RE: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Ah, found it.

As I said separately when I couldn't find this message, it is best to put the 
actually-used build commands in the source-code tree itself, so that no matter 
how things change over time, each release has what was used to build the 
project-distributed binaries with it.

 - Dennis

> -Original Message-
> From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org]
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 15:09
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer
> 
> Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> >> From: Patricia Shanahan
> >> I started with
> >>
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide/Building_o
> >> n_Windows,
> >> but hit some issues and want to make sure I'm using the right guide.
> 
> The first line of that page says
> 
> "This page is archived for historical reasons only. It is no longer
> maintained and information may not be current."
> 
> If you missed it, many others may miss it. I've now created a wiki
> account for you (you will shortly receive a temporary password by mail)
> so that you can fix this and/or other issues you may find: of course
> this is best done by someone who is relatively new to the project.
> 
> > There may be additional information.  The easiest way is to find out
> exactly what the build parameters were  for the 4.1.2 release (which
> should be in the source code archive for that release).
> 
> No, they are not part of the source release. They never were. But this
> time I do have specs of all the systems and build flags we sued, so that
> we can aim at having a reproducible build. I'll put them somewhere in
> SVN (or would the wiki be better?).
> 
> Regards,
>Andrea.
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RE: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Patricia,

I am in constant despair of what it takes to use Windows to build a Windows 
install of AOO, if only to confirm the build that was used in a release.

If you have succeeded, can you share your build parameters and anything you 
learned about the instructions with regard to dependencies that must be 
satisfied for the build to work?

Since the Windows buildbot is not even running any longer, it is apparently 
necessary to endure this gauntlet to even be able to test anything.

My beginners-mind is failing me on this one.

 - Dennis (aka orc...@apache.org)

> -Original Message-
> From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org]
> Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 03:11
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer
> 
> On 11/2/2015 2:33 AM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org>
> wrote:
> ...
> >> "Install cygwin, 32bit version"
> >>
> >> Do I really have to go to 32-bit Cygwin? I have a fine 64-bit Cygwin
> >> already running on my 16 GB memory system.
> >>
> >>
> > I am not sure what impact the bitness of Cygwin has on the build, but
> as I
> > discovered recently, AOO doesn't build on Win64.
> >
> > How are your efforts with AOO development going otherwise Patricia? Do
> you
> > need any help or development ideas?
> >
> 
> I am still working through the instructions for getting ready to build -
> I have some other non-software projects that will take a lot of my time
> this week.
> 
> By "Win64" do you mean any 64-bit MS-Windows system? If so, that is a
> very serious issue. I do development on a 64-bit Windows 8.1 system. Has
> anyone successfully built on that OS?
> 
> I am experimenting with installing Linux on other computers, but none of
> them has the compute power, memory, or monitor size for serious
> development.
> 
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Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[Patricia Shanahan]

I have finished my non-software project, so building AOO is now at the
top of my project list.

I am working through the instructions, keeping a log of issues and
difficulties I encounter.

One thought to consider: Is is possible that difficulty building AOO in 
one of the commonest desktop environments, 64-bit MS-Windows, is one of 
the reasons for difficulty attracting developers?


More and more developers are unfamiliar with Bash and similar shells. 
The requirement to use Cygwin is not going to stop me because I've been 
using UNIX-like shells for over 30 years, but I would much prefer to use 
an IDE.


Patricia

On 11/7/2015 9:32 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

Patricia,

I am in constant despair of what it takes to use Windows to build a
Windows install of AOO, if only to confirm the build that was used in
a release.

If you have succeeded, can you share your build parameters and
anything you learned about the instructions with regard to
dependencies that must be satisfied for the build to work?

Since the Windows buildbot is not even running any longer, it is
apparently necessary to endure this gauntlet to even be able to test
anything.

My beginners-mind is failing me on this one.

- Dennis (aka orc...@apache.org)


-Original Message- From: Patricia Shanahan
[mailto:p...@acm.org] Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 03:11 To:
dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Thinking of joining
OpenOffice as a developer

On 11/2/2015 2:33 AM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Patricia Shanahan
<p...@acm.org>

wrote: ...

"Install cygwin, 32bit version"

Do I really have to go to 32-bit Cygwin? I have a fine 64-bit
Cygwin already running on my 16 GB memory system.



I am not sure what impact the bitness of Cygwin has on the build,
but

as I

discovered recently, AOO doesn't build on Win64.

How are your efforts with AOO development going otherwise
Patricia? Do

you

need any help or development ideas?



I am still working through the instructions for getting ready to
build - I have some other non-software projects that will take a
lot of my time this week.

By "Win64" do you mean any 64-bit MS-Windows system? If so, that is
a very serious issue. I do development on a 64-bit Windows 8.1
system. Has anyone successfully built on that OS?

I am experimenting with installing Linux on other computers, but
none of them has the compute power, memory, or monitor size for
serious development.


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RE: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

> -Original Message-
> From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org]
> Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 18:40
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer
> 
> I have finished my non-software project, so building AOO is now at the
> top of my project list.
> 
> I am working through the instructions, keeping a log of issues and
> difficulties I encounter.
> 
> One thought to consider: Is is possible that difficulty building AOO in
> one of the commonest desktop environments, 64-bit MS-Windows, is one of
> the reasons for difficulty attracting developers?

[orcmid] 
I share your suspicion, but I have no hard data other than my own reaction.

Now that there are the Visual Studio Community Editions, it is difficult to 
justify all of the contortions there are between Cygwin's "file system" and the 
native system that the cl.exe and related tools are going to be depended on 
from Cygwin.

I also note, but have been drawn away from it for other duties, that Windows 
batch scripts will run just fine under Cygwin and those might be a better way 
to bridge even from CygWin to the Microsoft tools and libraries.  (I worked 
this out with MSYS2 and it seems to work just fine with CygWin too.)  Those 
batch scripts can then use the developer setups for paths and whatnot and not 
mess with the Windows registry.  Which is to say, even if CygWin is used for 
the overall build process, there are better ways to switch back and forth 
between the Windows tools and the CygWin utilities used.
> 
> More and more developers are unfamiliar with Bash and similar shells.
> The requirement to use Cygwin is not going to stop me because I've been
> using UNIX-like shells for over 30 years, but I would much prefer to use
> an IDE.
> 
> Patricia
> 
> On 11/7/2015 9:32 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> > Patricia,
> >
> > I am in constant despair of what it takes to use Windows to build a
> > Windows install of AOO, if only to confirm the build that was used in
> > a release.
> >
> > If you have succeeded, can you share your build parameters and
> > anything you learned about the instructions with regard to
> > dependencies that must be satisfied for the build to work?
> >
> > Since the Windows buildbot is not even running any longer, it is
> > apparently necessary to endure this gauntlet to even be able to test
> > anything.
> >
> > My beginners-mind is failing me on this one.
> >
> > - Dennis (aka orc...@apache.org)
> >
> >> -Original Message- From: Patricia Shanahan
> >> [mailto:p...@acm.org] Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 03:11 To:
> >> dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Thinking of joining
> >> OpenOffice as a developer
> >>
> >> On 11/2/2015 2:33 AM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Patricia Shanahan
> >>> <p...@acm.org>
> >> wrote: ...
> >>>> "Install cygwin, 32bit version"
> >>>>
> >>>> Do I really have to go to 32-bit Cygwin? I have a fine 64-bit
> >>>> Cygwin already running on my 16 GB memory system.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> I am not sure what impact the bitness of Cygwin has on the build,
> >>> but
> >> as I
> >>> discovered recently, AOO doesn't build on Win64.
> >>>
> >>> How are your efforts with AOO development going otherwise
> >>> Patricia? Do
> >> you
> >>> need any help or development ideas?
> >>>
> >>
> >> I am still working through the instructions for getting ready to
> >> build - I have some other non-software projects that will take a
> >> lot of my time this week.
> >>
> >> By "Win64" do you mean any 64-bit MS-Windows system? If so, that is
> >> a very serious issue. I do development on a 64-bit Windows 8.1
> >> system. Has anyone successfully built on that OS?
> >>
> >> I am experimenting with installing Linux on other computers, but
> >> none of them has the compute power, memory, or monitor size for
> >> serious development.
> >>
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Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 03:10:40 -0800
Patricia Shanahan  wrote:

> On 11/2/2015 2:33 AM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:
> ...
> >> "Install cygwin, 32bit version"
> >>
> >> Do I really have to go to 32-bit Cygwin? I have a fine 64-bit Cygwin
> >> already running on my 16 GB memory system.
> >>
> >>
> > I am not sure what impact the bitness of Cygwin has on the build, but as I
> > discovered recently, AOO doesn't build on Win64.
> >
> > How are your efforts with AOO development going otherwise Patricia? Do you
> > need any help or development ideas?
> >
> 
> I am still working through the instructions for getting ready to build - 
> I have some other non-software projects that will take a lot of my time 
> this week.
> 
> By "Win64" do you mean any 64-bit MS-Windows system? If so, that is a 
> very serious issue. I do development on a 64-bit Windows 8.1 system. Has 
> anyone successfully built on that OS?
> 
> I am experimenting with installing Linux on other computers, but none of 
> them has the compute power, memory, or monitor size for serious development.
> 

My thoughts are that the most important factor in development is monitor 
size/usage. I use a double monitor setup - 1280x1024 and 1650x1050 and it is 
quite adequate.  If I were to replace a monitor now, I'd consider a 2650 x 1440.

For memory, all my machines are 4GB (old machines) and their chips run at about 
4000 Bogomips per core (2 core CPUs).  The major manifestation of slow CPUs 
will be long compile times; editing is OK if you keep the number of concurrent 
processes low (IDE code editor, email and Browser would be ny typical setup, 
running on Xubuntu 15.10) 

-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

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Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[Damjan Jovanovic]

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:

> On 10/29/2015 10:56 AM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:
>>
> ...
>
>> What is the best guide to building AOO on Windows 8?
>>>
>>> I started with
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide/Building_on_Windows
>>> ,
>>> but hit some issues and want to make sure I'm using the right guide.
>>>
>>>
>> Hi Patricia
>>
>> I used this building guide on Windows:
>>
>> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Windows_7
>>
>> If you have any problems building feel free to mail this list. Windows
>> doesn't always build cleanly for me either.
>>
>> Oh and a big welcome to AOO. I like Apache River too btw :-).
>>
>
> "Install cygwin, 32bit version"
>
> Do I really have to go to 32-bit Cygwin? I have a fine 64-bit Cygwin
> already running on my 16 GB memory system.
>
>
I am not sure what impact the bitness of Cygwin has on the build, but as I
discovered recently, AOO doesn't build on Win64.

How are your efforts with AOO development going otherwise Patricia? Do you
need any help or development ideas?

Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[Patricia Shanahan]

On 11/2/2015 2:33 AM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:

...

"Install cygwin, 32bit version"

Do I really have to go to 32-bit Cygwin? I have a fine 64-bit Cygwin
already running on my 16 GB memory system.



I am not sure what impact the bitness of Cygwin has on the build, but as I
discovered recently, AOO doesn't build on Win64.

How are your efforts with AOO development going otherwise Patricia? Do you
need any help or development ideas?



I am still working through the instructions for getting ready to build - 
I have some other non-software projects that will take a lot of my time 
this week.


By "Win64" do you mean any 64-bit MS-Windows system? If so, that is a 
very serious issue. I do development on a 64-bit Windows 8.1 system. Has 
anyone successfully built on that OS?


I am experimenting with installing Linux on other computers, but none of 
them has the compute power, memory, or monitor size for serious development.



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Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[Damjan Jovanovic]

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:

> On 11/2/2015 2:33 AM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:
>>
> ...
>
>> "Install cygwin, 32bit version"
>>>
>>> Do I really have to go to 32-bit Cygwin? I have a fine 64-bit Cygwin
>>> already running on my 16 GB memory system.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not sure what impact the bitness of Cygwin has on the build, but as
>> I
>> discovered recently, AOO doesn't build on Win64.
>>
>> How are your efforts with AOO development going otherwise Patricia? Do you
>> need any help or development ideas?
>>
>>
> I am still working through the instructions for getting ready to build - I
> have some other non-software projects that will take a lot of my time this
> week.
>
> By "Win64" do you mean any 64-bit MS-Windows system? If so, that is a very
> serious issue. I do development on a 64-bit Windows 8.1 system. Has anyone
> successfully built on that OS?
>
>
You can build 32 bit AOO binaries on 64-bit Windows, but you cannot build
64 bit AOO Windows binaries anywhere, it still needs to be ported there.


> I am experimenting with installing Linux on other computers, but none of
> them has the compute power, memory, or monitor size for serious development.
>
>
Linux virtualises well, and builds significantly faster than Windows.

Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[Patricia Shanahan]

On 10/29/2015 8:06 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:

Hello;

First of all, a warm welcome to Patricia. Java developers are
particularly welcome at this stage!

Just IMHO, the C++ side of AOO is either under-control or
too-ugly-to care-about, so we would do good focus more on the
Java parts, which are also somewhat ugly but still promising.

Once you get the code to build, some things that could be looked into:

- We are using some very old Java code for things that are in modern
JDKs:
Stax is one of them .. it looks very easy to get rid of.
Apache Commons is another one (LibreOffice recently replaced it),
Rhino could be replaced with project Nashorn.

- Then there’s a lot of space for new Java development:

We could make better use of Apache Lucene and tomcat.
We could probably find uses for Apache POI
We could probably use pdfbox to import pdf (just speculating,
we have some C code for that that still needs fixes)

I am sure there is more to do, just hope that gives you some hints ;)


That gives me a starting place. I was trying to decide whether to begin 
by learning AOO building or to begin with C++ review and update.



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Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[Pedro Giffuni]

Hello;

First of all, a warm welcome to Patricia. Java developers are
particularly welcome at this stage!

Just IMHO, the C++ side of AOO is either under-control or
too-ugly-to care-about, so we would do good focus more on the
Java parts, which are also somewhat ugly but still promising.

Once you get the code to build, some things that could be looked into:

- We are using some very old Java code for things that are in modern
JDKs:
Stax is one of them .. it looks very easy to get rid of.
Apache Commons is another one (LibreOffice recently replaced it),
Rhino could be replaced with project Nashorn.

- Then there’s a lot of space for new Java development:

We could make better use of Apache Lucene and tomcat.
We could probably find uses for Apache POI
We could probably use pdfbox to import pdf (just speculating,
we have some C code for that that still needs fixes)

I am sure there is more to do, just hope that gives you some hints ;)

Pedro.



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RE: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Thanks, Patricia,
> -Original Message-
> From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org]
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 10:32
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer
> 
[ ... ]
> What is the best guide to building AOO on Windows 8?
> 
> I started with
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide/Building_o
> n_Windows,
> but hit some issues and want to make sure I'm using the right guide.
[orcmid] 

There may be additional information.  The easiest way is to find out exactly 
what the build parameters were  for the 4.1.2 release (which should be in the 
source code archive for that release).  

Then there might be adjustments for building from the SVN trunk.

That is what I would attempt myself.  Expert developers who built the Windows 
versions can say more about what works to get a build that matches what is used 
for a distribution (and a debugging-build equivalent).


 - Dennis
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Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[Damjan Jovanovic]

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:

> On 10/29/2015 9:12 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>
>> On 10/29/2015 8:06 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>>
>>> Hello;
>>>
>>> First of all, a warm welcome to Patricia. Java developers are
>>> particularly welcome at this stage!
>>>
>>> Just IMHO, the C++ side of AOO is either under-control or
>>> too-ugly-to care-about, so we would do good focus more on the
>>> Java parts, which are also somewhat ugly but still promising.
>>>
>>> Once you get the code to build, some things that could be looked into:
>>>
>>> - We are using some very old Java code for things that are in modern
>>> JDKs:
>>> Stax is one of them .. it looks very easy to get rid of.
>>> Apache Commons is another one (LibreOffice recently replaced it),
>>> Rhino could be replaced with project Nashorn.
>>>
>>> - Then there’s a lot of space for new Java development:
>>>
>>> We could make better use of Apache Lucene and tomcat.
>>> We could probably find uses for Apache POI
>>> We could probably use pdfbox to import pdf (just speculating,
>>> we have some C code for that that still needs fixes)
>>>
>>> I am sure there is more to do, just hope that gives you some hints ;)
>>>
>>
>> That gives me a starting place. I was trying to decide whether to begin
>> by learning AOO building or to begin with C++ review and update.
>>
>
> What is the best guide to building AOO on Windows 8?
>
> I started with
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide/Building_on_Windows,
> but hit some issues and want to make sure I'm using the right guide.
>

Hi Patricia

I used this building guide on Windows:
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Windows_7

If you have any problems building feel free to mail this list. Windows
doesn't always build cleanly for me either.

Oh and a big welcome to AOO. I like Apache River too btw :-).

Damjan

Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[Patricia Shanahan]

On 10/29/2015 9:12 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:

On 10/29/2015 8:06 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:

Hello;

First of all, a warm welcome to Patricia. Java developers are
particularly welcome at this stage!

Just IMHO, the C++ side of AOO is either under-control or
too-ugly-to care-about, so we would do good focus more on the
Java parts, which are also somewhat ugly but still promising.

Once you get the code to build, some things that could be looked into:

- We are using some very old Java code for things that are in modern
JDKs:
Stax is one of them .. it looks very easy to get rid of.
Apache Commons is another one (LibreOffice recently replaced it),
Rhino could be replaced with project Nashorn.

- Then there’s a lot of space for new Java development:

We could make better use of Apache Lucene and tomcat.
We could probably find uses for Apache POI
We could probably use pdfbox to import pdf (just speculating,
we have some C code for that that still needs fixes)

I am sure there is more to do, just hope that gives you some hints ;)


That gives me a starting place. I was trying to decide whether to begin
by learning AOO building or to begin with C++ review and update.


What is the best guide to building AOO on Windows 8?

I started with 
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide/Building_on_Windows, 
but hit some issues and want to make sure I'm using the right guide.


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Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[Andrea Pescetti]

Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

From: Patricia Shanahan
I started with
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide/Building_o
n_Windows,
but hit some issues and want to make sure I'm using the right guide.


The first line of that page says

"This page is archived for historical reasons only. It is no longer 
maintained and information may not be current."


If you missed it, many others may miss it. I've now created a wiki 
account for you (you will shortly receive a temporary password by mail) 
so that you can fix this and/or other issues you may find: of course 
this is best done by someone who is relatively new to the project.



There may be additional information.  The easiest way is to find out exactly 
what the build parameters were  for the 4.1.2 release (which should be in the 
source code archive for that release).


No, they are not part of the source release. They never were. But this 
time I do have specs of all the systems and build flags we sued, so that 
we can aim at having a reproducible build. I'll put them somewhere in 
SVN (or would the wiki be better?).


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[Patricia Shanahan]

On 10/29/2015 3:08 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

From: Patricia Shanahan
I started with
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide/Building_o
n_Windows,
but hit some issues and want to make sure I'm using the right guide.


The first line of that page says

"This page is archived for historical reasons only. It is no longer
maintained and information may not be current."

If you missed it, many others may miss it. I've now created a wiki
account for you (you will shortly receive a temporary password by mail)
so that you can fix this and/or other issues you may find: of course
this is best done by someone who is relatively new to the project.


Thanks. When I am sure I have the right guide, I'll edit the old one to 
add a prominent link to the correct one.


I got the temporary password.

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Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[Patricia Shanahan]

On 10/29/2015 10:56 AM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:

...

What is the best guide to building AOO on Windows 8?

I started with
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide/Building_on_Windows,
but hit some issues and want to make sure I'm using the right guide.



Hi Patricia

I used this building guide on Windows:
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Windows_7

If you have any problems building feel free to mail this list. Windows
doesn't always build cleanly for me either.

Oh and a big welcome to AOO. I like Apache River too btw :-).


"Install cygwin, 32bit version"

Do I really have to go to 32-bit Cygwin? I have a fine 64-bit Cygwin 
already running on my 16 GB memory system.


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RE: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

While that sentiment was expressed on a thread about another topic, it should 
be understood that the idea of *increasing* Java dependency does not reflect an 
agreed project direction.

Before that could be considered, it seems to me that a number of issues around 
Java dependency need to be addressed first, especially those that introduce 
crashers in unexpected ways.

This should be on a thread of its own, now that I think about it.  The current 
usability issues need to be called out and their impact appreciated.

 - Dennis

> -Original Message-
> From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 20:38
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/28/2015 8:18 PM, F C. Costero wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:37 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am a very experienced programmer and computer architect, now
> retired.
> >> My
> >>> current strongest language is Java, but I have programmed in many
> >> languages
> >>> and can learn them as needed. My last professional C++ work was in
> the
> >>> 1980's.
> >>>
> >>> Although I am Chair of the Apache River PMC, the types of work it
> >>> currently needs, other than the facilitation and reporting I do as
> Chair,
> >>> are outside my areas of expertise. I have time to do some
> programming
> >>> elsewhere.
> >>>
> >>> I have been an OpenOffice user - I started using StarOffice at Sun
> around
> >>> 2000 - but more recently I've switched to LibreOffice because of
> lack of
> >>> OpenOffice releases. I am now downloading OpenOffice 4.1.2.
> >>>
> >>> I have become aware that OpenOffice needs more developers. Despite
> the
> >>> rustiness of my C++, I hope I can help. If so, how should I get
> started?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> ​You have wonderful experience, Patricia! ​Thank you for your interest.
> >> Stay tuned. We'll be discussing plans and tasks  for the future very
> soon.
> >> Meanwhile, we could certainly use some "architect" eyes on our code.
> Please
> >> weigh in as you see fit.
> >>
> >> --
> >> -
> -
> >> MzK
> >>
> >> “The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.”
> >>--Lao Tzu
> >>
> > Hello Patricia,
> > You might be interested in the comments in favor of Java use in
> AOO made
> > on this list by Damjan Jovanovic on Oct 15. I'm sorry I can't link to
> them
> > at the moment.
> > Francis
> >
> 
> Thanks. I've just read the thread. I certainly prefer Java to C++, but I
> rarely have a machine capable of running OpenOffice that does not have
> at least one JRE installed.
> 
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Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[Patricia Shanahan]

On 10/28/2015 8:18 PM, F C. Costero wrote:

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:37 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:


On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:


I am a very experienced programmer and computer architect, now retired.

My

current strongest language is Java, but I have programmed in many

languages

and can learn them as needed. My last professional C++ work was in the
1980's.

Although I am Chair of the Apache River PMC, the types of work it
currently needs, other than the facilitation and reporting I do as Chair,
are outside my areas of expertise. I have time to do some programming
elsewhere.

I have been an OpenOffice user - I started using StarOffice at Sun around
2000 - but more recently I've switched to LibreOffice because of lack of
OpenOffice releases. I am now downloading OpenOffice 4.1.2.

I have become aware that OpenOffice needs more developers. Despite the
rustiness of my C++, I hope I can help. If so, how should I get started?



​You have wonderful experience, Patricia! ​Thank you for your interest.
Stay tuned. We'll be discussing plans and tasks  for the future very soon.
Meanwhile, we could certainly use some "architect" eyes on our code. Please
weigh in as you see fit.

--
--
MzK

“The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.”
   --Lao Tzu


Hello Patricia,
You might be interested in the comments in favor of Java use in AOO made
on this list by Damjan Jovanovic on Oct 15. I'm sorry I can't link to them
at the moment.
Francis



Thanks. I've just read the thread. I certainly prefer Java to C++, but I 
rarely have a machine capable of running OpenOffice that does not have 
at least one JRE installed.


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Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[Kay Schenk]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:

> I am a very experienced programmer and computer architect, now retired. My
> current strongest language is Java, but I have programmed in many languages
> and can learn them as needed. My last professional C++ work was in the
> 1980's.
>
> Although I am Chair of the Apache River PMC, the types of work it
> currently needs, other than the facilitation and reporting I do as Chair,
> are outside my areas of expertise. I have time to do some programming
> elsewhere.
>
> I have been an OpenOffice user - I started using StarOffice at Sun around
> 2000 - but more recently I've switched to LibreOffice because of lack of
> OpenOffice releases. I am now downloading OpenOffice 4.1.2.
>
> I have become aware that OpenOffice needs more developers. Despite the
> rustiness of my C++, I hope I can help. If so, how should I get started?
>
>
​You have wonderful experience, Patricia! ​Thank you for your interest.
Stay tuned. We'll be discussing plans and tasks  for the future very soon.
Meanwhile, we could certainly use some "architect" eyes on our code. Please
weigh in as you see fit.

-- 
--
MzK

“The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.”
  --Lao Tzu

Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

[F C. Costero]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:37 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:
>
> > I am a very experienced programmer and computer architect, now retired.
> My
> > current strongest language is Java, but I have programmed in many
> languages
> > and can learn them as needed. My last professional C++ work was in the
> > 1980's.
> >
> > Although I am Chair of the Apache River PMC, the types of work it
> > currently needs, other than the facilitation and reporting I do as Chair,
> > are outside my areas of expertise. I have time to do some programming
> > elsewhere.
> >
> > I have been an OpenOffice user - I started using StarOffice at Sun around
> > 2000 - but more recently I've switched to LibreOffice because of lack of
> > OpenOffice releases. I am now downloading OpenOffice 4.1.2.
> >
> > I have become aware that OpenOffice needs more developers. Despite the
> > rustiness of my C++, I hope I can help. If so, how should I get started?
> >
> >
> ​You have wonderful experience, Patricia! ​Thank you for your interest.
> Stay tuned. We'll be discussing plans and tasks  for the future very soon.
> Meanwhile, we could certainly use some "architect" eyes on our code. Please
> weigh in as you see fit.
>
> --
> --
> MzK
>
> “The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.”
>   --Lao Tzu
>
Hello Patricia,
   You might be interested in the comments in favor of Java use in AOO made
on this list by Damjan Jovanovic on Oct 15. I'm sorry I can't link to them
at the moment.
Francis