Re: GDG in deferred roll-in status

2006-07-20 Thread Joe jeffries
Thanks guys, I feel so much better. That's why i couldn't remember the command, there isn't one. There are tons of these at our site and they are all left over from many many moons ago. IE. The one in deferred rollin state is G0049V00 whereas the (say) 2 entries are G0934V00 and G0935V00

Re: GDG in deferred roll-in status

2006-07-20 Thread R.S.
Bruce Black wrote: Can't remember the command to remove the entry from the base but keep the dataset or, for another example get rid altogether. a DEFERRED generation is not really part of the base. In the catalog, there is a GDG sphere record for the base, with all the generations

Re: GDG in deferred roll-in status

2006-07-20 Thread John Kington
Joe, IE. The one in deferred rollin state is G0049V00 whereas the (say) 2 entries are G0934V00 and G0935V00 This could happen if G0049V00 was restored by DFSMSdss after it had rolled out of the GDG and the number of generations was already at the limit or the TGTGDS parameter was set or allowed

Re: GDG in deferred roll-in status

2006-07-20 Thread John Kington
Tom, However, there is a flag in the NVR that says I am a deferred generation (probably in the catalog as well) and I don't know what trouble that might cause later. Wouldn't that be the same flag, Bruce? As I understand it, the BCS just points to the volume and everything else is kept in

Re: GDG in deferred roll-in status

2006-07-20 Thread Bruce Black
Somethings, like the SMS classes are stored in BOTH the catalog and VVDS. I don't recall if the GDG flag is among them (I'm at home now, no references) now that I am at the office, I verified that there is an attribute byte that is both in the catalog and the NVR (if it is SMS) for GDGs. It

Re: GDG in deferred roll-in status

2006-07-20 Thread Bruce Black
Where is the content of the BCS documented? Unfortunately, nowhere. There was the infamous Catalog Diagnosis Reference which had catalog and VVDS layouts but the last version was for MVS/XA many years ago, before SMS. I believe that the SMS class names and this SMS attribute byte are the

Re: GDG in deferred roll-in status

2006-07-19 Thread John Kington
Joe, Can't remember the command to remove the entry from the base but keep the dataset or, for another example get rid altogether. I use IDCAMS alter command to add deferred GDS to the base: ALTER gdg.name.GVxx ROLLIN I use IDCAMS delete command to delete the dataset: DELETE

Re: GDG in deferred roll-in status

2006-07-19 Thread Joe jeffries
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:33:46 -0400, John Kington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use IDCAMS alter command to add deferred GDS to the base: ALTER gdg.name.GVxx ROLLIN Ok with this one. I need to leave it off. I use IDCAMS delete command to delete the dataset: DELETE gdg.name.GVxx Doesn't

Re: GDG in deferred roll-in status

2006-07-19 Thread Richards.Bob
: GDG in deferred roll-in status On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:33:46 -0400, John Kington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use IDCAMS alter command to add deferred GDS to the base: ALTER gdg.name.GVxx ROLLIN Ok with this one. I need to leave it off. I use IDCAMS delete command to delete the dataset: DELETE

Re: GDG in deferred roll-in status

2006-07-19 Thread John Kington
Joe, I use IDCAMS alter command to add deferred GDS to the base: ALTER gdg.name.GVxx ROLLIN Ok with this one. I need to leave it off. If you do not rollin the GDS, the next time that someone attempts to create a +1 generation, the system will locate it and write over it. You really want to

Re: GDG in deferred roll-in status

2006-07-19 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:17:16 -0400, Bruce Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, there is a flag in the NVR that says I am a deferred generation (probably in the catalog as well) and I don't know what trouble that might cause later. Wouldn't that be the same flag, Bruce? As I understand

Re: GDG in deferred roll-in status

2006-07-19 Thread Bruce Black
Wouldn't that be the same flag, Bruce? As I understand it, the BCS just points to the volume and everything else is kept in the VVDS. Somethings, like the SMS classes are stored in BOTH the catalog and VVDS. I don't recall if the GDG flag is among them (I'm at home now, no references) --