Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future?
My main problem here is... I don't subscribe to the Imail Message Group. I had no idea this was coming. We just upgraded our Imail SA last month. I can't remember what the original cost of the IMail Server with Unlimited was, but I don't believe it was 8,999.00. For a small ISP that is a big chunk of change. And I don't believe many ISP's or Mail Providers would have 250 or less customers. I will be keeping watch here to see what Scott and the guys at Declude decided. Here's for hoping they come up with an option that is affordable to the "small and medium-sized business" Bennie Looks like the sky is still blue, but it just got very cloudy. - Original Message - From: Matt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future? Sandy,I'm not going to debate whether or not the 'sky is blue' with you, but please don't paint by inference that I'm jumping the gun by contemplating a very likely change of platforms within the next year.Scott and the management at Declude might want to continue their silence regarding target platforms, but they need to make it known before I make a conscious choice in order to have a better chance of keeping my business, and I would think that it would be in their best interest to let others know as well because it is clear in the IMail list that people are making choices rather quickly. Sure, IMail 8 and Declude as a pair will limp along for some time, but they are dead-end products at the moment. Even if Ipswitch changes their tune, I no longer trust them and I won't be making myself a victim to a potential screwing at some point down the line. My mail server will no doubt be changing, and I need to choose a new gateway and mail server to replace them.The good news is that I just saved myself the money that I was going to send to Ipswitch for a new service agreement :) This is the most ungraceful upgrade path that a piece of software has ever seen when you consider all the choices, and I've seen some rather hefty changes such as the WebTrends path to becoming an expensive niche analytics company. Ipswitch will probably manage the transition fairly well, keeping say 1 out of 10 subscribers, but it will doom their product to take themselves out of the mainstream in this way considering that their pricing now makes them appear not much different than Exchange, and doing so in a time when capable products are coming up that are cheaper or even free. I have a memory for people and companies that try to screw me, and this upgrade path is a screw if I've ever seen one, and they will never get another dime from me unless the management is forced out that made these choices. Consider that to be a personal observation and preference, so the sky is definitely blue.MattMattSanford Whiteman wrote: So what do you do when the next IMail exploit pops up such as that LDAP exploit and you have no way to fix the bug? Can a serious business even take the risk of this happening? There's no evidence to suggest that security-related patches will not be made available for old versions, as evidenced repeatedly in the pattern of moves from 5-6, 6-7, and 7-8. The particular exploit you mentioned is in a component of IMail that is now open-source, and so by definition can always be patched. Furthermore, using IMail simply as a wrapper for Declude gives you only one possible attack vector (SMTPD) in a module which essentially hasn't changed in several years (SMTPD retains its old, non-multithreaded code, despite QUEUEMGR's improvements on the delivery side). Such patterns may change, but telling our IMail clients that we're choosing them a new product _now_ would be an admittance of a sheer lack of control. I'd prefer that the development of, for example, a new Declude MTA or preferred MTA integration not be paced by user panic. --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.Virus".The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
Fwd: Re: [Declude.Virus] [Declude.JunkMail] Solution to death of IMail
scott, it is never too late and i think your are right with the 90% of your customers. marc At 13:09 26.10.2004, you wrote: [Replying to several posts here] Here's a thought - what about a Declude mail server? It sounds like a great idea, but it would also be a huge undertaking. By the time we had something ready, it could be too late. What makes everyone think that Declude won't work with Ipswitch ICS? It almost certainly will. I think the concern is that about 90% of our customers will likely not be upgrading to ICS. It's Declude holding me on this line. But even Declude showed certain things I can see now with IPSwitch/ICS. It's not completely the same story but customers in both cases are left in the dark and feel patronized by new features (colaboration, MTLD) they not realy need. We will likely have more answers very soon. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. [Scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] [Scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. [Scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] [Scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future?
The good news is that I just saved myself the money by switching to GEICO? Sorry, couldn't resist. The IPswitch situation is just getting pretty humorous... Fortunatelymost of us willhave from 1-2 years before having to replace IMail. Big question is what do companies likeCH do that need the new sales and contract renewals that won't come if IPswitch doesn't recant and sell the base product. Even ifIpswitch does recant, many will go elsewhere anyway, resulting in a significant sales drop. Darin. - Original Message - From: Matt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future? Sandy,I'm not going to debate whether or not the 'sky is blue' with you, but please don't paint by inference that I'm jumping the gun by contemplating a very likely change of platforms within the next year.Scott and the management at Declude might want to continue their silence regarding target platforms, but they need to make it known before I make a conscious choice in order to have a better chance of keeping my business, and I would think that it would be in their best interest to let others know as well because it is clear in the IMail list that people are making choices rather quickly. Sure, IMail 8 and Declude as a pair will limp along for some time, but they are dead-end products at the moment. Even if Ipswitch changes their tune, I no longer trust them and I won't be making myself a victim to a potential screwing at some point down the line. My mail server will no doubt be changing, and I need to choose a new gateway and mail server to replace them.The good news is that I just saved myself the money that I was going to send to Ipswitch for a new service agreement :) This is the most ungraceful upgrade path that a piece of software has ever seen when you consider all the choices, and I've seen some rather hefty changes such as the WebTrends path to becoming an expensive niche analytics company. Ipswitch will probably manage the transition fairly well, keeping say 1 out of 10 subscribers, but it will doom their product to take themselves out of the mainstream in this way considering that their pricing now makes them appear not much different than Exchange, and doing so in a time when capable products are coming up that are cheaper or even free. I have a memory for people and companies that try to screw me, and this upgrade path is a screw if I've ever seen one, and they will never get another dime from me unless the management is forced out that made these choices. Consider that to be a personal observation and preference, so the sky is definitely blue.MattMattSanford Whiteman wrote: So what do you do when the next IMail exploit pops up such as that LDAP exploit and you have no way to fix the bug? Can a serious business even take the risk of this happening? There's no evidence to suggest that security-related patches will not be made available for old versions, as evidenced repeatedly in the pattern of moves from 5-6, 6-7, and 7-8. The particular exploit you mentioned is in a component of IMail that is now open-source, and so by definition can always be patched. Furthermore, using IMail simply as a wrapper for Declude gives you only one possible attack vector (SMTPD) in a module which essentially hasn't changed in several years (SMTPD retains its old, non-multithreaded code, despite QUEUEMGR's improvements on the delivery side). Such patterns may change, but telling our IMail clients that we're choosing them a new product _now_ would be an admittance of a sheer lack of control. I'd prefer that the development of, for example, a new Declude MTA or preferred MTA integration not be paced by user panic. --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.Virus".The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
RE: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future?
Having started this thread, I now feel that maybe it was too quick to expect anything from Declude other than a We are reviewing the situation will get back too you soon. It has been only 24 hours. A thought-out response is better than a quick, off the top of the head one. Technically the product is probably not dead-end, but from an old customer base standpoint, it may well be. I sure cant afford the future annual service agreements much less the upgrade cost. I think Ipswitch, while in their rights to direct their product as they please, forgot something important consideration of their existing customers. John Matt wrote: Scott and the management at Declude might want to continue their silence regarding target platforms, but they need to make it known before I make a conscious choice in order to have a better chance of keeping my business, and I would think that it would be in their best interest to let others know as well because it is clear in the IMail list that people are making choices rather quickly. Sure, IMail 8 and Declude as a pair will limp along for some time, but they are dead-end products at the moment.
RE: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future?
Why bother. Imail is a product of the past. Time to move on. At 10:48 AM 10/26/2004 -0400, you wrote: Everyone who still wants to use imail should call the sales dept [(800) 793-4825] and lodge a complaint (politely). The girl I spoke to at least seemed to listen. Robert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Carter Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future? Having started this thread, I now feel that maybe it was too quick to expect anything from Declude other than a We are reviewing the situation will get back too you soon. It has been only 24 hours. A thought-out response is better than a quick, off the top of the head one. Technically the product is probably not dead-end, but from an old customer base standpoint, it may well be. I sure cant afford the future annual service agreements much less the upgrade cost. I think Ipswitch, while in their rights to direct their product as they please, forgot something important consideration of their existing customers. John Matt wrote: Scott and the management at Declude might want to continue their silence regarding target platforms, but they need to make it known before I make a conscious choice in order to have a better chance of keeping my business, and I would think that it would be in their best interest to let others know as well because it is clear in the IMail list that people are making choices rather quickly. Sure, IMail 8 and Declude as a pair will limp along for some time, but they are dead-end products at the moment. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future?
From what I have seen on Ipswich's site as well as on this thread it sounds as though if you are running Imail 8.x (or any other version) and do not pay to upgrade to the new collaboration suite you will receive absolutely no support after your current service agreement expires. Has anyone had a chance to verify this with Ipswich yet? If we could get another year of support for Imail 8.x it might be worth it to stay with Imail for another year, but if we won't have any support from Ipswich I think it would be prudent to look at another product. Even with the discount's for existing customers $12,000 to upgrade 2 imail servers just because Imail is forcing us to doesn't make much sense. What about next year, I would almost bet that the service contract renewals will be higher than they were with regular Imail?? Jim Matuska Jr. Computer Tech II CCNA Nez Perce Tribe Information Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Fritz Squib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 5:31 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future? See http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ And http://www.ipswitch.com/forums/messages.aspx?ForumID=10 Ipswitch is abandoning Imail for their new Collaboration Suite. Fritz Frederick P. Squib, Jr. Network Operations/Mail Administrator Citizens Telephone Company of Kecksburg http://www.wpa.net () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\- against microsoft attachments -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Matuska Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future? Ok, I think I missed something here. What is everyone talking about here, is Imail prohibiting add on's such as declude in future versions (I sure hope not), is declude launching a new version for another platform? The panic level just went up with those last few emails. Jim - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future? You have been strangely quiet. Are you in shock or formulating a plan -- hopefully the latter? Although I will admit to shock (disbelief would be a more appropriate term) when I first heard about this. I didn't think that Ipswitch would actually do it. But they did. As for formulating a plan, that is in the works. But a lot will depend on whether Ipswitch is smart enough to fix the problem, or whether they truly isolate the majority of their loyal customers. It may be too early to ask, but what does the future hold for Declude/Imail or Declude and _ mail server product (fill in the blank)? It's too early to say. A lot will depend on how Ipswitch responds to their customers -- I can't imagine that they will completely ignore this. A business can't survive by destroying a loyal customer base, when they have the product to offer. But I can definitely say this: Declude isn't going to go away, no matter what Ipswitch may do. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned by Citizens Internet Services with Declude Virus.] --- [This E-mail scanned by Citizens Internet Services with Declude Virus.] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future?
You can not purchase anything to do with Imail at this point. Nothing. I currently have 8.0 because my SA ran out. I was going to renew it next month, heck I'll do it today. All I want right now is 8.1 and any bug fixes to it for the next 12 months. And they can have my $500 for that. That doesn't seem unreasonable. That way at least I have time to look for something else and make an informed decision. I don't care if they just have a firesale on SAs for the next 2 weeks, or whatever, they just should have been very clear as to what WAS going to happen, or have provided a grace period now that it has. Anyone stuck in this situation must call Ipswitch ASAP. Robert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Matuska Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future? From what I have seen on Ipswich's site as well as on this thread it sounds as though if you are running Imail 8.x (or any other version) and do not pay to upgrade to the new collaboration suite you will receive absolutely no support after your current service agreement expires. Has anyone had a chance to verify this with Ipswich yet? If we could get another year of support for Imail 8.x it might be worth it to stay with Imail for another year, but if we won't have any support from Ipswich I think it would be prudent to look at another product. Even with the discount's for existing customers $12,000 to upgrade 2 imail servers just because Imail is forcing us to doesn't make much sense. What about next year, I would almost bet that the service contract renewals will be higher than they were with regular Imail?? Jim Matuska Jr. Computer Tech II CCNA Nez Perce Tribe Information Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Fritz Squib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 5:31 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future? See http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ And http://www.ipswitch.com/forums/messages.aspx?ForumID=10 Ipswitch is abandoning Imail for their new Collaboration Suite. Fritz Frederick P. Squib, Jr. Network Operations/Mail Administrator Citizens Telephone Company of Kecksburg http://www.wpa.net () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\- against microsoft attachments -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Matuska Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future? Ok, I think I missed something here. What is everyone talking about here, is Imail prohibiting add on's such as declude in future versions (I sure hope not), is declude launching a new version for another platform? The panic level just went up with those last few emails. Jim - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future? You have been strangely quiet. Are you in shock or formulating a plan -- hopefully the latter? Although I will admit to shock (disbelief would be a more appropriate term) when I first heard about this. I didn't think that Ipswitch would actually do it. But they did. As for formulating a plan, that is in the works. But a lot will depend on whether Ipswitch is smart enough to fix the problem, or whether they truly isolate the majority of their loyal customers. It may be too early to ask, but what does the future hold for Declude/Imail or Declude and _ mail server product (fill in the blank)? It's too early to say. A lot will depend on how Ipswitch responds to their customers -- I can't imagine that they will completely ignore this. A business can't survive by destroying a loyal customer base, when they have the product to offer. But I can definitely say this: Declude isn't going to go away, no matter what Ipswitch may do. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at
RE: [Declude.Virus] What is our future?
By now most of you will have seen the recent announcement by Ipswitch of their product repackaging. Like you, we are disappointed by their decision to effectively impose a price increase to their base product offerings and to burden existing and future customers who appreciate the advantages of purchasing the Declude suite of applications. To all our customers including the many hundreds of you who contacted us yesterday by phone, email, support system and the JunkMail and Virus lists we can assure you that Declude will not abandon you and we will continue to deliver and enhance Declude, or as one customer described it yesterday, the best single feature of IMail! We had hoped to make this announcement when we had a definitive delivery date but the 2 additional versions of Declude that will address this situation are in the development mill. We are not able to provide more information at the present time but we will keep you up-to-date with specific information as it becomes available. We thank our loyal customers and partners for their support. If any of you have specific questions please feel free to contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future?
I 100% agree, we have less than a week left on our service agreement, before it expires I will have to make a recommendation to my boss that will likely be one of the following: Option 1: Give in to Imail's new scheme and pay to upgrade to the Imail Collaboration Suite Option 2: Switch to Exchange, an new Spam, and Virus providers (would be very costly) Option 3: Switch to another Email program, find a new Spam, and AntiVirus Solution for the new solution From what I hear many people on the list are going through this process right now. As nice as it was having that office email from CH without and announcement with some sort of details on where declude is heading, I can hear many server admins jumping ship and dumping Imail and Declude within the next 24 to 48 hours. I personally have been very happy with the declude products, and I send the blame 100% to Imail and not Declude, but unfortunately unless some details are provided on where Declude is heading (ASAP) it will be very likely that declude will not be used much longer as much as I hate to say. In a mission critical environment, we cannot be without a supported email product and at this point I don't see how we are going to be able to use declude no matter what choice we make. Jim Matuska Jr. Computer Tech II CCNA Nez Perce Tribe Information Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future? I want to add my voice to getting some sort of indicator from CH ASAP. I am buying a mail server in the next several days, and typing up my recommendations now. If CH announces (even eventual) support for one server or another thats a big factor in my decision, as I want Declude Virus running on that box if possible. -- --Matt Robertson-- President, Janitor MSB Designs, Inc. mysecretbase.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.Virus] Fw: Ipswitch Service Agreement Status
FYI, For everyone wanting to renew their old Imail service agreement, if you already have a quote for the renewal Ipswitch will honor, not sure if this is a great idea considering the product is end of life, but a lot cheaper than upgrading if you want to just gain a little time to be able to migrate to another platform. Jim Matuska Jr. Computer Tech II CCNA Nez Perce Tribe Information Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: RE: Ipswitch Service Agreement Status [T2004102601WC] Hi Jim Yes, we are honoring this, we will make an exception to all customers who have been send a renewal notice or a valid quote. To renew this please contact our Customer Service or fax the email back with payment information. IMail's functionality has been incorporated into the Ipswitch Collaboration Suite and is no longer offered on an individual basis for new purchases or for renewals. IMail is now offered as a part of the Ipswitch Collaboration Suite. All existing IMail Service Agreements will be honored and you will receive the full value of your Service Agreement and the opportunity to purchase Ipswitch Collaboration Suite at a discounted price. (any remaining Service Agreement time will be transferred over to ICS) Regards, Mary Lawlor Ipswitch, Inc. Service Sales Manager (P)781-676-5775 (F)781-676-5710 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future?
Or: Option 4: stay with Imail 8.05 or 8.13 , with declude antivirus and antispam. For now, it is working fine for us we will evaluate mdaemon and other product, but we will not switch now There are people still using Imail 6.0x I'm sure we can use the current code for at least a couple of years - Original Message - From: Jim Matuska [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future? I 100% agree, we have less than a week left on our service agreement, before it expires I will have to make a recommendation to my boss that will likely be one of the following: Option 1: Give in to Imail's new scheme and pay to upgrade to the Imail Collaboration Suite Option 2: Switch to Exchange, an new Spam, and Virus providers (would be very costly) Option 3: Switch to another Email program, find a new Spam, and AntiVirus Solution for the new solution From what I hear many people on the list are going through this process right now. As nice as it was having that office email from CH without and announcement with some sort of details on where declude is heading, I can hear many server admins jumping ship and dumping Imail and Declude within the next 24 to 48 hours. I personally have been very happy with the declude products, and I send the blame 100% to Imail and not Declude, but unfortunately unless some details are provided on where Declude is heading (ASAP) it will be very likely that declude will not be used much longer as much as I hate to say. In a mission critical environment, we cannot be without a supported email product and at this point I don't see how we are going to be able to use declude no matter what choice we make. Jim Matuska Jr. Computer Tech II CCNA Nez Perce Tribe Information Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future? I want to add my voice to getting some sort of indicator from CH ASAP. I am buying a mail server in the next several days, and typing up my recommendations now. If CH announces (even eventual) support for one server or another thats a big factor in my decision, as I want Declude Virus running on that box if possible. -- --Matt Robertson-- President, Janitor MSB Designs, Inc. mysecretbase.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.Virus] Fw: Ipswitch Service Agreement Status
Just about as easy to not renew. Considering the about of bug fixes that they normally send out, and with a new product I would think that would go down considerably. Easier to buy a few other products with the savings. In fact there are some pretty exciting ones out there. At 10:56 AM 10/26/2004 -0700, you wrote: FYI, For everyone wanting to renew their old Imail service agreement, if you already have a quote for the renewal Ipswitch will honor, not sure if this is a great idea considering the product is end of life, but a lot cheaper than upgrading if you want to just gain a little time to be able to migrate to another platform. Jim Matuska Jr. Computer Tech II CCNA Nez Perce Tribe Information Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: RE: Ipswitch Service Agreement Status [T2004102601WC] Hi Jim Yes, we are honoring this, we will make an exception to all customers who have been send a renewal notice or a valid quote. To renew this please contact our Customer Service or fax the email back with payment information. IMail's functionality has been incorporated into the Ipswitch Collaboration Suite and is no longer offered on an individual basis for new purchases or for renewals. IMail is now offered as a part of the Ipswitch Collaboration Suite. All existing IMail Service Agreements will be honored and you will receive the full value of your Service Agreement and the opportunity to purchase Ipswitch Collaboration Suite at a discounted price. (any remaining Service Agreement time will be transferred over to ICS) Regards, Mary Lawlor Ipswitch, Inc. Service Sales Manager (P)781-676-5775 (F)781-676-5710 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future?
I called Ipswitch this morning. After I let them have it they said that we could continue with our subscription and they would offer hotfixes and support. Considering I don't need a support agreement to get hotfixes in the current release and I never call tech support, I'm not going to renew. This of course doesn't mean that Imail/Declude stops working. It seems to me that I have at least 12-30 months of use out of the current versions of Imail and Declude. So I think the reality of the situation is that people who are freaking out because they need to go buy a new piece of software are over-reacting. I ran Imail 4.7 for years after 7 was released. The only reason I upgraded Imail was because I found Declude. Having said that I have no reason to switch MTA's as long as Declude keeps working or Declude comes out with something better. Just my $.02 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.Virus] New platform
Sounds like there is some time that would give Scott and Co. time to deveope their own mail server software. If it was as good as the other Declude products, it would certainly be a winner. Just a thought! - Don Duffy Manager, Technical Services Office 330-684-5103 Fax 330-684-5122 www.orrutilities.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
re[2]: [Declude.Virus] Fw: Ipswitch Service Agreement Status
Not sure if I missed a posting on this so, I recently attended an IPswitch seminar on ICS and ISPs can continue to purchase IMail as a standalone product. Sincerely, John David M. Miller SAMnet 2785 Boston Road Wilbraham MA, 01095 Tel: (413) 596-2050 Fax: (413) 599-1771 http://www.samnet.net Just about as easy to not renew. Considering the about of bug fixes that they normally send out, and with a new product I would think that would go down considerably. Easier to buy a few other products with the savings. In fact there are some pretty exciting ones out there. At 10:56 AM 10/26/2004 -0700, you wrote: FYI, For everyone wanting to renew their old Imail service agreement, if you already have a quote for the renewal Ipswitch will honor, not sure if this is a great idea considering the product is end of life, but a lot cheaper than upgrading if you want to just gain a little time to be able to migrate to another platform. Jim Matuska Jr. Computer Tech II CCNA Nez Perce Tribe Information Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: RE: Ipswitch Service Agreement Status [T2004102601WC] Hi Jim Yes, we are honoring this, we will make an exception to all customers who have been send a renewal notice or a valid quote. To renew this please contact our Customer Service or fax the email back with payment information. IMail's functionality has been incorporated into the Ipswitch Collaboration Suite and is no longer offered on an individual basis for new purchases or for renewals. IMail is now offered as a part of the Ipswitch Collaboration Suite. All existing IMail Service Agreements will be honored and you will receive the full value of your Service Agreement and the opportunity to purchase Ipswitch Collaboration Suite at a discounted price. (any remaining Service Agreement time will be transferred over to ICS) Regards, Mary Lawlor Ipswitch, Inc. Service Sales Manager (P)781-676-5775 (F)781-676-5710 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: re[2]: [Declude.Virus] Fw: Ipswitch Service Agreement Status
Yes, at $6,000 per year (or something like that) plus they force the Symantec Anti-Virus on you (to justify the increase.) Forget about it. Best Regards Andy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John David M. Miller Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 02:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: re[2]: [Declude.Virus] Fw: Ipswitch Service Agreement Status Not sure if I missed a posting on this so, I recently attended an IPswitch seminar on ICS and ISPs can continue to purchase IMail as a standalone product. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future?
The part where it isn't an overreaction is for folks who are actively buying new products. I've got one purchase certain within the next several days and another likely in the next 60. I figure that barring any catastrophic exploits showing up that Ipswitch won't patch, I've got a year or two with my own Imail 8.11. Anyone got any opinions on MailEnable? Their pricing looks good and so does the product. I've been leaning way over in the direction of Merak but this makes me real curious. Anyone run it under load? -- --Matt Robertson-- President, Janitor MSB Designs, Inc. mysecretbase.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: re[2]: [Declude.Virus] Fw: Ipswitch Service Agreement Status
Do you have documentation to this affect or a link to a webpage stating this? Not that I doubt you, I'm looking for more info . Troy D. Hilton SofWerks LLC. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Not sure if I missed a posting on this so, I recently attended an IPswitch seminar on ICS and ISPs can continue to purchase IMail as a standalone product. Sincerely, John David M. Miller SAMnet 2785 Boston Road Wilbraham MA, 01095 Tel: (413) 596-2050 Fax: (413) 599-1771 http://www.samnet.net Just about as easy to not renew. Considering the about of bug fixes thatthey normally send out, and with a new product I would think that would godown considerably. Easier to buy a few other products with the savings. Infact there are some pretty exciting ones out there. At 10:56 AM 10/26/2004 -0700, you wrote: FYI, For everyone wanting to renew their old Imail service agreement, if youalready have a quote for the renewal Ipswitch will honor, not sure ifthisis a great idea considering the product is end of life, but a lot cheaper than upgrading if you want to just gain a little time to be able tomigrateto another platform. Jim Matuska Jr. Computer Tech II CCNA Nez Perce Tribe Information Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:45 AMSubject: RE: Ipswitch Service Agreement Status [T2004102601WC] Hi Jim Yes, we are honoring this, we will make an exception to all customerswho have been send a renewal notice or a valid quote. To renew this please contact our Customer Service or fax the email back with payment information. IMail's functionality has been incorporated into the Ipswitch Collaboration Suite and is no longer offered on an individual basis for new purchasesor for renewals. IMail is now offered as a part of the IpswitchCollaboration Suite. All existing IMail Service Agreements will be honored and you will receive the full value of your Service Agreement and the opportunity topurchase Ipswitch Collaboration Suite at a discounted price. (any remainingService Agreement time will be transferred over to ICS) Regards, Mary Lawlor Ipswitch, Inc. Service Sales Manager (P)781-676-5775 (F)781-676-5710 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)]---This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. - [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future?
Anyone got any opinions on MailEnable? Their pricing looks good and so does the product. I've been leaning way over in the direction of Merak but this makes me real curious. Anyone run it under load? No load but I installed it on my backup server in place of MS STMP and it seems to work. I can't really place that much of a load on it in a test enviroment. Did notice that it has some rather cool features for something that is the same price as I paid for Imail when I first purchased it, years ago. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: re[2]: [Declude.Virus] Fw: Ipswitch Service Agreement Status
Not sure if I missed a posting on this so, I recently attended an IPswitch seminar on ICS and ISPs can continue to purchase IMail as a standalone product. Sincerely, John David M. Miller As of yesterday, incorrect. More to come later on my report to the Imail list. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
