[CTRL] Masonic Facility to Repay Medicaid
-Caveat Lector- Masonic facility to repay Medicaid By KEN DIXON Aug. 17 - HARTFORD -- One of the state's largest health providers improperly billed the state for $12 million over nine years in Connecticut's largest case of Medicaid negligence, Attorney General Richard Blumenthal charged Thursday. But the president and CEO of the company, Masonicare of Wallingford, said fraud was not an issue and there were no allegations of substandard care in its 548-bed geriatric, acute-care and psychiatric complex. Masonicare is an affiliate of the Ancient Free Accepted Masons of Connecticut. Blumenthal, however, said there was evidence of widespread malfeasance and has referred the case to state and federal authorities for possible criminal charges. In this Medicaid abuse case, they literally threw everything, including the kitchen sink, into their wrongful claim report, when they asked for reimbursement of apartment renovations, Blumenthal said during a morning news conference. It certainly was abusive, improper and probably fraudulent in many respects. The nonprofit Masonic Geriatric Healthcare Center of Wallingford improperly claimed about $12 million in state Medicaid funds administered by the state Department of Social Services. About $3 million in property improvements and renovations should never have been part of the reimbursement requests, according to Blumenthal and the DSS From July 1992 through June of this year, DSS made about $11 million in payments that were either prohibited by Medicaid or should have been reimbursed under other programs. Deputy DSS Commissioner Michael Starkowski said, It remains among our highest priorities to ensure the integrity of state-funded health-care payments to facilities charged with caring for our most vulnerable populations. Today's settlement, which represents almost $12 million in restitution for wrongly expended state funds, not only acknowledges that we will catch abusive and negligent practices, but it's worth the effort. Under the settlement, MGHC will return the $10,886,000 in Medicaid overpayments and pay an additional $1,014,000 for costs associated with the inquiry conducted by the Attorney General's Office and DSS. The Wallingford complex also will have to establish a corporate integrity program in cooperation with the state's Medical Assistance Program. In a statement issued Thursday, Barry M. Spero, Masonicare's president and CEO, said the company has taken steps to ensure all future cost reporting meets complex state regulations. He admitted that the firm takes full responsibility for any errors that may have been made. Spero indicated that with the company's rapid expansion into a variety of services, from cemeteries to psychiatric care, staff administrators may have been overwhelmed. We know through our own internal review and the state's audit that although Masonicare's delivery of care was of the highest standards, our business and information systems were not able to keep pace, Spero said. The company has hired a new financial staff, purchased a new computer system and hired consultants to oversee future integrity, he said. Blumenthal said that, over the last four years, state Medicaid fraud investigators have succeeded in retrieving about $33 million in payments from a variety of state contractors. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The Destruction of America - Part I
-Caveat Lector- June come out of hiding for now we have you lurking on Conspirinoia using what name perhaps Definitely not Max... The Bnai Brith would be more to your liking June right? Not particularly... Then toss in the ADL for you make such a good censor for thembut never tell me you are Irish unless you would be like Broscoe - Jewish Irish perhaps? Nope, Orange Irish. My father and his parents made it a point to wear orange every St. Pat's day. Along with the family Scottish tartan... OTOH, to this very day some of my mother's Dutch relatives will never wear orange or buy an object that is orange... And if you don't understand why, I suggest you go back and study your history, specifically the William Mary period... If there's any Jewish ancestry it would be on my mother's Hungarian side, because no one spoke much about the history of that family; my mother was Catholic, as was her mother and her grandmother, but that is as far back as we can go, and who knows, perhaps somewhere along the line the Hungarian ancestors were forced to convert from Judaism... June ;-) - --- * Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno com for: * * Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) * Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) - ---Original Message--- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] To die for.
-Caveat Lector- Nude female soldiers new 'Zionist' weapon This IS a Monty Python sketch, isn't it? Or perhaps an old Benny Hill routine? June ;-) - --- * Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno com for: * * Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) * Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) -- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: THE LAST WORDS OF
-Caveat Lector- Be sure to buy shoes for June. [snip] Junie needs a new pair of shoes. As much as I needed a new pair of shoes, I wish to go on record that I never got them. No shoes that ever resided in New Orleans or visited the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City. No sleazy Dallas-strip-joint shoes. No doctored image of shoes on the cover of Newsweek and Time. No 'magic shoes', no 'double shoes', no second pair of shoes on the Grassy Knoll... June (aka Junie) ;-) - --- * Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno com for: * * Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) * Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) -- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Abortion Cams Coming to A Station Near You
-Caveat Lector- Try doing that, and you'll soon find yourself running afoul of privacy laws in many jurisdictions... Curious; how do such laws apply to people walking into a business establishment from a public street? Remember Tampa's camera defense? Presumably, people walking on a public street have no reasonable expectation of privacy. :-) A public street is just that -- PUBLIC. One can't expect complete privacy when out in PUBLIC. A place of business is a PRIVATE establishment, according to the law... Someone walking on a public street leading to an abortion clinic could be legally videotaped or filmed...but as soon as they step onto or into private property -- such as the property of the abortion clinic -- they could NOT be videotaped or filmed without their express permission. Same thing applies if someone drives into an abortion clinic's parking lot, which is private property, and never steps into the street but instead exits their vehicle, crosses the parking lot to the clinic and enters...it would be against the law to videotape or film such people without their express permission to do so... Who's paying for the webcams, and the rent for wherever these webcams will be set up... From what I gathered going to the website (an unpleasant experience to say the least), such footage is obtained through/by volunteers. But where are these volunteers and their cameras stationed? If they are outside the clinic, they are trespassing on private property. If they are out on the public sidewalk or street, they are loitering. If they have set themselves up in an adjacent building and are shooting footage out of a window, who is paying the rent? Passers by either on foot or by car? Then they would not be able to constantly videotape or film the people going into and leaving the clinic. Sidewalks across the street? Then they are loiterers... else they could be easily removed as it would be an issue of trespassing on private property. Only if charges were raised by property owners. If they are on the clinic's property, one assumes that the clinic wouldn't hesitate to press charges. One also suspects that every other business in the adjacent vacinity wouldn't hesitate to press charges against such obnoxious trespassers, also... I could set up a webcam pointing into Gary Condit's bedroom and argue that I m doing so for political reasons and argue First Amendment rights...but the fact is, I'd be violating Condit's right to privacy, a right that has been upheld in the courts. Yes, for private citizens. From what I understand, the line between public figure and private citizen is a blurry one at best. But a public figure still has a reasonable right to privacy in most cases. I couldn't set a webcam up in every toilet in the White House and argue that I have a First Amendment right to do so because George W. Bush is a 'public figure'... And what is being done with this anti-choice webcam is NOT involving public figures, but private citizens... June - --- * Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno com for: * * Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) * Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) -- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Abortion Cams Coming to A Station Near You
-Caveat Lector- A public street is just that -- PUBLIC. One can't expect complete privacy when out in PUBLIC. Precisely, but the cameras in question are aimed at people on public streets. No they're not. People walking on a public street are of absolutely no interest to these people. They wish to take pictures of people entering and leaving a PRIVATE BUSINESS Once the targeted individuals enter the threshold of the establishment at issue, the camera does not follow. It doesn't matter if the person has entered the threshold of the establishment...as soon as they leave the public street or public sidewalk and drive into the private parking lot or set foot on the private walkway leading to the door of the private building, they are on private property even though they are outside and can be seen from the public street... You can sit out on the front porch of your house, and just because you can be seen by those who are on the public road or public sidewalk, it does NOT give someone the right to videotape, film, or take a snapshot of you without your express permission...especially if the person who is capturing your image plans to put that image up for public display and viewing... A place of business is a PRIVATE establishment, according to the law... Correct, and said camera persons do not enter the establishment. But they are still capturing the images of people entering and leaving the building, which means they are capturing the images of people who are on PRIVATE PROPERTY, not out on the public street or sidewalk. They electronically monitor the comings and goings of persons onto and off of a public street at a specified location--according to the forward anyway It is very unlikely that the abortion clinic has a doorway opening immediately out onto a public street or sidewalk; I don't know any such building that isn't set off the sidewalk by at least a few feet; as soon as anyone steps off of the public sidewalk to enter the building, they are on private property, even if that property is only a foot long... I also doubt that everyone going into the abortion clinic took public transportation, so in all likelihood the majority of people who are having their images captured DROVE there and parked in a PRIVATE parking lot on PRIVATE property, and walked on PRIVATE property to get to the door of the PRIVATE building. Same thing applies if someone drives into an abortion clinic's parking lot, which is private property, Not always, but point taken. It's the same thing as walking on the same street...no one driving on a public street has a reason to expect complete privacy. Someone driving on that street could have their image captured with no violation of any law. But as soon as that vehicle turns into a private parking lot it is on private property and the person can't have their image captured without their express permission being given... But where are these volunteers and their cameras stationed? If they are outside the clinic, they are trespassing on private property. Define outside. I meant 'immediately outside', meaning they're standing on the clinic's property right at the door or at a window... If they are out on the public sidewalk or street, they are loitering. Presumably only if they are caught Loitering is loitering, whether one is caught at it or not. That's like saying a robber isn't a thief if he isn't caught...loitering is against the law in most municipalities or if an issue is made of their presence. One would assume the clinic would do so... If I were the clinic I'd turn the tables on the antichoice nuts and start videotaping THEM...at least to provide evidence to the authorities of loitering, and/or trespassing, and/or violations of local privacy laws. If I was the clinic, I'd also put up my own website showing the images of these terroristsand since the terrorists are either loitering on a PUBLIC street or sidewalk, or trespassing on the clinic's property, the clinic wouldn't be violating and privacy laws by making those images available for the public to see on the Internet... If they are on the clinic's property, one assumes that the clinic wouldn't hesitate to press charges. Agreed. Hence the best solution to the issue in general: place such clinics within larger buildings which have functions other than the specific purpose of providing abortions (hospitals, shopping malls, etc.). Actually shopping malls wouldn't work, because courts have ruled that shopping malls are considered 'public places', having replaced the village green as a central meeting pointso legally one would have no problem capturing the images of anyone entering or leaving an abortion clinic that was located in a mall... And due to insurance concerns -- because of these terrorists going beyond peaceful protest to bombings and shootings -- no mall owner would ever allow an abortion clinic to rent space in the mall... But a public figure still has a
Re: [CTRL] Abortion Cams Coming to A Station Near You
-Caveat Lector- Emboldened by a recent federal appeals court ruling granting broad First Amendment protection for menacing political speech on the Internet, Which is NOT the same thing as displaying video images taken without the permission of the people shown in those videos. Try doing that, and you'll soon find yourself running afoul of privacy laws in many jurisdictions...and since this is planned for the Internet, a person shown on one of these webcams could probably successfully sue for violation of privacy even if no law addressing Internet and/or video peeping Toms exists in the victim's own jurisdiction...the very nature of the Internet means that it IS available in jurisdictions where such anti-electronic-peeping-Tom laws DO exist... anti-abortion activist has launched Abortioncams.com, a site displaying photographs and video footage of patients, doctors and employees entering and leaving abortion clinics in 21 states. Whose paying for the webcams, and the rent for wherever these webcams will be set up...presumably these cams will NOT be set up directly ON the abortion clinic property, else they could be easily removed as it would be an issue of trespassing on private property. Four legal experts Who are not named... say the site is probably protected under the First Amendment. Bullshit. It violates privacy. I could set up a webcam pointing into Gary Condit's bedroom and argue that I m doing so for political reasons and argue First Amendment rights...but the fact is, I'd be violating Condit's right to privacy, a right that has been upheld in the courts. June ;-) - --- * Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno com for: * * Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) * Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) -- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NYDN: Condit Attacks Calls to Resign
-Caveat Lector- This guy's audacity just keeps blowing me away! This sick pup is a REAL piece of...work! I couldn't believe it last week when his supporters held a rally showing their support, including having his minister father speaking to the media about what a swell guy is son is Where is their support for the Levy family? I just thought it was incredibly bad taste for them to hold that rally, and none of them are showing the least compassion or concern for Chandra Levy or her family. WASHINGTON - Rep. Gary Condit lashed out yesterday after the two biggest papers in his home district - the Modesto Bee and the Fresno Bee - called on him to resign. Sounds like we might begin to see that infamous temper of his... My 30 years in public service should have earned me that much consideration, he said. The Bee's conclusion, that my refusal to publicly disclose details of this case is a violation of the public trust, is an unfortunate misunderstanding of the difference between my cooperation with the police and my unwillingness to give in to media demands that I immediately bear all parts of my and my family's private life. Oh, I don't know...seems like if PUBLIC servants start using PUBLIC funds to transport their paramours hither and yon or to buy them gifts, it stops being a 'private life' and becomes a matter of public interest and deserved scrutiny June ;-) - --- * Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno com for: * * Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) * Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) -- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CNN: Statement by Condit regarding the Modesto Bee editorial
-Caveat Lector- Hells Angels if this be true he rode with them, introduced into this stylish group by his chauffer the Angels run drugs, Yes, but they rarely USE drugs, other than to smoke the occasional joint or snort an occasional line of cocaine... They may gladly provide drugs to addicts, but don't tolerate hardcore addicts amongst their own ranks... If Condit does drugs, I suspect it's probably a combination of weed, cocaine and Ecstacy, rather than hardcore stuff like heroin Further the security camera tapes? Why bother to have them if you do not save the tapes for at least a six month period or even up to a year - why bother? Having worked as a security guard in the past, I can answer that question with some degree of knowledge... You're lucky they even have the ability to tape...most places just go with the video camera, and think the security guard never takes his or her eyes off of the monitor for the whole 8-hour shift... The reason the tapes aren't held longer is due to lack of funds...most clients don't want to pay for 60-days worth of tape (tapes capable of holding 24-hour's worth of monitoring are quite expensive). The only reason they do the taping anyway is more a CYA on the owner's part, and not particularly for the benefit of the residents of the facility. The tape is there so that if someone come to Security and says When I left to go to work this morning, I found that my car had been vandalized... The tape is available for playback to see if any suspects are shown; if they are, then the tape is saved for the police; if not, then the tape is recycled. The usual recycle schedule is 7 days...so last Thursday's tape will be recorded over when the tape is recycled this coming Thursday. The thought is that if nothing is reported within 7 days, then it's the fault of the people to whom something occured for not reporting it right away... Of course, this puts tenants of the building who may have been away on a 2-week vacation at a disadvantage if their apartment was broken into and they were robbed 2 days after they left on their trip... In the case of Chandra Levy, though, her parents called the landlord that Friday, expressing their concerns regarding their daughter...the landlord may have begged off actually entering the apartment due to whatever laws there may be in DC regulating when landlords can enter apartments of their tenants (but it seems to me that in any jurisdiction a landlord has the right to enter in emergency situations)...but there is no excuse for not pulling the security tapes from Sunday thru Friday and playing them back to see what they showed... And indeed, when the story first broke, it was said that the security tapes showed nothing...not that they were recorded over before anyone took a look at them. I find it real hard to believe that the landlord did not take a look at the tapes for the previous week immediately after the Levy's phonecall to him alerting him that they thought something had happened to their daughter... Did Chandra have any laundry facilities in her own apartment or did she share in a laundry room - did she have any storage areas and when were dumpsters emptied? Good questions. Usually in such apartments there are not laundry facilities in each apartment, usually there are either absolutely NO laundry facilities on the premise, and the tenants have to go to a commercial laundromat or cleaners, or sneak an 'illegal' washing machine into their apartment. A second common set up is to have one central laundry facility, either on the ground floor or in the basement, if there is one. Occasionally one finds higher-scale buildings with laundry rooms on each floor, but again it is a public' facility in that all tenants on that floor use it. Rarely do apartment complexes allow individual tenants to have a washing machine in their apartment, especially if the tenant doesn't have to pay for hot water on their own, but instead has it included in the rent. Even if the tenant pays for their own hot water, most landlords would rather not have to risk damage to the apartment (and possibly the one below it) if something went wrong with the washing machine and it overflowed...and then there's the issue of clothes dryers... In a city apartment complex such as Levy lived in, there wouldn't have been the option to hang wet clothes outside to dry...a clothes dryer would be a necessity if one used a washing machine... And most landlords don't want to go to the expense of building a clothes dryer venting system for each apartment...and if there isn't one, it's a fire hazard to operate a clothes dryer in such a manner. So that is all the more reason that if they DO allow laundry to be done on the premises, that landlords design a central laundry facility rather than allow tenants to do laundry in their own apartments... June ;-) -
Re: [CTRL] LSD, Sex And Psychics
-Caveat Lector- It was at this time that the CIA turned to LSD-25, a derivative of lysergic acid. LSD was a hallucinogen which they knew almost nothing about. They looked at the first published study of LSD which was presented to the Swiss Archives of Neurology in 1947. The CIA also knew that in 1951 hundreds of respectable citizens in a small French village went completely berserk one evening and jumped out of their windows into the Rhone River. Others ran through the streets claiming that they were being chased by lions and tigers. A couple of years ago I happened across a very old paperback (yellowed and falling apart) in a used-book bookstore that was about this outbreak in this French village in 1951, and the above description is not quite accurate. While many people DID succumb in varying degrees to the ergot that was in the tainted flour, only a dozen or so cases could be described as 'extreme' cases resulting in the unsuspecting victims going 'beserk' and thinking they were being chased by ravenous beasts or monsters (in fact I believe that one victim actually believed that he had TURNED INTO a tiger, not that a tiger was chasing him); and only one person jumped out of a window and died, another jumped into a river and drowned. A couple of other victims actually died from ergot poisoning. So all in all, while perhaps about 100 people were unwitting ingestors of ergot, only a handful had 'extreme' symptoms, and about 5 people died, 2 of them by jumping from heights (it is not known if they deliberately committed suicide, or jumped to escape some sort of hallucination)... It definitely was NOT 'hundreds' of citizens, respectable or otherwise, who fell victim to the ergot poisoning, which was caused when the local baker had to accept delivery of flour from a supplier he didn't usually patronize, as his usual supplier for some reason was unavailable that day. That region of France had experienced unusually wet weather since the wheat harvest the previous fall, and this incident happened in late spring or early summer, before the new crop was ready to be harvested...which meant that the silos holding the previous season's wheat were pretty low, and what was left was old wheat that had become infected with ergot due to the unusually wet weather since the previous autumn... This was a very rural area in southern France, so there wasn't a large population to infect, and not everyone in the area patronized this particular baker; therefore some residents never got infected, either having gotten their daily bread (and in France, people DO buy fresh bread every day) elsewhere, or deciding to do without on that day. The people who DID buy the bread from the baker with the infected flour ended up getting their bread much later than usual, because of the delivery problem the baker had experienced. So only a few residents had that baker's bread for the noon meal, and those are the people who first exhibited symptoms by mid-afternoon. The rest of the victims first ate the bread at the evening meal; whether most didn't eat much of the bread (it was described as looking grey and 'tasting funny', probably due to the mold infecting the flour) or whether some people for some reason had more of an ability to tolerate the ergot, most people who ate the bread experienced no symptoms, or complained of a slight headache and feeling a little queasy. Most people went to bed, slept throughout the night, and awoke in the morning no worse for wear...only to start hearing stories out on the street about how strange certain people in town had been acting since late the day before... Probably some loaves of the infected bread had more ergot in it than others -- just a crapshoot of where the infected grains of wheat ended up in the bread batter -- which also explains why some people could eat the bread and exhibit little or no symptoms... The townspeople almost lynched the baker in question, but when it was found out that he was unsuspecting in the matter, their wrath turned to the operators of the grain silo where the wheat had come from...and I believe they and the French government ended up successfully suing the owners. It IS correct that the CIA, and other spook organizations in other countries took much interest in the events that occured in this village, as little was known about what effects LSD (which is derived from the ergot compounds) had on the human psyche June ;-) - --- * Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno com for: * * Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) * Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere)
Re: [CTRL] Witness against Skakel ODs
-Caveat Lector- ---Original Message--- From: Samantha L. That's an idiotic explanation. Fuck you, June. Samantha I rest my case. ;-) June - --- * Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno com for: * * Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) * Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) -- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Witness against Skakel ODs
-Caveat Lector- All I can say is: convenient... ÿÿ Witness against Skakel overdoses ASSOCIATED PRESS Aug. 9 - GREENWICH -- A key witness in the murder case against Kennedy nephew Michael Skakel died Tuesday in Rochester, N.Y., of an apparent drug overdose, police said Wednesday. Gregory Coleman, who attended a substance abuse program in Maine with Skakel was found dead Tuesday morning in the driveway of a home, said Rochester Police Lt. Jeff Clark. Coleman testified that Skakel once told him: I'm gonna get away with murder. I'm a Kennedy. But Coleman, 39, also admitted during a hearing in April that he was under the influence of heroin when he testified before a one-judge grand jury. Fairfield State's Attorney Jonathan Benedict said he would still prosecute the case without batting an eyelash. He said he would submit for evidence a transcript of Coleman's testimony from pretrial hearings. It is a tragedy. He was an engaging individual, Benedict said. The state had been expected to rely heavily on Coleman's testimony that Skakel admitted killing 15-year-old Martha Moxley in 1975. Dorthy Moxley, Martha's mother, said there are other witnesses -- some of them only recently located -- who can support Coleman's allegation that Skakel confessed. I thought he was close to a hero for coming forward, Dorthy Moxley said of Coleman. I don't think it mattered if he was on drugs. Skakel, 40, is the son of Rushton Skakel, the brother of Robert F. Kennedy's widow, Ethel. Clark said Coleman was the sixth of seven area drug addicts to die under similar circumstances in the last week. We believe they may be related, he said. We are looking at it as a possible drug overdose. We don't have any evidence to suggest the drugs are tainted right now. That's going to take toxicology tests to determine. Skakel's defense lawyer, Michael Sherman, called the death not terribly surprising. He said Skakel, who has had his own struggles with addiction, looks upon Coleman's death as a very sad event. Prosecutors could not immediately be reached for comment Wednesday evening. Phone calls to the home of Fairfield County State's Attorney Jonathan Benedict went unanswered. The state had been expected to rely heavily on Coleman's testimony that Skakel admitted killing 15-year-old Martha Moxley in 1975. Moxley was beaten to death with a golf club that matched a set owned by the Skakels, who lived nearby in the exclusive Belle Haven neighborhood of Greenwich. Skakel was also 15 at the time. Several years later, Coleman and Skakel were classmates at the Elan School in Poland Spring, Maine. Coleman and another former student have testified in pretrial proceedings that Skakel admitted killing Moxley the night of Oct. 30, 1975. No arrests were made for more than 24 years. Skakel was charged in the killing in January 2000 and later arraigned as a juvenile. A juvenile court judge ruled in January that Skakel should be tried as an adult and found that reasonable cause existed to try Skakel. A second hearing was required after the case was transferred to adult court. It was during that proceeding that Coleman stunned the courtroom by admitting he had been high when he testified to the grand jury. Sherman had asked Coleman why he told the grand jury Skakel discussed the murder five or six times but later said it was only one or two times. I was on drugs when I came before the grand jury, Coleman answered. Coleman also testified that he used crack cocaine and heroin before a television interview on the case in Rochester. Are you on drugs now? Sherman asked. No, Coleman replied. Give me a urine test, he added. No thanks, Sherman said, drawing laughter from the courtroom but a reprimand from the judge. Coleman went on to describe his own life filled with alcoholism, drug addiction, a criminal record and homelessness, at times living under a bridge. Another former classmate, John Higgins, testified that Skakel told him of the killing during a tearful confession on the front porch of a dormitory while the two served as night guards. He related to me at some point prior to being there, there was a murder and that he was somehow involved in it, Higgins said. He described a drawn-out confession in which Skakel initially said he did not know if he committed the murder. He eventually stated that I must have done it' and eventually stated I did it,' Higgins said. But Higgins admitted he lied to investigators when they first asked him about the alleged confession. He also admitted asking about a $50,000 reward in the case. Two other Elan students testified for the defense that they never heard Skakel confess. Joseph Ricci, the founder of the Elan School, had also insisted that Skakel never made any admissions while a student there. Ricci, who testified before the grand
Re: [CTRL] Is This Why Bill Clinton May Have Been Asked to Leave Oxford
-Caveat Lector- From: Prudence L. Kuhn Well Saba, I keep wondering if there are any laws in any states (as there are in military law) that are flat against adultery. I believe the District of Columbia still has anti-adultery laws on the statutes, as do many states. But both Monica Lewinsky and Chandra Levy did not commit adultery, as they are not married; they committed fornication, if we are to get Biblical about things. Only their married partners committed adultery, and would be liable under any anti-adultery law. June ;-) - --- * Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno com for: * * Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) * Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) -- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Lawyers May Reveal Secrets of Clients, Bar Group Rules
-Caveat Lector- From: Aleisha Saba 'When I read this I thought of Gary Condit stopping a story re intellectual property rights Actually, it wasn't a story but an item of what can be loosely defined as art'...it was on sale on Ebay, and consisted of what looked to be pictures and words cut out of various tabloids (the pictures consisted of Levy, Condit, and an ax placed prominently next to Condit), pasted onto some sort of background and some very bright red paint or ink splashed between the pasted on cutouts... Condit's people succeeded in getting Ebay to pull the item from auction, claiming that the item violated Condit's intellectual property rights... A claim that has to be based solely on the sole image of Condit included in the piece of 'art' (unless Condit is claiming either the ax, or the red paint/ink, are somehow his intellectual property rights)...if so, then every tabloid in the nation that has his picture in it, and every news show that runs a clip of him, must also be violating his 'intellectual property rights'... so he must be going to write a book, and Chandra if she is still alive, is out there writing a book No, Condit must be considering moonlighting as an 'artiste', and perhaps wishes to market his own line of axes and/or red paint/ink... Perhaps he's copyrighted that particular shade of red ;-) June ;-) - --- * Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno com for: * * Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) * Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) -- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Green Beret
-Caveat Lector- From: thew bill is much loved in Harlem actually, try watching the news, rather than divining it psychically Actually I do watch the news...local NYC news as a matter of fact, which shows that the Clintons are not as universally (or 'city-ly') loved as the national news outlets (and the Clintons' own press releases) would have you believe... And no, Harlemites as a group do NOT embrace Bill Clinton within their midst and many recognize the grandstanding for what it is... June ;-) - --- * Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno com for: * * Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) * Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) -- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sorry Wrong Party
-Caveat Lector- From: Tenorlove Aleisha, forward the offending email, with full headers, to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or .net whichever it is. postmaster is almost always a valid account at most ISPs, so in Aleisha's case she could also forward the offensive email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a complaint, and she should get a valid response... June - --- * Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno com for: * * Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) * Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) -- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Feds back off anonymous tip on Levy
-Caveat Lector- From: Aleisha Saba Ordinary street crimes usually produce a body; someone has taken great pain to dispose of this body - unless Chandra will return with severe case of anemia. I think you mean 'amnesia', dear... Of course, if Levy was cut up, then she would have a severe -- some would say terminal -- case of anemia... Facts remain the same - Condit lied, and due to delay tapes were destroyed where security would have shown her coming in and going out. Now the word is the security tapes at her apartment complex were recycled and recorded over...and yet when this story first broke, I clearly remember it being reported that the security tapes at her apartment building had been scrutinized and did not show anyone arriving that Levy may have let into the building, neither did it show Levy leaving the building. That was one of the big mysteries that much was made of at the beginning, the fact that the security tapes did not show anyone arriving or leaving... The story of 'the tapes were recycled and recorded over' has only been floated the past couple of days... Facts - a missing check one would think it would have been in her billfold or purse, with credit cards but this check never turned up in the amount of $54.00 written by the Aunt. Unusual sum for a birthday present. For once we agree. Most people, when writing a check to give as a present, write out a round number...the $54 figure seems to imply it was for some specific purpose, not just a generic 'birthday gift'...I mean, if Chandra needed $54 for a specific purpose, why not write out a check for, say, $60 or $75 or $100? Let her cash the check, pay the $54 for whatever need, and keep the change as her 'present'? Was the check ever really written? It has not been returned to the bank. Perhaps it was used to pay for whatever it was that Chandra needed $54 for.. It seems as if it may have been for something that was priced at $50, and the $4 was an additional fee...for what? A service fee? Sales tax? $4 is 8 percent of $50...anyone know what the sales tax is in DC? What would $50 plus $4 for tax buy her? A bus ticket? Story re Chandra and Mrs. Condit false - for without a doubt Chandra had been given good reason to fear Condit. She didn't seem very fearful of him in mid-April; and the fact remains, Mrs. Condit called her husband's apartment around that time -- when Chandra was staying there -- and spent 10 minutes talking to SOMEONE who couldn't have been her husband, as Gary Condit has been placed without a doubt elsewhere at the time... What was Chandra's job? As one person put it she worked as intern instead of writing dissertation? Usually dissertations are written by those going for Ph.D. She was a little more than a lowly file clerk or computer operator Fact is, that's what most internships ARE...even for college students interning in the private business sector. Interns do NOT get glamorous positions, they get the dirtiest grunt work. Chandra was not that pretty compared to most girls.maybe they were an equal match thereCondit's wife from the photo shown, was a beautiful woman - blonde and beautiful yet Condit hides here away as one does someone who doesn't use the right fork at a table. Perhaps that is by Mrs. Condit's own choice...considering her husband's sexual proclivities, she perhaps preferred to be left behind in California and let her husband pursue his desires with whomever he wished in DC...but I imagine she drew the line at him actually considering divorcing her, as she would then lose the prestige and social status of being a congressman's wife . Just a thought...why has Condit hidden his beautiful wife? Will he use her for other reasons? Did they meet under similar circumstances? They met in highschool... I'd like to find out more about Carolyn Condit's family, and what connections they may have... June - Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) -- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary
[CTRL] Waterbury (CT) Mayor Faces Sex Charges
-Caveat Lector- According to one of the local TV news stations, 2 of the minors are sisters, ages 9 and 11 Just goes to show you what happens when these heterosexuals, always pushing their heterosexual agenda, are put into positions of authority where they have access to children... A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Condit submits to fourth interview
-Caveat Lector- From: Aleisha Saba Now the trend is to blame Condit's wife.yet I do not see her leaving her apartment to meet with Condit's wife - but rather a smiling face was there to greet her - to a secret rendezvous, perhaps? Why wouldn't Levy go meet with Condit's wife? She apparantly deliberately violated Condit's rule of never answering his phone just so she could talk to Carolyn Condit...and whatever was 'discussed' in that 5 minute conversation was enough to get C.C. on the next plane out to D.C Perhaps G.C. or one of his staff or 'friends' told Levy that both G.C. and C C. wanted to meet with her at say, 1 p.m. on May 1st...perhaps to discuss the situation'... Maybe Levy thought a face-to-face confrontation would be even more effective than the phone confrontation... And what would Carolyn Condit's reaction have been to this young woman who claimed that she had done what no other 'other woman' had accomplished.. namely to get G.C. to promise to leave C.C. and marry Levy... And perhaps G.C. maybe even meant it...perhaps Levy was the first woman who was WILLING to be dominated, and actually went farther than G.C. had ever dreamed of expecting a woman to do... What would YOU do if you were Carolyn Condit? What would you do if you stood to lose a fair amount of economic status and almost all social status if your husband divorced you? What would you do if you faced being humiliated by the fact that your husband left you for a girl 30 years your junior? What would you do if you had put up with your husband's 'strange tastes' in the sexual arena, to the point where you had to be admitted to a hospital with wounds he'd inflicted, wounds which had left permanent scars, only to find out that it was all for naught because he was going to leave you for someone who 'does it better'? No, I don't think Ms. Condit would have meekly accepted Levy's taunts that her husband was going to leave her for Levy... Chandra found in Israel? She couldn't even get back to Modesto - I don't think she's in Israel...but I suspect that like Elvis, people will start spotting Chandra Levys all over the planet... Chandra maybe murdered by Condit's wife? Well oboviously Mrs. Condit has a mental problem, or she would be all over that one.alleged whip marks on her body inflicted by whom? Well obviously by her husband, or a 3rd-or-more party directed by her husband...I suspect that Carolyn Condit put up with her husbands eclectic sexual tastes for quite a few years, and perhaps the incident that led to the permanent scars was the last straw... In other developments: D.C. police issued a statement Thursday denying published reports that Condit's wife, Carolyn, had confronted Levy during phone conversations between the two. There is no foundation to these reports, the department said. [YES JUNE YOU SURE NAILED THAT ONE - to the wrong person, of course] These are the same police that still say Gary Condit isn't a suspect... These are the same police who have the highest percentage of unsolved murders of any police department in the United States... The FACT is, phone records show a 5-minute call from Carolyn Condit to her husband's D.C. apartment, at a time that G.C. has established an alibi for NOT being home...so who was C.C. talking to? June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Waterbury (CT) Mayor Faces Sex Charges
-Caveat Lector- From: Yardbird Just goes to show you what happens when these heterosexuals, always pushing their heterosexual agenda, are put into positions of authority where they have access to children... Why do gay activists argue that male/female paedophiles who molest memebers of their own sex are not homosexuals but then contend that most paedophiles are heterosexual? It's not just 'gay activists' who state that -- anyone who has seen the statistics on pedophiles knows that the majority of pedophiles are heterosexual, and pursue and maintain adult heterosexual relationships; that applies irregardless of the sex of the minors the pedophiles molest... In other words, the mayor of Waterbury, CT is a heterosexual male who is married and has children of his own (so far there has been no word on whether he molested his own kids)...and he is an accused pedophile, accused of molesting two girls ages 9 and 11... Now I don't feel that this man is representative of the adult male heterosexual community as a whole... Neither should men who molest little boys be considered representative of the adult male homosexual community as a whole...in fact, most men who molest boys are NOT homosexual, but pursue and maintain sexual relationships with adult females... June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Waterbury CT Mayor Arrested on Child Sex Charges
http://www.WTNH.com/Global/story.asp?s=414142New Haven-WTNH, July 26, 2001 2:30 PM ) Mayor Phil Giordano was arrested on federal charges involving sex with a minor, federal officials said Thursday. US Attorney John Danaher IIIsaid Giordano was arrested at approximately 7:45 a.m. Giordano was charged with two criminal offenses, Danaher said. "First, use of an interstate facility to entice a child under the age of 16 to engage in sexual activity. Second, conspiracy to carry out that offense." News Channel 8 has been told the charges against Giordano may involve more than one minor. If convicted, Giordano faces up to ten years in prison and a quarter million dollar fine. The 38-year-old Republican mayor is being held without bond because there was a "serious risk" he would flee, authorities said. A hearing will be held in Bridgeport Federal Court on July 31st. Giordano was represented in court this morning by a public defender. FBI agents were searching Giordano's office and seizing records. The office is closed to the public. New Channel 8 reporter Erin Cox says authorities are also searching Giordano's home. They arrived at approximately 9:00 a.m. Among the items seized from Giordano's home was a satellite dish that was attached to the roof. Earlier in the morning Connecticut Chief State's Attorney John Bailey told a News Channel 8 staff member the charges against Giordano "will shock you." Bailey says state charges could also be filed. On July 18, Giordano announced he would not seek a fourth term in office. He said he wanted to spend more time with his family. He was first elected in 1995. Giordano has taken heat for the failing economy in the city, which resulted in a $60 million deficit and state takeover of finances. In November, Giordano was soundly defeated in a bid to unseat Sen. Joseph Lieberman. Former State Representative and current State Republican Party Chairman Chris DePino said in a statement "We are shocked and disturbed about the arrest and charges lodged against Mayor Giordano. We are sorry for the pain and distress that these events will cause his family and we are also gravely concerned about the charges." Giordano is not the first Waterbury mayor to face federal charges. Joseph Santopietro was convicted on corruption charges in 1992. He served more than six years in prison. _IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [CTRL] Condit Update Via Aheadnews.com
-Caveat Lector- The new Tabloid accounts have been leaked to insiders in the press world and Mrs. Condit appears to be coming to the forefront. Chandra Levy was so distraught over the ending of a trial marriage where she was living with Gary Condit for one month (backed up by her absence from her health club) that she violated one of the Congressman's rules and picked up the phone when Mrs. Condit's name came on the caller ID. A screaming match ensued and Mrs. Condit soon afterwords bought a plane ticket to Washington DC. Did I call it, or what? ;-) I think it will ultimately be a waste of time trying to pin down Gary Condit s schedule for 4/30 thru 5/2...I think he's savvy enough to cover his tracks . But I think looking into Carolyn Condit's activities for those 3 days would be very enlightening... Yes indeed...one suspects that Mrs. Condit may have found a use for her husband's SM paraphenalia... June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AheadNews: FBI Has SM Sex Tape Involving Chandra and Condit With Eascort
-Caveat Lector- Add this to the blockbuster story that a custodian of the buliding that Condit lived in was forced to clean his apartment twice between May 2 and May 5 and was so bothered by what he saw on the premises that he turned over a gagging ball and part of a buckle to his immediate superior. This employee was promptly fired the next day. If this is true, why didn't this guy come forward before now? If he indeed was 'promptly fired the next day', then he had nothing to lose by going directly to either the police or the FBI... And if this is indeed a true story, one has to keep in mind that Carolyn Condit was staying in that very same apartment until 5/2...so presumably she was aware of its condition... And remember my suggestion, made in a previous post...that Chandra Levy's destination on 5/1, when she logged off of her computer and headed out the door with only her keys and no ID, could very well have been to go to the apartment to confront Mrs. Condit... And perhaps Mrs. Condit took advantage not only of the opportunity, but of her husband's toys, including that gag ball... The custodian/maintenance employee who discovered Gary Condit's kinky sex lair on May 2-5 and was so bothered by what he saw that he took potential evidence from the scene of Condit's apartment to show to his superiors But not bothered enough to report it to the police or the FBI... The employee who was fired the next day after expressing concerns of the evidence he saw in the bathroom sex closet of Gary Condit is talking to the tabloids Concerned enough to talk to the tabloids (for a fee, I bet) but not to report it to the authorities? Why? Perhaps because he himself is guilty of stealing an article from Condit's apartment, and it's the act of thievery that got him fired, and not the item purloined? and will reveal that part of the evidence in question is a black leather bra strap that he took out of the Congressman's apartment. Whether it is Chandra's or who has possession of this possibly damning evidence and what DNA or blood is on it is not yet known, But could have been extremely helpful to the investigation if presented to the authorities immediately when Levy was reported missing... I think this 'fired custodian' should be arrested for obstruction of justice June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Market is favoring some Oil Gas Stocks J2
-Caveat Lector- From: Nurev Ind. At this time - We bring you: *** KING RESOURCES, INC. (OTC BB: KING) *** HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE??? I thought slavery was over in the good ol' USA. How could King Resources be selling BB King? Perhaps BB incorporated himself and is selling himself... ;-) Is because he so old? Is it because he can't sing like he used to? Is Lucille included in the bargain? ;-) June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Generation over and out
-Caveat Lector- From: Andrew Hennessey meanwhile in milan - designers launch fashion shows sporting female clothes for men Such as kilts? whilst the marketing industry keeps pushing the theme of the superior woman. What, does the truth bother you so much? Don't worry, we superior women will keep you male playthings around to...well, play with... June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NM: Tabs Hit Condit with 'Sex Slave' and Assault Allegations
-Caveat Lector- Twenty-seven women have told investigators they've had affairs with Congressman Gary Condit, with probers exploring everything from an account he turned girlfriends into his sex slaves, to rape allegations, two supermarket tabloids are set to report. Interesting. For some reason I thought he'd be more likely to be the 'sub' in SM games...he looks the type to get off on wearing women's underwear Hendley also alleged that Condit was super-secretive about their six month affair, a detail that mirrors what other Condit girlfriends have said, including what Chandra Levy told her aunt. A reporter for Talk was discussing just this issue on the Imus show this morning, and she observed that such antics are usually found where the man is trying to hide his peccadillos from a wife who is living with him...but seems to be a strange manner to conduct oneself when one's wife is living 3000 miles away... Which leads me to wonder if the ultra-secrecy that Condit insisted upon with his 'girlfriends' was not so much to keep the affairs secret from Carolyn Condit, 3000 miles away, but to assure that someone else much closer to his DC condo didn't find about about the women on the side... And perhaps the 'someone' is a male lover June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Boy Scout Bloodlust Bemoaned
-Caveat Lector- From: Yardbird What a splendid idea! And when the little, four legged animals become too powerful, politically, The larger four legged animals can bribe the fish and game people to let them hunt the little four legged animals with large forks! Or maybe they could unite and hunt the environmentalists. Granted an underfed vegan may not be the most nourishing food source but they apppear to be plentiful and are not listed as an endangered species. Besides they're easy to catch - what with many of them chaining themselves to trees in the middle of nowhere. Well, Findhorn and The Secret Life of Plants showed that flora are also sentient beings, so they should also have their own PAC... ;-) June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Faked Death Has Some Real Consequences
-Caveat Lector- Faked death has some real consequences By MICHAEL P. MAYKO July 20 - BRIDGEPORT -- It was planned as the perfect crime. Travel to Mexico, dig up a grave, load the corpse into a rented Chevrolet Suburban and stage a fiery July 11, 1998, crash near Monterrey, Mexico. Then, sit back and wait until Kemper Life Assurance and CNA Life Insurance pay $7 million in life insurance benefits. The problem was that Madison T. Rutherford, 39, of Bethel, overestimated the willingness of insurance companies to pay and underestimated the abilities of forensic scientists. On Thursday, Rutherford -- who began using that name in the late 1980s instead of John Patrick Sankey, his given name -- appeared very much alive as he listened to U.S. District Judge Stefan R. Underhill send him to prison for the next five years, the maximum sentence for wire fraud. Next month, L. Rhynie Jefferson, Rutherford's estranged wife who is 20 years his senior, also faces sentencing on the wire fraud charge. She has filed for divorce. Recovered by Mexican police from the charred remains of the vehicle was a medical alert necklace containing the word penicillin and the name M. Rutherford and a wristwatch inscribed To Madison, Love Rhynie. The fake death was staged when Rutherford traveled to Mexico with a retired Connecticut State Police trooper to deliver a rare dog to a breeder. The trooper was not charged, after passing a lie detector test. This is one of the most serious crimes I've seen, said Underhill, who has been a federal judge for two years. You've left a lot of pain and loss in the wake -- a wake driven by a desire for financial gain. For more than five hours Thursday afternoon, Underhill heard how much pain Rutherford caused. Particularly, the pain felt by Brigitte Beck, a 72-year-old massage therapist from Norwalk. Beck testified that Rutherford bilked her out of about $300,000 and her New Canaan Court home, which is in foreclosure as a result of the $482,000 in mortgages he obtained on it. She met Rutherford while treating his wife. The couple convinced her that Rutherford was a successful financial adviser. Whatever Madison advised me to do, Beck said, I went along with it. She also went along with his story about his death, knowing full well he was alive, pointed out Assistant U.S. Public Defender Paul Thomas, Rutherford's attorney. Beck admitted she initially lied to the FBI about her knowledge. She even allowed Rutherford to live in her home when he first returned to the U S. Beck claimed, during questioning by Assistant U.S. Attorney Christopher Kit Schmeisser, that Jefferson told her Rutherford staged his death because the Mafia was after him. She claimed Jefferson said Rutherford was being protected by the FBI and was in frequent contact with the agency. During the sentencing, John Sankey, Rutherford's natural father, thanked the FBI for arresting his son. If not for you folks, he would still be on the run, Sankey said. The FBI arrested Rutherford in Boston last November. This occurred after a Hartford private investigator working for Kemper found Rutherford, now known as Thomas Hamilton, working as a comptroller for Double Decker Studios in Boston. Previously, Kemper hired Dr. William M. Bass, a forensic anthropologist to examine the bones a Mexican medical examiner certified as Rutherford's. Bass determined the bones belonged to a 50-year-old person of American Indian ancestry. Later, the FBI said it found some unusual reading among Rutherford's belongings. These included books and pamphlets entitled Modern Identity Changer: How to Create a New Identity, and Paper Trip III, Master Guide to a New Identity. Sankey told Underhill his son fell under the spell of Jefferson, a psychic who uses horoscopes to make readings, when he was teen-ager. She would show up at Lake Candlewood [where Rutherford was a lifeguard] One day she asked him to paint her apartment in New Milford. Schmeisser presented a different view of Rutherford through Beck's testimony. The prosecutor also attempted to dispel the controlling wife theory by playing a tape-recorded phone call Rutherford made to Jefferson from jail. On the tape, Rutherford repeatedly tells Jefferson that the FBI is on to her and that she needs to take money, jewelry and clothes and get out of their Bethel home within 15 minutes. ©1999-2001 MediaNews Group, Inc. All rights to republication are reserved. Connecticut Post incorporates The Bridgeport Post, The Telegram and The Valley Sentinel A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and
Re: [CTRL] UPDATE: CONDIT
-Caveat Lector- From: Edward Britton Good point. There could be other players here (pardon the pun). And Levy perhaps partook in some of these games...which may be why she was willing to go let someone into her building, a 'someone' who was instrumental in her disappearance and ultimate fate...it could have been that the person Levy allowed into the building was someone she knew from one of these 3-and-more-somes trysts at Condit's place... BTW, what's the story with Condit's Wife? What's the story, indeed! I've wondered why she's been so much in the background, and no media profiles of her have been done? It seems that she's in much better health than Condit let on to his D.C. crowd about...and I'd be very interested to read or hear something about HER background, her family connections... A boomerang is just a bent phallic symbol, Kind of like a limp penis? (ROFL!) Hardly limpjust bent... ;-) and most garrotors achieve sexual orgasm while garroting their victims, And you know this how? :-) I'm a student of murder, especially serial murderersthe act of garroting a victim usually gives the murderer sexual release... June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Boy Scout Bloodlust Bemoaned
-Caveat Lector- From: Schmidt I'm not making this up, a number of universities and colleges have factions agitating to take the urinals out of the male toilets. And then what? You guys are supposed to go pee in the bushes? June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UPDATE: CONDIT
-Caveat Lector- From: Prudence L. Kuhn I'm really curious. Just whom do we owe for the information that there is ejaculate all over Condit's apartment? I don't know how I could have missed such an important point in the news. There must be a real problem getting domestics in the DC area. Prudy Actually, it was 'signs of' ejaculate all over the apartment...and it was what was reported found by the police when they searched Condit's apartment and confiscated the venetian blinds with what seems to be blood on them, and also confiscated a pair of pants of Condit's which had a suspicious reddish brown stain on it (one would think though that if the stain were of Levy's blood, Condit would have gotten rid of the pants long before now...heck, if he could successfully get rid of her body without a trace, a pair of pants would have been nothing to dispose of)... Ejaculate is like blood...you can't get rid of all evidence just by washing or blotting...certain proteins remain behind which react to certain stimuli, either certain lightwaves or certain chemicals... June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] UPDATE: CONDIT
-Caveat Lector- From: Edward Britton Insiders in law enforcement know now that semen has been discovered all over Rep. Condit's apartment from the search this week and the DNA test from this evidential discovery will be quite an eye opener. So, he spanks the monkey a lot :-) All over his apartment? ;-) June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Condit's Faulty Alibi Ignored
-Caveat Lector- Vice President Dick Cheney had met privately with Condit for 45 minutes the day before, for instance. This is the first time I've ever seen mentione the exact length of time Condit's meeting with Cheney lasted... According to reports, whomever was working on Levy's computer in her apartment the morning of 5/1 logged off between 12:30 and 1pm; Condit's meeting with Cheney began at 1pm, a meeting we now know lasted 45 minutes. According to the schedule Condit's own people have provided, he returned to his office around 3pm... Which leaves a gap of 75 minutes... The Klingle Mansion in Rock Creek Park, one of the places searched for via MapQuest on Levy's computer that morning, is only about 15 minutes by car from where Condit met with Cheney, also the same time to travel by car back to his office... According to Condit's schedule, after returning to his office at 3, he then supposedly had a doctor's appointment at 5pm...it's a shame that doctor-patient confidentiality rules preclude the doctor from revealing whether Condit indeed visited him (or her) that day, or in revealing whether this appointment had been made some time previously or had been made on short notice that day or the day before... But then Condit's schedule claimed he met with the ABC reporter at 6, which we now know isn't true because the meeting in fact took place on the next night...but it implies that whatever Condit saw his doctor for, it was for something minor which allowed Condit to conclude his business there and supposedly meet the reporter at 6... It doesn't matter that the meeting didn't really happen that night...what matters is that Condit and his staff sought to present the doctor's appointment as only being approximately 30 minutes or so in length... If that was indeed true, and we now know that Condit didn't have the 6pm meeting with the reporter until the next night, then we have another gap in Condit's day on the 1st, a gap again of a little over an hour... Of course, if the doctor's appointment is also a lie, then the time gap would have been even longer... So we now know of TWO significant gaps in Condit's schedule for that day, gaps that he doesn't seem to be too forthcoming to explain... June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Gays/NAMBLA/Erotica
-Caveat Lector- Adult Entertainment Event Attracts Conservatives, Too Los Angeles, Calif. (CNSNews.com) - Erotica-LA, a three-day event at the Los Angeles Convention Center, is billed as an attempt to bridge the chasm between the adult industry and mainstream America. For three days, more than one hundred vendors will sell every type of adult product imaginable, from videos to sexual aides to clothing. I guess we can assume that Gary Condit won't be attending this year... ;-) June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Condit Is Conservative by Day, Liberal at Night
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Aleisha Saba muddled: Find this item interesting - Condit lives in this Bohemian Adams Morgan District and little Chandra had out her map on TV of this Klingle Mansion She didn't have any map out on her TV, she used MapQuest on her PC...and the Klingle Mansion was only one of many areas she apparently checked out... That's presuming that it was actually Levy at the computer that morning and not a computer-savvy perp who knew how to throw authorities off the scent by deliberately laying down false cybertracks... Could it be a meeting was to take place; Chandra is alleged to have visited that guy's apartment, but when - maybe that night? According to the police, Levy's MapQuest query of the Klingle Mansion in nearby Rock Creek Park (the Mansion, used as park headquarters but closed that day) occurred at approximately 12:30 pm, shortly before she allegedly signed off... Two other interesting, and perhaps relevant points: according to Condit's schedule, he had an hour lunch at the White House starting at 11:30...he then had a meeting with Dick Cheney scheduled at 1pm, the length of which is not specified, but which probably didn't last longer than half an hour...we are told that he next returned to his office at 3pn, which leaves a gap of about an hour and a half in his schedule during midday... If Levy left her apartment between 1 and 1:30 pm that day, the young woman (who has been described as a fitness buff), could have either jogged or walked briskly to the vacinity of the Klingle mansion and been there between 1:30 and 2pm -- the very same time that Condit has a gap in his schedule for that day... The second interesting and perhaps relevant point is that that area of Rock Creek Park, the vacinity around the Klingle Mansion, is apparently a well-known gay hangout and gay pickup place...with the recent revelations regarding Condit, it is reasonable to presume that he was at least aware of this area of the park, if not well-acquainted with it. So his is one item re this location and then an interesting item re Klingle Mansion area where Chandra took the time to target on her computer? Again, this is presuming that it was Levy actually on the computer at that time...if it was, and if she went to the area of Klingle Mansion shortly afterwards, one has to answer the question as to why she only brought her keys and not her purse... If she was already abducted (perhaps around 4:30 that morning, when a resident of Levy's building called the police reporting hearing a woman scream), then it had to be the perp (or one of the perps) on Levy's computer later that morning, probably intending on leaving a cybertrail to throw the authorities off (mainly to be able to establish an alibi for the hours in question)... Perhaps not all of the MapQuest inquiries were spurious...perhaps the person sitting at Levy's computer at midday on 5/1 had been told by someone -- presumably Condit himself -- After you do what you have to do, meet me in the park by the mansion at approximately 2 pm so that we can discuss the next step...so perhaps the query to MapQuest was to actually get directions, but that would then imply the querant was unfamiliar with the area -- an unlikely possibility if the perp was this supposed gay black Hatian biker... Of course another possibility is that Levy staged this whole thing to get back at Condit...she could have delibertely screamed at 4:30am, and have done the MapQuest search later that day to lay down her own false cybertracks...and presumably aware of Condit's sexual tastes, the MapQuest query on the Klingle Mansion could have been an attempt to point attention to Condit's homosexual activities... A source close to the congressman says health problems kept her at home, although Condit frequently flies to see her on weekends. Again, according to other sources, Carolyn Condit is a hale and hearty woman; she did have a bout of encephalitis as a child which seemingly has not greatly affected her as an adult. I suspect this 'sick wife' story was something Gary Condit cooked up to explain to the D.C. crowd why his wife stayed back in California and didn't come to D.C. with him...I suspect Mrs. Condit stayed behind at Condit's own suggestion... The 'sick wife' story probably helped him with women...garnered sympathy and helped convince them to go to bed with this guy, and was a convenient excuse when these chippies started pressuring him to divorce his wife and marry them: Oh no! I couldn't possibly divorce my wife! She's very ill and it would look bad, and be political suicide for my career! If he laid on the sick wife story thick enough, he probably had most of his affairs believing that his wife was on death's doorstep and that it was only a matter of time before she died and he'd be 'free'... Because of this maverick role, MSNBC named Condit one of the eight top Democratic Power Brokers. He's a good congressman, said California
Re: [CTRL] THE CONDIT SCANDAL ~ WHEN WILL THE MEDIA FOCUS ON TONY COEHLO?
-Caveat Lector- From: Aleisha Saba What got me was the old sympathy routine where it was tossed out Condit's wife was very ill A tabloid I read this weekend stated that Mrs. Condit suffered from encephalitis as a child, which indeed can leave some aftereffects, but that she's been relatively hale and hearty as an adult... I suspect the 'ill wife' was both Condit's ploy to get his chippies to go to bed with him (My wife is very sick and we've hadn't had sex in years...), and his excuse when they pressured him for marriage (My wife is too ill for me to divorce at this time...)... A very informative site on encephalitis is: http://glaxocentre.merseyside.org/enceph.html June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Chandra Levy Timeline 7/15 (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- I've added a few more items to this timelinesee below 2000 Sometime around June, or generally in the summer of this year (2000), Anna Marie Smith starts her affair with Condit (she claims they had a relationship for approx. 10 months at the time Levy disappeared). Nov. L visits her Aunt in Maryland from Washington during Thanksgiving. The two discuss Levy's romantic life, according to the Washington Post, a discussion which contradicts the denials later issued by Condit's office about an affair between the intern and the congressman (Slate) It would seem that the affair with Levy must have begun immediately upon their first meeting; keep in mind that Condit's affair with Smith had been going on for some months at this time... 2001 Jan. About now L was telling both her aunt and her landlord that she might leave her apartment and move in with her boyfriend (Slate) 01/20L attends one of President Bush's inaugural balls (WP) Alone? @April: Friday before Passover, visits aunt. Parents arrive next day. Levy shows aunt the bracelet she says was given to her by Rep. Gary A. Condit. Sometime at the beginning of April, Anna Marie Smith visits Condit at his apartment, and discovers at least one hair that she IDs as Levy's, even though Smith claims to have never met Levy and indeed claims to not have known Condit was seeing anyone else but her (Smith). Smith also claims to have seen something which suggested bondage games were occuring in Condit's bedroom, and claims that this along with some vague 'other things' now makes her afraid of Condit. Apr.During Passover L sees the relative who visited during Thanksgiving, and again they discuss Levy's romantic life reports the Washington Post. The relative tells Chandra's mother, the news. Susan calls Chandra and asks her if she's been seeing Condit. Susan Levy says Chandra replies, 'How did you know?' (Slate) 4/14 S L's 24th BD party. Chandra bursting with plans (NYDN) @April 14: Levy's birthday celebrated at godparents' house in the Washington area. Sometime around this time -- around the middle of April -- Levy reportedly has 'a discussion' with Condit at his apartment regarding Jennifer Thomas, the intern who purportedly had not only an affair with Condit but his love child also, some 5 to 7 years before. @April 20: Bureau of Prisons tells her internship is over. 4/23 M Internship abruptly ended (BOP says routinely ended) (NYDN) Is it merely coincidence that the BoP suddenly discovered Levy's graduation status and routinely ends Levy's internship in an abrupt manner, only a short time after Levy's purported 'discussion' with Condit about Jennifer Thomas? *4/28 S Levy leaves two messages on landlord's machine saying that her job had ended abruptly. She e-mails that she would like to move out soon - May 5 or 6 - because I have no real reason to stay around here. SoLevy finds out either on Friday, 4/20, or Monday, 4/23, that her internship was ended...yet she waits until the following Saturday, 4/28, to contact her landlord to say she'll be moving out in a few days... The fact that she didn't contact the landlord immediately suggests that she spent the week trying to make arrangements of some sort..and by 4/28 she realized that nothing was going to pan out, at least anytime soon... 4/29 S Condit and L last speak by phone (per Condit) L calls aunt announcing she had big news! (NYDN) L videotaped at 7-11 in Arlington, VA though she has no car (NYDN) The 'big news', in the context of this timeline, would seem to probably be in regards to Levy's job prospects, and whether she'd be able to remain living in D.C. The 'big news' (whether coming from Condit, or from another source) may have been in regards to her being offered a job, albeit one that wouldn't start for some weeks, hence Levy's plans to go home for a week or more to visit her parents weren't changed. 5/01 T 10:45 amChandra emails mother about flight home in general, there seems to have been no flight selected by then. Or someone with access to Levy's apartment and who knew her ID and password logged on and sent the email to Levy's mother. *5/03 T Landlord calls and e-mails Levy, thinking something is wrong because of her usually meticulous nature. There is no response Thursday, Friday or Saturday. *5/03 T Levy's parents call the apartment's building manager and ask him to open Chandra's apartment and see if she's there. The manager refuses, saying he can't
Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AMEN AMEN!!! Sure feels like 'global warming' here in DC. 59 degrees at night, days in the 70s, no humidity. TOTALLY UNLIKE the typical DC July. Just to clarify matters, my post neither supports or seeks to negate arguments pro or con for global warming or global cooling... What I was trying to point out is that the argument for either case can be as factual or otherwise as the opposing argument...proponents of either argument have any number of supposedly verified scientific studies which they trot out to 'prove' their case...how can both be right? The issue is really one of who exactly is manipulating the issue? Cui bono? BTW, it is a common fallacy to think that global warming will mean that we all suddenly start experiencing tropical weather; in global warming, some areas will indeed experience abnormal COLD, as weather patterns are changed... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [ ! ! ! ] UPI: Screams heard before Chandra disappeared
-Caveat Lector- We did dispatch someone to the scene, didn't find anything, Ramsey said. But we do know that Ms. Levy was very active on her computer more than three hours after that particular call came in. Again, as I pointed out, all that can be said with any certainty is that email purporting to come from Levy was sent at that time, ostensibly from the computer in her apartment. There's no proof that it was actually Levy sitting at the computer at that point in time... When Levy first was reported missing, Condit said he and Levy had a plutonic friendship in public statements and two police interviews. Plutonic? ;-) Anyone who has an understanding of astrology will understand how interesting this 'Freudian slip' is... ;-) June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Steve wrote: Now the liberals would have us believe that these predictions were wrong, and that the earth is getting hotter. But they don't have any real proof of this warming tread. The limited data base of ocean temps taken by satillite don't show a warming tread. Get your facts straight, for once, Bill, (and Nakano). Ocean temperatures have increased significantly. What is being missed (or ignored) in all this rhetoric is the basic FACT that throughout the decades of the 1960s and 70s, global COOLING was the cause-du-jour of the scientific community and environmentalists, and all manner of supposedly verified scientific data was trotted out to 'prove' that by th 1990s/2000s most of the world would be caught in the grips of a new ice age; indeed many popular books touted 'the coming ice age'... Then in the 1980s both the scientific community and environmentalists did a 180 degree turn, and started trotting out supposedly verified scientific data purporting to 'prove' that the earth was instead experiencing global WARMING and would be a sweltering greenhouse within a few decades? What happened to all the 'proof' of global COOLING that we were presented with in the prior 2 decades? If the 'proof' of global cooling was either flawed or deliberately concocted, we should we be any more willing to accept the veracity of the supposed 'proof' we are now presented of supposed global WARMING... Both sides of the argument can trot out any number of scientific studies claiming to prove one side of the argument or the otherwhy should we believe one over the other? Look behind the smoke and mirrors to the men behind the curtain... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] USNewsWorldReport: Scientists are scanning the brain for traces of guilty knowledge.htm
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 15 Jul 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: Oh what a hangover - like June riding on the rear seat of a motorcycle? At 34-24-36, the only thing that hungover when I rode on the back of a bike were my very shapely legs... Kris, why is Saba allowed to make continue to make these personal insults? Seems to me a 'rule' should be applied to ALL parties... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NM: Feds Probing Possible Chandra Threat Against Condit
-Caveat Lector- A source close to the investigation also told me that Anne Marie Smith told the FBI Condit did lose his temper on occasions and she feared him, O'Reilly said. And yet, according to her, she continued to visit him 3 to 5 times a month, the last time being sometime during the first week of April. I still say this chick is fishy...if she was so frightened of him, why did she continue to visit him in DC? SHE was the one who came to him, he wasn't stalking her in her home state of Washington. If her job brought her to DC a couple of times a month, nothing forced her to have to contact Condit and visit him... The fact that she continued to do so suggests that Ms. Smith wasn't all that frightened of him... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mind Control Murders Plague The U.S.A.
-Caveat Lector- From: M. F. Abernathy Have you seen any stories like these in your local newspaper lately? [snip] The man accused of murdering a vacuum cleaner salesman in Waialua said he was on a mission to kill people and chop up their bodies after voices commanded him to do so, a psychiatrist testified yesterday. I'd be more interested in finding out WHY these people LISTEN to these supposed voices and do what these supposed voices tell them to do without questioning it... If some voice popped into my head saying Kill this person who's knocking at your door and chop their body up!, I'd tell that voice Kill him yourself, you mutha, if you're so keen on killing! I definitely wouldn't just pick up the heaviest nearby object to bludgeon the poor schmuck to death and then get the breadknife from the kitchen and proceed to hack away at the body... Everyone concentrates on the question of the voices these people claim to hear, and never ask the question why these people actually DO what these voices command... And why is it these supposed voices always demand these people slaughter an unsuspecting victim? How come we don't hear of people who have voices in their heads telling them to go plant wildflowers along highways or plant vegetables in abandoned city lots; or to paint a masterpiece or compose an opus; or voices commanding people to go volunteer at their local soup kitchen? Why do we have so many David Berkowitzs with dogs telling them to kill and no Jimmy Stewarts with 7-foot invisible pukas instructing them to help the downtrodden? :-7 June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Nessie wrote: So the fact that someone found out that he had this knife at the school dance shows that Mr. Hix had to have removed it from his kneesock at some point during the dance... The handle of a sgian-dhu sticks out of the top of the I will repeat this once again: when this kid was on the CBS morning show the other day and demonstrating his outfit and this knife, there was absolutely NOTHING showing above his sock; one could not see that he had it. The knife was well down into his sock when he reached down and pulled it out to demonstrate it to the camera... Perhaps the traditional way IS to wear it with the hilt showing, but that is NOT the way Hix was wearing it the other morning when he demonstrated how he claims he was dressed at the dance... The reports of the incident all say that Hix was at the dance for SEVERAL HOURS before the chaperone noticed the knife, which implies that Hix did indeed have it hidden. June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [HOLY $H!T!! CHECK THIS!! ] Fw: NM: Condit: Gays, Bisexuals and Murder
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, MIKE SPITZER wrote: This scenario doesn't account for Levy disappearing without the security cameras in her building picking up anything...even if this supposed Caribbean black male prostitute waited outside, Levy would have been seen leaving her apartment and the building... Well, that would mean she (or her corps) had to be concealed somehow as she/it left the building, or that she/it is still in the building, right? Both scenarios seem to me to have an infinitesimal chance of being the case?? If Levy is no longer in the building, she or her body had to have left it at some time on either 4/30 or 5/1, yet the building's 24-hour security system has no record of it. Neither does it show anyone having come to her apartment. Obviously she either had to have left her apartment under her own volition, or she was killed in her apartment and her body taken out. The fact that there is no record on the security system of her leaving the building or someone coming in, the possibility that she or body remained in the BUILDING (albeit not in her apartment) at least for some days after her parents first reported her missing has to be considered as a distinct possibility. I doubt that either she (if alive) or her body would still be there at this time, but she could have definitely been in another apartment in the building through the first and perhaps the 2nd week of May. After the initial police search of Levy's apartment and the public areas of the building, she or her body could have left the building unnoticed, because at that time attention was focused elsewhere... And, a thorough search (i.e., 10 or more hrs. by a LARGE team, versus the 5 guys that were actually there to search for ONLY 3 hours) would have shown at least some evidence if she was killed in the apartment (or building, *if* it was searched?). She probably wasn't killed (if indeed she is dead) in her own apartment. She could have gone to another apartment in the building (which the security system doesn't track) and have been killed there. Such a scenario would explain why she took her keys (so she could get back into her own locked apartment) and not her purse... Such a scenario is more likely than she would leave her purse behind to go riding on the back of a motorcycle... Btw, my understanding of forensic searches these days (and I have an extensive chemisty and analytical instrumentation background, i.e., several degrees and career in the sales of such) is that it is virtually impossible to clean up after a violent act anymore so as to not have at least some evidence of the violence revealed via a state-of-the-art, thorough forensic search. It is indeed impossible to completely clean up evidence of spilled blood. If Levy was strangled, given a hypodermic injection, had her head held under a full tub of water, or drank poison, there would be no blood to be cleaned up or to be detected by forensic methods. June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] MB: Condit denies affair with teen
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: True or not, who are these people who rush to tell the world that their daughter is not too bright and had an affair with a married man? In this case it is a parent who knows his daughter claims to be in fear for her life because the 'affair' was supposed to be kept secret, and feels that only by going public with it can her safety be assured. June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Andrew Hennessey wrote: Mr. Hix then did not leave well enough alone, and must have taken the knife out for some reason at the dance, because it could not otherwise be seen. not true - the hilt and gemstone pommel are always clearly visible protruding from the sock. It was not visible when Mr. Hix appeared on an American morning news show in full regalia. Neither hilt nor pommel were visible before he pulled it out of his sock (and the item did not have any gemstone, unless it was too tiny to be made out on camera)... If the getup Mr. Hix was wearing on the television show was the EXACT getup he wore to the school dance, then the knife was definitely NOT visible to the casual observer... someone therefore saw the hilt and deduced knife - not 'the guy brandished it' The zero-tolerance policy doesn't care if someone brandishes a weapon...just bringing it onto school property is an infraction. he was stupid but not intimidating as you are attempting to lead us to beleive I never claimed he was intimidating. I AM saying he was either very stupid for including an item he knew very clearly violated a well-known school policy, or he deliberately flaunted violating that policy. Either way, he knew what the consequences would be... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: dirty fingers on his precious knife. To my knowledge no child in this area was ever injured by one of these knives in all the years I attended school. Apparently we have become a nation of idiots who cannot carry any weapons anywhere for fear of sudden transmutation into mass killers. Perhaps, but more to the point we have become a nation where children have not been taught ethics and morals, and who believe that their personal desires are the only thing of importance. They have not been told 'no' when they demanded something, and so have not learned to tolerate even the slightest amount of frustration. These children do not hesitate to hurt anyone who causes them discomfort. I can understand having a zero-tolerance policy in schools for carrying weapons, as long as it applies to REAL weapons and not something like a nail clipper. This boy KNEW that what he was bringing to the school dance was clearly a weapon -- the item is designed for no other use but as a weapon -- and chose to ignore or flaunt the policy. He should not be surprised at the consequences. June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, kl wrote: Either this kid was unbelievable stupid, or he deliberately wanted to provoke something...he knew about the zero-tolerance policy and deliberately chose to break it, It's good to see that a few students haven't been fully brainwashed by the PC teachers and administrators. Zero tolerance policies are made by people with zero intelligence or maybe even IQ's in negative numbers. They should be opposed by every thinking person. He deserves approval and support. So you are saying that students should be allowed to bring any manner of weapon onto school property? Or are you suggesting that just Caucasians be allowed this priviledge? This is not a new policy...back when I was in school in the 60s, any student would have been busted for bringing a knife to school or into a school dance...there were gangs even back then, and carrying a knife was a siren call to have a 'rumble'... I really would like to see your justification for allowing students to carry knives on themselves to school and to school dances... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] RCMP, FBI AND U.S. SECRET SERVICE CRUMPLE NIGERIAN LETTER SCAM
RCMP, FBI AND U.S. SECRET SERVICE CRUMPLE "NIGERIAN LETTER SCAM"(Toronto) - The Royal Canadian Mounted Police Toronto WestDetachment Commercial Crime Section announced yesterday theresults of a three year investigation that has successfully dis-mantled a highly sophisticated international criminal organiza-tion operating in the Greater Toronto Area and victimizingpeople around the world.This alleged criminal group has been perpetrating a large scaleinternational fraud known as the West African-based OrganizedAdvance Fee Fraud or more commonly known as the "Nigerian letterscam". The RCMP alleges that this criminal group is part of alarger criminal organization based in Nigeria and that thisgroup has been perpetrating this scam for over 8 years in theGreater Toronto Area.To date, the RCMP has identified over 300 victims from aroundthe world. Most victims are from the United States, althoughvictims have been identified in Europe and Asia. Individuallosses range from US $52,000 to over US $5 million.In 1998, the Commercial Crime Section of the RCMP Toronto WestDetachment received a complaint from a victim of an Advance FeeFraud who was asked to travel to Toronto. While investigatingthis complaint, common elements surfaced concerning severalongoing investigations in both Canada by the RCMP and in theUnited States by the FBI and the US Secret Service. The RCMP andthe FBI immediately began a co-operative investigation underCanadian Eagle in association with the US Secret Service. Can-adian Eagle is a US/Canadian law enforcement partnership betweenthe RCMP and the FBI mandated to investigate organized crimegroups that are conducting fraudulent cross-border telemarketingactivity.Arrested and charged with conspiracy to commit fraud; fraudagainst the general public; and laundering the proceeds of crimewere Wenceslaus Utomi, 47, of Richmond Hill, Ontario; AinsleyAnthony Drakes, 34, of Toronto, Ontario; and Richard Brewster,33, of Toronto, Ontario. _IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[CTRL] INMATE WORKS LEGAL SYSTEM FROM BEHIND BARS
-Caveat Lector- INMATE WORKS LEGAL SYSTEM FROM BEHIND BARS (West Palm Beach, FL) - The web of fakery and greed spun by con- victed jewel dealer Jack Hasson for more than a decade continues to snare victims and clog up multiple court systems, while he sits in a South Carolina prison, defies a federal judge's orders and dabbles in French law. Hasson, serving 40 years for fraud and money laundering, spends his time in the federal penitentiary at Edgefield, S.C., filing common law court papers concocted with the aid of fellow in- mates. The documents include billion-dollar judgments against people Hasson perceives as enemies and attempt to persuade a French court not to release $20 million in laundered money to the U.S. government. Meanwhile, federal prosecutors have charged Irene Lois Robert- son, Hasson's longtime bookkeeper at his Palm Beach Gardens and North Palm Beach stores, with concealing his money-laundering, a felony punishable by up to three years in prison and a $250,000 fine. Robertson, 61, pleaded not guilty at her June 29 arraign- ment and is out on $100,000 bond. Robertson and her husband, Pascal, also have agreed to repay $825,000 that Hasson gave her when he shut down his Palm Beach Gardens store in 1998. The money will go to Hasson's main fraud victim, retired businessman Aben Johnson of North Palm Beach, who paid Hasson more than $80 million for jewels later appraised at $6 million. The Robertsons had bought a home and three other pieces of property in Port St. Lucie with part of the money. A federal judge has ordered Hasson's former store manager, James Speiser, back to court to face a charge of violating probation. Speiser, who said he replaced real jewels with fakes and was paid $1.7 million to lie for Hasson, testified against him and got an 18-month sentence, plus three years' probation. Like Has- son, he's required to make restitution to the victims, and his probation officer says he didn't disclose the sale of a 1960 Corvette for $40,500. Former estate lawyer Scott Colton of North Palm Beach, serving three years for helping Hasson launder $26 million, now says he lied to his own attorneys about the scheme as well as to Has- son's other lawyers, the FBI and a federal grand jury. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted, Say Scientists
-Caveat Lector- From: Steve It's just not the same human actions you are being told about in the alleged news media. The cause is NOT any of the following: freon propellant from hairspray cans freon from refrigerators or air conditioners Freon causes depletion of the ozone layer, not global warming. Do your research before making stupid pronouncements. http://www.ec.gc.ca/ozone/protect/sect2_e html#What%20is%20the%20ozone%20hole Does ozone depletion cause global warming? Ozone depletion and global warming are both mainly caused by changes in the atmosphere due to human activities. Global warming is due to the build-up of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere and is not caused by ozone depletion. Some chemicals which deplete ozone, such as CFCs and halons, also trap heat in the atmosphere and contribute to global warming. However, ozone depletion actually causes cooling in the upper atmosphere, and this may partially offset the heat-trapping effect of some ozone-depleting substances. The net result of the heating and cooling caused by ODSs is the subject of current scientific investigation. - -- June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [HOLY $H!T!! CHECK THIS!! ] Fw: NM: Condit: Gays, Bisexuals and Murder
-Caveat Lector- When it was determined that Chandra had to go, But WHY was it 'determined that Chandra had to go', and who exactly did the determining? this guy was given the assignment. He picked her up on his motorcycle, took off some where, killed her, and dumped her body. Then, on orders from Condit and with money from Condit, he headed back to Haiti or wherever he came from - far, far away from investigators and the Feds. This scenario doesn't account for Levy disappearing without the security cameras in her building picking up anything...even if this supposed Caribbean black male prostitute waited outside, Levy would have been seen leaving her apartment and the building... Some of his girlfriends obviously knew of this over the years; some participated in the three-way sex. This explains his absolute paranoia over any of the girls ever talking about their relationships with him. And it explains the fear we are now hearing about from not just the flight attendant, Anne Marie Smith, but others, too. Enjoying 3-and-more-ways sex in and of itself doesn't explain the fear these women claim to be experiencing... As for Chandra leaving her apartment with only her keys? As RJ put it, Perhaps the only time a woman would leave her purse behind would be to ride on the back of a motorcycle. That's bullshit. Having ridden on the backs of motorcycles many times, I can tell you that I never had just my keys with me...I always had a small billfold with my ID and some pocket change in it in my pocket. This scenario also doesn't explain why she took that check for $54 with her... If RJ's scenario if accurate then poor Chandra - and other Condit girlfriends - have fallen into the sickest group of perverts imaginable. It seems to me that if these allegations of bisexuality on Condit's part are true, any women who partook in these 'gourmet' tastes did so with their eyes wide open...they definitely didn't fall into these activities but strolled boldly in without needing to be coerced... June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FC: Are underskirt cams video voyeurism or free speech? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, c. wrote: Let's start seeing some voyeuristic videos of men's privates taken when they thought they were in private... really, trust me, there is no market for men's privates in private ;) I think you underestimate women (and ignore the gay male market)... ;-) but if you are *really* curious i can mibbe stretch my webcam's cable... Thanks, I'll pass ;-) June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FR: Condit asked Levy to forego ID
-Caveat Lector- One theory that has gained little attention, but that is being pursued by authorities, according to police sources, is the possibility that enemies of Condit may have sought to set him up by abducting the young women. And who might that be? asked an incredulous Joseph DiGenova, a promient local attorney and former U.S. attorney. Is this the spin that the Democrats are putting out? If the police are pursuing that theory, then they really are wasting their time. Who knew about this relationship? No one, apparently, except him and her aunt -- and that's a rather bizarre story. DiGenova neglects the flight attendent's admission that she visited Condit's apartment in early April and discovered Levy's hair...Smith's own account mentions Levy by name, not I found a strange hair in the sink that obviously wasn't mine...Smith's own account implies that she just didn't think that Condit had a vague 'other woman', but that she indeed knew Levy and knew what Levy looked like (or at least knew what sort of hair Levy has)...either Smith knew before that time specifics regarding her 'rival', or Condit provided details at that time when Smith confronted him with Levy's hair... Either way, we have at least one other person who knew of Condit's and Levy's relationship BEFORE Levy disappeared...and this other person could conceivably have been jealous enough of Levy and angry enough at Condit to have arranged Levy's disappearance and presumed murder. Another scenario could be that Smith confronted Levy, letting the intern know that Condit had been lying to her if he'd told Levy that she was his exclusive 'other woman'...both Smith and Levy could have cooked up Levy's disappearance as a way of getting back at Condit... Of course, that would mean that either Levy's family is in on the scam, or she's callous enough not to care about causing them anguish... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WP: Minister Says Daughter, at 18, Had an Affair With Condit
-Caveat Lector- Thomas said the relationship took place about seven years ago and that it ended in a tense breakup initiated by his daughter. Thomas said he decided to describe his daughter's account to FBI agent Todd M. Irinaga because he learned that the relationship was discussed by Levy and Condit in April, about two weeks before the 24-year-old intern was last seen. Hm Okay, let's look at the timeline... Sometime in 'early April', the flight attendent Anna Marie Smith visits Condit at his apartment and discovers a strange hair (or two or three or more). Smith immediately recognizes that the hair is a woman's, and not Smith's. Smith now openly states that she discovered Levy's hair, whom she supposedly didn't know about...Smith has also said that during her 10-month affair with Condit that she had a 'vague feeling' that she wasn't his only chippy, but didn't know any details. But then she turns around and names Levy by name as the owner of the hair Smith finds in Condit's apartment; either Smith is lying about not knowing details of Condit's other affair(s) prior to that date, or Condit provided details regarding Levy at that time. Now according to Thomas, Levy confronts Condit sometime around the middle of April regarding his relationship some 7 years previously with Thomas' daughter. One presumes that Levy confronted Condit about this because why would it take so long for the subject to arise, if Condit had been open about his other relationships? It seems highly unlikely that the 2 discussed this subject as part of 'sweet pillow talk'... One has to wonder HOW Levy suddenly found out about at least one other illicit relationship of Condit's...and if the mid-April 'discussion' of the matter had anything to do with Levy's internship suddenly ending... So again, one wonders if perhaps Smith sought out her rival to let her know about Condit's relationships with many other women. If Condit had told Levy that she was the only one he was seeing or had ever had an affair with, Levy could have presumably been very hurt, disappointed, and angry...angry enough to have confronted him about a week after Smith's discovery of Levy's hair in Condit's apartment. This is all conjecture...but the timing of the events seems a tad coincidental... Thomas's account of his daughter's affair with Condit has been known to the Levy family since mid-April, before Chandra disappeared. By then, the Levy family knew Chandra was having a relationship with the congressman, according to family members. Again, one has to wonder why, after being so adherent to the secrecy rule, Levy suddenly decided to let family members know the name of her paramour in mid-April, about a week after Smith's visit to Condit. At the Levy house that day, Thomas said he and Susan Levy talked about Condit, gingerly at first. Then Mrs. Levy asked me if I've ever heard anything about him and other women, Thomas said. The two eventually confessed to one another that both their daughters had relationships with Condit. I told Mrs. Levy that with my daughter, it ended badly, that I think her daughter should end the relationship with him right away, Thomas said. So again, going back to the timeline: 1. Sometime in early April, Smith discovers Levy's hair in Condit's apartment, hair which she now states without equivocation belonged to Levy; either Smith knew about Levy before that point or Condit provides details on that date. Smith also states that she became very frightened and concerned for her own safety on this date, ostensibly due to seeing a couple of ties tied together. I suspect something 'else' or 'more' made Smith fearful for her life than just seeing the ties, although discussion brought about by her asking about the ties probably revealed the something 'else' or 'more' that suddenly made her afraid, where she hadn't been afraid before... 2. About a week later, Chandra Levy 'talks with Condit' about an affair he had with Minister Thomas' daughter some 7 years before; about this same time she reveals to her parents the long-secret name of her lover, and Susan Levy goes on a 'fishing expedition' with her gardener, who just happens to be the father of the girl Levy 'talks with Condit' about around the same time... I suspect that Smith confronted Levy and provided details of Condit's other affairs, information Smith very likely gained the week before when she confronted Condit over the strange woman's hair she found, and those tied-up ties... Either Condit named more names than Levy's to Smith, including the Thomas girl, and Smith than gave that name to Levy (One can imagine Smith perhaps telling Levy Wake up and smell the coffee! You and I weren't the only ones he's fooled around with, he's had affairs with..., at which time she named names, one of whom Levy recognizes as the daughter of her mother's gardener; Levy confronts Condit with the info, and probably his response was 'unsatisfactory' to her, so she calls her
Re: [CTRL] Civil Rights Not meant for White Men?
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: George Bush - go get this old bat. From: Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's not a very nice thing to say about Amelia June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Civil Rights Not meant for White Men?
-Caveat Lector- From: Aleisha Saba That was directed to you June.maybe I should have painted a little red arrow to your overstuffed computer chair? Go back to your dog pound and fight with the pit bulls.. Gee, I seem to remember Kris, the list owner, requesting that personal attacks such as the above cease and desist immediately, else the poster risk being removed from the list... Seems to be a double standard here, as Saba/Colleen is allowed her pitbull attacks on everyone with whom she disagrees June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE
-Caveat Lector- THE PROBLEM OF NATIONALITIES IN USA: STUDENT FACES EXPULSION FROM COLLEGE FOR WEARING SCOTTISH ATTIRE American student Jeremy His is facing expulsion from college. This kid was on the CBS morning show yesterday (along with his attorney); he is not in college, he's a junior in highschool, and he wore the outfit to a school dance. He has a 3.75 average and was planning on attending Harvard when he graduated . If he is expelled from school, he'll attend a private school (according to what he said on this show), but the expulsion will probably adversely affect his chances of getting into Harvard. His guilt is that one day he turned up in a school discotheque wearing wearing a traditional Scottish attire, indispensable detail of which was a knife, or sgian-dhu. They showed this item on the show, and 'traditional' or not, it looks like it can do quite a bit of damage if used as a weapon. Mr. Hix knew the rules -- he admitted to it on the show. There was no reason to wear this knife, which he showed was worn in a sheath inside his sock, in other words it was a concealed weapon. He could have foregone wearing this item and no one would have known, since it was worn CONCEALED. Either this kid was unbelievable stupid, or he deliberately wanted to provoke something...he knew about the zero-tolerance policy and deliberately chose to break it, when complying would not have adversely affected his costume in the least, since the knife could not normally be seen. Which brings up the 2nd point...choosing to deliberately flaunt the zero-tolerance policy, Mr. Hix then did not leave well enough alone, and must have taken the knife out for some reason at the dance, because it could not otherwise be seen. This kid was wearing his full regalia on this show, and was sitting facing the camera, full body in view, with his legs crossedand until he pulled the knife out from his kneesock, you couldn't see it there. So the fact that someone found out that he had this knife at the school dance shows that Mr. Hix had to have removed it from his kneesock at some point during the dance... He said he had the sgian-dhu tucked into his sock for nearly two hours before a chaperone at the prom noticed it. You couldn't see it yesterday when Mr. Hix was sitting facing the camera, with his leg crossed over the leg with the knife tucked in the sock...not even a bulge in the sock. So one has to wonder just what Mr. Hix did to garner attention from the chaperone... It is strange that such a multinational and tolerant, as it seems, country as the USA does not permit its citizens to wear their national regalia. Not when the 'national regalia' includes a dangerous weapon. I'm far from being a liberal, but I think weapons that are clearly weapons have no place at a school function... June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NM: Condit: The Noose Tightens
-Caveat Lector- 2) Her latest revelation that Condit is into deviant, auto erotic sex only makes him more likely to be involved in Chandra Levy's disappearance. Why? Autoerotic implies he was into activities of a sexual nature which one does alone...so unless what he was REALLY into was WATCHING someone else perform acts of autoeroticism, and such acts were potentially harmful to the person performing the act, it's hard to see the connection between Condit's supposed interest in autoeroticism and Levy's disappearance... 3) Which brings us to the case of Joyce Chang. You may recall that in May, when Chandra's disappearance first made the news, there were stories about Chang's disappearance from the same neighborhood two years ago. Her brother led a candle light vigil for his late sister, whose body was found months after her disappearance floating in the Potomac River. No one has ever been arrested in this case. If Chang's body was found floating in the Potomac months after she disappeared, it implies that she was alive for some time after her disappearance, else the body would have been found in the Potomac much sooner, or it would have rotted enough to sink... Bloated dead bodies only float in water for a few weeks at most, unless they are in freezing cold water which preserves the body...as the body rots and is nibbled on by fish, the internal gasses which kept the body afloat would be released, and what is left of the remains would sink to the bottom... 5) And, if the Bush/Ashcroft Justice Department has its act in gear, they should smell blood in the water here. If the truth forces Condit to resign his seat, the GOP can win it in a special election. That district has a conservative bent and has been Condit's only because of his long career there. But in a House with a tiny majority for the Republicans, every seat counts. Picking up that seat - in a state now completely dominated by the Democrats - would be a great coup for the Republicans. A premise that goes as much to support the theory that Condit's been set up, as to support that he is somehow guiltily involved in Levy's disappearance... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NM: Condit Girlfriend Saw Evidence of Sadomasochistic Sex
-Caveat Lector- A lawyer for a former girlfriend of California Congressman Gary Condit said late Monday that she saw evidence in Condit's apartment suggesting he indulged in sadomasochistic sex practices that could be linked to the disappearance of 24-year-old Washington, D.C. intern Chandra Levy. Sadomasochistic is not necessarily the same as autoerotic as was stated in another post... ROBINSON: Near the end of their relationship things started to really disturb Anne Marie. She found what she believed to be Chandra's hair in his bathroom. She saw other things of a sexual nature that she had nothing to do with and was wondering what the -- what in the world is going on. And then this woman disappears. She was terrified. This statement sounds somewhat suspect, when you keep in mind that Smith up until now claims she knew nothing about Levy before the intern's disappearance, and only claimed a vague feeling that Condit had someone else on the side besides the stewardess... Now Smith says she found Levy's hair in Condit's bathroom and saw some kinky sex toys...which implies she knew that Condit was having a relationship with someone other than Smith and Condit's wife long before Levy went missing...which makes Smith a potential suspect, as she could have been jealous of the woman she felt was a real rival... ROBINSON: Apparently there were ties -- neckties tied together, tied underneath the bed -- as if someone had been tied up in bed. And that had never happened to my client before. And, apparently, Mr. Condit made a joke about it, just brushed it off. And (Smith) told me that she was very afraid for her life at that point. Lots of people enjoy being tied up during sex, and for most people it doesn't go beyond that point. We aren't told WHAT Condit joked about, there is just as much reason to conjecture that CONDIT was the one who allowed himself to be tied up, Levy playing a dominatrix role, as to conjecture that Levy was somehow a victim in these 'games'... ZAHN: Now, did the relationship solely end because she suspected he was involved with another woman? Or was there something else involved here? ROBINSON: Well, the last time they saw each other was actually in April. Some weeks before Levy disappeared; one can assume that it was on this April visit that Smith found Levy's hair in Condit's bathroom and the fit-to-be-tied ties...and yet again it must be pointed out that until this time, Smith was claiming to have known nothing about Levy, that she (Smith) only had a 'vague feeling' that Condit was seeing someone else... Now she admits she was at Condit's in April, and found the hair of another woman in his bathroom and obvious signs of Condit having a sexual relationship with another woman. To put it plainly, Anna Marie Smith has lied. ROBINSON: She found a new bottle of massage oil that had been used, which he never used around her. She also knew that the congressman's wife had not been around for quite some time. And all kinds of different things. More evidence that Smith had PROOF of Condit's relationship with another woman, rather than just a 'vague feeling'... ROBINSON: Ah -- I really don't want to get into it specifically as I've been asked by criminal investigators not to. But apparently Congressman Condit had some peculiar sexual fantasies that a normal heterosexual man does not have. Oh, I think Ms. Smith and her attorney might be surprised at the wide range of sexual fantasies that normal, heterosexual men have... But again, there's nothing in Smith's statement to imply that Condit played the dominant role in these 'fantasies' or actual 'games'...he could have just as likely fantasized about being dominated as have fantasized about dominating a partner... That's her testimony, not mine. And we've been asked not to talk about that specifically. Um -- you know. But it's perfectly okay for Smith and her attorney to spread innuendo... ROBINSON: His wife was in Washington, D.C., she's normally not. I think that may have been a ploy to keep Chandra away from his apartment so that whatever happened could happen. This statement implies that MRS. Condit was involved in some manner...she at least had to agree to come to D.C. when she normally didn't go there... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many
Re: [CTRL] Utah man claims free expression in sodomy case
-Caveat Lector- In Utah, a 16-year-old may have consensual sex with a person who is no more than four years older. What a strange law... Why is it okay for a 16 y.o. to have sex with another 16 y.o. or a 19 y.o., but not with someone who is 21 or 41. If it's wrong to have consensual sex at 16 it's wrong, or should be, irregardless of the age of the other party.. Sodomy was outlawed in Utah even for married couples until 1977, when the law was changed to apply only to unmarried people. It is punishable by up to six months in jail and a $1,000 fine. Another strange law... Talk about the Sex Police... June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FC: Are underskirt cams video voyeurism or free speech? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Up-skirt video voyeurism is apparently a thriving internet business, with about a hundred web sites devoted to up-skirt and other candid body shots of unsuspecting female victims in public places. Professionals employed by these sites and amateur contributors are part of a cottage industry of stalking and secretly filming victims and disseminating the images on the internet. Gee...I wonder how many of these sites there would be if women started turning the tables and doing the same thing to males... Let's start seeing some voyeuristic videos of men's privates taken when they thought they were in private... June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FOXNews: Libel Judgment Against Anti-Clinton Filmmaker Rejected by Appeals Court
-Caveat Lector- From: Aleisha Saba like this sick homosexual who was murdered in our town, oh he lavished these little kids with gifts and fed them so well - like the witch in Hansel and Gretal The witch in Hansel and Gretel was gay? Think sodomy will ever be accepted in this cuontry Most heterosexual couples practice some form of sodomy, so it is obviously already accepted here... PROTECT THE CHILDRENand remember the words of Paula Poundstone that Gay Pride is supporting now - Poundstone said she always checked out the sodomy laws before he went into any state and in particular was ready to go to Georgia and fight for Sodomy Rights and Gay Pride? I've asked for your DOCUMENTATION of this allegation many times...I and others are still waiting for your PROOF that Poundstone ever said this... June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Condit admits affair with Levy
-Caveat Lector- From: Damian B. Cooper I'm very much inclined to believe that Condit had nothing to do with Chandra Levy's disappearance and probable demise. I believe that someone who knew about Condit's bimboes and who also had a score to settle with Condit (think: Clintonista's) made Chandra Levy disappear knowing full well that Condit would be embarrassed, discredited and ultimately a murder suspect. I tend to agree. I also suspect that Levy maybe had some complicity in her own disappearance, altho I also suspect that she may have been unpleasantly surprised to find out what the organizers of the charade ultimately had in mind for her... I'm also not discounting the ol' green-eyed monster as a possible motive for Levy's disappearance, in which case she probably wasn't an accomplice to her own fate (whatever it may be)...and which makes either Mrs. Condit or the airline stewardess suspects worth considering. Hell hath no fury, and all that rot...and if the scorned party wanted to get even with the man who scorned them, what better way than to get rid of the woman he was having an affair with, and do it in such a way as to cast suspicion on the victim's partner... June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Interesting Class Action Suits
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Re: [CTRL] Ex-spy chief to publish memoirs
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: Tony Blair is a fag and bi sexual One is either homosexual or bisexual, not both. So had never heard about MI10 or the Lavender Hill Mob, but in USA at one time homosexuals got out of wars because they were homosexuals, while the brave and healthy and pure went to war and were killed - and now they tell me tht WWII was fought to save Gay Pride for Hitler was genociding homosexuals? Well I do not believe that one bit, for Hitler and that ws not his real name, was Jewish passing as former Catholic and some say he was a queer as was some of his henchmen? Perhaps so...but it doesn't change the well-documented fact that homosexuals were on the Nazis' hit list, along with Jews, Gypsies, and the physically and mentally handicapped. Homosexuals like Quakers, have never been noted for being cavaliers - might like to knit or play with Barbie dolls - but in MI5 or 6 - I can introduce you to any number of gay men who have had exemplary military careers, and who are definitely NOT 'shrinking violets' who knit (BTW, did you know knitting was invented by MEN as a MALE activity?) or play with dolls (did you know that it was customary until just after WWI for ALL boys to wear dresses until their 6th birthday, and to be given dolls to play with during those same years?) I would trust my life being defended by these gay men over many of the weekend patriots you seem to be so fond of... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bradford under siege after day of race riots
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Bill Howard wrote: Police were attacked with baseball bats and hammers and pelted with petrol bombs, bricks, bottles and road signs. Police were attacked with baseball bats in the UK? This situation is sad, to say the least. What, that they used baseball bats instead of cricket wickets? Has baseball suddenly become so popular in the UK that bats are so readily at hand? I wouldn't be surprised to find that this disturbance was as orchestrated by the British authorities as similar disturbances on this side of the pond are similarly orchestrated by our authorities... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Religious Groups Attacking Corporate Avenger Lyrics
-Caveat Lector- Religious Groups Attacking Corporate Avenger Lyrics And these groups of organized superstitionists will end up ensuring that Corporate Avenger sells MORE albums by giving the rock group more publicity than they otherwise would have gotten June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Chandra Levy Had Untold 'Big News'
-Caveat Lector- On April 29, Levy called Zamsky. Zamsky said that Levy was heard on the answering machine saying: ``I'm planning on packing my bags in the next week or 10 days. And yet her packed bags were found in her apartment, seemingly packed on either 4/30 or 5/1...so if Levy packed the bags herself, what caused the acceleration in plans? Why were the bags packed only a day or 2 after she'd told her aunt that she'd begin packing in 7 to 10 days? And I really have some big news or something important to tell. Please call.'' This is a very oddly-worded statement. Usually one would say I have some big news to tell you, or would say I have something important to tell you, or perhaps even I have some big news, something important to tell you... Saying some big news OR something important to tell is a very strange way to state that you have something of import to relate to the listener...why that word 'or' in the middle? If it was 'big news' then it would seem to also have been 'something important', not an 'either-or' situation... That little word 'or' implies that whatever it was, Levy at that moment wasn't too sure how 'big' or 'important' the news was...which to me rules out that whatever it was she wanted to tell her aunt, it probably was NOT that Levy was pregnant. If she thought she was pregnant with Condit's child, she wouldn't have described it as 'either-or', that it was 'big news' OR 'something important'; if Levy was pregnant, it would have been 'big news' AND 'something important'... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CNN: Condit denies urging anyone to mislead in Levy case
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Jenny Decker wrote: If she disappeared without being traced, then she left the building some other way than upright on her feet. Rolled up in a rug, etc. Or in pieces in boxes. It would be possible to dismember a body in a bathtub (if you brought the right tools), and then neatly wash away all the blood. It's impossible to completely wash away all traces. There is a chemical now used in forensic science which causes even microscopic traces of blood to glow blue under a black light...even though to the naked eye all traces of blood were washed away, certain proteins would have remained behind on the walls, in the grout between tiles, in the rug, and even in the drain, especially in the trap... I'd be looking for service people who came in to the building that day: painters, plumbers, UPS, etc. etc. Four people carrying paintbuckets, for example, could deal with the problem invisibly. I'd also check out anyone who'd rented an apartment in the building shortly before Levy disappeared She knew for a couple of weeks that she'd be leaving on that date, so I'd check anyone who moved into the building on 4/1, or who was scheduled to move in on 5/1... It could be that Levy was moved into another apartment in the building, and then removed from the building when things cooled down...in which case, either the 2nd apartment was already rented, or it was in the process of 'being moved into' for 5/1, and who would question big boxes being moved into the newly rented apartment? Even if the 2nd apartment was rented on 4/1, little suspicion would be raised regarding a big box or object being moved into it a month later... it could be explained away as a newly bought entertainment center, washing machine, etc. June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: ENEMIES OF DEMOCRACY
---Original Message--- Date: Monday, July 02, 2001 05:47:38 PM Subject:- ENEMIES OF DEMOCRACYForwarded News ItemPlease copy and distribute to other interested individuals and groups**When you read the following, keep in mind that the two most influential science journals in the world, Nature and Science magazines, devote approximately 50% of their pages to slick advertisements, mostly from biotechnology, pharmaceutical and chemical companies. The same is true for the top mainstream medical journals. Editorial boards of all of them are stacked with fanatical advocates of biotechnology and drugs, millionaire doctors and scientists with personal financial vested interests in continuance of the corporate-dominance in science and medicine. Against this backdrop, any scientific or health-related discovery which would disempower the multinationals must remain small-scale and relatively hidden, or risk being smashed to bits. Internet is the only true "free market" information resource, with "open competition" for new ideas andapproaches.J.D.===Electronic Edition.. ... RACHEL'S ENVIRONMENT HEALTH NEWS #725 ... ---May 24, 2001--- ... HEADLINES: ... THE ENEMIES OF DEMOCRACY ... == ... Environmental Research Foundation ... P.O. Box 5036, Annapolis, MD 21403 ... Fax (410) 263-8944; E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... == ... All back issues are available by E-mail: send E-mail to ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the single word HELP in the message. ... Back issues are also available from http://www.rachel.org. ... To start your own free subscription, send E-mail to ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words ... SUBSCRIBE RACHEL-NEWS YOUR FULL NAME in the message. ... The Rachel newsletter is now also available in Spanish; ... to learn how to subscribe in Spanish, send the word ... AYUDA in an E-mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. .=THE ENEMIES OF DEMOCRACYThe enemies of democracy are flexing their muscles. A corporate front group calling itself Frontiers of Freedom has petitioned U.S. tax officials to revoke the tax-exempt status of Rainforest Action Network (RAN), a major environmental organization (www.ran.org). If successful, the petition would put Rainforest Action Network out of business, and would open the door for lethal attacks on other environmental advocates. Frontiers of Freedom acknowledged to the WALL STREET JOURNAL that, if successful against RAN, "it will challenge other environmental groups."[1]Frontiers of Freedom was founded in 1995 by Malcolm Wallop, a former U.S. Senator (R-Wyo.) and "friend of vice-president Dick Cheney," according to the WALL STREET JOURNAL. The JOURNAL reports that Frontiers is funded by Philip Morris Companies, R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Holdings, Inc., and the Exxon Mobil Corporation.This latest corporate attack on freedom of speech, freedom of association and freedom of assembly, is not random. It is part of an accelerating campaign to replace representative democracy with control by corporate elites.Now a new book, TRUST US, WE'RE EXPERTS! by Sheldon Rampton and John Stauber, provides a chilling, documented history of ongoing corporate efforts to use propaganda and "public relations" to distort science, manipulate public opinion, discredit democracy, and consolidate political power in the hands of a wealthy few.[2]The Big Idea behind the anti-democratic corporate-power movement is that people cannot be trusted to make political decisions because they are irrational, emotional, and illogical. This cynical view of humans is widely held by the public relations industry's experts but also by the scientific experts they employ to 'guide' the public. For example, physics professor H.W. Lewis (University of California, Santa Barbara), a well-known risk assessor, says people worry about non-problems like nuclear waste and pesticides because they are irrational and poorly educated. "The common good is ill served by the democratic process," he says. (pg. 111)If people are not rational they cannot be guided by reason, so they must be manipulated through emotion, PR experts say (thus justifying their own propaganda services). For example, a spokesperson for Burson-Marsteller, a PR firm that manipulates the public on behalf of Philip Morris, Monsanto, Exxon Mobil and others, told the Society of Chemical Industry in London in 1989, "All of this research is helpful in figuring
Re: [CTRL] CNN: Condit denies urging anyone to mislead in Levy case
-Caveat Lector- Police originally said she disappeared April 30, but an analysis of the laptop computer in Levy's apartment found she sent an e-mail message on May 1, the source said. She was last reported seen April 30 at her Washington gym. As I mentioned in a previous post, the only thing this shows is that an email was sent from the computer on that date...it doesn't show WHO was sitting at the computer sending the message purporting to be from Levy. Somehow this girl disappeared from a highly secured apartment building, with no trace recorded on the 24-hour video recording system in the building. If it was possible to remove Levy with no trace, it is just as possible for someone else to enter and leave the apartment without leaving a trace... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Cooper cracks Chandra Levy case!
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: Fact: Congressman Condit was married and had a wife, far, far away in Modesto, California, Yes, but strangely, that wife was right there in River City on the day in question. Makes for an interesting possibility. Prudy Indeed it does. Which is why, in a previous post, I mentioned the wife as a possible suspect. June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: SIGHTINGS
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: Well Donna J. Logan aka June aka the Rev. Coal - you had claimed your father was the local dog catcher and this was when you were kicked off this one list for being such a trouble maker and so obnoxious. What list do you claim I was kicked off of? I have quit many lists, but never been kicked off of any. You have consistently displayed an inability to keep simple facts straight. The simple fact is, my father at one time (mid- to late-1950s) was the canine control officer for our town. He applied, and was subsequently hired, for the position of Canine Control Officer with the state Department of Agriculture, a position he filled until his death in 1971; at the time my father became an employee of the state, our town asked my mother to take over my father's position, which she did, and which she filled until the mid-1960s. Both parents were written about many times in local papers, and my father had quite a nice article written about him in the Bridgeport Post (now the Connecticut Post) when he died, so it is all very verifiable, Aleisha June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Who is AGENT PROVOCATEUR?
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: So we know this individual does not fly the Gay Pride Flag and that leaves out June; Where do you get off saying I fly a gay pride flag? Closest thing I have is a 'rainbow trout' windsock which is sold by most kite and windsock/flag outfits, but which someone on Ebay now touts as a 'gay' symbol, which I think is a hoot. however, June (aka Donna J. Logan, and the Rev. Donna, etc, etc, etc) passed herself off as a bonafide Preacher numerous times on other lists. As bona fide as any of the mailorder churches are... The credentials state that I supposedly have the legal right to conduct marriages, funerals, etc., but I've never tested it. And I've always been honest about my credentials, which were bought for me as a gift for 'services rendered' as it were No doubt she was associated with Anton LaVey's Church of Satan No, the name is Rev. COAL...COAL is the church, I'll let you try to figure it out... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Who is AGENT PROVOCATEUR?
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: So the dog catcher's daughter is a liar . the not so reverend Donna J. Logan, aka Rev. Coal, aka June, aka whatever .. I've never lied about any aspect of my life, COLLEEN...I have always been most open about my name and how legitimate (or otherwise) my 'Rev' credentials are...I have never claimed otherwise. No one holds a candle to you when it comes to lying, COLLEEN... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: SIGHTINGS
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: You seem to always try to get others removed from lists but this one which I ran acrosss, they gave you the big boot for you were a very disruptive element which they found they could no longer tolerate? So you write to Amelia and ask her for a copy; I do not have time to fool around with ou any further. As I said, no one holds a candle to you when it comes to lying, COLLEEN... Name one list I've been removed from. It has been let us say quite a bore - from green tea to the dog catchers daughter - to Plum Island which obviously you know nothing about other than what you glean from the work of others. I never claimed I knew anything about Plum Island, other than what I've posted, which quite succinctly stated that I'd READ about it in a local paper. You, OTOH, continue to make extraordinary claims, COLLEEN, for which you consistently refuse to provide proof or any sort of substantiantion. Forgive me for as they say I laughed my tiny behind off Watch it, COLLEEN...that was one of the things your ex-hubby said caused him to leave you, that he couldn't stand your bony ass...you laugh what little you have off, then you'll just have sharp bones... Your hubby told me being in bed with you was like sleeping in a bed full of wire hangers... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Dallas Morning News: Obituaries (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:18:42 -0500 To: Multiple recipients of JFK_News Subject: The Dallas Morning News: Obituaries JFK News -- Click Here: A HREF=http://www.dallasnews.com/obituaries/406985_dixonobit_30me.html;The Dallas Morning News: Obituaries/A Rites set for Robert Dixon, 65 UP chief retired after 41-year police career 06/30/2001 By Lee Zethraus / The Dallas Morning News Former University Park Police Chief Robert O. Dixon had started to follow through on his retirement plans. He was drafting stories based on cases he'd worked during his 41-year career, family members said. But those stories will be left unfinished. Mr. Dixon, 65, who also served with the Dallas Police Department, died early Thursday at Baylor University Medical Center in Dallas of complications from Devic syndrome, a disease similar to multiple sclerosis, said his son, Doug Dixon. Services will at 12:30 p.m. Monday at Restland Memorial Chapel. A viewing is scheduled from 3 to 5 p.m. Sunday at Restland Funeral Home. Doug Dixon said his father was the quintessential police officer. It was his whole life, said Mr. Dixon, who added that his father would be buried in his University Park chief's uniform. He loved Dallas. He loved University Park. And he loved being a policeman. Robert Dixon retired from University Park in January 2000. He was hired by the city in 1985, the year he retired from the Dallas department. He did a wonderful job and served our community well, said University Park Mayor Harold Peek. He always conducted himself with the highest ethical principles and integrity. He was a good man. Mr. Dixon started in Dallas in 1958 as a patrol officer. He earned a bachelor's degree in law enforcement/police science in 1972 from Sam Houston State University and a master's in liberal arts in 1977 from Southern Methodist University. One of his first beats was to patrol portions of Oak Cliff. In 1963, he was assigned to the security detail at Market Center the day President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas. His regular beat was the evening relief for Officer J.D. Tippit, who was shot that day by Lee Harvey Oswald. Mr. Dixon told The Dallas Morning News in 1999 that he worked his regular shift that evening, thinking that was the best way he could help in the tragic situation. He was promoted to detective, lieutenant and captain. He served as director of internal affairs and eventually was named deputy chief, serving in the central patrol and criminal investigations divisions. The former chief said he had worked many cases, but the ones in University Park during recent years that were especially shocking. They included a murder-for-hire scheme and the slaying of a University Park mother in front of her three children. Retired Dallas Capt. Doyle Tolleson said he and Mr. Dixon became friends while working in internal affairs. The main thing was that he tried to treat everybody fairly, Mr. Tolleson said. In addition to his son, Mr. Dixon is survived by his wife of 46 years, Dorothy Dixon of Rowlett; grandchildren Michelle Schupbach, Aaron Dixon and Andy Dixon; two great-granddaughters, Taylor Schupbach and Breayna Schupbach, both of Mesquite; and a sister, Shirley Perkins of Linden, Texas. Members of the University Park Police Department will serve as pallbearers, and the Dallas Police Department will provide an honor guard, Mr. Dixon said. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Aleisha's Sexual Identity Problem (was: Good Example of None Dare Call it Propaganda)
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: I remember being a young boy in Jericho when The American Council came Really, Aleisha! When in your life did you change from the male sex to ostensibly the female sex? ;-) June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Aleisha's Sexual Identity Crises 2 (was: Hashish grows...)
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: I once ran for public office and I won - and I was a woman... In one post you say you were a boy...now you say 'I was a woman'...'was' as in past tense, meaning no longer being So you were a boy...then you 'was a woman'...what are you now? ;-) but then I also ran once and wrote a speech for a joke, Everything you write is a joke. that the local ColumbusTabloid reported picked up and used What Aleisha fails to mention is that it was Mental Health Week, and the local paper used her speech as an example of someone most needing help. I lost this one but still ended up in the winner's circle Like the thoroughbred you are, eh Aleisha...? You DO know what the term 'thoroughbred' means, don't you Aleisha, and how thoroughbreds are created? So it is said we are judged by every word that proceedeth out of our mouths. Indeed you are, Aleisha, indeed you are... So Joshua 2, you are still an asshole; June, you are still a fat assked No fat has ever asked me anything As for how I look, you only WISH you looked as good as I do... Your ex-hubby had no complaints regarding my physical attributes... old bat; I'm still younger than you, dear, still younger than you... ;-) and c - I don't know what the hell you are, and frankly my dear, I do not give a rats ass. Don't be so free in offering your ass, Aleisha...you'll get 'a rep' as we used to say back in highschool... Saba Always in the Winner's Circle With the rest of the old nags...soon to be at the glue factory... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Who is AGENT PROVOCATEUR?
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Jeff Russo wrote: We have a new poster, Agent Provocateur. It is time for the usual speculation as to which current or former CTRL personality this person really is. The mail is from an easily-gotten Yahoo account. The odds: Bill Cooper 7/2 Colleen Jones8/1 Henry Ayre 12/1 Peter Anthony30/1 flw 100/1 Mike Spitzer200/1 Prudy 800/1 nessie 800/1 Kris 1000/1 Aw, heck! I'm not worth even a mention?;-) June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: SIGHTINGS
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: Anyway look at the Connection re the Department of Agriculture and then June's story aka Donna J. Logan aka the Rev. Donna Coal.she states her father was with the Connecticut Department of Agriculture? Yep, from the late 1950s until his death in 1971. And don't think you're being brilliant in discovering a connection with the Dept. of Agriculture, either on the state or federal level...others who are far and away your betters have already written on such connections Made a nice unbelievable storyJune is a jackass of all trades I don't hold a candle to you in that regards... Shame shame - telliong such a big lie. Prove that anything I said is a lie. My father said what he said...never mentioned the name of the island, so perhaps it wasn't Plum Island but another island 'in' or 'by' Long Island... Or are you claiming that I'm lying about my father working for the state's Department of Agriculture? And the New Haven Advocate DID carry a story on Plum Island. Since you're so hep on doing research, look it up...you can also research my father, he was written about in the papers enough (as was my mother)...his full name was David Donaldson Logan, Jr. Died in March of 1971. Can't give you his birthdate, because apparently he fudged a bit on that in WWII to get into the Army when he was underaged...when he died we found records giving at least 3 different birth years... Money man turns out to be a girl, who is taller sitting down than standing up.They were suspicious when they found a rose tattoo on monkey man's rear end, with lightning bolt and itsy bitsy stars engraved upon its big fat ass. Well then, it couldn't be there, since that is not the area of my body where I have my tattoo... ;-) written by the late great Rev. Coal Take a look at my email address...hardly 'late great'... SABA NOTE; Put her in the zoo. At least I would be alive and well-fed. You, OTOH, are headed for the glue factory or meat processing plant...where all the old nags go... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Sexual Identity Crises 2 (was: Hashish grows...)
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, c. wrote: Only at the Boroden man for he liked receiving free milkthat was when we still had door to door delivery - and this one milkman was adorble with big blue eyes and the sweetest smile. it don't matter what they look like when you're whoring. bottom line is quality dairy products- and lots of 'em. Back when I was a teenager, the term 'giving milk' meant having sex...and answering 'yes' to the question 'do you like milk?' meant you liked to have sex... Sounds like Aleisha liked to both give and get milk... But I suspect that in her case, it curdled ;-) That's why her hubby left her...he wanted some fresh cream instead of Aleisha's curds and whey Also knew a millionaire plumber who used to do our our plumbing free you do know what that is a euphimism for, dontcha? and i bet i'd have to pay extra. or have diamonds or something to give you. herpes mibbe. I betcha that plumber gave Aleisha the ol' Rotor Rooter treatment. ;-) June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dangers of the New Age movement
-Caveat Lector- What do 'conflict diamonds' have to do with the subject line of the post, Dangers of the New Age movement...? June === Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Muslim Cleric Calls for Death of Author Who Wrote on Islam
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You better buy an American history book that was written at least 50 years ago-if you want any thing near the truth. Anything written later than that is a waste of paper. Generally, true...but ANY history book will show that the American colonists did NOT 'go to war over the Declaration of Independence' as Aleisha opined, since the Declaration wasn't written and ratified until over a year AFTER hostilities broke out... June === Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AP: Wayne DuMond, Convicted Castrated Rapist, Charged With Murder
-Caveat Lector- This displays the point that rape is not a crime about sex, but a crime of power and control and dominance, and hate against women, where sex is the main weapon, any traditional weapons such as guns or knives that are utilized actually being only secondary adjuncts to facilitate utilizing the primary weapon of sex. Castrating such individuals will not necessarily solve anything (although in theory I have no problem with it as a possible deterrent if it was a punishment doled out by official representatives of the state), as these individuals still have the primary issues of their obsessive need to dominate and 'punish' women... June === Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Muslim Cleric Calls for Death of Author Who Wrote on Islam
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: Now Benjamin Franklin and William Hogarth see their hand in this document for this Article I, Section 8 The Declaration of Independence doesn't have any Articles or Sections... you can be sure - well look at all the stuff Benjamin Franklin invented even unto almost getting knocked on his can with a kite... Franklin 'invented' nothing with his infamous experiment, neither the kite, the key, nor the theory that prompted his experiment. Such experiments had been done throughout Europe for more than a decade before Franklin's attempt, and he was merely trying to recreate what had already been done. But Franklin was his own best publicist, and succeeded in 'selling' the idea that he'd 'discovered' something that no one else had... Because the other experimenters had only published their findings in obscure scientific journals; Franklin trumpeted his feat to the general public... ;-) Finally, a decade of conflicts between the British government and the colonists, beginning with the Stamp Act crisis in 1765, led to the outbreak of war in 1775 and the Declaration of Independence in 1776. So you see, Aleisha, you were wrong to state that the war BEGAN over 'a piece of paper' called the Declaration of Independence. ©2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Terms of Use Advertise TRUSTe Approved Privacy Statement If you think any history book printed in the past 50 years is questionable, then you should be pretty leery of any history courtesy of Microsoft... June === Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NYP: FLY GAL: CONDIT DIDN'T WANT TO 'PULL A NEWT'
-Caveat Lector- Condit's wife, Carolyn, is said to be ailing, but the exact nature of her illness is not known. Is she too ill to knock off a rival? Or to arrange for someone else to do so? What exactly is known regarding Mrs. Condit, and her background? Smith reportedly claimed she was in love with Condit. She added that he never showed signs of violent tendencies, the sources said. Perhaps because Smith never made any demands or ultimatums on Condit, as Levy may have done? For example, on April 30, the last day Levy was seen, Condit was picked up by staff, had lunch at the White House and worked in Congress for four hours before heading home for dinner with his wife. What exactly does 'worked in Congress' mean? Does he have an eyewitness for every single moment of the day? What exact time did he leave work, and what exact time did he arrive home 'for dinner with his wife'...? Of course, such information is moot if he hired someone else to take care of Levy for him... Smith told investigators she met Condit on a Washington-to-San Francisco flight as he was handing out his business card to her and fellow flight attendants, sources said. Was he only giving his card to the flight attendents, or to everyone else on board? If only to the flight attendents, it would seem that he was looking for something more than potential votes... In late winter, Smith has said she started becoming suspicious that Condit was two-timing her with another woman Strange phrasing to describe an affair with a married man; seems she was okay with the fact that he was married, but started getting pissed off when she discovered she wasn't the only chippy he had on the side... and admitted she once poked around the congressman's condo in Washington to look for evidence but never found anything. Sounds very much like Smith was jealous of Levy...in which case, Smith herself can be a very likely suspect in Levy's disappearance. We only have her word for it that she 'never found anything' when she 'poked around' Condit's condo June === Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Protect Your Children from the Invasion of the Lesbians and Homosexual
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: Some years back I watched a homosexual/lesbianelement invate our schools as bus drivers, and into the NEAsaw one homosexual get his hands on 3 little kids Once again, homosexuality has absolutely NOTHING to do with pedophilia. When heterosexual men sexually molest little girls, why don't you post laments about this heterosexual element that wants to get their hands on our children? about the same age as the kids this Paula Poundstone got her lewd hands on - for the charges against he are lews and lascivicious behavior - doe she think this is funny. What is it about our system of goverment and of jurisprudence, where one is PRESUMED INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, that you have a problem with? Poundstone has been charged with lewd and lascivious behavior, she has not been TRIED AND CONVICTED. She is presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty. Children do not have a 'sexual orientation' Mr Lessard, they cultivate one as their sexual nature develops through puberty -- This is bullshit. All homo sapiens are sexual beings, no matter what their age, even tho some sexually repressed individuals would like to deny the fact that children before puberty have sexual feelings. I'd like to know how many heterosexuals feel they had to 'cultivate' their sexual orientationI know I didn't. My orientation just 'was'...I didn't have to think about who I was attracted to, when such feelings began to emerge... Why then say that homosexuals had to 'cultivate' theirs? They all say they just 'knew' who they were attracted to from an early age, just as we heteros knew who we were attracted to... meet them early on can influence them one way or another. No one is born gay, and this claim has never been proven. Since nature itself dictates, even on a molecular level, the male/female construct for the whole blessed universe, The author displays his or her abject ignorance of biology. Nothing in the nature of human sexuality urges one to penetrate a rectum where feces passes, much less to do anything else with it that doesn't strictly involve evacuation of the bowels. T Guess what? Heterosexual men and women engage in the very same practice...in fact, I've never met a straight man who didn't get turned on over the idea of engaging in anal sex with a woman...their only problem is in finding a willing partner... ;-) Are you going to wage a campaign of hate against such couples too? Obviously SOMETHING in 'the nature of human sexuality' urges these heterosexual couples to engage in the practice...and also in such practices such as 'fisting', BD, SM, 'golden showers', rubber or fur fetishists and other such 'gourmet' sexual practices... Do you also have a problem with oral sex (other than the fact that you can't get any?)? After all, that's putting one's mouth over another area of elimination... The very activity of anal sex represent a 0mock desire (and denial) for penile/vaginal intercourse, expressed in the act of perversion with wrong orifice. What's your explanation for straight couples engaging in the very same practice? What is it about the concept of it feels good that you can't seem to grasp? The sphincter muscle of the rectum tells us it's for 'outgoing' only. Only human beings bent on defying nature will intrude on nature to such sickening degrees. Then I guess you feel that heterosexuals engaging in anal sex are also 'sickening'? Also, the vagina is 'outgoing only' also. In fact, that is what keeps the vagina clean. It is designed to facilitate the expulsion of monthly menses, and the occasional infant. Using your twisted logic, the insertion of a penis into a vagina is therefore 'wrong', and is an act 'defying nature' too... June === Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
Re: [CTRL] Breast Cancer
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, Steve wrote: There's no doubt that a lot of nasty stuff is secreted in ALL fluids leaving the body, e.g., sweat, lachrymal, urine, saliva, blood, semen/vaginal, feces, open lesions, etc., etc. Most waste is excreted in the kidneys, not the skin. If skin was a major source for waste excretion, we people with kidney failure would just go to a sweat lodge instead of receiving dialysis. And people would smell like urine, and have to bathe several times daily. (Sounds like the Greys. :) I suggest you get a basic textbook on medical biology, and read the chapter on skin. If I can find my old nursing textbooks, I'll post the text regarding the skin being ONE of the major organs of elimination. No, it's not the only one and no, it doesn't supercede the kidneys. But try compromising the skin's ability to expel toxins, and see what happens... June === Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NYP: FLY GAL: CONDIT DIDN'T WANT TO 'PULL A NEWT'
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: Why June so quick to accuse Mrs. Condit of murder? More accurately, it's a case of not being so quick to EXCLUDE any viable suspect. Her husband seems to be a philanderer; perhaps Mrs. Condit tolerates this, especially if she is in ill health, as long as they are only 'meaningless flings' with no threat to her lifestyle. If Condit DID break it off with Levy, and if Levy DID 'take it hard', as some reports have presented, perhaps Mrs. Condit found Levy a threat to her own security... Just conjecture. Any good detective would consider ALL possible suspects, and as the 'injured wife', Mrs. Condit makes a prime one. Why don't you give her the same consideration you gave to Paula Poundstone, the comedian who is not laughing who was arrested for lewd and lasiviious behavior involving her foster children and adopted chidren? I'm only considering Mrs. Condit as a POSSIBLE SUSPECT, I did not say FOR A FACT that she indeed did it or had someone else do it for her. Later in my post I posit that the flight attendent girlfriend of Condit's is just as viable a SUSPECT. And I stated in another post that if Poundstone is GUILTY, I hope they lock her up and throw away the key. But until then she is PRESUMED INNOCENT. I would say the same thing if and when anyone gets charged with anything in Levy's disappearance and presumed murder... $200,000 bail is pretty high but again, Paul Poundstone said she always read the sodomy laws before going to any state... And your PROOF for this alleged statement is? Hey June, what do you do with an ugly Lesbian who rapes or molests little chidren - castrate this pervert? It obviously didn't work in your case...you're still ugly and perverted. June === Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Breast Cancer
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Steve wrote: No, it's not the only one and no, it doesn't supercede the kidneys. But try compromising the skin's ability to expel toxins, and see what happens... It is strange, just last week you were saying the Breast Cancer post was a hoax. It is. One of the things I pointed out that shows how ignorant the composer of the hoax is regarding human physiology is in the statement that only certain areas of the body's surface expel toxins. That is not true, the entire skin is one organ, and every area of skin expels toxins. I don't know how you turn that statement into an affirmation of the premise that using antiperspirants cause breast cancer... June === Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AP: Wayne DuMond, Convicted Castrated Rapist,
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, flw wrote: Rape is impossible without sexual arousal by the male. Untrue. There have been cases of impotent men raping women, using some other object than their penis. Claiming rape is not sexual but political I never said it wasn't sexual and I definitely never said it was political. What I said -- read my lips so you can get this clearly -- is that it is a crime of dominance, power, and hatred against women, where sex is the primary weapon. It is a fallacy to deem rape as nothing more than sexual arousal out of control. Infants have been raped, as have bed-ridden elderly women in their 90s. This book is a breath of fresh air. For more than two decades we have been bullied by feminists abetted by social scientists to believe that rape is a political, not a sexual, crime. Again, I never claimed rape was 'political', and I don't believe it is so. But dismissing it as nothing more than out-of-control sexual arousal will never solve the problem of rape. Rape is a crime of dominance and power...this is obvious in the case of prison rape. It is not so obvious in societal rape. Yet until that aspect is addressed in dealing with rapists, they will continue to repeat their crime, and in many cases escalate to murder when rape no longer provides the power-thrill it once did. The case mentioned in the original post demonstrates this...even though the rapist was castrated, which in your opinion would have solved the problem since the man was no longer capable of sexual arousal, he then went and attacked a woman, obviously in a sexual manner since he repeated his modus operandi regarding the victim's bra...but unfortunately he then went on to kill the victim. So obviously castration by itself does NOT solve the problem of rape. One has to get to the root of WHY these men have a need to dominate women in such a manner, and find out the basis for their deep-seated hatred of women. Personally, I believe that once an adult male has reached such a point that he's actually attacking women in such a manner, that he is beyond being permanently 'reformed', and should be locked up forever. But we perhaps can find out what makes them that way, so the warning signs can be identified early in boys and teenage males... June === Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Muslim Cleric Calls for Death of Author Who Wrote on Islam
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: But then people went to war over a Document entitled the Declaration of Independence This statement once again proves what an idiot you are. I suggest you go to your local college and buy and READ their textbook for American Colonial History 101... I'll even give you a clue, Aleisha, as an early Independence Day gift: The American Revolutionary War started in April 1775; the Declaration of Independence wasn't drafted until the late spring of 1776 and ratified in July of 1776. June === Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Breast Cancer
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: Stupid hoax Steve - really. Bill Richer was nice enough to send this out with good intentions? Yes, and the exact same hoax was spammed to this list weeks ago, and it was pointed out at that time not only that it is a hoax, but it was also pointed out what specifically in the hoax was bullshit pseudo-science. So one has to wonder about the agenda of those who insist on spamming hoaxes to the list even after the subject has been shown to be a hoax... You are a nasty little bastard. He doesn't hold a candle to you in that regard... Further for your informtion poisons often re absorbed through the skin... True. But that is not what the hoax post says. Strange, Arrid went the way of Ivory soap - nobody really much uses it anymore and they have gone quietly into remission Strange that stores carry it. If it didn't sell, it wouldn't remain on their shelves. June === Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Muslim Cleric Calls for Death of Author Who Wrote on Islam
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, c. wrote: You two would make an ideal couple; that is, however, if you like females who are taller sitting down than standing up? another obsession of yours is that you keep using weight as an ad hominem attack. it happens a lot. that and calling women pig. i guess you are one of these tall leggy types I doubt it. People who fixate on certain aspects in other people are really having problems coming to terms with those same aspects in themselves. I got the 'short' aspect of her strange analogy, but fail to see where it relates to weight. when i read your posts i hear cartman's voice. anyone else got a cool fantasy voice for saba? Dana Carvey's Church Lady... Isn't THATSPECIAL! Or Lily Tomlin's switchboard operator who speaks in a real nasal voice and snorts like a pig... So as the sailor's used to say, put a flag over her head and do it for Old Gay Pride? hung around a few harbour bars have we aleisha? *wink* It would seem so. She seems to have much more knowledge in these matters than I do. Me, I'm just a plain old heterosexual female who's never had any complaints from any of the men I've been with ;-) June === Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Classic
-Caveat Lector- Great Britain taxed the colonists at far lower rates than Americans tolerate today -- True, but it was a combination of WHAT was taxed, and HOW the taxes were collected that the colonists...especially those in Massachusetts colony, found 'intolerable' (an additional 'Intolerable Act' was the fact that King George disbanded the colonial parliaments and established his own appointees from England in the offices of colonial governors, which had previously been held by colonists)... Yet the colonists did rebel. It's hard to imagine, today, the faith and courage of a few hundred frozen musketmen, setting off across the darkened Delaware, gambling their lives and farms on the chance they could engage and defeat the greatest land army in the history of the known world, armed with only two palpable assets: one irreplaceable man to lead them, and some flimsy newspaper reprints of a parchment declaring: We hold these Truths to be self-evident, Well, as I pointed out in another post, the Declaration of Independence wasn't written until more than a year after hostilities had broken out at Lexington and Concord. And it was a hard sell...many colonists who strongly objected to King George's policies towards the American colonies and even understood and supported the fighting balked at making the final break from England...most colonists still considered themselves loyal subjects of England, even as they were firing upon the military forces of England. Today we refer to 'the English' when referring to whom we fought against in the Revolutionary War...but not one colonist thought that way at the time, because the term 'the English' meant the colonists too... The American Revolution was in fact our first civil war... The War for American Independence began over unregistered untaxed guns, To be precise, that was the spark that set off the powderkeg that had been simmering for a decade over many issues... when British forces attempted to seize arsenals of rifles, powder, and ball from the hands of ill-organized Patriot militias in Lexington and Concord. Where does the author get off calling the colonial militias 'ill-organized'; if the Lexington and Concord militias had been ill-organized, the 'lobsterbacks' (which was the derogatory term that American colonists used to describe the British troops) would have found the local militia in bed rather than finding them standing in formation on the town green... It could be argued that the American colonial militias were BETTER organized and BETTER trained than the British troops; granted, the British army was considered one of the best armies of its day, but it wazs trained in the strict rules of European warfare. The colonial militias, OTOH, were responsible for maintaining law, order, and the safety of their families on the frontier, especially from occasional attack by local Indians. They therefore trained regularly, and were extremely well organized. American civilians shot and killed scores of those government agents as they marched back to Boston. Are those Minutemen still our heroes? Or do we now consider them dangerous terrorists and depraved government-haters? There was no question at the time...the 'lobsterbacks' considered the rebel colonists as 'terrorists', and were quite put out that they did not 'fight correctly', meaning that the colonists waged what we have come to label 'guerrilla warfare', tactics they had learned from their Native American adversaries... The 'lobsterbacks' considered such fighting 'barbaric'...it just 'was not done'...and unfortunately afterwards the rebel colonial military leaders decided that rather than be thought 'barbaric', they would fight 'by the rules', which explains why 'we' didn't do so well after the initial 'victories' at Lexington/Concord, Bunker Hill, and Fort Ticonderoga... If we'd maintained such guerrilla tactics, the war would probably have ended in our favor much sooner... June === Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not
Re: [CTRL] Clintons' hit squad
-Caveat Lector- From: Steve: Bush even set up the economy for Clinton so that those who are ignorant would believe the booming economy was created by Clinton. I seriously doubt this is true. Bush created a mini recession that continued into the early Clinton years. The recession continued into the Clinton administration, but the Clinton administration manipulated things so that the spin put on it made it seem like the economy was doing better than it really was... Case in point...I was laid off during the administration of Bush Sr. I duly reported to my local unemployment office, registered to collect unemployment but also got along doing temporary and/or part-time work... Even though some weeks I made more than would get me an unemployment check, I was still kept on the list for the full term I was unemployed, which was just over 3 months. In early 1993 I was laid off again...this was just at the beginning of the first Clinton administration, and again I was kept on the unemployment list for the full 36 weeks allowed, even though many weeks I got no unemployment compensation because of either still getting 'golden parachute' payouts from my ex-employer, or working part-time or temp jobs... But when I again found myself 'between jobs' a few years later, if I had 4 weeks (which did not have to be consecutive) where I was not paid an unemployment check due to making 'too much' from a part-time or temp job, I was immediately dropped from the unemployment list. In other words, if I had a temp job for one week that paid me too much to collect unemployment, and then I didn't have another temp/contract position for another week which then only lasted 2 weeks, and then I had to wait a couple of days before the agencies found me another temp/contract position, I ended up being dropped from the unemployment rolls because even though I had periods of unemployment between the temp positions, they added up to 4 weeks of what was deemed 'employment'. The way they were now keeping records, as long as there were 4 weeks in total where you didn't get paid unemployment, they decided you were 'employed'. The 4 weeks could have occured over a span of several months, it didn't matter. To continue collecting, I would have had to report again, and file a whole new set of paperwork. I didn't bother. Yet I knew that I was not alone in this category...many well-trained workers (especially in the data processing and tech fields) who got laid off and got by' doing part-time and temp/contract work at a fraction of the salary we used to get...but the Clinton administration could point to the monthly unemployment statistics and claim that 'unemployment is down'...when in reality they were dropping people from the lists who previously would have remained on the lists for months, albeit without getting unemployment checks because we were working these part-time and/or temp jobs... June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Clintons' hit squad
-Caveat Lector- From: Tito Hammond I seriously doubt this is true. Bush created a mini recession that continued into the early Clinton years. What is your source for this recession? http://www.gserc.usm.edu/united_states_economy.htm As Mark Twain once opined, You have lies, and you have god-damned lies, and then you have statistics... As I explained in a previous post, the Clinton administration manipulated things so that it would SEEM that things were better, when they in fact were not. People like me were being dropped from unemployment and deemed employed' when we were lucky to be scraping by making a fraction of what we d made when really employed. While perhaps technically true that we were employed', it was a gross distortion to then claim that 'employment is up' when you had computer programmers, engineers, and other technical people working in clerical positions just to keep a roof over their heads... The 'employment figures' during the Clinton administration don't show the thousands of highly trained factory workers who'd previously made good salaries who found themselves without jobs when their factories pulled up roots and moved south of the border, and these workers now had to get by flipping burgers or working part-time clerical jobs... It also doesn't reflect the fact that not only did these workers finds themselves having to work for a fraction of their previous salaries, but also found that they no longer had medical/dental insurance, did not get paid holidays or paid vacations... But heck, according to the Clinton administration, we were 'employed'...and we were the ones included in those figures they presented to bolster the claim that 'employment is up'. June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com for: Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
