I'm generally disappointed at >> it's limited creativity... and left puzzling over the question of "novelty >> vs creativity". >> Bumble, >> - Steve >>> On 11/13/23 10:27 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>> It seems to me that neither Musk and Thiel are interested in the unknown. >>> They are interested in doing things they can already imagine. For Musk I >>> thought that was because it is how he raises money. Now I think he is not >>> imagining consciousness in a, say, a transporter pattern buffer, he >>> imagines life on the Enterprise bridge in his body. Rockets are >>> comparatively science fictiony for people that can't imagine transport >>> without a car, so he gets some points for that. >>>> On Nov 13, 2023, at 10:11 AM, glen<geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> There's an interesting parallel between the Stross and Gellman pieces: >>>> Stross both laments and implicitly appreciates the bureaucracy of getting >>>> a book published, where Thiel's aggrieved by the bureaucracy of societal >>>> evolution. >>>> >>>> It reminds me of the engineering-vs-biology dichotomy (yes, false, like >>>> all of them) I came to appreciate after being exposed to enough >>>> biomimetics (to kill a horse). Some of us see the world and think about >>>> how to change it, build a better world ... or perhaps destroy the world, >>>> whatever floats your inner engineer. And some of us see the world and are >>>> awestruck, hypnotized, baffled by its qualities (whether beautiful or >>>> horrifying). It's easy to give the latter a pass and denigrate the former >>>> when confronted with, say, butterflies or the Grand Canyon. And it's easy >>>> to give the former a pass when confronted with poverty and war. >>>> >>>> But the next time you're at the DMV or arguing with some poor sucker >>>> manning the phones at the IRS, it can be useful to remember the falseness >>>> of the dichtomy. Similarly, when all you want to do is sleep under the >>>> stars and those damned gnats keep homing into your ears, it can be useful >>>> to think like an engineer. >>>> >>>> Policy and science fiction aren't that far apart. >>>> >>>>> On 11/10/23 13:46, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>>>> original.png >>>>> Peter Thiel Is Taking a Break From >>>>> Democracy<https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2023/11/peter-thiel-2024-election-politics-investing-life-views/675946/?utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share> >>>>> On 11/10/23 11:26, Roger Critchlow wrote: >>>>> Text of Charlie Stross' talk to Next Frontiers Applied Fiction Day in >>>>> Stuttgart on Friday November 10th, 2023, concerning where the >>>>> techno-industrial elite found their horrible philosophies/secular >>>>> religions. >>>>> https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2023/11/dont-create-the-torment-nexus.html >>>> -- > > > -- > ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . 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