It's clear that some people in the early/mid 20th C called it Shield's Hornpipe. Is there any evidence of this title from before 1900? >From before 1850?
You have to push the 'Shield's Hornpipe' title back to 1770, the first ghostly appearance of 'The Morpeth Rant' in Vickers' contents page, remember! So far as I know, the Shields title postdates Shields's death by a century. John ________________________________________ From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of Anthony Robb [anth...@robbpipes.com] Sent: 15 July 2011 08:12 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu; marga...@watchorn7.plus.com Subject: [NSP] Re: Shield's H'pipe Hello Margaret Thanks for that. I hear what you say re Jimmy but this is hardly an obscure tune and it seems strange that he would pluck that name out of the air as any other tune with that name is proving elusive. As for the version in question you can hear it here: [1]http://www.folknortheast.com/archive/detail.asp?id=P0010010 I do find the thing fascinating and realise there's bound to be some human conjecture here. I'm wondering now if it might be another case of the 'big dog' interpretation of La Grande Chaine. Which it turns out came from youthful imaginings at a Folkworks Durham Youth Summer School and was then aired by Eleanor Walker on the Session tunes site, but then John Armstrong of Carrick is a much less fanciful source. The matter of real importance and certainty, of course, is that it has survived in various forms and is a cracking tune. Anthony --- On Thu, 14/7/11, Margaret Watchorn <marga...@watchorn7.plus.com> wrote: From: Margaret Watchorn <marga...@watchorn7.plus.com> Subject: [NSP] Re: Shield's H'pipe To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Thursday, 14 July, 2011, 22:51 I spent some time with John Armstrong c.1979/1980 playing tunes and going through his wonderful piles of mss. He was very kind and encouraging to a (then) young piper, and passed on some invaluable insights into how he played and what he thought about tunes. Unfortunately I don't have any record of playing the Morpeth Rant with him. I do remember that John was sometimes unsure of a tune from its title, but once the first notes were played, he knew exactly what it was. Similarly, the question 'How does it gan?' that Jimmy Little often asked when playing with Dishalagie was followed by an instant recall of the tune once it started. Best wishes Margaret -----Original Message----- From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Matt Seattle Sent: 14 July 2011 22:04 To: Dartmouth NPS Subject: [NSP] Re: Shield's H'pipe To make it absolutely clear, it was not I who attached the name Shield's to the soundclip. Whether the source - JA of C - gave it that title, I don't know. This is not impossible given the Clough connection. The FARNE Core Tunes article on Morpeth Rant (not my work) also gives the Shield attribution. On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Gibbons, John <[1][4]j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk> wrote: But isn't Matt just quoting the Cloughs' title there? Beware of secondary sources, in other words - they don't corroborate where they are drawn from. A citation of 'The Morpeth Rant' (new or old) from anyone but the Cloughs, with the Shields' title, from pre-1900 would be interesting - one from anywhere near as far back as 1770, when 'The Morpeth Rant' made its first virtual appearance, would be astonishing. John -- References 1. mailto:[5]j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.folknortheast.com/archive/detail.asp?id=P0010010 2. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk 5. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
