Re: [RELEASE][MILESTONE]: preparation of AOO 4.1.1 milestone 1
Hello Jürgen, thank you for preparing the first milestone. At http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/milestones/4.1.1-m1-r1603804/binaries/cs/ the pload stopped at Friday evening. The link under [2] doesn't work. Kind regards Mechtilde Am 20.06.2014 16:39, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: Hi, well we have not finally defined the release schedule for AOO 4.1.1 but the train has started already and I have prepared a first milestone build that is currently uploading. The milestone (m1) build is based on the AOO410 branch on revision 1603804. The fixed issue compared to AOO 4.1 can be found under [1] and the binaries can be found under [2] (when the upload is finished). The upload is ongoing and I expect it will be finished tonight or tomorrow, yes we still have a bottleneck here. But anyway no pressure at the moment but I invite all volunteers to give it a try as early as possible and provide feedback. Next week we will define in more detail the release schedule and I hope that we can address the most important and serious problems we have currently. [1] http://people.apache.org/~jsc/milestones/4.1.1-m1-r1603804/AOO4.1.1_fixes.html [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
4.1.1_release_blocker requested: [Issue 124766] Update Hebrew (he) translation from Pootle for AOO 4.1.1
Tal t...@apache.org has asked for 4.1.1_release_blocker: Issue 124766: Update Hebrew (he) translation from Pootle for AOO 4.1.1 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124766 --- Additional Comments from Tal t...@apache.org + 4.1.1 release blocker. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
4.1.1_release_blocker requested: [Issue 124914] AOO opens Word .docx with wrong text alignment
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4.1.1_release_blocker requested: [Issue 123308] Basic Formatting Shortcuts don't function when typing in another language.
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Re: [www] NEW language Selection Dropdown!
Great. I thought to publish it, too, lately (move the language bar from the test page, to the brand.html template, on top; see http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/test/templates/brand-template-with-language-select-without-vars.html ). I understand that you prefer to mention language codes in brackets (e.g. ... [it]), rather than writing only the language names, as it is currently, and in Mozilla too. Note that a month ago, I mentioned that there are already inline HTML comments, for developers, next to each option, in the source code, intended for developers. Anyway, I'll try to publish soon, Tal On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 12:14 AM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 06/21/2014 10:25 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 20/05/2014 21:52, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 05/20/2014 11:13 AM, schrieb Tal Daniel: Please test it a bit, comment here, and if all goes well, I'll move the code into the site brand.html template, to affect all sites. We are now at a point where we could enable this, right? Of course, improvements are always possible, but once we have something online it's easier to make incremental fixes. For example, leveraging the Apache CMS and view.pm is nice to have, , but it will be easier to involve an Apache CMS guru after the thing is online rather than wait. I this case I think it's impossible to test deeply on the local machine as the interaction with the CMS here is key. So indeed, starting with a minimal implementation and fixing problems on-the-fly seems needed. source code: I've added a comment next to eachoption, stating the language in English. I don't see it as redundant information as it helps to identify what to choose. And I mean the average user, not developers especially. Looking around, it seems that a good solution could be to do like the European Union official site http://europa.eu/ does: language name in native language and language code in square brackets. So something like Italiano [it] Magyar [hu] Polski [pl] Could this work? This is quite compact and informative, especially in our case where we actually use the language code for the directory containing the subsite (in most cases). Sure, that would fit. @Tal: Please go ahead. :-) Marcus -- טל
Re: [HOMEPAGE][PROPOSAL] Alert box on top of webpage to announce important events
On 21/06/2014 Marcus (OOo) wrote: a new idea came into my mind: In the past we had some events where an announcement was helpful. So, we added some hardcoded text on top to a webpage (e.g., Wiki is down). To get this done in a more dynamically way I created this: http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/index_alert.html Well, that looks much nicer than what we have had so far, including the big headline New: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 released!. At the moment it's just static in this HTML file. But if accepted it should be the target to place it in a separate file to get it integrated in other webpages, too. Opinions? If we are to use this space for announcements, it's OK to have it on the homepage only. But, as Ariel once wrote, we could also look into including the Bootstrap CSS framework to this aim, since it guarantees cross-browser compatibility, it leaves room for customization with plain CSS and it comes with a number of pre-defined styles, see for example http://getbootstrap.com/css/#helper-classes ; so we could have some common functionality out of the box. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [www] NEW language Selection Dropdown!
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 06/21/2014 10:25 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 20/05/2014 21:52, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 05/20/2014 11:13 AM, schrieb Tal Daniel: Please test it a bit, comment here, and if all goes well, I'll move the code into the site brand.html template, to affect all sites. We are now at a point where we could enable this, right? Of course, improvements are always possible, but once we have something online it's easier to make incremental fixes. For example, leveraging the Apache CMS and view.pm is nice to have, , but it will be easier to involve an Apache CMS guru after the thing is online rather than wait. I this case I think it's impossible to test deeply on the local machine as the interaction with the CMS here is key. By downloading and using the build scripts as described here -- http://openoffice.apache.org/website-local.html#how-to-do-website-development-locally-for-technical-users you actually do produce the same results as the CMS does but in your local environment. This is kind of mandatory if you change any files that effect the CMS processing -- templates, etc. I think maybe this part is not clear. I will make some modifications today to help. So indeed, starting with a minimal implementation and fixing problems on-the-fly seems needed. source code: I've added a comment next to eachoption, stating the language in English. I don't see it as redundant information as it helps to identify what to choose. And I mean the average user, not developers especially. Looking around, it seems that a good solution could be to do like the European Union official site http://europa.eu/ does: language name in native language and language code in square brackets. So something like Italiano [it] Magyar [hu] Polski [pl] Could this work? This is quite compact and informative, especially in our case where we actually use the language code for the directory containing the subsite (in most cases). Sure, that would fit. @Tal: Please go ahead. :-) Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it; Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. -- attributed to Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Re: Apache@ OSCON question
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Melissa Warnkin missywarn...@yahoo.com wrote: Good morning, Since we're talking about a compressed timeline, perhaps you want to consider placing the orders through the vendors I use in the US? I order stickers from: Sticker Mule, Custom Sticker Printing - Sticker Mule http://www.stickermule.com/. They are very professional and provide a very quick turnaround time. Custom Sticker Printing - Sticker Mule http://www.stickermule.com/ Sticker Mule prints custom stickers, die cut stickers and laptop skins. Prices start at $49 for 50. Free shipping. View on www.stickermule.com http://www.stickermule.com/ Preview by Yahoo Pins I get from: Wacky Buttons, Make Buttons | Pin Buttons | Custom Buttons | Badge Pins | Pinback Buttons http://www.wackybuttons.com/. They are very professional and provide a very quick turnaround time as well. [image: image] http://www.wackybuttons.com/ Make Buttons | Pin Buttons | Custom Buttons | Badge Pin... http://www.wackybuttons.com/ We sell pinback button badges and specialize in making custom buttons. Create your own buttons online, Let us design them for free, or choose from our lar... View on www.wackybuttons.com http://www.wackybuttons.com/ Preview by Yahoo Wherever you order from, you can use my address to ship the items to: Melissa Warnkin 79 Bickel Road Washington, NJ 07882 908.343.3214 The items will be compact enough that I can even put them in my luggage, if I had to!! Regarding the roll-up banner: No, I do not have room at the booth for that. I've even eliminated sending the ASF vertical rollup due to lack of space. I'll have room for leaflets since they're folded like this: - A4 leaflets, in color (suitable b/w too) 11-flyers https://flic.kr/p/dSDcDC [image: image] https://flic.kr/p/dSDcDC 11-flyers https://flic.kr/p/dSDcDC View on flic.kr https://flic.kr/p/dSDcDC Preview by Yahoo Just keep me advised on what's going on!! ~Melissa Thank you SO much for this info. We many only be talking buttons at this point. I'm targeting a deilivery of no later than July 15 to you for this. -- *From:* Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com *To:* OOo Apache dev@openoffice.apache.org *Cc:* Dennis Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org; Melissa Warnkin missywarn...@yahoo.com *Sent:* Saturday, June 21, 2014 6:27 PM *Subject:* Re: Apache@ OSCON question On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Kay Schenk wrote: This is a very nice offer, Dennis Thanks Dennis, indeed. What was on these popular pins that have been used n the past? Just the gull logo or ??? It looks like we could get some 1 circle pins very inexpensively if this is the case. You can see one of those pins at https://flic.kr/p/dsxSbi bottom right. So yes, they had just the orb. We also had pins with a different, tailor-cut, shape and the full logo. ah! OK -- this is basically what I was thinking. I would be happy to cover the cost of these and have them shipped to ASF headquarters in time for transport to OSCON. Production costs are not a problem, since the project can allocate budget as discussed several times here. They wouldn't say anything with just our current flat logo, but they would be good I think. Stickers are an option too, if you prefer... or we can make both! The only difficult thing is that we need someone to take care of taking specifications and adapting our logo to it. And also to actually supervise production and shipping. Regards, Andrea. OK -- I thought since we have an svg of the logo, this would be pretty easy...I'll look at some order sites again. Hopefully, this will be fairly easy to deal with. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it; Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. -- attributed to Johann Wolfgang von Goethe -- - MzK What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it; Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. -- attributed to Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Re: [HOMEPAGE][PROPOSAL] Alert box on top of webpage to announce important events
Hello Marcus! I like the fresh design of the download page. So I assembled my suggestions with your proposal in the attached picture. 1. Because there are more than one versions of AOO to download, there is no version after I want to download Apache OpenOffice. Instead 2. The new version alert is placed into the download box. 3. No destroy of the layout by the important message. 4. Click here to see who it is is now not necessary if there will be a hover » like in the other boxes. Regards, Mathias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [HOMEPAGE][PROPOSAL] Alert box on top of webpage to announce important events
Am 06/22/2014 07:13 PM, schrieb Mathias Röllig: I like the fresh design of the download page. So I assembled my suggestions with your proposal in the attached picture. thanks for the picture by PM. 1. Because there are more than one versions of AOO to download, there is no version after I want to download Apache OpenOffice. Instead Hm, I don't know where you got the screenshot from but on www.openoffice.org there is the most recent version shown. 2. The new version alert is placed into the download box. See #1. Shouldn't be necessary. IMHO also too much text that the user has to visualize. 3. No destroy of the layout by the important message. Does it really destroy the layout? Seems a question of taste. ;-) I tried to draw it through the complete page and not only above the menu but maybe it's better. What do the others think? 4. Click here to see who it is is now not necessary if there will be a hover » like in the other boxes. I don't understand what you want to reach with this. The user has to click on the link (however it is styled) to get, e.g., more information. Furthermore, I see the big red exclamation mark. First I also thought about to show a little graphic. But then it would be always visible - also when the text is not negative. Then it wouldn't fit and maybe leads to confusion. Thanks for you thoughts - even when I fear I haven't understood all of them. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Apache@ OSCON question
Hey Kay, You are SO welcome, I'm sure!! A delivery date of July 15th (to my residence) would be totally fine - I'll pack them in my luggage! Please let me know if you need further assistance, as I'd be more than happy to help!! Have a great rest of your weekend! ~M From: Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com To: Melissa Warnkin missywarn...@yahoo.com Cc: OOo Apache dev@openoffice.apache.org; Dennis Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Apache@ OSCON question On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Melissa Warnkin missywarn...@yahoo.com wrote: Good morning, Since we're talking about a compressed timeline, perhaps you want to consider placing the orders through the vendors I use in the US? I order stickers from: Sticker Mule, Custom Sticker Printing - Sticker Mule. They are very professional and provide a very quick turnaround time. Custom Sticker Printing - Sticker Mule Sticker Mule prints custom stickers, die cut stickers and laptop skins. Prices start at $49 for 50. Free shipping. View on www.stickermule.com Preview by Yahoo Pins I get from: Wacky Buttons, Make Buttons | Pin Buttons | Custom Buttons | Badge Pins | Pinback Buttons. They are very professional and provide a very quick turnaround time as well. Make Buttons | Pin Buttons | Custom Buttons | Badge Pin... We sell pinback button badges and specialize in making custom buttons. Create your own buttons online, Let us design them for free, or choose from our lar... View on www.wackybuttons.com Preview by Yahoo Wherever you order from, you can use my address to ship the items to: Melissa Warnkin 79 Bickel Road Washington, NJ 07882 908.343.3214 The items will be compact enough that I can even put them in my luggage, if I had to!! Regarding the roll-up banner: No, I do not have room at the booth for that. I've even eliminated sending the ASF vertical rollup due to lack of space. I'll have room for leaflets since they're folded like this: - A4 leaflets, in color (suitable b/w too) 11-flyers 11-flyers View on flic.kr Preview by Yahoo Just keep me advised on what's going on!! ~Melissa Thank you SO much for this info. We many only be talking buttons at this point. I'm targeting a deilivery of no later than July 15 to you for this. From: Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com To: OOo Apache dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Dennis Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org; Melissa Warnkin missywarn...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 6:27 PM Subject: Re: Apache@ OSCON question On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Kay Schenk wrote: This is a very nice offer, Dennis Thanks Dennis, indeed. What was on these popular pins that have been used n the past? Just the gull logo or ??? It looks like we could get some 1 circle pins very inexpensively if this is the case. You can see one of those pins at https://flic.kr/p/dsxSbi bottom right. So yes, they had just the orb. We also had pins with a different, tailor-cut, shape and the full logo. ah! OK -- this is basically what I was thinking. I would be happy to cover the cost of these and have them shipped to ASF headquarters in time for transport to OSCON. Production costs are not a problem, since the project can allocate budget as discussed several times here. They wouldn't say anything with just our current flat logo, but they would be good I think. Stickers are an option too, if you prefer... or we can make both! The only difficult thing is that we need someone to take care of taking specifications and adapting our logo to it. And also to actually supervise production and shipping. Regards, Andrea. OK -- I thought since we have an svg of the logo, this would be pretty easy...I'll look at some order sites again. Hopefully, this will be fairly easy to deal with. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it; Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. -- attributed to Johann Wolfgang von Goethe -- - MzK What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it; Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. -- attributed to Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Work on Change-Tracking
Louis, I ended my OASIS membership at renewal time in August 2013. I have not submitted any of my current work to the ODF TC or the W3C change-tracking community group. I occasionally glance at their lists and the JIRA, just to gauge what is going on. That is all. I will probably use the comment lists when my investigations uncover anything that might need repair in an errata. In May, I was inspired to look into change-tracking anew when I saw the interest of the OSB Alliance at http://www.osb-alliance.de/en/working-groups/projekte/major-features-in-loaoo/. Although I had not been thinking about it much, I realized that it is indeed possible to accomplish what they want by relatively simple repairs to the current ODF 1.2 approach. I had no interest in responding to the request for tender, however. I did start investigating ODF 1.2 tracked-changes, conducting tedious case analysis, and developing of a profile that could be used as an extension of what is already in ODF 1.2 and current implementations. It may well be much easier to describe than to implement, and that remains to be resolved. If there is to be implementation, it should be developed in Apache OpenOffice and thereby available to all other implementations in the openoffice.org lineage. I am unfolding this on a set of web pages. Currently, there is a bare skeleton, starting at http://nfoworks.org/notes/2014/05/n140501.htm and the other content that is linked to there. All of that work will be conducted in public and be available under Creative Commons Attribution license. I don't expect there to be any code, although I foresee a suite of test documents that do not disturb current software while including the foreign attributes that support the repairing extensions. Coincidentally, I have been encouraged to submit to a forthcoming workshop. If my submission is accepted, there will be presentation of progress and a short paper in 3rd Quarter, 2014. The work is just starting. Here is an abstract: Editing of word-processing documents at the presentation level, with visible tracking of changes, operates at a different level of abstraction and granularity than representation of the document in common document-file formats. The consequent mismatches are demonstrated using OpenDocument format provisions for tracked changes. A selection-copy analogy is introduced for bridging the abstraction levels while adhering to file-format provisions. The enhancements improve reliability and interoperability and are implementable incrementally without obsoleting current software and documents. Here's something I needed so that I could link my analysis to it. It was fun to figure out how to accomplish in a reliable way: http://nfoworks.org/notes/2014/05/n140504f1.htm. -- Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org+1-206-779-9430 https://keybase.io/orcmid PGP F96E 89FF D456 628A -Original Message- From: Louis Suárez-Potts [mailto:lui...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 01:06 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; Dennis E. Hamilton Cc: Andrea Pescetti; Kay Schenk; Melissa Warnkin Subject: Re: Apache@ OSCON question HI Dennis, *, On 21 Jun 2014, at 21:01, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I am willing to make a day trip from Seattle to the OSCON Expo Hall. That is affordable for me and appealing if can meet ASF and especially AOO folks that I have not yet met in person. (I have started some work on change- tracking for which there might be discussion interest as well.) Are you demonstrating this work on the Oasis lists? I don't follow the office@ list any longer. And by change tracking, what do you mean, exactly? If that's too broad a question, feel free to ignore it or answer off list, if it seems beside the point of this list to you. [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Portuguese download broken
Am 06/22/2014 07:54 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 19/06/2014 Marcus (OOo) wrote: I've looked again to Andrea's idea to outsource the JS creation of the green box into a separate file and think now it's great with regard to other NL webpages. Then only one file needs to be changed and it will work for all - for all that have included the JS function call. ... Thanks! I created msg_prop_l10n_it.js and used the new boxed download to repair http://www.openoffice.org/it/download/ that is now looking much nicer and far easier to maintain hopefully. yes, hopefully. Let's see what the target audience will say. ;-) [Kay] I think the right side of the page -- the additional items should be just be left intact as a block and let volunteers translate/change this as they see fit rather than construct it with javascript. This increases the complexity for the translators. For the colored boxes they have to translate just a JS file that contains all strings. But for the nav bar it's needed to translate the content directly in the HTML file? Hm. Here it is very good to have the different boxes available. For example, translators may want to use the right column for information about specific resources. In that case, they will hand-code that div instead of relying on the generated JavaScript. For the Italian download page we use custom links, and thus we build a custom div, no problem. I've added all colored boxes, the nav bar and the little logo section to the separate file (plus all the strings into the msg_prop_l10n_ISO-code.js) as separate functions. Now you have the full freedom: Use it when it fits for the respective webpage or translate yourself. :-) Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Apache Open Office for Android users
I would like to use Apache open office on a Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet. The tablet uses the Android operating system. Please help or advise me on this. Micah Villarreal 956 874 3365
Re: Apache Open Office for Android users
Hi, 2014-06-22 20:20 GMT+02:00 Micah Villarreal mi...@tiresonwheelsllc.com: I would like to use Apache open office on a Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet. The tablet uses the Android operating system. Please help or advise me on this. Look at Playstore for Andropenoffice. -- Good Luck Detlef - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Apache Open Office for Android users
Forwarding to Micah. See also http://www.openoffice.org/porting/ . Andrea On 22/06/2014 Detlef Nannen wrote: Hi, 2014-06-22 20:20 GMT+02:00 Micah Villarreal mi...@tiresonwheelsllc.com: I would like to use Apache open office on a Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet. The tablet uses the Android operating system. Please help or advise me on this. Look at Playstore for Andropenoffice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [HOMEPAGE][PROPOSAL] Alert box on top of webpage to announce important events
Am 06/22/2014 05:38 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 21/06/2014 Marcus (OOo) wrote: a new idea came into my mind: In the past we had some events where an announcement was helpful. So, we added some hardcoded text on top to a webpage (e.g., Wiki is down). To get this done in a more dynamically way I created this: http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/index_alert.html Well, that looks much nicer than what we have had so far, including the big headline New: Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 released!. this line has a big advantage that you just have to change one file to show the text everywhere. I don't want to get rid of this great feature. Sure, the styling is a different topic. At the moment it's just static in this HTML file. But if accepted it should be the target to place it in a separate file to get it integrated in other webpages, too. Opinions? If we are to use this space for announcements, it's OK to have it on the homepage only. But, as Ariel once wrote, we could also look into including the Bootstrap CSS framework to this aim, since it guarantees cross-browser compatibility, it leaves room for customization with plain CSS and it comes with a number of pre-defined styles, see for example http://getbootstrap.com/css/#helper-classes ; so we could have some common functionality out of the box. Yes. However, any help from external CSS or JavaScript libraries needs some time to learn and is a thing for rainy weekends. I'll have a look as I see the advantages also for nice stylings that look the same in every browser. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[WEBSITE][QUESTION] How to update files in .../ooo-site/trunk/templates/ ?
Hi, short question: Any updates to files in: .../ooo-site/trunk/templates/ will lead to a sledgehammer change, right? If so, how to do any change to files in these directories? Thanks Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [WEBSITE][QUESTION] How to update files in .../ooo-site/trunk/templates/ ?
On 06/22/2014 02:34 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Hi, short question: Any updates to files in: .../ooo-site/trunk/templates/ will lead to a sledgehammer change, right? If so, how to do any change to files in these directories? Thanks Marcus Well sledgehammer changes aren't as bad as they used to be when we first started out due to some upgrades by infra on all this. The short answer is, if you need to do it, you do it, after verification in your local sandbox of course. ;) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it; Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. -- attributed to Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Portuguese download broken
On 06/22/2014 11:31 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 06/22/2014 07:54 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 19/06/2014 Marcus (OOo) wrote: I've looked again to Andrea's idea to outsource the JS creation of the green box into a separate file and think now it's great with regard to other NL webpages. Then only one file needs to be changed and it will work for all - for all that have included the JS function call. ... Thanks! I created msg_prop_l10n_it.js and used the new boxed download to repair http://www.openoffice.org/it/download/ that is now looking much nicer and far easier to maintain hopefully. yes, hopefully. Let's see what the target audience will say. ;-) [Kay] I think the right side of the page -- the additional items should be just be left intact as a block and let volunteers translate/change this as they see fit rather than construct it with javascript. This increases the complexity for the translators. For the colored boxes they have to translate just a JS file that contains all strings. But for the nav bar it's needed to translate the content directly in the HTML file? Hm. Here it is very good to have the different boxes available. For example, translators may want to use the right column for information about specific resources. In that case, they will hand-code that div instead of relying on the generated JavaScript. For the Italian download page we use custom links, and thus we build a custom div, no problem. I've added all colored boxes, the nav bar and the little logo section to the separate file (plus all the strings into the msg_prop_l10n_ISO-code.js) as separate functions. Now you have the full freedom: Use it when it fits for the respective webpage or translate yourself. :-) Marcus OK, I took a look at what you have going in /download/test and I think this version is pretty good. What you've done by isolating the box creations is good if we want to enable them or not for certain sites. So, I am going to use this later version to port to new /download areas for the native language sites that don't have this structure...yet. then we can call for volunteers to help with the rest of translation. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it; Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. -- attributed to Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Portuguese download broken
Am 06/23/2014 12:42 AM, schrieb Kay Schenk: On 06/22/2014 11:31 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 06/22/2014 07:54 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 19/06/2014 Marcus (OOo) wrote: I've looked again to Andrea's idea to outsource the JS creation of the green box into a separate file and think now it's great with regard to other NL webpages. Then only one file needs to be changed and it will work for all - for all that have included the JS function call. ... Thanks! I created msg_prop_l10n_it.js and used the new boxed download to repair http://www.openoffice.org/it/download/ that is now looking much nicer and far easier to maintain hopefully. yes, hopefully. Let's see what the target audience will say. ;-) [Kay] I think the right side of the page -- the additional items should be just be left intact as a block and let volunteers translate/change this as they see fit rather than construct it with javascript. This increases the complexity for the translators. For the colored boxes they have to translate just a JS file that contains all strings. But for the nav bar it's needed to translate the content directly in the HTML file? Hm. Here it is very good to have the different boxes available. For example, translators may want to use the right column for information about specific resources. In that case, they will hand-code that div instead of relying on the generated JavaScript. For the Italian download page we use custom links, and thus we build a custom div, no problem. I've added all colored boxes, the nav bar and the little logo section to the separate file (plus all the strings into the msg_prop_l10n_ISO-code.js) as separate functions. Now you have the full freedom: Use it when it fits for the respective webpage or translate yourself. :-) Marcus OK, I took a look at what you have going in /download/test and I think this version is pretty good. What you've done by isolating the box creations is good if we want to enable them or not for certain sites. So, I am going to use this later version to port to new /download areas for the native language sites that don't have this structure...yet. then we can call for volunteers to help with the rest of translation. great, Andrea has changed the Italian website today and I've changed the German website some days ago. I'm eager to see some more pages changed. If you or anybody else need help with this, please don't hesitate to tell me. Good night for today. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Portuguese download broken
On 06/22/2014 03:58 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 06/23/2014 12:42 AM, schrieb Kay Schenk: On 06/22/2014 11:31 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 06/22/2014 07:54 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 19/06/2014 Marcus (OOo) wrote: I've looked again to Andrea's idea to outsource the JS creation of the green box into a separate file and think now it's great with regard to other NL webpages. Then only one file needs to be changed and it will work for all - for all that have included the JS function call. ... Thanks! I created msg_prop_l10n_it.js and used the new boxed download to repair http://www.openoffice.org/it/download/ that is now looking much nicer and far easier to maintain hopefully. yes, hopefully. Let's see what the target audience will say. ;-) [Kay] I think the right side of the page -- the additional items should be just be left intact as a block and let volunteers translate/change this as they see fit rather than construct it with javascript. This increases the complexity for the translators. For the colored boxes they have to translate just a JS file that contains all strings. But for the nav bar it's needed to translate the content directly in the HTML file? Hm. Here it is very good to have the different boxes available. For example, translators may want to use the right column for information about specific resources. In that case, they will hand-code that div instead of relying on the generated JavaScript. For the Italian download page we use custom links, and thus we build a custom div, no problem. I've added all colored boxes, the nav bar and the little logo section to the separate file (plus all the strings into the msg_prop_l10n_ISO-code.js) as separate functions. Now you have the full freedom: Use it when it fits for the respective webpage or translate yourself. :-) Marcus OK, I took a look at what you have going in /download/test and I think this version is pretty good. What you've done by isolating the box creations is good if we want to enable them or not for certain sites. So, I am going to use this later version to port to new /download areas for the native language sites that don't have this structure...yet. then we can call for volunteers to help with the rest of translation. great, Andrea has changed the Italian website today and I've changed the German website some days ago. I'm eager to see some more pages changed. If you or anybody else need help with this, please don't hesitate to tell me. Good night for today. Marcus oh boy -- I just noticed that in download/test, in my browser the explanatory items at the bottom on the green DL box are covered up. The one that's currently in /download doesn't render this way. And, well, I think for the sites that already HAD a /download area with the old DL box before these changes, I will just use part of these new changes to simplify things (the new green DL box). All of these old sites had everything translated en masse, and substituting message strings on them is a lot to do. :/ I did need to change optionset names to match the new ones to do this. Thanks for all your work on this. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it; Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. -- attributed to Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Vorschläge zur zukünftigen Handhabung der dev-de-Liste - Verständnisfrage
Hallo Günter, From: Guenter Marxen [mailto:guenter.mar...@gmail.com] Ich kann nicht erkennen, dass einige weitergeleitete Mails eine Liste kaputt machen, was immer Dein Argument ist/war (und das sogar bei der User-Liste formuliert hast). Zudem bin ich der grundsätzlichen Meinung, dass Verbote und rigide Regeln einer Gemeinschaft nur schaden. In diesen beiden Punkten unterscheiden wir uns fundamental. Dann frasge ich mich wie du Dich hier wohlfühlst denn Regeln (die Du eanscheinend regide nennst) gibt es hier von Anbeginn, seit Zeiten von OOo, nämlich unsere gemeinsam beschlossene Netikette: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/DE/Mailingliste_Technik-Pointer Warum hat Dich das über Jahre scheinbar nicht gestört? Was Du hier tust, ist nicht in Ordnung Günter, denn wenn Dui Probleme mit meinem Verrhalöten hast dann kritisiere genau mein Verhalten bzw. auch mich und übertrage Deine Kritik nicht stellvertretend auf Dinge die bisher in der Community sinnvoll geregelt waren. Daher mein Plädoyer für Toleranz und eine gewisse Freiheit. Warum gewisse Freiheit, hier sollte volle Freiheit für jeden von uns bestehen an gemeinsamen Entscheidungen gleichberechtigt mitzuwirken. Allerdings können nicht immer alle ein und derselben Meinung sin und da erfordert Freiheit von uns allen dann auch Tolereanz Dinge mitzutragen die die Mehrheit will. WAS SOLL ICH DEINER MEINUNG NACH TUN? Großzügiger sein. Lieber Günter, ich habe von einem erwachsenen Menschen auf eine einfache Frage eine Antwort erhalten (womit ich betonen will das die Antwort nicht etwa ein Kompromiss war sondern dessen freie Entscheidung) und er hält sich dann nicht daran. Warum soll ich da größzügig sein? Ich erachte sowas als direkte Verae. WARUM Du, Günter, inzwischen absurder argumentierst als Michael weist Du, Günter, wahrscheinlich selbst nicht. Doch. Siehe oben. Dann solltest *DU* Moderastor werden. Dich hier hinzustellen und gegen Kompromisse zu sein die zwischen den konkret Handelnden mühevoll zustandegekommen sind ist jedenfalls billig und auch destruktiv. Gruß Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-de-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-de-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Einen ersten Punkt abstimmen (was: Vorschlag zum weiteren Vorgehen)
Hallo, From: Dr. Michael Stehmann [mailto:anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de] -1, denn es muss IMO mindestens drei Ausnahmen geben: 1. Postings von Menschen, die hier angemeldet sind, aber unter einer nicht angemeldeten Mailadresse posten (Fall Günter M.). Es wäre in der Regel sinnfrei, solche Postings an die users-de weiterzuleiten. 2. Postings von Menschen, die hier nicht angemeldet sind, aber konkret auf ein hiesiges Posting antworten (Fall Günter M.). Es wäre sinnfrei, solche Postings an die users-de weiterzuleiten. Hier hat der Moderator - wie ich es hinsichtlich der users-de handhabe - den Poster über die Tunlichkeit des Einschreibens zu informieren. Dies kann durchaus etwas nachdrücklicher geschehen, als ich es hinsichtlich der users-de handhabe. Postings, die gänzlich unsachlich sind oder Verbalinjurien enthalten, sind auch in diesem Falle nicht weiterzuleiten, sondern zu rejecten. Ob in diesem Fall der Poster über die Gründe hierfür unterrichtet wird, liegt inm Ermessen des Moderators. Die Postings, die unter 1. und 2. fallen, sind an die dev-de weiterzuleiten, denn bei diesen Postings überwiegt das Interesse des Projektes an ihrer Kenntnisnahme. 3. Spam ist nicht an die users-de weiterzuleiten, sondern ohne Weiteres zu rejecten. Alle diese Ausnahmen sind imho von meinem Abstimmungvorschlag erfasst, denn es handelt sich um 'wohlbegründeten Fälle', das ist doch völlig offensichtlich. (Michael, bei allem Respekt, es ist wirklich provozierend ohne Ende das Du meinst mir andeuten zu müssen ich hätte Spam vergessen aufzuführen, hinsichtlich dessen was damit zu tun ist. Genau hier simnd wir bei Toleranz und gutem Einvernehmen diue Günter fordert, oder bin ich blind?) Und nun? Dürfen wir jetzt auf Deine Zustimmung rechnen oder verweigerst Du Dich weiterhin einer klaren Regelung. Oder soll ich die Abstimmung formal erneut starten, weil Du der Meinung bist das bereits abgegebene Stimmen deshalb nicht zählen weil die Gefahr bestünde das diese mit Deinen Ergänzungen nicht einverstanden sind? Ich starte die Abstimmung neu wenn Du das verlangst, dann sage aber klar das das der Fall ist. (Ich selbst halte es für überflüssig.) Es sollte für die dev-de aus gegebenen Anlass eine weitere Regel geben: Antwortet ein Moderator dem Poster auf ein Posting, sind grundsätzlich die übrigen Moderatoren ins Bcc zu nehmen, um sie zu unterrichten. Ja, völlig sinnvoller Vorschlag, passt genau zu dem Punkt: -über die technische Umsetzung haben sich die Moderatoren (noch) zu verständigen Und ich gebe dafür sofort mein +1 und werde das selbst genauso handhaben, sobald feststeht das die von mir initierte Abstimmung mehrheitlich Zuspruch findet und damit dann in Kraft gesetzt wird. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-de-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-de-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Hallo Dave, war: Re: Vorschläge zur zukünftigen Handhabung der dev-de-Liste - Verständnisfrage
Hallo Günter, From: Guenter Marxen [mailto:guenter.mar...@gmail.com] Hallo Dave, Am 21.06.2014 19:01, schrieb Dave: In diesen beiden Punkten unterscheiden wir uns fundamental. Daher mein Plädoyer für Toleranz und eine gewisse Freiheit. Eine fundamentale Unterscheidung klingt aber nicht sehr nach Toleranz. würdest Du doch wenigstens schweigen, wenn Du noch nicht mal die Bedeutung der Begriffe kennst. Was soll das? Ich wiederhole mich nochmals mit der Situationsbeschreibung: Es gibt hier massiven Streit. Nachdem nun endlich ein Punkt von den beiden 'Hauptstreitparteien' akzeptiert zu werden scheint, tauchst Du plötzlich mit einer Aussage auf die sich gegen diesen Kompromiss stellt. Warum tust Du das? Gruß Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-de-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-de-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Einen ersten Punkt abstimmen (was: Vorschlag zum weiteren Vorgehen)
Ergänzung/Bitte zur, bereits laufenden, Abstimmung Hallo Zusammen, um meinerseits das Mögliche zu tun das wir nicht nochmal neu eine Abstimmung beginnen möchten möche ich hier anregen, das diejenigen die bereits abgestimt haben quasi nachgträglich zur Kenntnis nehmen das die in meiner Aussage: -Ausnahmen sind nicht ausgeschlossen jedoch nur in wirklich nur in wohlbegründeten Fällen zu machen benannten Ausnahmen zumindestens in folgenden 2 Fällen als gegeben anzusehen sind: 1. Postings von Menschen, die hier angemeldet sind, aber unter einer nicht angemeldeten Mailadresse posten (Fall Günter M.). Es wäre in der Regel sinnfrei, solche Postings an die users-de weiterzuleiten. 2. Postings von Menschen, die hier nicht angemeldet sind, aber konkret auf ein hiesiges Posting antworten (Fall Günter M.). Es wäre sinnfrei, solche Postings an die users-de weiterzuleiten. Außerdem wird gesondert betont das: Spam ist nicht an die users-de weiterzuleiten Mein Vorschlag wäre das ihr diese Dinge nachträglich aktzeptiert, denn ich sehe auch nicht das außerhalb dessen liegen was der Begriff wohlbegründeten Fällen beschreibt. Sollte jemand (auch Michael) gegen diese stille Anerkenntnis sein, werde ich die Abstimmung neu starten unter expliziter Ergänzung dieser Punkte. Gruß Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-de-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-de-h...@openoffice.apache.org
