[CTRL] [endsecrecy] A Future Perfect
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: From: Remy C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: endsecrecy list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [endsecrecy] A Future Perfect Date: Thursday, May 18, 2000 6:23 PM [From a bunch of folks who think Globalization is a good thing. Interesting that there's not mention of Trilateral or Bilderberg in their index... Remy C] From: http://www.afutureperfect.com/interview.htm A conversation with John Micklethwait and Adrian Wooldridge, authors of A FUTURE PERFECT: The Challenge and Hidden Promise of Globalization Why did you write this book? Who is your target audience? A Future Perfect has two huge aims. The first is to try and make sense of this great, uneven, often wonderful, sometimes contradictory and occasionally cruel process that is globalization. The second is to build a defense of it a defense that both admits globalizations weaknesses and also relies on more than just dry economic figures. When most politicians or businesspeople try to defend globalization they talk about it increasing efficiency. Thats fine, but the same could be said for the lemon squeezer or the lavatory. Globalization, we think, needs to be connected to individual liberty. That is its hidden promise. About 800,000 Americans read the Economist, and we think every one of them is a potential reader. But wed also like to bring in readers who have never even read the Economist. Globalization affects us all, and we have tried to write a lively, opinionated book that everybody can understand. Yes, we deal with meaty questions, but we do so by looking at quirky businesses, like the sex industry and the funeral business, and introducing engaging people, like the king of Los Angeless Toytown, Charlie Woo. You point out that globalization means all sorts of things to all sorts of people. How do you define it? The simple answer is that it is a process of international integration of walls coming down and frontiers being undermined. But you have to remember two things. First, its not just a commercial phenomenon, but a political, social, and cultural one. Daimler buying Chrysler is part of globalization; but so too is the new Guggenheim Bilbao or grilled Chilean sea bass in a restaurant in Manhattan. And, second, globalization is an unfinished process, not a fait accomplit. The best way to think about globalization is as a series of waves crashing in on a shore. The winds driving these waves like deregulation and technology are real enough. But they have left behind an economy which is much less integrated than most people think. For instance, exports to Asia account for just 2.5% of Americas GDP: destroy Asia, and, for most firms, it would be like removing Milwaukee. And you can stretch the wave analogy in two other ways. There is definitely an undertow: the same winds that whip up, say, a global television channel like CNN or MTV also produce ever more local TV programming in most cities in the world. And, second, the tide can change: it can go out. Do you mean that globalization is reversible? Yes. By many measures the world was much more global 100 years ago. Pundits at the time babbled about how wonderful new things like the telephone meant that countries could never go to war, and that trade barriers would continue to fall. But globalization relies on political will. Look around the world, and many of the key political arguments between Islam and the West, Euroskeptics and Europhiles, the new Left and the old are all variations on this one underlying conflict. Globalization ought to win, but politically its a hard sell. Theres a backlash building up around the world witness the riots in Seattle and Washington, the conflicts between Europe and the United States over food, the growing resentment against American cultural imperialism that could wreck the current period of global integration. What do you consider the five biggest myths about globalization? First, that it means that big faceless corporations will rule. In fact globalization tends to help small firms, even small low-tech ones like the Madini familys perfumery in the Bazaar in Tangiers, by bringing the world to their door. Second, that it means the triumph of global products. There are very few Coca-Colas, and even that sugary substance has to change its formula just to keep different parts of Japan happy. Third, that it is a zero sum game where one part of the world has to lose for another to win: this is just plain wrong. Fourth, that it has changed basic economics: even such a powerful force as globalization cannot explain why shares should be worth 300 times earnings. And, fifth, that it has killed geography. If you remove barriers, the advantages that come from being based in a particular place, like Silicon Valley or Hollywood, matter more rather than less. Whats the main lesson you draw from the riots in Seattle last
[CTRL] Bongin' in the Balkans
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Kosovo Drug Threat
Albanian drug dealers and traffickers are flourishing in post-war Kosovo
By Imer Mushkolaj in Pristina (BCR No. 142, 23-May-00)
A group of Albanian youngsters sprawl over a sofa in one of Pristina's many
cafes. The teenagers, half-asleep, their eyes ringed by dark circles, are
victims of Kosovo's burgeoning drug culture.
A score of marijuana, the most popular drug in Kosovo, cost around ten German
marks. The distribution network is well-organised. Dozens of dealers - many of
them youths - supply hundreds of clients.
Ben is one such dealer. He makes at least ten sales a day, supplying marijuana
and hashish. "Nine months ago, when I started to deal, I only had a few
clients. Now I've got loads. Marijuana sells the best."
The drugs enter Kosovo by two routes, through Albania and Macedonia. Much of
the cannabis imported is consumed locally, whereas the more expensive drugs
like cocaine and heroin are shipped on to Albania en route to western Europe.
International narcotics experts believe the province's drug smugglers are
handling up to five tonnes of heroin a month, more than twice the quantity they
were trafficking before the war.
"It's coming through easier and cheaper - and there's much more of it," Marko
Nicovic, vice-president of the international enforcement officers association,
recently told the The Guardian newspaper.
"If this goes on we are predicting a heroin boom in western Europe on the same
scale as the one in the early 80s."
The Kosovo conflict forced Albanian drug traffickers to abandon the well-
established "Balkan route" - a smuggling channel from Afghanistan via Bulgaria,
Macedonia, Kosovo to western Europe.
But with the end of the conflict and the absence of robust law enforcement
agencies in Kosovo, the route is being revived, experts say.
In the immediate aftermath of the war, drugs began entering Kosovo from
Macedonia. Macedonian customs officers recently seized 465 kilos of cannabis on
the country's Albanian border.
At the same time, the porous border between Kosovo and Albania enabled
traffickers to ship drugs without much fear of capture.
Southern Albania is a major cannabis growing area, offering the impoverished
local community a much needed source of income. Once harvested, it is shipped
to the northeastern Albanian town of Kukes and then onto Prizren in Kosovo.
The reinforcement of KFOR patrols along the Kosovo-Albanian border has had some
impact on traffickers, forcing them to find alternative routes along that
frontier. One Kosovar dealer said he now uses secondary roads to transport
shipments, "though we now transport in smaller amounts," he conceded.
The dealer said he used to sell drugs in Germany, but returned to Kosovo last
year. He said he is now part of a well-organised network in Kosovo, which
operates under foreign control. "We work on instructions from our bosses
abroad, in Switzerland and Germany," he said.
The involvement of Albanian criminal gangs in drug trafficking is well-
documented. The Swiss media, in particular, has highlighted the number of
Albanians arrested in connection with drug offences there.
The international administration in Kosovo has so far preferred to set the
issue to one side.
UNMIK police sources said no-one was currently being held on drug-related
charges in Kosovo. The same source said the police were "carefully following
the situation" but he added, "we have more important matters to deal with."
The international administration's neglect of the drugs issue is creating ideal
conditions for the business to flourish. Burdened with a weak economy and
ramshackle law enforcement, the drugs mafia are finding the province an ideal
place to operate. Once such a culture is entrenched it will be very difficult
to uproot.
Imer Mushkollaj is editor-in-chief of the Kosovo Albanian daily "Epoka e re"
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[CTRL] OEN 5/26/00
from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Click Here: A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Diamond Market Diamond Wars in Africa Death is forever. A diamond company with concessions in war-torn Congo estimated to be worth more than $1bn, and which has links with the Zimbabwe and Congo governments, wants a London listing. The planned listing by Oryx, a Cayman Island-registered company, is certain to trigger questions about the extent to which trade in diamonds may be fuelling wars in Africa. Oryx's ownership of the concession in the Congo marks the first international agreement involving profit-sharing between two governments allied in Africa's most serious conflict. The disclosure comes as the British government steps up international efforts to stop the trade in diamonds from conflict zones ranging from Sierra Leone to Angola and Congo. Zimbabwe's military intervention in Congo since 1998 has cost President Robert Mugabe's government millions of dollars, straining the country's economy. In an effort to recover costs of the war, the Zimbabwe government and army have become involved in commercial ventures in the mineral-rich Congo. The success of the diamond venture, in which Zimbabwe is the main beneficiary, could prove critical to Mr Mugabe's cash-strapped government, which faces parliamentary elections next month. Oryx has a joint venture with companies owned by the Zimbabwe and Congolese governments. Details of the deal are revealed in Friday's edition of Africa Confidential, the London-based fortnightly newsletter. The Stock Exchange is understood to have investigated the planned listing of Oryx on the Alternative Investment Market, London's lightest regulated equity market, but has so far withheld judgment on the company. Oryx on Thursday night claimed that the output of the concession could not count as "conflict diamonds" because the area is not controlled by rebels. Oryx intends to list on June 13 through the reverse takeover of Petra Diamonds, a mining group already listed on AIM. The move allows the company to raise money or fund acquisitions through its paper. When Petra Diamonds announced the takeover of Oryx, it said that central and s outhern Africa hosted some of the best diamond deposits in the world and the directors believed that the potential rewards were substantial, even in the face of political challenges. According to the Petra announcement, the proposed executive chairman of the enlarged group is Thamer Al Shanfari, 32, who is described as a graduate of the Colorado School of Mining. The deputy managing director is Geoffrey White, 39, a science graduate with experience of business projects in Oman. One of the proposed non-executive directors is Ambassador Frances Cook, a former US state department official with a background in African affairs. Dr Moses Anafu, another proposed non executive director, is special adviser on political affairs in the Commonwealth Secretariat. Petra said Oryx had the commercial right to exploit its Congo concession south west of Mbuji Mayi. But DeBeers, the dominant world diamond producer, cast doubt on whether exclusive concessions could be granted in such an unstable region. The Financial Times, May 26, 2000 - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .
Surely you've heard of the Belgian sightings, tracked by the Belgian Air Force with radar shown on television. Television has also shown talking dinosaurs These are unidentified. That does not make them extra-terrestrial. The Belgian Air Force doesn't think they could be man-made. The Belgian Air Force SAYS it doesn't THINK they could be man-made. (1.) This is opinion, not evidence. (2.) If you believe anything that any NATO power says, without independent corroboration, you are making a serious error in judgment. News reports in the 19th century, documented in "Above Top Secret?" News reports in the 19th century, are REPEATED in "Above Top Secret" By definition, this is hearsay. It's pretty interesting hearsay and worth considering. But it's NOT evidence. Are you in possession of some proof that we had disk-shaped flight capacity before the invention of the airplane? No, but neither are we in possession of proof that there was not disk-shaped flight capacity before the invention of the airplane. Accounts of human flight apparatuses date back to the Mahabharata. Get started reading up on terrestrial UFOs at: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/15.html Do multiple sightings documented in newspapers before the invention of airplanes mean nothing to you? When something is reported in the newspaper it is REPORTED in the newspaper. A REPORT is not documentation. If I believed everything I read in the newspaper I'd be a sorry, deluded fool indeed. It was the newspaper, remember, that reported America's quintessential UFO, the so-called "Magic Bullet" that killed the president of the United States and wounded the governor of Texas, breaking several bones on the way and making two right angle turns in mid-air in the process, and emerging virtually unscathed at the end, after being fired from one of the world's least accurate rifles by a man the Marines say who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, who was sitting in a position that dictated that in order to hold the rifle at the necessary angle to make the shot would have had to have been able to place the butt of the stock and his own shoulder several inches inside the wall of the room from which he is supposed to have fired from. Oh yeah and, this bullet is also reported to have entered the back of Kennedy's head and exited through the front even though the big (exit) hole it left was in the back of the head and the small (entrance) hole was in the front of the head. Newspapers? Yeah right. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Gertz: Reno calls Taiwan an intelligence threat
Reno calls Taiwan an intelligence threat By Bill Gertz THE WASHINGTON TIMES The Clinton administration, in a departure from longtime U.S. policy, has placed Taiwan on the FBI's secret list of hostile intelligence threats, equating Taipei with aggressive spying by Beijing and Moscow. China, Russia and Taiwan are among 13 nations designated as priorities for FBI intelligence and counterespionage activities, according to a classified memorandum from Attorney General Janet Reno. "I hereby designate the following countries as country threats under the [National Security List] for 1999/2000," Miss Reno wrote. Based on FBI, Justice and State Department reports, Miss Reno then listed, in order of priority, Russia, China, North Korea, Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, Serbian-controlled Bosnia, Vietnam, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Sudan and Taiwan. In addition to nations, the so-called national security threat list includes eight issues that guide FBI intelligence work: terrorism, espionage, proliferation, economic espionage, infrastructure targeting, government targeting, perception management and legal intelligence gathering. Disclosure of the threat list comes as the House is preparing to vote on legislation that would loosen trade restrictions on China. Current and former U.S. intelligence officials said the inclusion of Taiwan on the list appears based on the administration's pro-Beijing policies that seek to equate Taiwan in the same threat category as China. Asked about the inclusion of Taiwan on the list, Sen. Jon Kyl, Arizona Republican and a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said: "What threat?" "It's very strange to me that Taiwan would be on this list, especially since other countries that spy on us are not," Mr. Kyl said. He added he plans to seek an explanation from intelligence officials. If Taiwan is on the threat list, then Israel, India, Pakistan and France also should be added since those nations conduct spying operations against the United States, said a former senior U.S. intelligence official. "This is just for political purposes. The Taiwanese are not in the same league as the other threats and they are the one country on the list that is not a mortal enemy of the United States." Justice Department sources said the memorandum was written by Frances Fragos Townsend, counsel for intelligence policy and a political appointee who is close to Miss Reno. Miss Townsend was criticized in a recent internal Justice Department report for turning down an FBI request for a wiretap of Los Alamos National Laboratory scientist Wen Ho Lee. Mr. Lee is the chief suspect in an FBI investigation of Chinese nuclear spying. He was indicted in December for mishandling nuclear secrets. The former official said the danger from "politicizing" the threat list is that "it has the practical effect of distorting the focus of the FBI and other intelligence community agencies" charged with protecting national security. "It distorts the reality of the threat and confuses people," he said. Said a second former high-ranking intelligence official, "Why isn't Israel on the list?" Taiwan's intelligence service in the past has engaged
[CTRL] OT: Posers use fake IDs to invade CIA, FBI
May 25, 2000 Posers use fake IDs to invade CIA, FBI By Jerry Seper THE WASHINGTON TIMES Undercover agents from the General Accounting Office used counterfeit badges and phony credentials to penetrate security at two airports and 19 government offices including the CIA, Justice Department, FBI, State Department and Pentagon. Agents from the GAO's Office of Special Investigations successfully entered the private suites of Defense Secretary William S. Cohen, Attorney General Janet Reno, Federal Aviation Administrator Jane Garvey, Health and Human Services Secretary Donna E. Shalala and NASA Administrator Dan Goldin. According to a GAO draft report, the agents used credentials made with widely available computer programs and badges purchased over the Internet to pose as plainclothes officers in an investigation sought by the House Judiciary subcommittee on crime. Under that guise, the agents also were allowed close access to the private suites of 15 Cabinet officers or department heads, and took briefcases and bags unescorted into the bathrooms nearest those 15 offices. The agents entered the buildings after declaring they were armed. Briefcases they carried were never searched. At the Justice Department, they drove a rental van into the department's courtyard, where it was left while the agents went into the building unescorted later entering Miss Reno's office. At Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport and Orlando International Airport, the agents obtained boarding passes and firearms permits to carry weapons on flights for which they had purchased tickets. The briefcases they carried were never X-rayed and they were never challenged as they boarded the planes. "This is a shocking report revealing a dangerous vulnerability plaguing thousands of people who work in our buildings," said Rep. Henry J. Hyde, Illinois Republican and House Judiciary Committee chairman. "Complacency of security is a serious threat to the orderly functioning of our government. "I hope this startling report will focus new attention on enhancing our security of the public buildings housing our governmental agencies," he said. Rep. Bill McCollum, Florida Republican and subcommittee chairman, who ordered the GAO investigation, said the agents entered the buildings by flashing fake law-enforcement badges and credentials and posing as federal agents or local police officers. He said a team of 19 GAO agents obtained their bogus credentials by buying badges on various Internet sites and through other sources, and by using off-the-shelf computer graphics programs to generate official-looking identification cards. The cards were then placed in leather cases, and presented to the agencies for entry. "They are not perfect counterfeits by any means," said Mr. McCollum. "They were not intended to be perfect copies of the real thing. That fact is very disturbing to me. What these agents did a lot of people could do. Certainly, members of a foreign intelligence service or a terrorist organization could do it." The GAO, in a draft report, said some of the badges used by the agents were movie props and identified the undercover officers as members of the New York Police Department, the FBI and the Washington Metropolitan Police Department. The credentials did not always match the badges, the report said, noting that some of the documents identified the
[CTRL] What's up with a government that sides with Mexican illegals?
From: http://orlandosentinel.com/automagic/columnists/2000-05-25/OPEDreese25052500 .html What's up with a government that sides with Mexican illegals? By Charley Reese Columnist Published in The Orlando Sentinel on May 25, 2000 It's probably time we realized that whatever self-government we have left in this country is with our local and state governments. The national government seems to have cut us out of the loop. It even shows signs of hostility to us. Take, for example, the current situation on the Arizona border. Some ranchers there, whose property abuts the border with Mexico, have grown tired of seeing their property used as a dump and highway by illegal Mexican immigrants. They have begun to make citizens' arrests. Now every American has the right to make a citizens' arrest, but the U.S. government is up in arms. About the abuse of the ranchers' property? About the Mexicans violating our laws and our borders? Oh, no, they are upset with the ranchers. The U.S. attorney there states that he's researching the law to see if there are any charges he can bring against them. Some hotshot Mexican official has hired an American law firm to sue the ranchers. Now let's get this straight. It is the ranchers who are being victimized by the illegal immigrants. They are upholding the law, while the U.S. government's entire sympathy seems to be with the Mexican illegals. It shows hostility to the ranchers who are, after all, doing what the U.S. government is supposed to do. As for the Mexican official and every other Mexican official, they should create a country in which their people can live and earn a decent living instead of being impoverished and exploited by a crooked government and its goons. The gall of Mexican government officials complaining about the treatment of Mexicans in America. They are treated better here than in Mexico. That is why -- surprise, surprise -- they come here. The true tragedy of Mexico is that the Mexican people love it so, but the country, or at least its government, has never returned their affection. About 20 families own most of the country, and, of course, for the past 50 years it has had pseudo-elections while being governed by one party. A few months ago, two Mexican army vehicles charged across the U.S. border, knocking down a fence and firing on U.S. Border Patrol agents who were on horseback. When reinforcements arrived, one of the Mexican army vehicles fled back across the border while the other surrendered. But guess what the orders were from Washington. Let them go and give them their weapons. It was all a mistake. Some of the rank-and-file Border Patrol officers don't think for one minute it was mistake. They think that the army vehicles were intent on delivering drugs and the one that fled took the drugs back to Mexico. The Arizona ranchers have a similar view of the Mexican government, and, in fact, through the years I've talked to agents with the Drug Enforcement Agency and Customs and Border Patrolmen who all agree, despite the Washington chatter to the contrary, that the Mexican government is up to its armpits in the drug trade. At any rate, Americans ought to get sick and tired of the Mexican government pushing its problems off on us. It is the Mexican government's responsibility to create an economy in which its people can make a decent living and live a decent life. Instead, it exploits the hell out of them and sends them across the border to earn money to send back to their families in Mexico. It is not the Mexican people who are at fault here. They suffer from bad government, as indeed do we on the national level. Nor is it the fault of the rank-and-file Border Patrol officers who are not being supported by their own Washington bosses. It is certainly not the ranchers who are at fault. But if you just watch, you can see example after example in which our national government shows a hostile face to American citizens. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary
[CTRL] No privacy for Linda Tripp?
Washington Times-EDITORIAL May 26, 2000 No privacy for Linda Tripp? Pentagon officials violated Linda Tripp's privacy rights, and Defense Secretary William Cohen is so put out over it that he intends to give the culprits a firm tap on the wrist. Apparently he didn't want to overdo it with a slap. No one's going to break the law on Secretary Cohen's watch, no sir. The punishment follows an investigation by the Pentagon's inspector general which concluded that Pentagon spokesman Kenneth Bacon and an aide broke the law when they released confidential personnel files to a New Yorker reporter (and former colleague of Mr. Bacon's) who was out to undermine her credibility. They did so notwithstanding warnings from the official overseeing the personnel files that they could be used for official use only, not for political or other unofficial purposes. For breaking the law, Mr. Cohen has sent the two officials a letter of reprimand saying they should have known better. But he's not going to put the reprimand in their files. Anything goes, apparently, when Linda Tripp is involved. Mr. Bacon's wrongdoing is just one part of Mrs. Tripp's political persecution, part of which came to an unceremonious and embarrassing end this week. Maryland prosecutors, who filed criminal charges against her for taping phone conversations she had with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky, have finally dropped them, ending a nightmare that began only after Mrs. Tripp sought to tell the truth amid a sea of lies. Those tapes, of course, confirmed the sexual relationship Miss Lewinsky had with President Clinton, a relationship he denied under oath and in front of the American public. At the time, Miss Lewinsky was pressuring Mrs. Tripp to lie, too. Attorneys for Paula Jones, who had accused Mr. Clinton of sexual harassment, were trying to show a pattern of wrongdoing. Showing the president had a habit of pressuring female subordinates like Miss Lewinsky for sex would help substantiate Miss Jones' accusations against him. Within days after Mrs. Tripp gave the tapes to Mr. Starr in January 1998, Maryland Democrats mounted pressure on state prosecutors to charge her with taping a conversation without the consent of both parties something that Maryland rarely pursued in the courts. Not even a grant of immunity from Mr. Starr immunity that should, for all practical purposes, have shielded Mrs. Tripp from state prosecution could temper the pressure to persecute her. Writing on the op-ed page of The Washington Times last December, Mark Levin (president of the Landmark Legal Foundation) and Arthur Fergenson (a former assistant U.S. attorney and now a Maryland lawyer) quoted the applicable U.S. Supreme Court decision regarding self-incrimination and immunity. "We hold that the constitutional privilege against self-incrimination protects a state witness against incrimination under federal as well as state law and a federal witness against incrimination under state as well as federal law." Thus, Maryland was compelled to honor the immunity Mr. Starr granted Mrs. Tripp unless the state could prove its case without relying upon any of the immunized testimony Mrs. Tripp offered. In Mrs. Tripp's case, this was a practical impossibility because prosecutors would have to demonstrate that the testimony of their star witness, Miss Lewinsky, was completely independent of Mrs. Tripp's testimony. Earlier this month, Howard County Judge Diane O. Leasure finally ordered much of Miss Lewinsky's testimony suppressed, noting that the former intern was prone to lying and that she was "bathed in impermissible taint" because of her access to immunized testimony. Thus, a politicized criminal prosecution that should never have begun, collapsed, as predicted. Justice is not yet done though, not while Mr. Bacon and others are free to violate Mrs. Tripp's rights with impunity. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be
[CTRL] The Framing of Patsy Ramsey
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: Conspiracy Shopping Cart: http://a-albionic.com/shopping.html From: Alex Constantine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Framing of Patsy Ramsey Date: Sunday, May 14, 2000 12:05 AM The JonBenet Ramsey Case: Emerging Child Sex-Ring Allegations, Political Connections and a Suspect By Alex Constantine © April, 2000 Introduction: The Belinda Schultz File 1.) Southwestern Child-Pornocrats: A.) The Huey Meaux Connection B.) Jerry J. Moore, Houston Real-Estate Developer C.) The Prime of Ms Tweet Kimball 2.) Supporting Evidence of Child Sex Ring Involvement A.) A Brotherhood B.) The Belgium Syndrome C.) Lawrence Schiller The Designated Patsy (Ramsey) Introduction: The Belinda Schultz file On March 22, I received a call from Joe Calhoun, a reporter from the Denver area and a recipient of an Academy Award in 1990 for his investigative work on The Panama Deception. (For the record, we had talked once before, also by telephone, about the JonBenet Ramsey case, exchanged observations, and that was the extent of my past relationship with him. At the time, I had an uncomfortable feeling that Boulder police spokesmen, the cable martinets and investigative "experts" on the case were misrepresenting the evidence.) Calhoun was in town, Los Angeles, and wanted to discuss the murder in detail. Shortly thereafter, Calhoun with the bearded, wide-eyed demeanor of an academic on the brink of a discovery dropped a folder on my desk. For this record, he read a prepared statement:: "I am a freelance journalist who has been covering the JonBenet Ramsey case since its beginnings. There are only a few news conferences in Boulder that I have not attended. At the last news conference, on October 13, 1999, the day after the announcement by Alex Hunter that there would be no charges filed in the Ramsey case following the adjournment of the Grand Jury, myself and a few individuals were given a file." I was, at this stage, stepping more or less blindly into a quagmire of details after three years of following the public debacle casually on the cable talk shows. Whatever Calhoun had, I was not in the mood for conspiratorial moonshine, but he had been down this road himself the file, containing 23 pages of interviews with a victim of organized child abuse in Colorado and Texas, "was of such a bizarre nature, I was extremely circumspect about regarding it as a collection of genuine documents and confidential memos. I jokingly referred to it to some of my colleagues as The Blair Witch Project of the JonBenet Ramsey case.¹ I didn¹t pursue any of the leads mentioned in the file until recently. Three weeks ago," Calhoun recalled, "a 37-year-old woman from San Luis Obispo, California came forward with information to Boulder Attorney Lee Hill. She alleged that she came from a family of inter-generational child abuse victims, and had been abused since the age of three by a powerful group of pedophiles, some of whom were associates of the Ramsey family. I dug up the file I had originally obtained in October and decided to give it a second look, since the information contained therein seemed to parallel the information the woman was providing Boulder D.A. Alex Hunter and the police. Upon rereading all of the information contained in it, and cross-referencing names, the entire file had more of a flow of information." Calhoun came to entertain the notion that the sex-ring allegations surfacing sporadically on the edge of the case might have some merit. "On March 21, I contacted the Pearline, Texas Police Department for verification of the Paul Schultz [child sexual abuse] case mentioned in the file. I was immediately transferred to Detective Bill Colson,. He was unaware of the recent developments in Boulder concerning the 37-year-old woman from San Luis Obispo, California. However, Detective Colson confirmed the following: The case number '951302,' on pages 7 and 14, is genuine, and the woman, Belinda Schultz, currently living in Cypress, Texas, in a notarized statement contained in the file, at the time would [have been] more likely to give information concerning the Ramsey case. And a Boulder detective was in Texas in December, 1997, seeking information regarding Paul Schultz [her estranged husband] and his involvement, if any, in the JonBenet Ramsey case." Calhoun placed the next call to a private investigator, Char Blaiser, wife of O.J. Simpson attorney Robert Blaiser, at her office in Sacramento, California. Ms Blasier whose office had been contracted by Boulder police to obtain social security numbers of everyone close to the Ramsey case reportedly states that the night
[CTRL] Fascists in the Belfry
This is obviously part of a series, the first part, which, in itself, amy be a rehash, repeat, or otherwise a duplication of much of what has been posted before. For those who haven't seen too much of it, here's your chance. I love these articles because they illustrate how easy it is to judge history well after the facts while during the tumult of events, little or nothing is known nor done. Why? One position I take is that, in this case, the National Socialists of the 20s Germany may have been more closely aligned with the interests of the U.S. than after the exposure of the reputed 'holocaust'. Therefore, they, the NS-ers, were used to effect great benefit to its supporters. Kinda like Pinochet or Bin Laden or Hussein of Slobo in more recent history -- use 'em 'til they ain't no good no mo'. Latter day *a posteriori* conscience. Note how most of our "wars" nowadays are initiated to avert 'humanitarian crises' and the villains are viley villified violators of the villes and the villages -- modern genocidists. AER From The Emperor's Clothes }}Begin The URL for this article is http://www.emperors-clothes.com/articles/randy/swas1.htm Click here for a printable version Nazis in the attic Did the Bush Family, including the ex-President, along with GM Ford help the Nazis before and after WWII? http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/randy/swas5.htm by Randy Davis (5-24-00) By Randy Davis www.tenc.net [emperors-clothes] Documented Evidence of a Secret Business and Political Alliance Between the U.S. "Establishment" and the Nazis, Before, During and After World War II, up to the Present. U.S. CORPORATIONS AND THE NAZIS "A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime. . . . "Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there." -- William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador to Germany, 1937. (1) A large volume of documentary evidence exists that reveals that many of the richest, most powerful men in the United States, and the giant corporations they controlled, were secretly allied with the Nazis, both before and during World War II, even after war was declared between Germany and America. This alliance began with U.S. corporate investment during the reconstruction of post- World War I Germany in the 1920s and, years later, included financial, industrial and military aid to the Nazis. On the pages which follow we will review which prominent Americans and corporations were involved, what aid and comfort they gave our nation's enemies - treasonable offenses during time of war, and investigations into these matters which produced evidence of a US/Nazi corporate conspiracy TO BRING A FASCIST STATE TO AMERICA, and eliminate competition in the industrial raw materials market in order to force world-wide dependance on oil-based petrochemicals. WILLIAM RANDOLPH HEARST According to journalist George Seldes: ". . . Hitler had the support of the most widely circulated magazine in history, 'Readers Digest,' as well as nineteen big-city newspapers and one of the three great American news agencies, the $220-million Hearst press empire. ". . . William Randolph Hearst, Sr., . . . was the lord of all the press lords in the United States. The millions who read the Hearst newspapers and magazines and saw Hearst newsreels in the nation's moviehouses had their minds poisoned by Hitler propaganda. "It was . . . disclosed first to President Roosevelt (by Ambassador Dodd) almost on the day it happened, in September 1934, and it is detailed in the book 'Ambassador Dodd's Diary,' published in 1941, and again in libel-proof documents on file in the courts of the state of New York. William E. Dodd, professor of history (at the University of Chicago), told me about the Hearst sell-out . . . "According to Ambassador Dodd, Hearst came to take the waters at Bad Nauheim in September 1934, and Dodd somehow learned immediately that Hitler had sent two of his most trusted Nazi propagandists, Hanfstangel and Rosenberg, to ask Hearst how Nazism could present a better image in the United States. When Hearst went to Berlin later in the month, he was taken to see Hitler." Seldes reports that a $400,000 a year deal was struck between Hearst and Hitler, and signed by Doctor Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi propaganda minister. "Hearst," continues Seldes, "completely changed the editorial policy of his nineteen daily newspapers the same month he got the money." In the court documents filed on behalf of Dan Gillmor, publisher of a magazine named "Friday," in response to a lawsuit by Hearst, under item 61, he states:
Re: [CTRL] fwd/ Celebrity Defends WorldNetDaily, Free Republic
On Fri, 26 May 2000, Kris Millegan wrote: Gavin, thanks for this, ya know WND headquarters is in Selma, OR. Went to their "compound," met Mr. Farah a charming fellow . . . but sadly to say . . . I believe to be an intel shill fraud. Om K Kris, You mentioned this another time recently, and since then, I have been scrutinizing the possibility that you might be right??? *IF* you ARE, then it's about as sophisticated an effort as anything in history, i.e., HEAV, BABEEE! When you can, PLEASE, offer more as to what makes you lean this way. Thanks, Mike In a message dated 5/25/00 9:13:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 5/25/00 12:02:34 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: May 25, 2000--As you know, I have written a series of articles about Free Republic, the putative "conservative" news forum on the Net. I have called Free Republic part of the phony opposition, a holding tank for guppies who are fed small pellets of approved truths. http://www.public-action.com/Pretenders/FR-Israel.html http://www.public-action.com/Pretenders/FR-Color.html http://www.public-action.com/Pretenders/HT-CR.html You can imagine my surprise when I received an e-mail from Geoff Metcalf, the celebrity talk show host on ABC-owned KSFO in San Francisco, California. Geoff's talk show is aired 10 hours a week, Monday-Friday, 12 noon to 2 pm. Geoff is also a columnist for WorldNetDaily A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: UC Berkeley Graduation 2000: Iraq, Albright, Fadia Rafeedie
pull quote: "Fear not the path of truth for the lack of people walking on it." [from the arabic] == -- Forwarded message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 13:35:48 EDT Subject: Iraq, Albright, Rafeedie, and the UC Berkeley Graduation. Some of you may have heard about Fadia Rafeedie, a young Palestinian woman who, as something like the valedictorian of her class, spoke at UC Berkeley's graduation last week. You may also have heard that the keynote speaker for the convocation was Madaleine Albright. Albright's speech was interupted by many different flavors of protests on everything from Columbia to Iraq. Below is Fadia's explanation of what happened, and the transcript of her impromptu speech. I think her bravery and poise are inspiring. Sonia --- From: Fadia Rafeedie Subject: Transcription of convocation address Dear Friends, I've been wanting to extend my thanks to everyone (Sawsan, Ali, Rania, Wael, Nader, Zahi, Randa, Nabella, Kathy, Sherry, Rima, and everyone else) for supporting me before and after Berkeley's convocation last Wednesday "featuring" the so-called "Keynote Speaker of the Millennium, Madeleine Albright." Things have been so crazy, though! I've been on a mission to respond to every single email that pops into my inbox about what happened, but the task is so exciting and overwhelming at once, that I decided to leave it alone for a while so that I could submit a more impersonal but comprehensive 'report.' Below I've included my meandering address, which, when transcribed, sounds superficial and poorly organized. (It was.) I'll narrate the succession of events, which I think reads like a drama, and within it I outline some of the reasons why I think that Wednesday was a collective victory for the forces of opposition against the Iraqi sanctions in particular, and the Arab community - in solidarity with the Left in this country - more generally. First, even for the people who were at the Greek Theatre that afternoon in the blinding sun, you cannot *imagine* what the audience looked like from our vantage point on stage. It was like fireworks! The images are imprinted in my head forever. At the moment when the administrators announced, after we were all sitting on stage, that they'd change the schedule around so that Albright spoke first and not last, I knew that the "powers that be" were frightened of what was to come - embarrassment and exposure to a woman whose administration and policies deserve it. As soon as she stood up on the thick block at the foot of the podium to reach the microphone, a 15-foot bright red and black banner - signature of the International Socialist Organization -- unfurled itself in the distance, directly across from her in the center of the theatre, with the clearly written slogan, "Madeleine Albright is a War criminal." Then, in unison, hundreds of voices (or at least they sounded like it), interrupted her before she could begin, with chants of "end the sanctions now! end the sanctions now!" The 'security' forces, dressed in loud yellow jackets, were quick to rip down every poster that surfaced in the crowd and escort the protesters outside of the theatre, but there was NO WAY to get at all of them. As I said, it was like fireworks! When the red banner went down, another one to the left of the crowd flew up about the situation in Columbia. Then the officers tore that one down, dragged out the audience, and scanned the crowd for the sources of the consistent cries of protest. Albright was stumbling and bumbling through her speech there was no way that anyone was listening to her babble about stopping war criminals in Kosovo, preventing the "buying and selling of human beings" in Latin America, achieving so much as a Secretary of State wearing a skirt, etc. etc. etc. There were just too many people screaming out that she was a war criminal, that she was occluding any mention of Iraq, and that she was a liar. The hypocrisy laden in every sentence she uttered was truly unbearable to have to endure, especially since I was caught off guard about having to speak after and not before her, as is tradition at Berkeley. She tried - successfully, unfortunately - to win the audience to her side, but I'm convinced that they supported her more out of nationalistic fervor in response to a group of what they perceived as disruptive and 'foreign' objectors than because she was actually convincing or inspiring. Anyone, even a Nazi, I would argue, would have garnered support from the audience, because it was incredible how successful the protesters were in silencing her! So after the Columbia banner went down, another one spread itself out in a different part of the theatre about how she's supporting imperialism. There was still more chanting, heckling, and booing. From the distance, one protester wearing a
Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .
A pattern is emerging clearly and I finally think I understand what is going on here. Thank you, nessie, for helping to make it so obvious. Samantha In a message dated 5/26/00 10:30:58 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Surely you've heard of the Belgian sightings, tracked by the Belgian Air Force with radar shown on television. Television has also shown talking dinosaurs These are unidentified. That does not make them extra-terrestrial. The Belgian Air Force doesn't think they could be man-made. The Belgian Air Force SAYS it doesn't THINK they could be man-made. (1.) This is opinion, not evidence. (2.) If you believe anything that any NATO power says, without independent corroboration, you are making a serious error in judgment. News reports in the 19th century, documented in "Above Top Secret?" News reports in the 19th century, are REPEATED in "Above Top Secret" By definition, this is hearsay. It's pretty interesting hearsay and worth considering. But it's NOT evidence. Are you in possession of some proof that we had disk-shaped flight capacity before the invention of the airplane? No, but neither are we in possession of proof that there was not disk-shaped flight capacity before the invention of the airplane. Accounts of human flight apparatuses date back to the Mahabharata. Get started reading up on terrestrial UFOs at: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/15.html Do multiple sightings documented in newspapers before the invention of airplanes mean nothing to you? When something is reported in the newspaper it is REPORTED in the newspaper. A REPORT is not documentation. If I believed everything I read in the newspaper I'd be a sorry, deluded fool indeed. It was the newspaper, remember, that reported America's quintessential UFO, the so-called "Magic Bullet" that killed the president of the United States and wounded the governor of Texas, breaking several bones on the way and making two right angle turns in mid-air in the process, and emerging virtually unscathed at the end, after being fired from one of the world's least accurate rifles by a man the Marines say who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, who was sitting in a position that dictated that in order to hold the rifle at the necessary angle to make the shot would have had to have been able to place the butt of the stock and his own shoulder several inches inside the wall of the room from which he is supposed to have fired from. Oh yeah and, this bullet is also reported to have entered the back of Kennedy's head and exited through the front even though the big (exit) hole it left was in the back of the head and the small (entrance) hole was in the front of the head. Newspapers? Yeah right. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CHEMTRAIL BREAKTHROUGH VIA BLACKLIGHT?
Nicola Molloy wrote:
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Chemtrail Breakthrough...
Via Blacklight?
EUREKA! I think I've found it ... in blacklight?
By Djembemon
Source: Chemtrail discussion board at
http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails.showMessage?topicID=578.
topic
4/15/00
Well, last night after work, after a long week pondering the almost
unfathomable efforts of the chem sprayers (and being doused heavily
at
least several times during), I think I may have had a small
breakthrough.
First came Grif's informed tip to "look into" Barium Titanate
(BaTiO3). That has proven useful and seems to be on the right track,
though the exact mechanism and "synergistic" or "activating" effects
have yet to be determined. We at this board seem, however, to be in
agreement that this is at least one component of that which is being
sprayed with such abandon overhead.
Then came my observations early last Saturday morning of bright chem
"cloudlets" descending upon Atlanta from some point south of the
city;
they were fairly easy to spot in the night sky because of a soft
luminescence, and also by their colorful (refractory) properties.
And just a couple of days ago I marveled at Gary's topic/posted
account of the "rip in the sky!" which he observed, only to discover
that this was the leading edge of a long, fat chem cloud backlit and
luminescing by moonlight alone! (Or would this be "lunarlescing"?)
Anyway, he said it was really bright and unusually lit.
Then moondog, one of our resident "perfessers", posted some specifics
on the refractive index of Barium Titanate and found it to be highly
refractive, even among many such refractive substances (it weighed in
at around 2.5 - nearly double the refractive index of water or
ethanol, and higher even than that of glass; refer to moondog's post
in Gary's topic, "Just when you think you've seen everything in the
night sky!" for specifics and explanation).
So, to summarize to this point, we're looking for something which is
pretty darned small ("powdered", for size purposes, though it is not
"ground" in manufacture), very refractive (splits light passing
through it into constituent wavelengths), an enhancing mechanism for
certain wavelengths of light, and quite possibly transparent (think
about the other items on moondog's original list - air, water,
ethanol, glass).
So just how DO you locate something so small in a "haystack" like
this?
Well, as it happened, I took a little trip (non chemically enhanced,
thank you) back to my early days and broke the Black Light out of the
storage closet. No, the fluorescent Hendrix poster and velvet Elvis
stayed carefully tucked away; I was looking for another type of
adventure, and I believe I found it.
"UNDER BLACK LIGHT" (or near-ultraviolet) I figured, "this barium
titanate just might show up." And if my initial observations are
correct, then show up it did.
And MAN did it show up. There wasn't "that much" of it on my person,
but it was there - glowing like ABSOLUTE MAD under black light UV
(small patches of it were fluorescing more than the charged dial of
an
old toxic-glow nuclear-waste watch face!).
I wasn't sure what I was looking for at first. I'd spent a lot of
time
"under" black light in my youth -- for far less serious reasons -- so
when I first saw the "patches" on my hands, I thought them to be just
soap scum (bar soap leaves these streaks naturally - it just doesn't
rinse off well; also, many bar soaps contain titanium, a whitish
substance, for coloring). I basically don't use bar soap at all (home
or work), but just to prove to myself what I was looking at, I very
thoroughly washed my hands with liquid soap after this initial
observation.
When I returned, the little fluorescent blobs (actually,
HYPER-fluorescent is a much better description) were still emitting
light as strongly as ever and still in their original positions,
completely unchanged by my attempt to "rid" or rinse myself of them,
even though I knew exactly where they were by having seen them
moments
before. (Soap scum, by the way, does rinse off with warm water, as
it's fat/lipid-based, so is soluble in any sort of grease-cutting
environment.) I noticed one "patch" on my adam's apple and several on
my hands - the only "exposed" areas of my body during the drizzly
rain
that particular day [it was cloud-dripping chem scum yesterday];
there
were no other "patches" anywhere else on my person that I could find.
As well, these "patches" -- small dots or relatively small
agglomerations that resembled glowing paint drops -- had seemed to
"migrate" of their own design into the normal cracks and crevices of
my hands (though their presence was not limited as such). They were
also somewhat difficult to "rub off" even under black light, being
amazingly persistent.
The other thing I noticed was the presence of several
[CTRL] COSMIC RAYS DRIVE GLOBAL WARMING ?!
http://spacedaily.com/news/greenhouse-00f.html Scientists Take Issue With Solar 'Innocence' In Weather Changes "the long-term trend of cosmic-ray variation follows the warming trend better that either the sunspot number or the solar cycle length We now know that the Sun's interplanetary magnetic field and the solar wind have increased by a factor of 2 in the last 100 years Recently it was found that the Earth's cloud cover, observed by satellites, is strongly correlated with galactic cosmic-ray flux." Scientists Take Issue With Solar Innocence Los Angeles -- May 19, 2000 -- Following an article published in the UK science magazine New Scientist, a group of solar physicists have taken issue with the article's slant that the Sun is not to blame for global warming. The scientists further argue that the original article was misinterupted as suggesting the sun does not play a key role in our recent detection of global warming. Paal Brekke a solar physicist with the SOHO project told SpaceDaily that there is growing evidence that the sun and its relationship with the ebb and flow of cosmic rays is responsible for a substantial portion of the increase in global temperatures. In an article published on the University of Oslo website Paal Brekke and Nigel Marsh provide details on the growing evidence that Cosmic Rays have a significant influence on the Earth's cloud cover and reprinted with the permission of the authors : http://www.admin.uio.no/ia/debatt/klima/brekkemarsh_eng.shtml In a scientific report from the Danish Meteorological Institute (Report 99-9) Thejll and Lassen revisit the correlation between the sunspot cycle and Northern Hemisphere temperature trends. They conclude that the solar forcing that is described by the solar cycle length model no longer dominates the long-term variation of the land air temperature. Their result was presented in New Scientist on 6 May 2000 with the title "Don't blame the Sun" and the opening words: "Greenhouse effect sceptics may have lost their final excuse". This short article will try to clarify a few facts about these statements. First of all, it is striking that the journalist uses the forceful language mentioned, when one compares it with the more cautious last quote from Thejll: "We're now seeing that the Sun plays a role, and something in addition to the Sun". We interpret this to mean that the Sun is still an important contributor to the temperature trends. The results referred to in the New Scientist article have not yet been published in the peer-reviewed literature. Nevertheless they were presented in a press release and they made news in the media. The central proposition, that the temperature no longer follows the cycle length, is not new. Henrik Svensmark published a similar figure as in New Scientist more than a year ago (see Figure 3 in his paper, Physical Review Letters, 81, p.5027, 1998). Svensmark stated that the long-term trend of cosmic-ray variation follows the warming trend better that either the sunspot number or the solar cycle length (the latter deviates in the last few years). The results from Thejll and Lassen cannot be used to conclude anything about the relationship between the Sun and the climate. Obviously the Sun's behaviour is much more complex than sunspots alone can show. We now know that the Sun's interplanetary magnetic field and the solar wind have increased by a factor of 2 in the last 100 years, and this variation does not follow the variation in sunspots. Recently it was found that the Earth's cloud cover, observed by satellites, is strongly correlated with galactic cosmic-ray flux. One interpretation is that the cosmic rays are the dominant source of ions in the free troposphere and stratosphere. These ions may grow via clustering to form aerosol particles, which may ultimately become cloud condensation nuclei and thereby seed clouds. Clouds influence vertically integrated radiative properties of the atmosphere, both by cooling through reflection of incoming short-wave radiation (sunlight), and heating through trapping of outgoing long-wave radiation (thermal radiation). The net radiative impact of a particular cloud mainly depends upon its height above the surface and its optical thickness. High optically thin clouds tend to warm, while low optically thick clouds tend to cool it. With a current estimate for the net climatic forcing of the global cloud cover as a cooling of 17 - 35 W/m2, clouds play an important role in the Earth's radiation budget. Any significant solar influence on global cloud properties can potentially be very important for Earth's climate. To summarize, the pattern of systematic change in the global climate over recorded history seems to follow the observed changes in cosmic-ray flux, and it is consistent with the explanation that a low cosmic-ray flux
[CTRL] [0] Special project: Drug forfeure
from: http://www.kcstar.com/projects/drugforfeit/index.html Click Here: A HREF="http://www.kcstar.com/projects/drugforfeit/index.html"Ka nsas City Star - Special project: Drug forfei /A - There is more at site. Om K - This series of articles from The Kansas City Star's projects desk is the second examination Star reporter Karen Dillon has made of police circumventing state forfeiture laws -- this time with a national scope. Her fi rst series on the subject focused on Missouri and was published in January 1999. PART ONE: Photo illustration by Kevin Anderson/The StarAcross U.S., police dodge state seizure laws Police and highway patrols across the country are evading state laws to improperly keep millions of dollars in cash and property seized in drug busts and traffic stops. Diverted dollars mean losses for education At least eight states have constitutional provisions that require money and property forfeited under state law to go to education. But little or no drug money appears to get there. Many states protect property owners from home forfeitures Laws in many states such as Kansas make it very difficult to confiscate a person's home. But law enforcement has found a way around those state laws, with the help of the federal government. Rampant confiscations remain despite some states' quirky laws Here's a quick spin through some of the stranger state laws and the ways police have found to get around them. Hand-off halts couple's claim to cash On Dec. 4, 1999, a Texas couple found $300,000 in a bag along the road. They gave it to Dallas police and were told it would belong to them if no one claimed the money within 60 days. Then law enforcement decided not to give the money back. Court rulings have little impact in two states In two states, courts have ruled that money can't be forfeited -- at all -- when the owner is convicted of a crime. State supreme courts in New Mexico and Nebraska say it's double jeopardy to both convict a person and take his property. Justice DepartmentPART TWO: Police, federal agencies resist change For more than 15 years police and federal agencies have perfected the partnership that allows police to improperly keep millions of dollars seized in drug busts and traffic stops. Don't expect change to come easy or soon, a yearlong examination by The Kansas City Star shows. Forfeiture package offers minimal reform, some say Congress passed a forfeiture reform bill last month with great fanfare, promising it would finally protect civil liberties and property rights. A closer look shows the law might not even be that significant. States' forfeiture woes trace to federal officials The U.S. Department of Justice is far more than a silent partner in the mass evasion of state laws by local police and state patrols. In fact, the Justice Department is the main culprit, The Kansas City Star has found. All content © 2000 The Kansas City Star - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky?
I've seen the planes, I've seen them land. They are white jetliners. You may ask how I know it was a "Chemplane?" Because a "normal" plane has no need for a long blue boom hanging off the top of the horizontal stabilizer (rudder). I've seen them spray. Check out www.contrailconnection.com. Also, I'm a part of the Chemtrail club on Yahoo at http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/chemtrailtrackingusa . They are spraying. It's fact. What? Well, that's the question in which there is lots of speculation. But I'm sure it's something to further their agenda, so by default that makes it bad for you and I. (I'm back) Jamie -Original Message- From: tenebroust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 9:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky? I have seen these things as well. A strange accumulation of crosshatching which is unusual. I have never seen a plane make them and have never seen a plane "spraying" anything. That does not mean it is not happening, but I have no proof of it. I also have read articles in "mainstream" publications which give some scientific explanations for these things which do not involve spraying of chemicals. They could of course be "part of the conspiracy", but I don't know it. Let us see what we shall see. Speculation is 100% okay and presenting information of this kind is often limited to speculation as no hard evidence can be gleaned (especially if the spraying is done at high altitudes, little residue would make it to the ground to be gathered and tested). One simply cannot say what it is that is going on. Given our government's past activity I am inclined to believe that they ARE spraying us with something, as well as other not-so-noticeable things as well (like ELF, Micro-waves, etc.) BUT my inclination is NOT proof, thus we should reserve judgement on what is the truth. On Thu, 25 May 2000, nessie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: And we don't know what else it is or isn't, either." You say this all the time about everything. And I'm almost always right. Post referred to - "the take off and landing weights of his planes suddenly did not correspond anymore with the amount of fuel used, meaning that something besides fuel was lost during those flights." Did you you personally weigh the plane? Neither did I. I'm willing to believe that some guy said the weights were different. I'm not willing to believe the weights were different without corroboration. are the commercial planes spraying something we don't know about? YES THEY ARE. WE DO KNOW . How do you know, because somebody told you? Or did you personally observe it happening and scientifically eliminate all other explanations for what you saw? Let me tell you what I know. Twice I have seen weird cross hatch contrail patterns over my city. We have three major airports here. Commercial airliners cross the sky here constantly. It is not at all unusual for me to see airliners overhead. Sometimes they leave contrails, usually they do not. It depends on atmospheric conditions. When they do leave contrails the contrails are always at pretty much the same altitude. There are seldom more than one to three at a time and while the are occasionally do cross each other they never form a dense cross hatch pattern at lower altitude like the two cross hatch patterns I reported. This has led me to believe that it highly unlikely that the weird crosshatch patterns I saw had anything whatsoever, natural or otherwise, to do with commercial airliners. That's what I know. I didn't see the planes that produced the weird cross hatch patterns. Though I consider it unlikely, it is entirely conceivable that the planes resemble commercial airliners. They may even be the same makes and models, though I doubt it highly. That, however, does not make them commercial airliners. Commercial airliners do not behave that way. Commercial airliners never fly relatively low over the city in a cross hatch pattern, ever. Such totally anomalous behavior would surely have drawn great attention. We see commercial airliners all the time. The always behave the same way. They climb and they leave the area in a relatively straight line or they descend and then land. They never fly cross-hatches low over the city. They tend to not fly directly over the city at all because that's not where the airports are. This whole thing puts me in mind of the whole unmarked black helicopter flap. I've heard about them. I've seen picture of what has been reputed to be unmarked black helicopters. These are not good enough reasons for me to believe people are flying unmarked black helicopters. So I studiously avoided telling people that unmarked black helicopters were flying in our skies. I did however tell people about the reports and the pictures, neither of which amounted to my being able to truthfully say that unmarked black
[CTRL] [2] Special project: Drug forfeure
from: http://www.kcstar.com/projects/drugforfeit/new7.htm Click Here: A HREF="http://www.kcstar.com/projects/drugforfeit/new7.htm"Kans as City Star - Special project: Drug forfei /A - There is more at site. Om K - Police, federal agencies resist change By KAREN DILLON The Kansas City Star Date: 05/20/00 22:15 For more than 15 years police and federal agencies have perfected the partnership that allows police to improperly keep millions of dollars seized in drug busts and traffic stops. Don't expect change to come easy or soon, a yearlong examination by The Kansas City Star shows. A few states have tried without success to stop police, leaving many to conclude that Congress is the only solution. And indeed Washington could stem the flow of state seizures to the federal government. But in April Congress lost its best chance in a decade to do that. Congress passed legislation last month curbing some federal forfeiture powers. But the version that reached the White House was missing a provision that could have blocked the way police across the country use federal agencies to circumvent their own state laws. "That's a No. 1 problem," Rajeev Purohit, director of legislation for the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, said of circumvention. "If you got rid of that, you would be more than halfway toward solving the entire problem." A coalition of liberal and conservative groups plans to push again to ban the end-run by police, but many agree that it won't be easy, considering how hard it was to get last month's reforms passed. "Anything further is going to be very hard fighting," said Julie Katzman, a key aide on the Senate bill for Sen. Patrick Leahy, a co-sponsor and Vermont Democrat. Law enforcement has lobbied hard to maintain the system that allows police nationwide to keep much of the drug money and property they seize. The handoff arrangement, in which federal agencies are said to "adopt" state seizures, works this way: When police seize money, they avoid taking it to state courts because most states have passed laws barring seized property from going directly back to police. Instead, police call in a federal agency, which accepts the seizure under federal law, keeps a portion -- usually 20 percent -- for itself and sends the rest back to police. "It's not like they are personally profiting from their seizures," said Gene Zoegtlin, legislative counsel for the International Association of Chiefs of Police. "The key to this program is to deprive bad guys of the profits of their crimes. And at the same time, you can take those profits that were gained illegally and turn them over to law enforcement so that law enforcement is better positioned to combat other types of crimes." But critics say the prospect of keeping seized property gives police an incentive to make illegal searches and avoid state laws, which generally provide citizens with more protection than federal laws. "Police have become addicted to seizure money," said Joseph McNamara, former police chief of Kansas City and San Jose and now an authority on policing at the Hoover Institution. "It is very sad and very dangerous to civil liberties." It's also very difficult to stop. Even though the new federal law will curb some forfeiture powers, which could affect some seizures that federal agencies take from police, many expect the effect to be muted. (See accompanying story for analysis of the law.) The greatest impact is predicted by the Congressional Budget Office, which estimates that forfeiture money returned to police would decrease by 20 percent. But that calculation, which was based mostly on information provided by the Justice Department, was simplified. For example, it includes nonpolice forfeitures by Treasury Department agencies, such as the IRS. In fact, many see police revenues decreasing by a much smaller amount, if at all. "I don't think numerically it is likely to make a cotton-picking bit of difference," said Frank Bowman, associate law professor at Indiana University-Indianapolis and co-author of The Federal Forfeiture Guide, a monthly analysis of court decisions . The Justice Department did not respond to questions from The Star about the new law, but it did reassure at least one national police official that his organization didn't need to worry. The Justice Department "is confident that this new law will not make a great impact on the forfeiture program," Zoegtlin said. Indeed, some state and local law enforcement officials say they will continue to hand off seizures to the federal government without any problems. "I haven't seen anything in the bill that would harm that procedure," said Neal Childers, deputy director of legal services for the Georgia Department of Public Safety. States hit a wall Don't look to the states to control their own police, even though theoreticall y they should be able to. First, lawmakers in many states remain unaware of the federal hand-offs .
[CTRL] [1] Special project: Drug forfeure
from: http://www.kcstar.com/projects/drugforfeit/new3.htm Click Here: A HREF="http://www.kcstar.com/projects/drugforfeit/new3.htm"Kans as City Star - Special project: Drug forfei /A - There is more at site. Om K - By KAREN DILLON The Kansas CityStar Date: 05/19/00 22:15 Police and highway patrols across the country are evading state laws to improperly keep millions of dollars in cash and property seized in drug busts and traffic stops. Most states don't want law enforcement agencies to profit so easily from such confiscations -- they see it as a dangerous conflict of interest. For that reason, they have passed laws blocking seized property from going directly back to police, and many states designate seizures to be used for other purposes, such as education. But a yearlong examination by The Kansas City Star reveals that police agencies in every one of more than two dozen states checked by the newspaper have used federal law enforcement to circumvent their own laws and keep most of that money for themselves. It works this way: When police seize money, they call a federal agency instead of going to state court to confiscate it. An agency such as the Drug Enforcement Administration accepts the seizure, making it a federal case. The DEA keeps a cut of the money and returns the rest to police. State courts -- and their generally more-restrictive forfeiture laws -- are bypassed altogether. Law enforcement says that's not illegal and that without the money, police would be handcuffed in fighting crime. But millions of dollars that lawmakers in some states have designated for education, drug treatment programs and other purposes instead end up back in the hands of police. For example: * A North Carolina State Highway Patrol trooper stopped a driver last year on Interstate 95 for tailgating. A police dog signaled drugs were in the Toyota, where troopers found $105,700 and two grams of marijuana. The driver denied owning either the drugs or the money. The highway patrol gave[ it ] the money to the DEA, which returned more than $80,000 to the state patrol, even though North Carolina law generally requires sending seized money to education. * In June a Georgia trooper stopped a 1996 Monte Carlo for speeding on I-95. After the driver and passengers gave conflicting stories, the trooper searched the car and found a hidden compartment containing $7,000, which the driver said was from savings. The patrol turned over the money to the DEA, which in January returned $5,440 to the patrol. Under Georgia law forfeited money should go to the state's general fund. * In 1996, the Missouri Highway Patrol stopped a Volkswagen Golf for speeding, searched it because the occupants seemed suspicious and found $24,000. No drugs were found and no one claimed the money. The patrol gave it to the DEA to be forfeited, the legal term for confiscation. (The case took a bizarre turn last year when a family that bought the car at auction discovered an additional $82,000 in the gas tank. The DEA took that money, too.) Missouri law sends forfeiture money to a public school fund. Beyond the money diverted from public funds, critics are just as troubled by the weakening of a basic American civil liberty -- the Bill of Rights protection against improper search and seizure. Owners who want to recover seized property usually face a much tougher road in federal court than they would under their own state laws. That continues despite a new federal law passed last month that will place some limits on forfeiture. The federal hand-offs, critics say, also create an opportunity for police to profit from their own actions. Indeed, they trace an increasing outcry over aggressive or illegal searches by police nationwide back to the profit motive. "If you think that by conducting an illegal search and seizing people on the highway you can increase the number of times where you can take assets, it is going to become a big motivating force," said Ira Glasser, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union. This may be one of those rare issues that elicits protests across the political spectrum -- from the ACLU to the National Rifle Association. Americans don't realize that forfeitures often occur to "ordinary people who happen to find themselves in a situation in which they are simply suspected of having been somehow involved in criminal activity, whether those suspicions ever prove out or not," said Roger Pilon, a vice president at the Cato Institute, a Libertarian think tank. "The line between a free society and a police state is usually broached in small steps." But many police complain that state laws are too restrictive, sometimes preventing them from taking the money that fuels drug operations. Others readily admit they avoid state laws because they need to use seized money to fight the war on drugs -- their own cities and states may not provide the funding otherwise. "A lot of state agencies, like the GBI,
[CTRL] MSG now sprayed on growing crops !
http://www.truthinlabeling.org/msgsprayed.htm MSG: Truth in Labeling Campaign -- http://www.truthinlabeling.org Monosodium Glutamate, MSG, glutamate, glutamic acid -- separating MSG-fact from MSG-fiction and industry propaganda MSG is Back in Baby Food - Sprayed Right on Crops as They Grow In the 1970s, reluctant food processors "voluntarily" took processed free glutamic acid (MSG) out of baby food. Today it's back, in a product called AuxiGro WP Plant Metabolic Primer (AuxiGro), being sprayed on some of the vegetables our children will eat, into the air our children must breath, and onto the ground from which it can move into drinking water. Head lettuce, leaf lettuce, tomatoes, potatoes, and peanuts were among the first crops targeted. There is now no crop that we know of that has not been approved for such spray by the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Use of processed free glutamic acid in plant "growth enhancers" to be sprayed on all crops has been approved by the EPA. Even California wine grapes have been approved for spray with AuxiGro. Approval for use on organic crops has also being requested. What's wrong with using glutamic acid, an amino acid found in protein, as a spray on crops? 1. In protein, amino acids are found in balanced combinations. Use of free glutamic acid as a spray on crops throws the amino acid balance out of kilter. 2. It's not the glutamic acid found in protein that is being sprayed on crops, it's a synthetic product. The spray being used is called AuxiGro. The "free glutamic acid" or so called "L-glutamic acid" component being used by its manufacturer, Auxein Corporation, contains L-glutamic acid, an amino acid found in protein; but it also contains D-glutamic acid, pyroglutamic acid, and other chemicals referred to as "contaminants." The free glutamic acid used in AuxiGro is processed free glutamic acid. It is manufactured -- in chemical plants -- where certain selected genetically engineered bacteria -- feeding on a liquid nutrient medium -- excrete free glutamic acid. In contrast, the free glutamic acid found in protein, and the free glutamic acid involved in normal human body function, are unprocessed. free glutamic acid, and contain no contaminants. 3. No one knows what the long term effects of spraying processed free glutamic acid on crops will be. That there will be residue left on crops has not been disputed by Auxein Corporation. But no study of either the amount of that residue, or the least amount of processed free glutamic acid needed to cause a reaction in an MSG-sensitive person, has ever been done. "It should wash off" doesn't mean it will wash off. "It seems unlikely that such a small amount would cause a reactions" doesn't mean that a small amount will not cause a reaction or have long term health effects. Free glutamic acid is known to be toxic to the nervous system. But the neurotoxic effects that processed free glutamic acid will have on animals that consume the plants on which it is sprayed - effects over and above any effects caused by external glutamic acid residue - have never been evaluated. Neither are there data on the effects that spraying processed free glutamic acid will have on drinking water. Consider, also, that children are most at risk from the effects of processed free glutamic acid. Their undeveloped blood-brain barriers leave them most at risk from exposure to processed free glutamic acid. It has been repeatedly demonstrated that infant animals fed processed free glutamic acid when young, develop neuroendocrine problems such as gross obesity, stunted growth, and reproductive disorders later in life, and that they also develop learning disabilities. Auxein Corporation did not address that particular safety issue in its application to the EPA. 4. No one knows how little glutamic acid is needed to kill a single brain cell or to trigger an adverse reaction. 5. Free glutamic acid is a neurotransmitter. It causes nerves to fire, carrying nerve impulses throughout the nervous system. 6. Free glutamic acid is a neurotoxin. Under certain circumstances, free glutamic acid will cause nerves to fire repeatedly, until they die. 7. Processed free glutamic acid kills brain cells. The free glutamic acid ingested by laboratory animals that caused brain lesions and neuroendocrine disorders was very often given in the form of the food ingredient "monosodium glutamate." "Monosodium glutamate" is the name of a particular food additive. Processed free glutamic acid is the
Re: [CTRL] [RMNEWS] WAS ELIAN'S FREEDOM FLIGHT STAGED? PART 2
On January 7th, 2000, a Rumor Mill News Source stated "that a joint operation between Cuba and the United States arranged for the small group of Cuban refugees to make an attempt to reach the United States in a small boat. For what purpose? "Once the boat was near shipping and fishing areas, it was sabotaged. Elian was the only survivor. "The anonymous source stated that Elian had NOT been in the water for two days. " I always found the claim that he was floating around for two days suspicious. He wasn't even tanned, let alone sunburned, which would have been expected after being exposed not only to the direct rays of the sun, but its reflected rays off of the water. He wasn't dehydrated, either...an almost impossible condition for a small child deprived of food and water for 2 days... And he was dressed very strangely, in dayglo orange shirt and pants, as if someone specifically chose the color that would be most visible from a distance at sea...assuring that he would be easily found in a timely manner... But we are told that Elian SAYS he was floating out there for 2 days...this leaves us with a quandry. Either he really was out there for 2 days, and his not being sunburned or dehydrated IS a sign of some divine intervention. Or he never really said he was out there for 2 days, and that story was fed to the media for some hidden reason. Or the child sincerely BELIEVES he was out there that long, perhaps due to some sort of mind control or use of drugs, or a combination of both. + Where is Elian's mother and her boyfriend? + Are they dead -- i.e. were they murdered to create "The Elian Crisis"? + Are they in prison in Cuba? Was Elian's father right when he told Elian that his mother was alive and back in Cuba? Or, as Elian believes, wandering around Miami somewhere? A man listed in the documents as a witness told The Herald on Tuesday that he found Arianne Horta and Nivaldo Fernandez several miles out to sea and brought them to Crandon Park Marina so they would not be returned to Cuba. The two survivors have insisted that they swam to shore by themselves, a story Horta repeated again this week. The discrepancy can perhaps be explained by the fact that according to law, if refugess managed to make it to shore and stand upon U.S. soil under their own volition, that they have the right to claim sanctuary. But if someone finds them out at sea and brings them to these shores, they are subject to immediate deportation. It is therefore no wonder Horta and Fernandez would claim to have swum to shore themselves, rather than admit to having been rescued while still out at sea. There is little doubt that the boat left Cuba Nov. 22. Cuban authorities telexed the U.S. Coast Guard that day reporting that a badly overloaded boat had left for the United States. And a phone bill shows that Elian's grandfather, Juan Gonzalez Hernandez, placed a collect call to his sister in Miami, Georgina Cid, at 9:01 p.m. that day to report that Elian and his mother were on their way to Miami. This is very different than the claim the supporters of the Miami gang make that Elian's FATHER called the Lazaro Gonzalez family regarding his ex-wife bringing Elian to the U.S., a claim the Miami-gang is using to claim that Elian's father wanted them to have Elian. The coordinator obtained the information from a U.S. Border Patrol officer who -- in turn -- was relaying the gist of a conversation with one of the doctors who treated Elian at Joe DiMaggio Children's Hospital in Hollywood. The Coast Guard said this week that it did not have the name of the doctor. A spokeswoman for the hospital, Lauri Brunelli, declined to comment, citing patient confidentiality. One really doesn't need the doctor's name...basic knowledge of pediatrics would tell anyone that a small child floating on a raft or inner tube for 2 or more days out at sea would be in much worse shape than Elian was in when he was found. A child's small body mass dehydrates sooner than an adult's under the same condition. Even if Elian was kept in a cool, dark room for 2 days, he would have been severely dehydrated after 2 days if he was given nothing to eat or drink. The dehydration is intensified when such a small body mass in placed in salt water under the direct rays of the sun. And has been mentioned, he should have been sunburned after just a few hours out in the sun under those conditions...he wasn't even tanned. Horta, in a story The Herald published Nov. 28, was quoted as saying she and Fernandez were rescued by a passing boat. But in a later story published Dec. 13, Horta left the impression she and Fernandez swam to shore -- a version Horta repeated Tuesday, saying that she and Fernandez made the swim after seeing the lights of Key Biscayne. Yes, after they'd been here awhile and had been made aware of what the law was, they would have every reason to modify their version from being rescued by a passing
[CTRL] Monetary Files Galore
from: http://www.fame.org/whatsnew.asp Click Here: A HREF="http://www.fame.org/whatsnew.asp"WhatsNew/A - What's New Author Title DateRating PDF Parks, Lawrence M. The Oncoming Monetary Collapse and the Fight for Honest Money 10/15/98 Parks, Lawrence M. Why the Gold Industry is Being Destroyed and What to Do About It6/25/99 Parks, Lawrence M. What Does Mr. Greenspan Really Think? (Updated) 7/25/99 Howe, Reginald War Against Gold: Central Banks Fight For Japan 7/26/99 Parks, Lawrence M. What the President Should Know about our Monetary System 9/18/99 Beloozerov, IlyaImpassioned Letter to FAME about Fiat Money 10/31/99 Parks, Lawrence M. Understanding the Fiat Money Injustice in a Nutshell 10/31/99 Mundell, Robert; and Parks, Lawrence M. Interchange between Professor Robert Mundell and Larry Parks re: the Legal Tender Issue 10/27/99 Parks, Lawrence "The Fight for Honest Monetary Weights and Measures" a White Paper published by Palisades Press: 6 essays1/17/00 Parks, Lawrence Misinformation, Disinformation, Mistakes, and Material Omissions Relating to the Money Issue in the Major Media5/9/00 Taylor, Jay Interview with Congressman Ron Paul, MD, a member of FAME's Board of Advisors NEW 5/23/00 Home | About FAME | What's New | Press Releases Notable Quotes | Publications | Labor Issues | FedWatch Research Reading List | Contact Us | LINKS | Send Info to a Friend Join the Fight for Honest Monetary Weights and Measures Send mail to: Webmaster © FAME, All rights reserved Last Updated: 05/24/00 - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky?
The most important thing is that the spraying is a new occurrence. So why not let the people know (if it's not a "bad" thing). I see it almost daily morning, noon and night. I travel and see it in most cities I go to. On a recent flight to the west coast I saw the planes spraying out my window. When we landed I had a discussion with the pilot about "clouds" at such a high altitude his reply "unusual for sure" I mentione "chemtrails" he said it was being discussed among commerical pilots but he seemed uneasy about discussing it with me. What is it? I dont know yet I wonder if it's not bad why not let the people know. Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/26/00 12:36AM In a message dated 5/25/00 9:21:39 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is too much of people wondering if some authority has a qualification and dismissing something for lack of verified evidence. There is no time for that. I know I have no time for that. I weigh what I see, what I read, what I experience, and try to put the most logical scenario together. I'm cautious to use words like 'my opinion' and 'my belief'. I'm not arguing in a court of law, I'm just trying to figure things out. I thought that's why we were here on this list in the first place. That's why I'm here. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OSLO Legalisms...setting the stage (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:07:36 + From: MER [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MER [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OSLO Legalisms...setting the stage ___ __ / |/ / /___/ / /_ //M I D - E A S T R E A L I T I E S / /|_/ / /_/_ / /\\ Making Sense of the Middle East /_/ /_/ /___/ /_/ \\MILITARY CONTROL REMAINS OVER PALESTINIANS http://www.MiddleEast.Org News, Information, Analysis That Governments, Interest Groups, and the Corporate Media Don't Want You To Know! - - - - - - - - - - IF YOU DON'T GET MER, YOU JUST DON'T GET IT! To receive MER regularly email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ISRAEL RETAINS MILITARY CONTROL OVER PALESTINIANS ADMITS TOP LEGAL ADVISER AT OSLO "In a struggle on the verge of the abyss, any misstep could cause both sides to go over the edge.." "One of the conditions necessary for a state to exist is freedom from foreign rule. Israel clearly maintains control in the West Bank and Gaza - full control in Area C, partial control in Area B (exceeding that of Palestinian jurisdiction - as mentioned in Section 13 of the interim agreement). According to certain clauses contained in the interim agreement, even in Area A, Palestinian autonomy is subject to the higher jurisdiction of Israeli military rule." Main Israeli author of "Oslo Accords" MID-EAST REALITIES - www.MiddleEast.Org - Washington - 5/25/2000: The historic stage is being set. The Americans are going to have an election in November. The Israelis have cleared the decks with their rapid departure from occupied Lebanon. Everywhere there is a race to position oneselve for what is to come, to arm, and to get prepared. And the grand Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat has chosen a time just two months before the U.S. elections -- a time of maximum political leverage for the Israelis -- to once more "declare" the State he has actually declared quite a few times already but over which he is at best more of a Chief of tribal areas, now armed and paid by the Israelis and Americans in fact, than an independent President. In this context, the propaganda machines are gearing up as well as the Generals. Here is what Israel's top legal adviser at Oslo, and in fact the man who primarily drafted the Oslo Accords, has to say about the basic framework that the Arafat regime agreed to back in 1993. Sadly, he's pretty much on the mark, at least when it comes to what is actually written and signed. As Edward Said has repeatedly pointed out, Arafat's people had no legal advisers; many of his people don't even speak English very well, including himself; and it appears from those who should know that the Arafat team didn't really even read and understand all the agreements they put to pen. No wonder the Americans and Israelis were so extra eager to rush them to the White House to sign everything in front of the whole world! Oh yes, this time around, the Israelis are more crafty then ever and have their legal advisers working overtime too. They actually now want a Palestinian "State", for their legal advisers are now busy drafting agreements for Arafat to sign that will in reality sign away even more Palestinian rights, legitimize the great majority of their settlements, immunize them from legal challenges in the future, accept Jerusalem under Israeli sovereignty, and "end" the conflict at this point in history with them way on top and the Palestinians way on the bottom. It won't be a real State of course, for in reality the Israeli army will still surround them everywhere and who comes and goes will still be decided by Israel -- but Arafat is the big pretender and they know it! And that's just the point. While posturing otherwise for Arab public opinion, most of all now the Israelis are desperate to have all this done while Arafat is still alive to do the dirty deed, something no one else could or would be able to do. What Arafat has been legitimizing ever since Oslo is the old Israelis "autonomy" plans that go back to Yigal Allon in the 1970s and Menachem Begin and Ariel Sharon in the 80s. The "State" that is coming, and which the Israelis really do want at this point, is actually a group of "connected" Reservations, with Israeli settlements, by-pass roads, informers, and Army checkpoints everywhere, no matter how visually camouflaged and rhetorically obscured. "Separate" at this time in history and in the way it is being done is in reality the formula for "legalized" Palestinian dispossession, agreed to by their own leaders! So now the real big push is on. Lebanon was a sideshow, which is why Barak took care of it quickly as he did, paying the price that he did. Now things are moving toward center stage, and its Arafat they intend to bring on one
[CTRL] TOTALLY OT, but funny: Drudge: PRESIDENT REFUSES TO WEAR SEATBELT DURING AIRPLANE TAKEOFF (fwd)
X DRUDGE REPORT X THURSDAY MAY 25, 2000 21:16:48 ET X STRAPS-OFF! PRESIDENT REFUSES TO WEAR SEATBELT DURING AIRPLANE TAKEOFF **Exclusive** President Clinton stunned reporters on Thursday evening when he refused to wear his seatbelt during takeoff aboard Air Force One, in direct violation of federal law! One reporter tells the DRUDGE REPORT that as the rest of the plane's occupants were strapped in during takeoff, the president was stretched over a tabletop conducting a press interview. "He was not wearing a seatbelt," said the source. "He was oblivious, just talking away, as the plane took off. Clearly it was a dangerous situation. We were lucky there was no turbulence during takeoff." The president was politely reminded that he must wear a seatbelt, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned, but Clinton refused. Federal law requires everyone to wear seatbelts during landing and takeoff on flights in the United States. On commercial flights, passengers who refuse to wear belts can be fined $1,100 per violation, according to FAA regulations. --- Filed by Matt Drudge Reports are moved when circumstances warrant http://www.drudgereport.com for updates (c)DRUDGE REPORT 2000 = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fascists in the Belfry
Sad but quite true. many American Captains of Industry were pro German pro Fascist. Melon, Rockafeller, Kennedy and the list goes on and on. No news here. Carl A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ABCNEWS.com : Pentagon to Post Computer Threat
from: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/pentagon000523.html Click Here: A HREF="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/pentagon000523.html"ABCNE WS.com : Pentagon to Post Computer Threat /A - The Information Gauge Pentagon Initiates DEF-CON-style Warnings for Computer Threats The Pentagon has decided to post warnings when it is under an information warfare attack-- much as it would if there was a more traditional military or terrorist threat. (PhotoDisc) By Barbara Starr W A S H I N G T O N, May 23 Following the Love Bug computer virus earlier this month, the Pentagon has now decided to post warnings when it is under an information warfare attack much as it would if there was a more traditional military or terrorist threat. Throughout the Cold War, for example, the military posted defense conditions, more commonly referred to as Def-Cons, which spelled out the state of military alert. Def-Con Normal indicated there was no unusual activity. If tensions rose, then troops would be placed on a rising scale of alert status such as Def-Con Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, and Delta. In recent years, there has also been posting of similar Threat-Cons, indicating an alert for a possible terrorist attack. As threat-cons escalate, commanders then take increased security steps, such as checking all cars entering a base, or in an extreme instance shutting a base down to outsiders. Information Conditions Now, the military will post Info-Cons or information conditions indicating the level of alert for a possible computer attack. The Info-Con warnings will be decided at the U.S. Space Command, in Colorado Springs, Colo., which has responsibility for the militarys Joint Task Force on Computer Network Defense. The concept for posting military Information Conditions was actually decided on before the Love Bug attack during an information warfare training exercise earlier this year. But when the Love Bug hit, military officials decided to move ahead with their plans more rapidly. The reason was that the Love Bug virus was so much more virulent and widespread than anything the military had seen before. When it swept across military computer networks around the world, individual administrators, or military commanders, all took their own actions on dealing with the problem. Some installations shut down e-mail for days, causing massive disruptions throughout the network. As a result, military computer experts decided they needed to have a central coordinating mechanism for telling installations about threats, and recommending specific network-wide actions so that solutions can be coordinated. Individual Problems This admittedly is a different approach from terrorist warnings, notes one military official. In the case of threat conditions, specific response actions are left up to local commanders on the belief that they know best how to deal with their installations. But the Love Bug showed that individual actions can cause cascading problems around the system. Now, in the event of another major information warfare attack, an info-con will be posted and commanders ordered to take a variety of actions to defend the integrity of their networks. Actions could range from rejecting e-mails from unknown addresses all the way to shutting down networks. The need to come up with information condition warnings after the Love Bug was further underscored because that virus was the first to penetrate classified computer systems. Officials now believe the four infections of classified computers were possibly the result of classified addresses being listed in unclassified address books and firewalls being breached. Officials at Space Command hope to have the final details defining information condition warning levels established in the next few weeks. A recent General Accounting Office report reviewing the impact of the Love Bug on the entire federal government noted the severe impact on the Defense Department. The department expended what GAO called enormous efforts at containing and then recovering from Love Bug. Military personnel from across the department were pulled in from their primary responsibilities. If the attack had gone on further, the department would have had to call in reservists to help, according to the report. Some DoD computers required a complete reloading of their software packages. Levels of THREAT-CONs* Classification Definition THREAT-CON NORMAL No threat of terrorist activity is present. THREAT-CON ALPHAThere is a general threat of possible terrorist activity against installations, building locations, and/or personnel, the nature and extent of which are unpredictable. THREAT-CON BRAVOThere is an increased and more predictable threat of terrorist activity even though no particular target has been identified. THREAT-CON CHARLIE An incident has occurred or intelligence has
Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .
In a message dated 5/26/00 10:40:59 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A pattern is emerging clearly and I finally think I understand what is going on here. Thank you, nessie, for helping to make it so obvious. Samantha ***For those who understand no explanation is necessary. For those who do not no explanation will suffice. Carl A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Child Prostitution Coverup Continues.
from:alt.conspiracy As, always, Caveat Lector Om K - Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:617637"Child Prostitution Coverup Continues./A - Subject: Child Prostitution Coverup Continues. From: "James Graf" A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED] t/A Date: Thu, May 25, 2000 6:21 PM Message-id: pkkX4.2077$[EMAIL PROTECTED] To All: In January, 1993, at Bethanië refugee camp in Rijsbergen, the Netherlands, I witnessed a ten-year-old girl being dispatched on signal to the room of an American agent. A boy in the camp had earlier told me "You know, you can date those girls. Just say `raspberry.'" I had seen the same little girl at Sandholm Refugee Camp in Birkerød, Denmark in December, 1991 and in Elizabeth, New Jersey, USA in the summer of 1992. The American agents stalking me were apparently also abusing her. Two or three days after I reported the abuse to camp authorities, the Dutch Government forcibly repatriated me. My own story is told in "Hard Realities" on my web site at A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/nj/jhgraf/hardreal.html"http://www.angelfir e.com/nj/jhgraf/hardreal.html/A. On September 18, 1995, I wrote a letter to the police at Rijsbergen that contained the following: "What happened at the camp after my deportation? Was anyone hurt? Was the sexual exploitation of Jalilah, her sister, and possibly others ever prosecuted? Jalilah's `father' was apparently an American agent ... Was he brought to justice, or does he still have the opportunity to ruin young lives under color of `national security?' Have you taken steps to prevent American mind-control experts from committing similar crimes?" There was no response. My letter of the same date addressed to the refugee camp came back to me eight months later, partly opened. My November 12, 1996 letter to the Belgian Embassy in Washington, DC stated: "Particularly in light of recent events in Belgium, your government should concern itself with the activities of those American agents who operated so freely in Denmark, the United States, the Netherlands, and your country. Were they merely using children and young women as bait in entrapment schemes, or were they subjecting these innocent human beings to even more serious sexual exploitation? Where are these women and girls, these human beings, now? Are they still alive? Does anybody care? Does anybody dare to care?" There was no response. My letter of December 3, 1996 to the UN High Commissioner for Refugees included this: "I enclose also a copy of my letter dated 18 September, 1995 to the Dutch Immigration Police at Rijsbergen. No response was ever forthcoming. In the light of recent events in Belgium, might appropriate action taken then, or earlier, have saved innocent young lives?" There was no response. On December 7, 1996, I sent a long letter to Judith Coelewij-Kolk of the Dutch Immigration and Naturalization Department. In it I said: "One day [at Van Helmont Hospital in Vilvoorde, Belgium] I saw Jalilah and her `brother.' `Christmas Angel' was not with them, and they were in the custody of someone other than the man who had acted as their `father' in Holland. We didn't speak, or even give a sign of recognition. "On another occasion, I saw Jalilah sitting alone in a waiting room. She smiled at me, but seemed to be looking right through me. What was done to this child? ... Ms. Coelewij-Kolk, I am not delusional, and I think you know it. Everything I claim is true. The things I have witnessed and experienced are an abomination in the eyes of humanity, not to be tolerated by any person of decency and good will. Please do whatever you can to bring the truth to light, so that justice may be done." There was no response. In 1998, I sent excerpts from this letter to Ms. Coelewij-Kolk by e-mail. Still, no response. The Dutch Ministry of Justice has not provided any information, nor has any action been taken, to the best of my knowledge. So extensive is the coverup that, when I tried to post a message about this scandal on the Nonviolence Web Discussion Board, the moderator permanently banned me (see Message 59.1 on JH Graf's Human Rights Forum A HREF="http://forums.delphi.com/n/main.asp?webtag=jhgrafmsg=59.1)"http://f orums.delphi.com/n/main.asp?webtag=jhgrafmsg=59.1)/A. The abuse of little children by the satanic American forces I encountered in Europe must surely be just the tip of a large, dirty iceberg. There may be hundreds, even thousands of innocent children held in slavery by these monsters. If that is not the case, why the coverup? I invite all persons of good will to contact the Dutch Minister of Justice, Mr. A.H. (Benk) Korthals. He can be reached as follows: A.H. Korthals Minister of Justice Post Office Box 20301 2500 EH The Hague The Netherlands fax 31-70-370 79 37 Ask the esteemed minister to consider the fate of Jalilah and "Christmas Angel" and the other children under the control of American, NATO, or Interpol child molesters. Unless law and
[CTRL] Traitor Bush or Tratior Gore, who you voting for?
from:alt.conspiracy As, always, Caveat Lector Om K - Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:617594"Traitor Bush or Tratior Gore, who you voting for?/A - Subject: Traitor Bush or Tratior Gore, who you voting for? From: A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "[EMAIL PROTECTED] /A (Nancy Luft) Date: Thu, May 25, 2000 10:32 AM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi! Which traitor are you going to vote for: Gore the Bore or Bush the Shrub? Please read my web pages completely and learn that they are both guilty of high treason! Gore is treasonously hiding the fact that the Russians are attacking the USA with sputnik lasers and kill some 50,000 Americans annually in auto accidents along, etc., cause all our natural disasters, etc., as did Presidents Bush and Reagan. The Bush Family belongs to Rockefellers' Trilateral Commission and Rockefellers' RIGHT WING Rich Man's Mafia is The Conspiracy which has overthrown our government and criminally controls all of our major political parties. PLEASE read my web pages to learn more http:/community.webtv.net/NancyLuft/Nancy Or are you planning on doing what all kinds of Democrats, Independents, along with Republicans are going to do, just vote for the dumbest one, who promises NO GUN CONTROL so that you can shoot all traitors? The REVOLUTION to kill all our rich because they all belong to Rockefellers' RIGHT WING Rich Man's Mafia, aka The Conspiracy, is nearing very rapidly. Have you purchased your guns and ammo yet? If you haven't you really should hurry as all hell is going to break out soon in the USA and you do not want to be caught with your pants down! When the REVOLUTION soon hits everyone is going to keep guns and ammo! Virtually everyone is believing me and not that fictitious Zog bullshit that the Rockefellers' RIGHT WING Rich Man's Mafia created to wrongly blame as that is why hate crimes against Jews have declined and Rockefellers' machine has been promoting, esp. on the Internet. Prepare for WAR as the TRUTH is rapidly spreading. And PLEASE keep spreading the TRUTH as the Truth shall FREE US! -(0)- -(0)- -(0)- NOTE: Washington DC is trying to copy Russian sputniks with gamma ray, x ray, lasers that already exist. This will soon cause the Russians to nuke the USA and annihilate the USA in an utterly one sided nuclear war, because all nukes only work if they are zapped by those sputnik lasers to make them work! Free the USA of Rockefellers' RIGHT WING Rich Man's Mafia, aka The Conspiracy, so we can do a treaty with Russia and thereby not be annihilated! There are TRAITORS who do not like me posting this information and they will post things to try and discredit me ... PLEASE ignore them and read my revised (24 May 2000) web pages COMPLETELY and decide for yourself! A HREF="http://community.webtv.net/NancyLuft/Nancy"http://community.webtv.ne t/NancyLuft/Nancy/A Thank you greatly, Nancy Ann Luft 1515A S. 10th Street Milwaukee, WI 53204 (414) 645-2390 [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF="http://community.webtv.net/NancyLuft/Nancy"http://community.webtv.ne t/NancyLuft/Nancy/A FREEDOM FIGHTERS: Spreading the TRUTH to everyone is the very first step in the fight to free us! - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bilderberg: 1999 Steering Committee Meeting - Washington, D.C.
from:alt.conspiracy As, always, Caveat Lector Om K - Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:617530"Bilderberg: 1999 Steering Committee Meeting - Washington, D.C./A - Subject: Bilderberg: 1999 Steering Committee Meeting - Washington, D.C. From: A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Date: Thu, May 25, 2000 4:58 AM Message-id: 8gj4g1$34c$[EMAIL PROTECTED] Global Citizens: Mr. Ruth: While reading your article SLIDING INTO SERFDOM: Are We Out of Time? The Monetary Rape of Ecuador-The Globalist Plot for the Americas, I noticed the mention of Stanley Fischer who has, in the past, attended secret meetings of the Bilderberg Society. My basic approach to the study of the Bilderberg Globalists is to work from the lists below using name and find function. These partciipant lists (participation in secret, Bilderberg meetings) are treated as my concern as an American citizen that a global agenda is proceeding in secrecy in the form of Trilateralism - the euro in Europe; the dollar in the Americas and, finally, a single monetary currency in Asia. Talk of a One World currency no longer seems an unreasonable discussion. Do you agree? And finally - what do you define as global citizen? I do not see many. Philip Rick Henika [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Open Letter to the Bilderberg: You are listed as one of a group of Bilderberg Club Members who are invited to a secret Bilderberg "steering committee meeting" in Washington D.C. next month (November 4-5, 1999). This meeting is scheduled to place in the Library of Congress and is sponsored by the American Friends of Bilderberg (1). I oppose the purpose and mindset of this Bilderberg meeting because of the implications that the Bilderberg's precedents includes secrecy and global anarchy as means of severing institutions from the People. I quote from the article below (1): "According to sources which penetrated the high-security meetings in the past, the Bilderberg meetings emphasize a globalist agenda and promote the idea that the notion of national sovereignty is antiquated and regressive." (1) My criteria for a Bilderberg Club Member include: (a) Bilderberg names appear on the following Lists as have attending secret meetings from 1995-1999 1995 - A HREF="http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk/cocktail.htm#List"http://www.tlio .demon.co.uk/cocktail.htm#List/A 1996 - A HREF="http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk/bildlist.htm"http://www.tlio.demo n.co.uk/bildlist.htm/A 1997 - A HREF="http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk/1997.htm"http://www.tlio.demon.co .uk/1997.htm/A 1998 - A HREF="http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk/1998.htm"http://www.tlio.demon.co .uk/1998.htm/A 1999a - A HREF="http://www.the-news.net/bildeberg/index.htm"http://www.the-n ews.net/bildeberg/index.htm/A (a "redesigned" site*) (2) 1999b - THE NEW GLOBAL ORDER; The next Bilderberg meeting; Secret roster, agenda for Washington conference; © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com - transcribed and annotated list. (b) Bilderbergs have met secretly at one time or another since 1954 - the meetings are usually accompanied by extraordinary amount of security (last year's secret meeting was in Sintra, Portugal; June 3-6, 1999); (c) Bilderbergs discourage presentation of its agenda to the media - no press conference is held to question or scrutinze what the Bilderberg Club has discussed in terms of global policy and (d) Bilderbergs misrepresent their constituency and consumers by not exposing on their curriculum vitae that they are members of the Bilderberg Club. As a global citizen, I oppose Bilderberg secrecy and wish for the Bilderberg Club to come forth with their agenda and infuse it into an open society. Even [Bilderberg - my comment] George Soros professes to be an advocate of an open society at his Open Society Institute web site A HREF="http://soros.org/osi.html"http://soros.org/osi.html/A. Mr. Soros is listed as an invitee to the November, 1999, Bilderberg "steering committee meeting" in Washington D.C. (1). Until this Bilderberg Society secrecy is abolished, I will report on the activities of as many Bilderberg as I possibly can. This letter continues as reference (1) with annotations and questions: "(1) THE NEW GLOBAL ORDER The next Bilderberg meeting Secret roster, agenda for Washington conference © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com The secretive Bilderberg society, a group some believe conspires semi-annually to foster global government, will hold a steering committee meeting in Washington next month, WorldNetDaily has learned. The Nov. 4-5 conference, featuring invited guests such as Vice President Al Gore" ( will the text of this speech be available at Gore's official web site - A HREF="http://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/EOP/OVP/index-"http ://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/EOP/OVP/index-/A plain.html ? ) "and presidential candidate John McCain," ( will the text of this speech be available at John McCain's official
[CTRL] Bilderberg Meeting; Peacebuilding and Bohemian Club
from:alt.conspiracy As, always, Caveat Lector Om K - Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:617526"Bilderberg Meeting; Peacebuilding and Bohemian Club/A - Subject: Bilderberg Meeting; Peacebuilding and Bohemian Club From: A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Date: Thu, May 25, 2000 4:25 AM Message-id: 8gj2ij$1km$[EMAIL PROTECTED] Global Citizens: Many of you have probably already heard about the location of the 2000 Bilderberg Meeting (1). Also, I am trying another tact this year by attempting to persuade the Bilderberg toward peacebuilding (2). I am also going to aim the argument toward infamous, men's only Bohemian Club as they meet in July to do ritualistic self harm and foment global policy (3 - sonomacountyfreepress.org/bohos/bohoindx.html ) - Rick (1) Subject: Bilderberg 2000 location revealed Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 07:30:20 -0700 1. Bilderberg 2000 location revealed 2. Welcoming committee invite 3. Bilderberg's New Chairman and his background "With only 11 days to go, this year's Conference venue has been exposed by U.S. Bilderberg chaser Jim Tucker: (spotlight.org) This right-wing newspaper is the only one which will publish Jim's revelations on these super-elite conferences. Let us hope this year some more green left-leaning publications will grasp the nettle too. 1-4 June 2000 The Chateau Du Lac Hotel 15-20 kilometers outside of Brussels Belgium The Chateau Du Lac Hotel Web Page: ( hotelbook.com/static/welcome_21468.html ) Address: The Chateau Du Lac Hotel Avenue Du Lac 87 Brussels 1332 Belgium Phone: 02-6557111 Fax: 02-6557444 !ALL ARE INVITED TO JOIN THE WELCOMING COMMITTEE THAT IS GOING TO BE THERE Etienne Davignon who chaired last year in Sintra, Portugal for the first time. Here are just some of the positions held by this highly influential man, as unelected as he is unknown to the general public. New Bilderberg chairman - Viscount Etienne Davignon Vice-Chair of the European Commission in the 1980's, Viscount Etienne Davignon is Chairman of Societe Generale De Belgique - massive banking and utility conglomerate in Belgium. He is also Chair of the shadowy European Round Table of Industrialists, who formulate policy for the European Commission to implement. Not suprising then that most of the directives coming out of Europe are monopolistic and pro big business. Davignon is a founder member of and President of AMUE, the Association for the Monetary Union of Europe as well as being a member of David Rockefeller's Trilateral Commission, The European Institute in Washington and a Director of Anglo American mining. In his position as Industry Commissioner in the 1980's Davignon was instrumental in turning European Institutions from supporting small business to supporting big business. He did this by getting European Industrialists, through the ERT, to draft Euro-policy, an anti-democratic practice continued to this day. Bilderberg Chairman - Viscount Etienne Davignon and his company ( generale.be/CommUK/CVUK/CV2StevieUK.html ) European Round Table of Industrialists ( ert.be/ ) 'Europe Inc.' Davignon's key role in the new democracy-free Europe - by Corporate Europe Observatory ( xs4all.nl/~ceo/eurinc/chap2_1.html ) and ( xs4all.nl/~ceo/eurinc/chap2_5.html ) Societe General de Belgique - critical appraisal: ( geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/4324/quste31.htm ) Association for the Monetary Union of Europe ( amue.org/ ) Govenor of The Ditchley Foundation ( 206.105.0.182/listings/index.htm ) New Ditchley Website ( ditchley.co.uk/ ) The European Institute in Washington ( europeaninstitute.org/ei14.cfm ) Director of The Anglo American plc Board ( angloamerican.co.uk/Corporate/corp_angolopc.asp ) Member of the Trilateral Commission ( trilateral.org/ ) ERT Critical report from ASEED ( itk.ntnu.no/ansatte/Andresen_Trond/finans/others/EU-ecologist-24-4 ) // Power Elite Public Information Service - www.bilderberg.org/bilder.htm#pepis PLEASE FORWARD TO NEWSGROUPS AND ANYONE YOU FEEL WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THIS INFORMATION This is an occasional free email list as part of the campaign for accountability and press access to Bilderberg and similar elite meetings. See www.bilderberg.org/bilder.htm for more info. To subscribe or unsubscribe send me [EMAIL PROTECTED] an email with PEPIS in the subject header. This list archived at ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) and ( egroups.com/list/PEPIS/ ) \\ The Bible on the End Times: ( bilderberg.org/trib.htm ) (2) In a letter to me from Mr. Lloyd Axworthy (Canada's Minister of Foreign Affairs), he suggests the term "peacebuilding" as an initiative of foreign policy: "On November 17, 1999, I visited Kosovo to show Canada's strong support for Canadian citizens, other
Re: [CTRL] The Framing of Patsy Ramsey
In a message dated 5/26/00 10:39:33 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Patsy Ramsey did not exactly fit the white supremacist profile, and she certainly wasn't known to participate in "ritual murder." Has Constantine forgotten his own research on satanic ritual abuse? The mutilated carcass of a cat was left on Steve Thomas's front lawn (if his statements have any credibility, given the flagrant distortions in his book on the case, clearly contrived to widen the umbrella of suspicion that has hung over the parents since the smears began). In my opinion, Steve Thomas has more credibility in this case than anyone else. I'm disappointed in Constantine's quality of journalism here. Another one bites the dust. The moderator, J2 and nessie no doubt feel all snuggly-warm knowing that Constantine also adheres to the "ridicule, humiliate and demean" method of dealing with people who provide evidence of UFOs and their non-human origin. Yeah, this list has been gotten to - or it's part of the "getter" group. The latter seems more feasible. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Prospect Magazine / Origin of AIDS
from:alt.conspiracy As, always, Caveat Lector Om K - Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:617295"Prospect Magazine / Origin of AIDS/A - Subject: Prospect Magazine / Origin of AIDS From: "Tom Keske" A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Date: Tue, May 23, 2000 5:39 PM Message-id: ixFW4.52831$[EMAIL PROTECTED] "PROSPECT" Magazine (UK), June 2000, pp. 31-35. The origin of Aids by Matt Ridley PERMISSION HAS BEEN GRANTED BY THE PUBLISHER OF "PROSPECT" MAGAZINE (UK) FOR DISTRIBUTION OF THIS ARTICLE - [Books authored by Matt Ridley: Genome : The Autobiography of a Species in 23 Chapters (2000) The Future of Disease : Predictions (1999) The Origins of Virtue : Human Instincts and the Evolution of Cooperation (1996) The Red Queen : Sex and the Evolution of Human Nature by Matt Ridley (1995) Warts and All : The Men Who Would Be Bush (1989)] - Most scientists believe that Aids was naturally transferred from primates to human beings via a hunter who ate a chimpanzee. But a competing theory claims that Aids was caused in the 1950s when thousands of Africans were given a live polio vaccine derived from chimp kidneys. The stakes are getting higher. - The death of William Donald Hamilton on 7th March 2000 reverberated through biology like a thunderclap. Hamilton was probably the most famous evolutionary biologist in the world; a man whose bold theories had given birth to fruitful fields of inquiry not once but three times. It was not the manner of his death which shook his colleagues so much. He died of malaria contracted in the Congo rain forest, where he had been looking for chimpanzee feces- a tragic but not unsuitable death for a great naturalist whose curiosity about the animals of the tropical forest was an abiding theme of his life. What was disturbing was the reason why he was in the Congo in the first place. He was there in pursuit of an unfashionable, not to say cranky, theory: that Aids was caused by polio vaccination. There was a general feeling, only muttered, that Bill might have gone a touch eccentric in endorsing this theory. Great scientists can go that way towards the end of their careers. (Linus Pauling believed that vitamin C could cure cancer. Fred Hoyle thought flu came from outer space. Alfred Russel Wallace became a spiritualist.) They seem to lose their scepticism. Some of Hamilton's biologist colleagues were therefore embarrassed by his conversion to an unfashionable conspiracy theory. Theories about Aids have a tendency to become conspiracy theories, blaming either the medical profession or the military. But Hamilton was not often wrong. And it now looks as if he may be proved posthumously right about this one, too. A month after he died, a big American laboratory bowed to pressure which it had been resisting for eight years, and released for independent testing five samples of a polio vaccine held in a deep freeze. A meeting of the Royal Society, to discuss the theory, had already been arranged for this May by Hamilton and two AIDS researchers. In the wake of his death this meeting assumed symbolic significance. Several prominent AIDS researchers announced that they would boycott it in protest at the respectability it lent to the vaccine theory. The Royal Society postponed the conference until the autumn- to the anger of Hamilton's family. The stakes are getting higher. Like all good conspiracy theories, the polio vaccine theory's originators are its worst enemies. Chief of these, Louis Pascal, wrote long and angry polemics from a New York address and refused to meet even his supporters. The theory was first aired in public in 1992 in a long article in Rolling Stone magazine- which did not encourage scientists to take it seriously. Then it came to the attention of Edward Hooper, an unusually tenacious man. Hooper is British; he has spent much of his life in Africa, doing jobs ranging from storekeeper at a diamond mine to working for the BBC in Uganda. He was already writing a book about the origin and history of AIDS, his second book about the disease. He had investigated several theories of origin and found most of them insubstantial or implausible. At first he thought the vaccine theory implausible, too. But gradually he found himself unable to dismiss it; worse, he found that the facts fitted it rather well. Worse still, when he asked those closest to the subject to disprove it to him, he was confronted not with contradictory evidence but with bluster, threats of legal action and angry denials. You cannot pull the wool over Hooper's eyes. He checks everything. He digs out old colonial newspapers from the archives of Belgian libraries. He calls on the widows and children of long-dead scientists who might have had something to do with part of the story. He tracks down relatives of those who died of AIDS early in the epidemic. So when he began to find glaring holes in the arguments put forward to
[CTRL] Spin, Mike Wallace and 60 Minutes
from: from:alt.conspiracy As, always, Caveat Lector Om K - Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:617232""Spin", Mike Wallace and 60 Minutes/A - Subject: "Spin", Mike Wallace and 60 Minutes From: A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Date: Tue, May 23, 2000 10:36 AM Message-id: 8gefi3$pk7$[EMAIL PROTECTED] A Deeper Look A HREF="http://www.blackelectorate.com/archives/051600.asp"http://www.blacke lectorate.com/archives/051600.asp/A "Spin", Mike Wallace and 60 Minutes - Part I Beginning the day after CBS News announced that its newsmagazine 60 Minutes would be featuring Minister Farrakhan and Atillah Shabazz in a three-way conversation with Mike Wallace, BlackElectorate.com posted a speech that Minister Farrakhan gave in May of 1995, at the Apollo Theatre, during his historic meeting with Malcolm X's wife Dr. Betty Shabazz. We posted the speech in the hopes that our website viewers would be able to compare Minister Farrakhan's words - spoken at the beginning of his reconciliation process with the Shabazz family in 1995- with those that would be shown, however edited, 5 years later, on 60 Minutes last Sunday night.. No one at BlackElectorate.com had seen any footage of the interview other than the brief video clips that had been blasted over the airwaves the previous day and night. Though we had not seen the video tape it was our suspicion that the manner in which CBS and the 'mainstream media' were portraying portions of the Minister's interview on 60 Minutes- as some new admission, made by Minister Farrakhan, that he had played a leading role in the assassination of Malcolm X - was deliberately misleading and even malicious. The crux of the controversial advertising was that CBS' promotion implied that the Minister had something do with the actual murder of Malcolm X, which would mean that he was directly involved with the planning, plotting and shooting of his former mentor. After watching 60 Minutes we are certain that our suspicion was correct. The 12-minutes that 60 Minutes devoted to the three-way conversation while historic, emotional and candid, were certainly not what the media advertisements implied it to be: an admission from Minister Farrakhan that he was instrumental in the assassination of Malcolm X. Rather, Minister Farrakhan was clearly expressing, in the interview, that he was among those who used words that helped to create the climate in which the planning, plotting and execution of the murder of Malcolm occurred but which was engineered by individuals other than Minister Farrakhan. Minister Farrakhan made a clear distinction between himself and those who actually planned and plotted the assassination as well as those who performed the shooting. How CBS arrived at the decision to advertise the show in a way that would connect Minister Farrakhan to the deepest and most sinister aspects of Malcolm's death is a legitimate question and one that deserves an answer from those involved in the production, marketing and promotion of the show. In addition to this, there is no way that the 12 minutes which were broadcast could possibly represent the truth, the spirit and overriding theme of the four-hours of conversation that actually took place between Ms. Shabazz and Min. Farrakhan. It is interesting that CBS and Mike Wallace paid little attention to the history of the nearly five- year reconciliation effort begun by Minister Farrakhan and Atillah's mother, Dr. Betty Shabazz. It was obvious that the true history and progress of the reconciliation effort was not what Mike Wallace and 60 Minutes were interested in showcasing. In order to see some of the impact of the promotion of the 60 Minutes show; the orientation of Mike Wallace's mind and some of his questionable actions prior to the show and the context out of which Mike Wallace and 60 Minutes did what they did, we direct you to a communication written by Economist Jude Wanniski, President of Polyconomics Inc. who has come to know Minister Farrakhan personally in recent years and who had spent extensive amounts of time studying Minister Farrakhan's words and actions prior to meeting him. He, like many others, was understandably negatively impacted by the early stages of CBS' promotion of the program. However, with unusual perception and dogged determination, he separated the wheat from the chaff and saw something less than honest in CBS' promotion of the program. His perspective is extremely valuable and comes from an individual who is very familiar with the inner-workings of the 'mainstream media' and its intersection with many of the most prominent leaders of America's political and business establishment. The communication was written on Friday afternoon May 12, 2000 and by Saturday May 13, 2000 it had been sent out to over 100 of the American media's most influential political reporters. Here it is unedited: You may know that for the last four years I have been defending Nation of Islam leader
[CTRL] 'Gay' [homo] sex gag order amended [tufts university]
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_fosterj_news/2526_xnfoj_gay_sex_ga.shtml Bard No more homo sex education.. No more (kid)nappings..No more phony warrants..No more Little Havanna's..No more OKC's..No more Waco's..No more Ruby Ridge's..(the above can only happen if the DemoRats and RepubRats are thrown out of office.) BUCHANAN-Reformhttp://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm 'Gay' sex gag order amended.url
[CTRL] The Sold-Out Media
from:alt.conspiracy As, always, Caveat Lector Om K - Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:617230"The Sold-Out Media /A - Subject: The Sold-Out Media From: Freedom Project A HREF="mailto:Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]"Use-A uthor-Address-Header@[127.1]/A Date: Tue, May 23, 2000 11:36 AM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted by: "Tom Keske" [EMAIL PROTECTED] apologist for the American media wrote: When we published the Pentagon Papers and exposed Water Gate and Deep Throat - we gave the American people the truth. When we publish pieces like the above we make ourselves stronger as a reputable newspaper and accurate source of information. The monetary value of that type of reputation is almost beyond calculation. The dissidents shouldn't think for one blessed moment that if there was any legitimacy to their arguments we wouldn't publish them. There are to many hungry young reporters who would gladly ferret it out and love to be in the position of making their careers for life ala Woodward and Bernstein. Not to mention the accompanying Pulitzer Prizes, Movie rights, book deals, etc. I imagine that this might even be a sincere and well-intended view, but I think that it is almost total baloney.I say this not particularly in support of the Duesberg camp of dissidents, but on behalf of unorthodox views in general. It is part of the problem- these are precisely the kind of terms that most people think in: big money, movie rights, book deals. We are a nation of couch potatoes who want to be millionaires and celebrities. That is precisely why most journalists will *not* touch the story of AIDS origin. It violates too many sacred cows- America's supposed decency, the basic legitimacy of our most powerful political institutions. What if the truth isn't good for a book deal? What if you spend much of your life writing a major book, intelligently and meticulously documented, then run around to every major publisher on the planet and find not a single one willing to touch it? I converse with AIDS authors- brilliant and knowledgable people- who have precisely such stories. What if it is worse than that? Who has the rights to the "Danny Casolaro Story"?Who made money from the miniseries? Who has the movie rights to the "Ted Strecker Story"? What if the chasing of political corruption is good for being a victim of political murder, covered up and called suicide? What if it is good for a ruined career? What if it is good for nothing but becoming a ridiculed pariah? I've had direct experience with the Washington Post- it must have been more than 10 years ago that I paid about $5000 to get a short political message printed in the paper. I had to fight with them for the right to do it, threatening a sit-in at their lobby and a public hunger strike. This was a different issue, long before I even became interested in AIDS origin. They told me that their lawyers had approved my ad, but they just wanted documentation concerning one specific statement. I quoted to them a direct passage from a book that the Washington Post itself had given a stellar review, directly backing the statement. The message was a generic wording about the need to be on guard against CIA abuses. I was concerned about certain technological abilities that they had allegedly developed, that were an open ticket to further abuse.What I was describing was not really new information, simply very-little known and not put into context. The Post then did an about-face, refusing to publish and refusing to give an explanation why they would not publish. I had to delete the politically sensitive references, before I could get the remainder into print. As for Bob Woodward, I think that he is an establishment sell-out who pretends to write "expose", but it really just playing at the role, avoiding anything truly serious or hard-hitting.After all, if he seriously challenged major political powers, his access would be totally cut off, and he would no longer be able to get his little tid-bits of gossip to write his pretend-exposes. We are not only a nation of couch potatoes and sheep, but a nation of phonies and ever-present myth. In addition there is a very viable counter weight to the major papers. The minority press - The Washington Blade, The Advocate, POZ, the various City Papers etc. have every incentive economic and otherwise to explore the issue of HIV and its origins. In addition the are several organizations within the newspaper / media industry who have incentive to investigate - among them are the National Lesbian Gay Journalists Association, Hispanic Journalists Association, Black Journalists, Native American Journalists - these groups also have committees that work together to monitor the portrayal of minorities in the mainstream press. There is no real "leftist" or "alternative" press left- it has been tamed, watered-down, compromised, infiltrated,
[CTRL] Massive, Grave, Unearthed
From Polyconomics.Com }}Begin POLYCONOMICS, INC. MEMO ON THE MARGIN May 24, 2000 General Barry McCaffrey, War Criminal? To: Robert L. Bartley, Wall St. Journal editor From: Jude Wanniski Re: The Gulf War Turkey Shoot I was happy to see you run the op-ed by General McCaffrey, defending himself against "The New Yorkers Revisionist History." Id read the 25,000-word piece by Seymour Hersh in the May 22 edition of the New Yorker, "Overwhelming Force," and found it very persuasive. Ive known Sy Hersh and his work and have considered him to be a first-class reporter, one who leaves no stone unturned as he digs into a controversial story. The case he makes against McCaffrey, who is now Clintons "drug czar," is one that has been in the rumor mill for the last ten years, so I was happy to see Hersh decide to devote a year or more out of his life to reporting and writing what might be termed the case for the prosecution. That is, was McCaffrey justified in ordering an all-out attack on the Iraqi Republican Guard two days after the Gulf War ended, as its army headed back to Baghdad? As Hersh writes in the magazine article: The Iraqis were driving toward a causeway over Lake Hammar, one of five exit routes from the Euphrates River Valley to the safety of Baghdad. Overriding a warning from the division operations officer, McCaffrey ordered an assault in force an all-out attack. His decision stunned some officers in the Allied command structure in Saudi Arabia, and provoked unease in Washington. Apache attack helicopters, Bradley fighting vehicles, and artillery units from the 24th Division pummelled the five-mile-long Iraqi column for hours, destroying some seven hundred Iraqi tanks, armored cars, and trucks, and killing not only Iraqi soldiers but civilians and children as well. Many of the dead were buried soon after the engagement, and no accurate count of the victims could be made. McCaffrey later described the carnage as "one of the most astounding scenes of destruction I have ever participated in." There were no serious American combat casualties. In his defense on your Monday editorial page, Bob, McCaffrey argues that he ordered the all-out attack upon learning that "Sagger missiles and enemy rounds were fired" by the Iraqi army. He also points out that there was an official inquiry and that he was cleared of wrong-doing. He also quotes a man we all greatly admire, Gen. Colin Powell, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the war, who he says "called the article an attempt at character assassination of a soldier named Barry McCaffrey who served his nation proudly and did everything he could to protect the GIs entrusted to his care." McCaffrey notes that Hersh says "the Iraqi forces at Rumaylah were in retreat. But he wasnt there, facing an Iraqi force spanning five miles and made up of hundreds of tanks, trucks and armored personnel." You have not yet commented on this clash of opinion and perhaps you will decide to give McCaffrey the last word as far as the readers of the WSJournal are concerned. I would, though, recommend you take the trouble of reading the Hersh article, or at least that portion from pages 62 to 67 that describe the events that led to McCaffreys decision. It would be easy to clear him of wrongdoing in my own mind if there had been no time lapse between the time when reports came in that shots were fired from the direction of the retreating Iraqi army. But Hersh finds a significant time lapse before the order is given by McCaffrey, who only heard of the shots fired after there were discussions among his subordinates on what they meant and what should be done about them. He quotes Patrick Lamar, the divisions operations officer, responsible, in war, for relaying McCaffreys orders to the field units. According to Lamar, the interval after the first skirmishing by Wares battalion provoked a debate inside McCaffreys assault command post. "There was no incoming," Lamar told me. "I know that for a fact. He described the entire battle as a giant hoax. The Iraqis were doing absolutely nothing. I told McCaffrey I was having trouble confirming the incoming." It didnt matter, Lamar added. McCaffrey wanted to attack. If I were you, Bob, I would at least give Colin Powell a call and ask him to confirm the quote ascribed to him by McCaffrey about the Hersh article. If Powell really read the article and saw the time lines and quotes from senior commanders and generals and still insists that this is "character assassination," it would at least be reassuring. The reason I think Powell is so loved by the American people is that he was the fellow who stopped the "turkey shoot," the mass slaughter of young Iraqi men who were trying to get home. You have written enough editorials over the years criticizing Powell for not continuing the "turkey shoot" and going all the way to Baghdad, but I assume your own national security advisors cornered you into that position. You know, though,
[CTRL] Fwd: [corp-focus] A Tsunami of Corruption
Is "Quackenbush" a variant of "Wackenhut?" Note: forwarded message attached. __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ Below follows the last of the missing Mokhiber-Weissman columns. One correction on an earlier column. The correct URL for the Center for the Moral Defense of Capitalism is www.moraldefense.com. Robert Weissman Essential Information | Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A Tsunami of Corruption By Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman May 9, 2000 We ran into Charles Kolb the other day. Kolb is the president of the Committee for Economic Development (CED). That's the group of major American corporate executives who want campaign finance reform. They propose banning soft money contributions to national political parties, increasing individual contribution limits to $3,000 per candidate, and implementing a system of partial public funding that matches individual donations of up to $200 on a two-to-one basis. In a report released last year on the subject, the CED said that "a vibrant and well-functioning business system will not remain viable in an environment of real or perceived corruption." Kolb and the corporate executives at CED don't mind big business running roughshod over the political system -- just as long as it isn't overtly corrupt or perceived as corrupt. He made this clear last week, when he conceded that if soft money was banned, corporations would simply shift the cash into their inside-the-beltway Washington lobby operations. And that was fine with him. The companies are sick of being shaken down by every two-bit politician offering to defend this or that corporate interest. And Kolb and his colleagues rightly fear that the growing appearance of corruption will undermine public confidence in the corporate system. Kolb has reason to be worried. A veritable tsunami of corruption is crashing over the countryside. There is first and foremost the endless amount of soft money cash flowing from corporate coffers into federal campaigns and national political parties. Whether or not this cash is buying favors is beside the point -- it appears to be buying favors, and that's what is worrying Kolb. Potentially more dangerous is the real corruption that is exploding at the state and local levels. Washington's culture of corruption has given the green light to the rest of the country. "Go for it!" is the message being sent out from both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue -- and the country is responding. Let's take the tour: In Illinois, Governor George Ryan is fighting for his political life. Federal investigators allege that under Ryan's tenure as Secretary of State, the state issued driver's licenses to truckers and other drivers in exchange for cash payments that went into a political slush fund for Ryan. A number of those drivers ended up in fatal highway accidents. A number of government officials have been indicted, and federal prosecutors are gunning for the Governor. In California, Insurance Commissioner Chuck Quackenbush is under fire from consumer groups and the state's largest newspaper, the Los Angeles Times, for shielding State Farm and two other insurance companies from $3.37 billion in fines in exchange for $10.75 million in contributions to non-profit organizations and to Quackenbush's own political committees. In Oklahoma earlier this month federal officials alleged that Oklahoma's Health Department's deputy commissioner solicited bribes from nursing home owners in exchange for regulatory favors and used at least a portion of the payoffs to gamble on horse races. According to a report in the Daily Oklahoman, agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) arrested Brent VanMeter at his office after he allegedly picked up payoff money from an Oklahoma nursing home owner. VanMeter was charged with one count of soliciting a bribe. VanMeter's attorney said his client plans to plead not guilty. The Governor of Oklahoma, Frank Keating, called the health department scandal "an issue of raw, unadulterated corruption." "We need to assure the public that this will not recur, that this is intolerable and that we're going to get to the bottom of it, and that's why I have great faith in the attorney general and the U.S. attorney to do that," Keating said. Keating and CED's Kolb are trying to protect the corporate system -- stamp out obvious forms of corruption and overt appearances, the better to let corporations rule. Corruption is debilitating to any democracy. But a system where giant corporations wield tremendous power over ordinary human citizens is an open invitation to corruption. In addition to criminally prosecuting illegal bribery and outlawing legalized bribery, we must also fundamentally question the nature of the corporate beast. Should a corporation, a public creation, be free to gain unlimited power and wield that power over our democracy?
[CTRL] Police bypassing courts to hang onto drug money
from:alt.conspiracy As, always, Caveat Lector Om K - Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:617079"Police bypassing courts to hang onto drug money/A - Subject: Police bypassing courts to hang onto drug money From: Jon Roland A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"jon.roland@const itution.org/A Date: Mon, May 22, 2000 8:16 PM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF="http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap2522_1439.html"http://abcnews.go .com/wire/US/ap2522_1439.html/A Report: Police bypassing courts to hang onto drug money KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- Police across the country sidestep state laws to ensure that millions of dollars seized in drug raids and traffic stops remain in police hands, The Kansas City Star reports. In a yearlong investigation, The Star examined more than two dozen states to determine how law enforcement officers handled forfeited drug money and property. The newspaper found that in each state examined, police used federal law enforcement to circumvent their own state laws and keep most of the money for themselves. Law enforcement officials say the practice is not illegal and that police would be handcuffed in fighting crime without that money. The Star reported in the first of a two-part series Sunday that police retain most of the money by calling a federal agency during a drug seizure instead of going to state court. An agency such as the Drug Enforcement Administration accepts the seizure, making it a federal case. The DEA keeps a cut of the money and returns the rest to police. As a result, state courts are bypassed. Consequently, millions of dollars that lawmakers have designated for education, drug treatment programs and other purposes instead stay with police, The Star reported. For example, a North Carolina State Highway Patrol trooper stopped a driver for tailgating. A police dog signaled drugs were in the car, where troopers found $105,700 and 2 grams of marijuana. The driver denied owning either the drugs or the money. The highway patrol gave it to the Drug Enforcement Agency, which returned more than $80,000 to the state patrol, even though North Carolina law generally requires sending seized money to education. Federal officials say police have the proper motives for using federal law. "I don't think police agencies are in the business of profiting," said Jerry McDowell, director of the Justice Department's asset forfeiture and money laundering division. Beyond the money diverted from public funds, critics also are troubled by the weakening of a basic civil liberty -- the Bill of Rights protection against improper search and seizure. Owners who want to recover seized property usually face a much tougher road in federal court than they would under their own state laws. The federal hand-offs also create an opportunity for police to profit from their own actions, critics say. "If you think that by conducting an illegal search and seizing people on the highway you can increase the number of times where you can take assets, it is going to become a big motivating force," said Ira Glasser, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union. Forfeitures have come to mean a lot of money for police. The Justice Department says that from October 1996 through March 1999 it accepted $208,454,000 in seizures from state and local police -- much of which was returned to those agencies. Police say they need the money if they are to continue the war on drugs. If they lose forfeiture money, they say, local governments are unlikely to replace it. Copyright ©2000 ABC News Internet Ventures. Click - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF
[CTRL] Fwd: Military Automated Artillery Support Request Line
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[CTRL] Nipah virus a new killer strain
Want to send this story to another AOL member? Click on the heart at the top of this window. Nipah virus a rare new genus - study WASHINGTON, May 26 (Reuters) - The Nipah virus that killed 106 people in Malaysia and Singapore and caused livestock breeders to slaughter more than 1 million pigs in 1999 is a member of a new genus of viruses, researchers said on Friday. They said it was related to a mysterious virus, since named Hendra virus, that sickened horses and killed two people in Australia in 1994. The two species of virus make up their own genus, said William Bellini of the U.S. Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and colleagues at the University of Malaya Medical Centre in Kuala Lumpar, Malaysia, Australia's Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation and elsewhere. ``We suggest that these two viruses are representative of a new genus within the family Paramyxoviridae,'' they wrote in their report, published in Friday's issue of the journal Science. What the two viruses have in common, they said, is an ability to make people ill. ``Like Hendra virus, Nipah virus is unusual among the paramyxoviruses in its ability to infect and cause potentially fatal disease in a number of host species, including humans,'' they wrote. Nipah, apparently passed by coughing pigs, can lead to deadly encephalitis in people. It caused more than 265 causes in Malaysia and Singapore in 1998 and 1999. The researchers did a number of tests to try to identify Nipah and found it did not react with measles virus, herpes, enteroviruses or other strains, but did strongly react with antiserum for Hendra virus from Australia. ``The emergence of Hendra virus in two outbreaks of severe respiratory virus disease in thoroughbred horses in Brisbane and MacKay, Queensland, Australia, in 1994 provided the first glimpse of a zoonotic (animal) paramyxovirus with an expanded host range that includes humans,'' they wrote. ``Under experimental conditions, Hendra virus was shown to infect cats, guinea pigs, horses and fruit bats.'' Genetic analysis confirmed Nipah and Hendra were closely related enough to make up their own genus. They said experiments suggested bats were the natural host of the Nipah virus but tests have yet to turn up an infected bat. ``Thus, the reservoir of Nipah virus and the source of the virus that initiated the outbreak remain open questions,'' they wrote. Many animal viruses pass to people -- notably influenza, from pigs and ducks and the HIV virus that causes AIDS from people -- but this family of viruses had not been known to before. 11:39 05-26-00 Copyright 2000 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] fwd/ Celebrity Defends WorldNetDaily, Free Republic
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Re: [CTRL] Massive, Grave, Unearthed
In a message dated 5/26/00 11:09:58 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do I want McCaffrey punished? Of course I do, Mccaffrey made one mistake: he did not call for a second strike. No causalities on our side. we have 100,000 documented cases of Gulf War Syndrome. Bush and Powell should be brought before the peoples Court for their handling of the Gulf War. Fire until you run out of ammo, call for resupply and keep on firing. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky?
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I've seen the planes, I've seen them land. They are white jetliners. Where? When? What models? What were their markings? Specifically, what were their numbers? Did you write down their numbers? If not, why not? They are spraying. It's fact. What? Well, that's the question in which there is lots of speculation.But I'm sure it's something to further their agenda, so by default that makes it bad for you and I. Agreed. But part of the problem here is we are still at the stage of speculating as to who "they" are and what, exactly their agenda is. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Framing of Patsy Ramsey
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: the "ridicule, humiliate and demean" method of dealing with people who provide evidence of UFOs and their non-human origin. I'm bad mouthing people. I'm bad mouthing sloppy science. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Going to be in Washington DC? (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:21:32 + From: MER [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MER [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Going to be in Washington DC? ___ __ / |/ / /___/ / /_ //M I D - E A S T R E A L I T I E S / /|_/ / /_/_ / /\\ Making Sense of the Middle East /_/ /_/ /___/ /_/ \\GOING TO BE IN WASHINGTON DC? News, Information, Analysis That Governments, Interest Groups, and the Corporate Media Don't Want You To Know! --- ARE YOU going to be in Washington, D.C. in the next weeks? Let us know what days you will be here and if you would like to meet with the key people involved with MER and maybe be on a TV program about the "Peace Process". Just reply to this email letting us know when you will be in Washington DC and your name with home address and phone number. Thank you. MID-EAST REALITIES http://www.MiddleEast.Org Phone: 202 362-5266 Fax: 815 366-0800 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky?
The planes I've seen are totally white. The long blue boom hanging off the back of the plane attached to the top of the vertical stab is the only thing that hints to me it's a chemplane. There are no defining numbers or markings on the plane. Where? This is the crazy part. I'm about 10 miles from the Tulsa International Airport but near there is a national guard base, so from where I was it was difficult to tell which airport they were landing at. But I wouldn't think they would land at a public airport, but I could be wrong too. When? Last week. Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I've seen the planes, I've seen them land. They are white jetliners. Where? When? What models? What were their markings? Specifically, what were their numbers? Did you write down their numbers? If not, why not? They are spraying. It's fact. What? Well, that's the question in which there is lots of speculation.But I'm sure it's something to further their agenda, so by default that makes it bad for you and I. Agreed. But part of the problem here is we are still at the stage of speculating as to who "they" are and what, exactly their agenda is. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CHEMTRAIL BREAKTHROUGH VIA BLACKLIGHT?
I just showed this to my ex, who has a Ph.D. in molecular biology. She also is an avid conspiracy buff with a more than passing knowledge of history. She said, "I think its total disinformation, either purposeful or some poor semi-educated people being led around by the nose, in the well-known fashion." Of course, to the rest of you this is just one more opinion, or should be. Since I was not an eye witness to the events described, and have a less than adequate understanding of the chemistry involved, I have to rely on the opinion of experts. All else being equal, I prefer to rely on the opinion of the expert I know personally and not some guy I read on the internet who I've never met and who may or may not even exist. This is not the absolute best scientific method on my part, but it's the best I can manage on my budget. If any of you can do better, please do and keep us posted on your findings. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Alex C.and The Framing of Patsy Ramsey
In a message dated 5/26/00 10:39:33 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: Alex Constantine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Framing of Patsy Ramsey Date: Sunday, May 14, 2000 12:05 AM Does Alex even edit his work for consistency? The mystery woman, allegedly abused for years by a ring of pedophiles, claims her mother's godfather is Fleet White: "The woman said that her mother's godfather is Fleet White, a retired oil executive and friend of John Ramsey. " "She alleged that she came from a family of inter-generational child abuse victims, and had been abused since the age of three by a powerful group of pedophiles, some of whom were associates of the Ramsey family." Ok, that implicates White. But later on, Alex QUOTES White to support his theory of a pedophilia ring: "Fleet White, in his letter "to the people of Colorado," maintained: "It is our firm belief that the District Attorney and others intend to use the Grand Jury and its secrecy in an attempt to protect their careers and also serve the conflicting interests of powerful, influential and threatening people who have something to hide or protect."26 What point is Constantine trying to make? Does he even know? Constantine implies that the Ramseys are the innocent victims here: "Patsy Ramsey did not exactly fit the white supremacist profile, and she certainly wasn't known to participate in "ritual murder." "Alex Hunter's former shell of "integrity" cracked when it slipped that he had tried to exclude a key witness from testifying before the Grand Jury, one who would side with the Ramseys." "JonBenét was found in the basement of her family's Boulder home. Her parents, John and Patsy, are the focus of a police investigation, although the couple have denied involvement in their daughter's death." Gee whiz, Alex, they deny involvement. What was I THINKING? What about Lockheed? He makes the point that Lockheed is part of the large CO intelligence spending to support his argument about a confederate sex ring: "The Denver Business Journal estimated in April that classified intelligence spending by NSA and NRO in Colorado may exceed $3 billion annually. Support facilities for Buckley include Falcon Air Force Base east of Colorado Springs, which performs intelligence fusion¹ missions; Lockheed-Martin¹s Waterton Canyon plant in southwest Denver." yet only makes the JOHN RAMSEY connection to Lockheed Martin to support his argument for the "Belgian Syndrome": "The behavior of law enforcement officials and the media has been odd since the 911 call. John Ramsey was the CEO of a key military-industrial subsidiary, Lockheed, and his daughter had been murdered by a group that claimed to "represent a small foreign faction" (Brotherhood of the White Temple?) Ordinarily, the "Lindbergh Law" requires "rebuttable presumption" in a high-profile kidnap, particularly one pulled off by terrorists fronting for a "foreign faction," a widely overlooked point raised by journalist Donald Freed, author of Killing Time, a forensic study of the O.J. Simpson case. Notification of the FBI in a murder case involving terrorists is mandatory, and officers in Boulder did contact Washington. But the Bureau did not respond.24 Freed reports that someone in a lofty position assured the FBI and Lockheed Martin Security "prior to the 911 call "that any report coming from Boulder "would not affect 'national security,'" and directed to "let the police handle it."25 Alex undermines Steve Thomas: " The mutilated carcass of a cat was left on Steve Thomas's front lawn (if his statements have any credibility, given the flagrant distortions in his book on the case, clearly contrived to widen the umbrella of suspicion that has hung over the parents since the smears began)." then quotes Thomas extensively to support the theory that the police case was sabotaged: "In his August 6, 1998 resignation letter, Boulder Detective Steve Thomas openly accused then police chief Tom Koby and other officials of sabotaging the case: "During the investigation detectives would discover, collect, and bring evidence to the district attorney's office, only to have it summarily dismissed or rationalized as insignificant. The most elementary of investigative efforts, such as obtaining telephone and credit card records, were met without support, search warrants denied. The significant opinions of national experts were casually dismissed or ignored by the district attorney's office, even the experienced FBI were waved aside." Thomas was ordered not to question certain witnesses, "and all but dissuaded from pursuing particular investigative efforts. Polygraphs were acceptable for some subjects, but others seemed immune from such requests. Innocent people were not "cleared", publicly or otherwise, even when it was unmistakably the right thing to do, as reputations and lives were
Re: [CTRL] fwd/ Celebrity Defends WorldNetDaily, Free Republic
In a message dated 5/25/00 11:45:17 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gavin, thanks for this, ya know WND headquarters is in Selma, OR. Went to their "compound," met Mr. Farah a charming fellow . . . but sadly to say . . . I believe to be an intel shill fraud. Yes, **very** disappointing, to say the least. The last two weeks I have been e-mailing a couple of people who seem credible and say that Joe Farah and Chris Ruddy distort facts and intentionally mislead people in certain investigations. I have had my doubts about Worldnetdaily and Newsmax before, but ignored it. I'll post my findings later next week. Gavin. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: The corporate take-over of China
This article validates virtually everything the opponents of PNTR have been saying for months. The effectiveness of the Chamber of Commerce, the National Association of Manufacturers, and the Business Roundtable, through their blue-chip public relations apparatus, to marginalize the opponents and mask the corporate sector's intent and strategy from the American people was necessary, but not sufficient, for their legislative victory. Another reason for their win, of course, was the conspicuous absence of some progressive anti-globalization forces who chose to sit this fight out on account of a variety of misplaced ideological and political sensibilities. ___ May 25, 2000 Page One Feature House Vote Primes U.S. Firms To Boost Investments in China By HELENE COOPER and IAN JOHNSON Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL The China investment rush is on. Even before the first vote was cast Wednesday in Congress's decision to permanently normalize U.S. trade with China, Corporate America was making plans to revolutionize the way it does business on the mainland. And while the debate in Washington focused mainly on the probable lift for U.S. exports to China, many U.S. multinationals have something different in mind. "This deal is about investment, not exports," says Joseph Quinlan, an economist with Morgan Stanley Dean Witter Co. "U.S. foreign investment is about to overtake U.S. exports as the primary means by which U.S. companies deliver goods to China." Michael T. Byrnes, chief representative of Rockwell International Corp.'s China division, seconds that: "In China, that's the direction we're going." Wednesday, by a vote of 237-197, the U.S. House of Representatives gave its approval for the world's largest communist nation to become a card-carrying member of the ultimate capitalist club, the World Trade Organization. The hotly contested House vote was portrayed by proponents as a historical watershed. It was "the most important vote we [have] cast in our congressional careers," said Rep. Bill Archer, House Ways and Means chairman. The vote perfectly punctuates the end of the 20th-century struggle between communism and capitalism for dominance of the world economy. Capitalism won. With China's entry into the WTO, free markets and free trade have emerged as the unchallenged global standard for business. The vote also cements a legacy for Bill Clinton. He will now be viewed by history as a president who firmly opposed protectionist forces within his own party, winning approval for the North American Free Trade Agreement in 1993, the WTO in 1994 and, finally, permanent normalization of trade with China. After Wednesday's vote, Mr. Clinton said: "This is a good day for America. Ten years from now we'll look back on this day and be glad we did this." For business, which spent millions of dollars on advertising and lobbied vigorously for this outcome, the consequences are more practical, but no less far-reaching. In the tense weeks leading up to last night's vote, business lobbyists emphasized the beneficial effect the agreement would have on U.S. exports to China. They played down its likely impact on investment, leery of sounding supportive of labor-union arguments that the deal would prompt companies to move U.S. production to China. But many businessmen concede that investment in China is the prize. Consider Mr. Byrnes's company, Rockwell, a Milwaukee-based maker of automation and aviation equipment. In 1987, Rockwell invested in a small cable factory in the southern city of Xiamen that produces about $3 million worth of equipment a year for the China market. Like many foreign companies in the 1980s, Rockwell was allowed to invest only if it entered a joint venture, a messy arrangement that required Rockwell to cooperate with four local partners, all of them state-owned. The experience so frustrated Rockwell that it never invested in another factory in China, preferring instead to export as much as $200 million worth of products each year to China from the U.S. and other countries. Now, Rockwell says that's likely to change. The WTO agreement, Rockwell hopes, will encourage China to abide by international rules, such as publishing regulatory changes and making transparent the workings of its bureaucracy. "We're looking for predictability, reliability," Mr. Byrnes says. With that, Rockwell expects to set up more factories. "My advice back to the headquarters," Mr. Byrnes says, "is WTO makes things more predictable for investing." Technically, Wednesday's vote in the House has no direct bearing on China's entry into the World Trade Organization. That was all but assured last week when the European Union completed negotiation of a broad trade agreement with China, following a similar agreement with the U.S. last year. But under WTO rules, China still couldn't enter the group until Congress provided permanent normal trading relations with China --
[CTRL] Fwd: Congress Bows to Big Business
For Immediate Release: Contact: Mary Bottari (202) 905-7413 May 24, 2000 Katie Burnham (202) 454-5102 With China Vote, Congress Bows to Big Business, Intense Lobbying, Despite 79 Percent Public Opposition Costly Corporate Campaign, Illegal White House Lobbying Tipped Vote; Broad Fair Trade Coalition Promises to Seek Accountability, a Continued Fight WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Today's vote on China's trade status represents one of the most dramatic and potentially damaging sellouts to big business in recent congressional history, Public Citizen representatives said today. Public Citizen President Joan Claybrook attributed the vote's outcome to an intense advertising and lobbying blitz by corporations and the White House. Business trade associations, such as the Business Roundtable, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and their member corporations, spent tens of millions of dollars on lobbying, political donations, and TV and radio advertising in a legislative campaign they have declared was their costliest ever. "Congress has sold out to corporate interests to help them rake in even bigger profits by giving China a blank check," Claybrook said. "When American businesses look to China, they see dollar signs. They ignore the misery brought by China's continued human rights violations and inhumane treatment of workers. Lawmakers have dealt Americans a sharp slap in the face." She noted that a Harris poll last month showed that 79 percent of Americans oppose the policy approved today. The coalition that opposed the bill -- including Chinese dissidents, consumer, environmental, human rights, family farm, religious and labor groups -- will keep up pressure, said Lori Wallach, director of Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch. "Members of Congress who supported permanent, unconditional access for goods from China will rue this day as China's human rights conduct worsens, saber rattling against Taiwan intensifies and U.S. jobs are lost," Wallach said. "The China trade vote was a case study of the corrosive effect money can have on the political process and will be a case study of the corrosive effect political betrayal can have on Election Day. "The same forces who stopped Fast Track in 1997 and 1998, tanked the MAI negotiations in 1998, and halted the planned WTO expansion in 1999 will intensify our never-ending campaign for fair trade by ensuring those who voted with their constituents against China PNTR are rewarded and those who betrayed their voters at home face accountability in November," Wallach said. The Government Accounting Office found the White House violated laws that prohibit spending federal dollars to lobby Congress on legislative matters, Claybrook and Wallach noted. Also, unable to secure a majority on the merits, Clinton twisted the arms of lawmakers by offering pork barrel deals, such as environmental approval for a controversial, environmentally dangerous pipeline in Texas and promises to build weather stations and extend military contracts in target members' congressional districts. "The question of China's trade status was a skirmish in an on-going, long-term fight about forcing pro-consumer, pro-human rights, pro-democracy rules for globalization. Globalization is a defining phenomenon of our time and we are in this fight for the long term," Claybrook said. ### Public Citizen is a consumer advocacy organization founded by Ralph Nader. For more information about Public Citizen, please visit our Web site at www.citizen.org. Mike Dolan Deputy Director, Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch Field Director, Citizens' Trade Campaign 202-454-5122 (tel), 202-547-7392 (fax) 215 Pennsylvania Ave. SE Washington, DC 20003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.tradewatch.org
[CTRL] Fwd: The Fight Goes On
May 25, 2000 Attached below are statements from the UAW, the Sierra Club, Public Citizen, the Teamsters and Friends of the Earth on the China PNTR vote. UAW For Release: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 Statement by UAW President Stephen P. Yokich on China PNTR Vote DETROIT, MI. On behalf of the 1.3 million members of the UAW, I want to thank the 197 members of the U.S. House of Representatives who, under tremendous pressure from the White House and the business community, stood with us in our fight for human and workers' rights and for a new approach to trade - one that lifts working people up instead of pushing them down. Needless to say, we are deeply disappointed that a majority of House members were on the other side in this critically important fight. As we have said throughout the debate on China trade policy, we believe the China WTO deal and PNTR are not bold steps forward, but simply the continuation of a severely flawed approach to trade that has produced a huge and rapidly worsening trade deficit, American jobs lost, and the unconscionable exploitation-for-profit of millions of workers in China and other developing countries. But while we are disappointed by the outcome of today's vote, we are encouraged that the debate on the China WTO deal and PNTR has focused long-overdue attention on the Chinese government's brutal repression of labor activists, democratic dissidents, and religious minorities - and on the impact of globalization on working people worldwide. President Clinton, Vice President Gore, Speaker Hastert, Congressman Levin, and other proponents of PNTR for China claim that the China trade deal will lead to a more free and open Chinese society and benefit American workers as well. We intend to hold them to their promises. In that spirit, the UAW calls on President Clinton to demonstrate his commitment to human and workers' rights by demanding that the Chinese government immediately free Wang Changhuai, Yue Tianxiang, Guo Xinmin, Guo Qiqing, Zhang Jingsheng, Liu Jingsheng, Hu Shigen, Yao Guisheng, Wang Guoqi, Peng Shi, and the thousands of other Chinese citizens who today are in prison cells for the "crime" of trying to form free trade unions. == == SIERRA CLUB FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: David Willett 202-675-6698 May 24, 2000 SIERRA CLUB PLEDGES TO CONTINUE FIGHT FOR GLOBAL FAIRNESS AS HOUSE PASSES CHINA TRADE BILL Statement of Carl Pope, Sierra Club Executive Director Washington, DC: Citing serious environmental concerns, the Sierra Club today expressed disappointment that the U.S. House of Representatives narrowly approved permanent normal trade relations (PNTR) status with China, but vowed to continue the fight for global fairness. The following is a statement from Carl Pope, the Sierra Club's Executive Director: "This trade agreement fails to protect workers, their families and the environment. By accepting permanent normal trade relations, Congress has relinquished what little leverage it had to ensure that values such as environmental protection and human rights are part of our relationship with China." "By accepting permanent normal trade relations, Congress has made it more difficult to protect the environment and human rights. Congress and the Clinton Administration must do more to ensure global trade is clean, green, and fair." "Today's vote in the U.S. House of Representatives was much closer than the pundits predicted, and we thank the many courageous legislators who voted for principle over profit." "This vote does not end the fight for global fairness. In fact, the coalition of environmental, labor and consumer groups has emerged from this fight stronger than ever with broader backing that now includes human rights groups, small business, faith-based organizations, and veterans organizations." The Sierra Club opposed PNTR for three reasons. Retaining annual review would: * give the United States influence with China over the issue of reforms to make the World Trade Organization more open and transparent, which China has said it would oppose; * provide leverage to protect the human rights of environmentalists in China; and * provide leverage to ensure China's compliance with international environmental agreements, such as those protecting endangered species. ### === === PUBLIC CITIZEN May 24, 2000 With China Vote, Congress Bows to Big Business, Intense Lobbying, Despite 79 Percent Public Opposition Costly Corporate Campaign, Illegal White House Lobbying Tipped Vote; Broad Fair Trade Coalition Promises to Seek Accountability, a Continued Fight WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Today*s vote on China*s trade status represents one of the most dramatic and potentially damaging
[CTRL] Fwd: Remember in November!
http://clerkweb.house.gov/cgi-bin/vote.exe?year=2000rollnumber=228 THAT'S THE WEBSITE WHERE YOU CAN CHECKOUT HOW YOUR CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION VOTED ON PNTR. _ NEWS from the United Steelworkers of America FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASEMay 25, 2000 Contact: Marco Trbovich (412) 562-2440; Gary Hubbard (202) 778-4384 STEELWORKERS To Review November Elections In Wake Of PNTR Vote Cite "corrupting power of money" on both parties Pittsburgh * George Becker, International President of the United Steelworkers of America (USWA), issued the following statement today in the wake of Congressional passage yesterday of Permanent Normal Trade Relations (PNTR) for China: "The passage by the House of Representatives of PNTR for China is a blatant betrayal of American workers, their families and communities by elected politicians in both parties. It is a bitter disappointment for Steelworkers who wrote over a quarter of a million letters and made countless phone calls to their representatives expressing their opposition to it. About one-third of the Democrats in the House joined over two-thirds of the Republicans in giving a Democratic President the victory he wanted for his legacy. "Congress had a chance to stand up for the brutally oppressed workers in China and the hundreds of thousands of U.S. manufacturing workers who will lose their jobs because of increased imports from the sweatshops of China. Instead, it turned its back on Chinese and American workers. "The vote was held in May because its backers held the cynical and totally fallacious view that it would be forgotten by November. Workers have not forgotten the 1993 NAFTA vote and they will not forget this vote * not by this November, not by November 2002, not for decades. And Steelworkers will never forget it. And that will be one of the true legacies of this vote and this President. (MORE) ADD-1 USWA "The vote creates issues for the Steelworkers Union in terms of how it responds in the election this Fall. We will not damage our credibility with our members by trying to sugarcoat a candidate's record on this or any other issue. Our credibility with our members is far more important than who wins any election. For now, I intend to spend a lot of time in the field meeting with our Union's leaders and activists and subsequently our Union's Executive Board. Ours will be a thoughtful decision. Clearly, we are looking for candidates who support labor's issues * not, just in words, but in deeds. "We will not support any candidate for federal office solely because that candidate calls himself or herself a Democrat. We will not oppose a candidate simply because that candidate is a Republican. Unfortunately, the corrupting power of money has caused significant elements of each party to become far less focused on the rights and interests of their constituencies. Sadly, Democratic control of the House and the Senate are desirable for workers principally because Republican control is so much worse. "But be assured of one thing * the Steelworkers will not drop out of the process. Who we elect does make a difference. We will work this fall to elect Democrats and Republicans who support workers on trade and other key working family issues, and we will look for opportunities to improve the choices in two years. Steelworkers are already doing precisely that in three races this year. Ed O'Brien, Greg Goodnight and Marvin Williams are all Steelworkers and they are running for Congress in Pennsylvania, Indiana and Tennessee, respectively. Two of them are running against Republicans with very poor voting records on behalf of workers. The third is running against a Democrat with a similar poor voting record on worker issues. We expect that in two years there will be other Steelworkers and other union leaders running for Congress. Hopefully, that will be another legacy of the terrible vote yesterday. "Workers around the world are suffering. Human rights and religious rights are under attack by governments such as China. The environment is at greater risk. All have gotten in the way of corporations which are driving to maximize profits by seeking the cheapest labor, the cheapest resource extraction, the least tax and regulation. The trade policies of our government and of international institutions such as the WTO have become the allies of these corporations. This has led us to work with student organizations and other groups with shared concerns for human rights, religious rights, environmental rights and worker rights. We intend to continue those associations and to strengthen them. "With the passage of PNTR for China, the struggle for global justice has suffered a major defeat. But we will continue to work with coalition groups and
Re: [CTRL] No privacy for Linda Tripp?
In a message dated 05/26/2000 11:39:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Earlier this month, Howard County Judge Diane O. Leasure finally ordered much of Miss Lewinsky's testimony suppressed, noting that the former intern was prone to lying and that she was "bathed in impermissible taint" because of her access to immunized testimony. Thus, a politicized criminal prosecution that should never have begun, collapsed, as predicted. Justice is not yet done though, not while Mr. Bacon and others are free to violate Mrs. Tripp's rights with impunity. Amazing. What's taint for the goose apparently isn't taint for the other goose. I guess if la Tripp can violate Monica's trust, how come she's so sensitive about her own privacy? prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] MSG now sprayed on growing crops !
In a message dated 05/26/2000 11:44:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Free glutamic acid is known to be toxic to the nervous system. But the neurotoxic effects that processed free glutamic acid will have on animals that consume the plants on which it is sprayed - effects over and above any effects caused by external glutamic acid residue - have never been evaluated. Neither are there data on the effects that spraying processed free glutamic acid will have on drinking water This should prove interesting indeed. Perhaps the flesh of the animals that eat these plants may prove a problem to those allergic to this substance. It is well known that a rabbit that eats a large amount of deadly nightshade can poison to death an individual who eats it. It does not seem to harm the rabbits at all. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [prj] Fw: Goldsmith and his Gaian hierarchy
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: From: Dan Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lloyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [prj] Fw: Goldsmith and his Gaian hierarchy Date: Thursday, May 18, 2000 11:05 AM Lloyd Miller wrote: The millionaire regrets the "progress" by which this knowledge is getting lost, because "traditional man" knew very well "that the world is hierarchically organized" European medieval and feudal times also inspire Goldsmith. The Indian tribes are closer to traditional man, and worked by discussion and consensus. Goldsmith sounds like his addiction to power has driven him quite mad. Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List, not necessarily endorsed by: *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] PLEASE GIVE BENNIE DEMPS A STAY AND TIME TO PROVE HIS INNOCENCE
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - INNOCENCE WATCH FLORIDA - May 26, 2000 PLEASE GIVE BENNIE DEMPS A STAY AND TIME TO PROVE HIS INNOCENCE The Innocence Watch Group thanks the Bishops of Florida for their heartfelt concern for a human life and appeals to the Florida courts to stay the execution of Bennie Demps. We also appeal to Jeb Bush to provide necessary time and safeguards in this case to be absolutely sure an innocent man is not executed. History has shown us that innocent lifes have been executed in US. The history must not repeat itself in Florida now. From all over the world people are concerned about the possibility of rushing into execution without necessary time to prevent a tragedy. For information: THE INNOCENCE WATCH GROUP Dianne Abshire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pat Hoover [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sissel Egeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] PRESSRELEASE May 26, 2000 The Florida Catholic Conference May 26, 2000 Contact: D. Michael McCarron, PhD 850.222.3803 [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRIBUTION DOES NOT JUSTIFY EXECUTION (A Plea For Mercy for Bennie E. Demps) Tallahassee The 1976 murder of Alfred Sturgis was a terrible crime. His brutalization and loss of his life arouse our deepest regrets and our sympathy for his survivors. Bennie Demps is scheduled to die on Wednesday evening, May 31, for this crime. The Bishops of Florida ask Governor Bush to halt this execution. Neither retribution nor deterrence justify taking a human life, even one guilty of a terrible crime. It is only when society cannot be protected in any other way that the death penalty is justified. We diminish ourselves as a people by taking away a human life. Every human life must be respected, even lives who fail to show that respect for others. Florida's alternative law of providing life imprisonment with no opportunity for parole allows our society to be protected, and allows for remediation of those who have committed crimes. Only a few do not acknowledge that our system of capital punishment is imperfect. We are regularly reminded of this by government appointed task forces and commissions, new Supreme Court rules, recurring legislation and even a special session to deal with problems of the death penalty. Still we do not find the affluent on death row; sometimes it happens that co-defendants who plea bargain are even more culpable than those who end up on death row; and, our consciences are plagued by concerns for racial disparity and the possibility of executing an innocent person. We join with others in calling for a moratorium on executions, but here and now appeal to Governor Bush for clemency and a stay of the death sentence for Bennie E. Demps. # # # The Florida Catholic Conference is an agency of the Catholic Bishops, established in 1969. It speaks for the Church in matters of public policy, serves as liaison to government and the legislature, and coordinates communications and activities between the church and secular agencies. The Bishops of the seven dioceses in Florida constitutes its Board of Directors. _ earthradioTV.com - Alternative News Forum for ecology, politics consciousness. MIRROR SITES: USA http://www.earthradioTV.com/ CZECH http://mujweb.cz/www/ecologynews/ UK http://members.tripod.co.uk/ecologynews/ Canada http://www.ecologynews.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .
At 01:14 AM 26, 05, , 2000 EDT, you wrote: In a message dated 5/24/00 10:34:54 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BUT one must not think that your ideas are beyond criticism, SO if you post then there will be people who disagree, and if you have a theory some may want proof in support of it. I'd never dream that my ideas are above criticism, and never once implied otherwise. I think the screech level that arises on this list when anyone brings up the subject of UFOs is quite telling. There's plenty of evidence, anecdotal and otherwise, that unidentified objects have been flying in our skies for a century or more. There's evidence, not proof. But what do any of us have that is proof of anything? Have you ever met Clinton? Are you sure he exists? Could he be a digital image? If you met him, can you prove he wasn't a cyborg? I mean, get real. Samantha thanks samantha - I was going to use the china argument - if you've never been there and touched it - how do you know it physically exists. There is as much 'proof' for china as there is for ufo's - in fact the physical proof of ets and their DNA already exists from a strand of hair analysed after an abduction in australia etc Its a form of debate called Logical Realism 'touch verification theory' and in the case of ufo's [with miles of camcorder footage from all over the planet - really massive compilations of footsge, archaeological evidence etc] - is used out of context here on this list. There's nothing wrong with trying to be rational - but much in the same way that we should run with the inductive hypothesis that there is a place called china - and see where it leads - see where the conspiracy is - so we should be running with the not very vast conjectural leap that there are ETs - and see where that leads - where the conspiracy is. Lets all rationally analyse the belief system that there are ETs colluding with government agencies - an analysis prevented by the denial of ETs. andrew A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] buchanan - reptile MK victim
hi, BUCHANAN- reptile MK victim Maybe its not hip or in to discuss non-human life on CTRL these days. yet the hottest non-human UFO news on the planet as far as I'm concerned is the ease with which we can talk about reptile life forms and dig up piles of contemporary and archaeological evidence to qualify what we're talking about. Why not discuss it now on this list - well it has to be because the US elections are afoot and a bunch of reptiles/illuminati are contesting for the honours. The idea of insanely bloodthirsty rituals, the layout of washington DC, and the pap that passes for election news maybe make the general demos feel a bit helpless. Speaking of which - haven't they GOT Buchanan yet - I mean wouldn't that be inevitable ?? andrew A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .
Samantha, there have been "sightings" of all kinds throughout history, it is you, and others of similar mindset (those who are inclined to believe in alien visitation, not that there is anything wrong with that) who classify these things as UFO's flown by aliens, with not one lick of evidence to support it. People have been seeing things and making mention of it since man has been around, I am inclined to believe that they are seeing something real, but I can only conclude that it is a phenomenon that as yet is unexplained, it could be alien driven machines, but I doubt it for a whole host of reasons. Let's not forget that people in the past interpreted these things within their own cultural context, thus to some they were angels, or devils, or faeries, or ghosts, or other fabulous creatures. Why are those explanations not just as valid as your theory that they are UFO's driven by aliens coming to earth from elsewhere? I am open to possibilities on this issue, but always take a more prosaic view especially towards modern day (post 1947) sightings. The upsurge in UFO sightings, in the USA in recent times is due IN MY OPINION to secret aircraft and these flights and misrepresentation as UFO's and scoffed at by real scientists serve to divert attention from black projects and cover them perfectly. That is a much more prosaic and plausible explanation than that they are aliens from somewhere else, here for some unnamed purpose. Don't you agree? Yet I can never say they all are, or even conclusively that ANY of them are as I describe them. It is just my belief. As for older sightings, I haven't a clue, although I am not averse to the idea of remnanats of super advanced HUMAN societies from the past still hidden in secluded spots sending out "ships" to spy on our development as ONE explanation (even though it is almost as far fetched as the mysterious aliens from elsewhere and might even be said to be ludicrous by some). I am also open to the interpretation that these things have been given by those who examine the phenomena from a cultural context, that they are glimpses of some other dimension, or spiritual beings of some kind, or archetypes from the collective unconscious of humanity. I also think they might be living things that are rarely seen and have never been studied, and finally that they MIGHT, just MIGHT be alien driven machines. A lot of these possibilities are way down on my list of probability. My main point is not to limit your conclusions to one possible explanation when there are many possibilities. On Thu, 25 May 2000, "Samantha L." wrote: In a message dated 5/25/00 8:27:43 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not waiting for evidence. Here I am discussing it with absolutely no evidence whatsoever. What I would like someone to show me IS evidence. Real evidence. Not stories and anecdotes, and fantasy science fiction presented as if that was real. Surely you've heard of the Belgian sightings, tracked by the Belgian Air Force with radar shown on television. These are unidentified. The Belgian Air Force doesn't think they could be man-made. News reports in the 19th century, documented in "Above Top Secret?" Are you in possession of some proof that we had disk-shaped flight capacity before the invention of the airplane? Do multiple sightings documented in newspapers before the invention of airplanes mean nothing to you? Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey
Re: [CTRL] CHEMTRAIL BREAKTHROUGH VIA BLACKLIGHT?
Advice with regard to CIA agents : Don't let them waste your time. If the debate is continuously hampered by some unreasonably quarrelsome and stubborn participant, it's probably a hired CIA agent trying to discourage and lead the debate astray. Just ignore them. Ole A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: There is as much 'proof' for china as there is for ufo's - There's plenty of proof for UFOs. What's lacking is proof that they're extraterrestrial. Unless, of course, there's something to this claim: in fact the physical proof of ets and their DNA already exists from a strand of hair analysed after an abduction in australia etc Show us this. I'll believe it when I see it, if in fact that is what it is. Showing us an account of the matter will not suffice. Show us the actual code, as well as the evidence that it couldn't be of terrestrial origin. Lets all rationally analyze the belief system that there are ETs colluding with government agencies - an analysis prevented by the denial of ETs. The lack of ETs in no way prevents a belief system that is predicated on their existence. Nor does it prevent a rational analysis of that belief system. Au contrair, rationally ascertaining the likelihood of the presence of ETs is the first step in a rational analysis. Note I said presence, and not existence. The existence of ETs is pretty much a mathematical certainty. Count stars. Hell yes, there are ETs. We'd be foolish and vain to assume there were no ETs. They're out there, alright. But are they here? Maybe. But we have no proof. To proceed from an a priori assumption is irrational. The world is overrun with belief systems based on a priori assumptions. They're all irrational. yet the hottest non-human UFO news on the planet as far as I'm concerned is the ease with which we can talk about reptile life forms and dig up piles of contemporary and archaeological evidence to qualify what we're talking about. OK, let's see the evidence of sentient reptiles, "shape shifting" or otherwise. Trot it out. I'll look. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CHEMTRAIL BREAKTHROUGH VIA BLACKLIGHT?
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Advice with regard to CIA agents : Just ignore them. Oh, I disagree strongly. We're taxpayers. We pay these guy's salaries by the sweat of our brows. The very least that they owe us is some entertainment. Besides, they're gonna hang around anyway. It'd be nice to know what they're up to. Let's listen in. Come on, guys. Go fo it. Here we are. Now entertain us. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Framing of Patsy Ramsey
See my earlier post for more comments on UFO's and what they might be. Samantha, I am not here to ridicule and demean anyone. I am all for people expressing their opinions on this list and offering what evidence they have, or wish to offer in support of it. But if I or anyone else thinks it is not a satisfactory answer we will say so. I challenge you to think of this; if you are correct that UFO's are NON-human in origin, and NOT a natural, as yet unidentified phenomena (or some combination of the above), (at least some of them anyway) then tell me what evidence there is that they of ALIEN origin, and not ghosts, faeries, demons, angels, or what have you? As for this issue about Patsey Ramsey and Alex Constantine's take on it, I know Alex's style (he used to post to the list as some of you will remember) and he can be somewhat gruff in his approach and dismissal of people and evidence that he does not accept. I am inclined to believe that Patsey was involved for a host of reasons, but clearly John and his connections have a great deal to do with it too. All avenues need to be explored, even the hypothesis that Alex extends. On Fri, 26 May 2000, "Samantha L." wrote: In a message dated 5/26/00 10:39:33 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Patsy Ramsey did not exactly fit the white supremacist profile, and she certainly wasn't known to participate in "ritual murder." Has Constantine forgotten his own research on satanic ritual abuse? The mutilated carcass of a cat was left on Steve Thomas's front lawn (if his statements have any credibility, given the flagrant distortions in his book on the case, clearly contrived to widen the umbrella of suspicion that has hung over the parents since the smears began). In my opinion, Steve Thomas has more credibility in this case than anyone else. I'm disappointed in Constantine's quality of journalism here. Another one bites the dust. The moderator, J2 and nessie no doubt feel all snuggly-warm knowing that Constantine also adheres to the "ridicule, humiliate and demean" method of dealing with people who provide evidence of UFOs and their non-human origin. Yeah, this list has been gotten to - or it's part of the "getter" group. The latter seems more feasible. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A
Re: [CTRL] TOTALLY OT, but funny: Drudge: PRESIDENT REFUSES TO WEAR SEATBELT ...
Is this conspiracy related or just stupid partisan pettiness? It's a shame that this fellow is allowed to post AD NAUSEUM that which any of us could read if we so chose on the right-wing media web sites...this was a mistake Kris! Please reconsider! Bill A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Carter's Odd Almost Assassination.
Jimmy Carterâs attempted assassination by Lee Harvey and Osvaldo What really is in a name? by Jim Marrs - 05/25/2000 If one lives long enough and keeps a close eye on news events, eventually things turn up that present a very different view of the world than that portrayed on the nightly news. Take for example the attempted assassination of President Jimmy Carter in 1979. Nothing much was said about it at the time by the mass media, subsequently, hardly anyone remembers this incident today. Furthermore, like many news items heard, this event becomes much more sinister when placed into a context of what happened both before and after the incident. Toward mid-1979 Democrat Carter was being chastised by critics within the media, as well as by the Republicans, as being wishy-washy on a variety of issues. They said his was a mediocre presidency. The mass media were already focusing on conservative California Gov. Ronald Reagan as the man of the hour. His nomination as GOP presidential candidate for the 1980 election seemed assured. Carter asked for and was granted a national television spot during prime time and many media pundits predicted that he was about to announce sweeping changes in government as well as new initiatives which would move his upcoming presidential re-election campaign off high center. But before his televised appearance, Carter journeyed to California where he was to address a Hispanic crowd in Los Angelesâs Civic Center Mall celebrating Cinco de Mayo, the Mexican Independence Day. A few days later, a handful of newspapers carried a small story stating that a "grubby transient" had been arrested there and was being held on suspicion of the attempted assassination of the president. A Secret Service spokesman downplayed the arrest stating the incident was about as "nothing as these things get." However, a few days later, another news item appeared which reported that the 35-year-old Anglo suspect was being held in lieu of $50,000 on charges of conspiring to kill the president. Finally, a one-time story in the May 21, 1979, edition of Newsweek revealed more details of the incident. It seems that the suspect was arrested after Secret Service agents noticed him "looking nervous." A .22-calibre, eight-shot revolver was found on the man along with 70 rounds of blank ammunition. A short time later, the suspect implicated a second man, a 21-year-old Hispanic who also was taken into custody and subsequently held in lieu of $100,000 bail. The second suspect at first denied knowing the other man, but finally admitted that the pair had test fired the blank starter pistol from a nearby hotel roof the night before Carterâs appearance. Both men said they were simply local street people who had been hired by two Mexican hit men. They were to create a diversion with the blank pistol and the two hit men were to assassinate President Carter with high-powered rifles. Lending credence to their story, both suspects led authorities to the shabby Alan Hotel located near the civic center. Here investigators found an empty rifle case and three rounds of live ammunition in a room rented under than name Umberto Camacho. Camacho apparently had checked out the day of Carterâs visit. No further trace of the hit men could be found. The Anglo suspect was Raymond Lee Harvey and his Hispanic companion was Osvaldo Ortiz. This oddity of their names prompted Newsweek reporters to state, "References to Lee Harvey Oswald and the assassination of President John F. Kennedy were unavoidable." "But it was still far from clear whether the authorities had a real conspiracy or a wild goose chase on their hands," they added. No further news stories appeared and the disposition of the case against Lee Harvey and Osvaldo apparently has never been made public. What did happen was that President Carter canceled his national TV speech and went into seclusion at Camp David, MD. After seeking advice from a lengthy line of consultants, including the Rev. Billy Graham, Carter was reported to have said, "I have lost control of the government." It is historical fact that no serious policy changes were made and no sweeping changes were made in government. Carter remained indecisive in the public eye and by mid-November the following year, the United States took a conservative turn under the leadership of Ronald Reagan. Reaganâs victory was due, in large part, to a failed military rescue attempt and the collapse of negotiations in mid-October 1980. Both concerned the release of American hostages seized at the American Embassy in Teheran, Iran, on November 4, 1979, after Carter allowed the deposed Shah to enter the United States for medical treatment. Later, it was alleged that Reaganâs running mate, George Bush, along with CIA Director William Casey had privately cut a deal with Iranian leaders to hold the hostages until after the November election, thus assuring a Reagan victory. Despite testimony confirming this
Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .
This is all well and good. Speculation and examination of possibilities is a good thing. If you believe that the evidence that is available supports your idea that (some) UFO's (as I'm sure even you die hard ET believers will admit that some UFO's fall into other categories, like secret aircraft, misidentification, etc.) are ALIEN craft being driven/flown by material beings from somewhere other than Earth, then good for you. That does not mean that everyone has to believe it. But feel free to state your case accordingly. I will ask this question again here for you Andrew and others who believe the ET theory to explain UFO's. IF, UFO's (at least those that are truly anomolous and unidentified) ARE NON-human in origin, as you allege, then what evidence is there that they are MATERIAL craft being driven/flown by ALIEN beings from somewhere other than Earth, and not, for example, extradimensional, or demonic, or as yet unidentified natural phenomena? Even if one was to resort to the abduction phenomenon and rely on abductees totally subjective experience to go by, what evidence is there that the beings they purport to see and interact with are LIVING and MATERIAL and from somewhere other than Earth? If one was to accept that they told the abductee that they were from Orions Nebula (or wherever) and that they were here for (whatever reason) what evidence is there that they are not LYING to cover up some other thing? Some UFO's MAY be craft from elsewhere but let us not be so demanding that one explanation fit the bill, and let us get priorities of evidence in line. It is MUCH more probable that UFO's are something other than alien driven craft from somewhere other than Earth, and that is true no matter what way you slice it. BUT, that does not mean they all are or that none of them are alien driven craft from somewhere else. Let us at least be circumspect in how we handle "evidence" and not give less likely explanations more weight than they deserve simply because it supports our mindset. Extraterrestrial life? Yes. Extraterrestrial Intelligent life? MY OPINION and belief is, NO. UFO's fall in several categories as to identity. See my earlier post for some of my ideas, each of which has, in my opinion a degree of probability, as does the idea that UFO's are alien craft. I think the preponderance of evidence (as well as physics and logic) make the ET origin of UFO's a very low probability, though NOT zero by any means. On Fri, 26 May 2000, Andrew Hennessey wrote: At 01:14 AM 26, 05, , 2000 EDT, you wrote: In a message dated 5/24/00 10:34:54 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BUT one must not think that your ideas are beyond criticism, SO if you post then there will be people who disagree, and if you have a theory some may want proof in support of it. I'd never dream that my ideas are above criticism, and never once implied otherwise. I think the screech level that arises on this list when anyone brings up the subject of UFOs is quite telling. There's plenty of evidence, anecdotal and otherwise, that unidentified objects have been flying in our skies for a century or more. There's evidence, not proof. But what do any of us have that is proof of anything? Have you ever met Clinton? Are you sure he exists? Could he be a digital image? If you met him, can you prove he wasn't a cyborg? I mean, get real. Samantha thanks samantha - I was going to use the china argument - if you've never been there and touched it - how do you know it physically exists. There is as much 'proof' for china as there is for ufo's - in fact the physical proof of ets and their DNA already exists from a strand of hair analysed after an abduction in australia etc Its a form of debate called Logical Realism 'touch verification theory' and in the case of ufo's [with miles of camcorder footage from all over the planet - really massive compilations of footsge, archaeological evidence etc] - is used out of context here on this list. There's nothing wrong with trying to be rational - but much in the same way that we should run with the inductive hypothesis that there is a place called china - and see where it leads - see where the conspiracy is - so we should be running with the not very vast conjectural leap that there are ETs - and see where that leads - where the conspiracy is. Lets all rationally analyse the belief system that there are ETs colluding with government agencies - an analysis prevented by the denial of ETs. andrew A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects
[CTRL] DEFENDING AMERICA NEWSLETTER 24 May 2000 Part 2
WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] A vote for Bush or Gore is a vote to continue Clinton policies! A vote for Buchanan is a vote to continue America! Therefore a vote for Gore or Bush is a wasted vote for America! Don't waste your vote! Vote for Patrick Buchanan! ARTICLE 4 ~~ Kosovo SITREP - A Rough Week for Battalion XX ~~ Ed.: The attached SITREP is an unclassified email now circulating widely in Army channels and on Capital Hill. The SITREP covers his battalion's activities for the seven days from 4 May thru 10 May 2000. Maybe the Senators who voted for an open ended commitment to the Kosovo "No-Winner" should read some of these first hand accounts to figure what the real deal is. Thanks to our troops, the situation is still stable.BUT they are increasingly becoming the TARGETS for both warring parties vs. the good-guy peacekeepers we envisioned them to be. Our Army editor removed all unit references to prevent making our troops friendly fire/political targets. ** Email from Officer X in Battalion XX The ethnic violence continues to increase. Currently, the Battalion XX operations area is the most active in Kosovo. As a result, we are getting a lot of "attention" from COMKFOR, Task Force Falcon, and civilian officials from Pristina. We have had almost two weeks of continuous activity. On 4 May, a Serbian home was bombed. The building had two female occupants and a child (the male family member was in Serbia). The occupants suffered minor injuries, but the home is not safe to live in. The next night [May 5], an unoccupied Serbian home in Vitina was burned. Naturally, the tension in all of the Serb communities was high. On 6 May, a 67 year old Serb man was murdered in Klokot while he was fishing. Cobra Battery found the body. When the Klokot Serbs found out, they began to riot. They began attacking Albanian cars passing through the town. They smashed vehicle windows with bricks, pulled the occupants out of the cars, and beat them. Soldiers responded quickly, and were able to save the lives of many Albanians. As reinforcements were sent north into Klokot, a column of wounded and bloody Albanians (including women and children) were moving south towards Vitina. Ten cars were damaged and 13 Albanians were treated by Battalion XX medics and transported to a local clinic. After negotiating with the Serb leaders, the riots ended around 2300 hours. By midnight, the Battalion XX'ers had removed all Serb obstacles from the road (burning cars, tires, and wood). On 7 May, the situation deteriorated further. In Vitina, an Albanian man fired an AK-47 at a Serbian family while they were sitting in their yard. The attack was probably in retaliation for the attack on the Albanians in Klokot yesterday. The gunmen emptied a 30-round magazine at the family. All of the family members were hit (a man, woman, and two little girls). Thankfully, none of the individuals were killed, although all of them suffered serious wounds. Later that evening, an explosion destroyed a Serbian home in the town of Vrbovac. The home was unoccupied, however, the owners had recently returned from Serbia and were repairing the home for future occupation. Within minutes of the explosion a crowd of about 70 angry Serb males gathered and became hostile towards KFOR. Someone in the crowd attempted to grab the platoon leader's weapon. He shoved the man back and the Battalion XX'ers locked and loaded their weapons as the crowd surged forward. The crowd grabbed the Albanian interpreter, but the soldiers reacted quickly to prevent him from being injured. After tense negotiations, the crowd dispersed back into the town. The next day [8 May], the Serbians decided to block the roads in Klokot to prevent the Albanians from going to work at a bottling plant and health facility. When the Albanians showed up for work, the Serbs moved to attack them. Soldiers from Cobra Battery moved to interdict them and protect the Albanians. The Serbs and the Albanians began throwing rocks at each other, with the Battalion XX'ers caught in the middle. The squad leader ordered his squad to lock and load, called for the QRF, and fired warning shots to regain control of the situation. The word quickly spread through the Albanian communities of the situation in Klokot. Soon, the worst case scenario began to develop: Albanians from all of the surrounding towns began to mobilize to march on Klokot. 300 Albanians attempted to march from Pozaranje in the west, but were stopped by the UAE company attached to the Battalion XX'ers. Warning shots were fired. About 100 Albanians marched on Klokot from Zitinje in the north. They were stopped by Battalion XX'ers and MPs. Approximately 150 Albanians marched on Klokot from Radivoiche in the east. They were stopped by Delta Company and another group of MPs. The largest group of Albanians
[CTRL] DEFENDING AMERICA NEWSLETTER 24 May 2000 Part 1
WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] A vote for Bush or Gore is a vote to continue Clinton policies! A vote for Buchanan is a vote to continue America! Therefore a vote for Gore or Bush is a wasted vote for America! Don't waste your vote! Vote for Patrick Buchanan! * SOLDIERS FOR THE TRUTH "DEFENDING AMERICA NEWSLETTER" 24 May 2000 "When we assumed the Soldier, we did not lay aside the Citizen." General George Washington, New York Legislature, 1775 Soldiers For The Truth Foundation, PO Box 63840, Colorado Springs, CO 80962-3840 HTTP://WWW.SFTT.ORG * TABLE OF CONTENTS SITREP Hack's Column: Article 1 -- "Lest We Forget" "From my Position" -- On the way!" Article 2 - Readiness Truth - Victim of the Experts Big Picture: Article 3 - Memorial Day - Honoring those that have fallen Article 4 -- Kosovo SITREP - A Rough Week for Battalion XX "VOICE OF THE GRUNT" Article 5 -- Lessons in Leadership Article 6 - No Gun Ri response - No Gun Ri Article 7 - No Gun Ri response -- Real Combat is not like the Movies Article 8 - It's raining Medals once again Article 9 -- Why are the Ones in Power so forgetful G.I Humor: Article 10 -- Learning the Language Medal of Honor: Article 11 -- LEE, HUBERT L. Korea 1951 === SITREP: 1. Main topics: 1) Memorial Day 2) Too many Military Experts with clue 3) Leadership 4) Kosovo 2. WE ALWAYS NEED YOUR HELP! Thanks to all of you who have responded to our call to financial arms. We have collected enough money to keep us operational for the next 4 months. Hack and I estimate that we need about 100k to make us an organization with clout. We could EASILY reach that goal if every subscriber pitches in $ 30.00. Remember, AUSA alone has about a 20 million dollar budget and still doesn't get anything done! If you believe that we are the organization to speak for the troops, support us! 3. Methods of Support Check or Money order: Send to and make payable to: Soldiers For The Truth Foundation, PO Box 63840, Colorado Springs, CO 80962-3840. Credit card donation option via Website should be available by mid-May. Our site is at www.sftt.org. REMINDERS: Your donation is tax deductible! SFTT is a 501 (c) 3 non-profit educational foundation, IRS # 31-1592564. If you send us an E-MAIL address with your donation we can immediately mail you a RECEIPT Some of you have sent multiple contributions. Please remind us when you submit your donation, so we can send you an annual statement for tax purposes. 4. SFTT Website. Please check out our updates, i.e. objectives, mission statement, book reports, etc. If you didn't get the complete newsletter or only the Short Version (sv), you can find it archived on the website http://www.sftt.org. Until next week let' s make contact - break through -- and exploit! R.W. Zimmermann President SFTT [EMAIL PROTECTED] === ARTICLE 1 - Defending America ~ "Lest We Forget" ~ By David Hackworth Another Memorial Day is upon us. Not that it's that big a deal to most Americans, who don't seem to understand what this holiday is all about. But for combat veterans and their families it's a day of reflection, a time to honor fallen comrades. As the years pass, M-Day's taken on an even more special meaning for me. Old pals who back in their young and foolish days were brave mud soldiers are checking out faster than I want to count. Almost every week now I get the word that another brother's gone. Sometimes it's a phone call in the middle of the night, a letter or an obituary piece I've been sent about a friend I fought alongside. Each death notice brings pain. Some bring tears. All bring reflection that dials up the face of a brother I grew to love a long time ago. A love born from terrible strife where we had the searing privilege of getting to know each other as few men ever do. Back then, we thought we were damned to be the chosen few. But now, so many years later, we know the truth: It was the defining and most challenging period of our lives. Together, we saw the elephant. On the battlefield there's no faking it. A guy is either a good man who'd die before letting his brothers down or a dud the outfit figures out how to unload. You get to join The Brotherhood only if you're trusted, only because you've earned the respect of the other elephant hunters. For me, after the shock wears off from hearing the bad news, reason sets in: "Eventually everyone's going out feet first. My old friend just beat me by a few ticks." Next, the process seems to move quickly to the good times shared and why my pal was so special and why his memory won't disappear until I do. Then I'm ringing a brother, giving him word of the death, and we start in with the old "Remember when ..."
[CTRL] ACTION ALERT: Two privacy amendments will close large loopholes
WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] A vote for Bush or Gore is a vote to continue Clinton policies! A vote for Buchanan is a vote to continue America! Therefore a vote for Gore or Bush is a wasted vote for America! Don't waste your vote! Vote for Patrick Buchanan! Today, candor compels us to admit that our vaunted two-party system is a snare and a delusion, a fraud upon the nation. Our two parties have become nothing but two wings of the same bird of prey... Patrick Buchanan ACTION ALERT: Two privacy amendments will close large loopholes Dear Coalition for Constitutional Liberties Member: Senator Richard C. Shelby (R-AL) has introduced two significant privacy amendments to S. 2107, the "Competitive Market Supervision Act." This bill is expected to be voted on in the Banking Committee in less than two weeks from today - the week of June 5th! Your help is crucial to secure the votes that will ensure the amendmentsâ passage. Here are Senator Shelbyâs proposed amendments: Medical Privacy Amendment: This amendment will require your financial institution to get your consent (opt-in) before they may obtain or receive individually identifiable health information about you from both affiliates and nonaffiliated third parties in deciding what financial product or service they will offer or provide to you. Freedom from Behavioral Profiling Amendment: This amendment is intended to stop financial institutions from constructing your psychological and behavioral profile-based on your most personal and detailed buying habits-without your prior knowledge and consent. You must opt-in to their program. These two privacy amendments will close large loopholes that exist in the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act passed last year. WHAT YOU CAN DO Your help is needed TODAY to support Sen. Shelbyâs amendments to S. 2107, the "Competitive Market Supervision Act." If your Senator is listed below as a member of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, call him/her and urge them to vote YES on Shelbyâs privacy amendments. Sen. Phil Gramm (R-TX)(202) 224-2934 Sen. Bob Bennett (R-UT) (202) 224-5444 Sen. Connie Mack (R-FL) (202) 224-5274 Sen. Rod Grams (R-MN) (202) 224-3244 Sen. Wayne Allard (R-CO) (202) 224-5941 Sen. Michael Enzi (R-WY) (202) 224-3424 Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) (202) 224-4224 Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) (202) 224-6324 Sen. Jim Bunning (R-KY) (202) 224-4343 Sen. Mike Crapo (R-ID)(202) 224-6142 Sen. Paul Sarbanes (D-MD)(202) 224-4524 Sen. Christopher Dodd (D-CT) (202) 224-2823 Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) (202) 224-2742 Sen. Richard Bryan (D-NV)(202) 224-6244 Sen. Sen. Tim Johnson (D-SD) (202) 224-5842 Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI)(202) 224-4642 Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) (202) 224-6542 Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN)(202) 224-5623 Sen. John Edwards (D-NC) (202) 224-3154 *Finally* please forward this message to all of your friends and colleagues who want medical privacy and control over how their personal information is handled by financial institutions. For more information, contact: Catherine Ellis Deputy Director of State and Local Affairs Center for Technology Policy Free Congress Foundation [EMAIL PROTECTED] (202) 546.3000 x324 CONTACT: U.S. HOUSE: http://clerkweb.house.gov/mbrcmtee/mbrcmtee.htm CONTACT: U.S. SENATE: http://www.senate.gov/ **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy
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Parents, It isYOUR responsiblity to protect your children from being seduced by the stench of our environment. "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.!"-- Hosea 4:6 TV SCOREBOARD 1999-2000 TELEVISION SEASON GLAAD's TV Scoreboard reflects lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (lgbt) characters on original broadcast and cable programming in primetime for the 1999-2000 television season. Read the August 23, 1999 press release entitled "Gay Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) Says 1999-2000 Primetime TV Lineup 'Barely Realistic'". Beggars and Choosers: Tuc Watkins portraying gay network executive Malcolm Laffley. SUPPORTING. Showtime. Beverly Hills, 90210 includes Samantha Sanders (Christina Belford), the lesbian mother of Steve (Ian Ziering). RECURRING. FOX. Chicago Hope will feature gay and anal-retentive assistant Andy (Todd Louiso). RECURRING. CBS. Dawson's Creek includes the gay character Jack (Kerr Smith), who will join the Capeside High School football team on the teen drama. SUPPORTING. The WB. The Drew Carey Show includes Drew's heterosexual cross-dressing brother Steve (John Carroll Lynch), who is dating Drew's nemesis, the voluptuous Mimi. RECURRING. ABC. ER includes gay nurse Yosh Takata (Gedde Watanabe). RECURRING. NBC. Friends includes the recurring roles of Ross' lesbian ex-wife Carol Wylick (Jane Sibbett) and her spouse Susan Bunch (Jessica Hecht). RECURRING/ RECURRING. NBC. Los Beltr´n's Fernandito (Gabriel Romero) and Kevin (James Charles Leary) rent out a unit of a Duplex from the Family Beltr´n. RECURRING/ RECURRING. Telemundo. Mission Hill is an animated sitcom focusing on twentysomething roommates adjusting to change when a kid brother moves in. The big-city series includes a sixty-something gay couple, Wally (voice of Tom Kenny) and Gus (voice of Nick Jameson), who live next door. RECURRING/ RECURRING. The WB. Nash Bridges, starring Don Johnson, includes Nash's lesbian sister Stacey (Angela Dorhmann) and gay receptionist Pepe (Patrick Fischler). RECURRING/ RECURRING. CBS. NYPD Blue includes gay receptionist John Irvin (Bill Brochtrup). SUPPORTING. ABC. Oh, Grow Up is an ensemble comedy featuring Ford (John Ducey), who separates from his wife when he realizes that he is gay. LEAD. ABC. The Profiler features gay computer pro George Fraley (Peter Frechette). SUPPORTING. NBC. Rude Awakenings: Rain Pryor portrays Jackie, Sherilyn Fenn's lesbian friend. SUPPORTING. Showtime. Sex and the City's Stanford (Willie Garson) is Carrie's (Sarah Jessica Parker) gay friend. RECURRING. HBO. The Simpsons' features gay power plant assistant Waylon Smithers (voice of Harry Shearer), who will return to kiss up to his boss, Mr. Burns. RECURRING. FOX. Spin City features Carter Heywood (Michael Boatman), the gay Director of Minority Affairs. SUPPORTING. ABC. Will Grace, primetime's first show to premier with an openly gay character, includes gay attorney Will Truman (Eric McCormack) and his fabulous friend Jack McFarland (Sean Hayes). LEAD/ SUPPORTING. NBC. http://www.glaad.org/org/projects/tv/index.html?record=227 Bard No more homo sex education.. No more (kid)nappings..No more phony warrants..No more Little Havana's..No more OKC's..No more Waco's..No more Ruby Ridge's..(the above can only happen if the DemoRats and RepubRats are thrown out of office.) BUCHANAN-Reformhttp://gopatgo2000.com/default.htm
[CTRL] UFO should not necessarily imply ET ?
How's about some new nomenclature to help dissambiguate one's position re any given Unidentified Flying Object (UFO). I would like to propose the following for example: UFOpo (UFO probably ours) A terrestrial craft of type unknown to observer UFOpa (UFO putative alien) An aerial phenomenon outside the World of books UFOso (UFO stellar object) An sighting of event predictable to astronomy UFOsa (UFO secret agent) Accidental sighting of 'odd-shaped' spy-craft UFObo (UFO biological object) Flocking birds, Insects, (+Fish if Fortean) UFOba (UFO bugger all) Imagined objects in far depth/neuroptic distortions Although offered somewhat light heartedly, the issue of whether any given UFO sighting/report might lose its U-nature is not always clear. Samantha, there have been "sightings" of all kinds throughout history, it is you, and others of similar mindset (those who are inclined to believe in alien visitation, not that there is anything wrong with that) who classify these things as UFO's flown by aliens, with not one lick of evidence to support it. To me, a UFO is any putative craft in the air that I cannot identify, hence the U; - this can often include a wide variety of civil (and most military) aircraft which I might see at 'funny' angles in the sky. One person's UFO might conceivably be someone else's IFO (and vice-versa). ET in my view is/are lifeforms, not necessarily biological in a commonly-used terrestrial sense, who's origin is beyond the Earth's biosphere. Most photons are of extraterrestrial origin (Solar) but some are man-made (lightbulbs). According to many astronomers 'interstellar dustclouds' are thought to harbour life; Marburg/hantavirus hybrids appear to be very terrestrial. In a nutshell, I would suggest that the most healthy view would be to simultaneously entertain view that: 1. A UFO could contain ET. 2. An ET might travel in/on a medium of unidentifiable appearance. Likewise, and just for completeness:- 1. A UFO might as well turn out to be a terrestrial object (UFOpo/UFOsa) prior to its identification (thereafter becoming an IFO). 2. ET might travel in a biol membrane/747/Shuttle/rocket (i.e., an IFO). Just a thoughts, whilst the Jury is still out ? Cheers, Tony. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Date: 26 May 2000 Federalist #00-21.dgst
WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] A vote for Bush or Gore is a vote to continue Clinton policies! A vote for Buchanan is a vote to continue America! Therefore a vote for Gore or Bush is a wasted vote for America! Don't waste your vote! Vote for Patrick Buchanan! Today, candor compels us to admit that our vaunted two-party system is a snare and a delusion, a fraud upon the nation. Our two parties have become nothing but two wings of the same bird of prey... Patrick Buchanan * Veritas Vos Liberabit * THE FEDERALIST(r) DIGEST The Conservative e-Journal of Record Date: 26 May 2000 Federalist #00-21.dgst To retrieve today's Digest as printer-friendly text or PDF, link to: http://www.Federalist.com/current00-2.asp To support or sponsor The Federalist, link to: http://www.Federalist.com/support.asp __O__ THE FOUNDATION "Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." --James Madison __O__ FEDERALIST PERSPECTIVE In the news this week, the U.S. House voted 237 to 197 to grant China America's best trade privileges, permanent normal trade relations (PNTR), removing the annual congressional review of China's trade status -- and debate about the Reds' human rights atrocities. The argument in favor of PNTR has focussed on the notion that it will be good for the U.S. economy, and the claim that bringing China into great trade relationships with the U.S. will provide some opportunity for improving human rights in China. However, The Federalist has opposed granting PNTR to China on various grounds. Central to our mission, of course, is the fact that a congressional vote of PNTR is an end-run around the Constitution, which assigns to Congress the power "to regulate commerce with foreign nations," and which is completely abrogated as international organizations assume this power. We also view the evidence and experience of past years' dealings with China to demonstrate incontestably that trade and business have not brought the Chinese Communist rulers to greater respect for the God-endowed rights of their citizens. But primary among our concerns is U.S. national security, and recognition that the current policy toward Communist China is the diametric opposite of the policy our beloved mentor Ronald Reagan adopted to bring down Communism in the former USSR. Even Richard Nixon, author of the so-called "opening" to China, shortly before his death conceded that this policy appeared to be flawed, saying, "We may have created a Frankenstein." Noted Chinese dissident Harry Wu says, "Our relations with China are based on the false idea that the stability of the Chinese Communist Party is necessary for successful political and economic relations with China, and for stability in Asia and international peace in general. ... Peace and prosperity are possible only when human rights, democracy and freedom are respected." Ahead of the Senate's PNTR debate, Fred Thompson notes, "I am deeply concerned about China's continuing proliferation of weapons of mass destruction." (You may recall it was Mr. Thompson's investigation, which originally exposed the Clinton/China campaign quid pro quo -- ignored, of course, by the media.) "Despite its formal agreements and public promises, it's no secret that China is one of the worst [weapons] proliferators worldwide. In the last few months alone, it is reported that China transferred missile technology to Libya, provided missile-related goods to North Korea, and may still be providing secret technical assistance to Pakistan's nuclear programs." Mr. Thompson has proposed an amendment to the basic trade bill stipulating that "if any person, company or group in China violates international nonproliferation treaties or agreements, or U.S. export control laws, in ways that contribute to proliferation, the President will be required to impose sanctions both on the proliferator and on the PRC (People's Republic of China -- the Communist government). The proliferator will face an immediate variety of sanctions, including the suspension of all U.S. exports (defense and 'dual-use' items) controlled by the Commerce and State Departments." The Senate will take up the PNTR question after the Memorial Day recess. If, as expected, PNTR passes the Senate, members should also pass the Taiwan Security Enhancement Act, to give "teeth" to our commitment to Taiwan, which has been intentionally devitalized by Clinton. To wit: This week, the Clinton administration departed from longtime U.S. policy by placing Taiwan on the FBI's classified list of hostile intelligence threats, equating Taipei with Beijing and Moscow. In other news The Arkansas Supreme Court Committee on Professional Conduct forwarded an Arkansas circuit court judge a recommendation to disbar Bill Clinton. Just do it! Open Query... "At what point does denial become delusion?" --Wlady Pleszczynski The BIG lie... "If you entrust me with the
[CTRL] 'Gay' sex gag order amended in massachusetts
WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] A vote for Bush or Gore is a vote to continue Clinton policies! A vote for Buchanan is a vote to continue America! Therefore a vote for Gore or Bush is a wasted vote for America! Don't waste your vote! Vote for Patrick Buchanan! 'Gay' sex gag order amended Judge allows media to discuss controversial homosexual workshop -- -- By Julie Foster © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com A gag order banning the discussion of a recorded meeting in which Massachusetts State employees explicitly described homosexual sex acts to teenagers was amended yesterday allowing media outlets to report on the controversial tape recording. As reported by WorldNetDaily, Scott Whiteman attended a "Teach-Out" conference on March 25, sponsored by the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Educational Network, or GLESN, at Tufts University where he secretly audio-recorded a workshop titled, "What They Didn't Tell You About Queer Sex Sexuality in Health Class: A Workshop For Youth Only, Ages 14-21." When Whiteman publicized the graphic nature of the workshop -- part of Massachusetts' Safe Schools program -- one of the state employees running the workshop and a 17-year-old student participant filed for the gag order. Drafted by the plaintiffs' lawyers at Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders and signed by a superior court judge, the original language of the ruling precluded media reports of the recording, prompting involvement by the Fox News Network. The network filed a "Motion to Intervene," claiming the gag order was "unconstitutional prior restraint." According to Massachusetts News, no other media outlet protested the gag order. Whiteman, a member of the Parents Rights Coalition, was represented by Chester Darling at a hearing Tuesday. At the hearing, GLAD requested the order be revised to exempt the media. Judge Allan van Gestel, who altered the order, responded to the plaintiffs, saying an exemption for the media would effectively defeat the purpose of the gag order. Whiteman, the Parents Rights Coalition "and any persons in active concert or participation therewith" are still bound by the order. The order was granted on the grounds that the recording was made illegally. "Interception" of communication without notification of participating parties is prohibited. Darling argued for the judge to remove all restraints from his clients on First Amendment grounds. Even if they did violate a wiretap law in recording the conference, there is no provision in the law for issuing an injunction against speech, only for monetary damages, Darling said. "Scott Whiteman heard and saw the entire workshop," Darling argued, according to Massachusetts News. "He has an unfettered First Amendment right to describe, talk about or write down what he personally heard and saw. He did not 'secretly hear' what was going on at the workshop. He was there; he paid an admission fee; he witnessed it. He read materials and matter which were distributed there, disseminated to minors and available to him. ... It burdens too much speech." GLSEN's webpage states, "Unless otherwise specified, events are by invitation only." The activist organization claims all participants at the "Teach-Out" had to agree to a policy of confidentiality. The conference was only for "registered" participants, GLSEN insists. But Parents Right Coalition President Brian Camenker argues it was a public event, open to anyone who wanted to attend. Whiteman registered under his own name and paid his fee. According to Camenker, the idea of any confidentiality requirement is a fabrication. "There was nothing told, either verbally or in print in any of the literature surrounding the event about not tape recording it. There was absolutely nothing about this -- and believe me, we've been through absolutely everything," Camenker said. The judge called the secret taping "disgusting behavior" at the hearing, saying he was "deeply offended" by Whiteman's actions. Darling shot back, "I'm deeply offended by what was told to those children. It was a crime; it has to be revealed." Massachusetts News, which has extensively reported on the conference and the firestorm that followed, spoke with Whiteman after Tuesday's hearing. "We do know that there were criminal activities occurring at the hands of GLSEN. We suspected this has been occurring for years and we have been reporting to the Department of Education since December. Our reports have been laughed at. In fact, I received two letters from a member of the Board of Education trivializing my complaints, basically saying that since nothing ever goes wrong, parents have no right to intervene." Asked what kinds of laws were violated at the workshops, he answered, "Lewd and lascivious corruption of youth, inducing a minor for sexual intercourse, enticing a minor to commit sexual intercourse. It's a nightmare, all the various statutes. There is
[CTRL] What's up with a government that sides with Mexican illegals?
WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] A vote for Bush or Gore is a vote to continue Clinton policies! A vote for Buchanan is a vote to continue America! Therefore a vote for Gore or Bush is a wasted vote for America! Don't waste your vote! Vote for Patrick Buchanan! What's up with a government that sides with Mexican illegals? By Charley Reese Columnist Published in The Orlando Sentinel on May 25, 2000 It's probably time we realized that whatever self-government we have left in this country is with our local and state governments. The national government seems to have cut us out of the loop. It even shows signs of hostility to us. Take, for example, the current situation on the Arizona border. Some ranchers there, whose property abuts the border with Mexico, have grown tired of seeing their property used as a dump and highway by illegal Mexican immigrants. They have begun to make citizens' arrests. Now every American has the right to make a citizens' arrest, but the U.S. government is up in arms. About the abuse of the ranchers' property? About the Mexicans violating our laws and our borders? Oh, no, they are upset with the ranchers. The U.S. attorney there states that he's researching the law to see if there are any charges he can bring against them. Some hotshot Mexican official has hired an American law firm to sue the ranchers. Now let's get this straight. It is the ranchers who are being victimized by the illegal immigrants. They are upholding the law, while the U.S. government's entire sympathy seems to be with the Mexican illegals. It shows hostility to the ranchers who are, after all, doing what the U.S. government is supposed to do. As for the Mexican official and every other Mexican official, they should create a country in which their people can live and earn a decent living instead of being impoverished and exploited by a crooked government and its goons. The gall of Mexican government officials complaining about the treatment of Mexicans in America. They are treated better here than in Mexico. That is why -- surprise, surprise -- they come here. The true tragedy of Mexico is that the Mexican people love it so, but the country, or at least its government, has never returned their affection. About 20 families own most of the country, and, of course, for the past 50 years it has had pseudo-elections while being governed by one party. A few months ago, two Mexican army vehicles charged across the U.S. border, knocking down a fence and firing on U.S. Border Patrol agents who were on horseback. When reinforcements arrived, one of the Mexican army vehicles fled back across the border while the other surrendered. But guess what the orders were from Washington. Let them go and give them their weapons. It was all a mistake. Some of the rank-and-file Border Patrol officers don't think for one minute it was mistake. They think that the army vehicles were intent on delivering drugs and the one that fled took the drugs back to Mexico. The Arizona ranchers have a similar view of the Mexican government, and, in fact, through the years I've talked to agents with the Drug Enforcement Agency and Customs and Border Patrolmen who all agree, despite the Washington chatter to the contrary, that the Mexican government is up to its armpits in the drug trade. At any rate, Americans ought to get sick and tired of the Mexican government pushing its problems off on us. It is the Mexican government's responsibility to create an economy in which its people can make a decent living and live a decent life. Instead, it exploits the hell out of them and sends them across the border to earn money to send back to their families in Mexico. It is not the Mexican people who are at fault here. They suffer from bad government, as indeed do we on the national level. Nor is it the fault of the rank-and-file Border Patrol officers who are not being supported by their own Washington bosses. It is certainly not the ranchers who are at fault. But if you just watch, you can see example after example in which our national government shows a hostile face to American citizens. Today, candor compels us to admit that our vaunted two-party system is a snare and a delusion, a fraud upon the nation. Our two parties have become nothing but two wings of the same bird of prey... Patrick Buchanan **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot
[CTRL] Republicans trade U.S.A. to Multinational Corporations
WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] A vote for Bush or Gore is a vote to continue Clinton policies! A vote for Buchanan is a vote to continue America! Therefore a vote for Gore or Bush is a wasted vote for America! Don't waste your vote! Vote for Patrick Buchanan! Republicans trade U.S.A. to Multinational Corporations May 26, 2000 Itâs official: 164 Republicans and 73 Democrats in the House of Representatives sold the birthright of America for a mess of corporate pottage. Lincoln had it all wrong. Itâs now a nation of corporate profits, by corporate profits and for corporate profits. Millions of dollars in corporate advertising and congressional lobbying paid off. The House approved permanent Most Favored Nation trade status to Communist China. Did I say lobbying? Bribery might be a better word. At least one congressman has already come forward to say, "I have turned down over $200,000 in multinational corporation PAC money if I would change my vote." He went on to say, "I came to Congress for a reason, and there is not enough money in the world to sway my vote. I will not sell out Americaâs interests." That man is Republican Representative Merrill Cook, who represents Utahâs 2nd congressional district. Itâs too bad the rest of the Republican Party doesnât feel the same way. By contrast, Speaker Dennis Hastert led the effort in the House to bring the Republican Party in line with Bill Clintonâs China trade deal. Interestingly, the worldâs largest maker of construction equipment operates plants in Hastertâs 14th Illinois district. Caterpillar Corporation is a major Hastert donor and lobbied hard for PNTR for China. Caterpillar cut a deal with China to set up a plant on the mainland in order to help them build highway-paving equipment. All it needed was PNTR from Congress. They went to Hastert. He is credited with convincing many Republicans who were straddling the fence to get on board. Iâm sure Denny Boy can look for a nice token of Caterpillarâs appreciation in his Christmas stocking this year. At the same time that Republicans are imitating Neville Chamberlain, Jiang Zemin is imitating Adolf Hitler as China is engaged in the largest military buildup of its history. China seems determined to conquer Taiwan and is quite emphatic that it is willing to risk war with the United States to do it. Meanwhile, U.S. corporations and their co-conspirators in the U.S. Congress are supplying the tools and technology necessary to augment Red Chinaâs war machine. One of my favorite quotations comes from the great German reformer, Martin Luther. He said, "If I profess with the loudest voice and clearest exposition every portion of the truth of God except precisely that little point which the world and the devil are at the moment attacking, I am not confessing Christ, however boldly I may be professing Christ. Where the battle rages there the loyalty of the soldier is proved. And to be steady on all battlefields beside is merely flight and disgrace if he flinches at that point." There is no doubt in my mind that the main political battlefield for America today is the fight for independence and national sovereignty. America is quickly forsaking its autonomy to a bunch of indifferent internationalists determined to create a global economy and the global government that goes along with it. In this battle, George W. Bush and the entire Republican leadership are AWOL. In fact, neither political party has a red blooded, America-first, better-dead-than-red, "donât tread on me" champion leading it. What they have are a couple of bought-and-paid-for errand boys whose sole purpose in life is doing the bidding of the global elite. All this talk of a "global economy" might sound good at the moment, but just remember this: it wasnât a "global economy" that caused our American forefathers to pledge their lives, fortunes and sacred honor in a brutal revolutionary war. It wasnât a "global economy" that caused our stalwart soldiers to endure that hail of death and destruction on the beaches of Normandy. It wasnât a "global economy" that put our brave patriots on a thousand battlefields. Americans donât bleed and die for money-obsessed, multinational corporations and their dreams of global commerce! Americans know but one country. We are not citizens of the world; we swear no allegiance to any other flag. Itâs time our nationâs leaders remembered that we are Americans first, last and always and will never surrender our independence to any global, New World Order! Today, candor compels us to admit that our vaunted two-party system is a snare and a delusion, a fraud upon the nation. Our two parties have become nothing but two wings of the same bird of prey... Patrick Buchanan **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest
[CTRL] Nessie: Posting limits and comments thereon
Nessie: On the other hand, just going along with what whoever's in charge says is exactly the kind of behavior that got humanity into the mess it's in now. Want a totally democratic list with totally free speech and totally fair rules? START YOUR OWN!! Edward + === "In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/connector1.html Reality Pump: http://www.egroups.com/group/reality_pump === A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Top Forecasters Say Gore Will Win With 53-60% Of The Vote
[Two articles follow. First, what the lead academic prognosticators are forcasting (and they have historically had an almost perfect success rate), and second, an article on exactly how they do it. Neat stuff! --MS] From: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9159-2000May25.html By Robert G. Kaiser Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, May 26, 2000; Page A01 Is This Any Way to Pick A Winner? Editor's Note: Though all are written as works of political science and not aimed at a broad general audience, they are comprehensible to lay readers, except perhaps in sections devoted to statistical analysis. BEFORE THE VOTE includes the records of all the forecasters mentioned in today's article. So how exactly did Al Gore win the election of 2000? By making the clever decision to run in the midst of an economic boom, and by choosing to succeed a popular incumbent. You didn't realize that Gore has won the election? A technicality. According to half a dozen political scientists who have honed and polished the art of election forecasting, the die is all but cast. Today, with 165 days left before Americans go to the polls, they are saying Gore will win 53 to 60 percent of the vote cast for him and George W. Bush. Although Bush's pollster finds fault with these forecasts, these academic prognosticators have a startlingly good record predicting election results months in advance. The fact that opinion polls today give Bush a modest lead over Gore doesn't faze them. Polls this early in the campaign "just have a relatively low correlation with the fall vote," said Thomas Mann of the Brookings Institution, who has written about election forecasting. The forecasters have a better record, Mann added. "It's not even going to be close," said Michael Lewis-Beck of the University of Iowa, who foresees Gore winning 56.2 percent of the two-party vote. Lewis-Beck's forecasting model is based on growth of the gross domestic product from the fourth quarter of the preelection year through the first quarter of election year, and on poll findings on presidential approval and voter opinions on which party's candidate will best promote peace and prosperity. Should anyone listen to Lewis-Beck? Well, in 1996 he did miscall the final results. His July forecast that year foresaw President Clinton winning 54.8 percent of the two-party vote in November. In fact, Clinton won 54.7 percent. Yipes. That was a better prediction four months before the election than most commentators and pollsters could make a few days before the voting. Indeed, Lewis-Beck was much closer to the actual result than the national exit poll taken on Election Day as voters left their polling places, which overstated Clinton's vote by more than 3 percentage points. The leading academic forecasters share the belief that elections reflect, first of all, underlying trends in the economy and public opinion. Each has his own elaborate mathematical model, but they share common ingredients: a measurement of the health of the economy and poll findings on the public's political views. Some leave it at that, some add other factors, such as how Americans are feeling about their personal economic situations (literally better than ever before, at this moment). And different forecasting models use different measurements of the economy and of public opinion, taken at different times from about now through Labor Day. All of them use elaborate higher mathematics to come up with predictions of the share of the two-party vote that the candidate of the incumbent party will win in November. (All agree that third-party candidates have no palpable impact on their models, and history bears them out.) Five of the best forecasters (measured by their records) say that as of today, Gore can be expected to win 53 to 60 percent of the two-party vote in November. This means none of the forecasts predicts a really close election. Most of these models have picked the winner correctly in years since 1952 when the winner got 53 percent or more of the vote. If these models are right--and in fairness to their cautious authors, none seems ready to bet his pension on his prediction--Gore's biggest advantages are the popularity of the president and the continuing economic boom. Clinton enjoys an approval rating of about 60 percent in polls, a number that has remained constant for many months. This suggests that by November, many Americans may not agree with Bush and the Republicans that it's time for a change in the party holding the White House. While the longest economic expansion of the modern era continues, the status quo retains considerable appeal. Thomas M. Holbrook, a professor at the University of Wisconsin at Milwaukee, uses as an economic indicator public responses to a question asked regularly by one of America's oldest polls, the University of Michigan's survey of consumers: ". . . Would you say that you . . . are better off or worse off financially than you were a year
[CTRL] Massive ChemTrails Over Yakima, Wash.
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, 27 May 2000 02:50 Subject: Massive ChemTrails Over Yakima, Wash. 5.26.00 Massive ChemTrails Over Yakima, Wash. From Newsgroups 5/25/00 Hi John. Some thoughtful material on the Chemtrail/Contrails and their relationship to weather anomalies. Ronn - - - - - - - - Subject: Re: About clandestine weather modification, futures markets From: "Dick Eastman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, May 25, 2000 4:42 AM The day after posts initiating this thread the contrails were gone from Yakima and the temperatures were back to their normal range and no clouds of any kind were visible. A day later the permanent contrails were back and the day after that back with a vengeance. Yesterday, I took my daughter on the bike trail along the Naches River where from the center of the valley I could see vast expanses of sky. Throughout the day I observed many contrails in the sky, and from #:00 p.m. to six p.m. I was able to make quantitative observations, counting 12 to 16 separate contrails always in the sky at one time--new ones replacing those that had 'spindrifted' into permanent cirrus cloud or moved off to the north-east. I counted 16 contrails at one time (not counting many long clouds with distinct edges that I am sure began as contrails.) As these spread out (like Venetian blinds being closed and blended (spindrift), the familiar white sheeting of Cirrus cloud slowly took shape. The rate and density of contrailing over Yakima continued all day and into the night as far as I could tell from my periodic quick samplings before and after my intensive observation period. (Anyone who wants to see this can give me a call, I am in the book--free to any journalist or weather/climate expert who takes me up on it.) While this has been going on over the skies of Eastern Washington record-breaking temperatures have been obtaining across California, Nevada and Arizona. Las Vegas recorded temperatures of 107 deg. F. one degree over the previous record. Yakima, Washington - Here the temperature has been unseasonably cool and here cirrus clouds are being seeded/created by a large fleet of stratospheric jet plans owned by some group with an enormous budget. San Francisco, where there is currently a record heat wave topping 93 degrees, passing the record set in 1886 of 86 degrees. Normal temperature for May: 58 degrees F. Max. Normal high for July: 72 deg. F. Highest ever 106 deg. Sacramento, the inland capital of California is also experiencing record heat, topping 109 deg. F. In California the heat wave has overloaded the state's power grid, prompting utility regulators to declare an emergency Monday. Business are shutting down and the Sierra's are experiencing summer-like melts. Back in the 1960's weather books describe how clouds were being manufactured by seeding the air with silver iodide crystals. It is also well know that Cirrus clouds, while themselves very cold at 40,000 feet, are correlated (as precursors-- --functionally related as a controlling variable?--of warm weather. Again I remind readers that Yakima cumulus clouds are normally all we get at this time of year, clouds formed as they moist air from the coast, forced upward by the Cascades condenses and then float over the desert country that is Eastern Washington. It is clear that the contrails are being made on a massive scale; that the project and the agencies are secret; that the media is not interested in even considering the question (although I understand the internet has been reporting curious 'crisscrossing' contrail activity for years--I have observed this phenomenon for more than two years. Here are recent disasters involving Hurricanes, Typhoons, Blizzards, other storms with the number of deaths involved in parenthesis (I make no claims about the origins of these disasters, but I offer other minds the opportunity to see if they can discriminate any pattern or anomaly in this information: 1992 Aug. 24-26 H. Andrew, southern Fla., La (14) 1993 Mar. 13-14 Blizzard eastern U.S. (200) 1993 June Monsoon, Bangladesh (2000) 1994, Nov. 8-18 Storm Gordon, Caribbean, Fla. (830) 1995 Sept. 4-6 H. Luis, Caribbean (14) 1995 Sept. 13-22 H. Marilyn, Virgin Is,. Carrib. (13) 1995 Oct. 2-4 H. Opal, S. Mexico, Fla., Ala. (59) 1995 Nov. 2-3 T. Angela, Philippines (600+) 1996 Jan 7-8 Blizzard, northeastern U.S. (100) 1996 July 8-13 H. Bertha, Carib., eastern U.S. (15) 1996, Aug. 22 Blizzard, Himalayas, N. India 1996 Aug. 29 -Sept. 6 H. Francis, Carib., NC, Vir., WV. (28) 1996 Sept. 9 - 10 H. Hortense, Caribbean 1996 Sept. 9 Typhoon Sally, South China (114) 1996 Nov. 6 Cyclone, Andhra Pradesh, India (1,000+) 996 Nov. 24-25 Ice Storms, Tex. and MO (26) 1996 Dec. 25 Tropical Storm, E Malaysia (100+) 1997 May 19 Cyclone, Bangladesh 1997 May 26 Rain storm, Phillipines (29) 1997 July 2 Storms, southeastern MI (16) 1997 Aug. 18 Typhoon, Taiwan (24) 1997 Sept. 27 Cyclone, S.
[CTRL] Fwd: conspiracy Journal
Conspiracy Journal - http://www.webufo.net === * Conspiracy Journal * === http://www.webufo.net To subscribe: email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You will receive a verification email, please follow its directions. WELCOME to another thrill-packed issue of your favorite conspiracy-related email product ... *Conspiracy Journal!* Bringing you all the weird news that often is not considered fit to print by the so-called "mainstream media." A perfect example is the Gulf War Veterans article in this weeks issue. Most media outlets here in the United States failed to report on this interesting and troubling story. That's why we bring you Conspiracy Journal! We have the space to publish the suppressed news that often gets bumped for some stupid politician and his sexual encounters. Or the latest drug problems of Hollywood celebrities. We also have another book excerpt from Brantons new book: THE DULCE WARS! ~ And Now, On With The Show!~ = - AS IF THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS DEPARTMENT - O'Hare Air Traffic Controllers See Ghost Planes False radar images have been popping up on the screens of O'Hare International Airport's air traffic controllers, forcing pilots to take sudden turns unnecessarily, the Chicago Sun-Times reported in its Sunday editions. At least a dozen ``ghost planes'' have been reported during the last few weeks, the newspaper said, citing documents from the Terminal Radar Approach Control center in Elgin, Ill., and interviews with controllers. Controllers said that at least a few times, they have ordered pilots to take sudden turns to avoid what appeared to be planes on their radar, potentially putting passengers at risk. "The ghosting is a complete terror for the air traffic controllers,'' said Charles Bunting, president of the Elgin local of the National Air Traffic Controllers Association. False radar images can appear when a crane or construction tower is put up, said Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Tony Molinaro. Planes from nearby airports also have appeared much closer to O'Hare than they actually were in recent weeks, controllers said. Molinaro said there have been 13 ghost images in the last five weeks, rather than the eight or nine the FAA would usually expect in that time period, "meaning we still need to look into them.'' But Mike Egan, vice president of the controllers union at Elgin, accused the FAA of playing down the problem. "Maybe 130, but not 13,'' Egan said Friday. "We had a couple of them today, as a matter of fact. ... They know there's a problem.'' O'Hare controllers have also recently complained about the FAA's plans to speed air traffic at O'Hare by stacking arriving planes vertically around O'Hare's air space rather than having them line up single-file. Bunting said the radar situation raises questions about the safety of the procedure. = - IT'S ALWAYS A LONE ASSASSIN DEPARTMENT - Robert F. Kennedy Assassin Demands New Trial Lawyers for convicted assassin Sirhan Sirhan demanded a new trial in federal court Thursday, one day After the California Supreme Court rejected a similar request. In a petition nearly 300 pages long, Sirhan's attorney said his client was innocent of the 1968 slaying of Sen. Robert F. Kennedy, who was fatally Shot moments after declaring victory in the California presidential primary. "The prosecution's entire case was based upon fraudulent evidence," said attorney Lawrence Teeter. "Overwhelming physical evidence of multiple shooter, extra bullets and extra guns was systematically destroyed by the police. Witnesses were intimidated. Physical evidence was altered or substituted." The petition, filed in U.S. District Court, seeks a new evidentiary hearing and ultimately a new trial. It contends police substituted another bullet for the one recovered from Kennedy's neck. It also claims prosecutors covered up evidence that as many as three weapons were used and a second gunman was involved in the killing of Kennedy at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles. Sirhan, who is serving a life sentence for killing the New York Democrat, has been denied parole 10 times. He has repeatedly asserted his innocence, claiming he was in a hypnotic state at the time of the shooting and that a second gunman might have actually killed Kennedy. The second gunman theory was rejected in 1975 when a Superior Court judge presided over a re-examination of evidence. On Wednesday, the state Supreme Court decided on a 6-0 vote not to re-examine Sirhan's case, saying his 1997 state court petition was untimely and without merit. = - I DON'T DRINK WATER BECAUSE NESSIE FOOLS AROUND IN IT DEPARTMENT - Nessie's Could be Relative of the Walrus A team of Swedish scientists has revealed that
[CTRL] Hillary Fattening Campaign War Chest At Secret Sit-Down With Arafat Cronies
Hillary Fattening Campaign War Chest At Secret Sit-Down With Arafat Cronies Fund-Raising Event at Masri Mansion Closed to Press By ELI LAKE THE JEWISH FORWARD STAFF WASHINGTON -- The Democratic Senate candidate from New York, Hillary Rodham Clinton, is raising tens of thousands of dollars at secret private fund-raisers from cronies of Yasser Arafat, even as she publicly courts Jewish voters. Mrs. Clinton sat for an interview for this week's issue of the organ of the UJA-Federation of New York, and she's scheduled to march through the Big Apple in the Israel Day Parade on June 4. But the Forward has learned that on May 12, Mrs. Clinton attended a private fund-raising reception at the Washington mansion of Hani Masri, a close associate of Mr. Arafat. The event, which sources say raised more than $50,000, was closed to the press, which wouldn't have known about the event anyway, since it wasn't listed on Mrs. Clinton's public schedule. A week later, on May 19 -- the same day that Mayor Giuliani dramatically announced his withdrawal from the Senate race -- Mrs. Clinton quietly slipped into Virginia to attend another fund-raising event. This time, sources say, she brought in more than $70,000 at the home of Rafat "Ray" Mahmood, a Pakistani-American real-estate developer who was in Islamabad during President Clinton's visit to Pakistan earlier this year. Again, the fund-raiser was closed to the press and not listed on Mrs. Clinton's public schedule. The news of the events is raising concerns among some Middle East analysts, Jewish leaders and advocates of campaign-finance reform. No one is denying the right of Arab Americans or Muslim Americans to become involved in reform. No one is denying the right of Arab Americans or Muslim Americans to become involved in the American political process, and no one is alleging any impropriety. Questions are being raised, however, about what the events say about Mrs. Clinton's political judgment and about the stance she would take on Middle East issues if elected to the Senate. Other candidates supported by Mr. Mahmood or Mr. Masri, either directly or through political action committees, include some of Israel's most vocal critics in Congress, those such as Rep. Jim Moran, Rep. David Bonior and Rep. Tom Campbell. "This is part of the problem with Hillary Clinton. She just doesn't get it. She doesn't understand why many of us have this major problem with her positions. What can I tell you? These are exactly the kinds of things she needs to explain, and they are almost unexplainable," said Assemblyman Dov Hikind, a Democrat from Brooklyn. Mrs. Clinton, under the guidance of Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, has been wooing Mr. Hikind in recent weeks, even paying a shiva call in Brooklyn after the death of Mr. Hikind's father. Mr. Hikind said he would raise the issue of the secret fund-raisers with Mrs. Clinton the next time they spoke. The president of the Middle East Media Research Institute, Yigal Carmon, said of Mr. Masri, "I am not sure this is the best ally a candidate for the U.S. Senate should choose," especially for someone running in New York, with its substantial number of Jewish voters. Memri has done extensive research on the Masri family's control of the Palestinian Development Investment Co. and its ties to Mr. Arafat. Padico owns a majority stake in the stock market in the Palestinian Authority and in the poultry, mortgage, real-estate and plastic-bottle industries there. The fact that Mr. Masri's company, Capital Investment Management Corp., is awaiting the delivery of a $60 million loan backed by American taxpayers through the Overseas Private Investment Corp. also has some government watchdog groups concerned about appearances. The loan, for investments in the West Bank, Gaza and Jordan, was approved in 1997 in a process that involved no public advertisement or request for proposals. "Unfortunately, this is par for the course," said the spokesman for Common Cause, a campaign-finance watchdog group, Jeffrey Cronin. "The problem with our current campaign-finance system is that this creates the appearance that you have to donate or raise large sums of money to get access and influence with elected officials." Mr. Mahmood said he supports Democrats and has no views on foreign policy other than that he supports peace. He said he had been in Pakistan on a family vacation that coincided with Mr. Clinton's visit. Mr. Masri told the Forward that "both Bill and Hillary have done a great job. The president has done a great job in his foreign efforts." He added that the president and Mrs. Clinton's leadership give Israelis and Palestinian Arabs "hope to come to a peaceful settlement." "For that reason, I'm supporting the first lady," Mr. Masri said. Mr. Masri said he was asked by Mrs. Clinton's campaign to host the fund-raiser and that he complied. The event drew a few more than 60 persons, said Mr. Masri's wife,
[CTRL] Russia: Socio Ecological Union May 2000
N 4(13) May 2000 Published by Socio - Ecological Union Center for Coordination and Information *** IN THE ISSUE *** NEW PRESIDENT PROMISES HARD TIMES FOR ENVIRONMENT IN RUSSIA TADZHIK NATURE RESERVE SHOT BY THE MILITARY WHO KILLED KARELIAN FOREST INDUSTRY CHEMICAL WEAPONS MAY TURN CITY INTO CEMETARY SEU ENVIRONMENTAL JOURNALISM PROGRAM TURNS FIVE *** BAD NEWS *** NEW PRESIDENT PROMISES HARD TIMES FOR ENVIRONMENT IN RUSSIA On May 17 Decree of the new Russian President Vladimir Putin has eliminated existing environment protection system of the country. The Decree eliminated Environmental protection committee and Federal forest service, passing their functions to the different ministries, mainly to the Ministry of Natural Resources. Joining the functions of environmental resources use and control over this use will lead to no good. It is almost the same as to let the fox guard chicken house. No one denies that the environment protection system that existed in Russia needed improvement. But the very fact of the Decree shows the tendencies of the new Government. And these tendencies are not inspiring. The developments show that the governmental course is based on increased resource and environment exploitation, mega-industry and project oriented. All this, together with attacks on independent media (on May 11, around 500 masked Federal Security Service people attacked and searched the building of Media-Most group. Its NTV channel is critical of the regime) and attempts to restrict information flow, promises hard times for environmental movement and civil society in general in Russia. For more information: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** TADZHIK NATURE RESERVE SHOT BY THE MILITARY In this issue we reprint two articles from the Ecostan News, with the appeal to stop military exercises in Tajikistan nature Reserve Tigrovaya Balka. DR.ALIKHON LATIFI, DEPUTY MINISTER OF NATURE PROTECTION On 24 March, as a result of CIS (commonwealth of independent states) military exercises, a fire erupted in Tigrovaya Balka Nature Reserve. It burned for three days, consumed 4637 hectares, and killed 90,000 trees and many endangered animals, such as gray monitor lizards and pheasant. In addition, boars, hares, turtles, jerboa, and lizards fell victim. Ministry officials documented the damage and estimate the fire destroyed 10% of the reserve with a value of 2,270,000 Tajik rubles. We are now trying to establish the exact cause of the fire. We will appeal to the Procurator General to initiate felony charges as well. However, there is evidence the fire was caused by an air-to-surface warhead accidentally exploding in the reserve, in which case we will be unable to pursue the matter further. YURI SKOCHILOV AND SERGEI VORSIN, YOUTH ECOCENTER, DUSHANBE In March, in the Karadum buffer zone of Tigrovaya Balka (one of Central Asia's oldest, most famous nature reserves), CIS military exercises began. Similar exercises were held in 1997 with the result that 1000 hectares of highly biodiverse semi-tropics burned. In recent days, three fires within the nature reserve were reported to have resulted from the new exercises. However, the area is sealed-off now and inaccessible to local reporters. Youth EcoCenter and the Tajik State Forestry Concern (TajikLes) sent a letter of protest to the government. The government responded that the reserve staff should be prepared to provide fire fighting and similar measures during the exercises. Concurrently, in the final days of March a group of deputy ministers, presidential advisors, and academics gathered to discuss Tajikistan's adherence to the Earth Charter. We beg international stakeholders to block and refuse to acknowledge any efforts by Tajikistan to sign, ratify, or accede to international agreements in the face of Tajikistan's evident total disregard for those agreements it has signed. The result of such a freeze would be to cut off the bulk of salaries for the state bureaucrats who manage environmental policy in Tajikistan and those UNDP, World Bank, and TACIS staff and consultants who implement projects that they falsely claim advance environmental reform in Tajikistan. Let's take a stand against environmental business that has nothing to do with environmental protection! Realistically, we won't be able to stop these military exercises. But we can send a message to UNDP, World Bank, and the Kremlin, the three most influential donors in Tajikistan. These donors' real impacts on Tajikistan are less favorable than their self-advertising reveals. We, ten grassroots environmental NGOs in Tajikistan, beg other parts of
[CTRL] Russia: Committee on Ecology Abolished
Putin Axes Ecology Committee, Leads Russia Toward Environmental Crisis Oakland, CA - Russian President Vladimir Putin abolished Russiaôs State Committee on Ecology last weekend, effectively doing away with the only government agency that had any regulatory power over the environment. The move will fold the responsibilities of the Committee into the Ministry of Natural Resources, an agency that has been responsible for facilitating the extraction of the countryôs large reserves of oil, gas, and minerals. The Russian Federal Forest Service was also abolished, and that body will also be folded into the Ministry of Natural Resources. Russiaôs State Committee on Ecology was responsible for carrying out environmental inspections and environmental impact reviews and enforcing the countryôs environmental laws. It is unclear how these tasks will be handled by the Ministry of Natural Resources, which has usually supported the most environmentally destructive natural resource projects in Russia. Victor Danilov-Danilyan, chair of the State Committee on Ecology, called the decision an õabsurd step that does not comply with the spirit or the letter of Russian law.æ David Gordon, director of programs at California-based Pacific Environment and Resources Center (PERC), voiced concern over the move. õThis is the equivalent of abolishing our own Environmental Protection Agency and handing its responsibilities to an industry-friendly body like the Department of Energy. The agencies have two entirely different missions, and one is needed to watchdog the other. This is the undoing of more than a decade of attempts at getting some checks and balances into the Russian regulatory system.æ PERC is a non-profit organization that supports citizensô environmental groups throughout resource-rich Siberia and the Russian Far East, where the pressure for natural resource development has been greatly increasing. This development is often at odds with the areaôs rich biodiversity and vast wilderness. Russian environmental groups have expressed concern that Putinôs restructuring will leave the country without any environmental authority and will lead to a worsening of Russiaôs ecological crisis. Led by the Russian Center for Ecological Policy and the Socio-Ecological Union, these groups fear that the decision could impact Russiaôs environmental security and lead to even more harmful environmental projects, threatening Russiansô constitutional rights to a healthy environment. They have asked President Putin to use this opportunity instead to strengthen Russiaôs federal environmental authorities. - * ENWL (English) * Ecological North West Line * St. Petersburg, Russia E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- _ earthradioTV.com - Alternative News Forum for ecology, politics consciousness. MIRROR SITES: USA http://www.earthradioTV.com/ CZECH http://mujweb.cz/www/ecologynews/ UK http://members.tripod.co.uk/ecologynews/ Canada http://www.ecologynews.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Russian Environmental Digest vol 2 no. 20
ussian Environmental Digest (REDfiles) is a compilation of the week's major English-language press on environmental issues in Russia. 15 - 21 May 2000, Vol. 2, No. 20 1. V. Putin Signs Decree Abolishing State Committee for Environmental Protection (Goskomekologiia) 2. Europe's Wasted Aid 3. Russia Must Set Up National System To Keep Track of Nuclear Materials 4. Russia Draws Up Nuclear Submarine-Building Programme 5. Fires Near Chernobyl Could Pollute Atmosphere Again 6. Factory Makes Radioactive Waste Containers 7. Service Life of Russian Nuclear-powered Ice-breakers To Stretch 8. Russian, Norwegian Ministers Hold Talks on Nuclear Safety 9. Russian, Norwegian Foreign Ministers To Discuss Utilization of Russian Nuclear Subs 10. Estonia, Russia Restoring Fishery Resources in Narva River 11. Radioactive Container Stolen in Siberia 12. U.S. Planned Nuclear Attack on Moon To Scare Soviets 1 V. Putin Signs Decree Abolishing State Committee for Environmental Protection (Goskomekologiia) RIA OREANDA, May 19, 2000, Moscow The President of the Russian Federation V. Putin has signed the Decree "On the Structure of the Federal Bodies of the Executive Authority". The press-service of the President has published the full text of the decree: "With the view to form the effective structure of the federal bodies of the executive authority, according to Article 112 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the federal Constitutional law "On the government of the Russian Federation," I decree: 1. To confirm the enclosed structure of the federal bodies of the executive authority. 2. To abolish: The Ministry for the affairs of the Commonwealth of the Independent States; the Ministry for the science and technologies; the Ministry for Commerce; Economy Ministry; the State committee for the problems of the North; the State committee for land policy; the State committee for cinematography; the State committee for environmental protection; the State committee for the problems of youth; the federal service of the air transport of Russia; the federal Migration department; the federal department of Russia for the currency and export control; the Russian road agency. 3. To form: The Ministry for the economic development and commerce of Russia having delegated to it a part of the functions of the abolished Ministries for the affairs of CIS, Commerce, Economy, the State committee for the problems of the North; the federal service for the currency and export control and reformed Ministry for the physical training, sport and tourism; the Ministry of Industry, science and technologies having delegated to it the functions of the abolished Ministry of science and technologies and also a part of the functions of the abolished Ministries for Commerce and Economy; the federal service of the land-survey having delegated to it a part of the functions of the abolished State committee for the land policy. 4. To delegate: to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs a part of the functions of the abolished Ministry for the Affairs of CIS; to the Ministry of culture the functions of the abolished State committee for the cinematography; to the Ministry of Education the functions of the abolished State committee for the problems of youth; to the Ministry of natural resources the functions of the abolished State committee for environmental protection and federal service of the forestry; to the Transport Ministry the functions of the abolished federal service of the air transport and road agency; to the Finance Ministry a part of the functions of the abolished federal service for the currency and export control. 5. To reform: The Ministry of the state property to the Ministry privity having delegated to it a part of the functions of the abolished state committee for the land policy; the Ministry of physical training, sport and tourism to the State committee for the physical training, sport and tourism; the Ministry for the affairs of the federation and nationalities to the Ministry for the Affairs Federation, national and migration policy having delegated to it a part of the functions of the abolished federal migration service and a part of the functions of the abolished state committee for the problems of the North; the Agriculture and Food Ministry to the Ministry for Agriculture; the Ministry of fuel and energy to the Ministry of energetic. The state courier service attached to the government of Russia to the State courier service; the federal service for the special building attached to the government to the federal service of the special building. 6. To determine that the Chairman of government has 5 deputies including the deputy Chairman of the government - Minister of Agriculture and deputy Chairman of the government - Finance Minister. 7. To determine that the co-ordination of the work of the federal Ministers, heads of other federal bodies of the executive authority and the control over their activity are realized by the Chairman of
[CTRL] Russia Eliminates Environmental Agency
Russia Eliminates Environmental Agency MOSCOW, Russia, May 23, 2000 (ENS) - In a move to restructure the federal government's executive branch, President Vladimir Putin has eliminated the state committee for environmental protection along with several others. They were the state committees for forestry, northern regions, land policy, cinematography, and youth policy. The committee for environmental protection was the main government body responsible for monitoring and analyzing all environmental sectors except those related to nuclear issues. The decree was made public over the weekend and triggered immediate criticism from leading environmentalists. The environmental and forestry functions were transferred to the Ministry on Natural Resources, which licenses development of Russia's oil, natural gas and other mineral deposits. Indicating that he will be subordinating environmental concerns to the development of natural resources, President Putin Saturday completed his new Cabinet by appointing as energy minister a relative unknown, Alexander Gavrin, who has close ties to the country's biggest oil producer, LUKoil. In an interview with the "Moscow Times" Monday, former committee head Viktor Danilov-Danilyan called Putin's decree "absurd." He called for continued independent monitoring and testing of the environmental effects of natural resource development. But Putin's order does not transfer the environmental experts from the former state committee to the Ministry on Natural Resources and how the monitoring will be conducted is still unclear. In a statement issued last week, Greenpeace Russia called the elimination of the environmental protection committee "a step away from the civilized world." "Even the presence of a shabby State Committee for the Environment is better than no environmental monitoring body whatsoever," said Greenpeace Russia spokesman Alexander Shuvalov. Vladimir Slivyak, coordinator of nuclear programs for the Moscow based organization Ecodefense called the move, a step towards "de-environmentalization of the state." Working with environmental issues is not an easy task in Russia. President Putin was director of the Russian Security Police, or FSB, in 1998 and 1999. He is known to share their belief that environmentalists may be working against the best interests of Russia. Many Russian groups and individuals were accused of espionage for their work against radioactive contamination and for nuclear safety in 1999 and 2000. In arresting environmentalists and others, the Russian police have made wide use of the practice of planting drugs on them, human rights activists have said. - * ENWL (English) * Ecological North West Line * St. Petersburg, Russia E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- _ earthradioTV.com - Alternative News Forum for ecology, politics consciousness. MIRROR SITES: USA http://www.earthradioTV.com/ CZECH http://mujweb.cz/www/ecologynews/ UK http://members.tripod.co.uk/ecologynews/ Canada http://www.ecologynews.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] TOTALLY OT, but funny: Drudge: PRESIDENT REFUSES TO WEAR SEATBELT ... (fwd)
On Fri, 26 May 2000, William Shannon wrote: Is this conspiracy related or just stupid partisan pettiness? It's a shame that this fellow is allowed to post AD NAUSEUM that which any of us could read if we so chose on the right-wing media web sites...this was a mistake Kris! Please reconsider! YOU are a trip, Dude! LOL! FYI, Bill, I posted 7 times on the 25th, and there will be less than that today. In the 5 years I've been on this list, including my recent editor status, I have RARELY requested to, or have, exceeded the per day limit that all list members have. What's more, NONE OF MY POSTS ARE COMMENTS, i.e., THEY ARE ALL INFORMATIONAL, and MOST are ORIGINAL SOURCE INFO! IN OTHER WORDS, there were ONLY TWO DAYS THAT I SIGNIFICANTLY POSTED MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE, and AGAIN, THAT WAS DUE TO MY BEING OFF LINE/UNABLE TO POST FOR THE ENTIRE WEEK PRIOR TO THOSE EXCEPTIONS! Don't you read all the posts? Don't you think or check things out before you comment? I guess this question to you is RHETORICAL, because it is OBVIOUS that you DO NOT, i.e., if you would have been paying attention or checked before you sent (i.e., counted the actual number of my posts and how many days I exceeded the limit, or READ MY PAST EXPLANATION ON THIS THREAD), NONE OF MY ABOVE EXPLANATION TO YOU would have been necessary! You, my friend, are a real piece of work. How did you get this way, so angry and petty, anyway? Do you live alone? At any rate, I hope the above clarification SHUTS YOU UP on this issue. Warmest regards, Mike Bill A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Top Ten Mind Control Sites
From MC-L andn Armageddon or New Age: Researchers web sites (Mind Control -mostly) - See The specific terrorism.com sites below mention a gov't document noting electronic harassment. Better than Letterman's Top ten (but not as pleasant) Thanks for those who mentioned a few of these. I looked and searched and put these together http://www.calweb.com/~welsh http://www.calweb.com/~welsh/book.htm http://www.psychops.com http://www.glasscity.net/users/1927/europar2.htm http://www.copvcia.com http://www.sightings.com http://www.raven1.net/ravindex.htm http://www.nexusmagazine.com http://www.isleofavalon.co.uk/local/h-pages/pro-freedom http://www.freerepublic.com http://www.defraudingamerica.com Advanced Technology http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/projects.html Terrorism Research Web site messages below. www.Terrorism.com Gov't documentation from GPO mentioned http://www.terrorism.com/cgi-bin/wwwboard2/messages/180.html http://www.terrorism.com/cgi-bin/wwwboard2/messages/129.html earthradioTV.com - Alternative News Portal for ecology, politics consciousness. (including Mind Control) MIRROR SITES: USA http://www.earthradioTV.com/ CZECH http://mujweb.cz/www/ecologynews/ UK http://members.tripod.co.uk/ecologynews/ USA http://www.geocities.com/ecologynews/ USA http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/ecologynews/ Canada http://www.ecologynews.com/ Other Mind Control and resource sites http://www.sightings.com http://www.illuminetpress.com http://www.altered-state.com adventures unlimited http://azstarnet.com/~aup Leading edge International Research Group http://www.trufax.org New Web Sites (Barbara Hartwell, Psy-ops and mind control) http://www.ulster.net/~babs7/ Mirror Site: http://www9.50megs.com/hartwell/ Law Cases - look-up and Text Decisions, Analysis etc. - http://supremecourtus.gov http://oyez.nwu.edu A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Elites uber alles: How it's done. Corporate Rule.
5/26/00 The Right is really pissed at our Corporate and Political and Media Elites. So is Labor. So is the Left. What is holding them up? $$$ Soon there shall be the will to begin dechartering corporations in the USA. It wouldn't be a bad idea for Europeans to begin looking into what it takes to pull the corporate charter out from under corporate managers and reorganizing the very foundations of corporations. It is easier than it sounds. Joshua2 Republicans trade U.S.A. to Multinational Corporations May 26, 2000 It's official: 164 Republicans and 73 Democrats in the House of Representatives sold the birthright of America for a mess of corporate pottage. Lincoln had it all wrong. It's now a nation of corporate profits, by corporate profits and for corporate profits. Millions of dollars in corporate advertising and congressional lobbying paid off. The House approved permanent Most Favored Nation trade status to Communist China. Did I say lobbying? Bribery might be a better word. At least one congressman has already come forward to say, "I have turned down over $200,000 in multinational corporation PAC money if I would change my vote." He went on to say, "I came to Congress for a reason, and there is not enough money in the world to sway my vote. I will not sell out America's interests." That man is Republican Representative Merrill Cook, who represents Utah's 2nd congressional district. It's too bad the rest of the Republican Party doesn't feel the same way. By contrast, Speaker Dennis Hastert led the effort in the House to bring the Republican Party in line with Bill Clinton's China trade deal. Interestingly, the world's largest maker of construction equipment operates plants in Hastert's 14th Illinois district. Caterpillar Corporation is a major Hastert donor and lobbied hard for PNTR for China. Caterpillar cut a deal with China to set up a plant on the mainland in order to help them build highway-paving equipment. All it needed was PNTR from Congress. They went to Hastert. He is credited with convincing many Republicans who were straddling the fence to get on board. I'm sure Denny Boy can look for a nice token of Caterpillar's appreciation in his Christmas stocking this year. At the same time that Republicans are imitating Neville Chamberlain, Jiang Zemin is imitating Adolf Hitler as China is engaged in the largest military buildup of its history. China seems determined to conquer Taiwan and is quite emphatic that it is willing to risk war with the United States to do it. Meanwhile, U.S. corporations and their co-conspirators in the U.S. Congress are supplying the tools and technology necessary to augment Red China's war machine. One of my favorite quotations comes from the great German reformer, Martin Luther. He said, "If I profess with the loudest voice and clearest exposition every portion of the truth of God except precisely that little point which the world and the devil are at the moment attacking, I am not confessing Christ, however boldly I may be professing Christ. Where the battle rages there the loyalty of the soldier is proved. And to be steady on all battlefields beside is merely flight and disgrace if he flinches at that point." There is no doubt in my mind that the main political battlefield for America today is the fight for independence and national sovereignty. America is quickly forsaking its autonomy to a bunch of indifferent internationalists determined to create a global economy and the global government that goes along with it. In this battle, George W. Bush and the entire Republican leadership are AWOL. In fact, neither political party has a red blooded, America-first, better-dead-than-red, "don't tread on me" champion leading it. What they have are a couple of bought-and-paid-for errand boys whose sole purpose in life is doing the bidding of the global elite. All this talk of a "global economy" might sound good at the moment, but just remember this: it wasn't a "global economy" that caused our American forefathers to pledge their lives, fortunes and sacred honor in a brutal revolutionary war. It wasn't a "global economy" that caused our stalwart soldiers to endure that hail of death and destruction on the beaches of Normandy. It wasn't a "global economy" that put our brave patriots on a thousand battlefields. Americans don't bleed and die for money-obsessed, multinational corporations and their dreams of global commerce! Americans know but one country. We are not citizens of the world; we swear no allegiance to any other flag. It's time our nation's leaders remembered that we are Americans first, last and always and will never surrender our independence to any global, New World Order! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing
[CTRL] [prj] Fw: Goldsmith and his Gaian hierarchy
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: From: Lloyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: New Paradigms Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [prj] Fw: Goldsmith and his Gaian hierarchy Date: Thursday, May 18, 2000 7:26 AM Goldsmith and his Gaian hierarchy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 1:29 AM Subject: Goldsmith and his Gaian hierarchy http://www.savanne.ch/right-left-materials/gaian-hierachy.html Goldsmith and his Gaian hierarchy For some 30 years now the British millionaire Goldsmith has been promoting the same totalitarian ecological worldview. Dozens of Western European organisations on ecology, indigenous peoples, biotechnology, nuclear energy and "globalisation", have nevertheless cherished their good contacts with him. Five years ago Goldsmith became active in New Right circles, among the intellectuals who want to renew their extreme-right ideology. There, Goldsmith's writings have become compulsory by now. Just like Goldsmith, they want to "restore the natural social order" and the "traditional relations between people". Confronted with Goldsmith's extreme Right activities, some of his Left wing contacts in the Netherlands said the millionaire had become "old and senile". However, Goldsmith wrote his hunderds of articles and books from the same, very consistent New Right point of view. His choise to also work together with fascists is a logical consequence to his thinking. The model of the general Basic to all of Goldsmith's work is his fascistoid longing for a "stable society". That would have to be organized according to "the natural laws of Gaia", or "Mother Earth". To Goldsmith there exists but "a single order" and "a single set of laws, whose generalities apply equally well to biological organisms, vernacular societies and ecosystems and to Gaia herself." Of which the most important law is "that a natural system is organized hierarchically", writes Goldsmith. This law should also be central for society: "All behaviour, including the evolutionary process itself, must be controlled with the aid of a dynamic model analogous to that used by the general". Goldsmith says he gets his inspiration "from the world-view of vernacular societies". "By seeing his body, his house and his settlement as reflecting the same critical order, which is also that of his society of the natural world and of the cosmos itself, it becomes clear to vernacular man that his life is subject to the same single law that governs the cosmic hierarchy." The millionaire regrets the "progress" by which this knowledge is getting lost, because "traditional man" knew very well "that the world is hierarchically organized" European medieval and feudal times also inspire Goldsmith. The "stable society" at that time was governed, according to Goldsmith, by the "natural principle" of "hierarchical mutualism". That almost all people were enslaved at the time, doesn't bother him. "Medieval serfs were bound to their land, but their relationship to their lord was one of mutual obligations rather than of sheer economic expediency, and in exchange they normally had security! of tenure." So, also nobility had their obligations, the millionaire assures us, "noblesse oblige". The feudal system was following the "generalized natural law", that says that "the relationship between things and beings at different echelons in the hierarchy of the cosmos is not symmetrical. Vital power flows downwards to vitalize and hence sanctify things and beings at the lower echelons, though it will only do so if the latter fulfil their obligations towards the higher echelons and hence towards the cosmos a a whole." Abhorring unnatural colours Now and again Goldsmith quotes the anarchist Kropotkin. At the beginning of the century he said: "Nature is the first ethical teacher of man". Just like Goldsmith Kropotkin also tried to extract his political ideals from nature. His books, with beautiful titles like "mutual aid", inspired millions of anarchists all over the world. But, fascist or anarchist, it cannot be liberating for an ideologist to project his political ideals and analysis on "nature" trying to win political arguments, and aquire power. One can probably find analogies in nature to every type of human society and behaviour. So this type of argument proves nothing. But it does promote analysing the world using nonsense dualities like between "the natural" and "the artificial". Goldsmiths trick is to simply attach eco-labels saying "natural" or "natural law" to his extreme Right preferences. He is very honest about that: "There is no reason to suppose that ecological knowledge - in its different variants - is any more objective, less value-laden or less purposeful. It is,
Re: [CTRL] What's up with a government that sides with Mexicanillegals?
... The answer is...the Federal Government no longer represents the US. It is entirely under the influence of International Capitalists. The China vote makes that abundantly clear. The reason that the gov sides with Mexican illegals is twofold. 1) American employers on this side of the border like cheap vulnerable labor. 2) America has a deal with Mexico to siphon off as many poor as we can bear to absorb in order to keep Mexico stable. We are an outlet for Mexico's poor. Too many poor = revolution. On Mexico's Southern border, they are viciously determined to keep out Central America's poor who have dreams of El Norte in a Spanish speaking land. Joshua2 = Bill Richer wrote: WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] A vote for Bush or Gore is a vote to continue Clinton policies! A vote for Buchanan is a vote to continue America! Therefore a vote for Gore or Bush is a wasted vote for America! Don't waste your vote! Vote for Patrick Buchanan! What's up with a government that sides with Mexican illegals? By Charley Reese Columnist Published in The Orlando Sentinel on May 25, 2000 It's probably time we realized that whatever self-government we have left in this country is with our local and state governments. The national government seems to have cut us out of the loop. It even shows signs of hostility to us. Take, for example, the current situation on the Arizona border. Some ranchers there, whose property abuts the border with Mexico, have grown tired of seeing their property used as a dump and highway by illegal Mexican immigrants. They have begun to make citizens' arrests. Now every American has the right to make a citizens' arrest, but the U.S. government is up in arms. About the abuse of the ranchers' property? About the Mexicans violating our laws and our borders? Oh, no, they are upset with the ranchers. The U.S. attorney there states that he's researching the law to see if there are any charges he can bring against them. Some hotshot Mexican official has hired an American law firm to sue the ranchers. Now let's get this straight. It is the ranchers who are being victimized by the illegal immigrants. They are upholding the law, while the U.S. government's entire sympathy seems to be with the Mexican illegals. It shows hostility to the ranchers who are, after all, doing what the U.S. government is supposed to do. As for the Mexican official and every other Mexican official, they should create a country in which their people can live and earn a decent living instead of being impoverished and exploited by a crooked government and its goons. The gall of Mexican government officials complaining about the treatment of Mexicans in America. They are treated better here than in Mexico. That is why -- surprise, surprise -- they come here. The true tragedy of Mexico is that the Mexican people love it so, but the country, or at least its government, has never returned their affection. About 20 families own most of the country, and, of course, for the past 50 years it has had pseudo-elections while being governed by one party. A few months ago, two Mexican army vehicles charged across the U.S. border, knocking down a fence and firing on U.S. Border Patrol agents who were on horseback. When reinforcements arrived, one of the Mexican army vehicles fled back across the border while the other surrendered. But guess what the orders were from Washington. Let them go and give them their weapons. It was all a mistake. Some of the rank-and-file Border Patrol officers don't think for one minute it was mistake. They think that the army vehicles were intent on delivering drugs and the one that fled took the drugs back to Mexico. The Arizona ranchers have a similar view of the Mexican government, and, in fact, through the years I've talked to agents with the Drug Enforcement Agency and Customs and Border Patrolmen who all agree, despite the Washington chatter to the contrary, that the Mexican government is up to its armpits in the drug trade. At any rate, Americans ought to get sick and tired of the Mexican government pushing its problems off on us. It is the Mexican government's responsibility to create an economy in which its people can make a decent living and live a decent life. Instead, it exploits the hell out of them and sends them across the border to earn money to send back to their families in Mexico. It is not the Mexican people who are at fault here. They suffer from bad government, as indeed do we on the national level. Nor is it the fault of the rank-and-file Border Patrol officers who are not being supported by their own Washington bosses. It is certainly not the ranchers who are at fault. But if you just watch, you can see example after example in which our national government shows a hostile face to American citizens. Today, candor compels us to admit that our vaunted two-party system is a snare and a
[CTRL] Fwd: [GCFL] Contractors At the White House
Note: forwarded message attached. __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ [ You are subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Three contractors were touring the white house on the same day. One was from New York, another from Missouri, and the third from Florida. At the end of the tour, the guard asked them what they did for a living. When they each replied that they were contractors the guard said "Hey, we need one of the rear fences redone. Why don't you guys look at it and give me a bid." So to the back fence they went. First up was the Florida contractor. He took out his tape measure and pencil, did some measuring and said, "Well I figure the job will run about $900. $400 for materials, $400 for my crew, and $100 profit for me." Next was the Missouri contractor. He also took out his tape measure and pencil, did some quick figuring and said, "Looks like I can do this Job for $700. $300 for materials, $300 for my crew, and $100 profit for me." Then the guard asks the New York contractor how much. Without so much as moving the contractor says, $2700." The guard, incredulous, looks at him and says "You didn't even measure like the guys! How did you come up with such a high figure?" "Easy" says the contractor from New York, "$1,000 for me, $1,000 for you and we hire the guy from Missouri." Received from Dr. Scott Brooksby. -=+=- Remember when the funniest jokes were the clean ones? They still are! The Good, Clean Funnies List: Good, clean funnies five times a week, FOR FREE! For subscription and other information, go to our web page at http://www.gcfl.net, or send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] A cheerful heart is good medicine... (Prov 17:22a) Today's GCFL is online at http://www.gcfl.net/archive/2526.html -- To be removed from this list, go to http://www.gcfl.net/cgi-bin/gcflweb.cgi?remove or send e-mail to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' with 'remove' in the subject.
Re: [CTRL] UFO should not necessarily imply ET ?
Tony Dickinson wrote: How's about some new nomenclature to help dissambiguate one's position re any given Unidentified Flying Object (UFO). I would like to propose the following for example: UFOpo (UFO probably ours) A terrestrial craft of type unknown to observer UFOpa (UFO putative alien) An aerial phenomenon outside the World of books UFOso (UFO stellar object) An sighting of event predictable to astronomy UFOsa (UFO secret agent) Accidental sighting of 'odd-shaped' spy-craft UFObo (UFO biological object) Flocking birds, Insects, (+Fish if Fortean) UFOba (UFO bugger all) Imagined objects in far depth/neuroptic distortions Although offered somewhat light heartedly, the issue of whether any given UFO sighting/report might lose its U-nature is not always clear. Samantha, there have been "sightings" of all kinds throughout history, it is you, and others of similar mindset (those who are inclined to believe in alien visitation, not that there is anything wrong with that) who classify these things as UFO's flown by aliens, with not one lick of evidence to support it. To me, a UFO is any putative craft in the air that I cannot identify, hence the U; - this can often include a wide variety of civil (and most military) aircraft which I might see at 'funny' angles in the sky. One person's UFO might conceivably be someone else's IFO (and vice-versa). ET in my view is/are lifeforms, not necessarily biological in a commonly-used terrestrial sense, who's origin is beyond the Earth's biosphere. Most photons are of extraterrestrial origin (Solar) but some are man-made (lightbulbs). According to many astronomers 'interstellar dustclouds' are thought to harbour life; Marburg/hantavirus hybrids appear to be very terrestrial. In a nutshell, I would suggest that the most healthy view would be to simultaneously entertain view that: 1. A UFO could contain ET. 2. An ET might travel in/on a medium of unidentifiable appearance. Likewise, and just for completeness:- 1. A UFO might as well turn out to be a terrestrial object (UFOpo/UFOsa) prior to its identification (thereafter becoming an IFO). 2. ET might travel in a biol membrane/747/Shuttle/rocket (i.e., an IFO). Just a thoughts, whilst the Jury is still out ? Cheers, Tony. This is interesting and even workable. But logic dictates that you invert the order. THIS: 1. A UFO might as well turn out to be a terrestrial object (UFOpo/UFOsa) prior to its identification (thereafter becoming an IFO). SHOULD BE NUBER ONE in a logical sequence of probabilities. Then there are more likely possibilities before you need to even mention ETs. But it's ETs that's the real kicker isn't it. It doesn't matter that there is zero evidence that they even exist. The subject is boring and unsexy if Et's were out of the equation. So you guys keep hope alive. Unreality Rules. Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .
Show us this. I'll believe it when I see it, if in fact that is what it is. Showing us an account of the matter will not suffice. Show us the actual code, as well as the evidence that it couldn't be of terrestrial origin. It was a blond chinese person [ a bit of a contradiction and she had a DNA marker that has not existed on this planet for a Very long time. [all of this depends on our definition of what a human is though - in fact where humans came from originally] - Yes, I think that there's a lot more to life than the surface of this planet - maybe the subsurface too. Note I said presence, and not existence. The existence of ETs is pretty much a mathematical certainty. Count stars. Hell yes, there are ETs. We'd be foolish and vain to assume there were no ETs. They're out there, alright. But are they here? Maybe. But we have no proof. To proceed from an a priori assumption is irrational. The world is overrun with belief systems based on a priori assumptions. They're all irrational. I was abducted and was privvy to imagery for which there was no a priori media coverage and fictions ie. in 1980 - I more recently identified my hosts with the aid of modern mythology however. yet the hottest non-human UFO news on the planet as far as I'm concerned is the ease with which we can talk about reptile life forms and dig up piles of contemporary and archaeological evidence to qualify what we're talking about. OK, let's see the evidence of sentient reptiles, "shape shifting" or otherwise. Trot it out. I'll look. thats kind of you - but its a big topic - we may start with, india, or africa, or greece, or china, or south america, or europe for the historical stuff - or maybe refer to a book written by a researcher in 1790, or look at the stuff Dr John Dee was into in elizabethan times - or maybe I could get my mate Dave to send you the video we made of Brenda Butler - who had a lodger called david daniels who scared the living daylights out of her, or the work we did here on the cottinglea faeries photos and how they had been painted with faeries to cover up shapechangeing elsie wright - we have an original photo of her looking Very Large and not at all like a young slim lady but since you're in a touch-verify mood - and the epistemological status of all the information that you recieve by computer is a posteriori [after the fact] - one could always argue why you might be on the internet at all - for nothing you will find there could ever prove anything to you ... :) best wishes, andrew A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .
Andrew Hennessey wrote: At 01:14 AM 26, 05, , 2000 EDT, you wrote: In a message dated 5/24/00 10:34:54 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BUT one must not think that your ideas are beyond criticism, SO if you post then there will be people who disagree, and if you have a theory some may want proof in support of it. I'd never dream that my ideas are above criticism, and never once implied otherwise. I think the screech level that arises on this list when anyone brings up the subject of UFOs is quite telling. There's plenty of evidence, anecdotal and otherwise, that unidentified objects have been flying in our skies for a century or more. There's evidence, not proof. But what do any of us have that is proof of anything? Have you ever met Clinton? Are you sure he exists? Could he be a digital image? If you met him, can you prove he wasn't a cyborg? I mean, get real. Samantha Hey Samantha,'get real' is not a figure of speech you use literally. Right? thanks samantha - I was going to use the china argument - if you've never been there and touched it - how do you know it physically exists. This is PURE BULLSHIT. And stupid to boot. You KNOW China exists and so do the rest of us. The existence of China is an agreed upon fact. If you doubt the existence of China, it's because there is a problem with your mind, and not with the existence of China. This is what I pointed out in a previous post about guys like you damaging others' psyches. You can't prove your point because it's not real. So what do you need to do? You need to destroy in a healthier mind than yours, the 'obviously true' by imposing doubt of perception when it isn't there. This is ( low quality ) mind control for purely selfish purposes. This is an act of violence against people's minds. It's called a mind fuck. It's what we don't like when the government, or commercial advertisers subject us to the vary same thing. There is as much 'proof' for china as there is for ufo's - in fact the physical proof of ets and their DNA already exists from a strand of hair analysed after an abduction in australia etc Its a form of debate called Logical Realism 'touch verification theory' and in the case of ufo's [with miles of camcorder footage from all over the planet - really massive compilations of footsge, archaeological evidence etc] - is used out of context here on this list. There's nothing wrong with trying to be rational - but much in the same way that we should run with the inductive hypothesis that there is a place called china - and see where it leads - see where the conspiracy is - so we should be running with the not very vast conjectural leap that there are ETs - and see where that leads - where the conspiracy is. Lets all rationally analyse the belief system that there are ETs colluding with government agencies - an analysis prevented by the denial of ETs. andrew A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .
Andrew Hennessey wrote: Show us this. I'll believe it when I see it, if in fact that is what it is. Showing us an account of the matter will not suffice. Show us the actual code, as well as the evidence that it couldn't be of terrestrial origin. It was a blond chinese person My next door neighbor is a blond Chinese person. [ a bit of a contradiction and she had a DNA marker that has not existed on this planet for a Very long time. How can anyone know this. To know this there would have to be very old dna with which to compare. [all of this depends on our definition of what a human is though Here we go again. We all know what a human is. The definition of what a human is is not ambiguous. - in fact where humans came from originally] - Yes, I think that there's a lot more to life than the surface of this planet - maybe the subsurface too. Deep! Note I said presence, and not existence. The existence of ETs is pretty much a mathematical certainty. Count stars. Hell yes, there are ETs. We'd be foolish and vain to assume there were no ETs. They're out there, alright. But are they here? Maybe. But we have no proof. To proceed from an a priori assumption is irrational. The world is overrun with belief systems based on a priori assumptions. They're all irrational. I was abducted and was privvy to imagery for which there was no a priori media coverage and fictions ie. in 1980 - I more recently identified my hosts with the aid of modern mythology however. The above statement shows that (in order of logical probability )... You are a liar. You are deluding yourself. You are insane. You have a pecuniary motive for claiming this. You are somehow getting an emotional payoff. It is true. yet the hottest non-human UFO news on the planet as far as I'm concerned is the ease with which we can talk about reptile life forms and dig up piles of contemporary and archaeological evidence to qualify what we're talking about. OK, let's see the evidence of sentient reptiles, "shape shifting" or otherwise. Trot it out. I'll look. thats kind of you - but its a big topic - we may start with, More stories. More bullshit. More conjecture. Yada, yada, yada. NO HARD EVIDENCE. india, or africa, or greece, or china, or south america, or europe for the historical stuff - or maybe refer to a book written by a researcher in 1790, or look at the stuff Dr John Dee was into in elizabethan times - or maybe I could get my mate Dave to send you the video we made of Brenda Butler - who had a lodger called david daniels who scared the living daylights out of her, or the work we did here on the cottinglea faeries photos and how they had been painted with faeries to cover up shapechangeing elsie wright - we have an original photo of her looking Very Large and not at all like a young slim lady but since you're in a touch-verify mood - and the epistemological status of all the information that you recieve by computer is a posteriori [after the fact] - one could always argue why you might be on the internet at all - for nothing you will find there could ever prove anything to you ... :) best wishes, andrew A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the
Re: [CTRL] The Sold-Out Media
Kris Millegan wrote: from:alt.conspiracy As, always, Caveat Lector Om K - Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:617230"The Sold-Out Media/A - Subject: The Sold-Out Media From: Freedom Project A HREF="mailto:Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]"Use-A uthor-Address-Header@[127.1]/A Date: Tue, May 23, 2000 11:36 AM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted by: "Tom Keske" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Much interesting info snipped. In fact, I agreed with everything except the conclusion: The proper perspective is that of the young Army idealist in "Saving Private Ryan" who at first fussed about the proper ethics and rules for handling prisoners-of-war. By the end, after enough brutal reality, he shoots a German prisoner just for failing to jump and move when he ordered him to move. It wasn't so much a matter of his being "corrupted"- it was a matter of him seeing a brutal situation, more realistically. Actually the nazi he shot at the end was the same one he "fussed about", and caused to be let go (on the condition that he turns himself in to the next Allied troops he encounters, and under no circumstances re-join a nazi unit). He sees this same guy, who should be a prisoner of war, not only "recycled" and fighting with the SS (as feared), but actually shoot/kill Tom Hank's character. *That's* why "the young Army idealist" shot the bastard; not for "failing to jump and move when he ordered him to move", as implied. Good thing he shot him too; because if the other American solider from the idealist's unit who survived -- the one who was going to go AWOL in protest of letting the nazi prisoner go the first time -- if he would've seen this same prisoner at the end of the battle, he would probally have shot not only the nazi, but the "young Army idealist" to boot -- especially if he ever found out he was the one who killed the capt'n. This is a war that we are in. Tom Keske Boston, Mass. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] TOTALLY OT, but funny: Drudge: PRESIDENT REFUSES TO WEAR SEATBELT ...
In a message dated 5/26/00 10:06:06 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: YOU are a trip, Dude! LOL! Well you're a BORE...sweetie! IN OTHER WORDS, there were ONLY TWO DAYS THAT I SIGNIFICANTLY POSTED MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE, and AGAIN, THAT WAS DUE TO MY BEING OFF LINE/UNABLE TO POST FOR THE ENTIRE WEEK PRIOR TO THOSE EXCEPTIONS! Ye-Haw bud! I meet the quota of 7 posts/day and I try my best NOT to PREACH...but SADLY you have no issues PREACHING...and your RIGHT-WING sentiments have been noted and lamented...you're a MORON and you're positions are dumbassed! So fuck you and hope you die beatch! K?? You suck! And fuck you again! Peace! Bill A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
