Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: > DJ Lucas wrote: > >> All the recently mentioned changes and updates have been made except for >> the testsuite fixes that Robert has been working on as I haven't had the >> time to do manual builds. Of note: GCC-4.3.2, GlibC-2.8-20080905, LSB >> bootscripts, initd-tools introduced, man instead of mandb and added >> groff-utf8 package (thanks Ken). Man is probably still a little broken >> > > Yes, it is. Please read the man-i18n.txt hint and pass +lang none to man in > order to get readable error messages. And, groff-1.19.2 doesn't have > the --enable-multibyte configure switch. Oops...yeah. Fortunately, configure doesn't complain about it. Thank you.
> And in fact I would strongly prefer a 8-line patch to Man to ignore > non-English manual pages completely (instead of unconfigured groff-utf8 and > hard-coded special-casing Japanese in Man-1.6f in a way that works only with > Debian-patched Groff), as it saves the editors from all the encoding > validation work. First, keep in mind that I am not proposing *all* of the changes for LFS, and especially not man. It is just my dabbling, but since I am doing it, I figured I'd share. What we have in LFS currently works well, assuming that the man pages are up to date. Following Debian, we have a good upstream source, so it should stay. That said, while I am not qualified to try and _translate_ any man pages, I think I have to agree with you regarding the quality of some of the translated pages. Take these for example (from a default install using the book in my home dir): [EMAIL PROTECTED] sources]# grep -r "Translated" /usr/share/man/ /usr/share/man/es/man1/su.1:.\"Translated 21 Jul 1998 by Javi Diaz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) /usr/share/man/es/man1/login.1:.\" Translated 17 sep. 1998 by Juan Jos� L�pez Mellado([EMAIL PROTECTED]) /usr/share/man/es/man1/passwd.1:.\" Translated 2 Dec 1998 by Victor Moral ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) /usr/share/man/es/man1/newgrp.1:.\" Translated 19 Sep 1998 by Juan Jos� L�pez Mellado /usr/share/man/es/man5/passwd.5:.\" Translated Tue Jul 23 11:06:10 1996 by Diego Novillo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) /usr/share/man/es/man8/vipw.8:.\" Translated into Spanish on Fri Aug 28 1998 by Gerardo Aburruzaga /usr/share/man/fi/man1/passwd.1:.\" Translated into Finnish by Tuomo Pyh�l� ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) /usr/share/man/fi/man1/chfn.1:.\" Translated into Finnish by Lauri Nurmi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) /usr/share/man/ja/man1/su.1:.\" Translated Fri Feb 14 23:06:00 JST 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man1/expiry.1:.\" Translated Sun 3 Mar 2002 by NAKANO Takeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /usr/share/man/ja/man1/passwd.1:.\" Translated Fri Feb 14 23:06:00 JST 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man1/chfn.1:.\" Translated Fri Feb 14 23:06:00 JST 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man1/chsh.1:.\" Translated Fri Feb 14 23:06:00 JST 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man1/gpasswd.1:.\" Translated Fri Feb 14 23:06:00 JST 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man1/newgrp.1:.\" Translated Fri Feb 14 23:06:00 JST 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man1/chage.1:.\" Translated Fri Feb 14 23:06:00 JST 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man5/passwd.5:.\" Translated Fri Feb 14 23:06:00 JST 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man5/porttime.5:.\" Translated Fri Feb 14 23:06:00 JST 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man5/login.access.5:.\" Translated Fri 14 Feb 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man5/login.defs.5:.\" Translated Fri Feb 14 23:06:00 JST 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man5/suauth.5:.\" Translated Fri 14 Feb 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man5/faillog.5:.\" Translated Fri Feb 14 23:06:00 JST 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man5/shadow.5:.\" Translated Fri Feb 14 23:06:00 JST 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man5/limits.5:.\" Translated Mon Nov 5 18:12:16 JST 2001 /usr/share/man/ja/man8/groupadd.8:.\" Translated Fri Feb 14 23:06:00 JST 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man8/groupdel.8:.\" Translated Fri Feb 14 23:06:00 JST 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man8/groupmod.8:.\" Translated Fri Feb 14 23:06:00 JST 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man8/chpasswd.8:.\" Translated Fri Feb 14 23:06:00 JST 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man8/newusers.8:.\" Translated Wed Nov 20 17:42:39 JST 1996 /usr/share/man/ja/man8/pwconv.8:.\" Translated Sat Dec 1 20:09:17 JST 2001 /usr/share/man/ja/man8/logoutd.8:.\" Translated Fri Feb 14 23:06:00 JST 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man8/pwck.8:.\" Translated Fri Feb 14 23:06:00 JST 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man8/grpck.8:.\" Translated Fri Feb 14 23:06:00 JST 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man8/vipw.8:.\" Translated Tue Oct 30 11:55:56 JST 2001 /usr/share/man/ja/man8/useradd.8:.\" Translated Wed Nov 20 17:42:39 JST 1996 /usr/share/man/ja/man8/userdel.8:.\" Translated Fri Feb 14 23:06:00 JST 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man8/usermod.8:.\" Translated Fri Feb 14 23:06:00 JST 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man8/lastlog.8:.\" Translated Fri Feb 14 23:06:00 JST 1997 /usr/share/man/ja/man8/faillog.8:.\" Translated Fri Feb 14 23:06:00 JST 1997 These are probably the worst cases, but I'm sure at least a few things have changed in the past decade or so. ;-) > This is rather trivial, as it involves only removing stuff > from the add_to_mandirlist() function (because of the check in > is_lang_page(), this also disables the Japanese special-case logic that > doesn't make sense with any modern groff). Remember: an English message (i.e, > error message or manpage) is infinitely better than an unreadable one. I'll add both that patch (from DIY) and the '+lang none' in the next incarnation. Thanks again. -- DJ Lucas -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content, and is believed to be clean. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
