[digitalradio] PSKmail: jPSKmail-0.5.4 installers now available a
PSKmail: jPSKmail-0.5.4 installers now available at http://www.crusefalk.se/jpskmailinstall/ , including the new scanner ( http://pskmail.wikispaces.com/Client_scanning ). jPSKmail installers
[digitalradio] PSKMail -- Path Tests Revisited [3 Attachments]
John, See attached. Tony -K2MO *Minimum SNR (white noise)* PSK250 -2db MFSK32 -8db PSK250R -7db *Simulation: NVIS SNR +3db* ModeCopy PSK250 62% MFSK32 100% PSK250R 61% *Simulation: Selective Fading* *SNR -3db* PSK250 67% MFSK16 95% PSK250R76% *Simulation: CCIR POOR * *SNR +3db* PSK25089% MFSK32 99% PSK250R 82% *SNR -3db* PSK25065% MFSK32 97% PSK250R 61% *SNR -10db* PSK25033% MFSK32 46% PSK250R 27%
[digitalradio] pskmail help!
Ok guys I'm on 10147.00 usb D with the 746pro sending pings...in psk500 mode from western montana. Should my waterfall be on 1000? or what...I've tried to commect to ve7sun but nothing. I've heard a couple of weak sig out there. I'd love to get this going.now what? 73, Alan
Re: [digitalradio] pskmail help!
You won't get far with PSK500, as most US servers listen on PSK250 as default. You could try the pskmail mailing lists where the server sysops hang out..: http://www.freelists.org/archive/pskmail You may end up organizing your own server that is how we did it in Europe... For frequencies see: http://pskmail.wikispaces.com/PSKmailservers there you see the servers are either on PSK250 or on THOR22.. 73, Rein PA0R Ok guys I'm on 10147.00 usb D with the 746pro sending pings...in psk500 mode from western montana. Should my waterfall be on 1000? or what...I've tried to commect to ve7sun but nothing. I've heard a couple of weak sig out there. I'd love to get this going.now what? 73, Alan http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and spots all in one (resize to suit)Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] pskmail help!
Ok, thank I'll chane it to 250If I ping at 500 and the servers are on 250 will they come back to me or do I have to be in mode specific? thanks, Alan
Re: [digitalradio] pskmail help!
Alan, I went up to 10147.00 and sent a ping out and Fred came back to my ping he on my radio at 10146.97 but I can connect to him, I you did not respond to my ping, the band could be short and you just not making it down to Texas. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: Alan ke4...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 10:52:27 AM Subject: [digitalradio] pskmail help! Ok guys I'm on 10147.00 usb D with the 746pro sending pings...in psk500 mode from western montana. Should my waterfall be on 1000? or what...I've tried to commect to ve7sun but nothing. I've heard a couple of weak sig out there. I'd love to get this going.now what? 73, Alan
Re: [digitalradio] pskmail help!
Alan, it looks by you last email your a user, Freds server (WB5CON) took me to PSK250, my ping was at PSK500R. I will set here for a few mins and see if I hear you ping?. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 12:14:07 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] pskmail help! Alan, I went up to 10147.00 and sent a ping out and Fred came back to my ping he on my radio at 10146.97 but I can connect to him, I you did not respond to my ping, the band could be short and you just not making it down to Texas. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell. Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: Alan ke4...@gmail. com To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 10:52:27 AM Subject: [digitalradio] pskmail help! Ok guys I'm on 10147.00 usb D with the 746pro sending pings...in psk500 mode from western montana. Should my waterfall be on 1000? or what...I've tried to commect to ve7sun but nothing. I've heard a couple of weak sig out there. I'd love to get this going.now what? 73, Alan
Re: [digitalradio] pskmail help!
It depends, if the server has RxID on the mode does not have to be specific, unless the RSID twiddle is too weak for the server to react. Also think about using a slower mode until you are connected... I often use MFSK16 to connect, with PSK500 on the download link (PSK250 in US). MFSK16 is a lot more sensitive than PSK250... Ping uses short frames, which have the best chance of getting through... It shows you if a server can hear you. It also depends if the server has been upgraded to version 1.0.0, older versions did not support multimode properly, they are fixed on PSK250. So, get in touch with the sysops! 73, Rein PA0R Ok, thank I'll chane it to 250If I ping at 500 and the servers are on 250 will they come back to me or do I have to be in mode specific? thanks, Alan http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and spots all in one (resize to suit)Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] pskmail help!
I'm back and pinging but no cigar so to speak...Alan
Re: [digitalradio] pskmail help!
I have my beacon on so if someone hears it please let me know...least I know that part is working...Alan
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail
Why not ask where the server sysops hang out? I mean the pskmail mailing list. Have a look here: http://www.freelists.org/archive/pskmail Here in europe we have plenty of servers but at the moment I see only two active servers in north america: http://hermes.esrac.ele.tue.nl/maps/pskmailers.php Hang in there, it works great when you actually have a path to a server 73 de Per, sm0rwo From: Alan ke4...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, March 12, 2010 10:26:08 PM Subject: [digitalradio] PSKMail Hi all, I've tried to connect to any server and I've yet to connect. Maybe being here in western montana running a 160 loop has something to do with it. But, I do lots of psk qso's and a few other digi modes. I think I have everything setup but never can connect...It looks like a good thing but is getting frustrated trying to use pskmail...just venting..73, Alan
[digitalradio] PSKMail
Hi all, I've tried to connect to any server and I've yet to connect. Maybe being here in western montana running a 160 loop has something to do with it. But, I do lots of psk qso's and a few other digi modes. I think I have everything setup but never can connect...It looks like a good thing but is getting frustrated trying to use pskmail...just venting..73, Alan
[digitalradio] PSKmail to/from Haiti (or neighbouring countries) ?
Any use of Pskmail related to the emergency in Haiti ? Seems that is is tailor made for such a situation. Short hops from Haiti to servers on HF Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail to/from Haiti (or neighbouring countries) ?
Andy, what frequency should I put my puppymail server on so it can be used. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com To: digitalradio digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 4:45:04 PM Subject: [digitalradio] PSKmail to/from Haiti (or neighbouring countries) ? Any use of Pskmail related to the emergency in Haiti ? Seems that is is tailor made for such a situation. Short hops from Haiti to servers on HF Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail to/from Haiti (or neighbouring countries) ?
Andy, is this the time when we see how effective or useful ALE and, since you mentioned it, PSKmail are? WL2K? Haitian stations actually up and able to operate not withstanding. Are there any ALEs, WL2K, etc etc there operating in the past, involving Haiti or have had access to? Just wondering. We're all waiting for the important OUTBOUND HW traffic (not inbound) and it will be of great interest to see how this initially plays out for ultimate study. Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN Em79 - Original Message - From: Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com To: digitalradio digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:45 PM Subject: [digitalradio] PSKmail to/from Haiti (or neighbouring countries) ? Any use of Pskmail related to the emergency in Haiti ? Seems that is is tailor made for such a situation. Short hops from Haiti to servers on HF Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail to/from Haiti : Frequencies
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com wrote: Andy, what frequency should I put my puppymail server on so it can be used. Russell NC5O I would guess 40 and 20 would be the best , Russell,
[digitalradio] PSKMAIL Servers list
The list of PSKmail servers is at http://pskmail.wikispaces.com/PSKmailservers The K3UK server will use this list to post the current QRG for K3UK. I will mostly be on 10148 (dial 10147 plus 1000Hz on waterfall) during the day and evening and switch to 3588 (3587 plus 1000Hz) at night to dawn USA, east coast). If I deviate to other bands for experiments with the server, I will post the details at http://pskmail.wikispaces.com/PSKmailservers The mode will also be posted. 73 de Andy K3UK
[digitalradio] PSKmail Server 20m
I'm back home FLdigi had stop working, so it now running and the mode is PSK250, 20m at 14116 on my dial. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
[digitalradio] PSKmail server no longer on 20m
Sorry I have turned off the server, I'm how testing with Tony on 30m on his server, but 30m is very noisey for me. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O
Well Tony, I misspoke about the AFC being on because in THOR22 you cant set the AFC is grayed out. I want be back home till sunday after noon and then I can check things better. Avery thing should be fine other I have not had anyone to connect to me via thor22 before it has always been PSK250, I'm working on getting the server upgraded to the next version, then it will use RSID and change to the mode of the client. but I dont know Linux very will and I'm getting help doing the update , hope to have it soon and the new version of FLDIGI as well. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: Tony d...@optonline.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 6:29:47 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O Russell, Are you able to copy my server when it pings avery 15 mins. Yes, just came through at 23:15 (00uNC5O:72 Pskmail 0.8.7 - 23:15:20 66E5) but I'm not able to connect. Signal is very strong. Tony -K2MO - Original Message - From: Russell Blair russell_blair86@ yahoo.com To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O Tony, yes I left it on, I'm up at the CHOCTAW CASINOS for a few days. Are you able to copy my server when it pings avery 15 mins. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell. Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 _ _ __ From: Tony d...@optonline. net To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 4:13:27 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O Russell, the server will be online 20m 14116 THOR22 Tried a few times on 14116.0 dial +1000Hz -- nothing heard yet. I'm assuming the AFC is on? Thanks, Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O
On 10-17, Alan Wilson wrote: Russell, I tried connecting to you yesterday evening from here in western montana, never heard a thing... I set the mode to thor22. I've been trying to get pskmail going, but no luck so far on 30 or 20 meters...Maybe I'm doing something wrong..dunno...73, Alan Have you tried WB5CON on dial 10147.000 USB +1000Hz audio, PSK250?? His signal arrives here in Northern WV almost 100% of the time.. (During the day for sure.) If you're only interested in Thor22; just disregard this.. -- Vy 73 de Hal--W8MCHUNIX-GNU/Linux - Slackware 11.0, 2.4.33.3 .
Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O
Russell, No rush... Tony -K2MO - Original Message - From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O Well Tony, I misspoke about the AFC being on because in THOR22 you cant set the AFC is grayed out. I want be back home till sunday after noon and then I can check things better. Avery thing should be fine other I have not had anyone to connect to me via thor22 before it has always been PSK250, I'm working on getting the server upgraded to the next version, then it will use RSID and change to the mode of the client. but I dont know Linux very will and I'm getting help doing the update , hope to have it soon and the new version of FLDIGI as well. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: Tony d...@optonline.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 6:29:47 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O Russell, Are you able to copy my server when it pings avery 15 mins. Yes, just came through at 23:15 (00uNC5O:72 Pskmail 0.8.7 - 23:15:20 66E5) but I'm not able to connect. Signal is very strong. Tony -K2MO - Original Message - From: Russell Blair russell_blair86@ yahoo.com To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O Tony, yes I left it on, I'm up at the CHOCTAW CASINOS for a few days. Are you able to copy my server when it pings avery 15 mins. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell. Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 _ _ __ From: Tony d...@optonline. net To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 4:13:27 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O Russell, the server will be online 20m 14116 THOR22 Tried a few times on 14116.0 dial +1000Hz -- nothing heard yet. I'm assuming the AFC is on? Thanks, Tony -K2MO
[digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O
I am off for the next three days and the server will be online 20m 14116 to be up band from the WINMOR testing. Mode will be THOR22. it on now.. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O
Russell, the server will be online 20m 14116 THOR22 Tried a few times on 14116.0 dial +1000Hz -- nothing heard yet. I'm assuming the AFC is on? Thanks, Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O
Tony, yes I left it on, I'm up at the CHOCTAW CASINOS for a few days. Are you able to copy my server when it pings avery 15 mins. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: Tony d...@optonline.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 4:13:27 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O Russell, the server will be online 20m 14116 THOR22 Tried a few times on 14116.0 dial +1000Hz -- nothing heard yet. I'm assuming the AFC is on? Thanks, Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O
Russell, Are you able to copy my server when it pings avery 15 mins. Yes, just came through at 23:15 (00uNC5O:72 Pskmail 0.8.7 - 23:15:20 66E5) but I'm not able to connect. Signal is very strong. Tony -K2MO - Original Message - From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O Tony, yes I left it on, I'm up at the CHOCTAW CASINOS for a few days. Are you able to copy my server when it pings avery 15 mins. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 From: Tony d...@optonline.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 4:13:27 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server @ NC5O Russell, the server will be online 20m 14116 THOR22 Tried a few times on 14116.0 dial +1000Hz -- nothing heard yet. I'm assuming the AFC is on? Thanks, Tony -K2MO
[digitalradio] PSKmail Server 20m
Due to the on going test on WINMOR my PSKmail server is on 14.116 on my dial, and the mode is THOR22. I will be here for the rest of the day. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
[digitalradio] PSKmail Server 20m
Sorry I had to take the server off line due to bad weather, its back on 14.116 in THOR22 mode Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
[digitalradio] PSKmail server on 30m
My PSKmail server back on 30m, and David give me a call on skype if you can help in the upgrades. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
[digitalradio] PSKmail server 20m
My server has been mover to 14.114 and the mode is THOR22. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server What mode ? (Tony)
Russell, The THOR22 mode should do fine. I guess the QSY TRAFFIC option doesn't allow the user to switch modes on demand? Thanks for putting the server up for testing Russell. Tony -K2MO
Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server What mode ? (Tony)
'QSY' traffic is used on some servers to use a separate frequency for arq traffic. On receipt of the QSY command the server will jump to that frequency. Mode will not switch. There are 3 ways to switch modes: * By using RSIDtx on the client and RSIDrx on the server... The server needs fldigi-3.13 for that which has not yet been released. On earlier fldigi versions RSIDrx will work only once on the server. * By choosing the right minuteto connect a scanning server Some servers scan different frequencies/modes. Scan period is 5 minutes, so minutes are 0,1,2,3 and 4. See http://pskmail.wikispaces.com/PSKmailservers for the schedule * By switching modes on- the-fly during a connected session. Just hit the mode you want in the Modes menu., and the client will send a mode switch command to the server. The server will acknowledge the command and switch to the other mode. Modes available on client jpskmail 3.8 beta are THOR8, THOR11, THOR16, THOR22,, MFSK16, MFSK32, BPSK63, BPSK125, BPSK250 (default). This is still experimental, and requires some experience :) 73, Rein PA0R -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Tony d...@optonline.net Gesendet: 10.10.09 09:16:37 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server What mode ? (Tony) Russell, The THOR22 mode should do fine. I guess the QSY TRAFFIC option doesn't allow the user to switch modes on demand? Thanks for putting the server up for testing Russell. Tony -K2MO Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://pa0r.blogspirit.com Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:digitalradio-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: digitalradio-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server What mode ? (Tony)
Tony, Ok I have to go to calss today but I will put the server on line before I leave for class, When I update to the next version of server it will be able to change via RSID from the client. what aver mode the client is on the server will change, but I'm not there yet. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Tony d...@optonline.net wrote: From: Tony d...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server What mode ? (Tony) To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 2:16 AM Russell, The THOR22 mode should do fine. I guess the QSY TRAFFIC option doesn't allow the user to switch modes on demand? Thanks for putting the server up for testing Russell. Tony -K2MO
[digitalradio] PSKmail Server (NC5O)
My pskmail server is on 20m 14.114. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server on 80m
Russell, Connected to your PSK Mail server on 14114 today - thanks for turning it on. There wasn't enough signal to decode consistently in PSK250 and I was wondering if the QSY TRAFFIC setting would allow your station to respond to the other more robust modes in PSK Mail? I'll give it another try this evening after 2230z. Thanks again. Tony, K2MO - Original Message - From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com To: Digital Radio digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:57 PM Subject: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server on 80m KF4WBS, has a PSKmail server on 3.588, this server can handle multi mode using RSID give him a try when the other bands are gone, it's up most of the time, for my server on 20m we have some bad weather comming in before I get home from work so it comming down. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server What mode ? (Tony)
Tony what other mode would like to try, Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 --- On Fri, 10/9/09, Tony d...@optonline.net wrote: From: Tony d...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server on 80m To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 4:21 PM Russell, Connected to your PSK Mail server on 14114 today - thanks for turning it on. There wasn't enough signal to decode consistently in PSK250 and I was wondering if the QSY TRAFFIC setting would allow your station to respond to the other more robust modes in PSK Mail? I'll give it another try this evening after 2230z. Thanks again. Tony, K2MO - Original Message - From: Russell Blair russell_blair86@ yahoo.com To: Digital Radio digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:57 PM Subject: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server on 80m KF4WBS, has a PSKmail server on 3.588, this server can handle multi mode using RSID give him a try when the other bands are gone, it's up most of the time, for my server on 20m we have some bad weather comming in before I get home from work so it comming down. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell. Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
[digitalradio] PSKmail Server on 20m
My PSKmail server is on 14114 on my dial. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
RE: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server on 20m
I am listening on 14.114 but see nothing as of yet Fred VE3FAL -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Blair Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:27 AM To: Digital Radio Subject: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server on 20m My PSKmail server is on 14114 on my dial. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server on 20m
Fred, the server will ID at the top of the hour and 15,30,45 min fater the hour PSK250, now that 14.114 on my dial it maybe +/- on your dial. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 --- On Thu, 10/8/09, Fred VE3FAL flesn...@tbaytel.net wrote: From: Fred VE3FAL flesn...@tbaytel.net Subject: RE: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server on 20m To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 10:12 AM I am listening on 14.114 but see nothing as of yet Fred VE3FAL -Original Message- From: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Russell Blair Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:27 AM To: Digital Radio Subject: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server on 20m My PSKmail server is on 14114 on my dial. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell. Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 - - -- Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensw eb.com/sked Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. Yahoo! Groups Links
[digitalradio] PSKmail Server on 80m
KF4WBS, has a PSKmail server on 3.588, this server can handle multi mode using RSID give him a try when the other bands are gone, it's up most of the time, for my server on 20m we have some bad weather comming in before I get home from work so it comming down. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
[digitalradio] PSKmail server on 3.588 via KF4WBS David Gray
He on SKYPE as KF4WBS he knows a lot about PSKmail server and how it works. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail server
Russell Thanks. I did not hear u. Wx here also bad . No power at the moment due to high winds. Andy via blackberry -Original Message- From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:15:59 To: Digital Radiodigitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] PSKmail server If you send a ping and if my server hears you it will respond back to you as (QSL CALL). Hope the band will be good but it look like we have some bad weather moveing onto North Texas and I will have to pul the plug, till about 9:00 CST and I will put the server back on line. I will send out a email out when it up and working. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
[digitalradio] PSKmail Server
My server is on line 7076 Mhz on ur dial just give a ping and it should respond back if it hears you with in the band pass. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
[digitalradio] PSKmail Server moved
7076 is very noisey hr so i have mover the server to 14.114 USB BPSK250 it will be hr till 0100 CST then I go back to work. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
[digitalradio] PSKMAIL: A Different Kettle of Fish.
After a few weeks of WINMOR testing, where I exchanged brief emails directly with a number of hams, PSKMAIL is going to take some getting used to. Thanks to Rein I got the programs set-up and have had good PSK250 paths during the day time to WB5CON. So, when I checked in to the WB5CON mail server and asked for my mail, I thought I would maybe get a brief email from Rein or some ham that uses PSKMAIL. I was surprised when my first email QUICKLY (compared to WINMOR) started to scroll in on 30M... Your msg: 8032 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:45:44 -0700 From: Verizon Wireless verizonwirel...@email.vzwshop.com Subject: Meet a Few Representatives from Customer Service snip... I forgot that PSKMAIL is a full email service, you can get ALL your email via PSKMAIL, all your email that goes to the reply address you specify in PSKMAIL set-up. The PSKMAIL Gods must have arranged a test today because my home internet service is down due to a wind storm. I was able to use PSKMAIL via ham radio to check my mail. Using PSK250, I am not always able to make a connect to a server despite moderate signals, but it does appears to be more robust than current versions of WINMOR. I'll play around some more. Andy K3UK -- Andy
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMAIL: A Different Kettle of Fish.
Andy u had a nice signal hr in tx today. my band pass is very narrow so you need to be just about top of me I will try to open it up some to help. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 --- On Wed, 10/7/09, Andrew O'Brien andrewob...@gmail.com wrote: From: Andrew O'Brien andrewob...@gmail.com Subject: [digitalradio] PSKMAIL: A Different Kettle of Fish. To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 10:52 AM After a few weeks of WINMOR testing, where I exchanged brief emails directly with a number of hams, PSKMAIL is going to take some getting used to. Thanks to Rein I got the programs set-up and have had good PSK250 paths during the day time to WB5CON. So, when I checked in to the WB5CON mail server and asked for my mail, I thought I would maybe get a brief email from Rein or some ham that uses PSKMAIL. I was surprised when my first email QUICKLY (compared to WINMOR) started to scroll in on 30M... Your msg: 8032 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:45:44 -0700 From: Verizon Wireless verizonwireless@ email.vzwshop. com Subject: Meet a Few Representatives from Customer Service snip... I forgot that PSKMAIL is a full email service, you can get ALL your email via PSKMAIL, all your email that goes to the reply address you specify in PSKMAIL set-up. The PSKMAIL Gods must have arranged a test today because my home internet service is down due to a wind storm. I was able to use PSKMAIL via ham radio to check my mail. Using PSK250, I am not always able to make a connect to a server despite moderate signals, but it does appears to be more robust than current versions of WINMOR. I'll play around some more. Andy K3UK -- Andy
[digitalradio] PSKmail Server moved 7087 Mhz
I have moved my PSKmail server to 7087 for any test for a few hours. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMAIL does NOT need a BBS
Correct for the jpskmail client, it is possible on the old Linux client (version 1.1). I built peer-to-peer operation into the client on request of the NBEMS guys, but they lost interest in pskmail so I stopped putting effort into that. You will see that TTY is greyed out in the Mode menu. THOR22 is a perfect mode for keyboard-to-keyboard operation, you don't normally need ARQ for that. If there is a lot of interest from users I might also build TTY and p-to-p file transfer into the java client. Most ops use jpskmail for messaging, email, web access and HF APRS messaging and downloading WX charts while mobile. 73, Rein PA0R Perhaps I used the wrong term Rein, I meant mail server . Am I correct in thinking that a ham cannot connect to another ham and transfer a message, a server has to be used ? Andy -- http://pa0r.blogspirit.com Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:digitalradio-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: digitalradio-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMAIL does NOT need a BBS
Thanks. I will play around some more with using the servers. Andy K3UK On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Rein Couperus r...@couperus.com wrote: Correct for the jpskmail client, it is possible on the old Linux client (version 1.1). I built peer-to-peer operation into the client on request of the NBEMS guys, but they lost interest in pskmail so I stopped putting effort into that. You will see that TTY is greyed out in the Mode menu. THOR22 is a perfect mode for keyboard-to-keyboard operation, you don't normally need ARQ for that. If there is a lot of interest from users I might also build TTY and p-to-p file transfer into the java client. Most ops use jpskmail for messaging, email, web access and HF APRS messaging and downloading WX charts while mobile. 73, Rein PA0R
[digitalradio] PSKmail Server
I'm going to move my PSKmail server to 7087 Mhz on your dial. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail Server
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[digitalradio] PSKMAIL Server
No its on 7076 on ur dial. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMAIL Server
OK, so far not hearing you. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.comwrote: No its on 7076 on ur dial. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMAIL Server
Andy, the server pings on top hr and avery 15 mins. BPSK250 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 --- On Tue, 10/6/09, Andrew O'Brien andrewob...@gmail.com wrote: From: Andrew O'Brien andrewob...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMAIL Server To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 8:49 PM OK, so far not hearing you. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Russell Blair russell_blair86@ yahoo.com wrote: No its on 7076 on ur dial. Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson
[digitalradio] PSKMAIL tests tonight ?
Anyone want to test jPSKMAIl tonight? I will be reading helps files (heavens forbid!) since it seems I need to do a few things more, from WB5CON today I received.. Hi K3UK, pse update your record. Off to find out how to do this. Also looking for some non-server tests. -- Andy
[digitalradio] PSKMAIL does NOT need a BBS
Perhaps I used the wrong term Rein, I meant mail server . Am I correct in thinking that a ham cannot connect to another ham and transfer a message, a server has to be used ? Andy - Pskmail does NOT need a BBS. Unlike winlink it works directly with any email account. Rein PA0R -- http://pa0r.blogspirit.com
[digitalradio] PSKmail (N4WCQ) Rick
I see you but your not connecting to me I dont see my call. Are you using MultiPSK I keep seeing (MultiPSK off). Russell Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its called the PRESENT! IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
RE: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.
The first mult-protocol pskmail gateway is now in testing. At DA5UWG we have an XNet server running on the pskmail server, which functions as a pskmail/AX25 gateway to pactor transport links on 20/15m , to the db0pdf packet digipeater, and to the IGate packet network. 73, Rein PA0R -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Rud Merriam k5...@arrl.net Gesendet: 18.05.09 02:19:24 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: RE: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S. I'll have to agree with Russell that I have not seen hostility here toward packet. If I may offer some constructive criticism, not meant as an attack. When you start a message with what you have is nice but WE have... you are likely to engender a defensive reaction. Addressing the issue of packet, you certainly are aware that better protocols exist for use on HF. That is one of the goals of ham radio to experiment and develop new technologies. PSKMail is a very positive illustration of this. They created one means of providing a messaging capability that has evolved to utilize new capabilities as they became available. The NBEMS is similarly positioned to lever new developments. Packet has technical shortcomings that have been addressed by other protocols. Why not take advantage of the newer capabilities? - 73 - Rud Merriam K5RUD ARES AEC Montgomery County, TX http://TheHamNetwork.net -Original Message- *From:* Charles Brabham [mailto:n5...@uspacket.org] *Sent:* Sunday, May 17, 2009 3:45 PM *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S. Group members will have to forgive a few members here who appear to harbor some personal hostility regarding the SkipNets, and Packet radio in general. To find out more about the SkipNets without getting flames stirred up here, please contact me off-list for details. As it stands today, the Skipnets transport miscellaneous bulletin traffic to keep the system exercised. There is some personal messaging, but there is a great deal of underutilized capacity for more point-to-point messaging between amateurs. No non-ham or 3rd-party traffic is transported by the Skipnets, but ham-to-ham communications are definately encouraged. A new HF network roughly modeled on the SkipNets is currently under development, but the first servers will probably not appear for some months yet. There are still numerous issues to resolve. In the mean- time, participation in the SkipNets are a good way to get up to speed on the basic concepts behind a global, independent, all-ham radio communications network. Again, due to the hostility here, please take all comments and questions off-list. Contact me personally at: n5...@uspacket.org - Or stop by at http://www.uspacket.org where there is a forum. 73 DE Charles, N5PVL -- http://pa0r.blogspirit.com Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:digitalradio-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: digitalradio-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Pskmail (VE7CUS)
You are very week in Texas, you can try VE7SUN howevey his server is using THOR22 mode, he is very lite as well. 10.147 on your dial. Russell Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its called the PRESENT! IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.
Nine or so Pskmail servers in the continental US? That's a good start, but I will remind the group that the Packet ( SkipNet ) network has more servers than that on just one of several frequencies where we operate every day. No eMail is carried by the Packet network, which I consider to be a plus. On the other hand, the SkipNet carries peer-to-peer messaging at a much higher speed than Pskmail can, with greater spectral efficiency. I've looked at Pskmail and am impressed, it is an excellent system. It is unfortunate that Packet is ignored or dissed here though, for no rational reason. Packet works just as well, and in some respects it works much better. One area where Packet is more fuctional is in the number of areas served. There are a good deal more SkipNet stations on the air every day, serving a greater variety of locations. Contrary to popularly expressed belief, HF Packet is a solid performer on the air. To illustrate, note that my station located at the southern tip of Texas exchanges messages every day with another SkipNet station located 25 miles in from the Canadian border, and has routinely done so throughout the solar minimum. Is it smart to develop and utilize the Pskmail network? - Yes, most definately! Is it smart to dis and ignore the SkipNet which is faster, serves many more locations and is more spectrally efficient? - I'll leave that for the reader to consider. 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.
Thanks Rein, I was hopeing you would step up to this. Thanks Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its called the PRESENT! IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Rein Couperus r...@couperus.com wrote: From: Rein Couperus r...@couperus.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S. To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 7:39 AM I would gladly discuss with you how we can make the systems work together, with the ultimate goal to increase efficiency and service coverage of both... As I cannot find any usable information about SkipNet (other than the generic definition of several flavours of overlay networks with skipnet routing) I would be interested to know what you are actually doing in that area Pskmail is presently an internet or LAN access system for HF, i.e. it uses existing internet infrastructure as a transport medium wherever possible, and it provides efficient 'last 3000 Miles' HF connectivity to various internet services like email, web access, twitter etc.+ fully compatible HF APRS messaging and posit beaconing. Pskmail servers are stateless, i.e they do not retain content, but provide agents to interface with internet services. As such I don't think you can compare it to SkipNet functionality (but I may be wrong here...) There are plans to add DTN functionalty to pskmail in future in order to bypass the internet transport in emergency situations, and I am fully open to any form of suggestions... I propose we take this off list... 73, Rein PA0R rein at couperus dot com -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Charles Brabham n5...@uspacket.org Gesendet: 17.05.09 13:43:30 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S. Nine or so Pskmail servers in the continental US? That's a good start, but I will remind the group that the Packet ( SkipNet ) network has more servers than that on just one of several frequencies where we operate every day. No eMail is carried by the Packet network, which I consider to be a plus. On the other hand, the SkipNet carries peer-to-peer messaging at a much higher speed than Pskmail can, with greater spectral efficiency. I've looked at Pskmail and am impressed, it is an excellent system. It is unfortunate that Packet is ignored or dissed here though, for no rational reason. Packet works just as well, and in some respects it works much better. One area where Packet is more fuctional is in the number of areas served. There are a good deal more SkipNet stations on the air every day, serving a greater variety of locations. Contrary to popularly expressed belief, HF Packet is a solid performer on the air. To illustrate, note that my station located at the southern tip of Texas exchanges messages every day with another SkipNet station located 25 miles in from the Canadian border, and has routinely done so throughout the solar minimum. Is it smart to develop and utilize the Pskmail network? - Yes, most definately! Is it smart to dis and ignore the SkipNet which is faster, serves many more locations and is more spectrally efficient? - I'll leave that for the reader to consider. 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL -- http://pa0r.blogspirit.com Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended digital mode software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Logging Software: DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe. Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S. (Rick)
Rick, Well I went to find the call of the other station close to you and it was not on the list today I will keep a lookout for it, I have seen you connect to Fred (WB5CON) at times, the band has not be too good but if you would like for me to QSY to another band so you can connect I would be glad just let me know. My server has been on 10.148, was using PSK125 but now I'm using PSK250, it beacons avery 20min starting at the top of the hour. My station antenna is a Butternut so its not the best. Russell NC5O Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its called the PRESENT! IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Rick W mrf...@frontiernet.net wrote: From: Rick W mrf...@frontiernet.net Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S. To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 8:16 PM Russell, Where is the Wisconsin one located? I live in SW Wisconsin, but my understanding is that there are 3 PSKmail stations listed as active in the U.S.,? At least on the 10.148 frequency. The main one I can sometimes reach is WB5CON in Mississiippi, but not easy to do on a consistent basis. What we need are many more stations on different bands. Especially would like to see some NVIS stations on 80 meters. Could even have VHF stations as there is at least one in a large city, but outside the U.S. Is anyone considering becoming a server station? If the Windows client gets PSKmail chat, we would be able to have both e-mail and peer to peer messaging using ARQ and could use on VHF as well as HF. That is not available with any other system, much less a completely open system fully GPL'ed. This is the only decentralized system that I am aware of that can do all these things. 73, Rick, KV9U Russell Blair wrote: I was taking a count today of Pskmail Servers in the U.S. and there are four 1 in Mississippi, 2 in Texas, 1 in Va, 1 in WI, and one in western Canada. Hopefully there will be more users as time goes on and the word gets out and more people start getting out and needing to use the mail servers. Russell NC5O
Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S. (Rick)
Hi Russell, Are there many other PSKmail stations on the air that are not being listed on the mailserver site? http://pskmail.wikispaces.com/PSKmailservers The only stations for the U.S. that are listed at the moment are: WB5CON KD5WDQ KD4QCL I think it was KD4WDQ that I have triggered a few times when doing a call up of the servers on 10148, but only WB5CON has been strong enough to actually connect to. It seems to take a pretty good signal to make this work well. Do you find that the 250 baud rate works most of the time about as well as the 125 baud rate? Probably less affected by Doppler? But would be more affected by ISI multipsk? Without having an automatically adjustable protocol, all the modes are a compromise much of the time. And the faster modes just can not connect when slower modes would work, even though very slow. But slow is better than zero throughput like we often had with 300 baud packet and why that mode never became usable unless you had a very stable MUF type of path. From what I can tell, a lot of the Pactor 2 and 3 operation is done this way because 100 baud PSK is quite susceptible to ionospheric conditions we often have on HF. 73, Rick, KV9U Russell Blair wrote: Rick, Well I went to find the call of the other station close to you and it was not on the list today I will keep a lookout for it, I have seen you connect to Fred (WB5CON) at times, the band has not be too good but if you would like for me to QSY to another band so you can connect I would be glad just let me know. My server has been on 10.148, was using PSK125 but now I'm using PSK250, it beacons avery 20min starting at the top of the hour. My station antenna is a Butternut so its not the best. Russell NC5O
Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.
I have to concur with Rein. The impression we have been given in the past is that Skipnet was a short term ARRL experiment under an FCC STA (Special Temporary Authorization). Do a search on ARRL's web site to see the number of references on anything current. My most recent search came up empty. If there really is a network that can be accessed by individual hams, then one would expect the proponents to frequently mention the frequencies on the various bands, the method of access, any procedures to send messages, etc. Curious that this never happens. What is important about PSKmail is the many features that are simply not available on any other system: - it does not rely on 300 baud FSK packet and can use any modulation, including potentially future adaptable modes - works with sound card technology and only a simple interface required - moving toward cross platform with the addition of the javaPSKmail software with fldigi - can set up ad hoc servers on short notice by anyone, not just those who operate a centralized system - can operate on VHF as well as HF And here is something that I just found out from Rein: PSKmail can be set up as a closed system without any access to the internet, if you don't want it to have such access. It can act as a server for a local or regional group, etc. If possible, this discussion may be quite valuable on the group. 73, Rick, KV9U Rein Couperus wrote: I would gladly discuss with you how we can make the systems work together, with the ultimate goal to increase efficiency and service coverage of both... As I cannot find any usable information about SkipNet (other than the generic definition of several flavours of overlay networks with skipnet routing) I would be interested to know what you are actually doing in that area Pskmail is presently an internet or LAN access system for HF, i.e. it uses existing internet infrastructure as a transport medium wherever possible, and it provides efficient 'last 3000 Miles' HF connectivity to various internet services like email, web access, twitter etc.+ fully compatible HF APRS messaging and posit beaconing. Pskmail servers are stateless, i.e they do not retain content, but provide agents to interface with internet services. As such I don't think you can compare it to SkipNet functionality (but I may be wrong here...) There are plans to add DTN functionalty to pskmail in future in order to bypass the internet transport in emergency situations, and I am fully open to any form of suggestions... I propose we take this off list... 73, Rein PA0R rein at couperus dot com
Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S. (Rick)
Hi Rick, well I don't know how to get my server listed on that site, it up and working most of the day till about 9:00 PM my time. I have had a few connections when I was on PSK125, it seem to woke fine, and band condition do change thing a lot, I can have the program change modes and bands. I was hoping to get some bulletin information added to the server but I have not worked on that yet, hope to soon. I was thinking if I could get to a point where if someone connect and needed the weather for say a city that just by inputing a zip code the server would look up the weather via the internet a and then send it out as part of a short message to the station that asked for it, but I'm no programmer just a button pusher. OK hope the bands get better for us all. Russell NC5O Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its called the PRESENT! IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Rick W mrf...@frontiernet.net wrote: From: Rick W mrf...@frontiernet.net Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S. (Rick) To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 1:11 PM Hi Russell, Are there many other PSKmail stations on the air that are not being listed on the mailserver site? http://pskmail. wikispaces. com/PSKmailserve rs The only stations for the U.S. that are listed at the moment are: WB5CON KD5WDQ KD4QCL I think it was KD4WDQ that I have triggered a few times when doing a call up of the servers on 10148, but only WB5CON has been strong enough to actually connect to. It seems to take a pretty good signal to make this work well. Do you find that the 250 baud rate works most of the time about as well as the 125 baud rate? Probably less affected by Doppler? But would be more affected by ISI multipsk? Without having an automatically adjustable protocol, all the modes are a compromise much of the time. And the faster modes just can not connect when slower modes would work, even though very slow. But slow is better than zero throughput like we often had with 300 baud packet and why that mode never became usable unless you had a very stable MUF type of path. From what I can tell, a lot of the Pactor 2 and 3 operation is done this way because 100 baud PSK is quite susceptible to ionospheric conditions we often have on HF. 73, Rick, KV9U Russell Blair wrote: Rick, Well I went to find the call of the other station close to you and it was not on the list today I will keep a lookout for it, I have seen you connect to Fred (WB5CON) at times, the band has not be too good but if you would like for me to QSY to another band so you can connect I would be glad just let me know. My server has been on 10.148, was using PSK125 but now I'm using PSK250, it beacons avery 20min starting at the top of the hour. My station antenna is a Butternut so its not the best. Russell NC5O
Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.
Group members will have to forgive a few members here who appear to harbor some personal hostility regarding the SkipNets, and Packet radio in general. To find out more about the SkipNets without getting flames stirred up here, please contact me off-list for details. As it stands today, the Skipnets transport miscellaneous bulletin traffic to keep the system exercised. There is some personal messaging, but there is a great deal of underutilized capacity for more point-to-point messaging between amateurs. No non-ham or 3rd-party traffic is transported by the Skipnets, but ham-to-ham communications are definately encouraged. A new HF network roughly modeled on the SkipNets is currently under development, but the first servers will probably not appear for some months yet. There are still numerous issues to resolve. In the mean-time, participation in the SkipNets are a good way to get up to speed on the basic concepts behind a global, independent, all-ham radio communications network. Again, due to the hostility here, please take all comments and questions off-list. Contact me personally at: n5...@uspacket.org - Or stop by at http://www.uspacket.org where there is a forum. 73 DE Charles, N5PVL
Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S. (Charles)
Charles, I have joined the UsPacket.org as you requested, However unless there has been some e-mails sent to you off net I for one see no hostility regarding the SkipNets. I for one was looking for information about the network because I had never heard of this network and if it came across to you as hostiliy I am sorry, it was not meant that way. I hope that each of the groups can work to make thing better. Thanks Russell NC5O Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its called the PRESENT! IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Charles Brabham n5...@uspacket.org wrote: From: Charles Brabham n5...@uspacket.org Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S. To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 3:44 PM Group members will have to forgive a few members here who appear to harbor some personal hostility regarding the SkipNets, and Packet radio in general. To find out more about the SkipNets without getting flames stirred up here, please contact me off-list for details. As it stands today, the Skipnets transport miscellaneous bulletin traffic to keep the system exercised. There is some personal messaging, but there is a great deal of underutilized capacity for more point-to-point messaging between amateurs. No non-ham or 3rd-party traffic is transported by the Skipnets, but ham-to-ham communications are definately encouraged. A new HF network roughly modeled on the SkipNets is currently under development, but the first servers will probably not appear for some months yet. There are still numerous issues to resolve. In the mean-time, participation in the SkipNets are a good way to get up to speed on the basic concepts behind a global, independent, all-ham radio communications network. Again, due to the hostility here, please take all comments and questions off-list. Contact me personally at: n5...@uspacket. org - Or stop by at http://www.uspacket .org where there is a forum. 73 DE Charles, N5PVL
[digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.
I was taking a count today of Pskmail Servers in the U.S. and there are four 1 in Mississippi, 2 in Texas, 1 in Va, 1 in WI, and one in western Canada. Hopefully there will be more users as time goes on and the word gets out and more people start getting out and needing to use the mail servers. Russell NC5O Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its called the PRESENT! IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693
Re: [digitalradio] Pskmail Server in U.S.
Russell, Where is the Wisconsin one located? I live in SW Wisconsin, but my understanding is that there are 3 PSKmail stations listed as active in the U.S.,? At least on the 10.148 frequency. The main one I can sometimes reach is WB5CON in Mississiippi, but not easy to do on a consistent basis. What we need are many more stations on different bands. Especially would like to see some NVIS stations on 80 meters. Could even have VHF stations as there is at least one in a large city, but outside the U.S. Is anyone considering becoming a server station? If the Windows client gets PSKmail chat, we would be able to have both e-mail and peer to peer messaging using ARQ and could use on VHF as well as HF. That is not available with any other system, much less a completely open system fully GPL'ed. This is the only decentralized system that I am aware of that can do all these things. 73, Rick, KV9U Russell Blair wrote: I was taking a count today of Pskmail Servers in the U.S. and there are four 1 in Mississippi, 2 in Texas, 1 in Va, 1 in WI, and one in western Canada. Hopefully there will be more users as time goes on and the word gets out and more people start getting out and needing to use the mail servers. Russell NC5O
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
On 04-01, Rick W wrote: Linux has not been very successful here in the U.S. with most ham computer users. I understand the Golden Arches sell more food than any other restaurant too... Even the ones who are very techy, such as myself, find it mediocre as an operating system. That's interesting.. Consider the common denominator?? Several of my ham friends have tried it over the years too and abandoned it. A nearby ham, who is very tech oriented decided a few months ago that he was going to really get into Linux, until he really tried it and realized it just was not going to work for him and he is an electronics engineer. So... That has been the case with most other hams I know and some of us, myself included, really, really, wanted to like the OS, even with its shortcomings. What shortcomings except comments like yours?? But it just has not been very practical at this point because like so many things in life, the trade-offs are too great:( Because too many refuse to think?? Just my 0.02 worth.. :^).. -- Vy 73 de Hal--W8MCHUNIX-GNU/Linux - Slackware 11.0, 2.4.33.3 .
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Once upon a time, in a very distant galaxy, there was an ace pilot named Anakin Skywalker... Linux has not been very successful here in the U.S. with most ham computer users. But it just has not been very practical at this point because like so many things in life, the trade-offs are too great:( Because too many refuse to think?? VI Conferencia Internacional de Energía Renovable, Ahorro de Energía y Educación Energética 9 - 12 de Junio 2009, Palacio de las Convenciones ...Por una cultura energética sustentable www.ciercuba.com
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Hi Hal, Sometimes I am tempted to reply this way too. Mostly I try to keep comments positive about Linux and trust that M$ will eventually offend their clients enough that they will reconsider. My favorite distro is Ubuntu 8.04 LTS. There was a time when hams considered themselves more technical. In those days Linux was popular in the ham community. Now that Linux is so much easier, hams should try it again. 73, Howard K5HB From: Hal iamw8...@verizon.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 8:32:19 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server? On 04-01, Rick W wrote: Linux has not been very successful here in the U.S. with most ham computer users. I understand the Golden Arches sell more food than any other restaurant too... Even the ones who are very techy, such as myself, find it mediocre as an operating system. That's interesting. . Consider the common denominator? ? Several of my ham friends have tried it over the years too and abandoned it. A nearby ham, who is very tech oriented decided a few months ago that he was going to really get into Linux, until he really tried it and realized it just was not going to work for him and he is an electronics engineer. So... That has been the case with most other hams I know and some of us, myself included, really, really, wanted to like the OS, even with its shortcomings. What shortcomings except comments like yours?? But it just has not been very practical at this point because like so many things in life, the trade-offs are too great:( Because too many refuse to think?? Just my 0.02 worth.. :^).. -- Vy 73 de Hal--W8MCHUNIX-GNU/Linux - Slackware 11.0, 2.4.33.3 .
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Food? Are you sure, last time I checked it was recycled rubber with a soya type base. Dennis Smith M1DLG Barely human, mostly penguin. Hal wrote: I understand the Golden Arches sell more food than any other restaurant too...
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Hi Toby, you may want to try 10.148, the server network there will let you connect from all over EU during the daytime. We see connects from Moscow, from the Cap Verde Islands, from south of Spain... 40 meters is bad because of QRM, the band being very narrow, and everybody is on top of each other... pactor, RTTY psk31... 30 meters is quiet and no contests 73, Rein PA0R -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Toby Burnett ruff...@hebrides.net Gesendet: 31.03.09 23:38:15 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server? Wish someone would set up a UK server for testing purposes at least, could get on 7Mhz or 3.5Mhz. Would be ideal. I've never managed to connect with the Swedish / German servers yet. Must be doing something wrong!! Using JPSKMAIL RX is fine with Fldigi but never connects. ---Original Message--- *From:*Andy obrien *Date:* 31/03/2009 13:19:31 *To:*digitalradio *Subject:* [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server? Is the software for the PSKMAIL sever side Linux based only ? I thought it would be useful if we had half-dozen more servers in North America but having to run Linux may dissuade some. Andy K3UK -- http://pa0r.blogspirit.com Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:digitalradio-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: digitalradio-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
I am not completely understanding what you can do with PSKmail such as listing files, etc. Not much happens when I connect but maybe my connection is not good enough? I realize that the Windows version is not fully operational at this time, but it gives you a taste of the system. The latest version 0.3.3 ca already do a lot more... This is from the wiki: Send APRS Posit Send APRS message Send APRS email Send ping Send Link packet to server Receive APRS message Receive short email on APRS Receive weather (or other) bulletins automatically and store them. Set APRS Icon Set APRS Beacon Period (10, 30, 60 mins) Set APRS status message GPS connection (RS232 and USB) ARQ terminal mode: Get your mail from ISP (e.g. gmail) Send mail via ISP List, download and read files on the server (tell the sysop what you need) Telnet to any computer on the internet, e.g. your packet mailbox Get special info depending on your location from the web like: - tide information - List of APRS stations - List of messages on findu - For RV'ers a list of parking lots in a radius of 5 Miles from your location (EU only) - The latest wx bulletin - Grib files for zyGrib - Latest IAC fleetcode file for zyGrib etc, etc, etc... as PKSmail is a free decentralized system the sysops determine what info is available on the servers. You will have to bribe the system operators to get your specific stuff on it. In EU we got this organized so the same info is available on various servers, and is updated several times a day. Any info not on the server can be called from the web This is what you see when asking a files list from PI4TUE: atlantic 2009-04-01 10:12 8398 DL-wetter 2009-04-01 10:12 4042 highseas_uk 2009-04-01 10:12 10734 Kanal-Gibraltar 2009-04-01 10:12 61078 kueste 2009-04-01 10:12 1379 MMost 2009-04-01 10:12 22566 MMwest 2009-04-01 10:12 24980 navtex-dutch 2009-04-01 10:12 1529 navtex-emden 2009-04-01 10:12 5547 navtex-rostock 2009-04-01 10:12 3469 nordostsee 2009-04-01 10:12 28575 pings.log 2009-04-01 11:25 226 Stationsmeldungen 2009-04-01 10:12 1513 wx-dutch 2009-04-01 10:12 958 Mostly information for our sailing friends, and in various languages I am sure your imagination is able to extend this list... 73, Rein PA0R BTW, when I send a ping on 10148.0 here I get 5 servers answering... -- http://pa0r.blogspirit.com Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:digitalradio-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: digitalradio-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] PSKmail in Windows
It came out a few weeks ago and is so easy, even I can do it. Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Not able to get much of that happening here. The only server station has been wb5con so far. I pick up some other calls but not sure what they are doing. Just saw kd4qcl and seconds later saw kd5umw de kd5wdq. Maybe calling each other on the same frequency? I am hoping that as I use it more, and we have an increasing number of active servers, this system could become very practical by having one program that can help with multiple needs. As I have said before, having one program that can do what otherwise would require many different programs, would make this a very useful digital system. 73, Rick, KV9U Rein Couperus wrote: The latest version 0.3.3 ca already do a lot more... This is from the wiki: Send APRS Posit Send APRS message Send APRS email Send ping Send Link packet to server Receive APRS message Receive short email on APRS Receive weather (or other) bulletins automatically and store them. Set APRS Icon Set APRS Beacon Period (10, 30, 60 mins) Set APRS status message GPS connection (RS232 and USB) ARQ terminal mode: Get your mail from ISP (e.g. gmail) Send mail via ISP List, download and read files on the server (tell the sysop what you need) Telnet to any computer on the internet, e.g. your packet mailbox Get special info depending on your location from the web like: - tide information - List of APRS stations - List of messages on findu - For RV'ers a list of parking lots in a radius of 5 Miles from your location (EU only) - The latest wx bulletin - Grib files for zyGrib - Latest IAC fleetcode file for zyGrib etc, etc, etc... as PKSmail is a free decentralized system the sysops determine what info is available on the servers. You will have to bribe the system operators to get your specific stuff on it. In EU we got this organized so the same info is available on various servers, and is updated several times a day. Any info not on the server can be called from the web This is what you see when asking a files list from PI4TUE: atlantic 2009-04-01 10:12 8398 DL-wetter 2009-04-01 10:12 4042 highseas_uk 2009-04-01 10:12 10734 Kanal-Gibraltar 2009-04-01 10:12 61078 kueste 2009-04-01 10:12 1379 MMost 2009-04-01 10:12 22566 MMwest 2009-04-01 10:12 24980 navtex-dutch 2009-04-01 10:12 1529 navtex-emden 2009-04-01 10:12 5547 navtex-rostock 2009-04-01 10:12 3469 nordostsee 2009-04-01 10:12 28575 pings.log 2009-04-01 11:25 226 Stationsmeldungen 2009-04-01 10:12 1513 wx-dutch 2009-04-01 10:12 958 Mostly information for our sailing friends, and in various languages I am sure your imagination is able to extend this list... 73, Rein PA0R BTW, when I send a ping on 10148.0 here I get 5 servers answering... No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.34/2032 - Release Date: 03/31/09 06:02:00
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Rick, well the only I have heard today was VE7SUN @12:00 UTC, 30m seems dead hr in Texas. Russell Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its called the PRESENT! IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Rick W mrf...@frontiernet.net wrote: From: Rick W mrf...@frontiernet.net Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server? To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:49 AM Not able to get much of that happening here. The only server station has been wb5con so far. I pick up some other calls but not sure what they are doing. Just saw kd4qcl and seconds later saw kd5umw de kd5wdq. Maybe calling each other on the same frequency? I am hoping that as I use it more, and we have an increasing number of active servers, this system could become very practical by having one program that can help with multiple needs. As I have said before, having one program that can do what otherwise would require many different programs, would make this a very useful digital system. 73, Rick, KV9U Rein Couperus wrote: The latest version 0.3.3 ca already do a lot more... This is from the wiki: Send APRS Posit Send APRS message Send APRS email Send ping Send Link packet to server Receive APRS message Receive short email on APRS Receive weather (or other) bulletins automatically and store them. Set APRS Icon Set APRS Beacon Period (10, 30, 60 mins) Set APRS status message GPS connection (RS232 and USB) ARQ terminal mode: Get your mail from ISP (e.g. gmail) Send mail via ISP List, download and read files on the server (tell the sysop what you need) Telnet to any computer on the internet, e.g. your packet mailbox Get special info depending on your location from the web like: - tide information - List of APRS stations - List of messages on findu - For RV'ers a list of parking lots in a radius of 5 Miles from your location (EU only) - The latest wx bulletin - Grib files for zyGrib - Latest IAC fleetcode file for zyGrib etc, etc, etc... as PKSmail is a free decentralized system the sysops determine what info is available on the servers. You will have to bribe the system operators to get your specific stuff on it. In EU we got this organized so the same info is available on various servers, and is updated several times a day. Any info not on the server can be called from the web This is what you see when asking a files list from PI4TUE: atlantic 2009-04-01 10:12 8398 DL-wetter 2009-04-01 10:12 4042 highseas_uk 2009-04-01 10:12 10734 Kanal-Gibraltar 2009-04-01 10:12 61078 kueste 2009-04-01 10:12 1379 MMost 2009-04-01 10:12 22566 MMwest 2009-04-01 10:12 24980 navtex-dutch 2009-04-01 10:12 1529 navtex-emden 2009-04-01 10:12 5547 navtex-rostock 2009-04-01 10:12 3469 nordostsee 2009-04-01 10:12 28575 pings.log 2009-04-01 11:25 226 Stationsmeldungen 2009-04-01 10:12 1513 wx-dutch 2009-04-01 10:12 958 Mostly information for our sailing friends, and in various languages... . I am sure your imagination is able to extend this list... 73, Rein PA0R BTW, when I send a ping on 10148.0 here I get 5 servers answering... - - - - - - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.34/2032 - Release Date: 03/31/09 06:02:00
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
If PSKmail becomes popular here in the U.S., we will likely have many more servers than at present. Something that has been lacking with all other systems is the minimal use of the lower bands for NVIS operation. As long as there is a path close to (but not exceeding) the MUF, the signal quality will often be the best, but the longer paths may not be open, when shorter ones are open most of the time. We have at least one group here in my state that attempts to use an 80 meter 300 baud packet BBS but I know they have a lot of retries and probably time outs with the messages not always getting through on NVIS. This means that other protocols need to be developed since PSK250 is probably no better and maybe not quite as good as 2FSK300? Another thought is it possible to use PSKmail on VHF? It would seem like a good fit for moderate distance communication, local to maybe 100 miles? Maybe even with FM and vertical polarization, which 99% of active hams already have available? Has anyone tried this in EU or other parts of the world? 73, Rick, KV9U Russell Blair wrote: Rick, well the only I have heard today was VE7SUN @12:00 UTC, 30m seems dead hr in Texas. Russell
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Hi Howard, During the daytime, 160, 80, and sometimes 40 meters are NVIS capable depending upon world location, but for sure 40 meters is usually open for lower angle distances and can be very good. NVIS just means that you can get the close in stations as well as more distant station, so there is no skip zone. Linux has not been very successful here in the U.S. with most ham computer users. Even the ones who are very techy, such as myself, find it mediocre as an operating system. Several of my ham friends have tried it over the years too and abandoned it. A nearby ham, who is very tech oriented decided a few months ago that he was going to really get into Linux, until he really tried it and realized it just was not going to work for him and he is an electronics engineer. That has been the case with most other hams I know and some of us, myself included, really, really, wanted to like the OS, even with its shortcomings. But it just has not been very practical at this point because like so many things in life, the trade-offs are too great:( 73, Rick, KV9U Howard Brown wrote: GM Rick, I have been listening for PSKmail stations for some time. NVIS could be valuable at times but it would also be useful to have servers available on 40 and 80 meters under current conditions. These servers would be reachable from distances greater than NVIS and compensate for weak propagation in the 100 to 500 mile range. I think the guys in Europe are way ahead of us with this software. They don't seem to be so afraid of Linux. Howard K5HB *From:* Rick W mrf...@frontiernet.net *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, April 1, 2009 9:22:59 AM *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server? If PSKmail becomes popular here in the U.S., we will likely have many more servers than at present. Something that has been lacking with all other systems is the minimal use of the lower bands for NVIS operation. As long as there is a path close to (but not exceeding) the MUF, the signal quality will often be the best, but the longer paths may not be open, when shorter ones are open most of the time. We have at least one group here in my state that attempts to use an 80 meter 300 baud packet BBS but I know they have a lot of retries and probably time outs with the messages not always getting through on NVIS. This means that other protocols need to be developed since PSK250 is probably no better and maybe not quite as good as 2FSK300? Another thought is it possible to use PSKmail on VHF? It would seem like a good fit for moderate distance communication, local to maybe 100 miles? Maybe even with FM and vertical polarization, which 99% of active hams already have available? Has anyone tried this in EU or other parts of the world? 73, Rick, KV9U Russell Blair wrote: Rick, well the only I have heard today was VE7SUN @12:00 UTC, 30m seems dead hr in Texas. Russell No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.35/2034 - Release Date: 04/01/09 06:06:00
[digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Is the software for the PSKMAIL sever side Linux based only ? I thought it would be useful if we had half-dozen more servers in North America but having to run Linux may dissuade some. Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Yes, the server is linux only at the moment. Ultimate goal is to use a LAMP server without a GUI in future, but fldigi needs the GUI :) We may also port the server to java some time, but we have to do it step by step. BTW, it is quite easy to install a server on UBUNTU, The installation proces has been automated. Most of the trouble is to get the fldigi/trx combination running, the rest is easy. 73, Rein PA0R -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com Gesendet: 31.03.09 14:19:31 An: digitalradio digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server? Is the software for the PSKMAIL sever side Linux based only ? I thought it would be useful if we had half-dozen more servers in North America but having to run Linux may dissuade some. Andy K3UK Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://pa0r.blogspirit.com Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:digitalradio-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: digitalradio-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Since so few hams need to install servers, perhaps this could be one of the rare exceptions where some of us might consider actually dedicating a computer to Linux, for this special application? Most hams here in the U.S. would likely be accessing the server with a MS Windows based OS as that becomes available. If PSKmail became popular, we might need a fair number of servers, although some could be on standby. If I understand PSKmail correctly, it is possible to set up ad hoc servers as needed. You do not have the centralized politics that is done by design with other systems. Individuals and groups use their independent judgment when and where placement is made for a server. For example, some servers could be on standby and be activated for an emergency situation. You could also use MF and NVIS type operation that is not done much with other systems although it may require a better protocol than PSK for consistent results. 73, Rick, KV9U Andy obrien wrote: Is the software for the PSKMAIL sever side Linux based only ? I thought it would be useful if we had half-dozen more servers in North America but having to run Linux may dissuade some. Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Rick, I saw your call wile I was listening on 10.148 PSK250 is that a server your. I'm looking for a call to try to connect to. Russell Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its called the PRESENT! IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Rick W mrf...@frontiernet.net wrote: From: Rick W mrf...@frontiernet.net Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server? To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:02 AM Since so few hams need to install servers, perhaps this could be one of the rare exceptions where some of us might consider actually dedicating a computer to Linux, for this special application? Most hams here in the U.S. would likely be accessing the server with a MS Windows based OS as that becomes available. If PSKmail became popular, we might need a fair number of servers, although some could be on standby. If I understand PSKmail correctly, it is possible to set up ad hoc servers as needed. You do not have the centralized politics that is done by design with other systems. Individuals and groups use their independent judgment when and where placement is made for a server. For example, some servers could be on standby and be activated for an emergency situation. You could also use MF and NVIS type operation that is not done much with other systems although it may require a better protocol than PSK for consistent results. 73, Rick, KV9U Andy obrien wrote: Is the software for the PSKMAIL sever side Linux based only ? I thought it would be useful if we had half-dozen more servers in North America but having to run Linux may dissuade some. Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:50:11 +0200, Rein Couperus r...@couperus.com said: Yes, the server is linux only at the moment. Ultimate goal is to use a LAMP server without a GUI in future, but fldigi needs the GUI :) Fldigi needs an X11 display (on Linux/FreeBSD), which makes it non-straightforward to use in server mode. But it's possible with a fake X server such as Xvfb. Excerpt from Xvfb(1): Xvfb is an X server that can run on machines with no display hardware and no physical input devices. It emulates a dumb framebuffer using virtual memory. Here's how you'd use it with fldigi: ssh remote-host Xvfb -ac :99 fldigi -display :99 Debian (and I expect Ubuntu as well) has a convenient shell script wrapper for this, xvfb-run: xvfb-run fldigi -display :99 This ssh command runs fldigi on a remote host and also forwards fldigi's xml-rpc port so that you can then control it with fldigi-shell (or other client): ssh -L 7362:localhost:7362 remote-host xvfb-run fldigi -display :99 You could in addition forward port 7322 to tunnel the ARQ connection so that the pskmail server can be run locally. I'm guessing that you manage the remote pskmail server and fldigi using VNC. If that's only because you need to interact with fldigi, you may find that the xml-rpc interface has all you need, and that you can use the above method to simplify the setup somewhat. A headless fldigi can be very useful; for example you could run a fldigi/pskmail server on a Marvell SheevaPlug or a Beagle Board. Take a look at the xml-rpc methods (fldigi --xmlrpc-list) and let us know if there's anything that could be added for pskmail. The main thing that's missing right now is functions to change RTTY and Olivia parameters (I plan to add them RSN), but I don't think pskmail uses these modems. 73, Stelios, M0GLD.
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Tnx Stelios... that is very good news, I was not aware of the Xvfb server. Some reading necssary. Most pskmail servers are indeed run headless, and remote controlled via VNC. Once they are running they need no maintenance, and the GUI uses resources which are unnecessary for the function they perform... Tnx again, some more experimenting to do :) Rein PA0R -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Stelios Bounanos digra...@enotty.net Gesendet: 31.03.09 19:45:04 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com CC: Rein Couperus r...@couperus.com Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server? On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:50:11 +0200, Rein Couperus r...@couperus.com said: Yes, the server is linux only at the moment. Ultimate goal is to use a LAMP server without a GUI in future, but fldigi needs the GUI :) Fldigi needs an X11 display (on Linux/FreeBSD), which makes it non-straightforward to use in server mode. But it's possible with a fake X server such as Xvfb. Excerpt from Xvfb(1): Xvfb is an X server that can run on machines with no display hardware and no physical input devices. It emulates a dumb framebuffer using virtual memory. Here's how you'd use it with fldigi: ssh remote-host Xvfb -ac :99 fldigi -display :99 Debian (and I expect Ubuntu as well) has a convenient shell script wrapper for this, xvfb-run: xvfb-run fldigi -display :99 This ssh command runs fldigi on a remote host and also forwards fldigi's xml-rpc port so that you can then control it with fldigi-shell (or other client): ssh -L 7362:localhost:7362 remote-host xvfb-run fldigi -display :99 You could in addition forward port 7322 to tunnel the ARQ connection so that the pskmail server can be run locally. I'm guessing that you manage the remote pskmail server and fldigi using VNC. If that's only because you need to interact with fldigi, you may find that the xml-rpc interface has all you need, and that you can use the above method to simplify the setup somewhat. A headless fldigi can be very useful; for example you could run a fldigi/pskmail server on a Marvell SheevaPlug or a Beagle Board. Take a look at the xml-rpc methods (fldigi --xmlrpc-list) and let us know if there's anything that could be added for pskmail. The main thing that's missing right now is functions to change RTTY and Olivia parameters (I plan to add them RSN), but I don't think pskmail uses these modems. 73, Stelios, M0GLD. Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://pa0r.blogspirit.com Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:digitalradio-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: digitalradio-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
I am not that knowledgeable about PSKmail yet, but from what I understand, if I go to the APRS tab and use the Ping button, any server stations on frequency that can hear me will respond back. So far, the only station that has ever responded has been WB5CON. At this moment, of the seven listed USA servers (includes Alaska), only WB5CON, KD5WDQ, and KD4QCL may be active based on the PSKmail server web status. WB5CON is about 750 miles from my location and on 30 meters that is about right for daytime propagation. The other callsign I have seen that I think is attempting to connect, or is connecting to WB5CON, is KD5UMW from TX. I am not completely understanding what you can do with PSKmail such as listing files, etc. Not much happens when I connect but maybe my connection is not good enough? I realize that the Windows version is not fully operational at this time, but it gives you a taste of the system. The peer to peer feature of PSKmail is not available so you would have to connect with a server only. The ability to connect to a peer is vital from my perspective since I am primarily interested in the public service/emergency capabilities of these kinds of systems. Otherwise, you need multiple systems for e-mail, peer to peer, local servers, etc. and it is rare to find enough hams who are willing to do this. Our local group is trying to piggyback off a resurgence of SSB activity here in the northern midwest U.S. to see if we can get interest in digital VHF FM using vertical polarization with Domino EX or any digital modes for that matter. If it proves possible to get some interest, we might be able to expose new hams to other alternatives. Only a tiny number have the slightest interest, but you have to start somewhere. 73, Rick, KV9U Russell Blair wrote: Rick, I saw your call wile I was listening on 10.148 PSK250 is that a server your. I'm looking for a call to try to connect to.
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Rick, Thanks for you responce to my mail. Russell NC5O Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its called the PRESENT! IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Rick W mrf...@frontiernet.net wrote: From: Rick W mrf...@frontiernet.net Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server? To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 2:23 PM I am not that knowledgeable about PSKmail yet, but from what I understand, if I go to the APRS tab and use the Ping button, any server stations on frequency that can hear me will respond back. So far, the only station that has ever responded has been WB5CON. At this moment, of the seven listed USA servers (includes Alaska), only WB5CON, KD5WDQ, and KD4QCL may be active based on the PSKmail server web status. WB5CON is about 750 miles from my location and on 30 meters that is about right for daytime propagation. The other callsign I have seen that I think is attempting to connect, or is connecting to WB5CON, is KD5UMW from TX. I am not completely understanding what you can do with PSKmail such as listing files, etc. Not much happens when I connect but maybe my connection is not good enough? I realize that the Windows version is not fully operational at this time, but it gives you a taste of the system. The peer to peer feature of PSKmail is not available so you would have to connect with a server only. The ability to connect to a peer is vital from my perspective since I am primarily interested in the public service/emergency capabilities of these kinds of systems. Otherwise, you need multiple systems for e-mail, peer to peer, local servers, etc. and it is rare to find enough hams who are willing to do this. Our local group is trying to piggyback off a resurgence of SSB activity here in the northern midwest U.S. to see if we can get interest in digital VHF FM using vertical polarization with Domino EX or any digital modes for that matter. If it proves possible to get some interest, we might be able to expose new hams to other alternatives. Only a tiny number have the slightest interest, but you have to start somewhere. 73, Rick, KV9U Russell Blair wrote: Rick, I saw your call wile I was listening on 10.148 PSK250 is that a server your. I'm looking for a call to try to connect to.
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Hi Rick, Great that you decided to try out the java client, good to hear that you had some success as well. Yes, any server that receives a ping will respond. I see that WB5CON did answer your pings and that you were able to link and connect to that server. I also see that you were able to list the files at the server, wasn't many files there (only pings.log) but the listing worked :-) The server saying Hi KV9U, pse update your record is an indication that it lacks information about you (how to get your email for instance). You can enter settings through the options and then upload them to the server when connected. You can then access your pop email account, send email etc. You can also do stuff without updating any info on the server, browsing the web, getting camp sites, weather and much more. Much of what you can do with the java client is in the fast start pdf that came with it, you may also have a look at the wiki where much of the information about the linux client is applicable, that info is available here: http://pskmail.wikispaces.com/operation As you said the java client is not 100% complete yet and the TTY mode will be added, its on a list of things to implement :-) 73 de Per, sm0rwo From: Rick W mrf...@frontiernet.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:23:49 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server? I am not that knowledgeable about PSKmail yet, but from what I understand, if I go to the APRS tab and use the Ping button, any server stations on frequency that can hear me will respond back. So far, the only station that has ever responded has been WB5CON. At this moment, of the seven listed USA servers (includes Alaska), only WB5CON, KD5WDQ, and KD4QCL may be active based on the PSKmail server web status. WB5CON is about 750 miles from my location and on 30 meters that is about right for daytime propagation. The other callsign I have seen that I think is attempting to connect, or is connecting to WB5CON, is KD5UMW from TX. I am not completely understanding what you can do with PSKmail such as listing files, etc. Not much happens when I connect but maybe my connection is not good enough? I realize that the Windows version is not fully operational at this time, but it gives you a taste of the system. The peer to peer feature of PSKmail is not available so you would have to connect with a server only. The ability to connect to a peer is vital from my perspective since I am primarily interested in the public service/emergency capabilities of these kinds of systems. Otherwise, you need multiple systems for e-mail, peer to peer, local servers, etc. and it is rare to find enough hams who are willing to do this. Our local group is trying to piggyback off a resurgence of SSB activity here in the northern midwest U.S. to see if we can get interest in digital VHF FM using vertical polarization with Domino EX or any digital modes for that matter. If it proves possible to get some interest, we might be able to expose new hams to other alternatives. Only a tiny number have the slightest interest, but you have to start somewhere. 73, Rick, KV9U Russell Blair wrote: Rick, I saw your call wile I was listening on 10.148 PSK250 is that a server your. I'm looking for a call to try to connect to.
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Wish someone would set up a UK server for testing purposes at least, could get on 7Mhz or 3.5Mhz. Would be ideal. I've never managed to connect with the Swedish / German servers yet. Must be doing something wrong!! Using JPSKMAIL RX is fine with Fldigi but never connects. ---Original Message--- From: Andy obrien Date: 31/03/2009 13:19:31 To: digitalradio Subject: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server? Is the software for the PSKMAIL sever side Linux based only ? I thought it would be useful if we had half-dozen more servers in North America but having to run Linux may dissuade some. Andy K3UK newimage.jpg
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMAIL --- Gmail?
The servers communicate with gmail using TLS. For a gmail address the pop user id must be set to addr...@gmail.com, pop host is pop.gmail.com 73, Rein PA0R -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Andrew O'Brien k3uka...@gmail.com Gesendet: 22.03.09 01:20:23 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [digitalradio] PSKMAIL --- Gmail? How is gmail set up for pskmail ? Andy K3UK Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://pa0r.blogspirit.com Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:digitalradio-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: digitalradio-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail QRG and features/issues
In EU only 500 Hz bandwidth is allowed on 30 meters. I would suggest those interested in pskmail to discuss further on the pskmail list, you are invited to join at http://www.freelists.org/archive/pskmail. The chances you get help there are bigger and to organize the servers all present server ops should be part of the discussion. By the way, you can ask some of the servers to QSY to a traffic frequency if you expect to have a longer session, so the APRS/calling frequency remains clear. It also helps if the servers listen on that frequency during one minute in the cycle, so if you call there at the right point in time you will not disturb the calling/APRS frequency. Not all servers do this yet, as it requires freq. control of the transmitter. All a matter of organization 73, Rein PA0R PS: This mode is only interesting for mobile or emergency stations which lack internet so the activity on the servers will drop quickly :) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Rick W mrf...@frontiernet.net Gesendet: 22.03.09 02:59:19 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail QRG and features/issues My preference would be to follow the band plan. Assuming I understand things correctly, on 30 meters it is intended that modes up to 2700 Hz remain in the 10.140 - 10.150 sub band and all narrow digimodes (500 Hz or less) in the 10.130 - 10.140, with 10.100 - 10.130 for CW. There is no comment on automatic operation on that band. Why not operate on what has been an unused part of the band from about 10.132 - 10.138? Do you hear stations operating in that part in your region? I tune around quite a bit and have found it pretty much dead. As far as busy frequency detection, I suspect that Winlink 2000 may continue with their rather open viewpoint expressed by their administrator that turning off such protection is needed due to malicious activities and because the bands are so busy. But then again maybe they will surprise us. 73, Rick, KV9U kh6ty wrote: Rick wrote: It was very difficult to actually use the frequency due to many other stations transmitting on top of the server and my signals. What! You were on the frequency first and someone transmitted over top of you? Don't they always listen first? ;-) Therefore, we must be very grateful for Rein's decision to stay in the area with the other automatic stations, even if his signal is narrow and could go elsewhere. However, it might be feasible to operate PSKmail in the guardbands between Pactor-3 station assigned frequencies with less QRM. I think that Pactor-3 seldom uses more than 2100 Hz bandwidth, but the channel is 2500 Hz wide. I hope all future mailbox operators will be just as considerate. An automatic station is unable to QSY, even if it could hear that it was interferring with an ongoing QSO, because it is necessary for it to remain on a published frequency in order to be contactable, and besides, there is nobody present at the automatic station in order to shift frequency. How long do you REALLY expect the Winmor busy channel detector to stay enabled! 73, Skip KH6TY http://kh6ty.home.comcast.net Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://pa0r.blogspirit.com Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:digitalradio-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: digitalradio-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] PSKmail QRG and features/issues
Of course, about 1 minute after I sent the message, I discovered the information on the center frequency and it is as I had hoped. But ... Wow! Just tried out some of the PSKmail features and find it very interesting. Once I realized that the Ping command will bring up any of the servers that can hear you and tried it, the latency is about zero. Almost instant response from a human perspective. Then no problem connecting to the server that I kicked up. This is better than any other mail system I have used in the past. Issues/Suggestions: - It was very difficult to actually use the frequency due to many other stations transmitting on top of the server and my signals. - on the 30 meter band here in Region 2, the 10.140-10.150 area is quite busy with the wide bandwidth modes that must operate here in order to follow the band plan and FCC requirements for wide band. For example, one of the two tones of a Pactor station covered the PSK250 tone and then a MIL-STD-188-141A 8FSK125 transmission had its uppermost tone obliterating anything that tries to use a narrow mode centered on 10.148. In fact, at one point all three of us were trying to us the same frequency! - since PSK250 is just about right at 500 Hz in bandwidth, wouldn't it be more appropriate to keep PSKmail in the 10.130-10.140 area which has the band plan already designed for modes up to 500 Hz wide? We do need to keep away from the commercial?/government? RTTY station located around 10.130. - here in the U.S. stations that are operating automatically on HF can operate anyplace within the RTTY/data portions of the bands as long as the server stations only transmits when interrogated by a human operator on the other side. And I think I am correct that this is the way PSKmail works. - the other issue is the pulling of fldigi's receive frequency too far from the center frequency. I am skeptical that PSK250 is the best mode for any but good conditions since it is not very sensitive (- 2 db SNR). It will be a tremendous benefit if we can use modes such as DominoEX that would not require AFC. 73, Rick, KV9U Rick W wrote: What should be the set frequency? If the listed frequency of the server is 10.148, does that mean the center frequency? Therefore, if you have the center frequency set at 1500 Hz audio, you would put the rig at 10.146.5 USB dial frequency? 73, Rick, KV9U
[digitalradio] PSKMAIL --- Gmail?
How is gmail set up for pskmail ? Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail QRG and features/issues
Rick wrote: It was very difficult to actually use the frequency due to many other stations transmitting on top of the server and my signals. What! You were on the frequency first and someone transmitted over top of you? Don't they always listen first? ;-) Therefore, we must be very grateful for Rein's decision to stay in the area with the other automatic stations, even if his signal is narrow and could go elsewhere. However, it might be feasible to operate PSKmail in the guardbands between Pactor-3 station assigned frequencies with less QRM. I think that Pactor-3 seldom uses more than 2100 Hz bandwidth, but the channel is 2500 Hz wide. I hope all future mailbox operators will be just as considerate. An automatic station is unable to QSY, even if it could hear that it was interferring with an ongoing QSO, because it is necessary for it to remain on a published frequency in order to be contactable, and besides, there is nobody present at the automatic station in order to shift frequency. How long do you REALLY expect the Winmor busy channel detector to stay enabled! 73, Skip KH6TY http://kh6ty.home.comcast.net - Original Message - From: Rick W To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:51 PM Subject: [digitalradio] PSKmail QRG and features/issues Of course, about 1 minute after I sent the message, I discovered the information on the center frequency and it is as I had hoped. But ... Wow! Just tried out some of the PSKmail features and find it very interesting. Once I realized that the Ping command will bring up any of the servers that can hear you and tried it, the latency is about zero. Almost instant response from a human perspective. Then no problem connecting to the server that I kicked up. This is better than any other mail system I have used in the past. Issues/Suggestions: - It was very difficult to actually use the frequency due to many other stations transmitting on top of the server and my signals. - on the 30 meter band here in Region 2, the 10.140-10.150 area is quite busy with the wide bandwidth modes that must operate here in order to follow the band plan and FCC requirements for wide band. For example, one of the two tones of a Pactor station covered the PSK250 tone and then a MIL-STD-188-141A 8FSK125 transmission had its uppermost tone obliterating anything that tries to use a narrow mode centered on 10.148. In fact, at one point all three of us were trying to us the same frequency! - since PSK250 is just about right at 500 Hz in bandwidth, wouldn't it be more appropriate to keep PSKmail in the 10.130-10.140 area which has the band plan already designed for modes up to 500 Hz wide? We do need to keep away from the commercial?/government? RTTY station located around 10.130. - here in the U.S. stations that are operating automatically on HF can operate anyplace within the RTTY/data portions of the bands as long as the server stations only transmits when interrogated by a human operator on the other side. And I think I am correct that this is the way PSKmail works. - the other issue is the pulling of fldigi's receive frequency too far from the center frequency. I am skeptical that PSK250 is the best mode for any but good conditions since it is not very sensitive (- 2 db SNR). It will be a tremendous benefit if we can use modes such as DominoEX that would not require AFC. 73, Rick, KV9U Rick W wrote: What should be the set frequency? If the listed frequency of the server is 10.148, does that mean the center frequency? Therefore, if you have the center frequency set at 1500 Hz audio, you would put the rig at 10.146.5 USB dial frequency? 73, Rick, KV9U
Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail QRG and features/issues
My preference would be to follow the band plan. Assuming I understand things correctly, on 30 meters it is intended that modes up to 2700 Hz remain in the 10.140 - 10.150 sub band and all narrow digimodes (500 Hz or less) in the 10.130 - 10.140, with 10.100 - 10.130 for CW. There is no comment on automatic operation on that band. Why not operate on what has been an unused part of the band from about 10.132 - 10.138? Do you hear stations operating in that part in your region? I tune around quite a bit and have found it pretty much dead. As far as busy frequency detection, I suspect that Winlink 2000 may continue with their rather open viewpoint expressed by their administrator that turning off such protection is needed due to malicious activities and because the bands are so busy. But then again maybe they will surprise us. 73, Rick, KV9U kh6ty wrote: Rick wrote: It was very difficult to actually use the frequency due to many other stations transmitting on top of the server and my signals. What! You were on the frequency first and someone transmitted over top of you? Don't they always listen first? ;-) Therefore, we must be very grateful for Rein's decision to stay in the area with the other automatic stations, even if his signal is narrow and could go elsewhere. However, it might be feasible to operate PSKmail in the guardbands between Pactor-3 station assigned frequencies with less QRM. I think that Pactor-3 seldom uses more than 2100 Hz bandwidth, but the channel is 2500 Hz wide. I hope all future mailbox operators will be just as considerate. An automatic station is unable to QSY, even if it could hear that it was interferring with an ongoing QSO, because it is necessary for it to remain on a published frequency in order to be contactable, and besides, there is nobody present at the automatic station in order to shift frequency. How long do you REALLY expect the Winmor busy channel detector to stay enabled! 73, Skip KH6TY http://kh6ty.home.comcast.net
Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail
Technically not a big deal indeed. But we are still talking about a few months of spare time :) I will think about it. It might even bring some new life to the packet network. Where I live it is a dying sport. Traffic on our local node (PI1EHV) has gone down to some 10% of what it was... 73, Rein PA0R That is what I would like to do - use pskmail as an internet gateway for an AX25 network on VHF with a TNC like my KAM+. Do I understand that this might not be a big deal? If you also wanted to add the afsk modem, perhaps it might be helpful to examine the source code (in C) for Thomas Sailer's soundmodem at http://www.baycom.org/~tom/ham/soundmodem/ ... 73, Howard K5HB -- http://pa0r.blogspirit.com Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/drsked/drsked.php View the DRCC numbers database at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/database Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail
I have downloaded pskmail_pup_w-0.5.5.zip It has installed ok and runs ok on Win. It has FLDIGI and FLARQ pre-installed. FLDIGI runs ok, but I cannot at this stage get PTT working I aparently cannot nominate the correct com port. The com port, in Windows, is com 3 (a PCI Com Card). I will eventually sort this out, the main problem is that I cannot find any sign of pskmail. Was pskmail actually included in this distro, if so where can I find it. Kevin VK5OA Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/drsked/drsked.php View the DRCC numbers database at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/database Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail
That is what I would like to do - use pskmail as an internet gateway for an AX25 network on VHF with a TNC like my KAM+. Do I understand that this might not be a big deal? If you also wanted to add the afsk modem, perhaps it might be helpful to examine the source code (in C) for Thomas Sailer's soundmodem at http://www.baycom.org/~tom/ham/soundmodem/ ... 73, Howard K5HB - Original Message From: Rein Couperus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 3:19:05 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail To write an interface for a KAM+ is fairly trivial, but I think for 1200 Bd AFSK parts of pskmail would have to be rewritten in C or C++, as PSK250 seems to be the limit for perl. That would be a major project, and if I decide to do it, it will take me several years to finish. Unless I get help :) What could be interesting is to use the pskmail server as an internet gateway for an AX25 network on VHF/UHF. It is now already possible to use PSK250 over FM. 73, Rein PA0R -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Gesendet: 31.12.07 00:47:05 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail What is the likelihood of getting PSKmail interfaced to a hardware modem like the KAM+ ? That sure would come in handy at VHF (for Packet). 73, Howard K5HB - Original Message From: Rein Couperus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 4:25:22 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail If you have a windows XP machine with 512 MB RAM you may want to try the windows version of the pskmail client. The puppy Linux image runs inside windows and is just 256 MB, so it runs entirely in RAM. As it uses QEMU not every soundcard is supported, only the VESA server works. But you don't have to leave windows for it :) Use 1024x768 resolution. The zip file is at http://sharon.esrac.ele.tue.nl/pub/linux/ham/pskmail/windows/ 73 Rein PA0R P.S.: Most servers use PSK250 now. see http://hermes.esrac.ele.tue.nl/maps/pskmailers.php -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Gesendet: 30.12.07 02:12:10 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [digitalradio] PSKmail I have discussed my misadventures with PSKmail enough. I wish that I could get it to work with at least one of my computers, one of which runs Kubuntu, but thus far no luck. Same with several others that I have talked to. My attempts to use an emulator and also to use a Virtual Machine approach. I probably have to increase memory in my dual boot Linux Kubuntu 7.10/Windows XP machine to do this. Rein had a nice youtube interview for those who would like to get some background information on PSKmail. But until it can operate under native Windows OS, I just don't see any interest as yet her in the U.S. I don't see current PSK modes competing directly with Pactor modes, even though both are PSK, because all of the sound card PSK modes are single tone. Pactor 2 uses two PSK tones always at 100 baud, but with different modulation. I am not sure why no one has come up with a two tone PSK sound card modem, but if they did, then they could start matching Pactor 2, especially if they had several different speeds or modulation. But like you say, it is completely open source, so over the long term, maybe things will advance to the point that it will be so compelling that you just have to have it:) 73, Rick, KV9U Demetre SV1UY wrote: For PSKmail information you can check http://www.freelists.org/archives/pskmail/ and perhaps it is a good idea if you also register there so you can follow the guys that are involved with it. Per PA0R has done a marvelous job with it and he uses FLDIGI as a modem, but you probably know all this. Per's code is open and anyone can implement it in any operating system, although he has a zip file and you can run PSKmail even in Windows with a Linux emulator, so you do not need to have a dual boot system. You just boot in your Windows OS and then run his Linux emulator as a Windows program where you can run PSKmail. Up to now they use PSK-250 and there are already a few experimental American servers online. This is a freeware soundcard program and I think it has the potential of reaching PACTOR-2 in a few years according to the pace they are going. Don't forget that really it is a one man's job and he gets nothing out of it, so it is marvelous what he has done, and more marvelous that he allows anyone to touch his code. Per PA0R is probably more interested in seen PSKmail progressing than his own personal glory. He is a true Radio Ham. This is unlike other code writers who although they allow everyone to use their program, they keep
Re: [digitalradio] PSKmail
If you have a windows XP machine with 512 MB RAM you may want to try the windows version of the pskmail client. The puppy Linux image runs inside windows and is just 256 MB, so it runs entirely in RAM. As it uses QEMU not every soundcard is supported, only the VESA server works. But you don't have to leave windows for it :) Use 1024x768 resolution. The zip file is at http://sharon.esrac.ele.tue.nl/pub/linux/ham/pskmail/windows/ 73 Rein PA0R P.S.: Most servers use PSK250 now. see http://hermes.esrac.ele.tue.nl/maps/pskmailers.php -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Gesendet: 30.12.07 02:12:10 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [digitalradio] PSKmail I have discussed my misadventures with PSKmail enough. I wish that I could get it to work with at least one of my computers, one of which runs Kubuntu, but thus far no luck. Same with several others that I have talked to. My attempts to use an emulator and also to use a Virtual Machine approach. I probably have to increase memory in my dual boot Linux Kubuntu 7.10/Windows XP machine to do this. Rein had a nice youtube interview for those who would like to get some background information on PSKmail. But until it can operate under native Windows OS, I just don't see any interest as yet her in the U.S. I don't see current PSK modes competing directly with Pactor modes, even though both are PSK, because all of the sound card PSK modes are single tone. Pactor 2 uses two PSK tones always at 100 baud, but with different modulation. I am not sure why no one has come up with a two tone PSK sound card modem, but if they did, then they could start matching Pactor 2, especially if they had several different speeds or modulation. But like you say, it is completely open source, so over the long term, maybe things will advance to the point that it will be so compelling that you just have to have it:) 73, Rick, KV9U Demetre SV1UY wrote: For PSKmail information you can check http://www.freelists.org/archives/pskmail/ and perhaps it is a good idea if you also register there so you can follow the guys that are involved with it. Per PA0R has done a marvelous job with it and he uses FLDIGI as a modem, but you probably know all this. Per's code is open and anyone can implement it in any operating system, although he has a zip file and you can run PSKmail even in Windows with a Linux emulator, so you do not need to have a dual boot system. You just boot in your Windows OS and then run his Linux emulator as a Windows program where you can run PSKmail. Up to now they use PSK-250 and there are already a few experimental American servers online. This is a freeware soundcard program and I think it has the potential of reaching PACTOR-2 in a few years according to the pace they are going. Don't forget that really it is a one man's job and he gets nothing out of it, so it is marvelous what he has done, and more marvelous that he allows anyone to touch his code. Per PA0R is probably more interested in seen PSKmail progressing than his own personal glory. He is a true Radio Ham. This is unlike other code writers who although they allow everyone to use their program, they keep their code to themselves. Of course it is everyone's right to protect their code and I do not blame anyone here, I am just stating a fact. 73 de Demetre SV1UY -- http://pa0r.blogspirit.com Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/drsked/drsked.php View the DRCC numbers database at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/database Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
