[gentoo-user] Re: getting rid of gnome
Ernie Schroder wrote: [...] Yeah, Thanks Neil. After some more playing, it had become pretty clear that xscreensaver was calling for libglade. I want to keep that. I had tried removing the gst-plugins and gstreamer, but an emerge -uaDntv wanted to bring them all back. I've more or less resigned myself to the fact that I'm stuck with a few gnome packages. Try echo media-libs/gst-plugins/etc/portage/package.mask echo media-libs/gstreamer/etc/portage/package.mask After this, an emerge -uDNpvt world should show you the packages requiring for gstreamer or gst-plugins -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular.
Re: [gentoo-user] How to safely unmerge a package
Hi, Thanks a lot for the replies, I managed to get qpkg working. However, it's very interesting that I asked for a way to achieve the functionality of a deprecated tool with the current tools. Everybody explained to me how to obtain the deprecated tool, yet nobody answered to "how to do this with the new tools". So, what is the reason for qpkg is deprecated, after all? Regards, Catalin Michael Kintzios wrote: -Original Message- From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 January 2006 12:42 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] How to safely unmer5 minge a package On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:25:00 +0200, Catalin Grigoroscuta wrote: But now, qpkg does not exist anymore, and I've read it was replaced by equery. qpkg does exist, but it has been deprecated, so it is not installed into your path any more. You can move it to /usr/local/bin from its current location of /usr/share/doc/gentoolkit-version/deprecated/qpkg/qpkg Or you could link it? # ln -s /usr/share/doc/gentoolkit-version/deprecated/qpkg/qpkg /usr/bin/qpkg
Re: [gentoo-user] How to safely unmerge a package
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:08:55 +0100, Dave Jones wrote: Try installing portage-utils, which has a new version of qpkg. It is not a new version, it is a different program with the same name. qpkg seems to have disappeared from gentoolkit/bin since the latest release of portage too, so unfortunately the link solution doesn't work any more either. It is still in app-portage/gentoolkit-0.2.2_pre2 - but the link will stop working with the next version. -- Neil Bothwick Caution, an incorrigible punster - don't incorrige. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
Linux Java wrote: I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular. I use KDE. I tried Gnome and didn't like it. Some people with older/slower systems like Gnome or some other light desktops. It really isn't about what others like, it's about what you like. Install them both, login and see which you like. Me, no KDE, I'm in bad shape. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to safely unmerge a package
Paul Varner wrote: However, there are two problems with equery: 1. it disregards the use flags. equery depends package displays all packages that may depend on a package, not the ones that really do on my system. I remember seeing something in bugzilla about this issue, but is was marked as fixed, but I could not figure out in which version (I have the latest gentoolkit). Can you give me an example? I'm not sure that I understand the issue. Let's take the package gnome-extra/evolution-data-server-1.2.3. It depends on mozilla package only if the mozilla use flag is set (and ssl) - thus, you can see "ssl? ( mozilla? ( www-client/mozilla )" in the ebuild. I do not have "mozilla" use flag set, and evolution-data-server-1.2.3 is also compiled without this flag. However, when I run "equery depends mozilla", I get "gnome-extra/evolution-data-server-1.2.3". Note that "equery depgraph evolution-data-server" does not show mozilla, so this works correctly. 2. it disregards the virtual packages. According to equery, I cas safely remove xorg-x11 (!), because no one depends on it! But if I do so, all packages depending on the virtual x11 package would be broken. So, considering this, can someone point out how can I safely remove a package? That is because the packages don't depend on xorg-x11, they depend on anything the provides the functionality of X. An equery depends virtual/x11 will show all of the packages that are dependent upon X. I have noted this as a potential enhancement to have equery look at the provides information and display the dependencies of the provided virtual. I do understand that they don't depend on xorg-x11, but on the xirtual package. However, since "equery depends xorg-x11" shows nothing, I might think that it's safe to remove it - I have no way of knowing that this will break all packages that depend on x11. So, what is a potential enhancement from your point of view is really a bug from mine - it's useless to know the direct dependencies on a package if I do not know the "hidden"dependencies through virtual packages. Note that qpkg worked correctly, showing dependencies on virtual packages as well. Regards, Paul Regards, Catalin
Re: [gentoo-user] How to safely unmerge a package
Catalin Grigoroscuta wrote: Hi, Thanks a lot for the replies, I managed to get qpkg working. However, it's very interesting that I asked for a way to achieve the functionality of a deprecated tool with the current tools. Everybody explained to me how to obtain the deprecated tool, yet nobody answered to how to do this with the new tools. So, what is the reason for qpkg is deprecated, after all? Regards, Catalin I wonder the same thing about etcat. It's gone and I have no clue how to find out what versions of ppp are available. The new equery makes no sense to me. I have used it a couple times but I can not figure out how to get it to tell me what all versions are in portage for ppp. I would like to try ether a masked version or a older version, if I knew what they were. I wonder how long equery will last? I figure about the time I learn to use it a bit, it will be gone too. This has been a bad week. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware Testing a PC
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:55:23 +, Midnight Toker wrote: I'm wondering if anyone can recommend software which will put a PC through a full series of tests, including CPU, RAM, HDD... just generally thrash a machine so I know the hardware is good. Try searching Freshmeat for stress test, there are several programs to put network, CPU, I/O etc. through their paces. There's also StressLinux, a live CD containing a number of these programs. -- Neil Bothwick Captain! Sensors have detected a TagLine Thief! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Need help getting packages available.
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:26:56 -0600, Dale wrote: Me and equery are not the best of friends. What command will tell me the versions that are available, masked and all? I think it used to be etcat -v ppp and it will list them all. emerge eix update-eix eix ppp -- Neil Bothwick New: Different color from previous model. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How to safely unmerge a package
Dale wrote: Catalin Grigoroscuta wrote: Hi, Thanks a lot for the replies, I managed to get qpkg working. However, it's very interesting that I asked for a way to achieve the functionality of a deprecated tool with the current tools. Everybody explained to me how to obtain the deprecated tool, yet nobody answered to "how to do this with the new tools". So, what is the reason for qpkg is deprecated, after all? Regards, Catalin I wonder the same thing about etcat. It's gone and I have no clue how to find out what versions of ppp are available. The new equery makes no sense to me. I have used it a couple times but I can not figure out how to get it to tell me what all versions are in portage for ppp. I would like to try ether a masked version or a older version, if I knew what they were. This is an easy one :) equery l -p -o -i ppp I wonder how long equery will last? I figure about the time I learn to use it a bit, it will be gone too. This has been a bad week. Dale :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE? [OT]
quoth the Linux Java: I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular. Unscientific: Google for: kde rules -- 40,900 kde sucks -- 9,660 gnome rules -- 554 gnome sucks -- 10,500 Draw your own conclusions. -d -- darren kirby :: Part of the problem since 1976 :: http://badcomputer.org ...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected... - Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972 pgpcQiaVG3X6F.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
I use KDE. I tried Gnome and didn't like it. Some people with Me too. I've given Gnome a try several times (the latest on a recent Ubuntu Live CD, and I just don't like the whole look and feel as much as KDE, which is great IMHO. -- Ant... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to safely unmerge a package
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:10:20 +0200, Catalin Grigoroscuta wrote: However, it's very interesting that I asked for a way to achieve the functionality of a deprecated tool with the current tools. Everybody explained to me how to obtain the deprecated tool, yet nobody answered to how to do this with the new tools. Because some things are easier to do with qpkg than equery. So, what is the reason for qpkg is deprecated, after all? I suppose that's the reason it is deprecated and not obsoleted. Once equery and others can do all that qpkg does, it can be obsoleted. -- Neil Bothwick Dew knot trussed yore spell chequer two fined awl mistakes. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How to safely unmerge a package
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:23:57 +0200, Catalin Grigoroscuta wrote: That is because the packages don't depend on xorg-x11, they depend on anything the provides the functionality of X. An equery depends virtual/x11 will show all of the packages that are dependent upon X. I have noted this as a potential enhancement to have equery look at the provides information and display the dependencies of the provided virtual. I do understand that they don't depend on xorg-x11, but on the xirtual package. However, since equery depends xorg-x11 shows nothing, I might think that it's safe to remove it - I have no way of knowing that this will break all packages that depend on x11. One could argue that virtual/x11 depends on xorg-x11, unless another X server is also installed. -- Neil Bothwick I am McCoy of Bo...Damnit! I'm a doctor, not a collective! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:10:13 +0800, Linux Java wrote: I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular. Why? Use whatever suits you. If you want to use the most popular desktop, you probably need WinXP :) -- Neil Bothwick Everything takes longer than expected, even when you take into account Hoffstead's Law. - Hoffstead's Law signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How to safely unmerge a package
Catalin Grigoroscuta wrote: This is an easy one :) equery l -p -o -i ppp Thanks. It wasn't quite what etcat does but it is a start. I got the info I needed anyway. Now to go put my nose in the manual for a bit. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:10:13 +0800, Linux Java wrote: I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular. Why? Use whatever suits you. If you want to use the most popular desktop, you probably need WinXP :) Which really sucks by the way. LOL It's worse than Gnome. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Need help getting packages available.
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:26:56 -0600, Dale wrote: Me and equery are not the best of friends. What command will tell me the versions that are available, masked and all? I think it used to be etcat -v ppp and it will list them all. emerge eix update-eix eix ppp That was pretty cool too. It looks like I have the latest. I'm not sure how to fix this problem now. Maybe I need to back up a version and try it. Still wish I had etcat though. :-( Thanks Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to safely unmerge a package
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 03:25:18 -0600, Dale wrote: I wonder the same thing about etcat. It's gone It's not gone, it's moved - to the same place as qpkg. -- Neil Bothwick The world is coming to an end... SAVE YOUR BUFFERS!! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
to get the most out of kde run the following commands :emerge -C kdeemerge gnome-lite:Pok flame awayOn 1/20/06, Ryan Viljoen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I use Fluxbox but have been experimenting with KDE 3.5. I must say Ireally like it however it is not the complete KDE I emerged all theapps that I use and then emerged kdebase so I have the very very basicKDE system without all the other rubbish and bloatware that you get. KDE detects all my installed software and sorts out the menu and all.Fluxbox for speed and simplicity and KDE for eyecandy (can lag a bit).I despise gnome, I find it to be particularly backwards and I have not found a nice looking gnome desktop as of yet compared to soem of theKDE and fluxbox desktops around.Anyway my 2cents.--Ryan Viljoen Bsc(Eng) (Electrical)Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable. - Mark Twain--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
Anthony Roy skrev: I use KDE. I tried Gnome and didn't like it. Some people with Me too. I've given Gnome a try several times (the latest on a recent Ubuntu Live CD, and I just don't like the whole look and feel as much as KDE, which is great IMHO. -- Ant... I prefer Gnome, but KDE has some nice elements as well. Use what works best for you. The look and feel of Gnome is what I like the most. I'm only lacking some more advanced configuration options. KDE however has some nifty things, and I've considered installing it on my own system, even though I prefer to have only one DE (well apart from those I test, like EDE and Gnustep). -Kristian Poul Herkild -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Proxy server related issue
First off I have very little knowledge on best practises regarding where servers should be located and such. I set up a proxy server at home which acts as a firewall/router and all other little things. In doing so I found the following guides and how to's rather helpful: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/home-router-howto.xml http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/security/index.xml http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_setup_a_home-server For some reason I would put the mail server behind the proxy server and have the firewall on the proxy server forward any packets on the mail ports to the mail server. Though something along the lines of this is discussed in the Security Guide. -- Ryan Viljoen Bsc(Eng) (Electrical) Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable. - Mark Twain -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
Ryan Viljoen wrote: I use Fluxbox but have been experimenting with KDE 3.5. I must say I really like it however it is not the complete KDE I emerged all the apps that I use and then emerged kdebase so I have the very very basic KDE system without all the other rubbish and bloatware that you get. KDE detects all my installed software and sorts out the menu and all. Fluxbox for speed and simplicity and KDE for eyecandy (can lag a bit). I despise gnome, I find it to be particularly backwards and I have not found a nice looking gnome desktop as of yet compared to soem of the KDE and fluxbox desktops around. Anyway my 2cents. -- Ryan Viljoen Bsc(Eng) (Electrical) Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable. - Mark Twain I must admit, I tried Fluxbox a long time ago. Even on this fast rig, AMD2500+, it was nice and fast. I just like KDE and all the eye candy. I have a slide show for my desktop. Love my ladies. LOL That fluxbox sure is fast. It would be great for a slow rig, 400MHz or less. Would make a good light desktop for a noobie on a server since it is so light. I like you did not like Gnome at all. Maybe if I had a slower rig. I ran KDE on a 400MHz machine before, bloated Mandrake at that. LOL Each his/her own. Dale :-) I can't believe I just connected and I can send email with Mozilla. If my connection would just speed up a bit. o_O -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
Paul wrote: to get the most out of kde run the following commands : emerge -C kde emerge gnome-lite :P ok flame away cough cough Can we assume you don't like KDE? LOL No flames here. I'm to pissed at kppp at the moment. I can only get mad at one thing/person at a time. o_O Cool huh? Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
my findings with KDE is that its bloadwareif I wanted bloat , I'd run windowsGnome-lite is just that , lightIt serves my purposes fine and the menus are easy to edit to my liking. On 1/20/06, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul wrote: to get the most out of kde run the following commands : emerge -C kde emerge gnome-lite :P ok flame away cough cough Can we assume you don't like KDE?LOLNo flames here.I'm to pissed at kppp at the moment.I can only getmad at one thing/person at a time.o_OCool huh?Dale:-) --gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On Friday 20 January 2006 12:11, Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:10:13 +0800, Linux Java wrote: I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular. Why? Use whatever suits you. If you want to use the most popular desktop, you probably need WinXP :) Which really sucks by the way. LOL It's worse than Gnome. Dale :-) hold on, theres coming soon more evil Win Vista lol im with KDE and XFCE and almost all Gnome as dependency for gnucash m -- Linux 2.6.15-ck2 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ 14:16:56 up 14:25, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.03, 0.03 pgpYE02uqRHAu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Proxy server related issue
Thanks, Ryan. I'll look trough the info you sent. askar On 1/20/06, Ryan Viljoen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off I have very little knowledge on best practises regarding where servers should be located and such. I set up a proxy server at home which acts as a firewall/router and all other little things. In doing so I found the following guides and how to's rather helpful: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/home-router-howto.xml http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/security/index.xml http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_setup_a_home-server For some reason I would put the mail server behind the proxy server and have the firewall on the proxy server forward any packets on the mail ports to the mail server. Though something along the lines of this is discussed in the Security Guide. -- Ryan Viljoen Bsc(Eng) (Electrical) Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable. - Mark Twain -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:37:57 +0200, Paul wrote: to get the most out of kde run the following commands : emerge -C kde emerge gnome-lite :P ok flame away For what, pushing GNOME or top posting with full quotes? -- Neil Bothwick Oops. My brain just hit a bad sector. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:00:51 +0200, Paul wrote: my findings with KDE is that its bloadware if I wanted bloat , I'd run windows Gnome-lite is just that , light So a small part of GNOME is less bloated than all of KDE? That's a revelation! -- Neil Bothwick Life Support System Failure - Reboot Patient (Y/n)? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Port scan
Hello Jean, What about using PortSentry to check on Port Scanning? $emerge -av portsentry Best Regards Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek) Jean Blignaut wrote: I've just been notified by some one that they are being port scanned by one of the ips on one of our production gentoo servers I don't see any evidence of this when I look at iptraf but I realize that that may not be the best way to check. Does any one have suggestions about what I can check for? Regards Jean Blignaut -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] X ?
Probably placeholders for character codes invalid in currently selected encoding? i have this in AmaroK: http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5130/xisaretleri8yh.png http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5130/xisaretleri8yh.png and this in Kontact: http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1793/kontactxleri9xu.png http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1793/kontactxleri9xu.png so do you have any idea about what are these X signs? :) and how can i remove them? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
Am Freitag, 20. Januar 2006 13:00 schrieb ext Paul: my findings with KDE is that its bloadware if I wanted bloat , I'd run windows I've heard rumours there are split ebuilds for KDE *SCNR* Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net pgpgRazcuvRvG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
Couldnt resist adding my 2p I prefer to spend my configuring time ie. admin on the Big picture eg. setting up mail, apache, firewall, ... For the little things eg. desktop background one click icons to start daily apps and so on I am happy to let others give me a pleasent default. So what this means for me is that I sort configs in a text editor of choice [Vim] and let the KDE team do all the rest for me. I have learnt that no matter how much you think you know about linux there are always 10 levels of detail lower that you dont know so spend time on the things you really care about rather than editing a long config in order to gain a font in a light window manager. for example, I want to download the latest Gentoo live CD via bittorrent [save the good peoples bandwidth] do I a) Go for a console bittornado client and spend some time learning the various flags/switchs in order to do this. b) Have a ready GUI client in KDE that is start, paste, wait. No thought required. Prehaps not a great example but the principle is there . Anyway long and short of this is that KDE fully bloated for me :] stu ps. I have noticed that on average with KDE running plus bagful of usual apps and daemons I have around 130 process's running with Gnome it used to be around 160, may not mean much I guess but just a small observation. pps.. oo oo forgot to say, nautilus chews the horses and knonqueror is lovely [even if I can never spell it correctly :P ] On 20/01/06, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:00:51 +0200, Paul wrote: my findings with KDE is that its bloadware if I wanted bloat , I'd run windows Gnome-lite is just that , light So a small part of GNOME is less bloated than all of KDE? That's a revelation! -- Neil Bothwick Life Support System Failure - Reboot Patient (Y/n)? -- There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary, those who don't --Unknown -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Port scan
Any tips on how to use portsentry? -Original Message- From: Jesus Rivero [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:11 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Port scan Hello Jean, What about using PortSentry to check on Port Scanning? $emerge -av portsentry Best Regards Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek) Jean Blignaut wrote: I've just been notified by some one that they are being port scanned by one of the ips on one of our production gentoo servers I don't see any evidence of this when I look at iptraf but I realize that that may not be the best way to check. Does any one have suggestions about what I can check for? Regards Jean Blignaut -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
quoth the Paul: my findings with KDE is that its bloadware Right. It takes code to make software usable ;) if I wanted bloat , I'd run windows You seem to be implying that the only problem with windows is its size... Gnome-lite is just that , light So is fat-free ice cream, but I wouldn't eat it. Too brackish. It serves my purposes fine and the menus are easy to edit to my liking. Then stick with it. Interestingly, that is 2 reasons why I use KDE. -d -- darren kirby :: Part of the problem since 1976 :: http://badcomputer.org ...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected... - Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972 pgpgFBzC0iBgm.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] problems removing a package
Ive been trying to install horde and it keeps saying: [blocks B ] dev-lang/php (is blocking dev-php/mod_php-4.4.0-r9) [blocks B ] dev-lang/php (is blocking dev-php/php-4.4.0-r4) when i try to remove it i get: mail ~ # emerge unmerge dev-lang/php --- Couldn't find dev-lang/php to unmerge. unmerge: No packages selected for removal. so its like the package isnt in stalled but emerge thinks it is. what else can i do to get horde installed and get php removed? TIA Nick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing KDE...Again....
On 1/19/06, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I want, is to end up with kde 3.4.3 (only) installed, without arts. I would first like to unmerge both 3.5 and 3.4.1, but as I used the split ebuilds Im not sure how How about: cd /var/db/pkg for x in kde-base/*-3.5*; do emerge --unmerge $x done That will get the main packages. Then you can do: equery belongs `find /usr/kde/3.5 -type f | head -n 1` emerge --unmerge package name from above command The above will find one non-KDE (by which I mean not part of the KDE 3.5 release) and unmerge it. Repeat the above commands until no more files remain in /usr/kde/3.5. You may want to keep a list of these packages to re-merge with kde 3.4. For the 3.4.1 KDE, don't worry about it, as the 3.4.3 packages will overwrite them. You cannot have both 3.4.1 and 3.4.3 installed at the same time. BTW, why do want to do this? Why not just keep 3.5? -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On 1/20/06, Linux Java [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular. Linus recommends you use KDE. http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2005-December/000390.html -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing KDE...Again....
Thanks for the help!I want to get rid of 3.5 because of incompatabilities with my mouse (through ksynaptics)and themes. Ill probably install it again when 3.5.1 is out or something. :)Ian On 1/20/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/19/06, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I want, is to end up with kde 3.4.3 (only) installed, without arts.I would first like to unmerge both 3.5 and 3.4.1, but as I used the splitebuilds Im not sure howHow about:cd /var/db/pkgfor x in kde-base/*-3.5*; doemerge --unmerge $xdoneThat will get the main packages.Then you can do: equery belongs `find /usr/kde/3.5 -type f | head -n 1`emerge --unmerge package name from above commandThe above will find one non-KDE (by which I mean not part of the KDE3.5 release) and unmerge it.Repeat the above commands until no more files remain in /usr/kde/3.5.You may want to keep a list of thesepackages to re-merge with kde 3.4.For the 3.4.1 KDE, don't worry about it, as the 3.4.3 packages willoverwrite them.You cannot have both 3.4.1 and 3.4.3 installed at thesame time.BTW, why do want to do this?Why not just keep 3.5?-Richard--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Cheers,Ian
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
Neil Bothwick schreef: On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:10:13 +0800, Linux Java wrote: I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular. Why? Use whatever suits you. I hope that you all appreciate my extreme restraint in not posting to this thread until now, given how very much I dislike KDE. But for the record, just so that all you KDE-heads don't skew the results com*plete*ly: I always (from my first attempts at Linux some 3 years ago) preferred GNOME to KDE. Never liked Nautilus, though (it's tied for second on my list of most hated file managers), and since I've never been fond of desktop icons and all that cr... junk... I still found it too heavy. So I switched to Openbox 3 (with a GTK backend), and now I use fvwm-crystal (with a GTK backend). Gnome-light is (always) installed, but I don't use it as a desktop. I have only two KDE-specific applications that I would not do without (both compiled -kde and -arts to the greatest extent possible): Krusader (though this needs Konq and some other KDE utils for best usage, as it recognizes KDE apps much much better than GTK apps for viewing files and the like), and K3b. These apps require kdebase, so I've got that, but the day you see me logging into KDE, you can rest assured that either: 1) my system is so seriously broke that it's the only DE/WM I can get into (which is pretty unlikely. I mean, I've got iceWM and *afterstep* on the system, for Pete's sake; the day that doesn't work but KDE does will be... The day); or 2) I have been replaced by an alien clone (shoot first, ask questions later). I prefer to use GTK-based applications wherever possible because I find them more attractive in general, and I'm more used to them (as a GNOME user originally), unless they're junk, like Totem, in which case I use non-affiliated programs like Xine or mPlayer. Yes, I know Totem can be configured to use a Xine backend. Imo, there's no point; if that's the only way Totem works, I might as well just use Xine. Plus I want to see when gStreamer gets its act together. However I have no objection to QT-based apps (as opposed to KDE apps) when necessary. It does need to be necessary, though (meaning, if I need it, I'll install qdvdauthor, because there's no GTK alternative that I know of, but I can just as well use the CLI original, unless the GUI version has some additional feature or makes it easier to understand than the CLI version's man page). So anyway, Neil is of course right: use what you want; it's *your* desktop (finally!). I don't need a whole lot of GUI features (in fact I dislike a whole lot of GUI features), so KDE is not for me, the one who never liked Windows(-like) desktops, even when I was using Windows; I used an alternative shell from my Win98 days on. But for those who feel more comfortable with a more Windows-like environment, and Windows-like assumptions about what a user wants/needs from their desktop, KDE may be just the thing; that is, after all, what it's designed to do to a great extent. You can have it, though. I'll be elsewhere. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 04:11 -0600, Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:10:13 +0800, Linux Java wrote: I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular. Why? Use whatever suits you. If you want to use the most popular desktop, you probably need WinXP :) Which really sucks by the way. LOL It's worse than Gnome. Dale :-) My wife and I use GNOME. KDE is too Windows-like for us. I can't stand Windows XP. I think it's the most annoying OS I've ever attempted to use... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:17:43 -0700, Richard Fish wrote Linus recommends you use KDE. http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2005-December/000390.html -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Yup, and that's because he can't do what _he_ wants to. His complaints have been acknowledged to some extent. I agree with him in his criticism, but I still prefer Gnome. I lack the more advanced options, but the rest of Gnome is still to my liking. Personally I still believe using the DE which is best for you, is the best choice you can make. Be it Gnome, XFCE, EDE, KDE or whatever ;) The best DE would probably be a combination. Based on the IDs of mail applications used in gentoo-user I think KDE is the most used DE. 55% KDE vs. 35% Gnome seems realistic to me. Kristian Poul Herkild -- No patents on software! Copyright is no right! -- Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware Testing a PC
Neil, Thank you, looks like this could be the thing i'm looking for. Midnightoker. On 20 Jan 2006, at 09:26, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:55:23 +, Midnight Toker wrote: I'm wondering if anyone can recommend software which will put a PC through a full series of tests, including CPU, RAM, HDD... just generally thrash a machine so I know the hardware is good. Try searching Freshmeat for stress test, there are several programs to put network, CPU, I/O etc. through their paces. There's also StressLinux, a live CD containing a number of these programs. -- Neil Bothwick Captain! Sensors have detected a TagLine Thief! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] SATA Hardware vs Software RAID
O 13:33 Thu 19 Jan , Brett I. Holcomb wrote: I'm moving from SCSI to SATA and was wondering if anyone has any experience with the speed of software RAID vs hardware RAID. I'm currently using hardware RAID. I've have two Western Digital Raptor WD740GD 74GB 10,000 RPM 8MB Cache Serial ATA150, set up in a software RAID0. My hdparm gives me: /dev/md0: Timing cached reads: 2776 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1387.91 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 398 MB in 3.00 seconds = 132.48 MB/sec For redundancy I use backups to a Seagate Barracuda 7200.8 ST3300831AS 300GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive. Blazing speed with the raptors, lower speed, lower cost for the backups. Good luck. Bill Roberts pgpBOvMMTTbz5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] problems removing a package
On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 08:47 -0500, Nick Smith wrote: Ive been trying to install horde and it keeps saying: [blocks B ] dev-lang/php (is blocking dev-php/mod_php-4.4.0-r9) [blocks B ] dev-lang/php (is blocking dev-php/php-4.4.0-r4) when i try to remove it i get: mail ~ # emerge unmerge dev-lang/php --- Couldn't find dev-lang/php to unmerge. unmerge: No packages selected for removal. so its like the package isnt in stalled but emerge thinks it is. what else can i do to get horde installed and get php removed? TIA Nick Welcome to the club. Refer to last night's thread Blocking weirdness. There is a link there for upgrading PHP which is supposed to fix this, however I'm waiting on revdep-rebuild to finish so that I can open mozilla before I can try it... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware Testing a PC
On Jan 20, 2006, at 8:47 AM, Midnight Toker wrote: Neil, Thank you, looks like this could be the thing i'm looking for. Midnightoker. me, too, just hadn't gotten around to asking :) On 20 Jan 2006, at 09:26, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:55:23 +, Midnight Toker wrote: I'm wondering if anyone can recommend software which will put a PC through a full series of tests, including CPU, RAM, HDD... just generally thrash a machine so I know the hardware is good. Try searching Freshmeat for stress test, there are several programs to put network, CPU, I/O etc. through their paces. There's also StressLinux, a live CD containing a number of these programs. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Packages list
Phil Sexton wrote: Felipe Ribeiro wrote: Where do I find the list with all installed packages? Cheers, Felipe The ones you emerged are listed in the file: /var/lib/portage/world Want it in alphabetical order? cat /var/lib/portage/world|less Isn't that a superfluous use of cat? Why not less /var/lib/portage/world -Mike -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] OT - Mozilla: Bug or problem with MY system
I upgraded to mozilla-1.7.12-r2 last night. Now when I try to start mozilla, I get this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ mozilla No running windows found Type Manifest File: /usr/lib/mozilla/components/xpti.dat nsNativeComponentLoader: autoregistering begins. nsNativeComponentLoader: autoregistering succeeded nNCL: registering deferred (0) GFX: dpi=96 t2p=0.067 p2t=15 depth=16 ++WEBSHELL == 1 ++DOMWINDOW == 1 LoadPlugin() /opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so returned 80d95b0 GetMIMEDescription() returned application/x-java-vm::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.1::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.1::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.2::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.3::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.2::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.1::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.2::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.3::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.3.1::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.4::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.1::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;version=1.4.2::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2_01::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2_02::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2_03::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2_04::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2_05::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2_06::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2_07::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2_08::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2_09::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2_10::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.1::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.1::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.2::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.3::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.2::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.1::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.2::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.3::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.3.1::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.4::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.1::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;version=1.4.2::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.4.2::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.4.2_01::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.4.2_02::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.4.2_03::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.4.2_04::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.4.2_05::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.4.2_06::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.4.2_07::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.4.2_08::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.4.2_09::Java(tm) Plug-in;application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.4.2_10::Java(tm) Plug-in LoadPlugin() /opt/netscape/plugins/libflashplayer.so returned 81c3450 GetMIMEDescription() returned application/x-shockwave-flash:swf:Shockwave Flash;application/futuresplash:spl:FutureSplash Player LoadPlugin() /opt/netscape/plugins/nphelix.so returned 81af9f0 GetMIMEDescription() returned audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin:rpm:RealPlayer Plugin Metafile;For application/x-java-vm found plugin /opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so LoadPlugin() /opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so returned 80d95b0 ++WEBSHELL == 2 ++DOMWINDOW == 2 Note: styleverifytree is disabled Note: frameverifytree is disabled WARNING: freetype not compiled in, file nsFT2FontNode.cpp, line 52 Note: verifyreflow is disabled ++WEBSHELL == 3 ++DOMWINDOW == 3 /usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/mozilla/components/libgfx_gtk.so: undefined symbol: pango_x_font_map_for_display mozilla-bin exited with non-zero status (127) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ I need to know if this is something I need to report to bugs.gentoo.org, or if it's something I can fix locally; If I can fix it locally, how do I do it? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Kppp and two different accounts
Dale wrote:
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Can someone tell me where in the world this is stored? This is nuts. I
couldn't change ISPs even if I wanted to since it works this way. I
would have to reinstall looks like. That sounds like winders.
Try:
find directory -name '*' -exec fgrep -l search phrase \{\} \;
This search all files for the search phrase.
I would search /etc, /var, and /home first using your password as the
search phrase. If no go, then vary the directories and search phrase.
Tony
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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing KDE...Again....
3.5 is still keyworded, iirc. If you remove kde from /etc/packages.keyword, it should install 3.4.3. This command will insert a # before each kde line. (It also makes a backup). sed -i.bak s/kde-/\#\ kde-/ /etc/portage/package.keywords KDE is slotted, and I'm not sure what happens when you re-keyword-mask something slotted that you've emerged, but it will probably try to unmerge 3.5 -- That's what you want, right? You might also consider putting kde-base/arts into /etc/portage/package.mask . Not sure what that'll break, but it might Just Work (TM). Peace, Mike Ian wrote: Hey everyone. Here is my situation. Its a rather long one: I want to get kde 3.4.3 without arts. At all. I am hoping to go USE=-arts +alsa emerge =kde-3.4.3 That seems easy, but it isn't. I already have 3.4.1 installed. As well as 3.5.0. I think I used the split ebuild thing (grrr) which involved using a loop-style bash script to put a lot into /etc/portage/package.keywords for 3.4.1. I think I just used emerge kde to get 3.5. What I want, is to end up with kde 3.4.3 (only) installed, without arts. I would first like to unmerge both 3.5 and 3.4.1, but as I used the split ebuilds Im not sure how Any and all help would be very much appreciated. Also, Please dont try and convince me to just use GNOME or *box or something. I love KDE and I hate arts. :) I did a search for kde stuff (emerge search kde) and it seemed kinna weird. I wont post it as it is huge. Unless, of course you want to see it. Thanks a lot! Cheers, Ian -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:37:47 -0600, Michael Sullivan wrote: My wife and I use GNOME. KDE is too Windows-like for us. I always thought Windows was rather KDE-like in some ways, but that's probably because I used KDE before windows. -- Neil Bothwick Any sufficiently advanced bug is indistinguishable from a feature. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
My wife and I use KDE. I, mainly because I don't see the point in having multiple GUIs (they're not that facinating to me (other than to get into the source code), but for my wife, I find that for someone coming from using Windows, it seems that out of the box, KDE seems to have a stronger appeal to her than Gnome. Although, the environment she really took to was XFCE (though it's not a choice in this discussion). In looking at Holly's post, I'm inclined to agree. Being that most of the stuff I do (besides surf the net), but things like programming, moving files, your general admin stuff, configuration changes, etc I (like most of us here --probably) do from a command-line. My selling point for the command-line is I don't have to learn any new menus to use it ;), but to each his own. ShawnOn 1/20/06, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neil Bothwick schreef: On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:10:13 +0800, Linux Java wrote: I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular. Why? Use whatever suits you.I hope that you all appreciate my extreme restraint in not posting to this thread until now, given how very much I dislike KDE.But for the record, just so that all you KDE-heads don't skew theresults com*plete*ly:I always (from my first attempts at Linux some 3 years ago) preferred GNOME to KDE. Never liked Nautilus, though (it's tied for second on mylist of most hated file managers), and since I've never been fond ofdesktop icons and all that cr... junk... I still found it too heavy. So I switched to Openbox 3 (with a GTK backend), and now I use fvwm-crystal(with a GTK backend). Gnome-light is (always) installed, but I don'tuse it as a desktop.I have only two KDE-specific applications that I would not do without (both compiled -kde and -arts to the greatest extent possible): Krusader(though this needs Konq and some other KDE utils for best usage, as itrecognizes KDE apps much much better than GTK apps for viewing files and the like), and K3b. These apps require kdebase, so I've got that, butthe day you see me logging into KDE, you can rest assured that either:1) my system is so seriously broke that it's the only DE/WM I can get into (which is pretty unlikely. I mean, I've got iceWM and *afterstep*on the system, for Pete's sake; the day that doesn't work but KDE doeswill be... The day);or2) I have been replaced by an alien clone (shoot first, ask questions later).I prefer to use GTK-based applications wherever possible because I findthem more attractive in general, and I'm more used to them (as a GNOMEuser originally), unless they're junk, like Totem, in which case I use non-affiliated programs like Xine or mPlayer. Yes, I know Totem can beconfigured to use a Xine backend. Imo, there's no point; if that's theonly way Totem works, I might as well just use Xine. Plus I want to see when gStreamer gets its act together. However I have no objection toQT-based apps (as opposed to KDE apps) when necessary. It does need tobe necessary, though (meaning, if I need it, I'll install qdvdauthor, because there's no GTK alternative that I know of, but I can just aswell use the CLI original, unless the GUI version has some additionalfeature or makes it easier to understand than the CLI version's man page). So anyway, Neil is of course right: use what you want; it's *your*desktop (finally!). I don't need a whole lot of GUI features (in fact Idislike a whole lot of GUI features), so KDE is not for me, the one who never liked Windows(-like) desktops, even when I was using Windows; Iused an alternative shell from my Win98 days on. But for those who feelmore comfortable with a more Windows-like environment, and Windows-like assumptions about what a user wants/needs from their desktop, KDE may bejust the thing; that is, after all, what it's designed to do to a greatextent.You can have it, though. I'll be elsewhere. Holly--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list-- Shawn Singh
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - Mozilla: Bug or problem with MY system
On 2006-01-20 09:03 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/mozilla/components/libgfx_gtk.so: undefined symbol: pango_x_font_map_for_display mozilla-bin exited with non-zero status (127) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ Have you tried a revdep-rebuild (comes in gentoolkit)? -- Michael Kjörling, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://michael.kjorling.com/ * ASCII Ribbon Campaign: Against HTML Mail, Proprietary Attachments * * . No bird soars too high if he soars with his own wings . * pgpDBeuyl6Kip.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular. Linus recommends you use KDE. http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2005-December/000390.html I've been using KDE for years but switched to Gnome recently. Though I'm still using Kate. It's a matter of taste. Try them both. You'll probably find KDE more flexible and Gnome more responsive and better integrated with other open source projects out there. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - Mozilla: Bug or problem with MY system
On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 15:35 +, Michael Kjorling wrote: On 2006-01-20 09:03 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/mozilla/components/libgfx_gtk.so: undefined symbol: pango_x_font_map_for_display mozilla-bin exited with non-zero status (127) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ Have you tried a revdep-rebuild (comes in gentoolkit)? Yeah. It repaired evolution-webcal and gaim, but that was it. I'm currently running it again, just in case... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: How many people use KDE?
Linux Java linuxjava at gmail.com writes: I wanna to know KDE and Gnome which is more popular. Well Hello Linux-Java, I'll attempt to give you some non-subjective reasons for KDE. Let me start out by saying, depending on what you are doing and what are your key applications, Gnome might be good for you. It's an excellent body of work. However, hear are some of the reasons I like KDE, not that all of these ideas are exclusive to KDE: QT. As an engineer involved in embeddded product development, nothing is close to being as cool as QT. QT is a corner stone of KDE, so when I have to drill down into the morass of details concerning display graphics, icons, etc, KDE's affinity for QT is similar, only much more complex, than many of the graphical technologies installed on embedded systems. I believe that the future of GUIs will necessitate that one's desktop environment be at least a cousin to the embedded devices one is responsible for building and managing. QT's future looks bright. JAVA: Unlike many linux folks, I believe that JAVA has a primary role in the future of GUIs, applications, and many other aspects of computing. I like the integration of KDE/QT/JAVA that the kde camps sees and continues to enhance, for example: http://developer.kde.org/language-bindings/java/ Again, I'm not saying you cannot find these equivalents in Gnome, but KDE fits my needs keenly. The real kicker is that KDE 4.0 is suppose to be fantastic. HTH, James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
my findings with KDE is that its bloadware if I wanted bloat , I'd run windows Gnome-lite is just that , light It serves my purposes fine and the menus are easy to edit to my liking. Ah! What gnome-lite is for gnome is what kdebase is for KDE. emerge kdebase doesnt install all the rest of the crap. All it gives you is the base KDE environment with your preinstalled programs such as xine, mplayer, Eterm, Ajunta, The Gimp, gThumb et al works really nicely. Otherwise I whole heartedly agree that emerge gnome-lite is much better then emerge KDE (full complete). This is Gentoo... YOU HAVE THE POWER TO CHOOSE! :D -- Ryan Viljoen Bsc(Eng) (Electrical) Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable. - Mark Twain -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: getting rid of gnome
Ernie Schroder wrote: On Thursday 19 January 2006 12:39, a tiny voice compelled Neil Bothwick to write: On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:30:52 -0500, Ernie Schroder wrote: Calculating world dependencies ...done! [nomerge ] media-plugins/gst-plugins-alsa-0.8.10 [nomerge ] media-libs/gst-plugins-0.8.10 +alsa -debug +esd +oss [ebuild N] gnome-base/gconf-2.10.1-r1 -debug -doc -static 0 kB [ebuild N]gnome-base/orbit-2.12.3 -debug -doc +ssl -static 0 kB [nomerge ] x11-misc/xscreensaver-4.23 -gnome -insecure-savers +jpeg -kerberos -krb4 -new-login +nls -offensive +opengl +pam -xinerama [ebuild N] gnome-base/libglade-2.5.1 -debug -doc 0 kB Could this be a result of firefox-bin and openoffice-bin being built with gnome support? How would portage know that? I don't understand the gst-plugins connection either. gst-plugins depends on gconf, xscreensaver depends on libglade. These are unconditional dependencies, nothing to do with USE flags. The only way to get rid of the dependencies is the get rid of the dependent packages. GNOME libraries are not only used by GNOME, so you'll find them on most desktop systems. Yeah, Thanks Neil. After some more playing, it had become pretty clear that xscreensaver was calling for libglade. I want to keep that. I had tried removing the gst-plugins and gstreamer, but an emerge -uaDntv wanted to bring them all back. I've more or less resigned myself to the fact that I'm stuck with a few gnome packages. A quick glance at my profile reveals the 'gstreamer' USE flag in make.defaults. Be sure that you have that explicitly disabled in make.conf before giving up. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] trouble with CUPS
Hello everybody, According to the Gentoo Printing Guide - Installing the Printer, I'm to go to http://localhost:631 and then click on Administration. Well, there's Do Administrative Tasks, so I clicked on that. The guide says to enter root login and password into the box but the box only asks for username. Whatever, I tried them both. All that happens is that the a new blank box opens and asks me to enter the info again and so on and so on. Yes, cups is emerged and cupsd is started. Anybody else encountered this? An attempt at printing returned this error to the log: ... I [20/Jan/2006:08:18:28 -0700] Listening to 0:631 I [20/Jan/2006:08:18:28 -0700] Loaded configuration file /etc/cups/cupsd.conf I [20/Jan/2006:08:18:28 -0700] Configured for up to 100 clients. I [20/Jan/2006:08:18:28 -0700] Allowing up to 100 client connections per host. I [20/Jan/2006:08:18:28 -0700] Full reload is required. I [20/Jan/2006:08:18:28 -0700] LoadPPDs: Read /etc/cups/ppds.dat, 13 PPDs... I [20/Jan/2006:08:18:28 -0700] LoadPPDs: No new or changed PPDs... I [20/Jan/2006:08:18:28 -0700] Full reload complete. E [20/Jan/2006:08:18:28 -0700] StartListening: Unable to find IP address for ser ver name sarawak - Host name lookup failure (END) The server name I just made up cause the Gentoo install docs suggested I have one. Do I actually have to call it localhost in order for printing to work?! According to cupsd.conf HostNameLookups defaults to 'off'. Am I a victim of anti-dialup discrimination? :-( Oh, the humanity! And can somebody explain the need to use http to set up a printer on one's own computer? Afterall PC *does* mean personal computer. I'm assuming that localhost:631 is on my own machine. But even so it seems a bit much. -mw __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] vim USE flag: vim-with-x
I've been trying to determine what this particular USE flag does but there doesn't seem to be a description of it anywhere (I also checked gentoo-portage.com). Does anyone know what this USE flag does or what additional functionality it enables in vim? Thanks in advance for your help. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: OT - How to stop spamassassin marking mail from gentoo-user (and other mailing lists) as spam
On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 11:09 -0600, Michael Sullivan wrote: I set up spamassassin the other day. I've added a few of my own rules, targeted at the specific spam we usually get here. I've set up procmail to filter mail spamassassin has marked to a special spam filter to be later reviewed for legitimacy. I've added '140.105.134.' to the trusted_networks variable at the top of /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf, yet gentoo-user posts coming in to my network sometimes go to my Inbox and sometimes to my Spam folder. How do I get it to leave my Gentoo mail alone? I guess I'm a little slow today. Let me answer my own question. I can put a rule in local.cf for gentoo-user and give it a negative score... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] OT - How to stop spamassassin marking mail from gentoo-user (and other mailing lists) as spam
I set up spamassassin the other day. I've added a few of my own rules, targeted at the specific spam we usually get here. I've set up procmail to filter mail spamassassin has marked to a special spam filter to be later reviewed for legitimacy. I've added '140.105.134.' to the trusted_networks variable at the top of /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf, yet gentoo-user posts coming in to my network sometimes go to my Inbox and sometimes to my Spam folder. How do I get it to leave my Gentoo mail alone? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] vim USE flag: vim-with-x
On (20/01/06 10:00), Tom Smith wrote:
I've been trying to determine what this particular USE flag does but
there doesn't seem to be a description of it anywhere (I also checked
gentoo-portage.com).
Does anyone know what this USE flag does or what additional
functionality it enables in vim?
Thanks in advance for your help.
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Hi,
Two ways (i know) to see the USE-flag descriptions.
1.Run :#euse -i opengl ('euse' is part of app-portage/gentoolkit).
2.Use#grep USE-flag-name /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc (or use.local.desc)
use.desc - global USE flags, use.local.desc - for flags loxcal for a package.
PS: IIRC there was some third alternative but can't remember right now.
HTH.Rumen
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[gentoo-user] Java SDK 1.5
Does anyone know if Java SDK 1.5 (blackdown, sun, anyone) will be available soon through portage? I am having troubles with the Java Web Start (applications are downloaded but no executed) and i am blaming the 1.4 release. Thanks in advance Rafael -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Packages list
Michael A Smith wrote: Phil Sexton wrote: Felipe Ribeiro wrote: Where do I find the list with all installed packages? Cheers, Felipe The ones you emerged are listed in the file: /var/lib/portage/world Want it in alphabetical order? cat /var/lib/portage/world|less Isn't that a superfluous use of cat? Why not less /var/lib/portage/world -Mike Oops! I was actually thinking: sort /var/lib/portage/world|less This gives the listing in alphabetical order, what I previously posted doesn't alphabetize it. -- Phil My Home Page: http://fancypiper.info Our 2nd CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/naomisfancy Naomi's Fancy performances: http://naomisfancy.virtualave.net/schedule.html -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] vim USE flag: vim-with-x
take a look at: /usr/portage/profiles/use.local.desc app-editors/vim:vim-with-x - Link console vim against X11 libraries to enable title and clipboard features in xterm br richard Tom Smith wrote: I've been trying to determine what this particular USE flag does but there doesn't seem to be a description of it anywhere (I also checked gentoo-portage.com). Does anyone know what this USE flag does or what additional functionality it enables in vim? Thanks in advance for your help. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [gentoo-user] vim USE flag: vim-with-x
Rumen Yotov wrote:
On (20/01/06 10:00), Tom Smith wrote:
I've been trying to determine what this particular USE flag does but
there doesn't seem to be a description of it anywhere (I also checked
gentoo-portage.com).
Does anyone know what this USE flag does or what additional
functionality it enables in vim?
Thanks in advance for your help.
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Hi,
Two ways (i know) to see the USE-flag descriptions.
1.Run :#euse -i opengl ('euse' is part of app-portage/gentoolkit).
2.Use#grep USE-flag-name /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc (or use.local.desc)
use.desc - global USE flags, use.local.desc - for flags loxcal for a package.
PS: IIRC there was some third alternative but can't remember right now.
HTH.Rumen
The first place I always look for USE flag descriptions is in
/usr/portage/profiles/use.desc--this particular flag isn't listed.
On your suggestion, I tried
euse -i vim
but that didn't return /any/ USE flag descriptions.
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[gentoo-user] prioritise outbound emails
Dear friends, would anyone know how to prioritise outbound emails based on size/priority etc for sendmail/qmail/postfix ./? for an example, A rule that says schedule all emails larger than 2 MB to be sent duting 6-8pm -- ... The future lies ahead. ___ Have you mooed today? \^__^ \ (oo) \___ (__) \ )\/\ | |-w | | || | 2.6.14-gentoo-r2-sinhalese-r1.0 (((o)))~--~--~-- Proud to be a Sinhalese. SINHALESE ARE GENIUSES OF IRRIGATION http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~sydney/sinhales.htm -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Java SDK 1.5
On 1/20/06, Rafael Barrera Oro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if Java SDK 1.5 (blackdown, sun, anyone) will be available soon through portage? It is available now, but you have to unmask it. If you do, you should rebuild all java packages on your system, or you may run into trouble. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Re: [gentoo-user] SATA Hardware vs Software RAID
Based on your post to my other thread I've been looking at the drives you mentioned. What do you know about the WD Caviar drives? They are cheaper than the Raptors. From: Bill Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/01/20 Fri AM 09:52:01 EST To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] SATA Hardware vs Software RAID -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Java SDK 1.5
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Fish wrote: On 1/20/06, Rafael Barrera Oro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if Java SDK 1.5 (blackdown, sun, anyone) will be available soon through portage? It is available now, but you have to unmask it. If you do, you should rebuild all java packages on your system, or you may run into trouble. It's probably a good idea to read the faq: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/java/tiger-faq.xml Zac -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFD0Snj/ejvha5XGaMRAvpKAKCzV+0FTztgY5BXXA860lKeMrfCOgCglo4p iIdPjkWL0FlfaedpFKLplnw= =SNNP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Java SDK 1.5
I was already reading the faq when i received your anser :) It seems this can be done, but not without certain risks. Thanks for the info On 1/20/06, Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Fish wrote: On 1/20/06, Rafael Barrera Oro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if Java SDK 1.5 (blackdown, sun, anyone) will be available soon through portage? It is available now, but you have to unmask it. If you do, you should rebuild all java packages on your system, or you may run into trouble. It's probably a good idea to read the faq: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/java/tiger-faq.xml Zac -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFD0Snj/ejvha5XGaMRAvpKAKCzV+0FTztgY5BXXA860lKeMrfCOgCglo4p iIdPjkWL0FlfaedpFKLplnw= =SNNP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] vim USE flag: vim-with-x
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:49:36 -0700, Tom Smith wrote: The first place I always look for USE flag descriptions is in /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc--this particular flag isn't listed. Try usr/portage/profiles/use.* I have this in my bash profile alias useflag='grep --color -i /usr/portage/profiles/use.*desc -e' $ useflag vim-with /usr/portage/profiles/use.local.desc:app-editors/vim:vim-with-x - Link console vim against X11 libraries to enable title and clipboard features in xterm -- Neil Bothwick A computer scientist is someone who, when told to Go to Hell, sees the go to, rather than the destination, as harmful. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How to safely unmerge a package
Dale wrote: Catalin Grigoroscuta wrote: This is an easy one :) equery l -p -o -i ppp Thanks. It wasn't quite what etcat does but it is a start. I got the info I needed anyway. Now to go put my nose in the manual for a bit. Dale :-) I know its not from the command line but porthole is a very good portage viewer. Regards, -- Edward A Mihalow Jr Gentoo! Linux Registered Linux User#225662 New Orleans,LA -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] vim USE flag: vim-with-x
Tom Smith schreef:
Rumen Yotov wrote:
Hi, Two ways (i know) to see the USE-flag descriptions. 1.Run
:#euse -i opengl ('euse' is part of app-portage/gentoolkit).
2.Use#grep USE-flag-name /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc (or
use.local.desc) use.desc - global USE flags, use.local.desc - for
flags loxcal for a package. PS: IIRC there was some third
alternative but can't remember right now. HTH.Rumen
The first place I always look for USE flag descriptions is in
/usr/portage/profiles/use.desc--this particular flag isn't listed.
That's because it isn't a global USE flag, like gnome; it's a local
USE flag, which applies to vim only.
Local USE flags are described in /usr/portage/profiles/use.local.desc.
Myself, I use an alias to search useflags:
(in ~/.bashrc)
alias useflag='grep /usr/portage/profiles/use.*desc -e'
This searches both use.desc and use.local.desc for whatever I type after
the command useflag
so:
motub - useflag vim-with-x
/usr/portage/profiles/use.local.desc:app-editors/vim:vim-with-x - Link
console vim against X11 libraries to enable title and clipboard features
in xterm
Great for when I've done an emerge -uaDtNv world, and don't know what
thus and so new USE flag does.
Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] How to safely unmerge a package
On Friday 20 January 2006 04:31, Catalin Grigoroscuta wrote: Dale wrote: Catalin Grigoroscuta wrote: Hi, Thanks a lot for the replies, I managed to get qpkg working. However, it's very interesting that I asked for a way to achieve the functionality of a deprecated tool with the current tools. Everybody explained to me how to obtain the deprecated tool, yet nobody answered to how to do this with the new tools. So, what is the reason for qpkg is deprecated, after all? Regards, Catalin I wonder the same thing about etcat. It's gone and I have no clue how to find out what versions of ppp are available. The new equery makes no sense to me. I have used it a couple times but I can not figure out how to get it to tell me what all versions are in portage for ppp. I would like to try ether a masked version or a older version, if I knew what they were. This is an easy one :) equery l -p -o -i ppp I wonder how long equery will last? I figure about the time I learn to use it a bit, it will be gone too. This has been a bad week. Dale :-) I too like qpkg more than equery, at least for what I usually need to do. My solution is just to put a copy of qpkg and ecat in /usr/bin, and make a backup copy somewhere for when it's no longer available (in gentoolkit, or a new gentoo install). -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] vim USE flag: vim-with-x
On (20/01/06 10:49), Tom Smith wrote:
Rumen Yotov wrote:
On (20/01/06 10:00), Tom Smith wrote:
I've been trying to determine what this particular USE flag does but
there doesn't seem to be a description of it anywhere (I also checked
gentoo-portage.com).
Does anyone know what this USE flag does or what additional
functionality it enables in vim?
Thanks in advance for your help.
--
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Hi,
Two ways (i know) to see the USE-flag descriptions.
1.Run :#euse -i opengl ('euse' is part of app-portage/gentoolkit).
2.Use#grep USE-flag-name /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc (or use.local.desc)
use.desc - global USE flags, use.local.desc - for flags loxcal for a package.
PS: IIRC there was some third alternative but can't remember right now.
HTH.Rumen
The first place I always look for USE flag descriptions is in
/usr/portage/profiles/use.desc--this particular flag isn't listed.
On your suggestion, I tried
euse -i vim
but that didn't return /any/ USE flag descriptions.
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Hi,
For me it returns: (# euse -i vim)
global use flags (searching: vim)
no matching entries found
local use flags (searching: vim)
[-] vim (dev-util/global):
vim funny stuff for global
...END...
So dev-util/global has a vim USE flag.
Only one local USE flags for 'vim'
Next (# euse -i vim-with-x):
...BEGIN...
global use flags (searching: vim-with-x)
no matching entries found
local use flags (searching: vim-with-x)
[-] vim-with-x (app-editors/vim):
Link console vim against X11 libraries to enable title and clipboard features
in xterm
...END...
HTH.Rumen
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Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On Friday 20 January 2006 13:00, Paul wrote: my findings with KDE is that its bloadware if I wanted bloat , I'd run windows KDE is not bloated, it is feature complete, fully integrated (while gnome is a collection of third party applications) and while gnome takes away choices, KDE enables you to configure your desktop in ways you can hardly imagine. Oh, and do you know that KDE is completly scriptable (?) - I meamn, you can administer KDE completly with scripts. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On Friday 20 January 2006 15:37, Michael Sullivan wrote: My wife and I use GNOME. KDE is too Windows-like for us. I can't stand Windows XP. I think it's the most annoying OS I've ever attempted to use... gnome is much more windows like than KDE. With KDE you have lots and lots of options to configure the desktop to your liking. This is not possible with gnome (it could confuse the users, say the gnome devs). Something gnome has in common with windows. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to safely unmerge a package
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:30:57 -0500, Robert Crawford wrote: I too like qpkg more than equery, at least for what I usually need to do. My solution is just to put a copy of qpkg and ecat in /usr/bin, and make a backup copy somewhere for when it's no longer available (in gentoolkit, or a new gentoo install). Put it in /usr/local/bin, if you emerge portage-utils, you'll overwrite the copy in /usr/bin. Once in /usr/local/bin, it's safe from anything, even if it's removed from gentoolkit. -- Neil Bothwick This message has been cruelly tested on sweet little furry animals. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] trouble with CUPS
Le 20 janvier à 17:55:17 maxim wexler [EMAIL PROTECTED] écrit notamment: | And can somebody explain the need to use http to set | up a printer on one's own computer? Afterall PC | *does* mean personal computer. I'm assuming that | localhost:631 is on my own machine. But even so it | seems a bit much. Well, at least one advantage of the web interface at localhost:631 is that you have documentation there, including doc on how to configure and use cups at the command line, which - I agree - is often more agreable and robust than the web interface. I believe you will solve your problem this way - afraid I have no clues on it now. cheers, -- Jean Magnan de Bornier |Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net|13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 |P 06 09 17 35 87 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Java SDK 1.5
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rafael Barrera Oro wrote: I was already reading the faq when i received your anser :) It seems this can be done, but not without certain risks. It's pretty safe if you keep blackdown-jdk-1.4 as the system vm (for building packages) and use java-config to set sun-jdk-1.5 as the user vm. The faq explains how to do it. Zac -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFD0To5/ejvha5XGaMRAq3yAKDXWyBNfsrWSWUbALQ7J66uMEqMhQCgq6qy A7YiSEkrGwefLJ5ADECEfO4= =Lkrj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to safely unmerge a package
On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 19:15 +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:30:57 -0500, Robert Crawford wrote: I too like qpkg more than equery, at least for what I usually need to do. My solution is just to put a copy of qpkg and ecat in /usr/bin, and make a backup copy somewhere for when it's no longer available (in gentoolkit, or a new gentoo install). Put it in /usr/local/bin, if you emerge portage-utils, you'll overwrite the copy in /usr/bin. Once in /usr/local/bin, it's safe from anything, even if it's removed from gentoolkit. As the current maintainer of gentoolkit, please do what Neil said and place it in /usr/local/bin and not /usr/bin Regards, Paul -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] python: stack smashing attack
Dear my friends, i just try to issue '#emerge -e world' but it stoped by giving following error... please help me to solve this problem. #emerge info Gentoo Base System version 1.12.0_pre14 Portage 2.1_pre3-r1 (default-linux/x86/2005.0, gcc-3.4.5, glibc-2.3.6-r2, 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 i686) = System uname: 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 i686 Pentium III (Coppermine) dev-lang/python: 2.3.4-r1, 2.4.2 sys-apps/sandbox:1.2.17 sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13, 2.59-r7 sys-devel/automake: 1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r1 sys-devel/binutils: 2.16.1-r1 sys-devel/libtool: 1.5.22 virtual/os-headers: 2.6.11-r3 ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=x86 ~x86 AUTOCLEAN=yes CBUILD=i686-pc-linux-gnu CFLAGS=-march=pentium3 -O3 -pipe CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu CONFIG_PROTECT=/etc /usr/kde/2/share/config /usr/kde/3.4/env /usr/kde/3.4/share/config /usr/kde/3.4/shutdown /usr/kde/3.5/env /usr/kde/3.5/share/config /usr/kde/3.5/shutdown /usr/kde/3/share/config /usr/lib/X11/xkb /usr/share/config /var/bind /var/qmail/alias /var/qmail/control /var/vpopmail/domains /var/vpopmail/etc CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK=/etc/gconf /etc/splash /etc/terminfo /etc/env.d CXXFLAGS=-march=pentium3 -O3 -pipe DISTDIR=/home/storage/public/gentoo/distfiles FEATURES=autoconfig candy ccache distcc distlocks sandbox sfperms strict userpriv usersandbox GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://distfiles.gentoo.org http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/gentoo; LINGUAS=si en MAKEOPTS=-j2 PKGDIR=/packages PORTAGE_TMPDIR=/var/tmp PORTDIR=/usr/portage SYNC=rsync://134.68.220.97/gentoo-portage USE=x86 16bit X a52 aac aalib acl acpi activefilter aliaschain alsa apache2 apm asf async audiofile avi bash-completion berkdb bitmap-fonts bl bluetooth bmp browserplugin bzip2 cdparanoia cdr chroot cjk cnamefix crypt css cups curl customlog dbus dga dhcp directfb divx4linux dlloader dpms dts dv dvb edl eds emboss encode exif expat extraengine fam fame fax fb fbcon fbdev ffmpeg firefox flac flash foomaticdb fortran fpx gd gdbm ggi gif gimp glut gmail gmp gnutls gpgme gphoto2 gpm graphviz gstreamer gtk gtk2 gtkhtml hal hpn id3 idn ieee1394 imagemagick imap imlib ipalias irda java javascript jbig jikes jpeg jpeg2 jpeg2k justify kde kdgraphics kerberos lame lcd lcms ldap libcaca libclamav libg++ libwww lirc logmail logrotate lzo mad maildir mailwrapper md5sum mhash mikmod mime ming mjpeg mmap mmx mng mono motif mozcalendar mozdevelop mozilla mozsvg mp3 mp4live mpeg mpeg2 mpi mplayer multipleip musepack musicbrainz mysql nas ncurses network nfs nis nls nntp nptl nptlonly nsplugin oav odbc ogg oggvorbis openal openexr opengl oss pam pam_chroot pam_console pcre pdflib perl player png pop ppds python qmail qt quicktime quotas readline real roundrobin rtc samba scanner sdl shorten slang smime smp smtp sndfile socks5 spamassassin speex spell spf sqlite sse sse-filters ssl stencil-buffer svg svga swat sysfs syslog tcltk tcpd tetex tga theora threads tiff tools truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts ucs2 udev underscores unicode usb utf8 v4l v4l2 vcd vhosts vidix vorbis win32codecs winbind wmf xanim xine xml xml2 xmms xprint xv xvid xvmc zeroconf zlib elibc_glibc kernel_linux linguas_si linguas_en userland_GNU video_cards_ati Unset: ASFLAGS, CTARGET, LANG, LC_ALL, LDFLAGS, PORTDIR_OVERLAY #emerge -e world . .. checksums files ;-) files/debianutils-2.14.1-no-bs-namespace.patch checksums src_uri ;-) debianutils_2.15.tar.gz emerge (109 of 908) sys-apps/portage-2.1_pre3-r1 to / Previously fetched file: portage-2.1_pre3.tar.bz2 size ;-) Previously fetched file: portage-2.1_pre3.tar.bz2 MD5 ;-) checksums files ;-) portage-2.0.53.ebuild checksums files ;-) portage-2.1_pre3-r1.ebuild python: stack smashing attack in function sha_done() Aborted -- ... The future lies ahead. ___ Have you mooed today? \^__^ \ (oo) \___ (__) \ )\/\ | |-w | | || | 2.6.14-gentoo-r2-sinhalese-r1.0 (((o)))~--~--~-- Proud to be a Sinhalese. SINHALESE ARE GENIUSES OF IRRIGATION http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~sydney/sinhales.htm -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
AybOwan! i'm too using KDE. it's nice... colorfull world... On 1/21/06, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 20 January 2006 15:37, Michael Sullivan wrote: My wife and I use GNOME. KDE is too Windows-like for us. I can't stand Windows XP. I think it's the most annoying OS I've ever attempted to use... gnome is much more windows like than KDE. With KDE you have lots and lots of options to configure the desktop to your liking. This is not possible with gnome (it could confuse the users, say the gnome devs). Something gnome has in common with windows. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- ... The future lies ahead. ___ Have you mooed today? \^__^ \ (oo) \___ (__) \ )\/\ | |-w | | || | 2.6.14-gentoo-r2-sinhalese-r1.0 (((o)))~--~--~-- Proud to be a Sinhalese. SINHALESE ARE GENIUSES OF IRRIGATION http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~sydney/sinhales.htm -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Kppp and two different accounts
On Friday 20 January 2006 05:38, Dale wrote:
find directory -name '*' -exec fgrep -l search phrase \{\} \;
Good call. The only one in my home directory is kppprc and mozilla's email
stuff. I renamed kppprc and set up a new one, it still sends the wrong info.
It does the same on all users: dale, dale2 and my new user test. Weird.
It did find the ones in /etc/ppp and I had deleted those earlier too. It
still sends the wrong one though. It sends the wrong one in wvdial too. It
even does this when I use pon, from the ppp package, to connect with.
I also tried this this morning. I tried changing in the fields in Kppp. Just
to check it, I took off the @exceedtech.net part and it still would send
[EMAIL PROTECTED]dotnet like always. It seems ppp or something ignores what
I put in the Kppp fields. What's up with this?
It came back fine in /var. Since it does this for all users, would it not
make sense that this is in a root file somewhere? I am checking the /root
directory too. I looked earlier and didn't see a thing. It didn't see
anything either.
Any more Ideas? Is this a Kppp bug maybe? It does the same thing in KDE 3.4
too. This worked about a year ago in KDE 3.4. I did this before. Something
has changed somewhere. I have no clue what though.
Thanks
Dale
:-)
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[gentoo-user] iptables question
somewhat offtopic, but since I need any help I can get: how do I redirect trafic from outward facing interface (192.168.1.114:80) to loopback device (127.0.0.1:80) ? my most obvious trick: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 192.168.1.114 --dport 80 \ -j DNAT --to 127.0.0.1:80 and echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward didn't help. Machine which is opening connection is hanging there indefinitely... what did I miss? -- Dmitry Makovey Web Systems Administrator Athabasca University (780) 675-6245 pgpGUeQ4bFleF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] trouble with CUPS
And can somebody explain the need to use http to set up a printer on one's own computer? Afterall PC *does* mean personal computer. I'm assuming that localhost:631 is on my own machine. But even so it seems a bit much. Because you have the same interface to set up a printer on your, your neighbours' and your 10.000-km-away pen pal. Can you explain me the need to not use http for your own config and using it for external configs, while you can have a single configuration app? m. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: iptables question
Dmitry S. Makovey dmitry at athabascau.ca writes: somewhat offtopic, but since I need any help I can get: how do I redirect trafic from outward facing interface (192.168.1.114:80) to loopback device (127.0.0.1:80) ? my most obvious trick: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 192.168.1.114 --dport 80 \ -j DNAT --to 127.0.0.1:80 and echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward didn't help. Machine which is opening connection is hanging there indefinitely... what did I miss? Well, let me start off by saying that I'm still learning the details of iptables. An excellent book has been recommended and I can confirm it is wonderful: Linux Firewalls Third Edition 2005. by Steve Suehring and Robert L. Ziegler. Novell press. There are many examples covering forwarding, port redirection, dmz's and proxies. It's hard to tell exactly what you are doing, or what you want to do. From the book: Enabling the loopback Interface page 111 Local services rely on the loop back network interface. After the system boots, the systems's default policy is to accept all packets. Flushing any pre existing chains has no effect. However, if the firewall is being reinitialized and had previously used a deny-by-default policy, the drop policy would still be in effect. Without any acceptance firewall rules, the loopback interface would still be inaccessible. Because the loopback interface is a local, internal interface, the firewall can allow loopback traffic immediately: #for unlimited traffic on the loopback interface iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT iptables -A OUTPUT -o lo -j ACCEPT Granted this is related to an example in the book, but hopefully it helps. If you get frustrated, send me private email, maybe I can help. I will try. Some folks on the list do not believe that direct control of iptables is wise. I desent. Knowledge of iptables is of extreme value, but difficult to master. I'd like to see many example of iptable for 2.6 kernels published. Updated material on iptables + 2.6 kernels, is scarcely available on the net. hth, James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] iptables question
Under the *nat rule, -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 58443 -j DNAT --to 192.168.7.1:443 Under the *filter rules. -A ADAMS-FW-INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 443 -j ACCEPT On 1/20/06, Dmitry S. Makovey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: somewhat offtopic, but since I need any help I can get: how do I redirect trafic from outward facing interface (192.168.1.114:80) to loopback device (127.0.0.1:80) ? my most obvious trick: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 192.168.1.114 --dport 80 \ -j DNAT --to 127.0.0.1:80 and echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward didn't help. Machine which is opening connection is hanging there indefinitely... what did I miss? -- Dmitry Makovey Web Systems Administrator Athabasca University (780) 675-6245 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On Friday 20 January 2006 19:59, Holly Bostick wrote: more comfortable with a more Windows-like environment, and Windows-like assumptions about what a user wants/needs from their desktop, KDE may be just the thing; that is, after all, what it's designed to do to a great extent. That statement is extremely unfair to KDE. Every DE needs to make at least some assumptions to present a working environment for the user and KDE is not alone in doing that. The quality comes in when the DE not only makes some choices for you but also gives you an easy access to editing/changing those features. As far as I can see, you can edit every choice that KDE has made for you with minimal fuss. If that is being Windows-like, then you can not be more wrong. -- Regards, Abhay pgpFYCVgHW1m1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On Friday 20 January 2006 21:08, Alexander Kirillov wrote: and better integrated with other open source projects out there. That is not a quality of Gnome but GTK. Gnome uses GTK while KDE uses QT. Since (earlier) QT had a non-acceptable license for most of the developers of FLOSS, they chose GTK over QT. This lead to more and more applications being written with the toolkit, hence their better integration with Gnome. -- Regards, Abhay pgpSwc6VYnrys.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: iptables question
On Friday 20 January 2006 13:41, James wrote: #for unlimited traffic on the loopback interface iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT iptables -A OUTPUT -o lo -j ACCEPT since I've done my flushing all my rules are nice and permissive ;) dimon2 ~ # iptables -t filter -L Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination dimon2 ~ # iptables -t nat -L Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination So I doubt I need specific rules for lo or any other device except for NAT rules to redirect my traffic. -- Dmitry Makovey Web Systems Administrator Athabasca University (780) 675-6245 pgp6S1gU0k90a.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE? [OT]
On Friday 20 January 2006 15:01, darren kirby wrote: Unscientific: Google for: kde rules -- 40,900 kde sucks -- 9,660 gnome rules -- 554 gnome sucks -- 10,500 Draw your own conclusions. ..or we could always use googlefight ;) http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GBword1=kdeword2=gnome -- Regards, Abhay pgpcSTVYABIM6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: getting rid of gnome
On Friday 20 January 2006 11:46, a tiny voice compelled Ryan Tandy to write: A quick glance at my profile reveals the 'gstreamer' USE flag in make.defaults. Be sure that you have that explicitly disabled in make.conf before giving up. You know, I never checked that, although I found the same thing with esd which I did disable. I might play a bit more soon, but I want to keep xscreensaver so I'm going to be stuck with at least libglade. Many thanks to all that have offered advice. -- Regards, Ernie -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE? [OT]
On Friday 20 January 2006 22:02, Abhay Kedia wrote: On Friday 20 January 2006 15:01, darren kirby wrote: Unscientific: Google for: kde rules -- 40,900 kde sucks -- 9,660 gnome rules -- 554 gnome sucks -- 10,500 Draw your own conclusions. ..or we could always use googlefight ;) http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GBword1=kdeword2=gnome which gives five different results on five tries. Four times KDE in front of gnome. one time gnome 2x the results of kde or gnome in the previous fights. Seems to be flawed. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] pptpconfig... missing config option?
Hi, I am running pptpconfig to connect to my school VPN. After it updates resolv.conf, I see that I have no nameserver entries whatsoever! Ack! Are there config lines that are supposed to be in my peer file to specify my nameservers? -- Justin W. Hart -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] iptables question
On Friday 20 January 2006 13:49, Trenton Adams wrote: Under the *nat rule, -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 58443 -j DNAT --to 192.168.7.1:443 Under the *filter rules. -A ADAMS-FW-INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 443 -j ACCEPT I tried similar combination as well to no avail. :( -- Dmitry Makovey Web Systems Administrator Athabasca University (780) 675-6245 pgpplhtQFKxWJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] python: stack smashing attack
On 1/20/06, El Nino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear my friends, i just try to issue '#emerge -e world' but it stoped by giving following error... please help me to solve this problem. There are a few bug reports of stack smashing problems on bugs.gentoo.org, most seem to be related to using hardended profiles. Strange, I don't see gcc-hardened or a hardened profile in your emerge info outputhowever you are using distcc. So, are all of your distcc hosts using the same version of gcc, or are any of them hardened? -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
and better integrated with other open source projects out there. That is not a quality of Gnome but GTK. Gnome uses GTK while KDE uses QT. Since (earlier) QT had a non-acceptable license for most of the developers of FLOSS, they chose GTK over QT. This lead to more and more applications being written with the toolkit, hence their better integration with Gnome. I've been thinking about xscreensaver and mozilla:) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
