Dear Thomas, you are absolutely right. The "anarch" at least knows what he does if gives up some of his freedom in order to survive in society. We all have to pay a price if we don´t want to live literally in the forest. But at least the anarch knows then what he does and knows that freedom is something precious and worth fighting for. Yours, Klaus
--- Thomas Friese <thomasfri...@ymail.com> schrieb am Do, 14.1.2010: Von: Thomas Friese <thomasfri...@ymail.com> Betreff: Re: AW: [juenger_org] Niekisch's Critique of Juenger An: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Datum: Donnerstag, 14. Januar 2010, 18:56 Bravo, Klaus! I would have replied exactly the same way to "who finances it". I would add that an anarch is aware that there is no free lunch in life. In one way or another, everyone pays for their choices. But he is more aware of this reality and therefore attempts to choose consciously what he is prepared to pay for. Most people get given their choices already made by society and must still pay for what they don't fundamentally want. The anarch also "knows the rules" and realizes that living in society has its price, which he must pay if he wants to remain there and not flee to the forest. Thomas --- On Mon, 1/4/10, klaus gauger <klaus_gauger@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: klaus gauger <klaus_gauger@ yahoo.com> Subject: AW: [juenger_org] Niekisch's Critique of Juenger To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 4:32 PM Dear Joel, it is right that Jünger always fled from society, as a 18 year old schoolboy to the foreign legion, and as a old man as an anarch into the forest. Who finances this freedom? That is a typical question of a marxist. Today we have in modern society millions of anarchs: Young people who don´t want to make a career and don´t want to participate in the "rat race" and subsist with temporary jobs, or doing their own business, or even with social welfare or who live from the money of their parents, young people who experiment with drugs, travel, read, write (all the things that Jünger did), sometimes temporarily, sometimes as a choosen lifestile. They survive in the economical and geographical niches that modern, rich and developed societies always offer. The question is not "who finances this freedom?" the question is: "Do you dare to live an individualistic, anti-conformistic life, even if means to have less money than average people, even if it means that you don´t get the recognition that average people get as so called hard-working citizens?". Besides: Also an anarch can work very hard. Jünger wrote a lot of books and earned some money with it. But an Anarch will always do a work that is also rewarding for himself. He won´t work only for money or because he has fear to be evaluated as an unworthy, lazy outsider in society. Yours, Klaus --- Joel Dietz <jdi...@gmail. com> schrieb am Mo, 4.1.2010: Von: Joel Dietz <jdi...@gmail. com> Betreff: [juenger_org] Niekisch's Critique of Juenger An: "juenger_org" <juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de> Datum: Montag, 4. Januar 2010, 14:26 Was reviewing my notes on Eliot Neaman's Dubious Past (P. 188-189), and came across this: In a two-page critique of the Waldgang, a copy of which Niekisch sent to Juenger, the former editor of the national Bolshevist Widerstand compared Juenger ot Max Stirner, whose individualism was nearly solipsistic. Acording to Niekisch, Juenger doesn’t realize how indebted every individual is to the collective: indeed, he remarks, “glorious isolation” is a version of societal exploitation. Niekisch wonders why the figure of the Waldgaenger has achieved such popularity among conservatives, positing that postwar individualism is the last refuge o the European intellectual, threatened by the mass culture of America nad the Stalinist Leviathan of Russia. Niekisch detects in all of Juenger’s poses the flight from society, ”whether in Africa, as a heroic soldier, a gourmet of aesthetics, as a runaway from Hitle’rs army in the dreamy reflection of Gardens and Streets, as a mountain dweller in the cosmic sphere of Heliopolis. .. . wherever one looks, one uncovers the figure of the fleeing nihilist.” Finally, Niekisch asks, “where is the forest?” He considers the trees a natural metaphor for solitude and refuge, comparable to Rousseau’s idea of nature. AS such the forest “is the somber feeling, the intuitive sense of the inner self, emancipated from the exterior world.” Niekisch concludes with the material question, “who finances this freedom” Curious how list members would respond to Niekisch's critiques. Best, Joel ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail. yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com