Hej Olli! > i think, sebastian makes a good job - BUT - qooxdoo could be more that > it actually is. if there is only one person who is the boss and this > person has not as much time as he should have - then it is a > disadvantege to qooxdoo.
This is what it is all about. > only a view questions: > i thought, there should be a datetime - picker - where is it? There has been developed an interface to an already existing one. The one I have developed I have not released fully yet and the reason is the complexity involved with different calendars and localisation. I will release the localisation classes today and after that it will be much easier to implement the rest of the date picker in a Qooxdoo way. > i thought, there is a Datagrid with horizontal scrolling - where is > it? I have never heard of. Who is developing it? I would be very happy if someone would do that! > why isn't the split-pane a real part of qooxdoo? The burden is on the shoulders of Sebastian. He should look at it but nothing has happened during 5 weeks. He has too much to do! > what about the progressbars? Been two alternatives developed. I think it would be easy to merge or choose one of them as a good solution. Still on Sebastian's desk. He has not time! > where is the wiki (there was one - but no one is using it) It has been proposed, but Sebastian has not even answered the proposal from an interested user/developer. When no support, nothing will happen... On Sebastian's shoulders too! > where is the bugtracker (same as wiki) The same as the previous item. > sebastian alone has not enough power to handle this all (in my > oppinion he is doing as much as he can. but he only has 2 arms and > only 8-10 hours a day) Definitively, and it is very good in a technical manner and service is excellent when he is here, but managewise there might be doubts. > i think it is our part to do as much as we can to help sebastian and > his part is to ACCEPT the help. That is exactly what has been proposed. > i had a idea how to make the best out of both world's. my idea > combines a "core" - qooxdoo -> sebastian can manage on his own and a > "contributed" - qooxdoo we all can participate. if sebastian then > decide to move a widget from "contributed" to "core" he can do this > and my "magic" (the idea i had) managed this transparent, so that dhe > developer using qooxdoo has not to think about. The first alpha of > this idea is working without problems and i had send this to sebastian > so that he can think about it. I am glad to hear that you propose this constructive and necessary action. I tried about the same idea with Sebastian before, but it was totally rejected. I like your way of approaching it. It is very good, because then there will be a pressure in both directions, on Sebastian and the contributors, to present the best solution. I guess that will give result. > i know sebastian has actually no time to answer so i wait til he has. I guess that is the reality. > if sebastian hasn't enough time to contribute the idea - kent (or > anybody else outh there) can you write Shell scripts working under > cygwin (i can't and this is needed) I think I can help this off the blocks and I hope that a few other developers will help to get it done. Kent > Olli > > > > Kent Olsson schrieb: > > Dear Izaak, > > > > > > > Kent, there was nothing in your complaint for me to even quote. > > > > > > > It was not a complaint! If you do not want to quote, why do you even > > bother commenting? I would appreciate a polite discussion. > > > > > > > You talk > > > about users off-list who have complained, but about what? You talk about > > > problems in the last 3-4 months, what were they? > > > > > > > I know about 8 developers given up the project for different reasons > > related to what I am trying to improve. I also know of 9 existing users > > not really fully satisfied the way the project has been managed so far. > > > > I cite what they said... > > 1. not letting people in > > 2. not showing respect for their additions > > 3. attitude in discussion > > 4. misunderstandings not cleared out > > 5. difficult to contribute > > 6. do not feel welcome to contribute > > 7. long response times > > > > > > > The question: > > > Is qooxdoo's development stunted by Sebastian's tight control? > > > > > > > Yes, definitively. That is the whole issue. If a project is a one-man > > show the risk is extremely high that it will fail. Look at the last 2 > > weeks. He has been busy with other things. What happens if serious > > things happen to him or his family? You never know what is behind the > > next corner. Nothing of this I hope will happen, but who is going to > > take on his spirit? What about all the guys who have been working with > > the library and spent a lot of hours working with it? You have to > > realise that this is life and not a one-man show, even though you might > > have an idealistic view. It might be as long as it works, but if it does > > not.... > > > > > > > I've seen the community do some really good testing and bug reporting on > > > this mailing list. However I haven't seen any large contributions, and > > > not > > > a single one that improves qooxdoo's core functionality. > > > > > > > You address the problem! > > > > Exactly. Who wants to contribute if it is not taken seriously. You do > > not think a SplitPane is worthwhile? > > > > I think you should show more respect for the work of the contributing > > people. What you say is that the contributors like me, Streifert, Ricks, > > Björn and Vogel and all the others is not even worthwhile. > > > > Your statement does not stimulate people to contribute! Why not find a > > positive attitude in this? > > > > The only thing I am trying to do is to point at consolidation what has > > been done and secure its future development, because first then it is > > possible to use it professionally. > > > > > > > It's also very > > > hard to match qooxdoo's quality of code, to the point where you must > > > almost invest a similar amount of energy as Sebastian and his company in > > > order for your contribution to be worth considering. What does this mean > > > for us users? We're getting a lot more of a 'professional' toolkit than > > > we > > > paid for!! :) > > > > > > > I think personally you are wrong. Sebastians et al work has been > > fantastic. Rome was not built on one day and not by one person. Do we > > really want only passive users sitting down and waiting for the team of > > Sebastian? I certainly do not want that, because the risk of using the > > library will be too high. It is not a question about paying...sigh! It > > is a question about doing something! > > > > > > > Sebastian has been doing all he can to attract more developers, but > > > there's nothing he can do until they show up. Have patience in this > > > respect and the project will grow organically. > > > > > > > I do not agree on this point. If you do not stimulate people to > > contribute, the work will never be done as fast. Even worse if you > > reject people's efforts... > > > > > > > If you're dissatisfied but you don't have time to do something as large > > > as > > > rewriting qooxdoo's layout engine (snicker), qooxdoo would benefit most > > > from some advocacy. Write articles to AJAX development publications. > > > Write > > > a wikipedia entry. Show off your qooxdoo projects. > > > > > > > I have. Did you? > > > > You seem to have strong opinions in this area. Again, I only try to > > consolidate the efforts and investment in a better way as it has been > > done so far. > > > > Referring to your contributions, we are all welcome. Why don't you post > > your code so we will see it at least in the contributed folder? It would > > be very much appreciated, instead letting this only be a speech. > > > > > > > What qooxdoo needs is more quality developers, not looser QA. > > > > > > > What is this? No comment! It has no space in this discussion. > > > > Kent > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting > > > language > > > that extends applications into web and mobile media. 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