Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
Fernando Canizo wrote: El 25/ago/2005 a las 20:57 -0300, Holly me decía: [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: Hi all, one thing i miss from my previous debian system was the long description that one can acces with 'apt-cache show package'. snip The questions would be: - why gentoo has decided that one line description is enough? - it's possible to implement long descriptions? (i mean in the political decision to do so, i know is technically viable with some LONG_DESCRIPTION item in ebuilds) Just saw this on the Wiki (Portage utilities not in Portage), and thought it might be something for you: tsportageview (forums) (sample-html-output) (download) * Show descriptions of packages in a given portage category(-ies). It may use longdescription from metadata.xml files. The output can be coloured text (requires color package) or html with links towards package homepages. http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-350215-highlight-tsportageview.html This is almost exactly what i'been looking for (well not so much looking since i don't find it by myself ;) Thank you for being on_topic. To point is should this be included in emerge or not ? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
Jonas Geiregat schreef: Fernando Canizo wrote: El 25/ago/2005 a las 20:57 -0300, Holly me decía: [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: Hi all, one thing i miss from my previous debian system was the long description that one can acces with 'apt-cache show package'. snip Just saw this on the Wiki (Portage utilities not in Portage), and thought it might be something for you: tsportageview (forums) (sample-html-output) (download) * Show descriptions of packages in a given portage category(-ies). It may use longdescription from metadata.xml files. The output can be coloured text (requires color package) or html with links towards package homepages. http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-350215-highlight-tsportageview.html To point is should this be included in emerge or not ? I don't personally need two extra lines of information; I usually find the single line provided sufficiently clear to make a decision. If I care enough to want to know more, I go to the website that is linked with the description-- adding a couple of extra lines to a description doesn't really make up for looking at the developer's ChangeLog, or the status of the site (does development seem to be ongoing, or was the last stable package created 4 years ago). I don't see any need to say that this or some similar functionality 'should' be included in Portage (as if the lack of this functionality is some serious lack in Portage), but if you do, submit an enhancement bug and see what happens. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
W.Kenworthy wrote: Lastly, top/bottom posting is a religion so you are unlikely to change either groups opinion, but just cause angst. [This is not meant as a flame, so please read this message to a lighthearted tune, sipping a glass of wine in the comfort of your favourite easy-chair :) -- and everyone else, please excuse this message's total offtopicness] A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Yeah, that one's a classic, but I think it quite nicely illustrates the point. I agree with you that it is annoying to scroll through a whole 10 pages of quoted e-mail conversation just to find the two-line answer hidden at the bottom, and that top-posting in this case would seem more pleasant. But I think this is an indication that the poster could not be bothered to actually quote the relevant passages that he is answering to instead of just unnecessarily leaving the whole conversation in, which other readers will have read previously anyway. The purpose of a quote IMHO should be a short reminder to other readers which part of the conversation you are referring to in order to prevent misunderstandings, not a complete ISO-9000 compatible documentation of the whole thing. When people include everything, they actually make it harder to tell which part they are referring to. So, I hope i haven't annoyed you too much with my ramblings. Maybe it's best to think about the whole issue under the aspect of better communication than some sort of holy netiquette that must be strictly adhered to lest burning in the depths of nethell be avoided. I really do think that this is not a religious issue between textmode/graphical clients (i use thunderbird myself) but that there are actually rational arguments that can be made, and I hope you consider my post in this light. Thanks, Marco Disclaimer in case anyone is going to call me on it: Yes, I used to top-post myself till not so long ago (and also got annoyed when people got righteous about it), as e-mails on this list dating back a mere 3 months or more will illustrate... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
El 25/ago/2005 a las 20:57 -0300, Holly me decía: [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: Hi all, one thing i miss from my previous debian system was the long description that one can acces with 'apt-cache show package'. snip The questions would be: - why gentoo has decided that one line description is enough? - it's possible to implement long descriptions? (i mean in the political decision to do so, i know is technically viable with some LONG_DESCRIPTION item in ebuilds) Just saw this on the Wiki (Portage utilities not in Portage), and thought it might be something for you: tsportageview (forums) (sample-html-output) (download) * Show descriptions of packages in a given portage category(-ies). It may use longdescription from metadata.xml files. The output can be coloured text (requires color package) or html with links towards package homepages. http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-350215-highlight-tsportageview.html This is almost exactly what i'been looking for (well not so much looking since i don't find it by myself ;) Thank you for being on_topic. -- Fernando Canizo - http://www.lugmen.org.ar/~conan/ snafu = Situation Normal All F%$*ed up -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Marco Matthies wrote: I agree with you that it is annoying to scroll through a whole 10 pages of quoted e-mail conversation just to find the two-line answer hidden at the bottom The real problem is those people too lazy to trim their posts to just what they are responding to... once upon a time people weren't so lazy and so bottom posting was the logical choice (this post is a good example of how posts should be done). -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
I don't mind top-posting, I guess its not offensive, ok, it sometimes waste bandwidth, so does HTML and stuff like my client signature file attached, I hate multipart, but, hey, you can't make everyone think like you do. I'll try trimming my mesgs to this list, even others, ok, and so far I'm trying not to top post, but I consider MUCH MORE OFFENSE in replying calling someone stupid,using sarcasm and emails with no info at all. Its not a question of lazy or not, its automation, it increased or bandwidth, decreased the time needed to reply a message and sincerely, I'm writting this on my 15 minutes lunch break, no time for trimming, bottom posting, get a client that deal with that... [no flames please, this is MHO and I won't change it, sincerely] -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
Freitag 26 August 2005 17:21, Holly Bostick: list/whatever (4 minutes) the way I see it, you'd wind up with only somewhere between 30 seconds and 3 minutes to actually ingest food and drink. and 3 minutes are so little you could skip the break anyways... pgpwOoZEcczwJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:06:30 -0300, Daniel da Veiga wrote: Its not a question of lazy or not, its automation, it increased or bandwidth, decreased the time needed to reply a message and sincerely, I'm writting this on my 15 minutes lunch break, no time for trimming, bottom posting, get a client that deal with that... The time you save on not pressing delete a few times, everyone else wastes in trying to find the relevant information and context in your mail. Or they don't bother and you don't get the answer you need to your question. -- Neil Bothwick pgptzrX9rpSn8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Daniel da Veiga wrote: I don't mind top-posting, I guess its not offensive, ok, it sometimes waste bandwidth, so does HTML and stuff like my client signature file attached, I hate multipart, but, hey, you can't make everyone think like you do. So we should all drive on the wrong side of the road because, hey, not all people think the same?? You have to have *some* consensus and rules whatever you're doing. -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Jerry McBride wrote: I think most linux nerds (me included) distain top posting because it's the default setting of some email app that runs on the windows OS I know this post was a troll - but its the dumbest thing Ive ever read. -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Jonathan Nichols wrote: I remember the days of netiquette. I guess I'm a grizzled old Usenet hippie. :| No you're not - there's no excuse for not being polite and considerate of others when posting. And that includes not top-posting and trimming your quoted part to only what is necessary for context. Unfortunately most people are too lazy to bother trimming anything so you end up with longer and longer posts. Some of us have to pay for bandwidth and longer posts just eat up more of it than necessary. -- Aj. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On 8/25/05, A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No you're not - there's no excuse for not being polite and considerate ofothers when posting. And that includes not top-posting and trimming yourquoted part to only what is necessary for context. Unfortunately most people are too lazy to bother trimming anything so you end up with longerand longer posts.Some of us have to pay for bandwidth and longer posts just eat up more ofit than necessary. Indeed, as previously stated I'm sorry. I simply didn't know that top posting and not trimming the message was so offensive. I cleaned up my act people just need to go harass the rest of the people on this list who are guilty of the same things. And for the record I was not trolling, I was TRYING to be helpful. -Mike-- Michael E. CruteSoftware DeveloperSoftGroup Development CorporationLinux, because reboots are for installing hardware.In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:39:14 -0400 (EDT), A. Khattri wrote: I know this post was a troll - but its the dumbest thing Ive ever read. You know you've been on the internet too long when the trolls are no longer amusing... -- Neil Bothwick Ralph's Observation - It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object to realize that you are in a hurry. pgpvEzPTZLTOi.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: Hi all, one thing i miss from my previous debian system was the long description that one can acces with 'apt-cache show package'. snip The questions would be: - why gentoo has decided that one line description is enough? - it's possible to implement long descriptions? (i mean in the political decision to do so, i know is technically viable with some LONG_DESCRIPTION item in ebuilds) Just saw this on the Wiki (Portage utilities not in Portage), and thought it might be something for you: tsportageview (forums) (sample-html-output) (download) * Show descriptions of packages in a given portage category(-ies). It may use longdescription from metadata.xml files. The output can be coloured text (requires color package) or html with links towards package homepages. http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-350215-highlight-tsportageview.html Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:57:31 +0200 Holly Bostick wrote: Just saw this on the Wiki (Portage utilities not in Portage), and thought it might be something for you: tsportageview (forums) (sample-html-output) (download) * Show descriptions of packages in a given portage category(-ies). It may use longdescription from metadata.xml files. The output can be coloured text (requires color package) or html with links towards package homepages. http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-350215-highlight-tsportageview.html Holly Y an on topic post in this thread!!! -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
For me, bottom posting is not netiquette but a total pitta. It wastes time and effort in reading mail on the mail readers I use. It was originally used by the first text mode readers and seems to be mainly inertia, continued by the design of mainly text based based readers (pine/mutt and the like) for its continued use. With graphical readers like evolution and outlook, who position their cursor at the start of a message, its a real pain. So unless a topic is really interesting, or properly trimmed I solve the problem by bottom post /dev/null. Of far more use is intelligent trimming. Far too many people dont correctly trim their mail which keeps both groups happy. If it fits on one screen, there's no reason both groups cant co-exist. Lastly, top/bottom posting is a religion so you are unlikely to change either groups opinion, but just cause angst. flames /dev/null BillK On Thu, 2005-08-25 at 11:42 -0400, A. Khattri wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Jonathan Nichols wrote: I remember the days of netiquette. I guess I'm a grizzled old Usenet hippie. :| No you're not - there's no excuse for not being polite and considerate of others when posting. And that includes not top-posting and trimming your ... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
Matan Peled wrote: Well, first of all, top-posting sucks, especially in a thread which has already begun as bottom-posting. What are you talking about ? Second, the whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems. Meaning, a solution not involving the Internet... =) If you're refering to the fact that the person doesn't have an internet connection when he wants to view this information throught the emerge interface, then you're wrong. When you want to install or you're just searching for a package you're using the emerge interface , when you need more info you have to 1) open your browser 2) type in the url (if you're lucky you know the url or it's in your browsers cache) 3) search for the package on the website , while instead you could just do something like emerge --desc package. Now what's quicker and makes more sence ? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
El 24/ago/2005 a las 04:01 -0300, Jonas me decía: Second, the whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems. Meaning, a solution not involving the Internet... =) If you're refering to the fact that the person doesn't have an internet connection when he wants to view this information throught the emerge interface, then you're wrong. When you want to install or you're just searching for a package you're using the emerge interface , when you need more info you have to 1) open your browser 2) type in the url (if you're lucky you know the url or it's in your browsers cache) 3) search for the package on the website , while instead you could just do something like emerge --desc package. Now what's quicker and makes more sence ? Exactly! That's what i'm refering to. It's not an issues of connection it's an issue of lazyness! It's like: -- hey what are you doing this weekend? -- don't know, it's cold and raining, i think i'm gonna sit in my throne and check what's new on 'app-vim' to improve my vimyness, if find something interesting i'll check the package webpage. For now i'm using 'questo': === script #!/bin/bash # lun may 2 20:57:24 ART 2005 # conan - GPLed # # script to check for apps on rainy sunday morning BASE_DIR=/usr/portage/ [ $# -ne 1 ] echo Uso: questo category exit 0 cd $BASE_DIR$1 for package in * ; do eix ^$paquete\$ echo Looking for: $1/$paquete. ENTER to continue... read done === end script Now i took sugestion from Ciaran to look in metadata.xml, i check a couple by hand and see the 'longdesc' field but... with short descriptions! Now maybe i just choose two with bad luck, but i got a feeling that gentoo maintainers doesn't like to provide longdesc, although there is the posibility. I was thinking of doing a little script that gives longdesc found in metadata to confirm this, but since i don't know nothing about xml, think it gonna take a little bit more that if there were already an application to check 'metadata.xml' fields. 'emerge', 'equery' and 'eix' wich are the administration tools i use everyday don't say nothing about this, i think all of them use de description field in ebuilds. I wonder if somebody knows another app to do this? If not, the idea of the script is more less this: lslongdesc package|category|all where: - 'package' gives longdesc of package - 'category' gives longdesc of all packages in category - and 'all' gives them all flooding your screen with info you never gonna eat... but that is there. It's so simple that i'm sure there must be an app (or compound of them) that already do this. -- Fernando Canizo - http://www.lugmen.org.ar/~conan/ Olmstead's Law: After all is said and done, a hell of a lot more is said than done. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
First of all, sorry about top posting that's the way Gmail does it and you cant change the settings. Also if you are looking for a lazy man's way of getting a package description try `emerge -s packagename` and it prints out a lot of information as well as a short description of the package. I have never seen a long description such as those used to build Debian packages anywhere in portage and don't really think it would be useful anyhow. So try emerge -s and if you need more info go to the packae's website. That would be my advice. Oh, and emerge -s works off the metadata so you dint need an Internet connection. -Mike. On 8/24/05, Fernando Canizo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El 24/ago/2005 a las 04:01 -0300, Jonas me decía: Second, the whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems. Meaning, a solution not involving the Internet... =) If you're refering to the fact that the person doesn't have an internet connection when he wants to view this information throught the emerge interface, then you're wrong. When you want to install or you're just searching for a package you're using the emerge interface , when you need more info you have to 1) open your browser 2) type in the url (if you're lucky you know the url or it's in your browsers cache) 3) search for the package on the website , while instead you could just do something like emerge --desc package. Now what's quicker and makes more sence ?Exactly! That's what i'm refering to. It's not an issues of connection it's anissue of lazyness! It's like: -- hey what are you doing this weekend? -- don't know, it's cold and raining, i think i'm gonna sit in my throne and check what'snew on 'app-vim' to improve my vimyness, if find something interesting i'llcheck the package webpage.For now i'm using 'questo': === script #!/bin/bash# lun may2 20:57:24 ART 2005# conan - GPLed## script to check for apps on rainy sunday morningBASE_DIR=/usr/portage/[ $# -ne 1 ] echo Uso: questo category exit 0 cd $BASE_DIR$1for package in * ; doeix ^$paquete\$echo Looking for: $1/$paquete. ENTER to continue...readdone=== end script Now i took sugestion from Ciaran to look in metadata.xml, i check a couple byhand and see the 'longdesc' field but... with short descriptions! Now maybe ijust choose two with bad luck, but i got a feeling that gentoo maintainersdoesn't like to provide longdesc, although there is the posibility. I was thinking of doing a little script that gives longdesc found in metadata toconfirm this, but since i don't know nothing about xml, think it gonna take alittle bit more that if there were already an application to check ' metadata.xml'fields. 'emerge', 'equery' and 'eix' wich are the administration tools i useeveryday don't say nothing about this, i think all of them use de descriptionfield in ebuilds. I wonder if somebody knows another app to do this? If not, the idea of the script is more less this:lslongdesc package|category|allwhere:- 'package' gives longdesc of package- 'category' gives longdesc of all packages in category- and 'all' gives them all flooding your screen with info you never gonna eat... but that is there.It's so simple that i'm sure there must be an app (or compound of them) thatalready do this.--Fernando Canizo - http://www.lugmen.org.ar/~conan/ Olmstead's Law:After all is said and done, a hell of a lot more is said than done.--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Michael E. CruteSoftware DeveloperSoftGroup Development CorporationLinux, because reboots are for installing hardware.In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On 8/24/05, Michael Crute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, sorry about top posting that's the way Gmail does it and you cant change the settings. S**t, look at this. I'm using gmail and not top posting. Just how stupid are you that you can't move the cursor to the bottom of the message? Also if you are looking for a lazy man's way of getting a package description try `emerge -s packagename` and it prints out a lot of information as well as a short description of the package. I have never seen a long description such as those used to build Debian packages anywhere in portage and don't really think it would be useful anyhow. So try emerge -s and if you need more info go to the packae's website. That would be my advice. Oh, and emerge -s works off the metadata so you dint need an Internet connection. How completely pointless. The OP knows about emerge -s and he knows he can look at the package's website. Even worse, you're wrong. emerge -s doesn't look in metadata.xml, it gets the information from the ebuild. Dave -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On 10:39 Wed 24 Aug , Michael Crute wrote: Hey buddy go troll on somebody else's thread. -Mike Seriously, just press the down key a few times before you start typing. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
You know bud, read some rules, be polite. If you have nothing good to say, say NOTHING!. Do you really THINK before replying? Have you added something to the question? Care more about WHAT people write than WHERE is it written, you'll be more happy. Comments like yours are good for old usenet users, and pointless today. On 8/24/05, David Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/24/05, Michael Crute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, sorry about top posting that's the way Gmail does it and you cant change the settings. S**t, look at this. I'm using gmail and not top posting. Just how stupid are you that you can't move the cursor to the bottom of the message? Also if you are looking for a lazy man's way of getting a package description try `emerge -s packagename` and it prints out a lot of information as well as a short description of the package. I have never seen a long description such as those used to build Debian packages anywhere in portage and don't really think it would be useful anyhow. So try emerge -s and if you need more info go to the packae's website. That would be my advice. Oh, and emerge -s works off the metadata so you dint need an Internet connection. How completely pointless. The OP knows about emerge -s and he knows he can look at the package's website. Even worse, you're wrong. emerge -s doesn't look in metadata.xml, it gets the information from the ebuild. Dave To the point, I never really had to read long descs provided at the website to have a good glance on what the program is, the fact that the desc showed in emerge -s is short doesn't make it less clear, in fact, it has all that matters. People searching with emerge usually KNOW what they're looking for. On the other hand, it wouldn't hurt to have a long description of the app somewhere available offline (like the universal CD, for example). I'm pretty sure they can use the same system of the website to provide this offline (but is it worth the trouble?). -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
Fernando Canizo wrote: El 24/ago/2005 a las 04:01 -0300, Jonas me decía: Second, the whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems. Meaning, a solution not involving the Internet... =) If you're refering to the fact that the person doesn't have an internet connection when he wants to view this information throught the emerge interface, then you're wrong. When you want to install or you're just searching for a package you're using the emerge interface , when you need more info you have to 1) open your browser 2) type in the url (if you're lucky you know the url or it's in your browsers cache) 3) search for the package on the website , while instead you could just do something like emerge --desc package. Now what's quicker and makes more sence ? Exactly! That's what i'm refering to. It's not an issues of connection it's an issue of lazyness! It's like: -- hey what are you doing this weekend? -- don't know, it's cold and raining, i think i'm gonna sit in my throne and check what's new on 'app-vim' to improve my vimyness, if find something interesting i'll check the package webpage. What kind of a computer user are you ? Really what a stupid remark , kinda foolish to say it's a bad idea to implement this feature just because there are other slower less direct methods for accomplishing a task ! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
Michael Crute wrote: First of all, sorry about top posting that's the way Gmail does it and you cant change the settings. Also if you are looking for a lazy man's way of getting a package description try `emerge -s packagename` and it prints out a lot of information as well as a short description of the package. I have never seen a long description such as those used to build Debian packages anywhere in portage and don't really think it would be useful anyhow. So try emerge -s and if you need more info go to the packae's website. That would be my advice. Oh, and emerge -s works off the metadata so you dint need an Internet connection. Please stay on topic , that's for all of you ! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On 8/24/05, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:| You know bud, read some rules, be polite.There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, butnot by much.--Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron)Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.orgWeb : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranmoff_topic Right... guess this is my cue to shamefacedly tuck my tail between my legs and go have a nice tasty crow sandwich. Sorry guys, I will be more polite next time. /off_topic Also to clarify when I said metadata I was (mistakenly) talking about the metadata in the ebuilds. Again, my mistake. -Mike -- Michael E. CruteSoftware DeveloperSoftGroup Development CorporationLinux, because reboots are for installing hardware.In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Crute wrote: On 8/24/05, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know bud, read some rules, be polite. There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but not by much. off_topic Right... guess this is my cue to shamefacedly tuck my tail between my legs and go have a nice tasty crow sandwich. Sorry guys, I will be more polite next time. /off_topic Also to clarify when I said metadata I was (mistakenly) talking about the metadata in the ebuilds. Again, my mistake. Ah, how ironic... Of course any reply to that message _HAD_ to be an HTML email (and a screwy one at that, with really weird quoting...) - -- [Name ] :: [Matan I. Peled] [Location ] :: [Israel] [Public Key] :: [0xD6F42CA5] [Keyserver ] :: [keyserver.kjsl.com] encrypted/signed plain text preferred -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDDK+EA7Qvptb0LKURAt7XAJ4/cyJjmJbntB7GetIcJjaBk8ueJACggG8R e+UJU0SKphcCU6t6MkzJ9nA= =tnzR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On 8/24/05, Matan Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-Hash: SHA1Michael Crute wrote: On 8/24/05, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know bud, read some rules, be polite. There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but not by much. off_topic Right... guess this is my cue to shamefacedly tuck my tail between my legs and go have a nice tasty crow sandwich. Sorry guys, I will be more polite next time. /off_topic Also to clarify when I said metadata I was (mistakenly) talking about the metadata in the ebuilds. Again, my mistake. Ah, how ironic... Of course any reply to that message _HAD_ to be an HTML email(and a screwy one at that, with really weird quoting...)- --[Name] ::[Matan I. Peled][Location] ::[Israel][Public Key] ::[0xD6F42CA5][Keyserver ] ::[keyserver.kjsl.com]encrypted/signedplain textpreferred-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux)iD8DBQFDDK+EA7Qvptb0LKURAt7XAJ4/cyJjmJbntB7GetIcJjaBk8ueJACggG8Re+UJU0SKphcCU6t6MkzJ9nA==tnzR-END PGP SIGNATURE--- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing listSigh... no indeed I did not use HTML with any kind of funky quoting. The message is encoded as multipart/alternative. There is a plain text section and an HTML section. Configure your email client properly to read whichever you want. It's the way Gmail does it, I use Gmail, I am not going to turn off all the features in Gmail to appease the gods that be on this list so just lay off or go yell at the dozens of other people that commit these heinous crimes every day on this list. For the love of Pete people stop hijacking threads to flame people. If you don't like what someone is doing tell them personally (or better yet ignore them), no need to reply to the list with your personal gripes. --=_Part_2740_31876174.1124903688568Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableContent-Disposition: inline -Mike-- Michael E. CruteSoftware DeveloperSoftGroup Development CorporationLinux, because reboots are for installing hardware.In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | You know bud, read some rules, be polite. There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but not by much. It's too bad that even *gmail*, the paragon of geek email, encourages top posting. :( And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change that. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
Jonathan Nichols schreef:
And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change
that.
Oh, for Pete's sake, you can change that in your Preferences in 5 seconds.
Edit=Account Preferences= Compostion and Addressing=Check the box
that says If I respond, quote the original text automatically (or
uncheck it to solve the entire issue), and then use the dropdown menu to
change start my response above the quoted text to start my response
below the quoted text. I mean, the only reason it's the default is
because the word above is alphabetically above the word below so the
above option appears first in the list.
While you're in the prefs, you might want to uncheck Compose messages
in HTML format (on the same dialog) as well.
Defaults are just that; default selections that the user can change if
desired. They're not set in stone ('default' in this context implies
that other choices exist and are available, as opposed to hard-coding,
which can't be changed by the user, so are not 'default' settings but
'fixed' settings).
Sorry to go OT again, but I just couldn't let that pass.
Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
Jonathan Nichols wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | You know bud, read some rules, be polite. There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but not by much. It's too bad that even *gmail*, the paragon of geek email, encourages top posting. :( And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change that. As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form. I'm using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the top. With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post. -- Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On Wednesday 24 August 2005 23:14, Anthony E. Caudel wrote: As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form. I'm using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the top. With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post. because, if you quote, then there is context. If you bottom-quote, I have to scroll down, read the quoted part, scroll up to read your message. Than, scroll down again, if something is hidden below your quoted block. You see how moronic that is? If you see a written question, do you write your aswer above? plus: the majority considers this as bad, that should be enough to quit it without making a fuss. Or you annoy the majority of potential helpfull users, even before they read your complete message. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form. I'm using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the top. With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post. Because we don't read from bottom up, we read from top down. For example, this comment by itself makes no sense (are we talking about how we read, etc.). The context of the previous post is needed to understand the context of the reply. Top posting means that you, as a reader, will need to scroll back and forth in order to understand what the context of the original post and the reply are. And things get even worse if you top post a reply that deals with part (but not all) of the original post; contextually it is sometimes difficult to determine which part of the original post the reply is intended for. This is why many of us will embed replies within the originally quoted text to ensure that the context of both the original post and the response are clear. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
A. Top posting! On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:14:08 -0500 Anthony E. Caudel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form. I'm | using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the | top. With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post. Q. What is the most annoying thing you can do on mailing lists? -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgplG4zUpcn8w.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On Wednesday 24 August 2005 09:14 pm, Anthony E. Caudel wrote: Jonathan Nichols wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | You know bud, read some rules, be polite. There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but not by much. It's too bad that even *gmail*, the paragon of geek email, encourages top posting. :( And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change that. As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form. I'm using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the top. With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post. I with you, brother... For me, top posting keeps me from having to wade through the entire message to get to the new response of the OP. I think most linux nerds (me included) distain top posting because it's the default setting of some email app that runs on the windows OS Jerry -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 FSF Associate Member number 2340 since 05/20/2004 Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net Buy an Xbox for $149.00, run linux on it and Microsoft loses $150.00! 5:46pm up 37 days, 17:45, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On 21:45 Wed 24 Aug , Jerry McBride wrote: For me, top posting keeps me from having to wade through the entire message to Well that wouldn't be a problem if people only quoted the bits of the email that were relevant to their reply. Apparently trimming the other bits is beyond most people though *shrug* -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
Holly Bostick wrote: Jonathan Nichols schreef: And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change that. Oh, for Pete's sake, you can change that in your Preferences in 5 seconds. Uuuh Holly, I'm quite aware of that. It's one of the very first things that I change. *Other users* are obviously *not* aware of it, and unfortunately, it's the default. Since many many many end users leave applications at their default settings, they top post. :P -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
For me, top posting keeps me from having to wade through the entire message to get to the new response of the OP. I think most linux nerds (me included) distain top posting because it's the default setting of some email app that runs on the windows OS It's also the default for Gmail and Thunderbird, as I mentioned before. Fortunately, Thunderbird lets you change it. Holly posted a nice little how-to as well.. ;) The biggest problem that I run into is more often than not, the top posting types leave the *entire email conversation* below their reply. They don't trim it. They end up causing *more* scrolling to get to the issue at hand. That's bad. I remember the days of netiquette. I guess I'm a grizzled old Usenet hippie. :| -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
Jerry McBride wrote: On Wednesday 24 August 2005 09:14 pm, Anthony E. Caudel wrote: Jonathan Nichols wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | You know bud, read some rules, be polite. There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but not by much. It's too bad that even *gmail*, the paragon of geek email, encourages top posting. :( And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change that. As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form. I'm using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the top. With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post. I with you, brother... For me, top posting keeps me from having to wade through the entire message to get to the new response of the OP. I think most linux nerds (me included) distain top posting because it's the default setting of some email app that runs on the windows OS Jerry Yes. However, I understand Hemmann and Nebinger's points. Makes sense in a way. But I don't usually start reading at the top. I usually will have already read previous comments and I just want to get to the latest. Too bad Thunderbird doesn't have a setting Start_Read_At_Bottom :-) Tony -- Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
On 08/24/05 19:01, Anthony E. Caudel wrote: Yes. However, I understand Hemmann and Nebinger's points. Makes sense in a way. But I don't usually start reading at the top. I usually will have already read previous comments and I just want to get to the latest. Too bad Thunderbird doesn't have a setting Start_Read_At_Bottom :-) Tony You could use the QuoteCollapse extension: URL:http://quotecollapse.mozdev.org/ I think there also may be an extension that does just that, but I can't say I have a link to one. -- Replace the point in my email address with a period to reply. ;-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
Hi all, one thing i miss from my previous debian system was the long description that one can acces with 'apt-cache show package'. I know that gentoo is a system for connected people (this means broad band in my country), this said, if you are online then you can go and check the web page of the project or do a search trough the web. But i miss the comfortability of checking some long descriptions at home, without the need to resort to search the web for every package that attracts my attention. I used this method before to look for new apps in my system that i may need and didn't know before. The questions would be: - why gentoo has decided that one line description is enough? - it's possible to implement long descriptions? (i mean in the political decision to do so, i know is technically viable with some LONG_DESCRIPTION item in ebuilds) -- Fernando Canizo - LUGMen: www.lugmen.org.ar - A8N: a8n.lugmen.org.ar sel need help: my first packet to my provider gets lost :-( netgod sel: dont send the first one, start with #2 * netgod is kidding -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The questions would be: - why gentoo has decided that one line description is enough? - it's possible to implement long descriptions? (i mean in the political decision to do so, i know is technically viable with some LONG_DESCRIPTION item in ebuilds) I think it's political correct to add this option to emerge, technically I would use the package metadata.xml file which contains a less brief explenation on what's the package about. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
