Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
On Saturday 08 March 2003 07:02 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: I am interested. Of course I am. I want to find out if it really is a kernel or mobo problem. Unless I can prove that my mobo is not working right I have no chance of giving it back. If you can help me trace the exact problem I would be gratefull. I would love to bring back the motherboard to the shop and buy one with no problem (probably a A7N8X), but unless I can prove it is not working I have no chance. Unfortunatelly I know no diagnostics program which could help me prove that. So please help me trace the problem to the origin. I am not that much of an expert, but would love to see my system work. I am a programmer myself, but not that much into hardware level programming and linux is my newfound love (been fiddling with it for about 2 years now), but never had to go this deep to trace a problem. So please help. Best regards, Adrian Hmm, OK with vga=788 try linux mem=892M and go up or down in 4M increments until you reach an unbootable (or bootable) situation. At some point in the procedure you should encounter the situation that you receive an error message on the screen about bad bridge mapping. This would be definitive proof of a broken BIOS, not a faulty motherboard, but rather a design flaw. Most likely you can reproduce crashy behavior in the other OS by adding tasks until most of RAM is filled up, if further proof of a motherboard flaw is needed. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
Thx. I will try that. I am also compiling now the kernel with debug for devfs, maybe the kmsgdump will provide more info this way when it crashes. I will let you know what I find out. I think that even if I don't get that message or so, I will still try to convince the store to change my card with a A7N8X.:) I will probably try to take advantage that I am top client in their store (I always buy hardware for me and the firm there and top one) and that they have no clue whatsoever about linux except that they also sell it. :) Best regards, Adrian civileme schrieb: On Saturday 08 March 2003 07:02 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: I am interested. Of course I am. I want to find out if it really is a kernel or mobo problem. Unless I can prove that my mobo is not working right I have no chance of giving it back. If you can help me trace the exact problem I would be gratefull. I would love to bring back the motherboard to the shop and buy one with no problem (probably a A7N8X), but unless I can prove it is not working I have no chance. Unfortunatelly I know no diagnostics program which could help me prove that. So please help me trace the problem to the origin. I am not that much of an expert, but would love to see my system work. I am a programmer myself, but not that much into hardware level programming and linux is my newfound love (been fiddling with it for about 2 years now), but never had to go this deep to trace a problem. So please help. Best regards, Adrian Hmm, OK with vga=788 try linux mem=892M and go up or down in 4M increments until you reach an unbootable (or bootable) situation. At some point in the procedure you should encounter the situation that you receive an error message on the screen about bad bridge mapping. This would be definitive proof of a broken BIOS, not a faulty motherboard, but rather a design flaw. Most likely you can reproduce crashy behavior in the other OS by adding tasks until most of RAM is filled up, if further proof of a motherboard flaw is needed. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
OK. After several fiddling here are the results: Lowest mem setting at which it still crashes is mem=888M. Highest at which it doesn't give any error (at least in the boot messages) is 848M (though there is something in the /var/log/dmesg). Between these 2 values it boots but it gives a lot of segmentation faults at boot. System at end has almost no modules loaded (can't access any devices beside the harddrive where linux is) and is highly unstable. I have the messages.txt for the mem=888M and ksymoops results when ran on it. I also have the /var/log/dmesg and ksymoops results when ran on them with mem=848M and 852M (first apparently stable but as said with something in the /var/log/dmesg and the first unstable with segfaults). I also have the /var/boot.log cut so it would show just today (all the tests) and also the /var/log/messages for today. In total about 661Kb of files. Anyone want them to try to make something out of them? I don't post it here directly so people wouldn't lynch me for posting such size of files to this list. I can send only part of not all needed. BTW, there is only one bad in there and that is not bad bridge mapping. It is a bad EIP value. Here is for now the result of ksymoops on the dmesg with the unstable boot (the one with a lot of segfaults is attached to this message) Funny stuff that the Warnings are about APIC stuff which I disabled in lilo.conf with NOAPIC and the bios is set to PIC and not to APIC. Thx for the help. Waiting for further instructions. :) Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore On Saturday 08 March 2003 07:02 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: I am interested. Of course I am. I want to find out if it really is a kernel or mobo problem. Unless I can prove that my mobo is not working right I have no chance of giving it back. If you can help me trace the exact problem I would be gratefull. I would love to bring back the motherboard to the shop and buy one with no problem (probably a A7N8X), but unless I can prove it is not working I have no chance. Unfortunatelly I know no diagnostics program which could help me prove that. So please help me trace the problem to the origin. I am not that much of an expert, but would love to see my system work. I am a programmer myself, but not that much into hardware level programming and linux is my newfound love (been fiddling with it for about 2 years now), but never had to go this deep to trace a problem. So please help. Best regards, Adrian Hmm, OK with vga=788 try linux mem=892M and go up or down in 4M increments until you reach an unbootable (or bootable) situation. At some point in the procedure you should encounter the situation that you receive an error message on the screen about bad bridge mapping. This would be definitive proof of a broken BIOS, not a faulty motherboard, but rather a design flaw. Most likely you can reproduce crashy behavior in the other OS by adding tasks until most of RAM is filled up, if further proof of a motherboard flaw is needed. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com ksymoops 2.4.8 on i686 2.4.21-0.15mm-mdkcustom. Options used -V (specified) -k /proc/ksyms (default) -l /proc/modules (default) -o /lib/modules/2.4.21-0.15mm-mdkcustom/ (default) -m /boot/System.map-2.4.21-0.15mm-mdkcustom (default) No modules in ksyms, skipping objects Warning (read_lsmod): no symbols in lsmod, is /proc/modules a valid lsmod file? f9C4²SD ÒtS@;PÀf ÀufÇC6fÿC44$è ¤©uø]ôuø}üÉÃD$ D$ üD$D$ìD$F Ç$ *ÀÇD$ÃE*ÀÇD$ÌE*ÀD$ è^úÿë¢Ç$*Àt[EMAIL PROTECTED]Ç$*À¿èúÿéÛþÿÿv¼'UåW1ÿV1öSì UÇEðX9ÆEìso Uè1Òð÷uè ÒuU UðBx4Uð9ØUÙü9ÈsrG9ØrY9ÈsUW9Úr']Ð9ÈsÇ FË;uìr¸Ä [^_ÉÃT$t$ ÇD$`*ÀEÇD$ÑE*À$è¤õÿÿ1ÀëÑD$t$ ÇD$ *Àë×]D$t$ ÇD$à*ÀÇD$ÑE*À $ëÅ´¼'UåWV1öS»ì}GþEè1À¶Mè¥ÞÓãá EóEظuð]ì4?Eì Nüt7úUð1Û1Ò¥ÂÓàá ñEÐEÃEìUð¸1Û1Ò¥ÂÓàá ùEпEÃEìUð]ì1Àuð¥ÞÓãöÁ EóEظuðÓà]ì1ö)Æ×9}ð| 9óvuì}ðEìUðÄ[^_ÉÃëU¹åWVSìHÇEàÇEä}ÇEìfÇEðfÇEò·wò¶Æ ÀÝ?À Òtó¶Ã ÀEÈùÿ˸NØǤ¤D$EòD$ EðD$EìD$E $è÷ÿÿ1Ò Àu 4Warning: null TTY for (%s) in %s Pid: %d, comm: %20s EIP: %04x:[%08lx] CPU: %d EFLAGS: %08lx%s DS: %04x ES: %04x Call Trace: [%08lx] %08lx Stack: Code: %02x Bad EIP value.bad filenamekernel BUG at %s:%d! 6testing NMI watchdog ... console shuts up ... ESI: %08lx EDI: %08lx EBP: %08lxCR0: %08lx CR2: %08lx CR3: %08lx CR4: %08lx WARNING: dead process %8s still has LDT? %p EIP
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
Some more fiddling: Recompiled the kernel without devfs and since it seemed to insist that APIC and ACPI things found though the lilo said noapic acpi=off pci=biosirq, I've changed my lilo so it would let apic and acpi=on. I also removed the pci=biosirq. The result is that at boot it doesn't crash anymore, but it displays nothing. I left it for a few minutes and I logged in blindly (still no display) and started X. Funny. X started ok and display came back. I checked /var/log/dmesg and here are the results as attachment. Also my new lilo.conf (I used the latest available kernel from mandrake 15mdk-mm). Can anyone understand any of this? I see also a BIOS BUG thing in the oops results. What does that mean? Any other usefull info in there about the origin of the crash? Best regards and thx for all the patience and help. :) Adrian Linux version 2.4.21-0.15mm-mdkcustom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 3.2.2 (Mandrake Linux 9.1 3.2.2-3mdk)) #10 Sun Mar 9 20:19:51 CET 2003 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: - 0009fc00 (usable) BIOS-e820: 0009fc00 - 000a (reserved) BIOS-e820: 000f - 0010 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0010 - 3fffc000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 3fffc000 - 3000 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 3000 - 4000 (ACPI NVS) BIOS-e820: fec0 - fec01000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: fee0 - fee01000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: - 0001 (reserved) 127MB HIGHMEM available. 896MB LOWMEM available. ACPI: have wakeup address 0xc0001000 On node 0 totalpages: 262140 zone(0): 4096 pages. zone(1): 225280 pages. zone(2): 32764 pages. ACPI: RSDP (v000 ASUS ) @ 0x000f5fd0 ACPI: RSDT (v001 ASUS A7V8X16944.11825) @ 0x3fffc000 ACPI: FADT (v001 ASUS A7V8X16944.11825) @ 0x3fffc0ae ACPI: TÀÿ? (v001 ASUS A7V8X16944.11825) @ 0x3fffc02c ACPI: DSDT (v001 ASUS A7V8X0.04096) @ 0x ACPI: BIOS passes blacklist ACPI: MADT not present Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=2421-015mm ro root=309 hdd=ide-scsi acpi=on ide_setup: hdd=ide-scsi Found and enabled local APIC! Initializing CPU#0 Detected 2000.121 MHz processor. Console: colour dummy device 80x25 Calibrating delay loop... 3984.58 BogoMIPS Memory: 1032752k/1048560k available (1544k kernel code, 15420k reserved, 1097k data, 140k init, 131056k highmem) Dentry cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 8, 1048576 bytes) Inode cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) Mount cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes) Buffer-cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) Page-cache hash table entries: 262144 (order: 8, 1048576 bytes) CPU: L1 I Cache: 64K (64 bytes/line), D cache 64K (64 bytes/line) CPU: L2 Cache: 256K (64 bytes/line) Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. CPU: After generic, caps: 0383fbff c1c3fbff CPU: Common caps: 0383fbff c1c3fbff CPU: AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2400+ stepping 01 Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX enabled ExtINT on CPU#0 ESR value before enabling vector: ESR value after enabling vector: Using local APIC timer interrupts. calibrating APIC timer ... . CPU clock speed is 2000.1599 MHz. . host bus clock speed is 266.6878 MHz. cpu: 0, clocks: 2666878, slice: 1333439 CPU0T0:2666864,T1:1333424,D:1,S:1333439,C:2666878 mtrr: v1.40 (20010327) Richard Gooch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) mtrr: detected mtrr type: Intel ACPI: Subsystem revision 20030122 PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xf1720, last bus=1 PCI: Using configuration type 1 ACPI: Interpreter enabled ACPI: Using PIC for interrupt routing ACPI: System [ACPI] (supports S0 S1 S4 S5) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 *11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 *10 11 12 14 15) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 14 15, enabled at IRQ 9) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 14 15, disabled) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKE] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 14, enabled at IRQ 9) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKF] (IRQs 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 14 15, disabled) ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (00:00) PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0._PRT] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.PCI1._PRT] PCI: Probing PCI hardware ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] enabled at IRQ 5 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKF] enabled at IRQ 0 PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device 00:11.1 - using IRQ 255 PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing PCI: if you experience problems, try using option 'pci=noacpi' or even 'acpi=off' isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... isapnp: No Plug Play device found Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4 Based upon
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adrian Golumbovici wrote on Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 02:07:29PM +0100 : 100% sure it is the mobo's fault and not the fault of linux? And BTW, I picked a random graphics mode at boot (vga=ask and selected 6 - 80x60) and it worked... Quoting /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt: So the table for the Kernel mode numbers are: | 640x480 800x600 1024x768 1280x1024 - +- 256 | 0x3010x3030x3050x307 32k | 0x3100x3130x3160x319 64k | 0x3110x3140x3170x31A 16M | 0x3120x3150x3180x31B 788 is 0x314, so do the math and try each one of these and see what happens. If you have trouble doing the math, use kcalc or xcalc and it can do the conversion for you just by clicking on the Decimal and Hex radio buttons. Blue skies... Todd - -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ Favourite shell: bash, though I also like 'init=/usr/bin/emacs' --Andrew Tridgell Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21-0.12mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+a6vdlp7v05cW2woRAj22AJ9ths9xqvM7gyDyd9UBqmUzS7rCjACeOAzQ sMxggz7IeFGcsTPgy5l5Jyg= =6mFE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
OK. I fiddled some more with it (a few hours). None of the parameters you gave me worked. Same problem. With the enterprise kernel there is a small difference which I noticed just now (or at least in the 12mdk enterprise kernel from cooker). It lights Scroll lock and Caps lock but doesn't blink. They just stay on. I tried booting failsafe and what do you know... It booted and reported my memory ok (1.032.900k). Then I tried adjusting the 12mdk parameters one by one to reflect the ones in failsafe and I isolated this one to be causing the kernel panic: vga=788 I switched again all the parameters to the original from the 12mdk enterprise kernel but left this vga=788 out and it booted with no problem. What the heck is/does vga=788 and why does it cause PCs to freeze when 1G memory installed?!? :/ Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Todd Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adrian Golumbovici wrote on Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 11:30:00AM +0100 : I just bought another 512MB DDR PC333 module for my PC and now my linux won't boot anymore. I tried an update from CD, installer doesn't work either. Memory just went through a 3 hours memtest86 and no error found. Windows handles it OK (I have a dual boot with Win2k pro). It just loads lilo, but when selecting linux it goes into a black screen and doesn't react to any commands. The Scroll lock and Caps lock leds are blinking continuously. :( Probably not a useful question, but is it at the rate of 1/2 second per blink? If you look at the /usr/src/linux/kernel/panic.c file, you'll see that something failed and called the panic_blink() function. It's a function that never stops. The panic_blink() function is actually defined in /usr/src/linux/drivers/char/pc_keyb.c and it just alternates the mode of the 0x01 and 0x04 bits, which are Scroll Lock and Caps Lock respectively. Now what called that is quite possibly something that is going to be a lot more difficult to find out. Try passing 'noapic noacpi nodma ide0=nodma nomce acpi=off pci=biosirq' and see if _something_ happens. Basically the linux kernel has a VERY big problem with your motherboard. Blue skies... Todd - -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21-0.12mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+aUE/lp7v05cW2woRAmrFAJ9rZAwO485Q8Oq1Urt591PsRwpWDwCgxgzG ih7LRyXknMzxqO0ztJfHdSw= =N6KH -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
Todd Lyons wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adrian Golumbovici wrote on Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 06:23:13PM +0100 : Also I checked and mem=960M doesn't help and the enterprise kernel has same problem. I tried lowering the mem value even further and with 900 didn't work. With 800 it worked (both distro kernel and enterprise). :/ The actual crossover point is 896 Megs (or 892, I can never remember). *lol* why does this feel so damn known to me ??? :) Regarding that - I also remember many people having had problems with ACPI enabled in the CMOS-Setup. You could also try disabling the ACPI (Power management) in your motherboard, especially the suspend to ram etc. functions which screw up some things... Guess we have almost done a complete turnaround of testing capabilities here :) Cheers Joerg -- | Joerg Mertin : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Home)| | in Neuchâtel/Schweiz : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Work)| | Stardust's LiNUX System : | | PGP 2.6.3in Key on Demand : Voice Fax: +41(0)32 / 725 52 54 | Home-Page: http://www.solsys.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
On Saturday 08 March 2003 06:48 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: OK. I fiddled some more with it (a few hours). None of the parameters you gave me worked. Same problem. With the enterprise kernel there is a small difference which I noticed just now (or at least in the 12mdk enterprise kernel from cooker). It lights Scroll lock and Caps lock but doesn't blink. They just stay on. I tried booting failsafe and what do you know... It booted and reported my memory ok (1.032.900k). Then I tried adjusting the 12mdk parameters one by one to reflect the ones in failsafe and I isolated this one to be causing the kernel panic: vga=788 I switched again all the parameters to the original from the 12mdk enterprise kernel but left this vga=788 out and it booted with no problem. What the heck is/does vga=788 and why does it cause PCs to freeze when 1G memory installed?!? :/ Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Todd Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore that number is a video mode, were was it that you changed it (in lilo? compileing a kernel? how long did you let the lockup sit? you may have just been booting using a mode your video card could not do, so rather than do a display that would hurt the card, you got no display, and it may have come back had you let it sit 3 mins with a working X, or at leasta command prompt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
I left it for a couple of minutes, but with no reaction and those lights on keyboard lighting (which normally don't light) I figured it crashed. Anyway, if that mode is not supported by my video card, why does that setting work with 512MB but it freezes as long as it has 1024MB RAM?!? Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: et [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore On Saturday 08 March 2003 06:48 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: OK. I fiddled some more with it (a few hours). None of the parameters you gave me worked. Same problem. With the enterprise kernel there is a small difference which I noticed just now (or at least in the 12mdk enterprise kernel from cooker). It lights Scroll lock and Caps lock but doesn't blink. They just stay on. I tried booting failsafe and what do you know... It booted and reported my memory ok (1.032.900k). Then I tried adjusting the 12mdk parameters one by one to reflect the ones in failsafe and I isolated this one to be causing the kernel panic: vga=788 I switched again all the parameters to the original from the 12mdk enterprise kernel but left this vga=788 out and it booted with no problem. What the heck is/does vga=788 and why does it cause PCs to freeze when 1G memory installed?!? :/ Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Todd Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore that number is a video mode, were was it that you changed it (in lilo? compileing a kernel? how long did you let the lockup sit? you may have just been booting using a mode your video card could not do, so rather than do a display that would hurt the card, you got no display, and it may have come back had you let it sit 3 mins with a working X, or at leasta command prompt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
On Saturday 08 March 2003 07:03 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: I left it for a couple of minutes, but with no reaction and those lights on keyboard lighting (which normally don't light) I figured it crashed. Anyway, if that mode is not supported by my video card, why does that setting work with 512MB but it freezes as long as it has 1024MB RAM?!? well now, with that info (that it works at 512 megs) _I_ would sure be guessing about what the problem could be. I don't even remember what video card you use, weither it was onboard and if the BIOS settings for the agp type, speed and opening are set correctly. I am sure the vga=768 is a setting for the video mode. (and I think it is a fairly low resolution) but if it is a setting in LILO that you are screwing with, then just forget about a vidoe mode durring bootup would be my suggestion. Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: et [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore On Saturday 08 March 2003 06:48 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: OK. I fiddled some more with it (a few hours). None of the parameters you gave me worked. Same problem. With the enterprise kernel there is a small difference which I noticed just now (or at least in the 12mdk enterprise kernel from cooker). It lights Scroll lock and Caps lock but doesn't blink. They just stay on. I tried booting failsafe and what do you know... It booted and reported my memory ok (1.032.900k). Then I tried adjusting the 12mdk parameters one by one to reflect the ones in failsafe and I isolated this one to be causing the kernel panic: vga=788 I switched again all the parameters to the original from the 12mdk enterprise kernel but left this vga=788 out and it booted with no problem. What the heck is/does vga=788 and why does it cause PCs to freeze when 1G memory installed?!? :/ Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Todd Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore that number is a video mode, were was it that you changed it (in lilo? compileing a kernel? how long did you let the lockup sit? you may have just been booting using a mode your video card could not do, so rather than do a display that would hurt the card, you got no display, and it may have come back had you let it sit 3 mins with a working X, or at leasta command prompt --- - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
On Saturday 08 March 2003 03:03 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: I left it for a couple of minutes, but with no reaction and those lights on keyboard lighting (which normally don't light) I figured it crashed. Anyway, if that mode is not supported by my video card, why does that setting work with 512MB but it freezes as long as it has 1024MB RAM?!? Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: et [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore On Saturday 08 March 2003 06:48 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: OK. I fiddled some more with it (a few hours). None of the parameters you gave me worked. Same problem. With the enterprise kernel there is a small difference which I noticed just now (or at least in the 12mdk enterprise kernel from cooker). It lights Scroll lock and Caps lock but doesn't blink. They just stay on. I tried booting failsafe and what do you know... It booted and reported my memory ok (1.032.900k). Then I tried adjusting the 12mdk parameters one by one to reflect the ones in failsafe and I isolated this one to be causing the kernel panic: vga=788 I switched again all the parameters to the original from the 12mdk enterprise kernel but left this vga=788 out and it booted with no problem. What the heck is/does vga=788 and why does it cause PCs to freeze when 1G memory installed?!? :/ Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Todd Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore that number is a video mode, were was it that you changed it (in lilo? compileing a kernel? how long did you let the lockup sit? you may have just been booting using a mode your video card could not do, so rather than do a display that would hurt the card, you got no display, and it may have come back had you let it sit 3 mins with a working X, or at leasta command prompt --- - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com That happens because your BIOS is mapping video framebuffer across your memory In other words the BIOS is misreporting the bridge mappings. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
Ummm... But then again. I can start X and run linux just fine after I boot without that parameter. Does that mean the mapping of the framebuffer is back to normal after boot?!? I would love to shove this motherboard up the manufacturers ... behind. :) But how come other OS (I hate to even pronounce M$ product names :) ) have no prob with it? Before I am going with my mobo back to the store where I bought it (though I have it since 4 months and doubt they would accept a refund just based on linux doesn't work with it with 1GB of ram...), I was wondering if there is anything else I could try to find out more about where it chokes so I can be 100% sure it is the mobo's fault and not the fault of linux? And BTW, I picked a random graphics mode at boot (vga=ask and selected 6 - 80x60) and it worked... Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore On Saturday 08 March 2003 03:03 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: I left it for a couple of minutes, but with no reaction and those lights on keyboard lighting (which normally don't light) I figured it crashed. Anyway, if that mode is not supported by my video card, why does that setting work with 512MB but it freezes as long as it has 1024MB RAM?!? Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: et [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore On Saturday 08 March 2003 06:48 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: OK. I fiddled some more with it (a few hours). None of the parameters you gave me worked. Same problem. With the enterprise kernel there is a small difference which I noticed just now (or at least in the 12mdk enterprise kernel from cooker). It lights Scroll lock and Caps lock but doesn't blink. They just stay on. I tried booting failsafe and what do you know... It booted and reported my memory ok (1.032.900k). Then I tried adjusting the 12mdk parameters one by one to reflect the ones in failsafe and I isolated this one to be causing the kernel panic: vga=788 I switched again all the parameters to the original from the 12mdk enterprise kernel but left this vga=788 out and it booted with no problem. What the heck is/does vga=788 and why does it cause PCs to freeze when 1G memory installed?!? :/ Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Todd Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore that number is a video mode, were was it that you changed it (in lilo? compileing a kernel? how long did you let the lockup sit? you may have just been booting using a mode your video card could not do, so rather than do a display that would hurt the card, you got no display, and it may have come back had you let it sit 3 mins with a working X, or at leasta command prompt -- - - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com That happens because your BIOS is mapping video framebuffer across your memory In other words the BIOS is misreporting the bridge mappings. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
On Saturday 08 March 2003 04:07 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: Ummm... But then again. I can start X and run linux just fine after I boot without that parameter. Does that mean the mapping of the framebuffer is back to normal after boot?!? I would love to shove this motherboard up the manufacturers ... behind. :) But how come other OS (I hate to even pronounce M$ product names :) ) have no prob with it? Before I am going with my mobo back to the store where I bought it (though I have it since 4 months and doubt they would accept a refund just based on linux doesn't work with it with 1GB of ram...), I was wondering if there is anything else I could try to find out more about where it chokes so I can be 100% sure it is the mobo's fault and not the fault of linux? And BTW, I picked a random graphics mode at boot (vga=ask and selected 6 - 80x60) and it worked... Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore On Saturday 08 March 2003 03:03 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: I left it for a couple of minutes, but with no reaction and those lights on keyboard lighting (which normally don't light) I figured it crashed. Anyway, if that mode is not supported by my video card, why does that setting work with 512MB but it freezes as long as it has 1024MB RAM?!? That happens because your BIOS is mapping video framebuffer across your memory In other words the BIOS is misreporting the bridge mappings. Civileme Well, try two 1024Mb memory sticks and I bet you will see more than just the framebuffer problem. Windows does not use all of memory right away while linux does (unused memory is wasted memory) so I would imagine that IF windows trusts the BIOS for memory and peripheral maps that you would encounter crashing when your memory use of memory is similar to that of linux. This behavior is almost identical to a performance encountered in 2001 with 8.0 (2.4 kernel) on a Dell notebook when mem was upgraded from 128M to 256M. As soon as mem was upgraded past 192M, a Bad Bridge Mapping was encountered, and using the enterprise kernel resulted in an ACPI error reported on top of that. Windoze was oblivious to the problem entirely (I don't think it used the BIOS report of mapping of PCI Bridge, but it may never have used enough memory). Kernel 2.2, which is not built to trust the BIOS, worked fine even at full 512M. remember, the video framebuffer is independent of the normal X driver (and I am somewhat curious about the video card), and is supposed to use some memory. I find it strange that the normal kernel which uses about 892 or 896M of memory ran at 800 but not at 900... If you have interest, it might be instructive to find where exactly one encounters the kernel panic in terms of memory usage. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
I am interested. Of course I am. I want to find out if it really is a kernel or mobo problem. Unless I can prove that my mobo is not working right I have no chance of giving it back. If you can help me trace the exact problem I would be gratefull. I would love to bring back the motherboard to the shop and buy one with no problem (probably a A7N8X), but unless I can prove it is not working I have no chance. Unfortunatelly I know no diagnostics program which could help me prove that. So please help me trace the problem to the origin. I am not that much of an expert, but would love to see my system work. I am a programmer myself, but not that much into hardware level programming and linux is my newfound love (been fiddling with it for about 2 years now), but never had to go this deep to trace a problem. So please help. Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore On Saturday 08 March 2003 04:07 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: Ummm... But then again. I can start X and run linux just fine after I boot without that parameter. Does that mean the mapping of the framebuffer is back to normal after boot?!? I would love to shove this motherboard up the manufacturers ... behind. :) But how come other OS (I hate to even pronounce M$ product names :) ) have no prob with it? Before I am going with my mobo back to the store where I bought it (though I have it since 4 months and doubt they would accept a refund just based on linux doesn't work with it with 1GB of ram...), I was wondering if there is anything else I could try to find out more about where it chokes so I can be 100% sure it is the mobo's fault and not the fault of linux? And BTW, I picked a random graphics mode at boot (vga=ask and selected 6 - 80x60) and it worked... Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore On Saturday 08 March 2003 03:03 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: I left it for a couple of minutes, but with no reaction and those lights on keyboard lighting (which normally don't light) I figured it crashed. Anyway, if that mode is not supported by my video card, why does that setting work with 512MB but it freezes as long as it has 1024MB RAM?!? That happens because your BIOS is mapping video framebuffer across your memory In other words the BIOS is misreporting the bridge mappings. Civileme Well, try two 1024Mb memory sticks and I bet you will see more than just the framebuffer problem. Windows does not use all of memory right away while linux does (unused memory is wasted memory) so I would imagine that IF windows trusts the BIOS for memory and peripheral maps that you would encounter crashing when your memory use of memory is similar to that of linux. This behavior is almost identical to a performance encountered in 2001 with 8.0 (2.4 kernel) on a Dell notebook when mem was upgraded from 128M to 256M. As soon as mem was upgraded past 192M, a Bad Bridge Mapping was encountered, and using the enterprise kernel resulted in an ACPI error reported on top of that. Windoze was oblivious to the problem entirely (I don't think it used the BIOS report of mapping of PCI Bridge, but it may never have used enough memory). Kernel 2.2, which is not built to trust the BIOS, worked fine even at full 512M. remember, the video framebuffer is independent of the normal X driver (and I am somewhat curious about the video card), and is supposed to use some memory. I find it strange that the normal kernel which uses about 892 or 896M of memory ran at 800 but not at 900... If you have interest, it might be instructive to find where exactly one encounters the kernel panic in terms of memory usage. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
I am interested. Of course I am. I want to find out if it really is a kernel or mobo problem. Unless I can prove that my mobo is not working right I have Well - suggestions: join the kernel hackers mailing list, or just read the archives. Try the instructions in the bug tracking documents under /usr/src/linux in the kernel source code. You mentioned ksymopps and saving the results of a kernel oops. I don't know if the people on the expert list can figure out what is wrong - kernel hacking is beyond my abilities ;(. If the problem is clearly documented and repeatable, and not a hardware issue, the kernel hackers might be able to figure it out. You also may want to try different kernels other than the stock Mandrake standard or enterprise kernels - in other words are the Mandrake kernels problematic or is it a problem with other kernels as well? But realistically the kernel mailing list is a better repository for those attachments than the expert list. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
:/ I just bought another 512MB DDR PC333 module for my PC and now my linux won't boot anymore. I tried an update from CD, installer doesn't work either. Memory just went through a 3 hours memtest86 and no error found. Windows handles it OK (I have a dual boot with Win2k pro). It just loads lilo, but when selecting linux it goes into a black screen and doesn't react to any commands. The Scroll lock and Caps lock leds are blinking continuously. :( At first I thought my installation is broken and tried to start the linux install from CD again and do an upgrade so it would reinstall the kernel. When starting the installer same problem. It loads the first screen OK, but whatever option for the installer I select it still freezes with those leds blinking. :( I even tried passing mem=1024M as parameter just to make sure, but still no go. :( I thought the current releases of the kernel handled OK up to 1Gig of ram. As far as I remember you needed compiled support in it only for 1G ram. Also as far as I remember having more memory than linux kernel can handle produced no freeze. It just showed and used less than you have. :( Please help. :( Best regards, Adrian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
Forgot to mention. Starting the rescue I can go to console and do whatever the rescue stuff allows you to do. :) But since it freezes so early I also cannot find anything in the logs related to it and dunno what could I change (if anything) so I would make the system boot. Funny stuff is also that the installer also freezes my PC the second I start it. :/ Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Adrian Golumbovici [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore :/ I just bought another 512MB DDR PC333 module for my PC and now my linux won't boot anymore. I tried an update from CD, installer doesn't work either. Memory just went through a 3 hours memtest86 and no error found. Windows handles it OK (I have a dual boot with Win2k pro). It just loads lilo, but when selecting linux it goes into a black screen and doesn't react to any commands. The Scroll lock and Caps lock leds are blinking continuously. :( At first I thought my installation is broken and tried to start the linux install from CD again and do an upgrade so it would reinstall the kernel. When starting the installer same problem. It loads the first screen OK, but whatever option for the installer I select it still freezes with those leds blinking. :( I even tried passing mem=1024M as parameter just to make sure, but still no go. :( I thought the current releases of the kernel handled OK up to 1Gig of ram. As far as I remember you needed compiled support in it only for 1G ram. Also as far as I remember having more memory than linux kernel can handle produced no freeze. It just showed and used less than you have. :( Please help. :( Best regards, Adrian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
On Friday 07 March 2003 05:30 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: :/ I just bought another 512MB DDR PC333 module for my PC and now my linux won't boot anymore. I tried an update from CD, installer doesn't work either. Memory just went through a 3 hours memtest86 and no error found. Windows handles it OK (I have a dual boot with Win2k pro). It just loads lilo, but when selecting linux it goes into a black screen and doesn't react to any commands. The Scroll lock and Caps lock leds are blinking continuously. :( At first I thought my installation is broken and tried to start the linux install from CD again and do an upgrade so it would reinstall the kernel. When starting the installer same problem. It loads the first screen OK, but whatever option for the installer I select it still freezes with those leds blinking. :( I even tried passing mem=1024M as parameter just to make sure, but still no go. :( I thought the current releases of the kernel handled OK up to 1Gig of ram. As far as I remember you needed compiled support in it only for 1G ram. Also as far as I remember having more memory than linux kernel can handle produced no freeze. It just showed and used less than you have. :( Please help. :( Best regards, Adrian I think you need the enterprise kernel with that much memory -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
Another. So you have 1G or more? I know the stock kernel won't handle mem above 1G. Does the rescue CD get you into linux? The enterprise kernel is what you want for large mem (for mdk provided kernels) Brian D. Klar - CVE Multimax Network Engineer WPAFB -Original Message- From: Greg Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 8:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore On Friday 07 March 2003 05:30 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: :/ I just bought another 512MB DDR PC333 module for my PC and now my linux won't boot anymore. I tried an update from CD, installer doesn't work either. Memory just went through a 3 hours memtest86 and no error found. Windows handles it OK (I have a dual boot with Win2k pro). It just loads lilo, but when selecting linux it goes into a black screen and doesn't react to any commands. The Scroll lock and Caps lock leds are blinking continuously. :( At first I thought my installation is broken and tried to start the linux install from CD again and do an upgrade so it would reinstall the kernel. When starting the installer same problem. It loads the first screen OK, but whatever option for the installer I select it still freezes with those leds blinking. :( I even tried passing mem=1024M as parameter just to make sure, but still no go. :( I thought the current releases of the kernel handled OK up to 1Gig of ram. As far as I remember you needed compiled support in it only for 1G ram. Also as far as I remember having more memory than linux kernel can handle produced no freeze. It just showed and used less than you have. :( Please help. :( Best regards, Adrian I think you need the enterprise kernel with that much memory -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Adrian, Try this, take out your new memory, go to Linux, install entreprise kernel (it supports large memory) from MDK cds, then check lilo if new kernel is their, reboot your system, check if can loggin the new kernel, then halt your system, put back your new memory then power on and see if the new kernel will work well. You can run a gig of ram on the nomal mdk kernels just fine - linux just doesnt 'see' that much ram untill you compile in high memory support. (which is what the enterprise kernel has. Mark. - -- Mark Watts Systems Engineer QinetiQ TIM St Andrews Road, Malvern GPG Public Key available on request. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+aJovBn4EFUVUIO0RAv87AJ92enJ8vmS8NGeK8PsAguc1oKDeVwCeP80+ xgnnOFxkkp9CI3UgnIbXKYs= =iBlF -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote .. Hi Adrian, Try this, take out your new memory, go to Linux, install entreprise kernel (it supports large memory) from MDK cds, then check lilo if new kernel is their, reboot your system, check if can loggin the new kernel, then halt your system, put back your new memory then power on and see if the new kernel will work well. Cheers, I'm assuming that the Enterprise kernel comes with the standard distro? (I'm not at home to check right now). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
I know, that is why I am wondering why it freezes including the install CD. Even if I would have to have a enterprise kernel (as I read in some other answers), the installer should provide at least an alternative kernel for such situations. It reminds me of the 3G problem on Windows NT and I hate M$ products. :) Only in NT if you had more than 3GB you had to pull a module out, install and then put it back in. I even tried starting alt1 from the install CD and still the same freeze. :/ I will try now to boot the existing system by pulling one module out, rpm the enterprise kernel and then put it back in and see if it boots. but even if this is the solution it still doesn't seem right. :/ Anyway, just for info. I booted also just with the new module and boots ok. Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Mark Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Adrian, Try this, take out your new memory, go to Linux, install entreprise kernel (it supports large memory) from MDK cds, then check lilo if new kernel is their, reboot your system, check if can loggin the new kernel, then halt your system, put back your new memory then power on and see if the new kernel will work well. You can run a gig of ram on the nomal mdk kernels just fine - linux just doesnt 'see' that much ram untill you compile in high memory support. (which is what the enterprise kernel has. Mark. - -- Mark Watts Systems Engineer QinetiQ TIM St Andrews Road, Malvern GPG Public Key available on request. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+aJovBn4EFUVUIO0RAv87AJ92enJ8vmS8NGeK8PsAguc1oKDeVwCeP80+ xgnnOFxkkp9CI3UgnIbXKYs= =iBlF -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
This is getting weird. With selfcompiled kernel and high memory support still same freeze. With enterprise kernel still freezes. With mem=960M as parameter still freezes. :/ What the heck?!? Huh?!? I am running out of clues here... Anyone faced same problem at any point? Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Mark Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Adrian, Try this, take out your new memory, go to Linux, install entreprise kernel (it supports large memory) from MDK cds, then check lilo if new kernel is their, reboot your system, check if can loggin the new kernel, then halt your system, put back your new memory then power on and see if the new kernel will work well. You can run a gig of ram on the nomal mdk kernels just fine - linux just doesnt 'see' that much ram untill you compile in high memory support. (which is what the enterprise kernel has. Mark. - -- Mark Watts Systems Engineer QinetiQ TIM St Andrews Road, Malvern GPG Public Key available on request. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+aJovBn4EFUVUIO0RAv87AJ92enJ8vmS8NGeK8PsAguc1oKDeVwCeP80+ xgnnOFxkkp9CI3UgnIbXKYs= =iBlF -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
On Friday 07 March 2003 08:30 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: I know, that is why I am wondering why it freezes including the install CD. Even if I would have to have a enterprise kernel (as I read in some other answers), the installer should provide at least an alternative kernel for such situations. It reminds me of the 3G problem on Windows NT and I hate M$ products. :) Only in NT if you had more than 3GB you had to pull a module out, install and then put it back in. I even tried starting alt1 from the install CD and still the same freeze. :/ just tell the install kernel you only have 256 with the f1 instead of enter to install or upgrade and type (without the quotes) linux mem=256M and then hit enter to install. maybe the freeze ain't even a freeze, just a longer pause for processing than you were used to, and is due to all that mem. I will try now to boot the existing system by pulling one module out, rpm the enterprise kernel and then put it back in and see if it boots. but even if this is the solution it still doesn't seem right. :/ Anyway, just for info. I booted also just with the new module and boots ok. Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Mark Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Adrian, Try this, take out your new memory, go to Linux, install entreprise kernel (it supports large memory) from MDK cds, then check lilo if new kernel is their, reboot your system, check if can loggin the new kernel, then halt your system, put back your new memory then power on and see if the new kernel will work well. You can run a gig of ram on the nomal mdk kernels just fine - linux just doesnt 'see' that much ram untill you compile in high memory support. (which is what the enterprise kernel has. Mark. - -- Mark Watts Systems Engineer QinetiQ TIM St Andrews Road, Malvern GPG Public Key available on request. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+aJovBn4EFUVUIO0RAv87AJ92enJ8vmS8NGeK8PsAguc1oKDeVwCeP80+ xgnnOFxkkp9CI3UgnIbXKYs= =iBlF -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote .. Hi Adrian, Try this, take out your new memory, go to Linux, install entreprise kernel (it supports large memory) from MDK cds, then check lilo if new kernel is their, reboot your system, check if can loggin the new kernel, then halt your system, put back your new memory then power on and see if the new kernel will work well. Cheers, I'm assuming that the Enterprise kernel comes with the standard distro? (I'm not at home to check right now). Yes - at install if the installer detects more than ~900 MB, it will install the enterprise kernel, which supports upto 4GB ram. - -- Mark Watts Systems Engineer QinetiQ TIM St Andrews Road, Malvern GPG Public Key available on request. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+aL8vBn4EFUVUIO0RAu9qAKD4koH0S1MM7CbXL3YTboLjwgd3NQCdFhJc QglBT1N6zYj4hPizyc9KhSQ= =+STt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
and that if the installer doesn't freeze in the meantime like it is my case. :) Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Mark Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote .. Hi Adrian, Try this, take out your new memory, go to Linux, install entreprise kernel (it supports large memory) from MDK cds, then check lilo if new kernel is their, reboot your system, check if can loggin the new kernel, then halt your system, put back your new memory then power on and see if the new kernel will work well. Cheers, I'm assuming that the Enterprise kernel comes with the standard distro? (I'm not at home to check right now). Yes - at install if the installer detects more than ~900 MB, it will install the enterprise kernel, which supports upto 4GB ram. - -- Mark Watts Systems Engineer QinetiQ TIM St Andrews Road, Malvern GPG Public Key available on request. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+aL8vBn4EFUVUIO0RAu9qAKD4koH0S1MM7CbXL3YTboLjwgd3NQCdFhJc QglBT1N6zYj4hPizyc9KhSQ= =+STt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
ASUS A7V8X motherboard. I didn't change anything in config between the installation of new module and linux not functioning anymore. I do run winblows 2000 professional (dual boot) as it is the only way to play some games for now. I am still fiddling with wine and winex so I can throw windoze away, but untill my radeon 9700 pro and my mobo will have appropriate drivers which would allow me to rund opengl and dri games I have to stick with the M$ fscked OS. :( The modules of memory are both 512MB PC333 DDR at CL 2.5 The only difference is that one is noname and one is Samsung. They are in theory compatible (same speed, both have EEPROM with the module related info and both CL2.5). That meaning I can run anything I want in winbloze without no crash (also if I start all the applications I can think of just to make the memory fill) and running memtest86 installed on a floppy for 3.5 hours (3 complete test cycles) didn't show any errors and no crash or freeze. I also swapped the modules in the slots untill I ran out of combinations and still no crash in windows or error in tests, but still no go with linux (including installer). :( Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore Yes, I agree it doesn't seem right. So, what's your mobo? Did you check any unusual parameter in bios (e.g. for 0S/2 memory?). Do you run winblows too? Other possibility is a possible incompatibility between your memories, I suppose. Are they equal models? On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: I will try now to boot the existing system by pulling one module out, rpm the enterprise kernel and then put it back in and see if it boots. but even if this is the solution it still doesn't seem right. :/ --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Fw: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
Here is an answer I got from someone trying to help. If there is a fault in high-mem maybe someone could fix this before the release? On the other hand, Joerg since you seem to know more about this problem, could you post it as a bug in the mandrake bugzilla? I would really like to see this thing fixed before the release or this release will be useless to me. :( Thanx Joerg for the info. Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Joerg Mertin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adrian Golumbovici [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore Hi Mate, the problem is known (Well, to me at least). Give at the command line mem=960M and the problem should go away. It's the High-mem stuff that is faulty. I did circumvent that problem in the past this way. I had recompiled my own kernel, but don't know what patch I added by that time to fix it (Having a Netserver LH4 with 2 GByte of Ram and Raid5). Maybe you can post this to the list - my E-Mail address is somehow blacklisted at the moment. Cheers Joerg On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: :/ I just bought another 512MB DDR PC333 module for my PC and now my linux won't boot anymore. I tried an update from CD, installer doesn't work either. Memory just went through a 3 hours memtest86 and no error found. Windows handles it OK (I have a dual boot with Win2k pro). It just loads lilo, but when selecting linux it goes into a black screen and doesn't react to any commands. The Scroll lock and Caps lock leds are blinking continuously. :( At first I thought my installation is broken and tried to start the linux install from CD again and do an upgrade so it would reinstall the kernel. When starting the installer same problem. It loads the first screen OK, but whatever option for the installer I select it still freezes with those leds blinking. :( I even tried passing mem=1024M as parameter just to make sure, but still no go. :( I thought the current releases of the kernel handled OK up to 1Gig of ram. As far as I remember you needed compiled support in it only for 1G ram. Also as far as I remember having more memory than linux kernel can handle produced no freeze. It just showed and used less than you have. :( Please help. :( Best regards, Adrian -- | Joerg Mertin : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Home)| | in Neuchâtel/Schweiz : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Work)| | Stardust's LiNUX System : | | PGP 2.6.3in Key on Demand : Voice Fax: +41(0)32 / 725 52 54 | Home-Page: http://www.solsys.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
On Friday 07 March 2003 01:30 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: :/ I just bought another 512MB DDR PC333 module for my PC and now my linux won't boot anymore. I tried an update from CD, installer doesn't work either. Memory just went through a 3 hours memtest86 and no error found. Windows handles it OK (I have a dual boot with Win2k pro). It just loads lilo, but when selecting linux it goes into a black screen and doesn't react to any commands. The Scroll lock and Caps lock leds are blinking continuously. :( At first I thought my installation is broken and tried to start the linux install from CD again and do an upgrade so it would reinstall the kernel. When starting the installer same problem. It loads the first screen OK, but whatever option for the installer I select it still freezes with those leds blinking. :( I even tried passing mem=1024M as parameter just to make sure, but still no go. :( I thought the current releases of the kernel handled OK up to 1Gig of ram. As far as I remember you needed compiled support in it only for 1G ram. Also as far as I remember having more memory than linux kernel can handle produced no freeze. It just showed and used less than you have. :( Please help. :( Best regards, Adrian IF someone hasn't already pointed it out, the kernel takes the memory and bridge map from the BIOS unles you override it. Dell was infamous for bad bridge mapping on the BIOS for at least a couple of their inspiron notebooks (try to take an i4000 over 256M and see), but it may not be the only culprit on the block. Kernel 2.2 actually worked on the i4000 up to 512M but then 2.2 did not trust the BIOS, ever. try escape on LILO and linux mem=zyzM where xyz is somewhat less than the total mem (allowing for shared video etc), and of course somewhat less than 900M if you are hoping to install or use the standard kernel (use the enterprise kernel for more than 1G). You might also try booting with one of the alt install kernels (Some of them are 2.2 based) and running an update, selecting kernel-enterprise as a new package to install. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
Also I checked and mem=960M doesn't help and the enterprise kernel has same problem. I tried lowering the mem value even further and with 900 didn't work. With 800 it worked (both distro kernel and enterprise). :/ Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Adrian Golumbovici [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: Fw: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore Here is an answer I got from someone trying to help. If there is a fault in high-mem maybe someone could fix this before the release? On the other hand, Joerg since you seem to know more about this problem, could you post it as a bug in the mandrake bugzilla? I would really like to see this thing fixed before the release or this release will be useless to me. :( Thanx Joerg for the info. Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Joerg Mertin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adrian Golumbovici [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore Hi Mate, the problem is known (Well, to me at least). Give at the command line mem=960M and the problem should go away. It's the High-mem stuff that is faulty. I did circumvent that problem in the past this way. I had recompiled my own kernel, but don't know what patch I added by that time to fix it (Having a Netserver LH4 with 2 GByte of Ram and Raid5). Maybe you can post this to the list - my E-Mail address is somehow blacklisted at the moment. Cheers Joerg On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: :/ I just bought another 512MB DDR PC333 module for my PC and now my linux won't boot anymore. I tried an update from CD, installer doesn't work either. Memory just went through a 3 hours memtest86 and no error found. Windows handles it OK (I have a dual boot with Win2k pro). It just loads lilo, but when selecting linux it goes into a black screen and doesn't react to any commands. The Scroll lock and Caps lock leds are blinking continuously. :( At first I thought my installation is broken and tried to start the linux install from CD again and do an upgrade so it would reinstall the kernel. When starting the installer same problem. It loads the first screen OK, but whatever option for the installer I select it still freezes with those leds blinking. :( I even tried passing mem=1024M as parameter just to make sure, but still no go. :( I thought the current releases of the kernel handled OK up to 1Gig of ram. As far as I remember you needed compiled support in it only for 1G ram. Also as far as I remember having more memory than linux kernel can handle produced no freeze. It just showed and used less than you have. :( Please help. :( Best regards, Adrian -- | Joerg Mertin : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Home)| | in Neuchâtel/Schweiz : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Work)| | Stardust's LiNUX System : | | PGP 2.6.3in Key on Demand : Voice Fax: +41(0)32 / 725 52 54 | Home-Page: http://www.solsys.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
Well, I had similarities once regarding this - but it was due to the PCI-Bus. Try going into the CMOs Setup, and put in Failsafe settings. Make it slow as possible - eventually also turn down the CPU-Speed, and then try the install again. It might give you something ... Another thing to try is making sure the harddisks/CDRom/DVDRom don't run in DMA mode while installing. PS: You should have taken the A7N8X Board... Never had such a Solid beast - Smooth install :) Cheers Joerg Adrian Golumbovici wrote: This is getting weird. With selfcompiled kernel and high memory support still same freeze. With enterprise kernel still freezes. With mem=960M as parameter still freezes. :/ What the heck?!? Huh?!? I am running out of clues here... Anyone faced same problem at any point? -- | Joerg Mertin : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Home)| | in Neuchâtel/Schweiz : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Work)| | Stardust's LiNUX System : | | PGP 2.6.3in Key on Demand : Voice Fax: +41(0)32 / 725 52 54 | Home-Page: http://www.solsys.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
It works with mem=800M (tried various but not all). But I wanted to warn you guys that the enterprise kernel has same problem! Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore On Friday 07 March 2003 01:30 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: :/ I just bought another 512MB DDR PC333 module for my PC and now my linux won't boot anymore. I tried an update from CD, installer doesn't work either. Memory just went through a 3 hours memtest86 and no error found. Windows handles it OK (I have a dual boot with Win2k pro). It just loads lilo, but when selecting linux it goes into a black screen and doesn't react to any commands. The Scroll lock and Caps lock leds are blinking continuously. :( At first I thought my installation is broken and tried to start the linux install from CD again and do an upgrade so it would reinstall the kernel. When starting the installer same problem. It loads the first screen OK, but whatever option for the installer I select it still freezes with those leds blinking. :( I even tried passing mem=1024M as parameter just to make sure, but still no go. :( I thought the current releases of the kernel handled OK up to 1Gig of ram. As far as I remember you needed compiled support in it only for 1G ram. Also as far as I remember having more memory than linux kernel can handle produced no freeze. It just showed and used less than you have. :( Please help. :( Best regards, Adrian IF someone hasn't already pointed it out, the kernel takes the memory and bridge map from the BIOS unles you override it. Dell was infamous for bad bridge mapping on the BIOS for at least a couple of their inspiron notebooks (try to take an i4000 over 256M and see), but it may not be the only culprit on the block. Kernel 2.2 actually worked on the i4000 up to 512M but then 2.2 did not trust the BIOS, ever. try escape on LILO and linux mem=zyzM where xyz is somewhat less than the total mem (allowing for shared video etc), and of course somewhat less than 900M if you are hoping to install or use the standard kernel (use the enterprise kernel for more than 1G). You might also try booting with one of the alt install kernels (Some of them are 2.2 based) and running an update, selecting kernel-enterprise as a new package to install. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
Actually I wanted the A7N8X too, but they didn't have it when I had money to burn. :) I am going to give the mdk12 enterprise from the cooker a go and let ya know if at least that one works. Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Joerg Mertin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore Well, I had similarities once regarding this - but it was due to the PCI-Bus. Try going into the CMOs Setup, and put in Failsafe settings. Make it slow as possible - eventually also turn down the CPU-Speed, and then try the install again. It might give you something ... Another thing to try is making sure the harddisks/CDRom/DVDRom don't run in DMA mode while installing. PS: You should have taken the A7N8X Board... Never had such a Solid beast - Smooth install :) Cheers Joerg Adrian Golumbovici wrote: This is getting weird. With selfcompiled kernel and high memory support still same freeze. With enterprise kernel still freezes. With mem=960M as parameter still freezes. :/ What the heck?!? Huh?!? I am running out of clues here... Anyone faced same problem at any point? -- | Joerg Mertin : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Home)| | in Neuchâtel/Schweiz : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Work)| | Stardust's LiNUX System : | | PGP 2.6.3in Key on Demand : Voice Fax: +41(0)32 / 725 52 54 | Home-Page: http://www.solsys.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
Please do test it if you can borrow a 512MB module. If it really is a bug it should be fixed before release. I would be happy if anyone can help confirm the bug. For me I need to pass mem=800M also for enterprise kernel and still cannot install/upgrade anything because of it. :( Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore Hi Adrian, man you got me, I have clue no longer but testing another memory module taken borrowed from a friend or somenthing. I hope you can solve your problem. Good luck. Cheers, On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: ASUS A7V8X motherboard. I didn't change anything in config between the installation of new module and linux not functioning anymore. I do run winblows 2000 professional (dual boot) as it is the only way to play some games for now. I am still fiddling with wine and winex so I can throw windoze away, but untill my radeon 9700 pro and my mobo will have appropriate drivers which would allow me to rund opengl and dri games I have to stick with the M$ fscked OS. :( The modules of memory are both 512MB PC333 DDR at CL 2.5 The only difference is that one is noname and one is Samsung. They are in theory compatible (same speed, both have EEPROM with the module related info and both CL2.5). That meaning I can run anything I want in winbloze without no crash (also if I start all the applications I can think of just to make the memory fill) and running memtest86 installed on a floppy for 3.5 hours (3 complete test cycles) didn't show any errors and no crash or freeze. I also swapped the modules in the slots untill I ran out of combinations and still no crash in windows or error in tests, but still no go with linux (including installer). :( Best regards, Adrian --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
On Friday 07 March 2003 08:23 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: Also I checked and mem=960M doesn't help and the enterprise kernel has same problem. I tried lowering the mem value even further and with 900 didn't work. With 800 it worked (both distro kernel and enterprise). :/ Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Adrian Golumbovici [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: Fw: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore Here is an answer I got from someone trying to help. If there is a fault in high-mem maybe someone could fix this before the release? On the other hand, Joerg since you seem to know more about this problem, could you post it as a bug in the mandrake bugzilla? I would really like to see this thing fixed before the release or this release will be useless to me. :( Thanx Joerg for the info. Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Joerg Mertin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adrian Golumbovici [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore Hi Mate, the problem is known (Well, to me at least). Give at the command line mem=960M and the problem should go away. It's the High-mem stuff that is faulty. I did circumvent that problem in the past this way. I had recompiled my own kernel, but don't know what patch I added by that time to fix it (Having a Netserver LH4 with 2 GByte of Ram and Raid5). Maybe you can post this to the list - my E-Mail address is somehow blacklisted at the moment. Cheers Joerg On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: :/ I just bought another 512MB DDR PC333 module for my PC and now my linux won't boot anymore. I tried an update from CD, installer doesn't work either. Memory just went through a 3 hours memtest86 and no error found. Windows handles it OK (I have a dual boot with Win2k pro). It just loads lilo, but when selecting linux it goes into a black screen and doesn't react to any commands. The Scroll lock and Caps lock leds are blinking continuously. :( At first I thought my installation is broken and tried to start the linux install from CD again and do an upgrade so it would reinstall the kernel. When starting the installer same problem. It loads the first screen OK, but whatever option for the installer I select it still freezes with those leds blinking. :( I even tried passing mem=1024M as parameter just to make sure, but still no go. :( I thought the current releases of the kernel handled OK up to 1Gig of ram. As far as I remember you needed compiled support in it only for 1G ram. Also as far as I remember having more memory than linux kernel can handle produced no freeze. It just showed and used less than you have. :( Please help. :( Best regards, Adrian -- --- - | Joerg Mertin : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (Home)| in Neuchâtel/Schweiz : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (Work)| Stardust's LiNUX System : | | PGP 2.6.3in Key on Demand : Voice Fax: +41(0)32 / 725 52 | 54 | --- - Home-Page: http://www.solsys.org --- - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com If it worked with 800 it IS a damnable broken BIOS. My guess is that Win2K will fail when it tries to use all of memory as well because it also believes the BIOS about bridge mappings, but of course that won't happen until windows has to use more than 800M. Civileme Try upgrading the BIOS if one is offered. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adrian Golumbovici wrote on Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 11:30:00AM +0100 : I just bought another 512MB DDR PC333 module for my PC and now my linux won't boot anymore. I tried an update from CD, installer doesn't work either. Memory just went through a 3 hours memtest86 and no error found. Windows handles it OK (I have a dual boot with Win2k pro). It just loads lilo, but when selecting linux it goes into a black screen and doesn't react to any commands. The Scroll lock and Caps lock leds are blinking continuously. :( Probably not a useful question, but is it at the rate of 1/2 second per blink? If you look at the /usr/src/linux/kernel/panic.c file, you'll see that something failed and called the panic_blink() function. It's a function that never stops. The panic_blink() function is actually defined in /usr/src/linux/drivers/char/pc_keyb.c and it just alternates the mode of the 0x01 and 0x04 bits, which are Scroll Lock and Caps Lock respectively. Now what called that is quite possibly something that is going to be a lot more difficult to find out. Try passing 'noapic noacpi nodma ide0=nodma nomce acpi=off pci=biosirq' and see if _something_ happens. Basically the linux kernel has a VERY big problem with your motherboard. Blue skies... Todd - -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21-0.12mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+aUE/lp7v05cW2woRAmrFAJ9rZAwO485Q8Oq1Urt591PsRwpWDwCgxgzG ih7LRyXknMzxqO0ztJfHdSw= =N6KH -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adrian Golumbovici wrote on Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 06:23:13PM +0100 : Also I checked and mem=960M doesn't help and the enterprise kernel has same problem. I tried lowering the mem value even further and with 900 didn't work. With 800 it worked (both distro kernel and enterprise). :/ The actual crossover point is 896 Megs (or 892, I can never remember). Blue skies... Todd - -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com Easy things should be easy, and hard things should be possible. --Larry Wall Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21-0.12mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+aULRlp7v05cW2woRArQYAKCXzqS/X38LY5Ny7smU8ayJIB/B+QCgzhLk u9wmIyLmNL4gKYmSRU1Y3rI= =ftnI -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
