Dear Joel,
nihilism must not be something weak and worthless. It can also be a sign of strenght and vitality. Jünger says that in "Der Waldgang". Hedonism musn´t also be bad, if it is combined with any sort of commitment to a cause. Ozzy Osbourne is, like many musicians, a hedonist, but he (and the other members of Black Sabbath, especially Tony Iommi) invented a new art-form, Heavy Metal, and Ozzy is commited to this art until today and has made great efforts to create songs that belong now to the history of Heavy Metal and are appreciated by many fans, like me for example. Seen from a marxist or christian morality Ozzy Osbourne surely is a ugly hedonist and nihilist, but seen from a more open-minded point of view he also is a person of high value for our society. Yours, Klaus --- Joel Dietz <jdi...@gmail.com> schrieb am Do, 14.1.2010: > Von: Joel Dietz <jdi...@gmail.com> > Betreff: Re: AW: [juenger_org] Niekisch's Critique of Juenger > An: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de > Datum: Donnerstag, 14. Januar 2010, 20:23 > I'm not convinced. The article after > Niekisch's reviews Juenger's > "Nihilism" in greater depth. A phrase from "The Peace" > indicates a > complete rejection of this impulse, but what replaces > it? Aesthetics? > Ozzy Osbourne-like hedonistic abandonment? > > I believe the proper point of comparison would be > Hoelderlin, but I am > without conclusions, only questions. > > Jd > > On 1/14/10, Thomas Friese <thomasfri...@ymail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bravo, Klaus! I would have replied exactly the same > way to "who finances > > it". > > > > I would add that an anarch is aware that there is no > free lunch in life. In > > one way or another, everyone pays for their choices. > But he is more aware of > > this reality and therefore attempts to choose > consciously what he is > > prepared to pay for. Most people get given their > choices already made by > > society and must still pay for what they don't > fundamentally want. > > > > The anarch also "knows the rules" and realizes that > living in society has > > its price, which he must pay if he wants to remain > there and not flee to the > > forest. > > > > Thomas > > > > --- On Mon, 1/4/10, klaus gauger <klaus_gau...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > From: klaus gauger <klaus_gau...@yahoo.com> > > Subject: AW: [juenger_org] Niekisch's Critique of > Juenger > > To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de > > Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 4:32 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Joel, > > > > > > it is right that Jünger always fled from society, as > a 18 year old schoolboy > > to the foreign legion, and as a old man as an anarch > into the forest. Who > > finances this freedom? That is a typical question of a > marxist. Today we > > have in modern society millions of anarchs: Young > people who don´t want to > > make a career and don´t want to participate in the > "rat race" and subsist > > with temporary jobs, or doing their own business, or > even with social > > welfare or who live from the money of their parents, > young people who > > experiment with drugs, travel, read, write (all the > things that Jünger did), > > sometimes temporarily, sometimes as a choosen > lifestile. They survive in the > > economical and geographical niches that modern, rich > and developed societies > > always offer. The question is not "who finances this > freedom?" the question > > is: "Do you dare to live an individualistic, > anti-conformistic life, even if > > means to have less money than average people, even if > it means that you > > don´t get the recognition that average people get as > so called hard-working > > citizens?". Besides: Also an anarch can work very > hard. Jünger wrote a lot > > of books and earned some money with it. But an > Anarch will always do a work > > that is also rewarding for himself. He won´t work > only for money or because > > he has fear to be evaluated as an unworthy, lazy > outsider in society. > > > > > > Yours, > > > > Klaus > > > > > > > > --- Joel Dietz <jdi...@gmail. com> schrieb am > Mo, 4.1.2010: > > > > > > Von: Joel Dietz <jdi...@gmail. com> > > Betreff: [juenger_org] Niekisch's Critique of Juenger > > An: "juenger_org" <juenger_org@ yahoogroups. > de> > > Datum: Montag, 4. Januar 2010, 14:26 > > > > > > > > > > Was reviewing my notes on Eliot Neaman's Dubious > Past (P. 188-189), and > > came across this: > > > > In a two-page critique of the Waldgang, a copy of > which Niekisch sent to > > Juenger, the former editor of the national Bolshevist > Widerstand compared > > Juenger ot Max Stirner, whose individualism was nearly > solipsistic. Acording > > to Niekisch, Juenger doesn’t realize how indebted > every individual is to the > > collective: indeed, he remarks, “glorious > isolation” is a version of > > societal exploitation. Niekisch wonders why the figure > of the Waldgaenger > > has achieved such popularity among conservatives, > positing that postwar > > individualism is the last refuge o the European > intellectual, threatened by > > the mass culture of America nad the Stalinist > Leviathan of Russia. > > > > > > > > Niekisch detects in all of Juenger’s poses the > flight from society, ”whether > > in Africa, as a heroic soldier, a gourmet of > aesthetics, as a runaway from > > Hitle’rs army in the dreamy reflection of Gardens > and Streets, as a mountain > > dweller in the cosmic sphere of Heliopolis. .. . > wherever one looks, one > > uncovers the figure of the fleeing nihilist.” > Finally, Niekisch asks, “where > > is the forest?” He considers the trees a natural > metaphor for solitude and > > refuge, comparable to Rousseau’s idea of nature. AS > such the forest “is the > > somber feeling, the intuitive sense of the inner self, > emancipated from the > > exterior world.” Niekisch concludes with the > material question, “who > > finances this freedom” > > > > Curious how list members would respond to Niekisch's > critiques. > > > > Best, > > > > > > Joel > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen > herausragenden Schutz > > gegen Massenmails. > > http://mail. > yahoo.com > > > > > > > -- > joeldietz.com | twitter.com/jdietz | > twitter.com/fractastical (tech) > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > (Yahoo!-ID erforderlich) > > juenger_org-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.de > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com
