Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean complains that a package is not installed but it is installed.
Le 02/02/11 à 01:23, Dale a tapoté : Is this a bug or am I missing something, again. ;-) Bug #353362 : http://bugs.gentoo.org/353362
[gentoo-user] Re: --depclean complains that a package is not installed but it is installed.
On 02/02/2011 09:23 AM, Dale wrote: I run --depclean every once and a while to see if anything is not needed anymore. Sort of do a little house cleaning. When I run it, it gives me this message: Calculating dependencies... done! * Dependencies could not be completely resolved due to * the following required packages not being installed: * * media-sound/phonon[-aqua] pulled in by: * x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.7.1-r1 * * Have you forgotten to run `emerge --update --newuse --deep @world` prior * to depclean? It may be necessary to manually uninstall packages that no longer * exist in the portage tree since it may not be possible to satisfy their * dependencies. Also, be aware of the --with-bdeps option that is documented * in `man emerge`. root@fireball / # I ran this just before the above: root@fireball / # emerge -uvDNa world --with-bdeps y Not sure what's going on, but with weird errors it sometimes helped here to unmerge the packages first and then running emerge world again. It's as if portage needs to forget something first by unmerging it, and re-emerging doesn't fix it.
Re: [gentoo-user] tuxonice and suspend-to-ram
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 08:17:11 +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Tuxonice also includes kernel patches, so it isn't only using what the kernel provides. You can use the tuxonice scripts with a vanilla kernel, you just miss out on the extra features. Sure. But what are the extras in S2R-context? What do I miss? The most obvious is the ability to abort a suspend or resume. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] USB stick recognition problem
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:43 AM, Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: Hi, since a few weeks I have a strange effect with my USB stick. According to fdisk there is one partition on it /dev/sde1 38 7839719 3919841 b W95 FAT32 which I haven't changed for a long time. Whenever I insert this stick, the kernel log shows /dev/sde but not /dev/sde1 (and there is no file /dev/sde1) After Invoking fdisk /dev/sde with a simple 'p' command but nothing else, this device shows up. Has anybody an idea what's going on here? I have a USB SD-card reader which cannot read the partition table when first inserted into the PC. But, if I issue hdparm -z /dev/sdg then the kernel re-reads the partition table and everything works fine after that. You can try it, maybe it'll work for you, too.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Emerge Problems...
From: Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org On Tuesday 01 February 2011 20:43:43 BRM wrote: And you're doing a typically manual process for updating all the systems - update your server first, then any rsync clients. Fine dandy if that is your process - but it's not mine. I may update my laptop twice as often as the other two, especially if I want to play with some software or try something out, or fix a bug, or get a later version of KDE. The server gets updated may be once a month, while the laptop is either once a month or at whim when I want something that just came out. It's not harder to do it this way, just a different method. The original rsync script worked perfectly fine; the broken update I did when I lost it is what started this whole thread. What's wrong with keeping your server's portage cache up to date? You don't have to update the server from it if you don't want to, but if the cache is out of date it isn't being much of a server. I recommend Occam's Razor. -- Here's the problem with the Server's /usr/portage being hosted by rsync: - Server sync's its portage against gentoo mirrors (emerge --sync) - Update Server (emerge world -vuDN) - Client sync's its portage against server portage mirror (emerge --sync) - Update Client (emerge world -vudN) So if you are manually updating the server, then no problem - you control the timing. Now all that seems to work fine until you introduce the automatic updates of the server's portage, e.g. via cron. Suppose the Server Update doesn't complete due to a build error. If the server automatically updated its portage during the build time then when you go to redo the build you may end up with another set of updates to push in, meanwhile you haven't finished the last round. Sure, the clients will still update just fine - it's not a problem for _them_, it's a problem for the server. So, Occam's Razor - store the rsync hosted portage mirror separately from the server's /usr/portage copy, and sync the server against the local rsync just like all the clients. The rsync hosted mirror can now be updated at will without any repercussions to any install, and the server works just like any of the clients; so now you end up with: - sync server portage mirror against gentoo mirrors at scheduled intervals, e.g. every day at midnight - Server sync's its portage against server portage mirror (emerge --sync) - Update Server (emerge world -vuDN) - Client sync's its portage against server portage mirror (emerge --sync) - Update Client (emerge world -vudN) The server is now completely 100% independent of the portage it is hosting for everyone else on the internal network, and you can get through a full update - resolving all issues, etc. - before any re-syncing. So then the question becomes why run the night cron to update the server's portage mirror? B/c I am not updating or installing software on my server as frequently as my other systems; so it doesn't need to be in sync itself as frequently. Ben
Re: [gentoo-user] tuxonice and suspend-to-ram
Am 02.02.2011 09:41, schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 08:17:11 +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Sure. But what are the extras in S2R-context? What do I miss? The most obvious is the ability to abort a suspend or resume. That was my impression as well. I don't really need that. S2R is fast here, and resuming also ... Stefan
[gentoo-user] xfce woes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gentoo Lite Users, I have recently upgraded to xfce 4.8 All seems to be well apart from a) Normal Users cannot shutdown b) Normal Users cannot automount using xfce (can through sudo mount). I have followed xfce guide using use flags as suggested. Users are in plugdev group dbus and consolekit are in default runlevel. I have removed hal (by masking) and makes no difference. Have tried adding /usr/lib64/xfce4/session/xfsm-shutdown-helper to sudo but no help there. Have looked on a few forums and suggested that config file for this is /etc/dbus.d/system.d/hal.conf. This does have a gentoo section which looks like it would allow above. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I have this issue on 2 machines. - -- John D Maunder j...@articwolf.myzen.co.uk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNSa8nAAoJEOuCgqleN2EyeUwH/1Fw2uxm+UdGM9MYP3kOumz5 tPqXemnrAfne41cIslzKbUI11yXrZrFbVAe2cOAsYN4MWIgwzJgh4vwe0vqMadEa 2JmaEEx2mrd7gecTQnv7Qctc7L7PECXt7YKUcwAs7jXZK5AFq4blknqy8ra1gE9o lyhRh0nJc1fFu6jI1O1tQ2TdeIyi631+qAM8LiM905vY+qGE+L4xmKclC3syMCF8 zPvTyR8J7cqn5E+6T2APoT0EPw2fm0ad8B5awQumL+LA5Uc8eXpKgrPqSmPoAsh4 aEGfH4YAK70Bkz4kVPAxn6IxORjTdR1A068d7CV4M0ujidHF4XCQe7V1FrQ9KV0= =xut7 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I reset mount-count?
On 15:16 Tue 01 Feb , Dale wrote: I also googled a bit and it does appear that the booting check resets the counter. At least that was what one poster said. May not be the case now but thought I would mention it. Yep, the check at boot that gets executed after the specified maximum mount count has been reached definitely resets the mount count to 0 again, I've probably witnessed that millions of times myself in my life. ;-) Observation(tm): From the e2fsck man page: e2fsck -p: Automatically repair (preen) the file system. This option will cause e2fsck to automatically fix any filesystem problems that can be safely fixed without human intervention. [...] This option is normally run by the system's boot scripts. The -p option to e2fsck acutually resets the mount count back to 0, even when executed manually (and not as part of a script at boot time). Greetings, Nils -- Nils Holland * Ti Systems, Wunsorf-Luthe (Germany) Powered by GNU/Linux since 1998
Re: [gentoo-user] HDD with too aggressive power management
On 22:08 Tue 01 Feb , Nils Holland wrote: I guess it's probably the way this machine works, and feel that the reference to acpid sounds like a very promising way to fixing this. As such, thanks to everyone who pointed me into that direction - I'll have a look and see if it works! Replying to myself here, but wanted to give everybody who pointed my in the acpid direction yesterday some feedback: I emerged acpid yesterday, had a look at your examples, studied the man page a bit and set it up. And well, I've explicitly switched between wall power and battery power more often than I would normally do, with the result that I can now say that the suggested solution works really well! Thanks again and greetings, Nils -- Nils Holland * Ti Systems, Wunsorf-Luthe (Germany) Powered by GNU/Linux since 1998
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Emerge Problems...
On 15:41 Tue 01 Feb , Joshua Murphy wrote: The trick I've been using for... a couple years now, across various machines (no cron involved), is syncing one box that shares portage *and* my distfiles on nfs, portage R/O, distfiles R/W, then when it's done syncing and starts its own metadata update, hop across all the others and do an emerge --metadata. From the emerge man page: In versions of portage =2.1.5 the --metadata action is totally unnecessary unless the user has enabled FEATURES=metadata-trasfer in make.conf(5). Could mean that you can skip this --metadata step on your other machines? Greetings, Nils -- Nils Holland * Ti Systems, Wunsorf-Luthe (Germany) Powered by GNU/Linux since 1998
[gentoo-user] Re: USB stick recognition problem
On 02/02/2011 07:48 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: I have a USB SD-card reader which cannot read the partition table when first inserted into the PC. But, if I issue hdparm -z /dev/sdg then the kernel re-reads the partition table and everything works fine after that. That sounds to me like a bug :) Is it 100% reproducible, and do you see the same on other computers? And, let us not forget the Ultimate Gold Standard: does it work on Windows?
[gentoo-user] Re: xfce woes
On 02/02/2011 11:23 AM, John wrote: I have recently upgraded to xfce 4.8 All seems to be well apart from a) Normal Users cannot shutdown b) Normal Users cannot automount using xfce (can through sudo mount). I understand very well your frustration because my gnome desktop goes through periods where those things work, and then for some time they don't work, etc, ad infinitum. As much as I like the convenience of automounting as a luser, all of my bofh instincts cry out that lusers shouldn't even be allowed to log into my system, much less actually mount(!?!) a filesystem! This is one of those Windows/convenience versus unix/security things, I think, but I'm just an amateur bofh. What do you professional bofhs think?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB stick recognition problem
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 21:29:22 walt wrote: On 02/02/2011 07:48 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: I have a USB SD-card reader which cannot read the partition table when first inserted into the PC. But, if I issue hdparm -z /dev/sdg then the kernel re-reads the partition table and everything works fine after that. That sounds to me like a bug :) Is it 100% reproducible, and do you see the same on other computers? And, let us not forget the Ultimate Gold Standard: does it work on Windows? Ha! I usually invert this test when people tell me their MSWindows machine is playing up (again ...) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Avoiding HAL
Hi there. I recently took a few months off from Gentoo to try Ubuntu (I heard it just works, and that is a Good Thing) only to find that I'd much rather be back on Gentoo again. (The fact that Ubuntu ships with PulseAudio means that sound it basically broken out of the box, and I'm excited for Xfce 4.8.) It's been a few months since I've been around, and I'd like to know if HAL has been fully deprecated yet. I'd like to avoid using it if at all possible, since that seems to be the way of the future. So I'm wondering what versions of udev and X server (and any other packages, dbus maybe?) I need to unmask in order to get rid of the HAL dependency. Thanks a lot! - BW
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB stick recognition problem
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:29 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/02/2011 07:48 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: I have a USB SD-card reader which cannot read the partition table when first inserted into the PC. But, if I issue hdparm -z /dev/sdg then the kernel re-reads the partition table and everything works fine after that. That sounds to me like a bug :) Is it 100% reproducible, and do you see the same on other computers? And, let us not forget the Ultimate Gold Standard: does it work on Windows? Yes, it is exactly the same every time Yes, every computer (for several kernel versions now) Yes, it works in Windows straight away (without doing any tricks) One thing I have not tried yet is to set delay_use option of usb-storage to a higher value. Maybe the device is still starting up and kernel tries to initialize it too quickly. I have usb-storage compiled into kernel now, instead of as a module, so I need to remember to change that that next time I plan to reboot.
Re: [gentoo-user] Avoiding HAL
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Brian Waters brianmwat...@gmail.com wrote: [...] So I'm wondering what versions of udev and X server (and any other packages, dbus maybe?) I need to unmask in order to get rid of the HAL dependency. Using GNOME, the only package that depends by default on HAL is gnome-power-manager (+hal dependency). Excepting for that one, if you remove hal from your use flags nothing will try to pull it. I'm not sure with Xfce or KDE. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Instituto de Matemáticas Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
[gentoo-user] Re: Avoiding HAL
On 02/03/2011 12:59 AM, Brian Waters wrote: [...] It's been a few months since I've been around, and I'd like to know if HAL has been fully deprecated yet. I'd like to avoid using it if at all possible, since that seems to be the way of the future. So I'm wondering what versions of udev and X server (and any other packages, dbus maybe?) I need to unmask in order to get rid of the HAL dependency. To see that, put -hal in your make.conf, and check your package.use too to make sure there's no hal enabling in there. Then unmerge the hal package and do an emerge -aDNt --with-bdeps=y world. If something pulls hal back in, it's gonna show due to the t option of emerge. Hope that helps.
Re: [gentoo-user] Avoiding HAL
Thanks Canek, that's perfect because for this upcoming install I'm planning on using acpid for power management anyway. I don't think power management is something that should run as a regular logged in user, and it causes problems like your laptop not sleeping when you're logged out with the login screen up, which is pretty dumb. Although I'm not sure you can easily use acpid to do something after 10 minutes of inactivity, so that will probably take jiggery pokery to figure out. Anyway, I digress. Maybe I'll start a thread on that when the time comes. - BW On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Brian Waters brianmwat...@gmail.com wrote: [...] So I'm wondering what versions of udev and X server (and any other packages, dbus maybe?) I need to unmask in order to get rid of the HAL dependency. Using GNOME, the only package that depends by default on HAL is gnome-power-manager (+hal dependency). Excepting for that one, if you remove hal from your use flags nothing will try to pull it. I'm not sure with Xfce or KDE. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Instituto de Matemáticas Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] Avoiding HAL
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Brian Waters brianmwat...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there. I recently took a few months off from Gentoo to try Ubuntu (I heard it just works, and that is a Good Thing) only to find that I'd much rather be back on Gentoo again. (The fact that Ubuntu ships with PulseAudio means that sound it basically broken out of the box, and I'm excited for Xfce 4.8.) It's been a few months since I've been around, and I'd like to know if HAL has been fully deprecated yet. I'd like to avoid using it if at all possible, since that seems to be the way of the future. So I'm wondering what versions of udev and X server (and any other packages, dbus maybe?) I need to unmask in order to get rid of the HAL dependency. Thanks a lot! http://www.x.org/wiki/XorgHAL Xorg 1.8 and newer should have udev-instead-of-HAL available.
Re: [gentoo-user] Avoiding HAL
Brian Waters wrote: Hi there. I recently took a few months off from Gentoo to try Ubuntu (I heard it just works, and that is a Good Thing) only to find that I'd much rather be back on Gentoo again. (The fact that Ubuntu ships with PulseAudio means that sound it basically broken out of the box, and I'm excited for Xfce 4.8.) It's been a few months since I've been around, and I'd like to know if HAL has been fully deprecated yet. I'd like to avoid using it if at all possible, since that seems to be the way of the future. So I'm wondering what versions of udev and X server (and any other packages, dbus maybe?) I need to unmask in order to get rid of the HAL dependency. Thanks a lot! - BW I use KDE here but with KDE 4.6, hal is gone. I use xorg 1.9 and no hal there. If nothing in xfce doesn't need it, then I think it is gone. All this is on amd64. I'm in the process of updating my x86 rig so I could answer for it in a day or so. Give me a poke if you need a report. ;-) Keep in mind, there are still a few packages that you CAN enable hal on. They are disabled here and still work fine as far as I know. I haven't burned a CD/DVD yet but k3b does see the drive and all. I would think it would work. That reminds me, I need to update some backups. o_O Hope that helps. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Avoiding HAL
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/03/2011 12:59 AM, Brian Waters wrote: [...] It's been a few months since I've been around, and I'd like to know if HAL has been fully deprecated yet. I'd like to avoid using it if at all possible, since that seems to be the way of the future. So I'm wondering what versions of udev and X server (and any other packages, dbus maybe?) I need to unmask in order to get rid of the HAL dependency. To see that, put -hal in your make.conf, and check your package.use too to make sure there's no hal enabling in there. Then unmerge the hal package and do an emerge -aDNt --with-bdeps=y world. If something pulls hal back in, it's gonna show due to the t option of emerge. Hope that helps. The way i read his post, which may not be read correctly, he doesn't have a Gentoo install at the moment to run those commands. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: USB stick recognition problem
On 02/02/2011 03:05 PM, Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:29 PM, waltw41...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/02/2011 07:48 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: I have a USB SD-card reader which cannot read the partition table when first inserted into the PC. That sounds to me like a bug :) do you see the same on other computers? Yes, every computer (for several kernel versions now) Well, if an older kernel uses the card reader normally and newer kernels don't, then I assume a kernel bug is responsible. What *I* would do is to use git-bisect in Linus's kernel git repository to isolate the bad commit and then report it to the person who submitted the original bad patch to Linus. If that idea sounds weird -- I plead nolo contendere. Yet, it gets kernel bugs fixed. (Very roughly paraphrasing Galileo ;)
[gentoo-user] Re: How can I reset mount-count?
On 02/01/2011 12:05 PM, Jarry wrote: I would like to avoid it [fsck], as it is rather large partition (2TB) with a lot of files, and fsck takes quite long time... The ext4 wiki site claims that fsck runs 2 to 20 time faster than ext3, depending on the number and size of the files contained in the ext4 filesystem. I have no experience with ext4 (yet), but I would welcome comments from those who do.
[gentoo-user] openoffice and IDL
I am having problems building openoffice - it gets to the IDL files (actual file it hangs on can vary) and seems to crash part of X and the build hangs. Anyone seen this before? - it is happening on only one of my systems and I google isnt showing me any similar situations. BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] openoffice and IDL
Bill Kenworthy wrote: I am having problems building openoffice - it gets to the IDL files (actual file it hangs on can vary) and seems to crash part of X and the build hangs. Anyone seen this before? - it is happening on only one of my systems and I google isnt showing me any similar situations. BillK Since that is a huge package to build, you got enough memory? How about drive space on portages work directory? May want to check with top and df to see if one of those is causing problems. May not help but worth checking. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] openoffice and IDL
Apparently, though unproven, at 06:14 on Thursday 03 February 2011, Dale did opine thusly: Bill Kenworthy wrote: I am having problems building openoffice - it gets to the IDL files (actual file it hangs on can vary) and seems to crash part of X and the build hangs. Anyone seen this before? - it is happening on only one of my systems and I google isnt showing me any similar situations. BillK Since that is a huge package to build, you got enough memory? How about drive space on portages work directory? May want to check with top and df to see if one of those is causing problems. Also try build with j=-1 -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Avoiding HAL
Apparently, though unproven, at 01:59 on Thursday 03 February 2011, Dale did opine thusly: Brian Waters wrote: Hi there. I recently took a few months off from Gentoo to try Ubuntu (I heard it just works, and that is a Good Thing) only to find that I'd much rather be back on Gentoo again. (The fact that Ubuntu ships with PulseAudio means that sound it basically broken out of the box, and I'm excited for Xfce 4.8.) It's been a few months since I've been around, and I'd like to know if HAL has been fully deprecated yet. I'd like to avoid using it if at all possible, since that seems to be the way of the future. So I'm wondering what versions of udev and X server (and any other packages, dbus maybe?) I need to unmask in order to get rid of the HAL dependency. Thanks a lot! - BW I use KDE here but with KDE 4.6, hal is gone. I use xorg 1.9 and no hal there. If nothing in xfce doesn't need it, then I think it is gone. All this is on amd64. I'm in the process of updating my x86 rig so I could answer for it in a day or so. Give me a poke if you need a report. ;-) Keep in mind, there are still a few packages that you CAN enable hal on. They are disabled here and still work fine as far as I know. I haven't burned a CD/DVD yet but k3b does see the drive and all. I would think it would work. That reminds me, I need to update some backups. o_O Everything left here is optional: $ equery depends hal * These packages depend on hal: app-cdr/k3b-2.0.2-r1 (hal ? sys-apps/hal) app-emulation/wine-1.3.11 (hal ? sys-apps/hal) app-misc/hal-info-20091130 (=sys-apps/hal-0.5.10) dev-libs/e_dbus-1.0.0 (hal ? sys-apps/hal) media-gfx/gimp-2.6.11 (hal ? sys-apps/hal) media-libs/libgphoto2-2.4.10 (hal ? =sys-apps/hal-0.5) media-tv/xbmc-10.0 (hal ? sys-apps/hal) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xfce woes
Apparently, though unproven, at 00:00 on Thursday 03 February 2011, walt did opine thusly: On 02/02/2011 11:23 AM, John wrote: I have recently upgraded to xfce 4.8 All seems to be well apart from a) Normal Users cannot shutdown b) Normal Users cannot automount using xfce (can through sudo mount). I understand very well your frustration because my gnome desktop goes through periods where those things work, and then for some time they don't work, etc, ad infinitum. As much as I like the convenience of automounting as a luser, all of my bofh instincts cry out that lusers shouldn't even be allowed to log into my system, much less actually mount(!?!) a filesystem! This is one of those Windows/convenience versus unix/security things, I think, but I'm just an amateur bofh. What do you professional bofhs think? Depends on what the machine is used for. For a multiuser box, you probably want user to not shutdown/reboot, be able to mount removeable media and nfs shares, not mount fixed disks. For a terminal server serving thin clients, you likely want users to not be able to do any of that on the server. For a single user workstation, the sole user should be able to do all of it. Perhaps yourself and the maintainer writing the template config disagree on the basic purpose of the machine in question. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] openoffice and IDL
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 07:08 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 06:14 on Thursday 03 February 2011, Dale did opine thusly: Bill Kenworthy wrote: I am having problems building openoffice - it gets to the IDL files (actual file it hangs on can vary) and seems to crash part of X and the build hangs. Anyone seen this before? - it is happening on only one of my systems and I google isnt showing me any similar situations. BillK Since that is a huge package to build, you got enough memory? How about drive space on portages work directory? May want to check with top and df to see if one of those is causing problems. Also try build with j=-1 Done that, plus ~210 gigabytes spare, tried no ccache, blank cflags etc etc, and its built successfully many times on this machine - up until a month or so ago. However, I'm running python-updater as Ive discovered a few other things are not working, so its probably some obscure part of the build chain/supporting apps is broken. Billk
Re: [gentoo-user] Avoiding HAL
I can't imagine why the GIMP would depend on HAL... lol. And for the record, yes, I am not on Gentoo right now. - BW On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 01:59 on Thursday 03 February 2011, Dale did opine thusly: Brian Waters wrote: Hi there. I recently took a few months off from Gentoo to try Ubuntu (I heard it just works, and that is a Good Thing) only to find that I'd much rather be back on Gentoo again. (The fact that Ubuntu ships with PulseAudio means that sound it basically broken out of the box, and I'm excited for Xfce 4.8.) It's been a few months since I've been around, and I'd like to know if HAL has been fully deprecated yet. I'd like to avoid using it if at all possible, since that seems to be the way of the future. So I'm wondering what versions of udev and X server (and any other packages, dbus maybe?) I need to unmask in order to get rid of the HAL dependency. Thanks a lot! - BW I use KDE here but with KDE 4.6, hal is gone. I use xorg 1.9 and no hal there. If nothing in xfce doesn't need it, then I think it is gone. All this is on amd64. I'm in the process of updating my x86 rig so I could answer for it in a day or so. Give me a poke if you need a report. ;-) Keep in mind, there are still a few packages that you CAN enable hal on. They are disabled here and still work fine as far as I know. I haven't burned a CD/DVD yet but k3b does see the drive and all. I would think it would work. That reminds me, I need to update some backups. o_O Everything left here is optional: $ equery depends hal * These packages depend on hal: app-cdr/k3b-2.0.2-r1 (hal ? sys-apps/hal) app-emulation/wine-1.3.11 (hal ? sys-apps/hal) app-misc/hal-info-20091130 (=sys-apps/hal-0.5.10) dev-libs/e_dbus-1.0.0 (hal ? sys-apps/hal) media-gfx/gimp-2.6.11 (hal ? sys-apps/hal) media-libs/libgphoto2-2.4.10 (hal ? =sys-apps/hal-0.5) media-tv/xbmc-10.0 (hal ? sys-apps/hal) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Any way to get real text console without killing X capability?
Back around 2000, we still had CRT monitors, not LCDs. The cheaper
monitors shimmered badly in GUI mode and were hard on my eyes. One of
the factors that drove me to linux back then was that, except for web
browsing and spreadsheets, I could do most of my work in a true text
console (and I don't mean an xterm, either). I love sharp crisp
textmode fonts on a text console. I used to do email and write code in
text consoles, and {CTRL-ALT-F10} to GUI for browsing (yes, I tweaked my
/etc/inittab to allow 10 consoles).
Recently, however, video drivers for both Intel and ATI have switched
over to some brain-dead framebuffer mode that renders regular
consolefonts microscopic. Also the line lengths are ridiculously long.
E.g. on my 1920x1200 LCD monitor, an 8x16 font gives 75 rows of 240
columns each. On my 14 notebook (1366x768) it's 48 rows of 170 columns
each. The largest consolefont I can find in /usr/share/consolefonts/ is
sun12x22. It's large enough to be at least readable, but I don't like
the way the font looks, and it's still too small for my taste, 54 rows
of 160 columns each on the LCD monitor.
My questions, in decreasing order of preference, are...
Plan a) Is there a way to have a real text console? I know that I can
have 2 X sessions on tty10 and tty11 with different resolutions, and
colour depths. Is there a way to set tty1..tty9 to 640x480 *IN TEXT
MODE*, so that lat1-?? fonts would look normal, without killing the
ability to have X run at 1920x1200?
Plan b) Are there extra large versions of lat1-?? fonts (24 pixels wide
for my 24 LED and 17 pixels wide for my notebook) that I can use in
framebuffer mode to emulate the look of real text mode?
Plan c) Are there any font-design and manipulation utilities that will
allow me to modify lat1-?? fonts to generate bigger versions?
--
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB stick recognition problem
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 8:11 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/02/2011 03:05 PM, Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:29 PM, waltw41...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/02/2011 07:48 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: I have a USB SD-card reader which cannot read the partition table when first inserted into the PC. That sounds to me like a bug :) do you see the same on other computers? Yes, every computer (for several kernel versions now) Well, if an older kernel uses the card reader normally and newer kernels don't, then I assume a kernel bug is responsible. What *I* would do is to use git-bisect in Linus's kernel git repository to isolate the bad commit and then report it to the person who submitted the original bad patch to Linus. If that idea sounds weird -- I plead nolo contendere. Yet, it gets kernel bugs fixed. (Very roughly paraphrasing Galileo ;) I meant that I've tried it for a few kernel versions (it's not a new card reader, it's a few years old). It has never worked properly in Linux since I've owned it.
Re: [gentoo-user] Avoiding HAL
Brian Waters wrote: I can't imagine why the GIMP would depend on HAL... lol. And for the record, yes, I am not on Gentoo right now. - BW In GIMP under the file menu, there is a option to get pictures from a camera. I have never used that but I guess that is where hal comes in. It may be something else but that is all I could find. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB stick recognition problem
Apparently, though unproven, at 08:08 on Thursday 03 February 2011, Paul Hartman did opine thusly: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 8:11 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/02/2011 03:05 PM, Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:29 PM, waltw41...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/02/2011 07:48 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: I have a USB SD-card reader which cannot read the partition table when first inserted into the PC. That sounds to me like a bug :) do you see the same on other computers? Yes, every computer (for several kernel versions now) Well, if an older kernel uses the card reader normally and newer kernels don't, then I assume a kernel bug is responsible. What *I* would do is to use git-bisect in Linus's kernel git repository to isolate the bad commit and then report it to the person who submitted the original bad patch to Linus. If that idea sounds weird -- I plead nolo contendere. Yet, it gets kernel bugs fixed. (Very roughly paraphrasing Galileo ;) I meant that I've tried it for a few kernel versions (it's not a new card reader, it's a few years old). It has never worked properly in Linux since I've owned it. Then the reader itself is probably horribly broken. Or has been built to comply to whatever broken Windows is doing today My USD card reader JustWorks(tm) everywhere with everything. And they are dirt cheap, about the price of the smallest SD card I can buy. Time for a new reader perhaps? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Avoiding HAL
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:41 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: In GIMP under the file menu, there is a option to get pictures from a camera. I have never used that but I guess that is where hal comes in. It may be something else but that is all I could find. Christ, it's like .dll hell all over again. There's probably a use flag to turn that off. - BW
Re: [gentoo-user] Avoiding HAL
110202 Brian Waters wrote: I recently took a few months off from Gentoo to try Ubuntu -- I heard it just works and that is a Good Thing -- only to find that I'd much rather be back on Gentoo again. When I set up my little EEE netbook 2009 , I considered alternatives, but quickly decided that Gentoo really does just work is a good thing, ie once you've put in the time to install it properly. I'd like to know if HAL has been fully deprecated yet. I eliminated it successfully a long time ago: it seems to be needed by the KDE desktop, but not by the KDE apps I use. I don't like the KDE 4 desktop, so use Fluxbox, which I strongly recommend as something else which just works once you've set it up to taste. BTW there are reports of problems with Xfce 4.8 . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB stick recognition problem
Alan McKinnon wrote: Then the reader itself is probably horribly broken. Or has been built to comply to whatever broken Windows is doing today My USD card reader JustWorks(tm) everywhere with everything. And they are dirt cheap, about the price of the smallest SD card I can buy. Time for a new reader perhaps? I have a card reader and it works with a lot of cards. So far it has worked fine. I did have a pin to bend once but most likely my fault. It has Targus wrote on it. I assume that is the brand. I think it was about $10 or $15 or so. It works fine with Linux so far and I think I used it once on my brothers windoze rig. It does sound like there is something fishy about your card tho. Dale :-) :-)
