Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD

2003-10-26 Thread Charlie M.
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October 18, 2003 02:07 pm, Charlie M. wrote:
whack
 The only ISOs I've generated are from my local cooker mirror and are
 called Cooker Download after generation, but after install the boot
 splash identifies it as 9.2 Download edition. If you're impatient for the
 release you could try that, I don't know if it will work still since I did
 this before rsync started actually pulling new packages. In other words
 when cooker was still frozen.

OK; I've generated a new set of ISOs from my local cooker tree yesterday and 
upgraded from them. Everything was generally all right with a couple of 
minor exceptions. 
xchat wouldn't install, error opening package messages at the console when the 
graphic progress bar seemed to be hanging, and 
KDE doesn't load a desktop at all. Blue screen, not desktop or icons or 
taskbar, but the KDE is starting sound plays.

 That IIRC is apparently because the KDE maintainer built the .80 version with 
the wrong compiler or some such. So for now, until I have a chance to do a 
bit of fixing and patching, I'm stuck with Ice-worm or GNOME or other. I 
can't install cooker for anyone that uses a KDE desktop from these disks.

I'll take a swing at remastering the ISOs from my local 9.2 tree later today, 
adding the updates, and see if I get an installable set of disks, then report 
the results here.

Thank [Deity] for CD-RWs. This could get expensive if I was forced to use CD-R 
disks. g

Charlie
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Knock, knock!
Who's there?
Sam and Janet.
Sam and Janet who?
Sam and Janet Evening...
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Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD

2003-10-26 Thread Charlie M.
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October 26, 2003 11:43 am, Greg Meyer wrote:
[..]
  I'll take a swing at remastering the ISOs from my local 9.2 tree later
  today, adding the updates, and see if I get an installable set of disks,
  then report the results here.
 
  Thank [Deity] for CD-RWs. This could get expensive if I was forced to use
  CD-R disks. g

 Could you either report back here or e-mail me with the details of what you
 are doing.  I am trying to build a page on the cooker twiki that describes
 how to make a new set of install disks with the updates slipstreamed.

Sure, as soon as I finish editing the relevant files and am able to generate a 
set of ISOs I'll burn and test.

I document _everything_ I do Greg. My short term memory sucks, so I'm one of 
those people that carries a notebook everwhere and is always jotting notes to 
myself. So as soon as I make some progress, and have readable notes, I'll 
send a copy direct to you, OK?

BTW the cooker ISOs I generated and tested for installation yesterday worked 
fine other than the xchat glitch, the KDE .80 packages built with the 
incorrect qt version, and the fact that the cooker tree hasn't really updated 
since Thursday. 

Regards;
Charlie
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Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD

2003-10-26 Thread Greg Meyer
On Sunday 26 October 2003 12:46 pm, Charlie M. wrote:
 October 18, 2003 02:07 pm, Charlie M. wrote:
 whack

  The only ISOs I've generated are from my local cooker mirror and are
  called Cooker Download after generation, but after install the boot
  splash identifies it as 9.2 Download edition. If you're impatient for
  the release you could try that, I don't know if it will work still since
  I did this before rsync started actually pulling new packages. In other
  words when cooker was still frozen.

 OK; I've generated a new set of ISOs from my local cooker tree yesterday
 and upgraded from them. Everything was generally all right with a couple
 of minor exceptions.
 xchat wouldn't install, error opening package messages at the console when
 the graphic progress bar seemed to be hanging, and
 KDE doesn't load a desktop at all. Blue screen, not desktop or icons or
 taskbar, but the KDE is starting sound plays.

  That IIRC is apparently because the KDE maintainer built the .80 version
 with the wrong compiler or some such. So for now, until I have a chance to
 do a bit of fixing and patching, I'm stuck with Ice-worm or GNOME or other.
 I can't install cooker for anyone that uses a KDE desktop from these disks.

 I'll take a swing at remastering the ISOs from my local 9.2 tree later
 today, adding the updates, and see if I get an installable set of disks,
 then report the results here.

 Thank [Deity] for CD-RWs. This could get expensive if I was forced to use
 CD-R disks. g

Could you either report back here or e-mail me with the details of what you 
are doing.  I am trying to build a page on the cooker twiki that describes 
how to make a new set of install disks with the updates slipstreamed.
-- 
/g

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a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx

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Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD

2003-10-24 Thread Olaf Marzocchi

The dependency problems is only makecd's way to inform you
that those packages won't be on the cd's as you cant install them
anyway...
Could you explain it better? Why shouldn't he be able to install them anyway?

Thanks
Olaf  


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Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD

2003-10-24 Thread Charlie M.
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October 18, 2003 06:08 pm, Joeb wrote:
[..]
Hi Joe;
 
 In this part of the development cycle cooker as frozen for release is 9.2,
  9.2 is cooker to all intents and purposes. The script used to generate
  the ISOs is slightly different but the packages are basically the same.

 The only ISOs I've generated are from my local cooker mirror and are
  called Cooker Download after generation, but after install the boot
  splash identifies it as 9.2 Download edition. If you're impatient for
  the release you could try that, I don't know if it will work still since
  I did this before rsync started actually pulling new packages. In other
  words when cooker was still frozen.

I still have those ISOs and a set of CD-RW disks I burned from them. I also 
have a set I made yesterday with all of the updates, and the set I made from 
the 9.2 tree. Neither of the latter two will install the distribution here, 
they both hang at second stage install stage. The ISOs I used to update my 
son's machine to 9.2 (made from a torrent download through his Club account) 
worked fine. So did the original cooker set made on 24 September 2003.

 Personally I think I'll wait for the 7 disk Power Pack from the Mandrake
 Store. Disks only, no support, no manuals etc.
 
 But not for this box. It stays cooked.

This still applies. I won't be trying to make any more ISOs until cooker is no 
longer frozen. I will try an install just far enough to be certain everything 
works but since I'm already running it for all intents and purposes I won't 
be too concerned about a fresh install or upgrade.

 I'll probably wait for the power pack, too.  I was just curious as to
 how to do it.  The CDs I made, did boot, but I didn't try installing
 because of all of the dependency errors (most of them in apach2, but
 there were others, too, like gdm).  My real reason to try was that I
 have a high speed connection from work, but not home.  But the work
 connection does work with BitTorrent.  So, I could ftp the 9.2 tree down
 and I thought I would build my own ISOs.  Like I said, the process was
 pretty smooth (although lengthy) and I ended up with 8 CDs (I included
 contrib, too).  But, with all of those dependency errors, I didn't want
 to risk screwing something up (my test linux box is temporarily in
 production).

As stated above, I did try to install with the disks I made just to check, and 
they hang at stage two.

 In reality, downloading the tree and running MakeCD was not
 significantly more work that ftp'ing ISOs.  Oh well, the powerpack
 should be shipping in the next two weeks!

 Joeb

Installing from a boot disk made from hdimg.cz in the 9.2 tree and the cooker 
tree both work. But the disks I made don't. Go figure.

Regards;
Charlie
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The best security update for Windows that I've found is the installer for 
Mandrake Linux. Especially the Use Entire Disk option. (-;
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Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD

2003-10-19 Thread Thomas Backlund
From: Joeb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Charlie M. wrote:
[...]
 Have you run gendistrib yet? I believe that's used to clean the trees
before
 building ISOs but I could be wrong. I'm sure there are notes about it on
the
 TWiki (cooker).
 

gendistrib if for prepairing the tree for hd / network installs...
you don't need it for making cds...

both gendistrib and makecd does that procedure...
gendistrib verifies dependencies and write one hdlist.cz / synthesis for
the whole media, leaving out the packages that don't have their
depencies met...

as for makecd is does the exact same thing, but it splits up hdlist.cz
and synthesis based on amount of cd's, and their contents
(so urpmi/rpmdrake will know on wich cd to look...)


[...]

 I'll probably wait for the power pack, too.  I was just curious as to
 how to do it.  The CDs I made, did boot, but I didn't try installing
 because of all of the dependency errors (most of them in apach2, but
 there were others, too, like gdm).  My real reason to try was that I
 have a high speed connection from work, but not home.  But the work
 connection does work with BitTorrent.  So, I could ftp the 9.2 tree down
 and I thought I would build my own ISOs.  Like I said, the process was
 pretty smooth (although lengthy) and I ended up with 8 CDs (I included
 contrib, too).  But, with all of those dependency errors, I didn't want
 to risk screwing something up (my test linux box is temporarily in
 production).


The dependency problems is only makecd's way to inform you
that those packages won't be on the cd's as you cant install them
anyway...
so it does make the cd's installable ...

 In reality, downloading the tree and running MakeCD was not
 significantly more work that ftp'ing ISOs.  Oh well, the powerpack
 should be shipping in the next two weeks!

 Joeb


Regards

Thomas



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Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD

2003-10-19 Thread Charlie M.
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October 19, 2003 06:11 am, Thomas Backlund wrote:
 [...]
  Have you run gendistrib yet? I believe that's used to clean the trees
 before building ISOs but I could be wrong. I'm sure there are notes about it 
on the TWiki (cooker).

 gendistrib if for prepairing the tree for hd / network installs...
 you don't need it for making cds...

I guess that's another of those things I do from habit then. Left over from 
too many urpmi errors/installation failed messages.

 both gendistrib and makecd does that procedure...
 gendistrib verifies dependencies and write one hdlist.cz / synthesis for
 the whole media, leaving out the packages that don't have their
 depencies met...

After I posted that reply I ran makecd against my local cooker tree to build a 
set of disks for a friend that wants to participate but has broadband that 
isn't quite. Tons and tons of errors/warnings but it did generate disks. I'll 
post if they aren't usable for an install. That won't necessarily apply to 
the 9.2 tree though. It's a cooker tree.

 as for makecd is does the exact same thing, but it splits up hdlist.cz
 and synthesis based on amount of cd's, and their contents
 (so urpmi/rpmdrake will know on wich cd to look...)
 [...]

  I'll probably wait for the power pack, too.  I was just curious as to
  how to do it.  The CDs I made, did boot, but I didn't try installing
  because of all of the dependency errors (most of them in apach2, but
  there were others, too, like gdm).  My real reason to try was that I
  have a high speed connection from work, but not home.  But the work
  connection does work with BitTorrent.  So, I could ftp the 9.2 tree down
  and I thought I would build my own ISOs.  Like I said, the process was
  pretty smooth (although lengthy) and I ended up with 8 CDs (I included
  contrib, too).  But, with all of those dependency errors, I didn't want
  to risk screwing something up (my test linux box is temporarily in
  production).

 The dependency problems is only makecd's way to inform you
 that those packages won't be on the cd's as you cant install them
 anyway...
 so it does make the cd's installable ...

  In reality, downloading the tree and running MakeCD was not
  significantly more work that ftp'ing ISOs.  Oh well, the powerpack
  should be shipping in the next two weeks!
 
  Joeb

 Regards

 Thomas

I'll eventually attain knowledge enough to be as helpful as some others on 
these lists. Maybeif my head doesn't explode. (-:

My mission at the moment though is to see how long I can keep this cooker 
install up to date without having to reboot/hd install. The only real reason 
to reboot now would be to start using one of the newer kernels I've 
installed. I really am good at breaking things through sheer ape-like 
curiosity though. g

Speaking of kernels; I for one appreciate all your hard work on that front.

Thanks Thomas.

Regards;
Charlie
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Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk
10:51:11 up 29 days, 14 min, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.04, 0.21
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Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD

2003-10-19 Thread James Sparenberg
On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 10:21, Charlie M. wrote:
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 October 19, 2003 06:11 am, Thomas Backlund wrote:
  [...]
   Have you run gendistrib yet? I believe that's used to clean the trees
  before building ISOs but I could be wrong. I'm sure there are notes about it 
 on the TWiki (cooker).
 
  gendistrib if for prepairing the tree for hd / network installs...
  you don't need it for making cds...
 
 I guess that's another of those things I do from habit then. Left over from 
 too many urpmi errors/installation failed messages.
 
  both gendistrib and makecd does that procedure...
  gendistrib verifies dependencies and write one hdlist.cz / synthesis for
  the whole media, leaving out the packages that don't have their
  depencies met...
 
 After I posted that reply I ran makecd against my local cooker tree to build a 
 set of disks for a friend that wants to participate but has broadband that 
 isn't quite. Tons and tons of errors/warnings but it did generate disks. I'll 
 post if they aren't usable for an install. That won't necessarily apply to 
 the 9.2 tree though. It's a cooker tree.
 
  as for makecd is does the exact same thing, but it splits up hdlist.cz
  and synthesis based on amount of cd's, and their contents
  (so urpmi/rpmdrake will know on wich cd to look...)
  [...]
 
   I'll probably wait for the power pack, too.  I was just curious as to
   how to do it.  The CDs I made, did boot, but I didn't try installing
   because of all of the dependency errors (most of them in apach2, but
   there were others, too, like gdm).  My real reason to try was that I
   have a high speed connection from work, but not home.  But the work
   connection does work with BitTorrent.  So, I could ftp the 9.2 tree down
   and I thought I would build my own ISOs.  Like I said, the process was
   pretty smooth (although lengthy) and I ended up with 8 CDs (I included
   contrib, too).  But, with all of those dependency errors, I didn't want
   to risk screwing something up (my test linux box is temporarily in
   production).
 
  The dependency problems is only makecd's way to inform you
  that those packages won't be on the cd's as you cant install them
  anyway...
  so it does make the cd's installable ...
 
   In reality, downloading the tree and running MakeCD was not
   significantly more work that ftp'ing ISOs.  Oh well, the powerpack
   should be shipping in the next two weeks!
  
   Joeb
 
  Regards
 
  Thomas
 
 I'll eventually attain knowledge enough to be as helpful as some others on 
 these lists. Maybeif my head doesn't explode. (-:
 
 My mission at the moment though is to see how long I can keep this cooker 
 install up to date without having to reboot/hd install. The only real reason 
 to reboot now would be to start using one of the newer kernels I've 
 installed. I really am good at breaking things through sheer ape-like 
 curiosity though. g


Charlie,

   I know that one.  I remember RH4.2 and two solid weeks of install
adjust break... re-install, adjust, break,. And for those
who say a re-install is never needed. You should have seen how well I
broke 4.2  One thing I got really good at was setting up multi-boot
boxes.  (I was running RH4.2, A Korean Linux who's name I've forgotten,
FreeBSD 2.6 and winders ninety weight.)  All on a single pair of 3 gig
drives.  My greatest discovery was KDE 0.5(or thereabouts) for FreeBSD. 
And yes, KDE was originally a FreeBSD wm.  

James
 
 
 Speaking of kernels; I for one appreciate all your hard work on that front.
 
 Thanks Thomas.
 
 Regards;
 Charlie
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 10:51:11 up 29 days, 14 min, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.04, 0.21
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Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD

2003-10-19 Thread Charlie M.
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October 19, 2003 03:39 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
whack
  I'll eventually attain knowledge enough to be as helpful as some others
  on these lists. Maybeif my head doesn't explode. (-:
 
  My mission at the moment though is to see how long I can keep this cooker
  install up to date without having to reboot/hd install. The only real
  reason to reboot now would be to start using one of the newer kernels
  I've installed. I really am good at breaking things through sheer
  ape-like curiosity though. g

 Charlie,

I know that one.  I remember RH4.2 and two solid weeks of install
 adjust break... re-install, adjust, break,. And for those
 who say a re-install is never needed. You should have seen how well I
 broke 4.2  One thing I got really good at was setting up multi-boot
 boxes.  (I was running RH4.2, A Korean Linux who's name I've forgotten,
 FreeBSD 2.6 and winders ninety weight.)  All on a single pair of 3 gig
 drives.  My greatest discovery was KDE 0.5(or thereabouts) for FreeBSD.
 And yes, KDE was originally a FreeBSD wm.

 James

That all sounds _so_ familiar. :-))) Especially the winders ninety weight 
(SE) part. The versions were more recent but the pain of the self inflicted 
variety was similar.

I remember hating GNOME and being ecstatic when I was able to run KDE too. I 
still hate GNOME but I'm more inclined to ignore KDE as well now.

Thanks James for bringing back those memories to illustrate that it ain't as 
tough as it once was. g

Charlie
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Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD

2003-10-18 Thread Charlie M.
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October 18, 2003 09:03 am, Joeb wrote:
 I've downloaded the 9.2 tree and I am attempting to build the ISO images
 with MakeCD.  Using the commands in the README.MakeCD, the ISOs are all
 created, but there are a lot packages that give dependency errors and
 are left out.  Also, I notice that the descriptions for the ISOs all
 refer to Cooker-Download 1 (2,3,4,etc).

 I'm wondering if what is out on the servers is really 9.2 or is it a
 cooker snapshot?Also, there is a i586/misc/doc directory that looks
 like it has a configuration file for 9.2, but I can't figure out how to
 use it.  Since it takes a long time to build the ISOs, trial and error
 becomes very frustrating.  So, has anyone else tried building the ISOs
 with MakeCD?


 Joeb

 p.s. if/when I get this to work, with all of the wrinkles out, I'll post
 it to the twiki.

Hi Joe;

In this part of the development cycle cooker as frozen for release is 9.2, 9.2 
is cooker to all intents and purposes. The script used to generate the ISOs 
is slightly different but the packages are basically the same.

The only ISOs I've generated are from my local cooker mirror and are called 
Cooker Download after generation, but after install the boot splash 
identifies it as 9.2 Download edition. If you're impatient for the release 
you could try that, I don't know if it will work still since I did this 
before rsync started actually pulling new packages. In other words when 
cooker was still frozen.

Have you run gendistrib yet? I believe that's used to clean the trees before 
building ISOs but I could be wrong. I'm sure there are notes about it on the 
TWiki (cooker). 

http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/CookerHowTo#Running_gendistrib

There are links and mini how-tos from that page to MakeCD and other tidbits.

Personally I think I'll wait for the 7 disk Power Pack from the Mandrake 
Store. Disks only, no support, no manuals etc. 

But not for this box. It stays cooked.

http://www.mandrakestore.com/mdkinc/index.php?PAGE=tab_6/menu_1.phpid_art=346LANG_=en#GOTO_346

That link will probably wrap.

Regards;
Charlie
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Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk
13:49:56 up 28 days, 3:12, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
I owe the government $3400 in taxes.  So I sent them two hammers and a
toilet seat.
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Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD

2003-10-18 Thread Joeb
Charlie M. wrote:

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October 18, 2003 09:03 am, Joeb wrote:
 

I've downloaded the 9.2 tree and I am attempting to build the ISO images
with MakeCD.  Using the commands in the README.MakeCD, the ISOs are all
created, but there are a lot packages that give dependency errors and
are left out.  Also, I notice that the descriptions for the ISOs all
refer to Cooker-Download 1 (2,3,4,etc).
I'm wondering if what is out on the servers is really 9.2 or is it a
cooker snapshot?Also, there is a i586/misc/doc directory that looks
like it has a configuration file for 9.2, but I can't figure out how to
use it.  Since it takes a long time to build the ISOs, trial and error
becomes very frustrating.  So, has anyone else tried building the ISOs
with MakeCD?
Joeb

p.s. if/when I get this to work, with all of the wrinkles out, I'll post
it to the twiki.
   

Hi Joe;

In this part of the development cycle cooker as frozen for release is 9.2, 9.2 
is cooker to all intents and purposes. The script used to generate the ISOs 
is slightly different but the packages are basically the same.

The only ISOs I've generated are from my local cooker mirror and are called 
Cooker Download after generation, but after install the boot splash 
identifies it as 9.2 Download edition. If you're impatient for the release 
you could try that, I don't know if it will work still since I did this 
before rsync started actually pulling new packages. In other words when 
cooker was still frozen.

Have you run gendistrib yet? I believe that's used to clean the trees before 
building ISOs but I could be wrong. I'm sure there are notes about it on the 
TWiki (cooker). 

http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/CookerHowTo#Running_gendistrib

There are links and mini how-tos from that page to MakeCD and other tidbits.

Personally I think I'll wait for the 7 disk Power Pack from the Mandrake 
Store. Disks only, no support, no manuals etc. 

But not for this box. It stays cooked.

http://www.mandrakestore.com/mdkinc/index.php?PAGE=tab_6/menu_1.phpid_art=346LANG_=en#GOTO_346

That link will probably wrap.

Regards;
Charlie
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Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org
Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk
13:49:56 up 28 days, 3:12, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
I owe the government $3400 in taxes.  So I sent them two hammers and a
toilet seat.
		-- Michael McShane
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I'll probably wait for the power pack, too.  I was just curious as to 
how to do it.  The CDs I made, did boot, but I didn't try installing 
because of all of the dependency errors (most of them in apach2, but 
there were others, too, like gdm).  My real reason to try was that I 
have a high speed connection from work, but not home.  But the work 
connection does work with BitTorrent.  So, I could ftp the 9.2 tree down 
and I thought I would build my own ISOs.  Like I said, the process was 
pretty smooth (although lengthy) and I ended up with 8 CDs (I included 
contrib, too).  But, with all of those dependency errors, I didn't want 
to risk screwing something up (my test linux box is temporarily in 
production). 

In reality, downloading the tree and running MakeCD was not 
significantly more work that ftp'ing ISOs.  Oh well, the powerpack 
should be shipping in the next two weeks!

Joeb



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