Re: [gentoo-ppc-user] problems with PowerBook G4
Yes, it turns out that is the problem! The router somehow got misconfigured as 0.0.0.0 instead of 10.0.1.1. here is ifconfig: bond0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:00:00:00:00 BROADCAST MASTER MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) dummy0Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 86:DB:59:06:1D:3C BROADCAST NOARP MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:03:93:80:24:F2 inet addr:10.0.1.200 Bcast:10.255.255.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:17 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:16 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:1374 (1.3 Kb) TX bytes:1174 (1.1 Kb) Interrupt:41 Base address:0x7400 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:30:65:16:B7:DD inet addr:10.0.1.12 Bcast:10.255.255.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:22 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:20 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:1910 (1.8 Kb) TX bytes:3002 (2.9 Kb) Interrupt:57 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:4 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:4 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:280 (280.0 b) TX bytes:280 (280.0 b) and route -n: Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface 10.0.1.0* 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 10.0.1.0* 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 loopbacklocalhost 255.0.0.0 UG0 0 0 lo Is the right command to use 10.0.1.1 as a router (for both eth1 and eth0) 'route add default gw 10.0.1.1'? Or is it something else? That is what I got from manning route, but I don't what to mess anything up by having conflicting IP addresses. thanks nick On Sep 22, 2005, at 4:29 AM, Matti Bickel wrote: Nicholas S-A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The output is actually this error from 'man connect': [ENETUNREACH] The network isn't reachable from this host. Since you can reach your router: have you checked *which* interface reaches the router? What's the output of route -n? Sorry, just a wild guess. Matti -- -- gentoo-ppc-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: gmail
Hi, On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 22:35 -0700, Stephen Micheals wrote: i also have about 200 free for anyone that would like to have one :) On 9/21/05, Denis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heck I got 99 invites just collecting dust... :) I came late, but if you want gmail invites or if you have spare invites, go to http://www.highwayman.org/gmail/ They have about 700. You ask for one, and then donate yours back to them for the next person in the list. As you can see, it works so well, they have 100's spare. -- Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge gnome
On Wed, 21 Sep 2005, Stewart Taylor wrote: Hi Trivial yes, but easily overlooked. I have 1.6 GB free and the file length is correct. Stewart Very trivial question. Have you got enough freespace? Is the saved file equal in size with the said by wget? Cheers, Tamas Sarga Sárga Tamás -- Make the world confused!Zavard össze a világot! Smile on monday morning!Mosolyogj hétf? reggel! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Hi, If I saw well, then the file had been downloaded before you tried to emerge (at least the + signs in wget output means it to me). Maybe the permissions on the downloaded file isn't correct. If nothing else helps I would try to emerge --sync, mv the file to somewhere and retry the emerge. HTH. Cheers, Tamas Sarga Sárga Tamás -- Make the world confused!Zavard össze a világot! Smile on monday morning!Mosolyogj hétfő reggel! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] complete mess with dev-lang/php and dev-php/php
On 21/09/05, Bruno Lustosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: blah blah blah http://stu.gnqs.org/diary/index.php http://svn.gnqs.org/projects/gentoo-php-overlay/ -- Richard Brown -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] transfer large files via samba cause system freeze
Heinz Sporn wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 22.09.2005, 11:03 +0800 schrieb Qiangning Hong: I tried to transfer a large file (~300MB) to a windows machine from my gentoo laptop: # mount -t cifs //winbox/movies /mnt/samba -o iocharset=utf8,umask= What if you just try mount -o username=xxx //winbox/movies /mnt/samba ? Does this resolve to a smb type mount (instead of CIFS)? Does it work better? Kernel options for SMB / CIFS ? Isn't CIFS considered as a better SMBFS? My winbox is a Chinese version windows, use smbfs will cause the filename containing Chinese characters messed up. When use cifs with -o iocharset=utf8, these characters are resolved correctly. What do you mean of Kernal options for SMB / CIFS? I just build them as modules. -- Qiangning Hong http://www.hn.org/hongqn (RSS: http://feeds.feedburner.com/hongqn) Registered Linux User #396996 Get Firefox! http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesid=67907t=1 Thunderbird! http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesid=67907t=183 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] transfer large files via samba cause system freeze
Am Donnerstag, den 22.09.2005, 16:26 +0800 schrieb Qiangning Hong: Heinz Sporn wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 22.09.2005, 11:03 +0800 schrieb Qiangning Hong: I tried to transfer a large file (~300MB) to a windows machine from my gentoo laptop: # mount -t cifs //winbox/movies /mnt/samba -o iocharset=utf8,umask= What if you just try mount -o username=xxx //winbox/movies /mnt/samba ? Does this resolve to a smb type mount (instead of CIFS)? Does it work better? Kernel options for SMB / CIFS ? Isn't CIFS considered as a better SMBFS? It's been said. Still - do you have both SMBFS and CIFS support built into your kernel, or just CIFS? If the later is true I would include SMBFS as well and try the same thing with good old SMB as well (you may use both simultanously anyway). Interessting details missing: your kernel and windoze version? My winbox is a Chinese version windows, use smbfs will cause the filename containing Chinese characters messed up. When use cifs with -o iocharset=utf8, these characters are resolved correctly. What do you mean of Kernal options for SMB / CIFS? I just build them as modules. -- Qiangning Hong http://www.hn.org/hongqn (RSS: http://feeds.feedburner.com/hongqn) Registered Linux User #396996 Get Firefox! http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesid=67907t=1 Thunderbird! http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesid=67907t=183 -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Heinz Sporn SPORN it-freelancing Mobile: ++43 (0)699 / 127 827 07 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.sporn-it.com Snail: Steyrer Str. 20 A-4540 Bad Hall Austria / Europe -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] idea about small footprint gentoo
Hi, I'm thinking of a small footprint gentoo produced in this way: 1) install everything you need 2) note current system time 3) reboot and do all operations you need in this small gentoo 4) remount with noatime 5) find all files in the FS that have an atime before the system time you note in 2) 6) delete all files found in 5); they were not accessed, so we don't need them? What do you think about this? Does it have a chance to work? THX, Sascha. -- Air conditioned environment - do not open windows! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] USB modem
-Original Message- From: Thanasis Papakonstantinou [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 September 2005 00:10 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] USB modem Can you recommend an external *USB* dialup PSTN modem, which will work 100-90% in Gento 2.6.13r1 ? After failing to setup my laptop's mart link winmodem (it can't be done, i'll have to wait), a USB modem is the only solution Sorry, I haven't a direct answer to your question, only a warning: check that the supposedly external modem is a real external hardware modem. There's a few around which in reality are software winmodems in-a-box. You plug them in and then spend a lot of time wondering why it doesn't work. :-@ Googling around once you set your eyes on a particular USB modem usually provides some useful clues. -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] samba
Michael W. Holdeman wrote: I keep getting this error, error libsmb programs must not be setuid root? This after upgrading samba. The config seems alright, I just can't mount any shares due to this error. Mike Check out the Gentoo forums. I had this same problem and found a fix there. -- Edward A Mihalow Jr Gentoo!Linux Registered Linux User#225662 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Re: [gentoo-user] SATA and RAID
Thank you both for the comments. This helps. From: Heinz Sporn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/22 Thu AM 01:42:20 EDT To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org CC: Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] SATA and RAID Am Donnerstag, den 22.09.2005, 00:59 -0400 schrieb Ron Bickers: On Wed September 21 2005 09:51 pm, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: 1. For SATA RAID what cards and drives do you recommend for a desktop system running Gentoo. I will be doing some audio recording on a dual AMD 1.6 with 2 gig of memory I'm running several Seagate 200GB drives with the SATA controllers on the Intel 915G boards I have. The driver is included with the kernel (ata_piix) and I've had no problems with it. Linux treats it as a SCSI device. If you're buying a separate card, you might want to check around for availability and stability of the drivers first. It seems as if I'm having pretty much the same layout in several of my servers. Running Software Raid 1 on 200GB Seagate SATA drives. Worked out of the box with vanilla sources 2.6.12.5. I recommend using mdadm to build the array instead of using the older RAID tools described in the Gentoo Wiki. In my experience, audio recording has relatively low hardware requirements for today's machines, unless you're trying to do some heaving encoding/compressing on-the-fly. 2. If I went with SATA how much does using software RAID and LVM hurt me? That depends on what you mean by RAID (0, 1, 5, etc.) and what you want out of it. I have two 200GB SATA drives setup with LVM's striping and the read and write throughput is considerably faster (benchmarked and perceived) than with one drive. 3. Anything else I should know? Your choice of file system may make as much of a difference as anything. Consider running tests if you aren't married to one already. -- Ron -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Heinz Sporn SPORN it-freelancing Mobile: ++43 (0)699 / 127 827 07 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.sporn-it.com Snail: Steyrer Str. 20 A-4540 Bad Hall Austria / Europe -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Re: [gentoo-user] SATA and RAID
My moterboard (Tyan Tiger) does nto have SATA support so I need a separate card. For RAID I'm running RAID10 on an existing SCSI system - two RAID1 combined to a RAID0 but I'm open to better things. Filesystem of choice is XFS but what did you find? From: Ron Bickers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/22 Thu AM 12:59:51 EDT To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org CC: Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] SATA and RAID On Wed September 21 2005 09:51 pm, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: 1. For SATA RAID what cards and drives do you recommend for a desktop system running Gentoo. I will be doing some audio recording on a dual AMD 1.6 with 2 gig of memory I'm running several Seagate 200GB drives with the SATA controllers on the Intel 915G boards I have. The driver is included with the kernel (ata_piix) and I've had no problems with it. Linux treats it as a SCSI device. If you're buying a separate card, you might want to check around for availability and stability of the drivers first. In my experience, audio recording has relatively low hardware requirements for today's machines, unless you're trying to do some heaving encoding/compressing on-the-fly. 2. If I went with SATA how much does using software RAID and LVM hurt me? That depends on what you mean by RAID (0, 1, 5, etc.) and what you want out of it. I have two 200GB SATA drives setup with LVM's striping and the read and write throughput is considerably faster (benchmarked and perceived) than with one drive. 3. Anything else I should know? Your choice of file system may make as much of a difference as anything. Consider running tests if you aren't married to one already. -- Ron -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] evolution 2.4 inline pgp sign/encrypt support ?
On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 11:11 -0700, gentuxx wrote: I used to be a die-hard evolution user, but then something I emerged and/or updated broke all of the icons in the display, so I stopped using it. (Seems fixed now, though, I just checked ;-) ) Anyhow, I suspect that this is more likely a function of the recipient. I sent a signed test message to a couple gmail accounts, one is received by Outlook through the POP interface, and also this account (which is normally viewed using Thunderbird). I didn't receive the msg sent to this account, so I can't be sure (seems to be a quirk of Thunderbird, and possibly Kmail), but the message received by Outlook had the signature attached. The message in the gmail web interface to this account, was signed inline. I sent a message to gmail as well as another imap a/c and it seems gmail shows the attached signature along with the message. Its not inline. I sent an inline signed message from another client and in evolution 2.4 it displayed it correctly, however in 2.2.3, it didn't display it corectly. So my guess is, evolution 2.4 has support to read inline signed/encrypted messages properly but no support to sign/encrypt inline. -R'twick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update world build problem
On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 10:36 +0200, Tamas Sarga wrote: On Wed, 21 Sep 2005, John Jolet wrote: I'm having a problem doing an emerge --update world OR system on a new system, just set up today using the minimal boot cd, downloading the latest stage3 file for pentium 4, and the latest portage snapshot. It seems to be dying on the build for glibc. trying to move xtrace.new to xtrace (looong path omitted). I don't see a failure on the xtrace build step right above that. What gives? Hi, What is the last 50 lines of emerge? darn, i've powered down that system. filed a bug at b.g.o, though. Haven't you change any not-too-wise-to-change-in-case-of-stage3 attributes, such as CHOST, have you? Nah, didn't change a thing NB.: Only do emerge --update world is not security wise solution, 'cause the not direct dependencies won't be updated. Do emerge --deep --update world instead! yeah, doing the emerge --update because the --deep blew up with this. got an email that the bug is resolved, i'll read the notice when i get in to work HTH. Cheers, Tamas Sarga Sárga Tamás -- Make the world confused! Zavard össze a világot! Smile on monday morning! Mosolyogj hétfő reggel! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] recommendation: well linux-supported inkjet printers
Hi all, Does anyone can recommend a well-supported inkjet printer for using with Linux? Thanks in advance, Mauro -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: gmail
well, if you need one, tell me your address. On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 05:16:31PM -0400, Michael W. Holdeman wrote: I am sure I'll get flamed for this, but I am in need of a gmail account, anyone have one to give? Mike -- Michael W. Holdeman Powered by Gentoo Linux www.gentoo.org | Kernel 2.6.11-ck8 | Win4Lin 5-1-20 netraverse.com | Win4LinPro 6.1.1-03 win4lin.com | | -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] recommendation: well linux-supported inkjet printers
Does anyone can recommend a well-supported inkjet printer for using with Linux? You can pretty much go with any printer. Cups supports a wide range of printers. If you're worried about a particular product, the cups site can help you... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] System update problems
-Original Message- From: Rupert Young (Restart) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 September 2005 12:25 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] System update problems Thanks. Unless anyone else has any suggestions I will try it. Can anyone else confirm this is the way to go before I try? It depends how patient you are. The suggested fix will bring your machine up to an as new condition. On the other hand, it might unnecessarily rebuilt packages that may not be broken or need updating (yet) and will take years to complete (well, it depends on how fast your machine is :-) That said I would think that after a whole year there wouldn't be much left in portage, which has not a new ebuild? As an alternative, if your machine is not totally hosed you could start from the bottom up rebuilding the core packages and after a fresh --sync, update the whole world. Try re-emerging the gentoo toolkit: gcc-config glibc binutils libstdc++. Run # etc-update and # env-update source /etc/profile as required and rebuild portage; do another --sync; and then emerge -upDv world to see what comes up in need for an update. However, if basic compilers, etc. are broken you will not be able to re-emerge the toolkit and the solution suggested by Dave remains the best option. -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] idea about small footprint gentoo
-Original Message- From: Sascha Lucas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 September 2005 13:01 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] idea about small footprint gentoo no what about stuff that doesn't run all the time? stuff that cro needs etc? I realy know what will run on such a system. Think of a router, or a datacollector. Pleas tell me what is cro? I believe he meant cron. Besides cron jobs and associated executables, there's files which are accessed intermittently and written/read from even more sparsely. Unless you somehow log the file paths for all such interactions how will you ever know what to delete and what not? I guess you can keep backups and experiment so that you don't find out something's missing the hard way, next time you decide to reboot. -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] idea about small footprint gentoo
What do you think about this? Does it have a chance to work? I don't think it stands a snowball's chance in ... Well, you get the idea. Sascha, I'm thinking that if you start with a bare-bones handbook install you'll have a minimum system, at least for gentoo support. It won't have X, desktops, many of the services tools, etc. If you're thinking about an embedded device (i.e. a router) then you wouldn't want to use a source-based install like gentoo on it, you'd either want to use a binary distribution (many examples of minimum linux distributions out there, check http://www.distrowatch.com for variations) or you could create a home-brew distribution from a customized setup based upon gentoo, but a hand-generated distrib could be difficult to pull together (difficult to identify all of necessary files that must be on the distro). -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] recommendation: well linux-supported inkjet printers
On Thursday 22 September 2005 07:34, Mauro Faccenda wrote: Hi all, Does anyone can recommend a well-supported inkjet printer for using with Linux? Thanks in advance, Mauro I have an hp 3740 that works great. -- John Jolet Your On-Demand IT Department 512-762-0729 www.jolet.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] recommendation: well linux-supported inkjet printers
John Jolet wrote: On Thursday 22 September 2005 07:51, Dave Nebinger wrote: I'd add here, though, that almost no lexmark inkjets are supported. I would not agree with it. Try install gimp-print with +ppd use flag there are some of them supported. The only problem with my Lexmark Z53 which I got is how to calibrate cardriges (not the colors) - It prints text ok but tables are crashed. Greets Paul -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] recommendation: well linux-supported inkjet printers
On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 09:34:13AM -0300, Mauro Faccenda wrote: Hi all, Does anyone can recommend a well-supported inkjet printer for using with Linux? HP Deskjet 5550 works just fine -- It is not unusual for those at the wrong end of the club to have a clearer picture of reality than those who wield it. Noam Chomsky pgpf7Wf2lafBY.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] kde-meta won't emerge
Hello, I'm trying to emerge kde-meta. Before I have removed about every kde package to start as clean as possible. The merge fails here: Applying xdelta: kdeaddons-3.4.0-3.4.1.tar.xdelta ... /usr/qt/3/bin/moc ./kfile_cert.h -o kfile_cert.moc /bin/sh ../../libtool --silent --mode=compile --tag=CXX i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/kde/3.4/include -I/usr/qt/3/include -I. -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -D_REENTRANT -Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wno-long-long -Wundef -ansi -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -D_BSD_SOURCE -Wcast-align -Wconversion -Wchar-subscripts -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -Wwrite-strings -DNDEBUG -DNO_DEBUG -O2 -O2 -march=athlon-xp -pipe -Wformat-security -Wmissing-format-attribute -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-common -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_NO_STL -DQT_NO_COMPAT -DQT_NO_TRANSLATION -c -o kfile_cert.lo `test -f 'kfile_cert.cpp' || echo './'`kfile_cert.cpp kfile_cert.cpp: In function `KSSLCertificate* readCertFromFile(const QString) ': kfile_cert.cpp:110: error: `ERR_clear_error' undeclared (first use this function) kfile_cert.cpp:110: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.) kfile_cert.cpp:127: error: `d2i_X509' undeclared (first use this function) kfile_cert.cpp:130: error: `X509_free' undeclared (first use this function) kfile_cert.cpp: In member function `virtual bool CertPlugin::readInfo(KFileMetaInfo, unsigned int)': kfile_cert.cpp:156: error: `ERR_clear_error' undeclared (first use this function) make[3]: *** [kfile_cert.lo] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/kdeaddons-kfile-plugins-3.4.1/work/kdeaddons-kfile-plugins-3.4.1/kfile-plugins/cert' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/kdeaddons-kfile-plugins-3.4.1/work/kdeaddons-kfile-plugins-3.4.1/kfile-plugins' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/kdeaddons-kfile-plugins-3.4.1/work/kdeaddons-kfile-plugins-3.4.1' make: *** [all] Error 2 !!! ERROR: kde-base/kdeaddons-kfile-plugins-3.4.1 failed. !!! Function kde_src_compile, Line 170, Exitcode 2 !!! died running emake, kde_src_compile:make !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, NOT this status message. Any idea what this is and how to solve it? Thanks. Henk. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] smartctl: target a signle disk of a scsi raid array, not the raid array?
How do I use smartctl (smartmontools) on a single disk in a scsi raid array? I've done it before, I just forget how. /dev/sda is the entire array, not an individual disk. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] System update problems
Rupert Young (Restart) wrote: Thanks. Unless anyone else has any suggestions I will try it. Can anyone else confirm this is the way to go before I try? Regards, Rupert Well, since the library that the gcc build is complaining about is libc, I might suggest: emerge --oneshot sys-libs/glibc Then try your update again. If it still fails, then go with Dave's suggestion. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] script in /etc/cron.daily never runs
Dave Nebinger wrote: Also, check that the environment in the cron script is correct. It does not execute with the environment that you sit down at a terminal with, in particular $PATH. Another tip RE: environment variables cron, if you submit the job via at (sys-process/at), it will create an executable script in /var/spool/at/atjobs for running your submitted job, but the script includes the environment values from the session used to submit the job. So after submission via at, you can take the atjob file, copy it to your /etc/cron.* directory and you'll have everything you need regarding environment. Dave Thank you for the suggestion. I'll have to experiment with this. Matt -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] script in /etc/cron.daily never runs
Renat Golubchyk wrote: On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:15:04 -0500 John Jolet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 17:11 -0400, Matt Randolph wrote: I have a script in /etc/cron.daily that never runs. It works properly when run manually and it's been in there for weeks (and a reboot or two). I'm using vixie-cron. Is the executable bit set? Otherwise run chmod u+x scriptname. cron.daily doesn't get run from cron. gets run out of anacrondo you have anacron installed? That's wrong. I don't have anacron installed, I have plain vixie-cron, and cron.{hourly,daily,weekly,monthly} gets run from cron. Here are the relevant lines from /etc/crontab: # check scripts in cron.hourly, cron.daily, cron.weekly and cron.monthly 0* * * * root rm -f /var/spool/cron/lastrun/cron.hourly 30 6 * * * root rm -f /var/spool/cron/lastrun/cron.daily 15 7 * * 6 root rm -f /var/spool/cron/lastrun/cron.weekly 08 1 * * root rm -f /var/spool/cron/lastrun/cron.monthly */10 * * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons /usr/sbin/run-crons Cheers, Renat Thanks to everyone for their replies, but especially to Renat, Peter and Willie. Looking again, I saw that the line pertaining to run-crons was commented out. Perhaps it's time for me to increase the size of my console font. ;-) Matt -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] smartctl: target a signle disk of a scsi raid array, not the raid array?
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005, fire-eyes wrote: How do I use smartctl (smartmontools) on a single disk in a scsi raid array? I've done it before, I just forget how. /dev/sda is the entire array, not an individual disk. You have hardware RAID right? I think 3Ware is one of the RAID controllers that smartctl can query through and access the disks directly - I dont know what other brands it can work through this way. (Maybe ask on the smartmontools mailing list?). Some RAID controllers have Linux utilities available that allow you to control the card or access the disks from the command-line - check with your card manufacturer. -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] idea about small footprint gentoo
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005, Sascha Lucas wrote: I realy know what will run on such a system. Think of a router, or a datacollector. You might want to look at GNAP from the Embedded Gentoo project - it sounds close to the minimal setup you are looking for. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/gnap.xml To get the tools: emerge gnap gnap-dev Im interested in this and currently also working my way through O'Reilly's Building Embedded Linux Systems book: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/belinuxsys/ -- Aj. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] USB modem
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005, Michael Kintzios wrote: Googling around once you set your eyes on a particular USB modem usually provides some useful clues. Also reading /usr/src/linux/Documentation/usb/acm.txt might be useful. -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Firefox crashes over Flash
Does anyone else's Firefox crash whenever it hits a page with Flash on it? If I start a new .mozilla folder and always choose to not download Flash, everything is fine. As soon as I download Flash, it starts crashing whenever it sees a Flash file. - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] netqmail-1.05 ebuild
Howdy Gentooers. I've created a relatively simple ebuild that strictly follows Dave Sill's Life with qmail instructions found at http:// www.lifewithqmail.org. I'd be happy if a few other folks could test it out as well. From the web page: qmail mail server software, installed and patched per http:// www.lifewithqmail.org NOTE: This ebuild breaks and differs from standard and accepted Gentoo conventions, with strict intention of following the Life With qmail installation instructions as closely as possible; but automating the process with Portage. Therefore, you may notice untypical behavior from this package (no /etc/init.d/ script, for instance). AGAIN, if you're looking for qmail done the Gentoo way, use the Gentooified qmail package included in portage; you will be happier. However, if you are a minimalist and prefer things done according to DJB himself and most of the qmail pros on the qmail mailing list, look no further. FINAL NOTE: ucspi-tcp and daemontools are installed along with netqmail in this ebuild, per the LWQ guide. You will receive blocks from portage if those packages have been installed seperately, so don't fret! The ebuild can be grabbed from here: http://briandowney.net/? page=linuxsection=gentooebuildsebuild=netqmail -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox crashes over Flash
On 9/22/05, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone else's Firefox crash whenever it hits a page with Flash onit?If I start a new .mozilla folder and always choose to notdownload Flash, everything is fine.As soon as I download Flash, itstarts crashing whenever it sees a Flash file. Flash is working fine here, although I use the flashblock extension to be able to choose what flash content I want to see. How are you installing the flash plugin?-- Bruno Lustosa, aka Lofofora| Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Network Administrator/Web Programmer | ICQ: 1406477Rio de Janeiro - Brazil|
[gentoo-user] Re: idea about small footprint gentoo
On Thursday 22 September 2005 15:33, Michael Kintzios wrote: Besides cron jobs and associated executables, there's files which are accessed intermittently and written/read from even more sparsely. Unless you somehow log the file paths for all such interactions how will you ever know what to delete and what not? I guess you can keep backups and experiment so that you don't find out something's missing the hard way, next time you decide to reboot. It's way easier to mount the partition with atime option to track every file access time. Search for -atime -anewer and similar find options. Anyway this kind of approach can lead to instabilities, when it comes the moment your pc enters a state it never entered before and need a file deleted for scarce usage... Double check what to delete, and leave everything unknown in its place :-) Just my 2cts Ciao Francesco -- Linux Version 2.6.12-gentoo-r9, Compiled #2 Wed Aug 24 18:43:16 CEST 2005 One 2.2GHz AMD Athlon 64 Processor, 2GB RAM, 4325.37 Bogomips Total aemaeth -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox crashes over Flash
I find that Firefox has become much more unstable, but i can't figure out what i installed latest. haven't really installed much of anything at all lately. it crashes on most pages sooner or later - even those it has rendered before :( Anyone else seen this? MArtin S -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] SATA and RAID
On Thu September 22 2005 07:22 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For RAID I'm running RAID10 on an existing SCSI system - two RAID1 combined to a RAID0 but I'm open to better things. I don't have any experience with RAID10, but I've read good things about it. Filesystem of choice is XFS but what did you find? In my primitive tests, XFS showed good performance for really large files -- like raw video files in the gigabytes (as it was designed to do), but small and normal file size performance is what I needed more and it wasn't ideal. Earlier this year, I used XFS for several months on two servers and I liked it. However, through a bizarre series of power problems, I found parts of files wiped out with filler characters. That made me really nervous so I dropped it. I've had good stability with EXT3 in the past, but its performance wasn't something to cheer about. Despite the problems I had with Red Hat Linux support for ReiserFS a few years ago, I use it in most cases now. It has been stable for a while and does a great job for what I need; and of course I'm not using a Red Hat OS anymore. If you're happy with the performance, there's no need to change, but it wouldn't hurt to try some tests of your own while you're building a new server. -- Ron -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] nfs warning: mount version older than kernel
Hi, After months of working really well I've just recently started having trouble with our MythTV setup. I'm looking into what's gone wrong. The symptom is that recordings periodically look like you're hitting fast forward. Both audio and video are messed up in the same way. All machines are Gentoo 32-bit. The setup is like this: - dragonfly - the Myth backend machine has two PVR capture cards in it. Running on the system is mythbackend, mysql and the ivtv driver for the cards. This machine is my wife's desktop box and is updated regularly. I'm seeing various ivtv messages all of a sudden, along with a specific NFS message: nfs warning: mount version older than kernel The kernel is getting a bit old now. Emerge world happens often on this box. dragonfly ~ # uname -a Linux dragonfly 2.6.12-gentoo-r6 #3 Thu Aug 4 06:43:20 PDT 2005 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux dragonfly ~ # - myth14 - this is actually a Myth frontend only machine, but it has a large disk and serves as the main storage for our recordings. This machine hasn't been updated in at least 45 days. I see no messages or problems on this machine. myth14 ~ # uname -a Linux myth14 2.6.12-gentoo-r6 #2 Tue Aug 2 16:31:31 PDT 2005 i686 Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.26GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux myth14 ~ # The two machines are hooked together via wired Ethernet going to a DLink switch. These machines have been in this configuration for roughly 2-3 months and have worked great until recently when this problem started. Does anyone know what the message above mean and is it telling me there's a real problem here, or is it truly just a warning and I should look somewhere else for a solution to this Myth problem? Thanks, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Can I do this with GNUPLOT?
Hi All: Suppose I have 2 files, the first file's contents are (0, 100) and the second file's contents are (0, 50). Now, can I make GNUPLOT plot a graph with the average, i.e. (0, 100+50/2)? Sure, I could create a third file which stores the average (0, 75) and I could just plot the third file using GNUPLOT. The solution needs to be generic because each of these files could have any number of lines and I could have any number of files. But what I need to plot will always be the average. Thanks! Hareesh PS: Is there an IRC channel for GNUPLOT? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] specifying DNS servers
Can I specify different DNS servers for each of my two physical interfaces to use? One nic is configured for DHCP, and the other is static. The DHCP enabled NIC gets its DNS server list automatically and updates (overwrites) /etc/resolv.conf. How can I point my static IP NIC to a different DNS server since it's on a different network? Or is there a different/better solution?-- Mark[unwieldy legal disclaimer would go here - feel free to type your own]
RE: [gentoo-user] nfs warning: mount version older than kernel
dragonfly ~ # uname -a Linux dragonfly 2.6.12-gentoo-r6 #3 Thu Aug 4 06:43:20 PDT 2005 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux dragonfly ~ # myth14 ~ # uname -a Linux myth14 2.6.12-gentoo-r6 #2 Tue Aug 2 16:31:31 PDT 2005 i686 Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.26GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux myth14 ~ # What versions of nfs-utils are installed on the systems? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] specifying DNS servers
Name resolution is name resolution, whether on the static line or the dynamic line. What difference does it make? -Original Message- From: Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 2:44 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] specifying DNS servers Can I specify different DNS servers for each of my two physical interfaces to use? One nic is configured for DHCP, and the other is static. The DHCP enabled NIC gets its DNS server list automatically and updates (overwrites) /etc/resolv.conf. How can I point my static IP NIC to a different DNS server since it's on a different network? Or is there a different/better solution? -- Mark [unwieldy legal disclaimer would go here - feel free to type your own]
Re: [gentoo-user] specifying DNS servers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave Nebinger wrote: !-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Times New Roman;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} p.FigureDescription, li.FigureDescription, div.FigureDescription {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; text-align:center; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Times New Roman; font-style:italic;} p.BoxedCode, li.BoxedCode, div.BoxedCode {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; background:#E0E0E0; border:none; padding:0in; font-size:9.0pt; font-family:Courier New;} span.EmailStyle19 {font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} -- Name resolution is name resolution, whether on the static line or the dynamic line. What difference does it make? If they are on different networks, one interface may not be able to see the other interface, therefore not the name servers either. -Original Message- *From:* Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2005 2:44 PM *To:* gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org *Subject:* [gentoo-user] specifying DNS servers Can I specify different DNS servers for each of my two physical interfaces to use? One nic is configured for DHCP, and the other is static. The DHCP enabled NIC gets its DNS server list automatically and updates (overwrites) /etc/resolv.conf. How can I point my static IP NIC to a different DNS server since it's on a different network? Or is there a different/better solution? -- Mark [unwieldy legal disclaimer would go here - feel free to type your own] - -- gentux echo hfouvyAdpy/ofu | perl -pe 's/(.)/chr(ord($1)-1)/ge' gentux's gpg fingerprint == 34CE 2E97 40C7 EF6E EC40 9795 2D81 924A 6996 0993 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDMwC+LYGSSmmWCZMRApGaAJ0XaftKmVdDpsoMJx4UUY/Kb0EiYwCfR7d0 IWcIp4dWNTokqIlPa+UiQ7Q= =kUcl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] specifying DNS servers
Name resolution is name resolution, whether on the static line or the dynamic line. What difference does it make? If they are on different networks, one interface may not be able to see the other interface, therefore not the name servers either. But if one /etc/resolv.conf dns points to what is served by one side, and another points to a DNS for the other side, then name resolution, regardless of the source, still works. The only conflict I see is if you have a different ip address for a host depending upon which nic you use - i.e. yahoo.com resolves to one address on the dhcp'd line, but a different address when resolved across the static line. Then you have issues. If the OP's problem was strictly the overwrite of /etc/resolv.conf by the dhcp app, he could disable the auto-overwrite of /etc/resolv.conf and use the scripting capabilities to massage the /etc/resolv.conf to include one or more of the dns servers provided by the dhcp process. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] specifying DNS servers
On Sep 22, 2005, at 3:06 PM, gentuxx wrote:Name resolution is name resolution, whether on the static line orthe dynamic line. What difference does it make? If they are on different networks, one interface may not be able tosee the other interface, therefore not the name servers either.Is that true? I think unless forced, the internal routing setup during an ifconfig takes care of that very problem.As for the original poster, you could just tell dhcpd not to overwrite your resolv.conf. But I think you'd be better off re-evaluating your situation. What are you trying to achieve?-B
Re: [gentoo-user] idea about small footprint gentoo
On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 14:00 +0200, Sascha Lucas wrote: no what about stuff that doesn't run all the time? stuff that cro needs etc? I realy know what will run on such a system. Think of a router, or a datacollector. Pleas tell me what is cro? look at catalyst, it is the tool for building custom gentoo installs. I already did this. There you can specify what files/packages to remove. my intention is to know every file that can be removed. Well the .spec files for the minimal install cd gives you quite a few clues. You might also take a look at the build system for ipcop, it is built using LFS coupled with its own make files. IIRC it includes in the build system a list of files that will be installed on the target system. The build system source code is only in the order of 1 MB I think (Naturally it downloads a lot of other sources to actually build, but you don't need to do that to look at the target file list. Sascha. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] SATA and RAID
On Thursday 22 September 2005 19:26, Ron Bickers wrote: For RAID I'm running RAID10 on an existing SCSI system - two RAID1 combined to a RAID0 but I'm open to better things. I don't have any experience with RAID10, but I've read good things about it. If you're planning on doing it in software, you might want to wait for 2.6.14, or look at this bug: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5181 Filesystem of choice is XFS but what did you find? wasn't ideal. Earlier this year, I used XFS for several months on two servers and I liked it. However, through a bizarre series of power problems, I found parts of files wiped out with filler characters. That made me really nervous so I dropped it. That's how XFS gets a lot of it's speed, by agressively caching data in RAM. Power failures will cause all sorts of problems with it. -- Mike Williams -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] XFCE4 problem when using package CD installation
Hi, All, I am a pretty new user to Gentoo and I like it! I am trying to install XFce4 by gentoo 2005.1 package CD. But each time when I do startxfce4, it always gives me a error message error when loading shared libraries. Did I miss anything during the installation? Here is what I did to install Xfce4 put the package CD in mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom export PKGDIR=/mnt/cdrom emerge --usepkgonly xfce4 then I update rc.conf(using xdm and XSESSION=Xfce-4 and also make a .xsession(exec startxfce4) in my home directory) My machine is kind of old(PII 400). that is why I am trying to use package CD to install everything. Thanks. Haijiang -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Re: [gentoo-user] SATA and RAID
Thank you for the feedback.. From: Ron Bickers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/22 Thu PM 02:26:23 EDT To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] SATA and RAID On Thu September 22 2005 07:22 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For RAID I'm running RAID10 on an existing SCSI system - two RAID1 combined to a RAID0 but I'm open to better things. I don't have any experience with RAID10, but I've read good things about it. Filesystem of choice is XFS but what did you find? In my primitive tests, XFS showed good performance for really large files -- like raw video files in the gigabytes (as it was designed to do), but small and normal file size performance is what I needed more and it wasn't -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Re: [gentoo-user] SATA and RAID
Thank you for the feedback.. From: Ron Bickers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/22 Thu PM 02:26:23 EDT To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] SATA and RAID On Thu September 22 2005 07:22 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For RAID I'm running RAID10 on an existing SCSI system - two RAID1 combined to a RAID0 but I'm open to better things. I don't have any experience with RAID10, but I've read good things about it. Filesystem of choice is XFS but what did you find? In my primitive tests, XFS showed good performance for really large files -- like raw video files in the gigabytes (as it was designed to do), but small and normal file size performance is what I needed more and it wasn't -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Postfix Pine incompatability
Title: Message Greetings, I've installed Postfix. But when I try to use Pine as a mail client, I can't seem to read an inbox. It looks like Pine is trying to use an "inbox" which is a file, and Postfix delivers things as individual messagesto a folder. Can I configure Pine to read messages from a folder? Or, does pinerequire messages appended as one file? Or, is there something I can change in Posfix? I'm flexable :-) Thank you for your time Sean
[gentoo-user] Postfix receives OK, but won't send to internet
Title: Message Greetings, I have a partially working Postfix installation. It delivers messages on the localhost. It'll receive messages from the internet. But, it will not send messages to any hosts on the internet. I've checked my iptables and port 25 is open both ways. Also, each error I've gotten has been that the target smtp server has "Timed Out." Can anyone point me in the right direction? Postfix? Firewall? Host or Domain Name resolution? Other? Thank you for your time. Sean
Re: [gentoo-user] Postfix receives OK, but won't send to internet
On Sep 22, 2005, at 3:06 PM, Sean Lester wrote: Greetings, I have a partially working Postfix installation. It delivers messages on the localhost. It'll receive messages from the internet. But, it will not send messages to any hosts on the internet. I've checked my iptables and port 25 is open both ways. Also, each error I've gotten has been that the target smtp server has "Timed Out." Can anyone point me in the right direction? Postfix? Firewall? Host or Domain Name resolution? Other? Thank you for your time. Sean at the command line, get the name of one of the servers that's timed out. type "telnet servername 25" and see what happens. maybe post a snippet from the maillog before and after the timeout message.
RE: [gentoo-user] Postfix Pine incompatability
Title: Message Youre looking at the difference between an mbox-based tool (pine) and a maildir-based tool (postfix). Im not sure if the mbox/maildir USE flags can override the default behaviour, but you could try -mbox maildir in your USE flags and re-emerge both. Personally rather than trying to get pine to work I switched to mutt -Original Message- From: Sean Lester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:00 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] Postfix Pine incompatability Greetings, I've installed Postfix. But when I try to use Pine as a mail client, I can't seem to read an inbox. It looks like Pine is trying to use an inbox which is a file, and Postfix delivers things as individual messagesto a folder. Can I configure Pine to read messages from a folder? Or, does pinerequire messages appended as one file? Or, is there something I can change in Posfix? I'm flexable :-) Thank you for your time Sean
RE: [gentoo-user] Postfix receives OK, but won't send to internet
Title: Message Your ISP may be blocking port 25 outside of their own network. Most likely you need to configure postfix to relay mail through your ISPs mail server rather than just use your own. A lot of ISPs do this so they dont have to handle complaints about spam originating from one of their users. -Original Message- From: Sean Lester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:07 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] Postfix receives OK, but won't send to internet Greetings, I have a partially working Postfix installation. It delivers messages on the localhost. It'll receive messages from the internet. But, it will not send messages to any hosts on the internet. I've checked my iptables and port 25 is open both ways. Also, each error I've gotten has been that the target smtp server has Timed Out. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Postfix? Firewall? Host or Domain Name resolution? Other? Thank you for your time. Sean
Re: [gentoo-user] Can I do this with GNUPLOT?
On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 01:38:35PM -0500, Hareesh Nagarajan wrote: Suppose I have 2 files, the first file's contents are (0, 100) and the second file's contents are (0, 50). Now, can I make GNUPLOT plot a graph with the average, i.e. (0, 100+50/2)? Sure, I could create a third file which stores the average (0, 75) and I could just plot the third file using GNUPLOT. The solution needs to be generic because each of these files could have any number of lines and I could have any number of files. But what I need to plot will always be the average. the problem needs to be specific because I have no idea what you are thinking of: 1) Are the number of lines per file going to be the same? I.e., you can have a variable number of lines, N, but the N is independent of the file you choose? 2) Are you doing a line by line average? For 2 files of 3 lines each, will you end up with a final average with 3 data points (1st line from 1st file with the 1st line from second file and so on), or will you just have the average of all 6 points? There are many more uncertainties to your question, please be more specific. W -- S: mm W: hum, dan's been idle for almost three days. W: what's up with him!? S: have you seen him? is he dead? W: Yes, and Yes S: eek! did you kill him? W: I saw a zombie of distinct resemblance to Daniel Jonathan Peng yesterday and played pool with it for two hours W: no W: i think the frozen halibut he ordered was accidently airdropped instead of ground mailed W: and the 140 pounder, poor beast, is deeply hurt W: from landing on top of dan, instead of on the ground S: frozen... halibut...? W: so instead of dying instantaneously, the poor beast suffered a great deal W: yes W: we are just glad he didn't order a sperm whale... because a mistake of that magnitude would have destroyed forbes college altogether S: erk... what a strange occurence Sortir en Pantoufles: up 41 days, 23:31 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox crashes over Flash
Martin S wrote: it crashes on most pages sooner or later - even those it has rendered before :( Anyone else seen this? No. Not at all. In fact, I have never seen Firefox crash. Be lucky, Neil -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Postfix Pine incompatability
The official pine distribution doesn't support maildir. Since I don't run pine myself, I don't know if the maildir USE flag would provide the maildir patch for pine. If not: you can use another client (mutt comes to mind), or you can modify the configuration in /etc/postfix/main.cf You are looking for the variables home_mailbox and/or mail_spool_directory If you want the mails to be delivered to one file (a.k.a. mbox format), you want those variables to NOT end in /. If the variables end in /, the mail will be delivered to it as a qmail-style maildir. home_mailbox overrules mail_spool_directory, just in case you are wondering. http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html W On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 04:00:27PM -0400, Sean Lester wrote: Greetings, I've installed Postfix. But when I try to use Pine as a mail client, I can't seem to read an inbox. It looks like Pine is trying to use an inbox which is a file, and Postfix delivers things as individual messages to a folder. Can I configure Pine to read messages from a folder? Or, does pine require messages appended as one file? Or, is there something I can change in Posfix? I'm flexable :-) Thank you for your time Sean -- Somebody has suggested that as a solution to global warming we just change the earth's orbit a little bit. Personally, I'm not too keen to carry out this experiment quite yet. ~DeathMech, S. Sondhi. P-town PHY 205 Sortir en Pantoufles: up 41 days, 23:37 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge gnome
Hi Tamas The emerge --sync did the trick, everything is working fine now. Thanks for your help. Stewart -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Postfix receives OK, but won't send to internet
On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 04:06:34PM -0400, Sean Lester wrote: Greetings, I have a partially working Postfix installation. It delivers messages on the localhost. It'll receive messages from the internet. But, it will not send messages to any hosts on the internet. I've checked my iptables and port 25 is open both ways. Also, each error I've gotten has been that the target smtp server has Timed Out. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Postfix? Firewall? Host or Domain Name resolution? Other? What is your setup like? Is the smtp time out happening between client and postfix, or between postfix and a relay host? If the problem is that your mail client cannot send mail through postfix, check /etc/postfix/main.cf, a few variables of interest might be inet_interfaces, my_destination, mynetworks_style, etc. If the problem is between postfix and a relay host, perhaps your relay transport is configured wrong? What are the outputs in /var/log/mail/current after you try to send a mail? (That question only applies if you know the problem happens AFTER the mail gets passed from the client to postfix). W -- I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 41 days, 23:47 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] idea about small footprint gentoo
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:29:53 +1200 Nick Rout wrote: I already did this. There you can specify what files/packages to remove. my intention is to know every file that can be removed. Well the .spec files for the minimal install cd gives you quite a few clues. Specifically: http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/src/releng/specs/2005.1/x86/livecd-stage2-minimal.spec?root=gentoorev=1.1view=markup -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Postfix Pine incompatability
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:17:32 -0400 Dave Nebinger wrote: You're looking at the difference between an mbox-based tool (pine) and a maildir-based tool (postfix). I'm not sure if the mbox/maildir USE flags can override the default behaviour, but you could try -mbox maildir in your USE flags and re-emerge both. Where do you get the idea that pine has a mbox or maildir USE flag? It doesn't: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/Brother/UK-ENG $ emerge -pv pine These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild N] app-misc/mime-types-3 5 kB [ebuild N] mail-client/pine-4.63-r2 -debug -kerberos -largeterminal -ldap +pam -passfile +ssl 3,173 kB Total size of downloads: 3,178 kB However pine does have maildir built in, If you look at the ebuild (or read as it flashes past the screen) you will see: maildir_warn() { einfo einfo This build of Pine has Maildir support built in as einfo part of the chappa-all patch. einfo einfo If you have a maildir at ~/Maildir it will be your einfo default INBOX. The path may be changed with the einfo \maildir-location\ setting in Pine. einfo einfo To use /var/spool/mail INBOX again, set einfo \disable-these-drivers=md\ in your .pinerc file. einfo einfo Alternately, you might want to read following webpage, which explains how to einfo use multiple mailboxes simultaneously: echo echo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/pine-info/collections/incoming-folders/; echo : Personally rather than trying to get pine to work I switched to mutt. -Original Message- From: Sean Lester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:00 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] Postfix Pine incompatability Greetings, I've installed Postfix. But when I try to use Pine as a mail client, I can't seem to read an inbox. It looks like Pine is trying to use an inbox which is a file, and Postfix delivers things as individual messages to a folder. Can I configure Pine to read messages from a folder? Or, does pine require messages appended as one file? Or, is there something I can change in Posfix? I'm flexable :-) Thank you for your time Sean -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Postfix Pine incompatability
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:43:05 -0400 Willie Wong wrote: The official pine distribution doesn't support maildir. Since I don't run pine myself, I don't know if the maildir USE flag would provide the maildir patch for pine. For heaven's sake read the goddamned ebuild! (see the message I just posted). What is so difficult about: grep maildir /usr/portage/mail-client/pine/* We've had two misleading posts on this subject, which basically only offer a guess to a question that is very easily answered! -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Postfix receives OK, but won't send to internet
Many ISP's route all outgoing port 25 traffic to a black hole (as in they drop the packets not going to their smtp servers). You just need to configure postfix to push all your mail to your ISP's mail server. On Thu, 22 Sep 2005, Sean Lester wrote: Greetings, I have a partially working Postfix installation. It delivers messages on the localhost. It'll receive messages from the internet. But, it will not send messages to any hosts on the internet. I've checked my iptables and port 25 is open both ways. Also, each error I've gotten has been that the target smtp server has Timed Out. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Postfix? Firewall? Host or Domain Name resolution? Other? Thank you for your time. Sean -- Bryan Whitehead Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] XFCE4 problem when using package CD installation
run revdep-rebuild to find broken libraries/programs. On Thu, 22 Sep 2005, HG wrote: Hi, All, I am a pretty new user to Gentoo and I like it! I am trying to install XFce4 by gentoo 2005.1 package CD. But each time when I do startxfce4, it always gives me a error message error when loading shared libraries. Did I miss anything during the installation? Here is what I did to install Xfce4 put the package CD in mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom export PKGDIR=/mnt/cdrom emerge --usepkgonly xfce4 then I update rc.conf(using xdm and XSESSION=Xfce-4 and also make a .xsession(exec startxfce4) in my home directory) My machine is kind of old(PII 400). that is why I am trying to use package CD to install everything. Thanks. Haijiang -- Bryan Whitehead Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Can I do this with GNUPLOT?
This is a bit offtopic... maybe the gnuplot mailinglist? http://www.lns.cornell.edu/public/COMP/info/gnuplot/gpltinfo_1.html On Thu, 22 Sep 2005, Hareesh Nagarajan wrote: Hi All: Suppose I have 2 files, the first file's contents are (0, 100) and the second file's contents are (0, 50). Now, can I make GNUPLOT plot a graph with the average, i.e. (0, 100+50/2)? Sure, I could create a third file which stores the average (0, 75) and I could just plot the third file using GNUPLOT. The solution needs to be generic because each of these files could have any number of lines and I could have any number of files. But what I need to plot will always be the average. Thanks! Hareesh PS: Is there an IRC channel for GNUPLOT? -- Bryan Whitehead Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] [OT] Cups does not see devices
Hello, I got problem with my FreeBSD box. I installed cups cups-base and other stuff for it and when i try to add printer via webinterface it don't see any device (like parallel, usb, http and so on). Anybody got idea what could cause it? And how to resolve that problem? Thanks for any help Pawel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] nfs warning: mount version older than kernel
On 9/22/05, Dave Nebinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dragonfly ~ # uname -a Linux dragonfly 2.6.12-gentoo-r6 #3 Thu Aug 4 06:43:20 PDT 2005 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux dragonfly ~ # myth14 ~ # uname -a Linux myth14 2.6.12-gentoo-r6 #2 Tue Aug 2 16:31:31 PDT 2005 i686 Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.26GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux myth14 ~ # What versions of nfs-utils are installed on the systems? Sorry. I printed that here in a terminal and the forgot to copy it into the first message. 1.06-r6 on both systems: dragonfly ~ # emerge -pv nfs-utils These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] net-fs/nfs-utils-1.0.6-r6 +tcpd 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB dragonfly ~ # myth14 ~ # emerge -pv nfs-utils These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] net-fs/nfs-utils-1.0.6-r6 +tcpd 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB myth14 ~ # -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Cups does not see devices
Hi, I had a situation when I was trying to get my Laser Jet printer recognized. I was fine with the ink jet, which was connected via usb, but the laser was connected to a parallel port. I had to recompile the kernel and select Device Drivers -- Parallel Port Support -- *Parallel Port Support * PC-Style Hardware Don't know if this is a solution to your problem, but thought I would post anyway. Regards, Colleen Paweł Madej wrote: Hello, I got problem with my FreeBSD box. I installed cups cups-base and other stuff for it and when i try to add printer via webinterface it don't see any device (like parallel, usb, http and so on). Anybody got idea what could cause it? And how to resolve that problem? Thanks for any help Pawel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] System update problems
Thanks. 3. follow the 2005.1 handbook to expand the initial portage base into your root filesystem. By this do you mean downloading, unpacking and installing the thing called stage tarball? Regards, Rupert -Original Message- From: Dave Nebinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 September 2005 20:12 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] System update problems Any help appreciated. /usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux- gnu/../../libc.so when searching for -lc Dude, I think your build chain is now in a 'hosed' state, probably as a result of the migration that you were trying... Since gentoo is a source-based distro you're going to have to get this resolved before you can move forward. Others might have a better suggestion, but I'd probably approach it as follows: 1. back up the /etc directory. 2. back up the /var/lib/portage directory to keep your current world file. 3. follow the 2005.1 handbook to expand the initial portage base into your root filesystem. 4. restore the /etc and /var/lib/portage directory contents. 5. emerge --sync the system 6. emerge --update --deep --emptytree --newuse world The last step will take quite awhile to complete (depending upon what you've deployed already), but it should rebuild everything including your build chain. Now, as I said I don't know if this is the best way and would recommend hearing answers from others if they post any, and only look to this as a *possible* solution. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Cups does not see devices
http://www.linuxprinting.org/kpfeifle/LinuxKongress2002/Tutorial/ What is the result of running: lpinfo -v /usr/lib/cups/backend/usb (and the other scripts in the same directory, of course the directory could be elsewhere under freebsd) On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:10:35 +0200 Pawe³ Madej wrote: Hello, I got problem with my FreeBSD box. I installed cups cups-base and other stuff for it and when i try to add printer via webinterface it don't see any device (like parallel, usb, http and so on). Anybody got idea what could cause it? And how to resolve that problem? Thanks for any help Pawel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] top - 99.9% wa? What's 'wa'?
Hi, I'm looking at this mythbackend server machine using top. Sometimes the CPU usage goes to essentially 100%, but only in the 'wa' section. What is 'wa'? I searched through the man page but didn't see anything about this. I'm suspecting that this machine has stopped being able to keep up with MythTV due to something using up CPU time. I found that one of my wife's screensavers (Fireworks) was using 70-90% CPU so I've turned that off and things seem much better. Now when watching top I never see anything using more than a few %, but this 'wa' thing persists. top - 14:51:47 up 4:19, 3 users, load average: 1.75, 1.88, 1.58 Tasks: 91 total, 2 running, 88 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1 zombie Cpu(s): 0.3% us, 0.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 97.7% wa, 0.0% hi, 1.7% si Mem:499052k total, 493560k used, 5492k free, 3140k buffers Swap: 1052216k total, 368k used, 1051848k free, 342352k cached Thanks, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Cups does not see devices
Nick Rout wrote: http://www.linuxprinting.org/kpfeifle/LinuxKongress2002/Tutorial/ What is the result of running: lpinfo -v /usr/lib/cups/backend/usb (and the other scripts in the same directory, of course the directory could be elsewhere under freebsd) lpinfo -v shows nothing and directory /usr/lib/cups/backend is also empty (the same as you give is on my fbsd box) it is a little bit weird because i got it recompiled today. greets Pawel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Postfix Pine incompatability
On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 08:56:37AM +1200, Nick Rout wrote: On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:43:05 -0400 Willie Wong wrote: The official pine distribution doesn't support maildir. Since I don't run pine myself, I don't know if the maildir USE flag would provide the maildir patch for pine. For heaven's sake read the goddamned ebuild! (see the message I just posted). What is so difficult about: grep maildir /usr/portage/mail-client/pine/* We've had two misleading posts on this subject, which basically only offer a guess to a question that is very easily answered! So I made a gross overlook, but why can't you be civil about it? In my case, yes, it never occurred to me to read the ebuild, and I am ssh'ing in to my home machine, so I cannot say that I have no access. But what if someone is trying to help when reading from G-Mail? or at work and just browsing the e-mail and seeing a question they can likely answer from a brief search from Google? For some people the ebuild might not be sitting in an easily acceptable place you know. In my case I interpreted the question as basically the OP doesn't know what to call the different mailbox formats and hence cannot search on Google. So I provided that information (maildir vs mbox) and did a cursory search on Google and saw that the official distribution of Pine doesn't come with maildir support, though patches do exist. In any case, my post is not Misleading as you would have termed it. I offered common suggestions in the emerge-sense: when a feature may or may not have been included, check the USE flags. (Sure, I jumped the gun there and assumed that the OP, when sending the post, has a copy of Pine without maildir support, instead of just not knowing how to use the feature, but hopefully after pointing out the fact that such a thing is called maildir the OP would be able to configure pine for it.) And I did suggest the OP check for maildir support in his local copy before moving on to anything else. And if the OP is used to using pine + mbox, my second suggestion of configuring postfix to use mbox instead of maildir is an equally valid, sensible, and perhaps preferable (let's not get into a flamewar on the relative merits of mbox and maildir here) solution to the problem. Why did you think the profane language you used was called for? The worst case scenario in these things are the other poster and I making fools out of ourselves at large when the OP replied that he doesn't see any USE flags. We only suggested that the OP look into the USE flags, it is not like we are suggesting a recompile that might possibly hose the OP's system. I have no problem with you correcting our mistakes. I have no problem with you being arrogant about it. I have no problem with you double-posting that correction just to get your point across. But I find it extremely unpleasant that you have to use offensive language while doing any of the above. Best, W -- Optical mice are considered eunuchs hardware because they lack balls. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 42 days, 52 min -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] genkernel on sparc won't unmount initrd
I've installed gentoo on an old Ultra 10. I installed the standard 'sparc-sources' kernel (2.4.31) and tried to manually configure it, but the kernel kept crashing on boot. So I installed genkernel and copied the config file from the livecd. FYI: The Ultra 10 uses IDE harddrives, so the root/boot partition is at /dev/hda1. When I reboot, ramdisk kernel loads up but can't find /dev/hda ... instead, I can point it to '/dev/discs/disc0/part1' and it will continue booting (mounting everything as /dev/hdax .., including root). However, during the 'hand-off' (for lack of a better word) to the real kernel, the system complains that it can't umount '/tmp/.initrd/dev' and, instead, leaves it mounted even after the system comes up. To further complicate things, I can't even umount it (the /tmp/.initrd/xx mounts) even after the system is up and running. So far, it doesn't seem to be interferring with the function of the system, but I don't get the impression that this is a good thing and would like to know what I've done wrong. I'm not sure if this is an issue with genkernel, silo (the sparc version of lilo), bad choices on my end in configuring the kernel or a mixture of all three. Does anyone know why the tmp kernel (the ramdisk kernel) could not see '/dev/hda' but rather '/dev/discs/disc0/xxx' until after the real kernel is loaded? TIA, -Hani PS: I'll eventually go back to a manually created kernel, but I'd still like to know what I missed in regards to the genkernel setup.
Re: [gentoo-user] specifying DNS servers
No. Look into a split DNS setup: http://www.networkworld.com/columnists/2001/00288013.html On Thu, 22 Sep 2005, Mark wrote: Can I specify different DNS servers for each of my two physical interfaces to use? One nic is configured for DHCP, and the other is static. The DHCP enabled NIC gets its DNS server list automatically and updates (overwrites) /etc/resolv.conf. How can I point my static IP NIC to a different DNS server since it's on a different network? Or is there a different/better solution? -- Mark [unwieldy legal disclaimer would go here - feel free to type your own] -- Bryan Whitehead Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] idea about small footprint gentoo
I saw a post (I think it was this list, and the following was from memory) a month or two back of someone who did just this. They installed with a past date, then ran the system for a week or so and exercised it extensively. They then did the remove everything based on atime that hadnt been touched. The result was very successful, but they did come across the odd file they had to put back. Testing after the initial delete was considerable. From my point of view, such a stripped system would always be classified as unstable as you never know when it will ask for a file you removed as it is just too complex to check every circumstance. BillK On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 23:07 +1200, Nick Rout wrote: On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 12:01 +0200, Sascha Lucas wrote: Hi, I'm thinking of a small footprint gentoo produced in this way: 1) install everything you need 2) note current system time 3) reboot and do all operations you need in this small gentoo 4) remount with noatime 5) find all files in the FS that have an atime before the system time you note in 2) 6) delete all files found in 5); they were not accessed, so we don't need them? What do you think about this? Does it have a chance to work? no what about stuff that doesn't run all the time? stuff that cro needs etc? look at catalyst, it is the tool for building custom gentoo installs. THX, Sascha. -- Air conditioned environment - do not open windows! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Cups does not see devices
http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#mailing-list On Thu, 22 Sep 2005, Paweł Madej wrote: Hello, I got problem with my FreeBSD box. I installed cups cups-base and other stuff for it and when i try to add printer via webinterface it don't see any device (like parallel, usb, http and so on). Anybody got idea what could cause it? And how to resolve that problem? Thanks for any help Pawel -- Bryan Whitehead Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[gentoo-user] What's my architecture ? - was System update problems
I was having a problem updating my system, but I think I have a more fundamental problem. I'm not sure what my architecture is! Sorry for the dumb question. uname -a, gives the following Linux fluffy 2.6.7-gentoo-r14 #1 SMP Wed Aug 18 09:57:23 UTC 2004 x86_64 AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 250 AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux Does this mean my arch is x86 or amd? For those who have managed to get this far without collapsing in fits of hysterics a bit of history, * Someone installed gentoo about a year ago for me. * Last week I wanted to add some apps and as I was finding probs decided to do an upadate. * I think I did emerge sync first. * then tried emerge -uDpv world * somewhere I had a problem that make.profile was not linked * I did a symbolic link to the amd64 2005.1 dir * then had various problems, such as !!! ERROR: sys-devel/gcc-3.4.4-r1 failed, when doing emerge -uv system I have now link make.profile to /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2005.1 Was this right? I then did emerge --sync and etc-update on 61 config files. Now getting the error below on emerge -upv system. Am I barking up the right tadpole? !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy sys-libs/libstdc++-v3 have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - sys-libs/libstdc++-v3-3.3.3-r1 (masked by: ~x86 keyword) - sys-libs/libstdc++-v3-3.3.4 (masked by: ~x86 keyword) - sys-libs/libstdc++-v3-3.3.6 (masked by: ~x86 keyword) For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or section 2.2 Software Availability in the Gentoo Handbook. !!! Problem with ebuild sys-devel/gcc-3.4.1-r1 !!! Possibly a DEPEND/*DEPEND problem. !!! Depgraph creation failed. Regards, Rupert -Original Message- From: Michael Kintzios [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 September 2005 14:19 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] System update problems -Original Message- From: Rupert Young (Restart) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 September 2005 12:25 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] System update problems Thanks. Unless anyone else has any suggestions I will try it. Can anyone else confirm this is the way to go before I try? It depends how patient you are. The suggested fix will bring your machine up to an as new condition. On the other hand, it might unnecessarily rebuilt packages that may not be broken or need updating (yet) and will take years to complete (well, it depends on how fast your machine is :-) That said I would think that after a whole year there wouldn't be much left in portage, which has not a new ebuild? As an alternative, if your machine is not totally hosed you could start from the bottom up rebuilding the core packages and after a fresh --sync, update the whole world. Try re-emerging the gentoo toolkit: gcc-config glibc binutils libstdc++. Run # etc-update and # env-update source /etc/profile as required and rebuild portage; do another --sync; and then emerge -upDv world to see what comes up in need for an update. However, if basic compilers, etc. are broken you will not be able to re-emerge the toolkit and the solution suggested by Dave remains the best option. -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox crashes over Flash
Does anyone else's Firefox crash whenever it hits a page with Flash on it? If I start a new .mozilla folder and always choose to not download Flash, everything is fine. As soon as I download Flash, it starts crashing whenever it sees a Flash file. Flash is working fine here, although I use the flashblock extension to be able to choose what flash content I want to see. How are you installing the flash plugin? I'm using the automatic download and install via Firefox. It used to crash on only some flash, but now it's all. - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] idea about small footprint gentoo
On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 07:05 +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote: I saw a post (I think it was this list, and the following was from memory) a month or two back of someone who did just this. They installed with a past date, then ran the system for a week or so and exercised it extensively. They then did the remove everything based on atime that hadnt been touched. The result was very successful, but they did come across the odd file they had to put back. Testing after the initial delete was considerable. yeah, that was probably me (earlier on in the year at least). For the initial install, I made the date somewhere around the epoch, or somehow I altered every file on the filesystem to be this date (can't remember). Then I fixed the date and booted the system. I posted quite a few questions and findings on the mailing list and ended up with that option. It works quite well in theory, however here are some notes to help you: 1. symlinks aren't (or at least weren't in my case) picked up by the process, probably because when you access a symlink, only the date of the target appears to be altered. I had to manually copy many symlinks (which were mostly like /lib/libgcc_s.so - libgcc_s.so.1) to even get the system to boot. And the error messages threw me way off. 2. The more you want the system to do, the harder it will be. We didn't want a whole host of features (no X), in fact only really ssh, ftpd, iptables, and limited others. 3. don't delete everything you don't need, because you _will_ make a mistake. In fact, we redid the entire process a few times from scratch, to refine it more. To make it easier, make two partitions, or if your final copy will only have one disk and one partition, put in a spare disk just for the testing phase. Make an exact copy on both before you start deleting. Then you can keep going back to the full installation to get files you missed. In fact, we made the machine dual boot to both disks, just in case we wanted to test the full install versus our minimal install. 4. write down the commands that you use to find and copy the files you want, that way the second and third and subsequent times you do it, you don't have to remember. From my point of view, such a stripped system would always be classified as unstable as you never know when it will ask for a file you removed as it is just too complex to check every circumstance. I did much of the initial work to prove the concept and handed it over to someone else to turn into a reproducible system. As far as I know, we've had 3 or 4 running continuously for quite a few months now. Our particular requirement was to make a running system for a 64 Mb sandisk, with enough space left over for about 10-12 Mb of our own software. This is an embedded control system (no X), and we wanted a very similar installation on our HMI (X, gnome, and other such boggy apps :) running the same kernel so we could copy programs between them if need be. (The HMI runs a complete installation.) If you're planning on doing it in a short amount of time, think again! It won't be trivial, but the concept is at least possible. HTH, -- Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] top - 99.9% wa? What's 'wa'?
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:59:55 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: I'm looking at this mythbackend server machine using top. Sometimes the CPU usage goes to essentially 100%, but only in the 'wa' section. What is 'wa'? I searched through the man page but didn't see anything about this. Waiting. I usually see it go up during heavy disk I/O. -- Neil Bothwick You know it's going to be a bad day when you forget your new password. pgpmb3imaDAE9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] idea about small footprint gentoo
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:05:27 +0800 W.Kenworthy wrote: I saw a post (I think it was this list, and the following was from memory) a month or two back of someone who did just this. They installed with a past date, then ran the system for a week or so and exercised it extensively. They then did the remove everything based on atime that hadnt been touched. The result was very successful, but they did come across the odd file they had to put back. This seems to be the essence of the problem: if you are trying to build a router, reliability is the primary goal. For that matter it doesn't with the files that you may still have about, but which perhaps have no place on a router - ssh, maybe others. Testing after the initial delete was considerable. -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Firefox crashes over Flash
Grant wrote: Does anyone else's Firefox crash whenever it hits a page with Flash on it? If I start a new .mozilla folder and always choose to not download Flash, everything is fine. As soon as I download Flash, it starts crashing whenever it sees a Flash file. Flash is working fine here, although I use the flashblock extension to be able to choose what flash content I want to see. How are you installing the flash plugin? I'm using the automatic download and install via Firefox. It used to crash on only some flash, but now it's all. - Grant The site: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Xorg_X11_and_Transparency is your friend. Dave. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Postfix Pine incompatability
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:11:41 -0400 Willie Wong wrote: Why did you think the profane language you used was called for? The worst case scenario in these things are the other poster and I making fools out of ourselves at large when the OP replied that he doesn't see any USE flags. We only suggested that the OP look into the USE flags, it is not like we are suggesting a recompile that might possibly hose the OP's system. I have no problem with you correcting our mistakes. I have no problem with you being arrogant about it. I have no problem with you double-posting that correction just to get your point across. But I find it extremely unpleasant that you have to use offensive language while doing any of the above. Best, Sorry. My error, I was a intemperate and you didn't deserve it. I hope we can move on. -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] top - 99.9% wa? What's 'wa'?
On 9/22/05, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:59:55 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: I'm looking at this mythbackend server machine using top. Sometimes the CPU usage goes to essentially 100%, but only in the 'wa' section. What is 'wa'? I searched through the man page but didn't see anything about this. Waiting. I usually see it go up during heavy disk I/O. Thanks Neil. That's helpful. Seems strange to me that I saw a lot of 'waiting' while this one 'fireworkx' screensaver even in xscreensaver-demo. Basically I'm getting a pretty consistent 12 % CPU 42% Nice 40% Waiting It appears to me that when the screensaver burns up that much horsepower, whether it's CPU+Nice or CPU+Nice+Waiting, then mythbackend is having trouble. My first test of recording something new but making sure a low power screensaver was in effect worked just fine. Again, thanks for the info. - Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] top - 99.9% wa? What's 'wa'?
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:59:55 -0700 Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm looking at this mythbackend server machine using top. Sometimes the CPU usage goes to essentially 100%, but only in the 'wa' section. What is 'wa'? I searched through the man page but didn't see anything about this. It's described in the vmstat man page. You're supposed to be clairvoyant about these things and know that virtual memory stats is where cpu time is described. :) It's Time spent waiting for IO. The cpu can't do anything until IO is completed - typically this is some kind of DMA transfer. I'm suspecting that this machine has stopped being able to keep up with MythTV due to something using up CPU time. I found that one of my wife's screensavers (Fireworks) was using 70-90% CPU so I've turned that off and things seem much better. Now when watching top I never see anything using more than a few %, but this 'wa' thing persists. Nope, it's just slow doing IO - bottleneck in either disk to memory, video to memory, or memory to network. top - 14:51:47 up 4:19, 3 users, load average: 1.75, 1.88, 1.58 Tasks: 91 total, 2 running, 88 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1 zombie Cpu(s): 0.3% us, 0.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 97.7% wa, 0.0% hi, 1.7% si Mem:499052k total, 493560k used, 5492k free, 3140k buffers Swap: 1052216k total, 368k used, 1051848k free, 342352k cached Looks like it might help a bit to increase the systems main memory to 1 GB. It'll eliminate the swapping and will increase the available in-memory filesystem buffering. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] genkernel on sparc won't unmount initrd
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:13:38 -0600 Hani Duwaik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I've installed gentoo on an old Ultra 10. I installed the standard | 'sparc-sources' kernel (2.4.31) and tried to manually configure it, | but the kernel kept crashing on boot. So I installed genkernel and | copied the config file from the livecd. Genkernel on sparc is only supported for the purposes of livecd creation. Don't use it. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpJevyyswzba.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Postfix Pine incompatability
We've had two misleading posts on this subject, which basically only offer a guess to a question that is very easily answered! So I made a gross overlook, but why can't you be civil about it? Sorry, Willy, but for as long as Nick has been posting I would just assume he was having a bad moment and not take it so personally. But Nick, my original position was the assumption that the USE flags controlled the builds and enabled/disabled features as indicated. Up to this point I haven't read a single ebuild, and I wouldn't have thought of going there to check pine's maildir compatibility, so I'm glad you pointed that out. That being said, I've got enough on my plate already; how often is it that we should be reading ebuilds to find relevant clues to how a package is going to work when installed? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] transfer large files via samba cause system freeze
Heinz Sporn wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 22.09.2005, 16:26 +0800 schrieb Qiangning Hong: Isn't CIFS considered as a better SMBFS? It's been said. Still - do you have both SMBFS and CIFS support built into your kernel, or just CIFS? If the later is true I would include SMBFS as well and try the same thing with good old SMB as well (you may use both simultanously anyway). I add smbfs support in my kernel and tried (after change the filename to an English-only one). It works. However, as my previous mail said, using smbfs doesn't address my problem. I have plenty (~100) large files to transfer, and maybe you've guessed, they are movie files, with Chinese movie title in the filenames. And the movies directories on my winbox have also Chinese characters. If I stick in the smbfs solution, I'll have to do too many manual filename change things. So, I still prefer to find out what's wrong with my cifs and fix it. Interessting details missing: your kernel and windoze version? Linux r52 2.6.13-suspend2-r4 #4 Wed Sep 21 17:35:55 CST 2005 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux Windows XP Professional with SP2. -- Qiangning Hong http://www.hn.org/hongqn (RSS: http://feeds.feedburner.com/hongqn) Registered Linux User #396996 Get Firefox! http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesid=67907t=1 Thunderbird! http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesid=67907t=183 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Postfix Pine incompatability
Thank you to all that replied! I although it isn't resolved, I know were to turn and I'm sure I'll get it. Thank you Sean -Original Message- From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:54 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Postfix Pine incompatability On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:17:32 -0400 Dave Nebinger wrote: You're looking at the difference between an mbox-based tool (pine) and a maildir-based tool (postfix). I'm not sure if the mbox/maildir USE flags can override the default behaviour, but you could try -mbox maildir in your USE flags and re-emerge both. Where do you get the idea that pine has a mbox or maildir USE flag? It doesn't: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/Brother/UK-ENG $ emerge -pv pine These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild N] app-misc/mime-types-3 5 kB [ebuild N] mail-client/pine-4.63-r2 -debug -kerberos -largeterminal -ldap +pam -passfile +ssl 3,173 kB Total size of downloads: 3,178 kB However pine does have maildir built in, If you look at the ebuild (or read as it flashes past the screen) you will see: maildir_warn() { einfo einfo This build of Pine has Maildir support built in as einfo part of the chappa-all patch. einfo einfo If you have a maildir at ~/Maildir it will be your einfo default INBOX. The path may be changed with the einfo \maildir-location\ setting in Pine. einfo einfo To use /var/spool/mail INBOX again, set einfo \disable-these-drivers=md\ in your .pinerc file. einfo einfo Alternately, you might want to read following webpage, which explains how to einfo use multiple mailboxes simultaneously: echo echo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/pine-info/collections/incom ing-folders/ echo : Personally rather than trying to get pine to work I switched to mutt. -Original Message- From: Sean Lester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:00 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] Postfix Pine incompatability Greetings, I've installed Postfix. But when I try to use Pine as a mail client, I can't seem to read an inbox. It looks like Pine is trying to use an inbox which is a file, and Postfix delivers things as individual messages to a folder. Can I configure Pine to read messages from a folder? Or, does pine require messages appended as one file? Or, is there something I can change in Posfix? I'm flexable :-) Thank you for your time Sean -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Postfix receives OK, but won't send to internet
That's it. I didn't think the ISP would block outgoing port 25. Thanks to all that responded. Sean -Original Message- From: Bryan Whitehead [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 5:00 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Postfix receives OK, but won't send to internet Many ISP's route all outgoing port 25 traffic to a black hole (as in they drop the packets not going to their smtp servers). You just need to configure postfix to push all your mail to your ISP's mail server. On Thu, 22 Sep 2005, Sean Lester wrote: Greetings, I have a partially working Postfix installation. It delivers messages on the localhost. It'll receive messages from the internet. But, it will not send messages to any hosts on the internet. I've checked my iptables and port 25 is open both ways. Also, each error I've gotten has been that the target smtp server has Timed Out. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Postfix? Firewall? Host or Domain Name resolution? Other? Thank you for your time. Sean -- Bryan Whitehead Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Postfix Pine incompatability
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:58:06 -0400 Dave Nebinger wrote: We've had two misleading posts on this subject, which basically only offer a guess to a question that is very easily answered! So I made a gross overlook, but why can't you be civil about it? Sorry, Willy, but for as long as Nick has been posting I would just assume he was having a bad moment and not take it so personally. But Nick, my original position was the assumption that the USE flags controlled the builds and enabled/disabled features as indicated. Up to this point I haven't read a single ebuild, and I wouldn't have thought of going there to check pine's maildir compatibility, so I'm glad you pointed that out. That being said, I've got enough on my plate already; how often is it that we should be reading ebuilds to find relevant clues to how a package is going to work when installed? Look I apologise for being intemperate, lets move on. But lets also remember to be accurate in our posts. I think there is a good deal of guess the answer going on on this list, this isn't pointed at anyone in particular. So to be positive about it heres how i found the answer: 1. looked to see if there were mbox or maildir USE flags that affected the build of pine - answer NO 2. google pine maildir and discover that there are patches in circulation - answer YES 3. grep the pine ebuild for the lines with epatch and see that none seem to have any obvious connection with the term maildir - answer NO 4. grep the ebuild for the term maildir' and find what i posted. I never used to read many ebuilds, now I find its a useful step, particularly to see what effect USE flags have, what changes gentoo makes to the build, and what configuartion files of its own gentoo uses. I'm not intending this email to challenge your methodology for troubleshooting, just to point out that: a. accurate postings will raise the signal to noise ratio significantly b. reading the ebuild is a worthwhile troubleshooting step. Cheers, Nick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] recommendation: well linux-supported inkjet printers
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:17:54 -0400 John J. Foster wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 09:34:13AM -0300, Mauro Faccenda wrote: Hi all, Does anyone can recommend a well-supported inkjet printer for using with Linux? HP Deskjet 5550 works just fine I'll just weigh in here for Hewlett Packard, (although I am told that if you want highest quality digital photo prints go for epson). Quite simply HP support linux with good quality tools that are free in both senses of the word - no $ and GPL. Just chack that your printer is on the compatibilty list at http://hpinkjet.sf.net and then install hplip 0.9.5 (which you may need to get from bugs.gentoo.org. Here is a re-post of a message I sent to my local lug earlier this week: quote Regular readers will be aware that my standard answers to the which printer/multi-function device should I buy? are Hewlett Packard, HP and Hewlett Packard, mainly because of their linux support. I am further impressed now that I have upgraded from the old hpoj/hpijs drivers to the newer hplip drivers for my multi-function HP PSC 2210 printer/scanner/card reader/fax machine. hpoj required some pretty horrible command line stuff to get the printer going, very unintuitive command structure and a case of following a set of disconnected web pages. Sure it worked, but needed improvement. The new beast was easier to set up and now includes an (optional) gui. Screenshot available here: http://rout.co.nz/hp-device-mgr.png As you can see it has various panels, the first one has buttons to trigger printing (brings up a gui where you can add files then print them), scan (fires up xsane), Access photo cards (its own gui giving thumbnails and the ability to copy some or all to another directory etc). However Send fax is not yet implemented (nor was it from windows when I bought the device). The programs that are actually fired up can be configured withing the gui - ie you could bring up kooka instead of xsane for scanning. There is access to the print logs, various maintanance functions, and it tells you how much ink you have left. The functionality is also available on the command line, for example hp-levels returns a nice little summary of the ink levels. hp-photo is an ftp like client to access the photo card reader (actually not limited to photos of course, its just a regular flash card reader). All very nicely done, plus of course there are supplied PPD files so the printer can work just fine with all the normal linux printing mechanisms like cups. Whats more the icon to start the gui installed itself nicely in the gnome menu :-) I also discovered in the process how to get windows to print directly to cups, without samba being involved, so that was a nice bonus. And no, HP are not paying me to write this! /quote -- It is not unusual for those at the wrong end of the club to have a clearer picture of reality than those who wield it. Noam Chomsky -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] recommendation: well linux-supported inkjet printers
Mauro Faccenda wrote: Hi all, Does anyone can recommend a well-supported inkjet printer for using with Linux? HP or Epson. Try to stay away from Lexmark printers. -- Norberto Bensa 4544-9692 Ciudad de Buenos Aires, Argentina -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] recommendation: well linux-supported inkjet printers
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:21:56 -0300 Norberto Bensa wrote: Try to stay away from Lexmark printers. -- Ironic. IBM spin off Lexmark in 1991 IBM subsequently become big Linux supporters. Lexmark don't give a toss about linux. Such is life, thank goodness for HP. Oh and I also notice that Brother do Linux support: http://solutions.brother.com/linux/en_us/index.html Haven't fully been able to ascertain how open it is. -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] USB modem
A. Khattri wrote: On Thu, 22 Sep 2005, Michael Kintzios wrote: Googling around once you set your eyes on a particular USB modem usually provides some useful clues. Also reading /usr/src/linux/Documentation/usb/acm.txt might be useful. i found this list http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/g/gromitkc/usblist.html it is very interesting. Internet is full of resources. Unfortunately i couldn't find any of those modems, in Greece. Anyway i am not despaired yet, since in 5 days i am going to UK for studies, and i hope that ther i could something that suites me Thank you for your replies Thanasis -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] recommendation: well linux-supported inkjet printers
I agree: I have a Dell720 - a re-badged lexmark thrown in when I bought a laptop. A real pain to set up, had to get a propriety driver but is now working and windoze ipp prints to it using the adobe postscript drivers. One (and only one!) doze machine will only print greyscale tho! Unfortunately my old canon bjc620 has died (probably because I had to move to reinked cartidges - beware!) so this will have to do for the moment. Print quality is good. I also believe Dell have changed the cartidge shape so the cheaper, easier to get lexmark cartridges wont fit - though my friendly reinker says he can do them (shudder...) BillK On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 00:21 -0300, Norberto Bensa wrote: Mauro Faccenda wrote: Hi all, Does anyone can recommend a well-supported inkjet printer for using with Linux? HP or Epson. Try to stay away from Lexmark printers. -- Norberto Bensa 4544-9692 Ciudad de Buenos Aires, Argentina -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Can I do this with GNUPLOT?
On 9/22/05, Willie Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the problem needs to be specific because I have no idea what you are thinking of: So I have the following files: rate1.txt, rate2.txt, ..., rateN.txt rate1.txt has the following contents: 0 5 1 10 2 11 3 12.5 ... ... rate2.txt has the following contents: 0 15.7 1 12 2 12 3 124.5 ... ... and so on. Now, I want to plot a graph which will take the corresponding lines from each of the files and average it out: For example: If I had rate1.txt and rate2.txt, I basically wish to plot a file which looks like this 0 (5+15.7)/2 1 (10+12)/2 ... ... What I could do (and what I have done) is create a file rate.txt which averages out the values in rate1.txt, rate2.txt,... rateN.txt and then I could just plot rate.txt simply using GNUPLOT. So I was wondering if I could avoid that step and tell GNUPLOT to do the following: ``Hey GNUPLOT open files rate1.txt and rate2.txt. Let column1 in rate1.txt be $1, column2 in rate1.txt be $a and column2 in rate2.txt be $b, so plot $1 on the X axis and ($a+$b)/2 on the Y axis. Whew! Thanks for reading this! Hareesh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] netqmail-1.05 ebuild
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:23:30 -0400 Brian Downey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy Gentooers. I've created a relatively simple ebuild that strictly follows Dave Sill's Life with qmail instructions found at http:// www.lifewithqmail.org. I'd be happy if a few other folks could test it out as well. From the web page: qmail mail server software, installed and patched per http:// www.lifewithqmail.org NOTE: This ebuild breaks and differs from standard and accepted Gentoo conventions, with strict intention of following the Life With qmail installation instructions as closely as possible; but automating the process with Portage. Therefore, you may notice untypical behavior from this package (no /etc/init.d/ script, for instance). AGAIN, if you're looking for qmail done the Gentoo way, use the Gentooified qmail package included in portage; you will be happier. However, if you are a minimalist and prefer things done according to DJB himself and most of the qmail pros on the qmail mailing list, look no further. FINAL NOTE: ucspi-tcp and daemontools are installed along with netqmail in this ebuild, per the LWQ guide. You will receive blocks from portage if those packages have been installed seperately, so don't fret! The ebuild can be grabbed from here: http://briandowney.net/? page=linuxsection=gentooebuildsebuild=netqmail Hi, Some days ago added an ebuild to Bug-106642 (netqmail-1.05 actually). The intention was quite the same, have only base install (with only required essential patches included). Adding more later throu USE. But choose to keep the gentoo-style (quite fully used the qmail-1.03-r16.ebuild, some 99%) of the ebuild. Also this one's keeping gentoo's daemontools,ucspi-tcp etc packages. Thanks. Rumen pgpIbklltRBhN.pgp Description: PGP signature