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[SOLUCIONADO] clonar una ventana en Xwindows
On Saturday October 1 2011, Carlos Zuniga carlos@gmail.com wrote: 2011/9/30 Luis Felipe Tabera lftab...@yahoo.es: Tengo un problema que no se muy bien como resolver en un aula. Tengo un ordenador conectado a un proyector externo. Actualmente uso kde4 con debian testing. El sistema reconoce automáticamente el monitor externo y puedo trabajar con ambos monitores a la vez sin problemas. Bien clonando la imagen o con un escritorio virtual abarcando las dos pantallas. Lo que me gustaría hacer es conseguir que algunas ventanas elegidas por mi se vean en las dos pantallas y otras solo en la pantalla del ordenador. Una solución simple es usar el programa xzoom con un zoom de 1 (-mag 1). Puedes jugar con las opciones -geometry y -xy para que al abrirlo se ubique en la posición correcta y copie la parte de la pantalla que desees. Gracias por la idea, lo he probado y para algunas configuraciones sería útil. El problema es que xzoom copia todo el escritorio. Por lo que si solapo mi ventana privada sobre la ventana que quiero presentar se vería mi ventana provada en el proyector. Una solución similar al xzoom también la tenemos con el propio xrandr. Jugando con las configuraciones de los dos monitores. Por ejemplo, proyector externo con resolución 800x600 y monitor interno con resolución 1366x768 y que se solapen los escritorios (clone). Las ventanas públicas irían en ese área 800x600 común y tendría un área de 500x758 para ventanas privadas. Los que usamos kde tenemos una interfaz gráfica muy cómoda para jugar con el xrandr en systemsettings Hardware display and monitor, que a mi personalmente me funciona muy bien (tarjeta integrada intel hd3000). Con esta solución tenemos el mismo problema que con el xzoom. Hay un área en la pantalla privada que no podemos usar. Lo que he hecho es lo siguiente: Instalé un servidor y un visor vnc # aptitude install tightvncserver xtightvncviewer Si no instalamos los paquetes recomendados, instalamos también algunas fuentes, pero lo marcamos como instalado automáticamente. # aptitude install xfonts-base+M Tengo problemas si tengo un escritorio kde y una sesión vnc con kde. Al abrir programas en la sesión vnc el programa casca. Por lo que he decidido usar una sesión ligera en la sesión vnc. Por ejemplo fluxbox que es muy cómodo pues puedes manejar las ventanas con el ratón (esto será importante). # aptitude install fluxbox Nos leemos algún manual vnc, una forma de empezar: usuario@computer$ man vncserver usuario@computer$ man vncviewer Podemos ejecutar una vez vncserver para que nos cree los ficheros de configuración de usuario. luisfe@mychabol$ vncserver :1 Nos pedirá una contraseña para la sesión, escogemos una apropiada. Cerramos la sesión luisfe@mychabol$ vncserver -kill :1 Ahora tendremos un directorio .vnc vamos a editar el fichero $HOME/.vnc/xstartup para que vnc arranque una sesión de fluxbox En el fichero $HOME/.vnc/xstartup reemplazamos la línea /etc/X11/Xsession Por la línea fluxbox Ahora ya podemos usar el vnc. Para que la visión sea cómoda elijo configurar el monitor externo y el interno con resoluciones distintas pero con la misma resolución vertical. Además, conviene que el monitor interno tenga al menos la misma resolución horizontal. En mi caso: proyector externo - 1024x768 monitor interno - 1366x768 proyector externo a la izquierda del monitor interno. Ahora, lanzamos una sesión vnc con resolución igual a la del monitor externo. luisfe@mychabol:~$ vncserver :1 -geometry 1024x768 -localhost Ahora abrimos un visor vnc luisfe@mychabol:~$ vncviewer :1 Nos pedirá la contraseña que hemos introducido más arriba. Deberíamos ver una ventana xon un escritorio de fluxbox. Esta ventana la movemos al monitor externo y usamos las opciones de nuestro window manager para poner la ventana del visor a pantalla completa, maximizada, sin borde y sin borde superior. De esta manera, en el monitor externo solo de debe ver el escritorio de fluxbox completo. Abrimos otro visor vnc. Necesitaremos un display libre. En mi caso :1 luisfe@mychabol:~$ vncviewer :1 Este lo dejamos en el monitor interno. Ahora, en este visor podemos interacturar con la sesión vnc y lanzar la presentación que tengamos preparada o cualquier otra aplicación. Además, podemos abrir cualquier otra ventana en el monitor interno y distribuirlas como queramos. Como nota adicional, el ordenador que uso es un portatil thinkpad, que trae dos ratones. Un touchpad y un trackpoint. En cualquier otro ordenador se puede hacer lo siguiente siempre que tengamos dos ratones físicos (puede ser dos ratones usb p. ej). Podemos usar el programa xinput para que el touchpad y el trackpad sean punteros independientes del ratón. Búsquese algún tutorial por internet. Podemos ver el id de cada ratón con la orden luisfe@mychabol:~$xinput list En mi caso, el ratón trackpoint
Re: clonar una ventana en Xwindows
2011/9/30 Luis Felipe Tabera lftab...@yahoo.es: Hola lista, Tengo un problema que no se muy bien como resolver en un aula. Tengo un ordenador conectado a un proyector externo. Actualmente uso kde4 con debian testing. El sistema reconoce automáticamente el monitor externo y puedo trabajar con ambos monitores a la vez sin problemas. Bien clonando la imagen o con un escritorio virtual abarcando las dos pantallas. Lo que me gustaría hacer es conseguir que algunas ventanas elegidas por mi se vean en las dos pantallas y otras solo en la pantalla del ordenador. Por ejemplo, puedo tener un pdf compilado con latex en el proyector y el fichero tex en el otro de manera que compile el tex en tiempo real. Actualmente, o todo el mundo ve mi edición o, si yo quier ver el resultado del pdf, tengo que girar la cabeza y mirar el proyector. Otro uso. Tengo una ventana con un programa interactivo y tengo otra ventana con notas que voy tomando de las respuestas de los alumnos. Como no quiero que vean mis notas, me obligan a usar un escritorio abarcando las dos pantallas. Pero de esta manera, no puedo interactuar cómodamente con el programa que está solo en el proyector. ¿Hay alguna forma de hacer esto? Se me ha ocurrido buscar si hay algún programa para X11 que permita clonar una ventana. Se tiene que poder hacer, porque veo ventanas duplicadas con las miniaturas de la barra de tareas. Otra solución sería conseguir que las dos pantallas fueran escritorios virtuales independientes de la misma sesión. De esta manera, podría elegir la opción ver en todos los escritorios en las ventanas que me interesan. No he conseguido ninguna de las dos opciones. ¿A alguien se le ocurre algo? Buenas, Pues había un programita xzibit [1] que prometía hacer eso. Lo permitía hacer por red, pero imagino que también del mismo equipo al mismo equipo (poniendo localhost). Pero el programa creo que se ha quedado parado e incluso el repositorio ya no está, igual podrías preguntarle al autor [2]. La idea es compartir por VNC pero sólo ventanas de X Un saludo [1] http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Xzibit [2] http://marnanel.dreamwidth.org/156378.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cal5ymztxpvhfdf-v5pusi4-hvynb7j9jz0j8k7+9l1kne9r...@mail.gmail.com
Re: clonar una ventana en Xwindows
2011/9/30 Luis Felipe Tabera lftab...@yahoo.es: Hola lista, Tengo un problema que no se muy bien como resolver en un aula. Tengo un ordenador conectado a un proyector externo. Actualmente uso kde4 con debian testing. El sistema reconoce automáticamente el monitor externo y puedo trabajar con ambos monitores a la vez sin problemas. Bien clonando la imagen o con un escritorio virtual abarcando las dos pantallas. Lo que me gustaría hacer es conseguir que algunas ventanas elegidas por mi se vean en las dos pantallas y otras solo en la pantalla del ordenador. Por ejemplo, puedo tener un pdf compilado con latex en el proyector y el fichero tex en el otro de manera que compile el tex en tiempo real. Actualmente, o todo el mundo ve mi edición o, si yo quier ver el resultado del pdf, tengo que girar la cabeza y mirar el proyector. Otro uso. Tengo una ventana con un programa interactivo y tengo otra ventana con notas que voy tomando de las respuestas de los alumnos. Como no quiero que vean mis notas, me obligan a usar un escritorio abarcando las dos pantallas. Pero de esta manera, no puedo interactuar cómodamente con el programa que está solo en el proyector. ¿Hay alguna forma de hacer esto? Se me ha ocurrido buscar si hay algún programa para X11 que permita clonar una ventana. Se tiene que poder hacer, porque veo ventanas duplicadas con las miniaturas de la barra de tareas. Otra solución sería conseguir que las dos pantallas fueran escritorios virtuales independientes de la misma sesión. De esta manera, podría elegir la opción ver en todos los escritorios en las ventanas que me interesan. No he conseguido ninguna de las dos opciones. ¿A alguien se le ocurre algo? Una solución simple es usar el programa xzoom con un zoom de 1 (-mag 1). Puedes jugar con las opciones -geometry y -xy para que al abrirlo se ubique en la posición correcta y copie la parte de la pantalla que desees. saludos -- Linux Registered User # 386081 A menudo unas pocas horas de Prueba y error podrán ahorrarte minutos de leer manuales. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caabycjncozguorp5ewj2ls1x0l7+g0x6hjfqiw_vm7t070d...@mail.gmail.com
clonar una ventana en Xwindows
Hola lista, Tengo un problema que no se muy bien como resolver en un aula. Tengo un ordenador conectado a un proyector externo. Actualmente uso kde4 con debian testing. El sistema reconoce automáticamente el monitor externo y puedo trabajar con ambos monitores a la vez sin problemas. Bien clonando la imagen o con un escritorio virtual abarcando las dos pantallas. Lo que me gustaría hacer es conseguir que algunas ventanas elegidas por mi se vean en las dos pantallas y otras solo en la pantalla del ordenador. Por ejemplo, puedo tener un pdf compilado con latex en el proyector y el fichero tex en el otro de manera que compile el tex en tiempo real. Actualmente, o todo el mundo ve mi edición o, si yo quier ver el resultado del pdf, tengo que girar la cabeza y mirar el proyector. Otro uso. Tengo una ventana con un programa interactivo y tengo otra ventana con notas que voy tomando de las respuestas de los alumnos. Como no quiero que vean mis notas, me obligan a usar un escritorio abarcando las dos pantallas. Pero de esta manera, no puedo interactuar cómodamente con el programa que está solo en el proyector. ¿Hay alguna forma de hacer esto? Se me ha ocurrido buscar si hay algún programa para X11 que permita clonar una ventana. Se tiene que poder hacer, porque veo ventanas duplicadas con las miniaturas de la barra de tareas. Otra solución sería conseguir que las dos pantallas fueran escritorios virtuales independientes de la misma sesión. De esta manera, podría elegir la opción ver en todos los escritorios en las ventanas que me interesan. No he conseguido ninguna de las dos opciones. ¿A alguien se le ocurre algo? Gracias, Luis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201109301427.11820.lftab...@yahoo.es
Re: clonar una ventana en Xwindows
El Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:27:11 +0200, Luis Felipe Tabera escribió: Tengo un problema que no se muy bien como resolver en un aula. Tengo un ordenador conectado a un proyector externo. Actualmente uso kde4 con debian testing. El sistema reconoce automáticamente el monitor externo y puedo trabajar con ambos monitores a la vez sin problemas. Bien clonando la imagen o con un escritorio virtual abarcando las dos pantallas. Lo que me gustaría hacer es conseguir que algunas ventanas elegidas por mi se vean en las dos pantallas y otras solo en la pantalla del ordenador. (...) No conozco nada parecido, ni siquiera para windows :-? Como haya algún plugin o extensión que permita hacer eso (clonar ventanas) para los escritorios estos espectaculares (compiz, kwin...) no se me ocurre nada. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.09.30.14.16...@gmail.com
Re: clonar una ventana en Xwindows
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Camaleón escribió: El Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:27:11 +0200, Luis Felipe Tabera escribió: Tengo un problema que no se muy bien como resolver en un aula. Tengo un ordenador conectado a un proyector externo. Actualmente uso kde4 con debian testing. El sistema reconoce automáticamente el monitor externo y puedo trabajar con ambos monitores a la vez sin problemas. Bien clonando la imagen o con un escritorio virtual abarcando las dos pantallas. Lo que me gustaría hacer es conseguir que algunas ventanas elegidas por mi se vean en las dos pantallas y otras solo en la pantalla del ordenador. (...) No conozco nada parecido, ni siquiera para windows :-? Como haya algún plugin o extensión que permita hacer eso (clonar ventanas) para los escritorios estos espectaculares (compiz, kwin...) no se me ocurre nada. Buenas Por aportar alguna idea, si no encuentras software que te permita hacer lo que buscas, la solución puede ser tener un duplicador vga ( o la conexion que use el proyector) y tener dos monitores + el proyector en escritorio extendido. Así no tienes que girar la cabeza para ver que sale en el proyector, sino que tu segundo monitor es lo mismo que sale en el proyector. Es una mala solución, pero puede valerte para no lesionarte el cuello XD. Un saludo - -- Si los tontos volaran, el cielo se oscurecería No me envié correos en formatos propietarios http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.es.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOhdL7AAoJEOWNzQnqy+fzS2kH/2KowHRbocIMpR8UtPUH+XX0 LTlEd20dHy/K6Ud9jBKNnc6Xnuu4fmeAsb3kHit0gllrHI9GQWCTqgwOHNG4PXpV C3o/pOXuef3kUH5KXtklOWZ8bDY7dZIhu/aaZJZtvVGJTRK81HKVlf4nbZelfB/b j+zG+duFONkG+94cyyhQMWGGesgXCP/ZimmSCwj8EDq3bbY0++5NSJKDX5IFxazA oxc/JqGLv51r7eEKVur2EpxBoVxbRCrFMGTQY8Sq7ZxGw0Tu/RnDbdaxx7w/rnBE B8H/QKl0YWxpZsebgWwJ8PvCxixbXogpDz1o3xt65RzOxoLinW3he27v1zPgPlo= =h7zG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/blu0-smtp406ff2af91f7652d01f0b1cb1...@phx.gbl
Re: clonar una ventana en Xwindows
El 30/09/11 09:27, Luis Felipe Tabera escribió: Hola lista, Tengo un problema que no se muy bien como resolver en un aula. Tengo un ordenador conectado a un proyector externo. Actualmente uso kde4 con debian testing. El sistema reconoce automáticamente el monitor externo y puedo trabajar con ambos monitores a la vez sin problemas. Bien clonando la imagen o con un escritorio virtual abarcando las dos pantallas. Lo que me gustaría hacer es conseguir que algunas ventanas elegidas por mi se vean en las dos pantallas y otras solo en la pantalla del ordenador. Dudo mucho que exista algo parecido :-( , lo más parecido que hago es tener un escritorio extendido en las dos pantallas y pasar las ventajas que quiero que se vean a la pantalla en el proyector, y las otras en la pantalla de la máquina. Si encuentras algo parecido, avisa que me interesaría también. :-) Saludos, Nicolás. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e85de48.3010...@gmail.com
Re: clonar una ventana en Xwindows
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nicolas escribió: El 30/09/11 09:27, Luis Felipe Tabera escribió: Hola lista, Tengo un problema que no se muy bien como resolver en un aula. Tengo un ordenador conectado a un proyector externo. Actualmente uso kde4 con debian testing. El sistema reconoce automáticamente el monitor externo y puedo trabajar con ambos monitores a la vez sin problemas. Bien clonando la imagen o con un escritorio virtual abarcando las dos pantallas. Lo que me gustaría hacer es conseguir que algunas ventanas elegidas por mi se vean en las dos pantallas y otras solo en la pantalla del ordenador. Dudo mucho que exista algo parecido :-( , lo más parecido que hago es tener un escritorio extendido en las dos pantallas y pasar las ventajas que quiero que se vean a la pantalla en el proyector, y las otras en la pantalla de la máquina. Si encuentras algo parecido, avisa que me interesaría también. :-) Saludos, Nicolás. Buenas Existe un software [1] que te permite manejar dos pcs con un solo teclado y ratón. Es tanto engorro como lo que dije antes pero puede ser una solución. La idea es tener nuestro pc normal y otro con la pantalla clonada con el segundo monitor y el proyector. Lo malo de todo esto es que son sistemas diferentes y no vas a poder hacer todo lo que comentas. [1] http://www.arturogoga.com/2007/02/09/synergy-controlando-dos-pcs-cercanas-con-un-solo-mouseteclado/ Un saludo - -- Si los tontos volaran, el cielo se oscurecería No me envié correos en formatos propietarios http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.es.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOheBXAAoJEOWNzQnqy+fzGN4H/Ax8RCpaR8cG7Sz6ltbdSNKV mKxVe0igptzibhAnwAHrNLpV8nzy0JjyCE14ChjdAmQq7Mrhomn3AKZm+It/fQcd dCwz0x8MBfiYA4+o+BDimYLFDGMJ/kIyNnwyA3M2yrCY+Z3Pm9fNuxQdTg098ejc 9ZBDJxQLwAMiqXqYmgDSbZ7TqxO7eOFx2Yh72gV6tOXOPo6yU3Sbw8Vd4ivng7j/ y2IrnSFBNGmtXMGrqSILwKqawxL7HC5Wp9JlJB1qVcq8eW192Mfg78pWVbkmtPAf QdgY6AiyD1i4eaaAcvZIc6DBH60W1GtXUE1vv/88g/TnWxmFexX6KdHiHQGGcTI= =6CNK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/blu0-smtp577bf0170c0b189f6e93deb1...@phx.gbl
Re: clonar una ventana en Xwindows
El 30/09/11 12:29, jmramirez (mas_ke_na) escribió: (...) Buenas Existe un software [1] que te permite manejar dos pcs con un solo teclado y ratón. Es tanto engorro como lo que dije antes pero puede ser una solución. La idea es tener nuestro pc normal y otro con la pantalla clonada con el segundo monitor y el proyector. Lo malo de todo esto es que son sistemas diferentes y no vas a poder hacer todo lo que comentas. [1] http://www.arturogoga.com/2007/02/09/synergy-controlando-dos-pcs-cercanas-con-un-solo-mouseteclado/ Un saludo Además de necesitar dos pcs no ? :-) Saludos, Nicolás. -- In a world without Fences and Walls, who needs Windows and Gates -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e85e1d6.5050...@gmail.com
Re: clonar una ventana en Xwindows
On Friday September 30 2011, jmramirez (mas_ke_na) mas_ke...@hotmail.com wrote: Camaleón escribió: El Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:27:11 +0200, Luis Felipe Tabera escribió: Tengo un problema que no se muy bien como resolver en un aula. Tengo un ordenador conectado a un proyector externo. Actualmente uso kde4 con debian testing. El sistema reconoce automáticamente el monitor externo y puedo trabajar con ambos monitores a la vez sin problemas. Bien clonando la imagen o con un escritorio virtual abarcando las dos pantallas. Lo que me gustaría hacer es conseguir que algunas ventanas elegidas por mi se vean en las dos pantallas y otras solo en la pantalla del ordenador. (...) No conozco nada parecido, ni siquiera para windows :-? Como haya algún plugin o extensión que permita hacer eso (clonar ventanas) para los escritorios estos espectaculares (compiz, kwin...) no se me ocurre nada. Buenas Por aportar alguna idea, si no encuentras software que te permita hacer lo que buscas, la solución puede ser tener un duplicador vga ( o la conexion que use el proyector) y tener dos monitores + el proyector en escritorio extendido. Así no tienes que girar la cabeza para ver que sale en el proyector, sino que tu segundo monitor es lo mismo que sale en el proyector. Muchas gracias a todos por vuestras ideas. La verdad es que por ejemplo en kwin + efectos de escritorio la funcionalidad está ahí, porque puedo ver dos ventanas en tiempo real (la verdadera y la miniatura) Será cosa de preguntar en foros kde y abrir un wishlist. El problema de duplicadores es que me gustaría algo que solo dependiera de mi ordenador, no de otras máquinas ni hardware. Se me ha ocurrido una solución para salir del paso. Montar un servidor vnc en el ordenador donde abro una sesión. En el monitor A abro un visor vnc y en el monitor B otro visor vnc. De esta manera puedo tener dos vistas de la misma sesión y luego, en cada visor, tener otras ventanas. no se que tal saldrá, pero creo que vale la pena intentarlo. Ya os contaré que tal funcional. Luis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201109301742.19575.lftab...@yahoo.es
Re: clonar una ventana en Xwindows
El día 30 de septiembre de 2011 17:35, Nicolas nicobevilac...@gmail.com escribió: El 30/09/11 12:29, jmramirez (mas_ke_na) escribió: (...) Buenas Existe un software [1] que te permite manejar dos pcs con un solo teclado y ratón. Es tanto engorro como lo que dije antes pero puede ser una solución. La idea es tener nuestro pc normal y otro con la pantalla clonada con el segundo monitor y el proyector. Lo malo de todo esto es que son sistemas diferentes y no vas a poder hacer todo lo que comentas. [1] http://www.arturogoga.com/2007/02/09/synergy-controlando-dos-pcs-cercanas-con-un-solo-mouseteclado/ Un saludo Además de necesitar dos pcs no ? :-) Saludos, Nicolás. -- In a world without Fences and Walls, who needs Windows and Gates Así de primeras no se me ocurre que exista una forma. Lo que si he visto es por ejemplo en Xemacs que tiene una opción para mostrar la misma ventana en dos displays distintos lo que permite a dos personas editar el mismo fichero a la vez. S2 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAGw=rhiwryi4pohw4zfdsvsz+vsxqrt16nqkbcs5mev734r...@mail.gmail.com
Widescreen resolution ignored in xwindows/gdm
I have an Acer X233H widescreen monitor and cannot get any of the 16:9 aspect resolutions up in gdm. I am using the latest 32-bit Etch binaries on a Pentium D system w/1GB RAM and an Intel 945 G/GZ on-board video controller. It comes up with 1600x1200 24 bit depth even though I have removed that from /etc/X11/xorg.conf. I only left 16:9 modes that were evenly divisible by 8 (like 1920x1080) in xorg.conf. I've played a bit with videogen to try to get a modeline entry, but it does not allow you to set lower limits and it goes below the limits a lot... Any ideas out there? Thanks, Larry Irwin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Widescreen resolution ignored in xwindows/gdm
I have an Acer X233H widescreen monitor and cannot get any of the 16:9 aspect resolutions up in gdm. I am using the latest 32-bit Etch binaries on a Pentium D system w/1GB RAM and an Intel 945 G/GZ on-board video controller. I have a Samsung widescreen lcd monitor with native 1680x1050q resolution, also use an Intel 945 on-board video controller, and never managed to get the monitor properly configured under Debian Etch after a LOT of monkeying with the XFree86 config file After upgrading to Debian Lenny using the newer minimalistic xorg.conf file the monitor was automatically configured and works fine with its native resolution Simalar story with Zenwalk 5, where I also couldn't manage to get the display properly configured with the widescreen Samsung monitor, but it was magically configured with an upgrade to Zenwalk 6 If a dist-upgrade is possible for you, it might save a bit of hair-pulling trying to configure your monitor -- Stanley C. Kitching Human Being Phoenix, Arizona -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: unable to login on the console with xwindows
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:59:36PM -0500, Michael Habashy wrote: okay..i killed gdm and went to the console prompt. I logged in and started startx. The session started fine. I do not know what the issue is? i think it is heavily related that i get the permissions error to /bin/bash. You have two problems, two threads? Makes it kinda hard for us to follow. IIRC, if something changed your /bin/bash then your box may have been compromised. On the same box, you have a program, gdm, that asks for a password and is also misbehaving. If this box is connected to the net, you may find that your password is known by someone else now. Take this seriously. If it were me, I would disconnect the box from the internet and wouldn't reconnect it until either I had proven that it wasn't compromised or I had overwritten the disk and reinstalled, and only restored from pre-troubles backup with more recent backups getting a good look (e.g. check for changed permissions). Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Desconfigurat el Xwindows
A mi em va pasar un parell de vegades. Vaig tornar a reinstalar el driver de nVidia i llestos... Tambe pots provar de cambiar el fitxer /etc/X11/XF86config per el XF86config.old que genera el driver de nvidia la primera vegada que s'executa. Canvies a init 5 i a veure que tal... Sort 2008/2/23, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hola a tothom: Auxili! Ahir estava mirant (ho juro: MIRANT, no tocant) el Nvidia-Settings i, en un momento dado, la pantalla desapareix, surt un missatge apocalíptic dient que el Xterminal s'havia desconfigurat i que no es tornaria a activar, que ho provés manualment amb altres sistemes, i bona nit i bona hora! Em va abocar al terminal Unix puro i duro i d'aquí no en surto. Algú ha tingut algun desastre semblant? Em podeu ajudar? Gràcies per endavant. Daniel
unable to login on the console with xwindows
I get the following error: Cannot start session due to some internal error. then i click on ok, i get the following error: your session lasted less then 10 seconds, this could be due to not enough diskspace or some other problems look to .xsession-errors file.. ..but i do not htink that sounds right. If i see the additional error on the screen, i get /etc/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp and utmp /etc/PreSession/Default : running /usr/bin/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x session_child_run: Could not execute /etc/gdm/Xsession default the .xsession-errors file says alot of things..but the first entries are : Xsession: X session started for root at Mon Feb 25 13:34:37 EST 2008 SESSION_MANAGER=local/rmachine:/tmp/.ICE-unix/6807 Window manager warning: Failed to read saved session file /root/.metacity/sessions/default0.ms: Failed to open file '/root/.metacity/sessions/default0.ms': No such file or directory ** Message: Not starting remote desktop server ** (gnome-panel:6868): WARNING **: Failed to establish a connection with GDM: No such file or directory XGetSelectionOwner: old version of gcin or gcin is not running ?? ... try to start a new gcin server /usr/bin/gcin gcin get env LC_CTYPE= LC_ALL= LANG=en_US.UTF-8 gcin will use UTF-8 as the default encoding load_gtab_list /usr/share/gcin/table/gtab.list -- /tmp/gcin-root/socket-:0.0-gcin connection via TCP is disabled This is my hd -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/vg_main-lv_root 493G 153G 315G 33% / tmpfs 2.0G 0 2.0G 0% /lib/init/rw udev 10M 96K 10M 1% /dev tmpfs 2.0G 0 2.0G 0% /dev/shm /dev/md0 274M 51M 209M 20% /boot /dev/mapper/vg_main-bk_data 493G 380G 89G 82% /bk_data Any ideas would be greatly appriciated. mjh
Re: unable to login on the console with xwindows
Michael Habashy wrote: I get the following error: Cannot start session due to some internal error. then i click on ok, i get the following error: your session lasted less then 10 seconds, this could be due to not enough diskspace or some other problems look to .xsession-errors file.. ..but i do not htink that sounds right. [snip errors] Add a new user and try logging in as that user from gdm. If it works, then there is something wrong with your configuration files and you can try moving them out of the way before logging in again. -- Raj Kiran Grandhi -- At the source of every error which is blamed on the computer, you will find at least two human errors, including the error of blaming it on the computer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unable to login on the console with xwindows
Hi Raj - This issue seems to be affecting a couple of other things on the server. For instance, on the xconsole screen..it lets me login and then bounces me back out. I uninstalled gdm package, i am left with kde ---when i login in with that...i get an xterm window pop up and it states the same thing : Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied I did create a new user...but nothing helps. I got the same issue. it is driving me up a wall. thanks..for any help... mjh On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Raj Kiran Grandhi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Habashy wrote: I get the following error: Cannot start session due to some internal error. then i click on ok, i get the following error: your session lasted less then 10 seconds, this could be due to not enough diskspace or some other problems look to .xsession-errors file.. ..but i do not htink that sounds right. [snip errors] Add a new user and try logging in as that user from gdm. If it works, then there is something wrong with your configuration files and you can try moving them out of the way before logging in again. -- Raj Kiran Grandhi -- At the source of every error which is blamed on the computer, you will find at least two human errors, including the error of blaming it on the computer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unable to login on the console with xwindows
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 02:08:07PM -0500, Michael Habashy wrote: I get the following error: Cannot start session due to some internal error. then i click on ok, i get the following error: your session lasted less then 10 seconds, this could be due to not enough diskspace or some other problems look to .xsession-errors file.. ..but i do not htink that sounds right. If i see the additional error on the screen, i get /etc/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp and utmp /etc/PreSession/Default : running /usr/bin/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x session_child_run: Could not execute /etc/gdm/Xsession default I'd temporarily stop xdm (I think it will be an initscript but I've never used a ?dm) which should put you without X running on VT1. Then log in to a CLI and type /usr/bin/startx. See what happens. If that works, then you know that xdm is the problem. If not, starx should give you lots of errors. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unable to login on the console with xwindows
Michael Habashy wrote: Hi Raj - This issue seems to be affecting a couple of other things on the server. For instance, on the xconsole screen..it lets me login and then bounces me back out. I uninstalled gdm package, i am left with kde ---when i login in with that...i get an xterm window pop up and it states the same thing : Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied Check the permissions of /bin/bash and fix them to 755 Also, have you considered the possibility that your machine might have been compromised? Unless, of course, you changed the permissions of bash inadvertently. I did create a new user...but nothing helps. I got the same issue. it is driving me up a wall. thanks..for any help... mjh -- Raj Kiran Grandhi -- At the source of every error which is blamed on the computer, you will find at least two human errors, including the error of blaming it on the computer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unable to login on the console with xwindows
okay..i killed gdm and went to the console prompt. I logged in and started startx. The session started fine. I do not know what the issue is? i think it is heavily related that i get the permissions error to /bin/bash. thanks mjh On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 02:08:07PM -0500, Michael Habashy wrote: I get the following error: Cannot start session due to some internal error. then i click on ok, i get the following error: your session lasted less then 10 seconds, this could be due to not enough diskspace or some other problems look to .xsession-errors file.. ..but i do not htink that sounds right. If i see the additional error on the screen, i get /etc/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp and utmp /etc/PreSession/Default : running /usr/bin/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x session_child_run: Could not execute /etc/gdm/Xsession default I'd temporarily stop xdm (I think it will be an initscript but I've never used a ?dm) which should put you without X running on VT1. Then log in to a CLI and type /usr/bin/startx. See what happens. If that works, then you know that xdm is the problem. If not, starx should give you lots of errors. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RV: Desconfigurat el Xwindows
El Saturday 23 February 2008 09:18:18 Daniel va escriure: Una pista: Quan estic al símbol de sistema del Linux, executo la següent ordre (investigada dins la maranya d'Internet): Sudo nvidia-settings I em dona: Gtk-warning**: cannot open display: Indica alguna cosa això? Pot ser que calgui engegar-lo des de l'entorn de finestres? Si és així, en KDE pots fer Alt-f2 i posar el nom del programa. _ De: Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: dissabte, 23 / febrer / 2008 08:54 Para: 'debian-user-catalan@lists.debian.org' Asunto: Desconfigurat el Xwindows Hola a tothom: Auxili! Ahir estava mirant (ho juro: MIRANT, no tocant) el Nvidia-Settings i, en un momento dado, la pantalla desapareix, surt un missatge apocalíptic dient que el Xterminal s'havia desconfigurat i que no es tornaria a activar, que ho provés manualment amb altres sistemes, i bona nit i bona hora! Em va abocar al terminal Unix puro i duro i d'aquí no en surto. Algú ha tingut algun desastre semblant? Em podeu ajudar? Gràcies per endavant. Daniel
RE: RV: Desconfigurat el Xwindows
Hola: El problema es que no consegueixo entrar dins l'entorn gràfic. Em quedo amb el símbol de sistema del terminal de text típic d'Unix i para de comptar. He intentat executar el gnome-session i em dona el mateix error. -Mensaje original- De: Xavier Batlle i Pèlach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: dissabte, 23 / febrer / 2008 10:39 Para: debian-user-catalan@lists.debian.org Asunto: Re: RV: Desconfigurat el Xwindows El Saturday 23 February 2008 09:18:18 Daniel va escriure: Una pista: Quan estic al símbol de sistema del Linux, executo la següent ordre (investigada dins la maranya d'Internet): Sudo nvidia-settings I em dona: Gtk-warning**: cannot open display: Indica alguna cosa això? Pot ser que calgui engegar-lo des de l'entorn de finestres? Si és així, en KDE pots fer Alt-f2 i posar el nom del programa. _ De: Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: dissabte, 23 / febrer / 2008 08:54 Para: 'debian-user-catalan@lists.debian.org' Asunto: Desconfigurat el Xwindows Hola a tothom: Auxili! Ahir estava mirant (ho juro: MIRANT, no tocant) el Nvidia-Settings i, en un momento dado, la pantalla desapareix, surt un missatge apocalíptic dient que el Xterminal s'havia desconfigurat i que no es tornaria a activar, que ho provés manualment amb altres sistemes, i bona nit i bona hora! Em va abocar al terminal Unix puro i duro i d'aquí no en surto. Algú ha tingut algun desastre semblant? Em podeu ajudar? Gràcies per endavant. Daniel
RE: RV: Desconfigurat el Xwindows
Hola: El problema es que no consegueixo entrar dins l'entorn gràfic. Em quedo amb el símbol de sistema del terminal de text típic d'Unix i para de comptar. He intentat executar el gnome-session i em dona el mateix error. bon dia, al simbol de consola possa-hi sent root dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i així faràs una reconfiguració del servidor d'X et farà algunes preguntes evidents, i d'altres no tant... a veure si és això. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Desconfigurat el Xwindows
Hola a tothom: Auxili! Ahir estava mirant (ho juro: MIRANT, no tocant) el Nvidia-Settings i, en un momento dado, la pantalla desapareix, surt un missatge apocalíptic dient que el Xterminal shavia desconfigurat i que no es tornaria a activar, que ho provés manualment amb altres sistemes, i bona nit i bona hora! Em va abocar al terminal Unix puro i duro i daquí no en surto. Algú ha tingut algun desastre semblant? Em podeu ajudar? Gràcies per endavant. Daniel
RE: RV: Desconfigurat el Xwindows
Es va resolent el problema. Si més no, ara ja puc treballar amb entorn gràfic des de Linux. Després d'una recerca internètica, he posat el valor '127.0.0.1:0' a la variable $DISPLAY; després d'això, engego el sistema i quan em trobo a la pantalla alfanumèrica que em demana usuari i password entro amb el meu usuari, teclejo l'ordre startx i se m'obre una pantalla gràfica des d'on puc anar treballant. En canvi, amb les mateixes condicions, l'ordre gnome-session em dona l'error del cannot open display. Ara em faltaria saber com dimonis puc automatitzar l'ordre startx per oblidar-me del tema. En quin fitxer cal entrar-la? Ho he probat a l'inittab però no va bé, l'executa com a root. Quin fitxer és el que dona les ordres d'inici dels terminals gràfics? El ds 23 de 02 del 2008 a les 11:37 +0100, en/na [EMAIL PROTECTED] va escriure: Hola: El problema es que no consegueixo entrar dins l'entorn gràfic. Em quedo amb el símbol de sistema del terminal de text típic d'Unix i para de comptar. He intentat executar el gnome-session i em dona el mateix error. bon dia, al simbol de consola possa-hi sent root dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i així faràs una reconfiguració del servidor d'X et farà algunes preguntes evidents, i d'altres no tant... a veure si és això. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RV: Desconfigurat el Xwindows
El Dissabte 23 Febrer 2008, Daniel Elias va escriure: Quin fitxer és el que dona les ordres d'inici dels terminals gràfics? Instal·la el gdm si uses GNOME o el kdm si uses KDE. Són dimonis que s'arranquen quan li toca als dimonis del nivell 2, el gràfic a can Debian: $ ls -l /etc/rc2.d/*dm lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 16 des 2006 /etc/rc2.d/S99kdm - ../init.d/kdm -- Benjamí http://blog.bitassa.cat .
Re: RV: Desconfigurat el Xwindows
A Dissabte 23 Febrer 2008, Daniel va escriure: Hola: El problema es que no consegueixo entrar dins l'entorn gràfic. Em quedo amb el símbol de sistema del terminal de text típic d'Unix i para de comptar. He intentat executar el gnome-session i em dona el mateix error. Estem igual, el gnome-session només es pot executar quan les X windows estan funcionant. Orestes.
Re: RV: Desconfigurat el Xwindows
A Dissabte 23 Febrer 2008, Daniel Elias va escriure: Es va resolent el problema. Si més no, ara ja puc treballar amb entorn gràfic des de Linux. Després d'una recerca internètica, he posat el valor '127.0.0.1:0' a la variable $DISPLAY; després d'això, engego el sistema i quan em trobo a la pantalla alfanumèrica que em demana usuari i password entro amb el meu usuari, teclejo l'ordre startx i se m'obre una pantalla gràfica des d'on puc anar treballant. En canvi, amb les mateixes condicions, l'ordre gnome-session em dona l'error del cannot open display. Ara em faltaria saber com dimonis puc automatitzar l'ordre startx per oblidar-me del tema. En quin fitxer cal entrar-la? Ho he probat a l'inittab però no va bé, l'executa com a root. Quin fitxer és el que dona les ordres d'inici dels terminals gràfics? Jo de tu no seguiria aquest camí, perquè és posar pegats que després et poden donar problemes a l'hora d'actualitzar, etc. A veure: startx és per arrencar les X de forma manual, i tu el que vols és que arrenquin de forma automàtica i et presentin una pantalla de login en mode gràfic. Si t'arrenquen les X amb startx, no veig perquè no t'han d'arrencar les X automàticament. Fes una cosa: des del terminal del sistema, fes-te root (amb l'ordre su) i llavors executa el següent: /etc/init.d/gdm restart Això t'hauria de portar a un login gràfic. Pots commutar entre l'entorn gràfic i la consola amb Alt+Ctrl+F1 i Alt+Ctrl+F7. En funció del resultat, fes el següent: A) En cas que NO t'engegui l'entorn gràfic, cal veure perquè. Una molt bona pista la donen els logs de les X, o sia que escriu un altre missatge a la llista adjuntant el fitxer /var/log/Xorg.0.log B) En cas que SI t'engegui l'entorn gràfic, aleshores cal fer-ho permanent (per algun motiu se t'haurà desconfigurat). Com obre un terminal (o ves al d'abans), fes-te root (si no ho ets ja) i tecleja: update-rc.d gdm defaults En principi, això hauria d'arreglar el problema. Si no és així, torna a escriure. Salut. Orestes. A veure,
going from Xwindows to console
Hello; I've installed Debian 4.1 and would like to know how to drop out of Xwindows into a console display. It seems to be different from distro to distro. I tried F1, F2, etc; command F1, F2, etc; alt F1, F2, etc shift F1, F2, etc control F1, F2, etc. So what is the magic incantation on Debian? Xwindows usually runs on tty7or tty8 as I recall from Mandrake and Yellow Dog. And it is accessed via F7 or F8. Another question, I have installed without the installation process contacting a mirror site. The machine is on local net and I have had another machine function as an http proxy but disabled the proxy function because someone discovered I was running a proxy for outbound net traffic and was using it to bounce request and tie up my network connection (static ips). So, now if I want to install software from the cds, I assume I need a public net connection. Is that a correct assumption? I can hook it up to a public ip address directly just for the sake of software installation, BUT I would rather not. Does Debian use tcpwrappers? Thanks in advance; Jeff K -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: going from Xwindows to console
- Original Message - From: jekillen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 6:28 PM Subject: going from Xwindows to console Hello; I've installed Debian 4.1 and would like to know how to drop out of Xwindows into a console display. It seems to be different from distro to distro. I tried F1, F2, etc; command F1, F2, etc; alt F1, F2, etc shift F1, F2, etc control F1, F2, etc. So what is the magic incantation on Debian? Xwindows usually runs on tty7or tty8 as I recall from Mandrake and Yellow Dog. And it is accessed via F7 or F8. CTL-ALT-F1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: going from Xwindows to console
On 10/7/07, jekillen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello; I've installed Debian 4.1 and would like to know how to drop out of Xwindows into a console display. It seems to be different from distro to distro. I tried F1, F2, etc; command F1, F2, etc; alt F1, F2, etc shift F1, F2, etc control F1, F2, etc. So what is the magic incantation on Debian? Xwindows usually runs on tty7or tty8 as I recall from Mandrake and Yellow Dog. And it is accessed via F7 or F8. In X it is ctrl-alt-F?. On the consoles it is just alt-F? X is on F7 Another question, I have installed without the installation process contacting a mirror site. The machine is on local net and I have had another machine function as an http proxy but disabled the proxy function because someone discovered I was running a proxy for outbound net traffic and was using it to bounce request and tie up my network connection (static ips). It should be possible to make the proxy work only for your internal network. So, now if I want to install software from the cds, I assume I need a public net connection. Is that a correct assumption? You can install software from the CDs without any network at all. I can hook it up to a public ip address directly just for the sake of software installation, BUT I would rather not. Does Debian use tcpwrappers? I don't know if it does by default, but the package is certainly in the repo as libwrap and tcpd. Cheers, Kelly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(solucionado el arranque de las Xwindows, explico como) Re: Problema con aceleración 3D (II) (continúa)
2006/10/6, ChEnChO [EMAIL PROTECTED]: El 6/10/06, JCV[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Hola chicos, 2006/10/5, ChEnChO [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Manda el xorg.conf y el log del servidor. -- ... may the source be with you...-- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] continúo probando instalando y configurando cosas para poder tener las X hasta que tb he reinstalado gnome-session etc... y sin ningún fruto, me sale pantalla azul con el botón de YES NO. ¿Alguien me puede dar pistas? antes de reinstalar todo por supuesto...a ver, según veo eso, y en mi caso con un kernel compilado por mi, losiguiente funciona: modprobe radeon (notese que es en minúsculas)y en el xorg.conf, el driver que cargo es radeonDriver radeonpero como cada pc es un mundo... en fin.. que si ya no funciona conesto, me pasas la ip, tu pass de user, la de root y habilitas el ssh y miro in situ :P--... may the source be with you...Hola gente, he conseguido recuperar mis X (por mas que reinstalaba drivers de ati, mesa, desisntalaba y reiniciaba y probaba etc...) este fue el unico comando salvador: # dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorgLa salida de:# modprobe radeon# es nula... y continúo sin XGL y sin direct rendearing...Chencho, muchas gracias por tu ayuda, no me importaría en absoluto esa posibilidad del ssh (lo he hecho otras veces con otros amigos míos) pero primero me quiero pegar yo hasta que vea que no pueda mas... trato de no molestar agradeciendo la ayuda que ya estáis prestando, al menos, ya he recuperado la configuración básica de las X ;) Saludos y hasta pronto (x desgracia)Víctor.
Re: Xwindows and Emacs
Am 2006-07-02 16:27:49, schrieb Paul E Condon: Long ago, I was a RedHat user. When I moved to Debian, I kept a copy of a file, .Xresources, that made Emacs display under X in a way that I liked. Now in trying to use Etch, I discover that the file doesn't work quite the way I want under xserver-xorg. I want to tweek it, but mkdir ~/.Xresources cp .Xresources ~/.Xresources/emacs emacs*font: fixed or echo emacs*font: fixed ~/.Xresources/emacs Greetings Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xwindows and Emacs
Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Long ago, I was a RedHat user. When I moved to Debian, I kept a copy of a file, .Xresources, that made Emacs display under X in a way that I liked. Now in trying to use Etch, I discover that the file doesn't work quite the way I want under xserver-xorg. I want to tweek it, but can't find docs that address my questions in a way that I recognize. I think my main issue is with the line: emacs*font: fixed See if you have an app called xfontsel. It's a GUI point and click interface to fonts. Note the spc column. For terminal fonts, c and m apply. p is for proportional fonts, and don't work well in terminal based apps. fixed is defined by the X Window system as the fallback default non-proportional (aka. fixed) spacing font, but there's many others to choose from. Fiddling with xfontsel for a bit will teach you a lot about this. When you find a font you want to try, you can either define it in ~/.Xresources then run xrdb -merge .Xresources or just run emacs supplying the font's name on the command line (-fn|-font). -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html Spammers! http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling/emails.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xwindows and Emacs
On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 01:47:04PM +, s. keeling wrote: Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Long ago, I was a RedHat user. When I moved to Debian, I kept a copy of a file, .Xresources, that made Emacs display under X in a way that I liked. Now in trying to use Etch, I discover that the file doesn't work quite the way I want under xserver-xorg. I want to tweek it, but can't find docs that address my questions in a way that I recognize. I think my main issue is with the line: emacs*font: fixed See if you have an app called xfontsel. It's a GUI point and click interface to fonts. Note the spc column. For terminal fonts, c and m apply. p is for proportional fonts, and don't work well in terminal based apps. fixed is defined by the X Window system as the fallback default non-proportional (aka. fixed) spacing font, but there's many others to choose from. Fiddling with xfontsel for a bit will teach you a lot about this. This description of fixed is very helpful. I had thought it had to be something like what you describe, but I haven't found any explanation by googling. My adventure began when I noticed that fixed provided a different font under xorg from the one I have been getting under xfree. From this, I conclude it is implementation dependent. I'd like to find where this default is set in xfree, and simply copy what is there into my xorg resources. It seems to me a better way to get what I want than searching vast libraries of weird fonts with my limited search skills. But there is something incomplete about your explanation: when I don't but the magic line into my resources, I still get a monospace font in emacs windows, but it is a different one. So there appear to be two defaults, the fixed one and the nil one. Do you happen to know where the nil one is defined? Might that be in emacs? Thanks, again. -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xwindows and Emacs, fix typo
On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 12:18:35PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 01:47:04PM +, s. keeling wrote: Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Long ago, I was a RedHat user. When I moved to Debian, I kept a copy of a file, .Xresources, that made Emacs display under X in a way that I liked. Now in trying to use Etch, I discover that the file doesn't work quite the way I want under xserver-xorg. I want to tweek it, but can't find docs that address my questions in a way that I recognize. I think my main issue is with the line: emacs*font: fixed See if you have an app called xfontsel. It's a GUI point and click interface to fonts. Note the spc column. For terminal fonts, c and m apply. p is for proportional fonts, and don't work well in terminal based apps. fixed is defined by the X Window system as the fallback default non-proportional (aka. fixed) spacing font, but there's many others to choose from. Fiddling with xfontsel for a bit will teach you a lot about this. This description of fixed is very helpful. I had thought it had to be something like what you describe, but I haven't found any explanation by googling. My adventure began when I noticed that fixed provided a different font under xorg from the one I have been getting under xfree. From this, I conclude it is implementation dependent. I'd like to find where this default is set in xfree, and simply copy what is there into my xorg resources. It seems to me a better way to get what I want than searching vast libraries of weird fonts with my limited search skills. But there is something incomplete about your explanation: when I don't put the magic line into my resources, I still get a monospace font in ^ emacs windows, but it is a different one. So there appear to be two defaults, the fixed one and the nil one. Do you happen to know where ^^^ Oops! It turns out 'nil' is a non-empty attribute specification key word in X fonts. I don't know what it means in the X windows context, but whatever it is, that isn't what I intended in this email. the nil one is defined? Might that be in emacs? Thanks, again. Also, as expected, I am, indeed, having some difficulty matching the xfree definition of fixed by searching in xfontsel. Part of the appeal of open software is the possibility of having it do what you want, not what some focus group has led some marketers to believe you want. Its a wonderful promise, but ... -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xwindows and Emacs
On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 02:18:35PM EDT, Paul E Condon wrote: [..] But there is something incomplete about your explanation: when I don't but the magic line into my resources, I still get a monospace font in emacs windows, but it is a different one. So there appear to be two defaults, the fixed one and the nil one. Do you happen to know where the nil one is defined? Might that be in emacs? Take a peek at: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.alias .. that's with XFree.. you may have to look in a different place with xorg.. HTH Thanks, cga -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xwindows and Emacs
Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 01:47:04PM +, s. keeling wrote: Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: emacs*font: fixed See if you have an app called xfontsel. It's a GUI point and click interface to fonts. Note the spc column. For terminal fonts, c and m apply. p is for proportional fonts, and don't work well in fixed is defined by the X Window system as the fallback default non-proportional (aka. fixed) spacing font, but there's many others to My adventure began when I noticed that fixed provided a different font under xorg from the one I have been getting under xfree. From Well, first understand that we've pretty much plumbed the depths of my knowledge of font lower levels. However, here's a couple that I have left. You can get the same sort of strange behaviour by rearranging the order of the FontPath lines in your X config file. I have: FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi What does the /:unscaled mean? What happens when you put the 75dpi lines before the 100dpi lines? What happens when you go from the above defining fonts for X, to something like xfs (X Font Server) defining fonts for X? I thought a font was a simple matrix bitmap defining pixels to turn on or off or shade or colorize. Smiple. No, beyond that little matrix is a vast array of fantastically specialized machinery that does magical things with that little matrix. BTW: Emacs*font: -bh-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-10-100-75-75-m-60-iso8859-1 Pretty. :-) -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html Spammers! http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling/emails.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xwindows and Emacs
On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 04:41:33PM -0400, cga2000 wrote: On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 02:18:35PM EDT, Paul E Condon wrote: [..] But there is something incomplete about your explanation: when I don't but the magic line into my resources, I still get a monospace font in emacs windows, but it is a different one. So there appear to be two defaults, the fixed one and the nil one. Do you happen to know where the nil one is defined? Might that be in emacs? Take a peek at: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.alias .. that's with XFree.. you may have to look in a different place with xorg.. This is exactly what I wanted to learn! Thanks. And I'll do a find on fonts.alias the next time I boot Etch. -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xwindows and Emacs
On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 01:37:31AM +, s. keeling wrote: Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 01:47:04PM +, s. keeling wrote: Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: emacs*font: fixed See if you have an app called xfontsel. It's a GUI point and click interface to fonts. Note the spc column. For terminal fonts, c and m apply. p is for proportional fonts, and don't work well in fixed is defined by the X Window system as the fallback default non-proportional (aka. fixed) spacing font, but there's many others to My adventure began when I noticed that fixed provided a different font under xorg from the one I have been getting under xfree. From Well, first understand that we've pretty much plumbed the depths of my knowledge of font lower levels. However, here's a couple that I have left. You can get the same sort of strange behaviour by rearranging the order of the FontPath lines in your X config file. I have: FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi What does the /:unscaled mean? What happens when you put the 75dpi lines before the 100dpi lines? What happens when you go from the above defining fonts for X, to something like xfs (X Font Server) defining fonts for X? I thought a font was a simple matrix bitmap defining pixels to turn on or off or shade or colorize. Smiple. No, beyond that little matrix is a vast array of fantastically specialized machinery that does magical things with that little matrix. BTW: Emacs*font: -bh-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-10-100-75-75-m-60-iso8859-1 I like it! And I think I need to stop searching for my perfect emacs font and do some useful work. Thanks to all, I've learned a lot. -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xwindows and Emacs
Did you take a look into the emacs info pages or the text file /usr/share/emacs/21.4/etc/DOC-21.4 (depending on your emacs version)? I use a line like emacs*Font: 7x13 in my .Xdefaults file. Regards, Jörg-Volker. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Xwindows and Emacs
Long ago, I was a RedHat user. When I moved to Debian, I kept a copy of a file, .Xresources, that made Emacs display under X in a way that I liked. Now in trying to use Etch, I discover that the file doesn't work quite the way I want under xserver-xorg. I want to tweek it, but can't find docs that address my questions in a way that I recognize. I think my main issue is with the line: emacs*font: fixed This is used in a lot of X config files that are published on the web, but I can't find any information about what its actually intended to do. For me, it changes the size of the font that is used to display the text being editted. Without this line the size is bigish, with this line it is smaller by two or three points. In Etch, with this line, the text is also in condensed type, that is the letters are scrunched together so as to fit more letters in a given space. So, there appear to be default font selections set up somewhere and this line switches among them. Where are these defaults set up? In both xorg and in xfree? Where can I find an explanation of the value 'fixed' in this context? What other values are accepted in this line? What do the other values do? Etc.? -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xwindows and Emacs
Hi Paul $ man xrdb can help you. $ xrdb -query $ xrdb -load file_contains_resources are good starts. Regards, Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Long ago, I was a RedHat user. When I moved to Debian, I kept a copy of a file, .Xresources, that made Emacs display under X in a way that I liked. Now in trying to use Etch, I discover that the file doesn't work quite the way I want under xserver-xorg. I want to tweek it, but can't find docs that address my questions in a way that I recognize. I think my main issue is with the line: emacs*font: fixed This is used in a lot of X config files that are published on the web, but I can't find any information about what its actually intended to do. For me, it changes the size of the font that is used to display the text being editted. Without this line the size is bigish, with this line it is smaller by two or three points. In Etch, with this line, the text is also in condensed type, that is the letters are scrunched together so as to fit more letters in a given space. So, there appear to be default font selections set up somewhere and this line switches among them. Where are these defaults set up? In both xorg and in xfree? Where can I find an explanation of the value 'fixed' in this context? What other values are accepted in this line? What do the other values do? Etc.? -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Marcio Roberto Teixeira chave pública: hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net http://marciotex.googlepages.com/keypub_8709626B.asc página pessoal (em construção): http://marciotex.googlepages.com Usuário tchê Debian/GNULinux Porto Alegre - RS - Brasil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: AMD64 y XWindows -- No Screens Found
hola, llevo no se cuantas horas probando varias cosas sin ningún éxito. Como el compañero decía que Debian a pasado la distro AMD64 a testing, he probado a instalarme las xorg haber si conseguia hacer algo bueno pero no hay manera. en el source.list tego -- ftp://ftp.es.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free pero no me sirve de mucho por que me encuentra los paquetes: xserver-xorg-video-loquesea... xserver-xorg-input-loquesea... etc pero no estan ni: xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-input-all etc... curioso no son obligatorios, pero facilitan la instalacion de las xorg. Si te instalas a mano el x11-common, el xserver-xorg-video de tu tarjeta de video, los xserver-xorg-input xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse y algun paquete de fuentes deberia funcionar. Este problema deberia ser solo temporal, hasta que todos los mirrors tengan todos los paquetes, pero si tu mirror no esta actualizado del todo te pasan cosas como esta... (lo curioso es que yo tengo el mismo mirror y a mi me ha ido perfectamente). que parece que son necesarios. Buscando por la google he encontrado una web de Debian donde tu le indicas el paquete que buscas y te muestra un listado de las dependencias con otros paquetes y como bajarlos por FTP. Con esto me he dado cuenta de ke tambien faltan un montón de librerias con las que tiene dependencias como libc6, libfontec1, etc... y a la vez dependen ya las instalara apt solo. La pagina que dices me imagino que es packages.debian.org muy util la verdad. de otras... y esto es un no parar de dependencias y dolor de cabeza que uno se ahorra con APT. no hay una forma de bajarse los paquetes con sus dependencias?? en una web he visto un repositorio pero parece que ya no funciona, es este: deb http://freedesktop.org/~jamey/debian testing main Es muy viejo... he encontrado otra web con un manual que cuenta como compilarse uno mismo las xorg, pero el mismo autor dice algo así como es una chapuza pero funciona... y la verdad es ke eso ya no anima mucho a probarlo. http://www.badopi.org/node/523 Lo escribi hace dos anyos... ni se te ocurra seguir los pasos que se comentan. Como bien dije, era una chapuza para poder compilar tu xorg y que el sistema de paquetes de debian no se entrometiese ni se volviese loco. Hoy han cambiado muchas cosas y ya no funcionaria. Sin contar que no tengo ni idea de como compliar cualquier cosa... Ya se que hay que ser positivo y todo eso, pero sin saber compilar, probarlo por primera vez con algo que se define públicamente como chapuza, me da a mi que tiene pocas posibilidades de éxito, je je je Compilar es facil (suelen ser siempre los mismos tres comandos: ./configure, make, make install), pero el problema es la parte de enganyar al sistema de paquetes de debian... Total, como no soy capaz de encontrar algo decente. Haber si con vuestra sabiduria me podeis ayudar Prueba a instalar a mano los paquetes que te he mencionado, recuerda instalar un par de paquetes de fuentes (xfonts-base al menos). Saludos y suerte Aritz Beraza [Rei] -- Aritz Beraza Garayalde [Rei] [http://www.ayanami.es] - No enviarás correos en HTML a La Lista. - No harás top-posting, responderás siempre debajo del mail original. - No harás Fwd, a La Lista, siempre reply. pgpVqU7WM7fRh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Fwd: AMD64 y XWindows -- No Screens Found
2006/5/6, Aritz Beraza Garayalde [Rei] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: El Viernes, 5 de Mayo de 2006 15:09, charlie parker escribió: TEngo un AMD64 3200+ con una ATI Radeon 9550. El chipset de la placa Base es NVidia. 1.- Primero instalé la versión etzh con una iso amd64 de netinst. Instaló todo bien y arrancó con el entrono gráfico a la primera sin mas problemas. Pero cuando intentaba instalar cualquier cosa, siempre tenía problemas de dependencias y no paraba de salir el mensaje de que lo encontraba pero no se instalará... Así que decidí quitar esa instalación ya que era demasiado nivel para mí. Debian ADM64 acaba de migrar a los servidores oficiales, mira tu /etc/apt/sources.list deberías tener una linea como esta: deb ftp://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free (testing == etch) 2.- Me bajé la iso de amd64 Testing. Se instaló todo correctamente, pero no va el entorno gráfico. He probado con dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 pero sigue sin funcionar. He probado a modificar manualmente el archivo /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 pero tampoco. El mensaje de error dice: prueba mejor con xorg (EE) No Devices detected Fatal Server Error: no screens found configura correctamente las frecuencias de refresco horizontal y vertical del monitor (tras el dpkg-reconfigure, hacia el final, cuando te pide por configurar el monitor, selecciona el modo advanced y allí las podras poner. Al ejecutar lspci la tarjeta está en :05:0.0 y :05:0.1 ya que tiene salida para monitor y televisor. La tarjeta está en la interrupción 5 según el sistema y según la BIOS. Al ejecutar dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, el asistente dice que hay que poner el BusID de la tarjeta en decimal, pero no tengo ni idea de como dale a enter, el solo lo autodetecta si dejas esto en blanco poner eso, a lo mas que llego es a saber que se encuentra en PCI:05:00:0...He probado a poner un montón de combinaciones pero ...nada. Como le puedo indicar donde está la screen? He visto que recomendaban usar Xorg en lugar de Xfree86 porque dice que Xfree86 está obsoleto. Por que está obsoleto. Por lo que pude averiguar Debian ha modificado el servidor Xfree86 y parece que lo usa por default. En stable se sigue usando xfree, pero piensa que lleva años sin actualizarse xfree (la versión con licencia libre), así que no tiene drivers actuales ni nada (posiblemente tu radeon no este soportada). Xorg lleva disponible bastante tiempo en debian (en testing de momento es una alternativa, pero me imagino que enseguida lo quitarán. Saludos Aritz Beraza [Rei] -- Aritz Beraza Garayalde [Rei] [http://www.ayanami.es] - No enviarás correos en HTML a La Lista. - No harás top-posting, responderás siempre debajo del mail original. - No harás Fwd, a La Lista, siempre reply. ke tal, como he leido los 3 mandamientos de las líneas de arriba, lo pongo acontinuación ;-): hola, llevo no se cuantas horas probando varias cosas sin ningún éxito. Como el compañero decía que Debian a pasado la distro AMD64 a testing, he probado a instalarme las xorg haber si conseguia hacer algo bueno pero no hay manera. en el source.list tego -- ftp://ftp.es.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free pero no me sirve de mucho por que me encuentra los paquetes: xserver-xorg-video-loquesea... xserver-xorg-input-loquesea... etc pero no estan ni: xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-input-all etc... que parece que son necesarios. Buscando por la google he encontrado una web de Debian donde tu le indicas el paquete que buscas y te muestra un listado de las dependencias con otros paquetes y como bajarlos por FTP. Con esto me he dado cuenta de ke tambien faltan un montón de librerias con las que tiene dependencias como libc6, libfontec1, etc... y a la vez dependen de otras... y esto es un no parar de dependencias y dolor de cabeza que uno se ahorra con APT. no hay una forma de bajarse los paquetes con sus dependencias?? en una web he visto un repositorio pero parece que ya no funciona, es este: deb http://freedesktop.org/~jamey/debian testing main he encontrado otra web con un manual que cuenta como compilarse uno mismo las xorg, pero el mismo autor dice algo así como es una chapuza pero funciona... y la verdad es ke eso ya no anima mucho a probarlo. Sin contar que no tengo ni idea de como compliar cualquier cosa... Ya se que hay que ser positivo y todo eso, pero sin saber compilar, probarlo por primera vez con algo que se define públicamente como chapuza, me da a mi que tiene pocas posibilidades de éxito, je je je Total, como no soy capaz de encontrar algo decente. Haber si con vuestra sabiduria me podeis ayudar un saludo a todos
Fwd: AMD64 y XWindows -- No Screens Found
TEngo un AMD64 3200+ con una ATI Radeon 9550. El chipset de la placa Base es NVidia. 1.- Primero instalé la versión etzh con una iso amd64 de netinst. Instaló todo bien y arrancó con el entrono gráfico a la primera sin mas problemas. Pero cuando intentaba instalar cualquier cosa, siempre tenía problemas de dependencias y no paraba de salir el mensaje de que lo encontraba pero no se instalará... Así que decidí quitar esa instalación ya que era demasiado nivel para mí. 2.- Me bajé la iso de amd64 Testing. Se instaló todo correctamente, pero no va el entorno gráfico. He probado con dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 pero sigue sin funcionar. He probado a modificar manualmente el archivo /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 pero tampoco. El mensaje de error dice: (EE) No Devices detected Fatal Server Error: no screens found Al ejecutar lspci la tarjeta está en :05:0.0 y :05:0.1 ya que tiene salida para monitor y televisor. La tarjeta está en la interrupción 5 según el sistema y según la BIOS. Al ejecutar dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, el asistente dice que hay que poner el BusID de la tarjeta en decimal, pero no tengo ni idea de como poner eso, a lo mas que llego es a saber que se encuentra en PCI:05:00:0...He probado a poner un montón de combinaciones pero ...nada. Como le puedo indicar donde está la screen? He visto que recomendaban usar Xorg en lugar de Xfree86 porque dice que Xfree86 está obsoleto. Por que está obsoleto. Por lo que pude averiguar Debian ha modificado el servidor Xfree86 y parece que lo usa por default. espero que me podais aclarar alguna cosa, gracias birdeb.
Re: Fwd: AMD64 y XWindows -- No Screens Found
On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 05:09:52PM +0200, charlie parker wrote: (EE) No Devices detected Fatal Server Error: no screens found Fijate en los errores que vienen antes. Todos los errores llevan (EE) delante. gracias De nada. Salu2 -- Las autoridades sanitarias advierten que usar software privativo es perjudicial para su maquina. Sé libre. Usa GNU/Linux. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: AMD64 y XWindows -- No Screens Found
El Viernes, 5 de Mayo de 2006 15:09, charlie parker escribió: TEngo un AMD64 3200+ con una ATI Radeon 9550. El chipset de la placa Base es NVidia. 1.- Primero instalé la versión etzh con una iso amd64 de netinst. Instaló todo bien y arrancó con el entrono gráfico a la primera sin mas problemas. Pero cuando intentaba instalar cualquier cosa, siempre tenía problemas de dependencias y no paraba de salir el mensaje de que lo encontraba pero no se instalará... Así que decidí quitar esa instalación ya que era demasiado nivel para mí. Debian ADM64 acaba de migrar a los servidores oficiales, mira tu /etc/apt/sources.list deberías tener una linea como esta: deb ftp://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free (testing == etch) 2.- Me bajé la iso de amd64 Testing. Se instaló todo correctamente, pero no va el entorno gráfico. He probado con dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 pero sigue sin funcionar. He probado a modificar manualmente el archivo /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 pero tampoco. El mensaje de error dice: prueba mejor con xorg (EE) No Devices detected Fatal Server Error: no screens found configura correctamente las frecuencias de refresco horizontal y vertical del monitor (tras el dpkg-reconfigure, hacia el final, cuando te pide por configurar el monitor, selecciona el modo advanced y allí las podras poner. Al ejecutar lspci la tarjeta está en :05:0.0 y :05:0.1 ya que tiene salida para monitor y televisor. La tarjeta está en la interrupción 5 según el sistema y según la BIOS. Al ejecutar dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, el asistente dice que hay que poner el BusID de la tarjeta en decimal, pero no tengo ni idea de como dale a enter, el solo lo autodetecta si dejas esto en blanco poner eso, a lo mas que llego es a saber que se encuentra en PCI:05:00:0...He probado a poner un montón de combinaciones pero ...nada. Como le puedo indicar donde está la screen? He visto que recomendaban usar Xorg en lugar de Xfree86 porque dice que Xfree86 está obsoleto. Por que está obsoleto. Por lo que pude averiguar Debian ha modificado el servidor Xfree86 y parece que lo usa por default. En stable se sigue usando xfree, pero piensa que lleva años sin actualizarse xfree (la versión con licencia libre), así que no tiene drivers actuales ni nada (posiblemente tu radeon no este soportada). Xorg lleva disponible bastante tiempo en debian (en testing de momento es una alternativa, pero me imagino que enseguida lo quitarán. Saludos Aritz Beraza [Rei] -- Aritz Beraza Garayalde [Rei] [http://www.ayanami.es] - No enviarás correos en HTML a La Lista. - No harás top-posting, responderás siempre debajo del mail original. - No harás Fwd, a La Lista, siempre reply. pgpX0PY1Y0AQQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Configuration de xwindows à l'installation.
Bonjour, Je me suis essayé à Mandrake, je n'ai pas de repproche à lui faire si ce n'est de nouvelles distributions à ne plus savoir qu'en faire. J'ai essayé d'installer la sarge mais à la fin de l'installation je me suis retrouvé avec un écran en 640/480 je ne vous dit que cela j'ai une carte ati radéon rv280 5964 et un moniteur medion tft 21 je voudrais essayer de réinstaller la sarge mais avant je voudrais savoir comment faire pour configurer convenablement le graphique à l'installation. Je tiens à vous préciser que je suis nul en informatique Merci pour votre aide Daniel -- Pensez � lire la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Pensez � rajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Configuration de xwindows à l'installation.
Le dimanche 25 septembre 2005 à 11:44 +0200, Daniel Gois a écrit : Bonjour, Bonjour, Je me suis essayé à Mandrake, je n'ai pas de repproche à lui faire si ce n'est de nouvelles distributions à ne plus savoir qu'en faire. J'ai essayé d'installer la sarge mais à la fin de l'installation je me suis retrouvé avec un écran en 640/480 je ne vous dit que cela j'ai une carte ati radéon rv280 5964 et un moniteur medion tft 21 je voudrais essayer de réinstaller la sarge mais avant je voudrais savoir comment faire pour configurer convenablement le graphique à l'installation. Je tiens à vous préciser que je suis nul en informatique Merci pour votre aide Daniel Vois de ce côté ci : http://jmichau.free.fr/sarge_netinst/index.html Où il est expliqué que l'installation se fait sans le mode graphique, tu le configure après. Bonne chance. Yan. -- Pensez à lire la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Pensez à rajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Configuration de xwindows à l'installation.
Le 25.09.2005 11:44:41, Daniel Gois a écrit : Bonjour, C'st xwindow, sans 's' à la fin. Je me suis essayé à Mandrake, je n'ai pas de repproche à lui faire si ce n'est de nouvelles distributions à ne plus savoir qu'en faire. J'ai essayé d'installer la sarge mais à la fin de l'installation je me suis retrouvé avec un écran en 640/480 je ne vous dit que cela j'ai une carte ati radéon rv280 5964 et un moniteur medion tft 21 je voudrais essayer de réinstaller la sarge mais avant je voudrais savoir comment faire pour configurer convenablement le graphique à l'installation. Il n'est sans doute pas nécessaire de refaire une installation pour modifier la résolution d'un écran... dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 devrait vous permettre d'avoir le questionnaire gconf et d'entrer les paramètres correspondant à votre carte graphique et à votre écran. Pour que cette commande modifie votre fichier de configuration (:etc/X11/XF86Config-4), il faut que vous ne l'ayez pas modifié vous-même auparavant. Je tiens à vous préciser que je suis nul en informatique Ça n'a rien à voir : ce n'est pas de l'informatique :) Merci pour votre aide Daniel Jean-Luc pgpLIpbTRGX0s.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Configuration de xwindows à l'installation.
Le dimanche 25 septembre 2005 à 10:59 +, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) a écrit : Le 25.09.2005 11:44:41, Daniel Gois a écrit : Bonjour, C'st xwindow, sans 's' à la fin. Merci je vais me corriger Je me suis essayé à Mandrake, je n'ai pas de repproche à lui faire si ce n'est de nouvelles distributions à ne plus savoir qu'en faire. J'ai essayé d'installer la sarge mais à la fin de l'installation je me suis retrouvé avec un écran en 640/480 je ne vous dit que cela j'ai une carte ati radéon rv280 5964 et un moniteur medion tft 21 je voudrais essayer de réinstaller la sarge mais avant je voudrais savoir comment faire pour configurer convenablement le graphique à l'installation. Il n'est sans doute pas nécessaire de refaire une installation pour modifier la résolution d'un écran... dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 devrait vous permettre d'avoir le questionnaire gconf et d'entrer les paramètres correspondant à votre carte graphique et à votre écran. Pour que cette commande modifie votre fichier de configuration (:etc/X11/XF86Config-4), il faut que vous ne l'ayez pas modifié vous-même auparavant. Merci pour votre aide, Je vais réinstaller la sarge je vous tiendrai au courant Daniel -- Pensez � lire la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Pensez � rajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xwindows
On Thu, May 12, 2005 at 06:04:51PM -0700, asc wrote: I can't get this to start it has a failure. How do I reconfigure this? as root: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 You also have to reset the md5sum of /etc/X11/XF86config-4, see the header of this file for details. Wackojacko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xwindows
On Friday 13 May 2005 10:48, Wackojacko wrote: You also have to reset the md5sum of /etc/X11/XF86config-4, see the header of this file for details. Can't you just delete the config file and re-run dpkg-reconfigure? I think that has worked for me in the past, but maybe I imagined it :) The md5 approach seems overly complicated to reconfigure a file :) -- Lee. Please send replies to the list, not to my email address. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xwindows
Can't you just delete the config file and re-run dpkg-reconfigure? I think that has worked for me in the past, but maybe I imagined it :) Not sure, I am noob myself so I might try this next time. The md5 approach seems overly complicated to reconfigure a file :) Couldn't agree more:) You do have to rename the original file so as not to overwrite it, so I would have thought this was the same as deleting it. I do like to keep a copy of the original as it invariably has to be tweaked after running dpkg-reconfigure, in my case anyway. Wackojacko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
xwindows
I can't get this to start it has a failure. How do I reconfigure this? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xwindows
On Thu, May 12, 2005 at 06:04:51PM -0700, asc wrote: I can't get this to start it has a failure. How do I reconfigure this? as root: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 also look at /var/log/XFree86.0.log for errors look for lines beginning with (WW) for warnings and more importantly (EE) for errors If you cannot get it fixed, post those errors to this list. -- Angelina Carlton -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xwindows no arranca al inicio
On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 07:24:29PM -0600, Cesar Munoz Palomino wrote: Hace unos días instalé debian sarge, parece ser que por default no instala o mejor dicho, no configura el arranque para iniciar en modo gráfico, pregunté en este foro el por qué no funcionaba en el entorno gráfico, me dieron varias respuestas (Gracias a todos) pero ninguna funcionó :( después investigué y descubrí el comando startx y funcionó!!!, mis preguntas son ¿cómo puedo hacer para que funcione desde el principio el modo gráfico, incluyendo el login? y segundo por default sarge deja gnome pero a mi realmente me gusta KDE, ¿Cómo puedo cambiarlo? Olá. Si, startx inicia el servidor X. Ahora para que despues de iniciar aparezca em modo grafico com login y demás (y ya que te gusta KDE), instala 'kdm' (apt-get install kdm) y todo listo. Gracias. Nada. Xau! -- Porqué loitar e matar, se podes amar e sonhar /\ \ / CAMPANHA DA FITA ASCII - CONTRA MAIL HTML X ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL / \
Re: Xwindows no arranca al inicio
apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 apt-get install xserver-xfree86 (or o pone dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. y dile no al framebutter
Xwindows no arranca al inicio
Hace unos días instalé debian sarge, parece ser que por default no instala o mejor dicho, no configura el arranque para iniciar en modo gráfico, pregunté en este foro el por qué no funcionaba en el entorno gráfico, me dieron varias respuestas (Gracias a todos) pero ninguna funcionó :( después investigué y descubrí el comando startx y funcionó!!!, mis preguntas son ¿cómo puedo hacer para que funcione desde el principio el modo gráfico, incluyendo el login? y segundo por default sarge deja gnome pero a mi realmente me gusta KDE, ¿Cómo puedo cambiarlo? Gracias.
Re: Xwindows no arranca al inicio
Bien, pues tienes 2 opciones, o configuras el gestor por defecto 'xdm' para que te inicie por defecto el entorno grfico que tu quieras... o si no quieres 'complicarte la vida' (entrecomillo porque no es muy difcil hacer eso)... puedes instalar los login manager de gnome (gdm) o el de kde (kdm)... cualquiera de ellos te permitir arrancar cualquier entorno grfico o sistema de ventanas que tengas instalado. Si te gusta KDE, para ir acorde con l (aunque repito que no es una regla estricta) puedes instalar kdm con: # apt-get install kdm Durante la configuracin, te preguntar qu login manager quieres que gestione tu arranque.. indcale que 'kmd'... y la prxima vez que reinicies las X, tendrs el entorno grfico funcionando. Salu2 y suerte On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 19:24 -0600, Cesar Munoz Palomino wrote: Hace unos das instal debian sarge, parece ser que por default no instala o mejor dicho, no configura el arranque para iniciar en modo grfico, pregunt en este foro el por qu no funcionaba en el entorno grfico, me dieron varias respuestas (Gracias a todos) pero ninguna funcion :( despus investigu y descubr el comando startx y funcion!!!, mis preguntas son cmo puedo hacer para que funcione desde el principio el modo grfico, incluyendo el login? y segundo por default sarge deja gnome pero a mi realmente me gusta KDE, Cmo puedo cambiarlo? Gracias. -- Vctor A. Ramos itchysoft_AT_yahoo_DOT_es (o_ Debian GNU/Linux .'''`. //\ Registered User : :' : V_/_ #315167 `. `' ` Jabber ID vramos_AT_jabber_DOT_org
Re: udev with Xwindows and winmodems,
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:33:16 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having installed the udev.deb package, the following problems have been encountered. 1) Xwindows does not start unless first, /etc/init.d/udev stop Once Xwindows is up, it is retained after /etc/init.d/udev restart I'm using udev myself on a Dell Latitude C640 running Debian Unstable. Didn't encounter that problem on a stock install. What hardware are you running udev on? Chipset of your video card? 2) The Lucent winmodem uses /dev/ttyLT0 c 62 64 with a symbolic link to it. Neither is in the /dev/ created during a bootup with udev called Load the appropriate module first. 3) /dev/ppp needed for dialup is not created by udev either. You'd need to load the module for ppp first. -- Paolo Alexis Falcone [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: udev with Xwindows and winmodems,
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 03:33:16PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having installed the udev.deb package, the following problems have been encountered. 1) Xwindows does not start unless first, /etc/init.d/udev stop Once Xwindows is up, it is retained after /etc/init.d/udev restart 2) The Lucent winmodem uses /dev/ttyLT0 c 62 64 with a symbolic link to it. Neither is in the /dev/ created during a bootup with udev called 3) /dev/ppp needed for dialup is not created by udev either. Hi Marv, had the same issue: add 'M ppp c 108 0' to '/etc/udev/links.conf' -Kev -- (__) (oo) /--\/ / ||| * /\---/\ ~~ ~~ Have you mooed today?... signature.asc Description: Digital signature
udev with Xwindows and winmodems,
Having installed the udev.deb package, the following problems have been encountered. 1) Xwindows does not start unless first, /etc/init.d/udev stop Once Xwindows is up, it is retained after /etc/init.d/udev restart 2) The Lucent winmodem uses /dev/ttyLT0 c 62 64 with a symbolic link to it. Neither is in the /dev/ created during a bootup with udev called 3) /dev/ppp needed for dialup is not created by udev either. Suggestions would be appreciated as the udev documentation is still quite lean and the provided examples are not cogent to these three problems. MarvS mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
strange Xwindows problem Sarge
Hi; I successfully installed and configured debian sarge. Xwindows is also configured. My system is on DHCP. After changing the hostname, i rebooted the system. Now i am able to run GUI i.e startx by root account. But i am not able to run startx with unprivileged account. First time as i used to run startx it used give error about display name hostname:0. But now after adding DNS entry for my new hostname, it just does not give any error. Whenever i run startx the screen flashes X and mouse cross icon...then dies. But it works with root Please help __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: strange Xwindows problem Sarge
FYI; I resolved the problem! just renamed my .xinitrc in my homw dir and again ran startx. Cheers! it works! THanks Rituraj --- RituRaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi; I successfully installed and configured debian sarge. Xwindows is also configured. My system is on DHCP. After changing the hostname, i rebooted the system. Now i am able to run GUI i.e startx by root account. But i am not able to run startx with unprivileged account. First time as i used to run startx it used give error about display name hostname:0. But now after adding DNS entry for my new hostname, it just does not give any error. Whenever i run startx the screen flashes X and mouse cross icon...then dies. But it works with root Please help __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: strange Xwindows problem Sarge
First time as i used to run startx it used give error about display name hostname:0. But now after adding DNS entry for my new hostname, it just does not give any error. Whenever i run startx the screen flashes X and mouse cross icon...then dies. So then you're back to the text console, right? What output did X produce? If you run 'X' directly (rather than calling 'startx') does that at least keep the 'stippled' background on the screen until you kill it? But it worked as a non-root user *before* you changed the hostname? If yes, then there is probably some file you forgot to change. How about running: find /etc -type f | xargs grep -l oldhostname Did you change only the host-portion of the hostname or also the domain-portion? Possible files to check are: /etc/host* /etc/resolv.conf /etc/network/interfaces You could also try reverting to the old hostname and then googling for the full procedure for changing the hostname :-) Alexis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian, Xwindows, USB Mouse and GeForce 4
Hi, I have an unremarkable Pentium 4-class machine that I wish to operate as a webserver. I have installed Debian (v 3.0 r2 i386, the latest Woody) from CD. I have a GeForce4 Ti 4200 and a Logitech Dual Optical mouse plugged into my USB port. When I type 'startx' I get 'Fatal server error'. The error messages are too numerous to fit onto one screen but they are basically variations on the theme of 'no compatible video card found' I have used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to declare my video card to be 'nv', 'vesa' or 'vga'. VGA seems to get me closer than ever before, but startx still results in 'Fatal server error'. I have downloaded the Linux drivers from the NVidia website (a script called nvidia-linux-x86...). When I run it, it complains that 'No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel'. It tries to, but can't find one from nVidia's ftp site. It therefore asks me to ensure my kernel's source is on my computer so that it can compile its own. (There is currently no kernel source on my computer). So now I guess I need to put my kernel source on my computer. How do I do this? apt-get install kernel-source results in a selection, none of which I think are relevant to my kerenel. What do I have to tell the dpkg configuration screens to make X windows recognize my USB mouse? At the moment it says 'Cannot open device /dev/psaux' (or whatever else I say my mouse is). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Xwindows, USB Mouse and GeForce 4
I have an unremarkable Pentium 4-class machine that I wish to operate as a webserver. I have installed Debian (v 3.0 r2 i386, the latest snip When I type 'startx' I get 'Fatal server error'. The error messages are too numerous to fit onto one screen but they are basically variations on the theme of 'no compatible video card found' Is there a specific reason you want X on a webserver? Cheers, Pete. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Xwindows, USB Mouse and GeForce 4
Try installing this package apt-get install x-window-system dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 then startx Regards, Vijaya Pete Clarke wrote: I have an unremarkable Pentium 4-class machine that I wish to operate as a webserver. I have installed Debian (v 3.0 r2 i386, the latest snip When I type 'startx' I get 'Fatal server error'. The error messages are too numerous to fit onto one screen but they are basically variations on the theme of 'no compatible video card found' Is there a specific reason you want X on a webserver? Cheers, Pete. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Xwindows, USB Mouse and GeForce 4
On Wed, 2004-08-04 at 06:53, Richard Cavell wrote: Hi, I have an unremarkable Pentium 4-class machine that I wish to operate as a webserver. I have installed Debian (v 3.0 r2 i386, the latest Woody) from CD. I have a GeForce4 Ti 4200 and a Logitech Dual Optical mouse plugged into my USB port. When I type 'startx' I get 'Fatal server error'. The error messages are too numerous to fit onto one screen but they are basically variations on the theme of 'no compatible video card found' I have used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to declare my video card to be 'nv', 'vesa' or 'vga'. VGA seems to get me closer than ever before, but startx still results in 'Fatal server error'. I have downloaded the Linux drivers from the NVidia website (a script called nvidia-linux-x86...). When I run it, it complains that 'No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel'. It tries to, but can't find one from nVidia's ftp site. It therefore asks me to ensure my kernel's source is on my computer so that it can compile its own. (There is currently no kernel source on my computer). So now I guess I need to put my kernel source on my computer. How do I do this? apt-get install kernel-source results in a selection, none of which I think are relevant to my kerenel. What do I have to tell the dpkg configuration screens to make X windows recognize my USB mouse? At the moment it says 'Cannot open device /dev/psaux' (or whatever else I say my mouse is). regarding your video card: this can be easily fixed if you want to compile your own kernel. the two most important packages are: nvidia-kernel-source kernel-source-some version (perhaps 2.6.7) the best way to compile this is probably using the debian kernel-package method. there is a good howto on newbiedoc.sourceforge.net on compiling your own kernel with kernel-package, check it out. there is more that could be said right now, but decide if compiling your own kernel is the method you want to go with. if you have more questions, we can help. -matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Xwindows, USB Mouse and GeForce 4
... a webserver. I have installed Debian (v 3.0 r2 i386, the latest Woody) from CD. I have a GeForce4 Ti 4200 and a Logitech Dual Optical mouse plugged into my USB port. When I type 'startx' I get 'Fatal server error'. The error messages are ... I had a similar problem and solved it by getting a later version of X from one of the backport mirrors. From the other comments I'm assuming that the problem is with the supplied free driver, and I'm not too sure what made me upgrade X but I found it easier than trying to install the proprietary drivers. The disadvantage is that you're then out of sync with the stable distro, and you may get into dependency problems (specifically I had problems doing development linked to xlib). Possibly a moot point with Sarge coming up, though running a server should always err on the side of caution. Anyway, there's a list of backport servers at: www.apt-get.org Do a package search for xfree86. Choose a server which looks groovy, for example backports.org, and add the server line to your /etc/apt/sources.list file. The server line loooks like this: deb ftp://linux.upsa.es/pub/XFREE4.3/ ./ If you now do a apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade it'll upgrade every package held by the backport source, so you may want to choose a backport source which only holds the package you want. Once you've updated that package, you could then remove the backport source from sources.list and do another apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade. The updated packages are held back in future upgrades. If you have a broadband connection, you may want to consider installing Sarge (the next release of Debian). That's what I did, and it's lovely and great (many many thanks to all the contributors). If you do want to go to Sarge, download the net-installer from: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/ And install from that CD. It worked great for me. Ade -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newby can't get Xwindows running
On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 09:52:17AM +1000, David Moore wrote: From: Micha Feigin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 03:51:13PM +1000, David Moore wrote: As a complete novice to Linux, please bear with me if my explanation of the problem is confused. I installed Debian 3.0 r2 woody kernel 2.2.20 (many times on 2 different machines) using defaults and keeping as simple as possible, but I have not been able to get XWindows running. If its a workstation and not a server I would get the new installer beta (sarge) and install either testing or unstable. The version of X there and the kernel version is much newer and could solve some problems, also IIRC the installer has some hardware recognition (don't know if for X though). I looked at the X version in stable and it looks like its 3.3.6 (which is very-very old). If you want to use stable go to http://www.backports.org/ and see how to add the backport packages (there is a HOWTO and installation instructions) and upgrade X (its 4.2.1 there although unstable and testing already have 4.3). unstable is more stable then it sounds (I rarely have problems and then it will just inhibit me from installing problematic packages unless I bypass things), testing is ok now since its entering a freezing state on its way to become stable, although usually unstable is more stable and secure then testing. For a desktop unstable is usually the best solution (unless you want to run stable with back-ports). You could also try the knoppix (http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/), meppis (http://www.mepis.org/) which have good hardware recognition, can install to the hardisk or run of a cd and are based on mix of debian testing/unstable. I will take your advice and get sarge. Meanwhile I don't tolerate disobedient software and will persist with woody a little longer - it's a learning experience! My main interest in linux is as an alternative to nt server, so the server functionality will be important once I start to find my way around. Everything has server functionality in linux. Stable is mostly meant for production servers where you don't care about features and don't want much change. Its for minimal maintenance rock solid servers. I used taskel to select: XWindows, Desktop environment and C/C++ It boots into the bash shell fine except that during boot-up a message appears: Modprobe can't locate char-major-10-135 (the pause key doesn't halt the screen during boot-up so other important message might flash past before I can write them down) I have a Matrox MGA G200 - 16Mb Phillips SL200 19 monitor MS 2 button mouse on PS2 port The problem is, when I try to run X, XFree386, xdm, kdm or gdm it does not go to VGA mode but spews forth dialogue including the following lines which seem significant: could you post the output of running startx (try also as root to make sure that there is no permission problems) and the file how do I pipe the output from startx to a file? startx startx.out 21 This will pipe the standard output to the file startx.out (file descriptor 1) and then pipe standard error (file descriptor 2) to the standard output. The order is important, since if you pipe stderr to stdout before piping stdout, then stderr will go to the screen (it goes to where the original file descriptor is pointing at the time of the pipe command). /var/log/XFree86.0.log which may help to see the error messages. here is var/log/XFree86.0.log . This is a pre-release version of XFree86, and is not supported in any way. Bugs may be reported to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and patches submitted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Before reporting bugs in pre-release versions, please check the latest version in the XFree86 CVS repository (http://www.XFree86.Org/cvs) XFree86 Version 4.1.0.1 / X Window System Ok, its 4.1 and not 3.3.6 which is much better. It would also mean that what I said in previous mail about /etc/X11/XF86Config needs to be changed to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (debian specific change in setup file name to allow versions 3 and 4 to live in parallel) (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6510) Release Date: 21 December 2001 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.3-bk2 i686 [ELF] Module Loader present (==) Log file: /var/log/XFree86.0.log, Time: Mon May 3 09:01:35 2004 (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) ServerLayout Default Layout (**) |--Screen Default Screen (0) (**) | |--Monitor
RE: Newby can't get Xwindows running
Micha, I am up and running with X :-)) check that you have /dev/mouse, it should be a symbolic link to /dev/psaux (do ls -l and see what the file name is). If it doesn't exists either provide /dev/psaux as the mouse location for the setup process or do as root ln -s psaux /dev/mouse Using ImPS/2 instead if PS/2 may also help but it won't change behavior, just features. This is my best bet for now. It was a good bet. After this I had mouse support in xf86cfg. There was just one more hurdle, xf86cfg was saving my configuration changes to \usr\lib\X11R6\XF86Config, but with the knowledge I gained from your analysis I figured where to save the configuration. Many thanks for your efforts. I really appreciate it. KDE looks great! David -Original Message- From: Micha Feigin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 3 May 2004 10:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Newby can't get Xwindows running On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 09:52:17AM +1000, David Moore wrote: From: Micha Feigin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 03:51:13PM +1000, David Moore wrote: As a complete novice to Linux, please bear with me if my explanation of the problem is confused. I installed Debian 3.0 r2 woody kernel 2.2.20 (many times on 2 different machines) using defaults and keeping as simple as possible, but I have not been able to get XWindows running. If its a workstation and not a server I would get the new installer beta (sarge) and install either testing or unstable. The version of X there and the kernel version is much newer and could solve some problems, also IIRC the installer has some hardware recognition (don't know if for X though). I looked at the X version in stable and it looks like its 3.3.6 (which is very-very old). If you want to use stable go to http://www.backports.org/ and see how to add the backport packages (there is a HOWTO and installation instructions) and upgrade X (its 4.2.1 there although unstable and testing already have 4.3). unstable is more stable then it sounds (I rarely have problems and then it will just inhibit me from installing problematic packages unless I bypass things), testing is ok now since its entering a freezing state on its way to become stable, although usually unstable is more stable and secure then testing. For a desktop unstable is usually the best solution (unless you want to run stable with back-ports). You could also try the knoppix (http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/), meppis (http://www.mepis.org/) which have good hardware recognition, can install to the hardisk or run of a cd and are based on mix of debian testing/unstable. I will take your advice and get sarge. Meanwhile I don't tolerate disobedient software and will persist with woody a little longer - it's a learning experience! My main interest in linux is as an alternative to nt server, so the server functionality will be important once I start to find my way around. Everything has server functionality in linux. Stable is mostly meant for production servers where you don't care about features and don't want much change. Its for minimal maintenance rock solid servers. I used taskel to select: XWindows, Desktop environment and C/C++ It boots into the bash shell fine except that during boot-up a message appears: Modprobe can't locate char-major-10-135 (the pause key doesn't halt the screen during boot-up so other important message might flash past before I can write them down) I have a Matrox MGA G200 - 16Mb Phillips SL200 19 monitor MS 2 button mouse on PS2 port The problem is, when I try to run X, XFree386, xdm, kdm or gdm it does not go to VGA mode but spews forth dialogue including the following lines which seem significant: could you post the output of running startx (try also as root to make sure that there is no permission problems) and the file how do I pipe the output from startx to a file? startx startx.out 21 This will pipe the standard output to the file startx.out (file descriptor 1) and then pipe standard error (file descriptor 2) to the standard output. The order is important, since if you pipe stderr to stdout before piping stdout, then stderr will go to the screen (it goes to where the original file descriptor is pointing at the time of the pipe command). /var/log/XFree86.0.log which may help to see the error messages. here is var/log/XFree86.0.log . This is a pre-release version of XFree86, and is not supported in any way. Bugs may be reported to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and patches submitted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Before reporting bugs in pre-release versions, please check the latest version in the XFree86 CVS repository (http://www.XFree86.Org/cvs) XFree86 Version 4.1.0.1 / X Window System Ok, its 4.1
Re: Newby can't get Xwindows running
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 03:51:13PM +1000, David Moore wrote: As a complete novice to Linux, please bear with me if my explanation of the problem is confused. I installed Debian 3.0 r2 woody kernel 2.2.20 (many times on 2 different machines) using defaults and keeping as simple as possible, but I have not been able to get XWindows running. If its a workstation and not a server I would get the new installer beta (sarge) and install either testing or unstable. The version of X there and the kernel version is much newer and could solve some problems, also IIRC the installer has some hardware recognition (don't know if for X though). I looked at the X version in stable and it looks like its 3.3.6 (which is very-very old). If you want to use stable go to http://www.backports.org/ and see how to add the backport packages (there is a HOWTO and installation instructions) and upgrade X (its 4.2.1 there although unstable and testing already have 4.3). unstable is more stable then it sounds (I rarely have problems and then it will just inhibit me from installing problematic packages unless I bypass things), testing is ok now since its entering a freezing state on its way to become stable, although usually unstable is more stable and secure then testing. For a desktop unstable is usually the best solution (unless you want to run stable with back-ports). You could also try the knoppix (http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/), meppis (http://www.mepis.org/) which have good hardware recognition, can install to the hardisk or run of a cd and are based on mix of debian testing/unstable. I used taskel to select: XWindows, Desktop environment and C/C++ It boots into the bash shell fine except that during boot-up a message appears: Modprobe can't locate char-major-10-135 (the pause key doesn't halt the screen during boot-up so other important message might flash past before I can write them down) I have a Matrox MGA G200 - 16Mb Phillips SL200 19 monitor MS 2 button mouse on PS2 port The problem is, when I try to run X, XFree386, xdm, kdm or gdm it does not go to VGA mode but spews forth dialogue including the following lines which seem significant: could you post the output of running startx (try also as root to make sure that there is no permission problems) and the file /var/log/XFree86.0.log which may help to see the error messages. Warning couldn't open module mga_hal MGA: Failed to load module mga_hal (Module does not exist, 0) Try using the generic vga driver as a start and see if that solves the problem first. If that works it will be easier to activate the mga driver next. Also try doing modprobe agpgart (assuming you have agp, don't remember if accelerated pci also uses agpgart or pcigart, try both). EE Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. Try reducing the resolution and refresh rate as a start to 1024x768 and 75HZ as a maximum, maybe its having problems with recognizing your monitor. Again if this works its easier to improve afterwords. IIRC there is an simple and novice options for setting up the monitor refresh rates which should let you choose something close as a start. Fatal Server error no screens found if I run xf86cfg, it goes to VGA mode and brings up the XWindows configuration modules, but the mouse doesn't work. Could be that you mouse isn't configured properly. X will crash in such a case and give errors that seem to indicate screen problems instead of mouse problems. I ran into this several times and it was usually the last place where people look. What mouse do you have (brand and ps/2 or usb?). Post the generated /etc/X11/XF86Config. I run xf86config and re-enter the hardware specs (to the best of my ability), but this makes no difference. I am basic level user with unix (some years ago), and without gui feel like I have been thrown in the deep-end in a tied sack. If I had XWindows I could probably start swimming. David -- David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] +++ This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System at the Tel-Aviv University CC. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newby can't get Xwindows running
David Moore wrote: As a complete novice to Linux, please bear with me if my explanation of the problem is confused. I installed Debian 3.0 r2 woody kernel 2.2.20 (many times on 2 different machines) using defaults and keeping as simple as possible, but I have not been able to get XWindows running. I used taskel to select: XWindows, Desktop environment and C/C++ It boots into the bash shell fine except that during boot-up a message appears: Modprobe can't locate char-major-10-135 (the pause key doesn't halt the screen during boot-up so other important message might flash past before I can write them down) You can stop messages on a console with ctrl-s and start them again with ctrl-q. But that applies only if the init process has already started, not the kernel booting. Those are found on var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages. Those char-xxx-xx-xxx things are documented in the kernel source but for the world of me I don't remember where. Anybody? I have a Matrox MGA G200 - 16Mb Phillips SL200 19 monitor MS 2 button mouse on PS2 port The problem is, when I try to run X, XFree386, xdm, kdm or gdm it does not go to VGA mode but spews forth dialogue including the following lines which seem significant: Warning couldn't open module mga_hal MGA: Failed to load module mga_hal (Module does not exist, 0) EE Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. Fatal Server error no screens found if I run xf86cfg, it goes to VGA mode and brings up the XWindows configuration modules, but the mouse doesn't work. I run xf86config and re-enter the hardware specs (to the best of my ability), but this makes no difference. I am basic level user with unix (some years ago), and without gui feel like I have been thrown in the deep-end in a tied sack. If I had XWindows I could probably start swimming. You'll be swimming in notime. David -- David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newby can't get Xwindows running
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 08:08:58AM -0500, hugo vanwoerkom wrote: David Moore wrote: As a complete novice to Linux, please bear with me if my explanation of the problem is confused. I installed Debian 3.0 r2 woody kernel 2.2.20 (many times on 2 different machines) using defaults and keeping as simple as possible, but I have not been able to get XWindows running. I used taskel to select: XWindows, Desktop environment and C/C++ It boots into the bash shell fine except that during boot-up a message appears: Modprobe can't locate char-major-10-135 (the pause key doesn't halt the screen during boot-up so other important message might flash past before I can write them down) You can stop messages on a console with ctrl-s and start them again with ctrl-q. But that applies only if the init process has already started, not the kernel booting. Those are found on var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages. Those char-xxx-xx-xxx things are documented in the kernel source but for the world of me I don't remember where. Anybody? It appears in the help section for each module (it appears in Documentation/Configure.help) but you can find most of them in /etc/modules.conf. char-major-10-135 is the real time clock (rtc) could be that its not configured or that it is compiled in and not as a module. I have a Matrox MGA G200 - 16Mb Phillips SL200 19 monitor MS 2 button mouse on PS2 port The problem is, when I try to run X, XFree386, xdm, kdm or gdm it does not go to VGA mode but spews forth dialogue including the following lines which seem significant: Warning couldn't open module mga_hal MGA: Failed to load module mga_hal (Module does not exist, 0) EE Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. Fatal Server error no screens found if I run xf86cfg, it goes to VGA mode and brings up the XWindows configuration modules, but the mouse doesn't work. I run xf86config and re-enter the hardware specs (to the best of my ability), but this makes no difference. I am basic level user with unix (some years ago), and without gui feel like I have been thrown in the deep-end in a tied sack. If I had XWindows I could probably start swimming. You'll be swimming in notime. David -- David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] +++ This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System at the Tel-Aviv University CC. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Newby can't get Xwindows running
From: Micha Feigin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 03:51:13PM +1000, David Moore wrote: As a complete novice to Linux, please bear with me if my explanation of the problem is confused. I installed Debian 3.0 r2 woody kernel 2.2.20 (many times on 2 different machines) using defaults and keeping as simple as possible, but I have not been able to get XWindows running. If its a workstation and not a server I would get the new installer beta (sarge) and install either testing or unstable. The version of X there and the kernel version is much newer and could solve some problems, also IIRC the installer has some hardware recognition (don't know if for X though). I looked at the X version in stable and it looks like its 3.3.6 (which is very-very old). If you want to use stable go to http://www.backports.org/ and see how to add the backport packages (there is a HOWTO and installation instructions) and upgrade X (its 4.2.1 there although unstable and testing already have 4.3). unstable is more stable then it sounds (I rarely have problems and then it will just inhibit me from installing problematic packages unless I bypass things), testing is ok now since its entering a freezing state on its way to become stable, although usually unstable is more stable and secure then testing. For a desktop unstable is usually the best solution (unless you want to run stable with back-ports). You could also try the knoppix (http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/), meppis (http://www.mepis.org/) which have good hardware recognition, can install to the hardisk or run of a cd and are based on mix of debian testing/unstable. I will take your advice and get sarge. Meanwhile I don't tolerate disobedient software and will persist with woody a little longer - it's a learning experience! My main interest in linux is as an alternative to nt server, so the server functionality will be important once I start to find my way around. I used taskel to select: XWindows, Desktop environment and C/C++ It boots into the bash shell fine except that during boot-up a message appears: Modprobe can't locate char-major-10-135 (the pause key doesn't halt the screen during boot-up so other important message might flash past before I can write them down) I have a Matrox MGA G200 - 16Mb Phillips SL200 19 monitor MS 2 button mouse on PS2 port The problem is, when I try to run X, XFree386, xdm, kdm or gdm it does not go to VGA mode but spews forth dialogue including the following lines which seem significant: could you post the output of running startx (try also as root to make sure that there is no permission problems) and the file how do I pipe the output from startx to a file? /var/log/XFree86.0.log which may help to see the error messages. here is var/log/XFree86.0.log . This is a pre-release version of XFree86, and is not supported in any way. Bugs may be reported to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and patches submitted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Before reporting bugs in pre-release versions, please check the latest version in the XFree86 CVS repository (http://www.XFree86.Org/cvs) XFree86 Version 4.1.0.1 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6510) Release Date: 21 December 2001 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.3-bk2 i686 [ELF] Module Loader present (==) Log file: /var/log/XFree86.0.log, Time: Mon May 3 09:01:35 2004 (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) ServerLayout Default Layout (**) |--Screen Default Screen (0) (**) | |--Monitor Generic Monitor (**) | |--Device Generic Video Card (**) |--Input Device Generic Keyboard (**) Option XkbRules xfree86 (**) XKB: rules: xfree86 (**) Option XkbModel pc104 (**) XKB: model: pc104 (**) Option XkbLayout us (**) XKB: layout: us (==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled (**) |--Input Device Configured Mouse (**) |--Input Device Generic Mouse (WW) The directory /usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic does not exist. Entry deleted from font path. (**) FontPath set to unix/:7100,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr /lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/S peedo,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi (==) RgbPath set to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb (==) ModulePath set to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules (--) using VT number 9 (WW) Cannot open APM (II) Module ABI versions: XFree86 ANSI C Emulation: 0.1 XFree86 Video Driver: 0.4 XFree86 XInput driver : 0.2 XFree86 Server Extension : 0.1 XFree86
Newby can't get Xwindows running
As a complete novice to Linux, please bear with me if my explanation of the problem is confused. I installed Debian 3.0 r2 woody kernel 2.2.20 (many times on 2 different machines) using defaults and keeping as simple as possible, but I have not been able to get XWindows running. I used taskel to select: XWindows, Desktop environment and C/C++ It boots into the bash shell fine except that during boot-up a message appears: Modprobe can't locate char-major-10-135 (the pause key doesn't halt the screen during boot-up so other important message might flash past before I can write them down) I have a Matrox MGA G200 - 16Mb Phillips SL200 19 monitor MS 2 button mouse on PS2 port The problem is, when I try to run X, XFree386, xdm, kdm or gdm it does not go to VGA mode but spews forth dialogue including the following lines which seem significant: Warning couldn't open module mga_hal MGA: Failed to load module mga_hal (Module does not exist, 0) EE Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. Fatal Server error no screens found if I run xf86cfg, it goes to VGA mode and brings up the XWindows configuration modules, but the mouse doesn't work. I run xf86config and re-enter the hardware specs (to the best of my ability), but this makes no difference. I am basic level user with unix (some years ago), and without gui feel like I have been thrown in the deep-end in a tied sack. If I had XWindows I could probably start swimming. David -- David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Xwindows in Sid
I've been running Sid for the past year or more, and have waded through a few nasty instabilities. Unstable is aptly named. However, I have hit a serious snag. I did the usual weekly or so update, and the Xwindows libraries were, ah, fixed after a dist-upgrade to correct for the file overlaps. However, X no longer works. If anyone has a way through the morass without wiping and reinstalling, I would love to hear about it. If there is a pointer to this already solved, I'd be grateful for that as well. Lynx has its limitations as a browser, and it's all I have to work with now. Curt- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xwindows in Sid
Curtis Howland wrote: I did the usual weekly or so update, and the Xwindows libraries were, ah, fixed after a dist-upgrade to correct for the file overlaps. However, X no longer works. What errors are you getting? (/var/log/XFree86.0.log) -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xwindows in Sid
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 10:14:08AM -0800, Curtis Howland wrote: However, I have hit a serious snag. I did the usual weekly or so update, and the Xwindows libraries were, ah, fixed after a dist-upgrade to correct for the file overlaps. However, X no longer works. If anyone has a way through the morass without wiping and reinstalling, I would love to hear about it. Not to lessen the impact of the problem you're having, but why in the world would you need to wipe the box and reinstall, just because X doesn't work? I could see perhaps needing to remove X completely, and put it back. If there is a pointer to this already solved, I'd be grateful for that as well. There's not, because you don't give any information. Define no longer works, please. What does the log say, and what does it NOT say? No one can solve your problem if you don't tell them what the problem is. -- Marc Wilson | Use what talents you possess: the woods would be [EMAIL PROTECTED] | very silent if no birds sang there except those that | sang best. -- Henry Van Dyke -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Xwindows in Sid
The same think happened to me last Thursday. Debian sid and KDE. I did an apt-update, apt-upgrade and startx stopped working. I followed that with an apt-dist upgrade, and startx still died. I found that X actually worked, but the window manager was failing. (I could start X at the command prompt.) I reinstalled kdm, did a cold reboot, and I was back in business. A hot reboot did not fix the problem. How do I know??? Nothing was working Saturday night, and I performed several warm reboots as I switched from Windows to Linux, so I turned off the machine and went to bed. Got up Sunday morning, started in again on the problem and I was able to login and use KDE right away. There were no errors in /var/log/XFree86.0.log. However, I did get an error from apt-upgrade referring to a bad line in my xdm config file. The line referenced was the last line in the file, and it did not contain the syntax referenced by the error message. Since I was not using xdm, I did not follow through on the issue. I just reinstalled kdm and I was back in business. I hope this was helpful - it all smacks of mumbo-jumbo, but I have not had the time to track down every aspect of this problem. I am trying to catch up on the lost productivity since I did not get my machine running correctly until Sunday. I do not know what caused the problem, but that is the wonderful life of living on the edge with sid! Cheers! Mark Phillips Phillips Marketing, Inc. 602 524-0376 office 480 945-9197 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Kent West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 11:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Xwindows in Sid Curtis Howland wrote: I did the usual weekly or so update, and the Xwindows libraries were, ah, fixed after a dist-upgrade to correct for the file overlaps. However, X no longer works. What errors are you getting? (/var/log/XFree86.0.log) -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: erased all XWindows
On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
Sam Rosenfeld wrote:
I erased all my X-related bin files (that is, including apps running
on X)
and did not have them backed up. I could reinstall them one at a time
but
that seems very laborious -- is there some better way?
Currently using Linux 2.2.20, Debian Woody
As I no longer subscribe to the list, please cc me with reponses.
This is better:
sudo apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/bin/* | sed
's/^\([^,]*\):[^,]*/\1/' |sort |uniq`
Essentially, if you only deleted the files in /usr/X11R6/bin/ (and did
not harm the package archive) this command, will search for and print
the name of every package with a file installed to /usr/X11R6/bin/
(dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/bin/*). Then take that list and remove everything
after the end of each package name sed ('s/^\([^,]*\):[^,]*/\1/'), sort
the package names (sort), remove duplicate entries (uniq), and finally
reinstall all the packages, (sudo apt-get --reinstall install `the
output of the above commands`).
HTH,
-Roberto
I tried your recommended command line (running as root instead of sudo)
and the result was a prompt -- -- . Furthermore, my unintentional
removal of the /usr/X11R6/bin/ directory somehow also caused apt-get to
reject /etc/apt/sources.list which had been working fine for a number of
months.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
sam
Sorry for not replying earlier, but my internet connection has been down
since Tuesday night. Make sure that you take note of the difference
between the single quotes (' - on the same key as ) and the bakc-tick
(` - on the same key as the ~).
As far as your sources.list, what is the exact error message?
-Roberto
Thanks, Roberto. It was that last back tick that I missed. Also, I
straightened out the sources.list problem -- I put the same data in the
/var/lib/apt/sources.list and in /etc/apt/sources.list. And, voila, it
all worked like a charm.
sam
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Re: erased all XWindows
Sam Rosenfeld wrote:
I erased all my X-related bin files (that is, including apps running
on X)
and did not have them backed up. I could reinstall them one at a time
but
that seems very laborious -- is there some better way?
Currently using Linux 2.2.20, Debian Woody
As I no longer subscribe to the list, please cc me with reponses.
This is better:
sudo apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/bin/* | sed
's/^\([^,]*\):[^,]*/\1/' |sort |uniq`
Essentially, if you only deleted the files in /usr/X11R6/bin/ (and did
not harm the package archive) this command, will search for and print
the name of every package with a file installed to /usr/X11R6/bin/
(dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/bin/*). Then take that list and remove everything
after the end of each package name sed ('s/^\([^,]*\):[^,]*/\1/'), sort
the package names (sort), remove duplicate entries (uniq), and finally
reinstall all the packages, (sudo apt-get --reinstall install `the
output of the above commands`).
HTH,
-Roberto
I tried your recommended command line (running as root instead of sudo)
and the result was a prompt -- -- . Furthermore, my unintentional
removal of the /usr/X11R6/bin/ directory somehow also caused apt-get to
reject /etc/apt/sources.list which had been working fine for a number of
months.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
sam
Sorry for not replying earlier, but my internet connection has been down
since Tuesday night. Make sure that you take note of the difference
between the single quotes (' - on the same key as ) and the bakc-tick
(` - on the same key as the ~).
As far as your sources.list, what is the exact error message?
-Roberto
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erased all XWindows
I erased all my X-related bin files (that is, including apps running on X) and did not have them backed up. I could reinstall them one at a time but that seems very laborious -- is there some better way? Currently using Linux 2.2.20, Debian Woody As I no longer subscribe to the list, please cc me with reponses. Thanks. sam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: erased all XWindows
Sam Rosenfeld wrote: I erased all my X-related bin files (that is, including apps running on X) and did not have them backed up. I could reinstall them one at a time but that seems very laborious -- is there some better way? Currently using Linux 2.2.20, Debian Woody As I no longer subscribe to the list, please cc me with reponses. Thanks. sam You could try tasksel, which would get you quite a bit of it back. I'd probably use dselect or aptitude, and just go marking things for install that look interesting. Then start the download/install and go strum on the guitar for half an hour (or four days, if you're on dial-up). Neither of these is reinstallation one at a time, but you will have to mark one at a time to get a lot of what you want. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: erased all XWindows
Kent West wrote:
Sam Rosenfeld wrote:
I erased all my X-related bin files (that is, including apps running
on X)
and did not have them backed up. I could reinstall them one at a time
but
that seems very laborious -- is there some better way?
Currently using Linux 2.2.20, Debian Woody
As I no longer subscribe to the list, please cc me with reponses.
Thanks.
sam
You could try tasksel, which would get you quite a bit of it back.
I'd probably use dselect or aptitude, and just go marking things for
install that look interesting. Then start the download/install and go
strum on the guitar for half an hour (or four days, if you're on dial-up).
Neither of these is reinstallation one at a time, but you will have to
mark one at a time to get a lot of what you want.
This is better:
sudo apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/bin/* | sed
's/^\([^,]*\):[^,]*/\1/' |sort |uniq`
Essentially, if you only deleted the files in /usr/X11R6/bin/ (and did
not harm the package archive) this command, will search for and print
the name of every package with a file installed to /usr/X11R6/bin/
(dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/bin/*). Then take that list and remove everything
after the end of each package name sed ('s/^\([^,]*\):[^,]*/\1/'), sort
the package names (sort), remove duplicate entries (uniq), and finally
reinstall all the packages, (sudo apt-get --reinstall install `the
output of the above commands`).
Admittedly, this will take a while to donwload and reinstall all the
packages, but it will ensure that you get all of the packages even if
they are not part of the X Windows System task.
HTH,
-Roberto
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Re: erased all XWindows
Roberto Sanchez wrote: Sam Rosenfeld wrote: I erased all my X-related bin files (that is, including apps running on X) and did not have them backed up. I could reinstall them one at a time but that seems very laborious -- is there some better way? sudo apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/bin/* | sed 's/^\([^,]*\):[^,]*/\1/' |sort |uniq` Essentially, snip [this does magic]. Sweet. Linux is so awesome. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: erased all XWindows
Kent West wrote: Roberto Sanchez wrote: Sam Rosenfeld wrote: I erased all my X-related bin files (that is, including apps running on X) and did not have them backed up. I could reinstall them one at a time but that seems very laborious -- is there some better way? sudo apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/bin/* | sed 's/^\([^,]*\):[^,]*/\1/' |sort |uniq` Essentially, snip [this does magic]. Sweet. Linux is so awesome. One of the myriad of reasons I will never use M$ Widows again for anything more serious than games. It is a hoy OS after all :-) BTW, that little bit-o-magic took less than 5 minutes to cook up. Linux is awesome. -Roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: erased all XWindows
Roberto Sanchez wrote: Kent West wrote: Roberto Sanchez wrote: Sam Rosenfeld wrote: I erased all my X-related bin files (that is, including apps running on X) and did not have them backed up. I could reinstall them one at a time but that seems very laborious -- is there some better way? sudo apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/bin/* | sed 's/^\([^,]*\):[^,]*/\1/' |sort |uniq` Essentially, snip [this does magic]. Sweet. Linux is so awesome. One of the myriad of reasons I will never use M$ Widows again for anything more serious than games. It is a hoy OS after all :-) ^ That should be toy. Sorry for the fat finger. BTW, that little bit-o-magic took less than 5 minutes to cook up. Linux is awesome. -Roberto -Roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Woody: TaskSel - XWindows; startx fails
Paul Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If one is setting up a server, one may only want to run an X server (XFree86, for example) on that machine, and not an X client. Other machines on the network would be running X clients and connecting with the server's X server. One doesn't need stuff like window managers running on the server. That sounds backwards and confusing. An X server talks to the keyboard and display on the machine it's running on; an X client runs on some machine and has its display on some X server not necessarily on the same machine. xterm is an X client, for example. So a server (sitting in a rack) probably wouldn't have an X server, but it might have client programs installed that people could log in and run remotely. A window manager happens to be a special case of an X client, and it's possible to run it remotely, but it's rarely what you actually want. :-) Desktop environments like GNOME and KDE in my experience tend to be happiest if they're running on the same machine that the X server is on. -- David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://people.debian.org/~dmaze/ Theoretical politics is interesting. Politicking should be illegal. -- Abra Mitchell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody: TaskSel - XWindows; startx fails
On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:30:26 -0500, David Z Maze wrote: Paul Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If one is setting up a server, one may only want to run an X server (XFree86, for example) on that machine, and not an X client. Other machines on the network would be running X clients and connecting with the server's X server. One doesn't need stuff like window managers running on the server. That sounds backwards and confusing. An X server talks to the keyboard and display on the machine it's running on; an X client runs on some machine and has its display on some X server not necessarily on the same machine. xterm is an X client, for example. So a server (sitting in a rack) probably wouldn't have an X server, but it might have client programs installed that people could log in and run remotely. A window manager happens to be a special case of an X client, and it's possible to run it remotely, but it's rarely what you actually want. :-) Desktop environments like GNOME and KDE in my experience tend to be happiest if they're running on the same machine that the X server is on. My apologies, I wrote it ass backwards without thinking. It's not my area of expertise and I screwed it up. I withdraw my post (wish I could delete it) and tanks for the much more rational explanation which had me slapping my head when I read it. I'm now going to put my head up a horse's ass. -- paul It's working as coded. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Woody: TaskSel - XWindows; startx fails
When installing woody, after getting to the tasksel screen, I noticed that choosing XWindowServer option by itself did not resolve enough dependencies to be able to run the server. I also tried apt-get install kdm, suspecting that I just needed to choose a window manager, however, kdm wouldn't resolve either. My (rather blunt) solution to the problem was to choose the desktop option in tasksel as well -- that appears to resolve whatever dependencies need resolving. I know just (not) enough about XWindowServer theory to suspect that this may be by design -- that I need to make some sort of 'choice' about my environment that is made by selecting the desktop option. Does anyone know why this is, or if it is just specific to laptops, or if it is just that something failed that should have worked? I'm interested in theory. I don't have the specific error messages on hand (to get them, I would need to do a fair amount of work) -- but I'm learning how to compile kernels, and the process has resulting in needing to reinstall debian woody about 6 times so far... (yes, I'm doing things terribly wrong and I'm aware of it)... I figure reinstallation will go faster if I don't install all of XWindowsServer and the desktop each time... Thanks! -Jason. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody: TaskSel - XWindows; startx fails
On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 06:21:02 -0600, J N wrote: When installing woody, after getting to the tasksel screen, I noticed that choosing XWindowServer option by itself did not resolve enough dependencies to be able to run the server. I also tried apt-get install kdm, suspecting that I just needed to choose a window manager, however, kdm wouldn't resolve either. My (rather blunt) solution to the problem was to choose the desktop option in tasksel as well -- that appears to resolve whatever dependencies need resolving. I know just (not) enough about XWindowServer theory to suspect that this may be by design -- that I need to make some sort of 'choice' about my environment that is made by selecting the desktop option. Does anyone know why this is, or if it is just specific to laptops, or if it is just that something failed that should have worked? I'm interested in theory. I don't have the specific error messages on hand (to get them, I would need to do a fair amount of work) -- but I'm learning how to compile kernels, and the process has resulting in needing to reinstall debian woody about 6 times so far... (yes, I'm doing things terribly wrong and I'm aware of it)... I figure reinstallation will go faster if I don't install all of XWindowsServer and the desktop each time... Thanks! -Jason. If one is setting up a server, one may only want to run an X server (XFree86, for example) on that machine, and not an X client. Other machines on the network would be running X clients and connecting with the server's X server. One doesn't need stuff like window managers running on the server. As you evidently wish to run both server and client, then you need the desktop setup. A window manager is part of the client, not the server. BTW, startx starts a client X session. Try man startx, man Xserver, man XFree86, etc. This is necessarily very brief and incomplete, but I hope it gives you the picture. -- paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
entorn de Xwindows
seguint les instruccions que vaig rebre ja vaik aconseguir instalar correctament tant el ratolí com el driver d'nvidia (suposo que va bé, perquè arranca molt més ràpid). però després d'un parell de proves amb el wmaker em vaig proposar instal·lar el KDE; i després d'un parell de proves va deixar d'arrancar-me el gestor. Vaig instalar el "kdm" per poder triar més fàcilment quin entorn utilitzo però només em deixa triar el KDE, i quan arranca només m'apareix un escriptori completament en blanc, sense ni icones, ni menús, etc... estic utilitzant SARGE, algú em pot dir quin fitxer de configuració s'ha d'editar per tornar a carregar el wmaker? o si algú em diu com configurar el KDE per sarge també li estaré agraït. gràcies
Re: shell prompt for xwindows
On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 04:51:34AM -0800, Gruessle wrote: What is the shell prompt for xwindows? The windowing system in Linux is mult-layered. under everything is the libraries. There are libraries for X, for kde and gnome the next layer is X itself which uses X libraries X itself just makes the screen grey and makes the cursor and other things. on top of X is the window manager. twm, windowmaker, sawfish, kde are windowmanagers. They make the 'edges' of the windows appear and allow you to move the windows. The windows contain terminals or web browsers or such. So, when you run a command like xterm, it creates a window and puts a shell inside it. This is a simplification. Others may want to fill in more details. -Kev signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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