Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Help with emerge error msg

[allan gottlieb]

On Sun, Mar 10 2019, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

> On 10/03/2019 00:24, allan gottlieb wrote:
>>The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
>>  inspector? ( icu )
>>
>>The above constraints are a subset of the following complete expression:
>>  python_targets_python2_7 inspector? ( icu ssl ) npm? ( ssl )
>>
>> This seems more serious than a simple request to add the icu USE flag to
>> nodejs.
> That's actually exactly what that means. The ebuild states that if
> "inspector" is set, then you also need to set "icu" and "ssl".

Thank you corbin and nikos.

I guess I was led astray by the reference to python_targets* and thought
something more serious was being asked.

The build is now underway.

thanks again,
allan

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Help...can't decipher emerge oracle...

[Alan McKinnon]

On 16/11/2017 03:49, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> On 2017-11-15 18:40, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> 
>> Why is it trying to install the  version? Is that unmasked?
>>
>> Are you running stable or testing?
>>
>> What does "grep -r glibc /etc/portage" say?
>>
>> I don't think you posted the command that started all of this?
> 
> For some reason, these horrible dependency dumps never seem to happen to
> me.  Why is that?  Maybe because I run a "mostly stable" system?  I do
> have some very few "testing" packages enabled (ie. with ~amd64 flag).
> They all fit into a single terminal screen.

Running ~stable is likely the major reason, but of curse only you will
ever know for sure.

The whole point of ~arch[1] is to help get packages ready for stable.
Unstable users find the dependency snags that the single maintainer
can't weed out, we report them and log bugs and they get fixed. When the
package is stabilized, most of those funny bugs ought to be gone and
fixed. Yu mail can be read as proving that this system is working as
intended :-)


[1] It may or may not be documented to be this way, but it is how the
larger community are mostly using it.

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Help...can't decipher emerge oracle...

[tuxic]

On 11/15 05:49, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> On 2017-11-15 18:40, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> 
> > Why is it trying to install the  version? Is that unmasked?
> > 
> > Are you running stable or testing?
> > 
> > What does "grep -r glibc /etc/portage" say?
> > 
> > I don't think you posted the command that started all of this?
> 
> For some reason, these horrible dependency dumps never seem to happen to
> me.  Why is that?  Maybe because I run a "mostly stable" system?  I do
> have some very few "testing" packages enabled (ie. with ~amd64 flag).
> They all fit into a single terminal screen.
> 
> -- 
> Please don't Cc: me privately on mailing lists and Usenet,
> if you also post the followup to the list or newsgroup.
> To reply privately _only_ on Usenet, fetch the TXT record for the domain.
> 

Hi Ian,

I am happy to know, that your system is that stable and is not
effected by problems other will find, report and get fixed by using
the unstable version. ;)

Cheers
Meino

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help! IP blocking not working

[Alan McKinnon]

On 07/09/2016 18:39, Grant wrote:
>> Hi, my site is being ravaged by an IP but dropping the IP via
>> shorewall is seeming to have no effect.  I'm using his IP from nginx
>> logs.  IP blocking in shorewall has always worked before.  What could
>> be happening?
>
>
> I'm blocking like this with the firewall running on the web server:
>
> /etc/shorewall/rules
> DROPnet:1.2.3.4  $FW
>
> Could shorewall/iptables see a different IP address than the one seen by 
> nginx?


 Most likely the file is configured but the firewall service wasn't
 restarted or the rules no loaded.
>>>
>>>
>>> I restarted shorewall plenty.  :)  I believe the issue was either a
>>> persistent connection which conntrack-tools would have allowed me to
>>> flush, or my blocking in /etc/shorewall/rules instead of
>>> /etc/shorewall/blrules, or both.
>>>
>>
>> What exactly is your issue?  That is, what makes you think you even
>> have an issue?
>>
>> The reason I ask is that all iptables is going to do is drop packets
>> when they reach the kernel. They still go through your network and
>> network card and consume some CPU (even more if you're logging them).
>> If you're being flooded by a very large volume of packets then that
>> will saturate your connection and simply dropping them at the server
>> won't fix the latency this will cause for the good packets.  In such
>> an attack you need to block those packets as far upstream as you can
>> before connections start getting saturated.  This might be outside of
>> your network perimeter.  This is why DDoS attacks are so potent, if
>> you use something like fail2ban to just set iptables are done you're
>> fixing the barn doors after the horses have already left.
> 
> 
> I said I was under attack but it was really just an unthrottled and
> very greedy bot.  fail2ban would have gotten him.  But while we're on
> the subject, how would you recommend thwarting a DDoS attack against a
> dedicated server in a hosted environment?  Cloudflare?

A proper DDos? Phone your ISP and ask them to help you. You almost
certainly don't have the resources.


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help! IP blocking not working

[Rich Freeman]

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Grant  wrote:
>
> I said I was under attack but it was really just an unthrottled and
> very greedy bot.  fail2ban would have gotten him.  But while we're on
> the subject, how would you recommend thwarting a DDoS attack against a
> dedicated server in a hosted environment?  Cloudflare?
>

I'm sure there are others who have more knowledge, but in general
these probably require help outside the network.

If your ISP isn't saturated they might be able to filter out the
attack.  However, services that distribute your service across
multiple networks will almost certainly help by diluting attacks.

The whole idea of a DDoS is that all the attackers use a little
bandwidth, but as the attacks approach your site they become more and
more concentrated, so that packets in have plenty of bandwidth to make
it to your site, but your own network (and possibly your ISP's) end up
being overwhelmed.  By dispersing your service globally you force the
attackers to target more network connections, which dilutes their
bandwidth.

Put another way, one server farm running on one 100Mbps connection is
a lot easier to attack than 100 server farms globally each with a
100Mbps connection (perhaps each shared with 10,000 other sites).

-- 
Rich

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help! IP blocking not working

[Grant]

> Hi, my site is being ravaged by an IP but dropping the IP via
> shorewall is seeming to have no effect.  I'm using his IP from nginx
> logs.  IP blocking in shorewall has always worked before.  What could
> be happening?


 I'm blocking like this with the firewall running on the web server:

 /etc/shorewall/rules
 DROPnet:1.2.3.4  $FW

 Could shorewall/iptables see a different IP address than the one seen by 
 nginx?
>>>
>>>
>>> Most likely the file is configured but the firewall service wasn't
>>> restarted or the rules no loaded.
>>
>>
>> I restarted shorewall plenty.  :)  I believe the issue was either a
>> persistent connection which conntrack-tools would have allowed me to
>> flush, or my blocking in /etc/shorewall/rules instead of
>> /etc/shorewall/blrules, or both.
>>
>
> What exactly is your issue?  That is, what makes you think you even
> have an issue?
>
> The reason I ask is that all iptables is going to do is drop packets
> when they reach the kernel. They still go through your network and
> network card and consume some CPU (even more if you're logging them).
> If you're being flooded by a very large volume of packets then that
> will saturate your connection and simply dropping them at the server
> won't fix the latency this will cause for the good packets.  In such
> an attack you need to block those packets as far upstream as you can
> before connections start getting saturated.  This might be outside of
> your network perimeter.  This is why DDoS attacks are so potent, if
> you use something like fail2ban to just set iptables are done you're
> fixing the barn doors after the horses have already left.


I said I was under attack but it was really just an unthrottled and
very greedy bot.  fail2ban would have gotten him.  But while we're on
the subject, how would you recommend thwarting a DDoS attack against a
dedicated server in a hosted environment?  Cloudflare?

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help! IP blocking not working

[Rich Freeman]

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Grant  wrote:
 Hi, my site is being ravaged by an IP but dropping the IP via
 shorewall is seeming to have no effect.  I'm using his IP from nginx
 logs.  IP blocking in shorewall has always worked before.  What could
 be happening?
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm blocking like this with the firewall running on the web server:
>>>
>>> /etc/shorewall/rules
>>> DROPnet:1.2.3.4  $FW
>>>
>>> Could shorewall/iptables see a different IP address than the one seen by 
>>> nginx?
>>
>>
>> Most likely the file is configured but the firewall service wasn't
>> restarted or the rules no loaded.
>
>
> I restarted shorewall plenty.  :)  I believe the issue was either a
> persistent connection which conntrack-tools would have allowed me to
> flush, or my blocking in /etc/shorewall/rules instead of
> /etc/shorewall/blrules, or both.
>

What exactly is your issue?  That is, what makes you think you even
have an issue?

The reason I ask is that all iptables is going to do is drop packets
when they reach the kernel. They still go through your network and
network card and consume some CPU (even more if you're logging them).
If you're being flooded by a very large volume of packets then that
will saturate your connection and simply dropping them at the server
won't fix the latency this will cause for the good packets.  In such
an attack you need to block those packets as far upstream as you can
before connections start getting saturated.  This might be outside of
your network perimeter.  This is why DDoS attacks are so potent, if
you use something like fail2ban to just set iptables are done you're
fixing the barn doors after the horses have already left.

-- 
Rich

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help! IP blocking not working

[Grant]

>>> Hi, my site is being ravaged by an IP but dropping the IP via
>>> shorewall is seeming to have no effect.  I'm using his IP from nginx
>>> logs.  IP blocking in shorewall has always worked before.  What could
>>> be happening?
>>
>>
>> I'm blocking like this with the firewall running on the web server:
>>
>> /etc/shorewall/rules
>> DROPnet:1.2.3.4  $FW
>>
>> Could shorewall/iptables see a different IP address than the one seen by 
>> nginx?
>
>
> Most likely the file is configured but the firewall service wasn't
> restarted or the rules no loaded.


I restarted shorewall plenty.  :)  I believe the issue was either a
persistent connection which conntrack-tools would have allowed me to
flush, or my blocking in /etc/shorewall/rules instead of
/etc/shorewall/blrules, or both.


> But as Jeremi pointed out. failsban is a far superior tool for this.
> Ossec with it's active response is also good.
> There are quite a few more tools in this space, and they all work much
> the same way - scan logs looking for dodgy stuff going on the
> dynamically apply a packet filter rule. The software also does it all
> day every day, and that's a record you the human cannot hope to match :-)


I'm happy to say fail2ban is running now:

# fail2ban-client status
Status
|- Number of jail: 10
`- Jail list: nginx-botsearch, nginx-http-auth, nginx-limit-req,
pam-generic, php-url-fopen, postfix, postfix-rbl, postfix-sasl, sshd,
sshd-ddos

I should probably play with the config a bit.  I'm pretty much using
defaults.  For example I think the sshd hackers make their attempts
really slowly but it would be nice to ban them anyway:

# fail2ban-client status sshd
Status for the jail: sshd
|- Filter
|  |- Currently failed: 2
|  |- Total failed: 58
|  `- File list: /var/log/sshd/current
`- Actions
   |- Currently banned: 0
   |- Total banned: 3
   `- Banned IP list:

Also I wish fail2ban-client would display a tally of all fails and
bans with a single command.

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help! IP blocking not working

[J. Roeleveld]

On September 6, 2016 10:57:54 PM GMT+02:00, Grant  wrote:
>> Hi, my site is being ravaged by an IP but dropping the IP via
>> shorewall is seeming to have no effect.  I'm using his IP from nginx
>> logs.  IP blocking in shorewall has always worked before.  What could
>> be happening?
>
>
>I'm blocking like this with the firewall running on the web server:
>
>/etc/shorewall/rules
>DROPnet:1.2.3.4  $FW
>
>Could shorewall/iptables see a different IP address than the one seen
>by nginx?
>
>- Grant

Did you reload the firewall rules?

--
Joost

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help! IP blocking not working

[Alan McKinnon]

On 06/09/2016 22:57, Grant wrote:
>> Hi, my site is being ravaged by an IP but dropping the IP via
>> shorewall is seeming to have no effect.  I'm using his IP from nginx
>> logs.  IP blocking in shorewall has always worked before.  What could
>> be happening?
> 
> 
> I'm blocking like this with the firewall running on the web server:
> 
> /etc/shorewall/rules
> DROPnet:1.2.3.4  $FW
> 
> Could shorewall/iptables see a different IP address than the one seen by 
> nginx?


Most likely the file is configured but the firewall service wasn't
restarted or the rules no loaded.

Be careful with that one - it's all too easy to *think* you reloaded
them when you didn't and one's own confirmation bias kicks in. I see it
daily with everyone in my team (me included)

But as Jeremi pointed out. failsban is a far superior tool for this.
Ossec with it's active response is also good.
There are quite a few more tools in this space, and they all work much
the same way - scan logs looking for dodgy stuff going on the
dynamically apply a packet filter rule. The software also does it all
day every day, and that's a record you the human cannot hope to match :-)

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help! IP blocking not working

[Jeremi Piotrowski]

On Tue, Sep 06, 2016 at 01:57:54PM -0700, Grant wrote:
> > Hi, my site is being ravaged by an IP but dropping the IP via
> > shorewall is seeming to have no effect.  I'm using his IP from nginx
> > logs.

What you really need is to set up net-anlyzer/fail2ban and not do this
kind of stuff manually. It automates parsing logs for attacks and setting
up persistent iptables rules to block them.

As soon as I assigned a dns domain name to my home ssh-server and made it
available externally I was getting attacked by multiple IP addresses from
china, and as soon as one IP was banned they came at me with another one.
After I set up fail2ban and set a low preauth limit along with lifetime
bans, this whole cat-and-mouse game started going more to my liking.

Highly recommend you try it, it comes with lots of predefined
rules/templates that you can choose from (I see nginx-botsearch and
nginx-http-auth are included).

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X

[Mick]

On Monday 21 February 2011 04:07:20 Valmor de Almeida wrote:

 otherwise my keyboard keybindings do not work. I have also tried the
 pointer InputClass outside the xorg.conf file, that is, inside the
 xorg.conf.d/ directory. As long as the 10-synaptics.conf file is read
 first, the keyboard config works so do the usb mouse and trackpoint
 (with inverted buttons). However so far I have not been able to get the
 touchpad buttons to be inverted.
 
 This is a minor thing I can deal with later.

Try, as man synaptics suggest, to set in your synaptics: TapButton1=3 as an 
option and see if that works.
-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X

[Mick]

On Sunday 20 February 2011 00:25:24 Valmor de Almeida wrote:
 On 02/19/2011 06:59 PM, Mick wrote:
 [snip]
 
  On two laptops of mine evdev causes untold confusion with the touchpad
  and second language selection for the keyboard.  I *have* to use the
  synaptics and keyboard input drivers.  I'm also using mouse (because it
  doesn't hurt I guess).
  
  I tried of course to remove them all and leave evdev initially, but it
  all went horribly wrong.  Perhaps evdev will catch up eventually, I just
  hope synaptics and keyboard don't default into being deprecated before
  then.

I think I should at least partly retract some of the above statement - with 
x11-base/xorg-server-1.9.4 I have managed to unmerge x11-drivers/xf86-input-
keyboard and x11-drivers/xf86-input-mouse and evdev seems to still pick up my 
mouse and keyboard.

I had to comment out the following three entries first in my xorg.conf:
#
Section ServerLayout
Identifier X.org Configured
Screen  0  Screen0 0 0
#   InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer
#   InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard
#   Option AllowEmptyInput off
EndSection
#

and also added appropriate Section InputClass parts for mouse and keyboard 
in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but commented out similar parts in 
/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf.

 I am using evdev and synaptics only on a thinkpad t201. Without an
 xorg.conf, all works including when I connect an usb mouse. However I am
 trying to configure the touchpad, trackpoint and extended buttons to
 work as left-hand; that is I would like to have the 3 buttons reversed.
 
 I have not been lucky so far. In fact I've read on the web about some
 new (relative to xorg 1.7) syntax for the xorg.conf file. Does anyone
 know about a site with humanly friendly information on how to write a
 modern xorg.conf file? 

Have you had a look at:

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/xorg-server-1.8-upgrade-guide.xml

Also, have a read of the InputClass section in man xorg.conf and the files in 
/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/.


 In addition to the devices I mentioned above I am
 also trying to setup an external monitor as a hotplug virtual screen.
 
 For instance, things like this do not work:
 
 
 Section InputClass
 Identifier TouchPad

Change this line to:

Identifier touchpad catchall

Or, you can also try:

Identifier synaptics touchpad catchall

 MatchIsTouchpad on
 Driver synaptics
 #Option SHMConfig on
 Option VertTwoFingerScroll on
 EndSection
 
 In the past I used
 
 Option ButtonMapping 3 2 1

Do you want this to work for your touchpad with the synaptics driver, or do 
you want this to work with any physical buttons on the laptop, or even an 
external (e.g. USB) mouse?

If the former, then have a look at the NOTES at the end of the man synaptics 
page, where it mentions button mapping.

For non tap buttons you can try setting this option in an InputClass section 
in your xorg.conf for an InputClass device mouse:

Section InputClass
Identifier  mouse catchall
Driver  evdev
MatchIsPointer on
MatchDevicePath /dev/input/event*
Option  Protocol auto
Option ButtonMapping 3 2 1
EndSection

 which apparently does not work here. Last but not least, how do I get
 the good old  ctrl-alt-backspace  keybinding to kill X?

You'll need to define this in the InputClass that deals with the keyboard:

Section InputClass
   Identifier  keyboard catchall
   Driver  evdev
   MatchIsKeyboard on
   MatchDevicePath /dev/input/event*
   Option XkbLayout gb
   Option XkbOptions terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
EndSection

HTH.
-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:48:17 -0500, Valmor de Almeida wrote:

 Thanks for the help. This was less painful than I thought. However it
 exposed a internet connection problem. I am using wicd for wireless and
 wired internet config. This laptop happened to be in a place where no
 wired internet is available. Since I use the wicd-client X config
 utility I was not able to connect to the internet while X was down.
 There is a wicd-cli but the man page is empty. I guess I will have to
 get some info on how to use wicd-cli on an emergency like this.

The man page is empty but wicd-cli --help will shoe that that this is not
what you want. You need wicd-curses, but wicd-client should call that for
you when X is unavailable.

If you have auto-connect enabled for your ESSID, you don't even need
that, wicd will connect as soon as it starts at boot.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

I distinctly remember forgetting that.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X

[Valmor de Almeida]

On 02/20/2011 12:53 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:48:17 -0500, Valmor de Almeida wrote:
 
 Thanks for the help. This was less painful than I thought. However it
 exposed a internet connection problem. I am using wicd for wireless and
 wired internet config. This laptop happened to be in a place where no
 wired internet is available. Since I use the wicd-client X config
 utility I was not able to connect to the internet while X was down.
 There is a wicd-cli but the man page is empty. I guess I will have to
 get some info on how to use wicd-cli on an emergency like this.
 
 The man page is empty but wicd-cli --help will shoe that that this is not
 what you want. You need wicd-curses, but wicd-client should call that for
 you when X is unavailable.
 
 If you have auto-connect enabled for your ESSID, you don't even need
 that, wicd will connect as soon as it starts at boot.
 
 
Indeed, wicd-curses does the job.

Thanks,

--
Valmor

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X

[Valmor de Almeida]

On 02/20/2011 10:03 AM, Mick wrote:
[snip]
 
 Have you had a look at:
 
 http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/xorg-server-1.8-upgrade-guide.xml

Yes. Got some info there.

 
 Also, have a read of the InputClass section in man xorg.conf and the files in 
 /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/.

This was helpful.
 
 
[snip]

 In the past I used

 Option ButtonMapping 3 2 1
 
 Do you want this to work for your touchpad with the synaptics driver, or do 
 you want this to work with any physical buttons on the laptop, or even an 
 external (e.g. USB) mouse?

The latter.

 
 If the former, then have a look at the NOTES at the end of the man synaptics 
 page, where it mentions button mapping.

man pages (evdev and xorg.conf) were really helpful.

 
 For non tap buttons you can try setting this option in an InputClass section 
 in your xorg.conf for an InputClass device mouse:
 
 Section InputClass
 Identifier  mouse catchall
 Driver  evdev
 MatchIsPointer on
 MatchDevicePath /dev/input/event*
 Option  Protocol auto
 Option ButtonMapping 3 2 1
 EndSection

I tried the above for the Identifier evdev pointer catchall in the
xorg.conf file and both the usb mouse and trackpoint get their buttons
inverted as desired. However the touchpad buttons do not get inverted. I
am using xorg.conf.d/ with the synaptics file: 10-synaptics.conf

Section InputClass
 Identifier synaptics touchpad catchall
 Driver synaptics
 Option Protocol auto-dev
 Option HorizEdgeScroll true
 Option VertEdgeScroll true
 Option AutoServerLayout on
EndSection

which apparently needs to be read before the keyboard conf: 30-keyboard.conf

Section InputClass
 Identifier evdev keyboard catchall
 MatchIsKeyboard on
 MatchDevicePath /dev/input/event*
 Driver evdev
 Option XkbOptions terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
 Option AutoSeverLayout on
EndSection

otherwise my keyboard keybindings do not work. I have also tried the
pointer InputClass outside the xorg.conf file, that is, inside the
xorg.conf.d/ directory. As long as the 10-synaptics.conf file is read
first, the keyboard config works so do the usb mouse and trackpoint
(with inverted buttons). However so far I have not been able to get the
touchpad buttons to be inverted.

This is a minor thing I can deal with later.

Thanks,

--
Valmor



 
 which apparently does not work here. Last but not least, how do I get
 the good old  ctrl-alt-backspace  keybinding to kill X?
 
 You'll need to define this in the InputClass that deals with the keyboard:
 
 Section InputClass
Identifier  keyboard catchall
Driver  evdev
MatchIsKeyboard on
MatchDevicePath /dev/input/event*
Option XkbLayout gb
Option XkbOptions terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
 EndSection
 
 HTH.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X

[Dale]

Valmor de Almeida wrote:

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Nikos Chantziarasrea...@arcor.de  wrote:
   

On 02/19/2011 07:44 PM, Valmor de Almeida wrote:
 

[...]
I have just updated xorg to 1.9.4 with USE -hal and removed hal in
this order (also needed to remove hal from the default run level).  I
tried startx using the existing xorg.conf and X does not start
correctly, I have no mouse and a frozen screen (no keyboard) with the
arrow cursor placed in the middle of the screen. I also tried to start
X without an xorg.conf; same problem.
   

Since you removed HAL support, did you enable udev support?
 

I am not sure how to do this. Is it a matter of adding a USE=udev in
/etc/make.conf ?
  SNIP
Thanks,

--
Valmor
   


That's where mine is.  Just add it and do a emerge -Na world to see what 
changes.


Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X

[Valmor de Almeida]

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote:
 On 02/19/2011 07:44 PM, Valmor de Almeida wrote:

 [...]
 I have just updated xorg to 1.9.4 with USE -hal and removed hal in
 this order (also needed to remove hal from the default run level).  I
 tried startx using the existing xorg.conf and X does not start
 correctly, I have no mouse and a frozen screen (no keyboard) with the
 arrow cursor placed in the middle of the screen. I also tried to start
 X without an xorg.conf; same problem.

 Since you removed HAL support, did you enable udev support?

I am not sure how to do this. Is it a matter of adding a USE=udev in
/etc/make.conf ?



 emerge --depclean -vp
 Dependencies could not be completely resolved due to
 the following required packages not being installed:

    sys-apps/hal  pulled in by:
        x11-drivers/xf86-input-synaptics-1.2.1

 Check your package.use.  Also try to unmerge xf86-input-synaptics and then
 emerge it again.

Another check on my system shows:

emerge --search xf86-input-synaptics
 Latest version available: 1.3.0
 Latest version installed: 1.2.1

emerge --search xf86-input-evdev
 Latest version available: 2.6.0
 Latest version available: 2.4.0

I don't emerge them directly. They are pulled in by xorg-drivers which
I have re-emerged several times. Don't know why the latest versions of
the drivers don't get installed. Is this the way to force the update
without recording into world:

 emerge --oneshot xf86-input-synaptics xf86-input-evdev

Thanks,

--
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X

[Valmor de Almeida]

On 02/19/2011 01:24 PM, Valmor de Almeida wrote:
 On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote:
 On 02/19/2011 07:44 PM, Valmor de Almeida wrote:
[snip]
 emerge --depclean -vp
 Dependencies could not be completely resolved due to
 the following required packages not being installed:

sys-apps/hal  pulled in by:
x11-drivers/xf86-input-synaptics-1.2.1

[snip]
 
  emerge --oneshot xf86-input-synaptics xf86-input-evdev

This fixed the problem of hal being pulled in.

--
Valmor

 
 Thanks,
 
 --
 Valmor

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X

[Valmor de Almeida]

On 02/19/2011 01:46 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
[snip]

 INPUT_DEVICES=keyboard mouse evdev

 Don't forget to enable udev as Mike suggested too. I put mine in the USE
 line. After all, about all hardware now uses udev to see hardware.
 
 You only need evdev.  keyboard and mouse are deprecated drivers. 
 They have bugs that no one appears to be fixing anymore.
 
 

I am only using evdev and finally got my X Window server working fine.
Need to do some fine tuning to get a left-hand mouse working. Amazing
that the mouse pad works and so does the mouse pointing keyboard stick.

There is little from hal to clean up. Apparently only the /etc/hal
directory with some policy files were left there since they did not
belong to hal originally.

Thanks for the help. This was less painful than I thought. However it
exposed a internet connection problem. I am using wicd for wireless and
wired internet config. This laptop happened to be in a place where no
wired internet is available. Since I use the wicd-client X config
utility I was not able to connect to the internet while X was down.
There is a wicd-cli but the man page is empty. I guess I will have to
get some info on how to use wicd-cli on an emergency like this.

--
Valmor

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X

[Dale]

Nikos Chantziaras wrote:


You only need evdev.  keyboard and mouse are deprecated drivers. 
They have bugs that no one appears to be fixing anymore.





I been wondering about that but never saw emerge  complain so I left it 
in there, after all, it is working so why try to fix it.  I'll remove 
that since it isn't needed and buggy.


Thanks for the update.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X

[Valmor de Almeida]

On 02/19/2011 03:41 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
 On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote:
 On 02/19/2011 10:14 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
 SNIP
 Should I be enabling udev globally in make.conf? I'm currently not. I
 do have it on xorg-server so I'm not seeing the OP's issue, but I
 never wanted to get into making my own udev rules.

 I can only comment on what individual packages do with the udev flag.  I
 can't possibly know what each and every package in portage does when udev is
 enabled globally :-/
 
 Of course. At the time I really meant the question to ask what people are 
 doing.
 
 On my machines currently the only package with a udev flag is
 xorg-server so it's easy.
 
 Cheers,
 Mark
 

I enabled the udev flag in make.conf and after


emerge --pretend --verbose --newuse --update --tree --with-bdeps=y world

Only vlc needed to be reemerged. Apparently the udev flag was already
set for xorg-server.

--
Valmor

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X

[Mark Knecht]

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote:
 On 02/19/2011 08:32 PM, Dale wrote:

 Mark Knecht wrote:

SNIP
 Don't forget to enable udev as Mike suggested too. I put mine in the USE
 line. After all, about all hardware now uses udev to see hardware.

 You only need evdev.  keyboard and mouse are deprecated drivers. They
 have bugs that no one appears to be fixing anymore.

That's good to know. As I said, I was guessing. I'll remove them from my setup.

Should I be enabling udev globally in make.conf? I'm currently not. I
do have it on xorg-server so I'm not seeing the OP's issue, but I
never wanted to get into making my own udev rules.

Thanks,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X

[Mark Knecht]

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote:
 On 02/19/2011 10:14 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
SNIP
 Should I be enabling udev globally in make.conf? I'm currently not. I
 do have it on xorg-server so I'm not seeing the OP's issue, but I
 never wanted to get into making my own udev rules.

 I can only comment on what individual packages do with the udev flag.  I
 can't possibly know what each and every package in portage does when udev is
 enabled globally :-/

Of course. At the time I really meant the question to ask what people are doing.

On my machines currently the only package with a udev flag is
xorg-server so it's easy.

Cheers,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X

[Mick]

On Saturday 19 February 2011 20:41:42 Mark Knecht wrote:
 On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote:
  On 02/19/2011 10:14 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
 SNIP
 
  Should I be enabling udev globally in make.conf? I'm currently not. I
  do have it on xorg-server so I'm not seeing the OP's issue, but I
  never wanted to get into making my own udev rules.
  
  I can only comment on what individual packages do with the udev flag.  I
  can't possibly know what each and every package in portage does when udev
  is enabled globally :-/
 
 Of course. At the time I really meant the question to ask what people are
 doing.
 
 On my machines currently the only package with a udev flag is
 xorg-server so it's easy.

On two laptops of mine evdev causes untold confusion with the touchpad and 
second language selection for the keyboard.  I *have* to use the synaptics and 
keyboard input drivers.  I'm also using mouse (because it doesn't hurt I 
guess).

I tried of course to remove them all and leave evdev initially, but it all 
went horribly wrong.  Perhaps evdev will catch up eventually, I just hope 
synaptics and keyboard don't default into being deprecated before then.
-- 
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Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help with xorg-server-1.9.4 and no hal; broken mouse/keyboard/X

[Valmor de Almeida]

On 02/19/2011 06:59 PM, Mick wrote:
[snip]
 
 On two laptops of mine evdev causes untold confusion with the touchpad and 
 second language selection for the keyboard.  I *have* to use the synaptics 
 and 
 keyboard input drivers.  I'm also using mouse (because it doesn't hurt I 
 guess).
 
 I tried of course to remove them all and leave evdev initially, but it all 
 went horribly wrong.  Perhaps evdev will catch up eventually, I just hope 
 synaptics and keyboard don't default into being deprecated before then.

I am using evdev and synaptics only on a thinkpad t201. Without an
xorg.conf, all works including when I connect an usb mouse. However I am
trying to configure the touchpad, trackpoint and extended buttons to
work as left-hand; that is I would like to have the 3 buttons reversed.

I have not been lucky so far. In fact I've read on the web about some
new (relative to xorg 1.7) syntax for the xorg.conf file. Does anyone
know about a site with humanly friendly information on how to write a
modern xorg.conf file? In addition to the devices I mentioned above I am
also trying to setup an external monitor as a hotplug virtual screen.

For instance, things like this do not work:


Section InputClass
Identifier TouchPad
MatchIsTouchpad on
Driver synaptics
#Option SHMConfig on
Option VertTwoFingerScroll on
EndSection

In the past I used

Option ButtonMapping 3 2 1

which apparently does not work here. Last but not least, how do I get
the good old  ctrl-alt-backspace  keybinding to kill X?

Thanks,

--
Valmor

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help renaming files

[luis jure]

on 2010-04-07 at 20:01 Kerin Millar wrote:

It can be done with Perl.

i was afraid someone was going to say that... :-)


 perl -M'encoding utf8' -MUnicode::Normalize -pe
 '$_=NFKD($_);s/\pM//og'

that works great, kerin, thank you! no idea though what $_=NFKD($_)
might mean... that's fine, i'll write it down in a script for future
use.

best,

lj

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

KH wrote:

Am 24.03.2010 23:18, schrieb Dale:

Alex Schuster wrote:

Is there a bug report files already?


I haven't filed one. I'm just hoping someone has.


Filling bug reports is important. I filled over 50 on b.g.o this year 
alone. All of them are version bumps or bad homepages. Some programs 
haven't been bumped for 5 years.


kh




That is true but I don't have a account there.  Someone else does so 
they filed it for me.  I don't guess it matters who files it as long as 
it is filed.


Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Stroller]

On 29 Mar 2010, at 13:22, Dale wrote:

...
Filling bug reports is important. I filled over 50 on b.g.o this  
year alone. All of them are version bumps or bad homepages. Some  
programs haven't been bumped for 5 years.


That is true but I don't have a account there.  Someone else does so  
they filed it for me.  I don't guess it matters who files it as long  
as it is filed.


It's helpful if you can subscribe to email updates, and help test when  
revisions are available.


Sometimes an ebuild is posted to as an attachment to the bug - you  
download it and add it to your local overlay. Thus you may get the  
updated version before it's available in the Portage tree (some  
ebuilds are attached to bugs for packages which never become accepted)  
and you can at least add a works for me comment and encourage the  
devs by remarking how useful it is to you.


Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Paul Hartman]

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Stroller
strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote:

 On 29 Mar 2010, at 13:22, Dale wrote:

 ...
 Filling bug reports is important. I filled over 50 on b.g.o this year
 alone. All of them are version bumps or bad homepages. Some programs haven't
 been bumped for 5 years.

 That is true but I don't have a account there.  Someone else does so they
 filed it for me.  I don't guess it matters who files it as long as it is
 filed.

 It's helpful if you can subscribe to email updates, and help test when
 revisions are available.

 Sometimes an ebuild is posted to as an attachment to the bug - you download
 it and add it to your local overlay. Thus you may get the updated version
 before it's available in the Portage tree (some ebuilds are attached to bugs
 for packages which never become accepted) and you can at least add a works
 for me comment and encourage the devs by remarking how useful it is to you.

And even if you've got nothing new to contribute to the problem, you
can vote for bugs that are important to you.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Paul Hartman wrote:

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Stroller
strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk  wrote:
   

On 29 Mar 2010, at 13:22, Dale wrote:
 

...
Filling bug reports is important. I filled over 50 on b.g.o this year
alone. All of them are version bumps or bad homepages. Some programs haven't
been bumped for 5 years.
 

That is true but I don't have a account there.  Someone else does so they
filed it for me.  I don't guess it matters who files it as long as it is
filed.
   

It's helpful if you can subscribe to email updates, and help test when
revisions are available.

Sometimes an ebuild is posted to as an attachment to the bug - you download
it and add it to your local overlay. Thus you may get the updated version
before it's available in the Portage tree (some ebuilds are attached to bugs
for packages which never become accepted) and you can at least add a works
for me comment and encourage the devs by remarking how useful it is to you.
 

And even if you've got nothing new to contribute to the problem, you
can vote for bugs that are important to you.

   


This wasn't filed on Gentoo's bug report.  It was filed on KDE's bug 
report.  So it's not a ebuild issue, it's just a lack of coding from 
upstream.  I have a Gentoo account but I rarely file anything.


Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[dan blum]

If one tries to modify the ebuild and test a change, the system issues a file 
size error. How do you get around that?

--- On Mon, 3/29/10, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 11:11 AM
 On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:11 AM,
 Stroller
 strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk
 wrote:
 
  On 29 Mar 2010, at 13:22, Dale wrote:
 
  ...
  Filling bug reports is important. I filled
 over 50 on b.g.o this year
  alone. All of them are version bumps or bad
 homepages. Some programs haven't
  been bumped for 5 years.
 
  That is true but I don't have a account
 there.  Someone else does so they
  filed it for me.  I don't guess it matters
 who files it as long as it is
  filed.
 
  It's helpful if you can subscribe to email updates,
 and help test when
  revisions are available.
 
  Sometimes an ebuild is posted to as an attachment to
 the bug - you download
  it and add it to your local overlay. Thus you may get
 the updated version
  before it's available in the Portage tree (some
 ebuilds are attached to bugs
  for packages which never become accepted) and you can
 at least add a works
  for me comment and encourage the devs by remarking
 how useful it is to you.
 
 And even if you've got nothing new to contribute to the
 problem, you
 can vote for bugs that are important to you.
 
 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 30 March 2010 01:57:05 dan blum wrote:
 If one tries to modify the ebuild and test a change, the system issues a
 file size error. How do you get around that?


ebuild /path/to/ebuild/file.ebuild manifest

explanation: man ebuild

However, your next --sync will revert your change. Copy the ebuild to your 
private overlay and modify it there to preserve your changes.

More details: portage documentation gotten via:

equery files portage | grep man






 
 --- On Mon, 3/29/10, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote:
  From: Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help
  To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
  Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 11:11 AM
  On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:11 AM,
  Stroller
  strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk
  
  wrote:
   On 29 Mar 2010, at 13:22, Dale wrote:
   ...
   Filling bug reports is important. I filled
  
  over 50 on b.g.o this year
  
   alone. All of them are version bumps or bad
  
  homepages. Some programs haven't
  
   been bumped for 5 years.
   
   That is true but I don't have a account
  
  there.  Someone else does so they
  
   filed it for me.  I don't guess it matters
  
  who files it as long as it is
  
   filed.
   
   It's helpful if you can subscribe to email updates,
  
  and help test when
  
   revisions are available.
   
   Sometimes an ebuild is posted to as an attachment to
  
  the bug - you download
  
   it and add it to your local overlay. Thus you may get
  
  the updated version
  
   before it's available in the Portage tree (some
  
  ebuilds are attached to bugs
  
   for packages which never become accepted) and you can
  
  at least add a works
  
   for me comment and encourage the devs by remarking
  
  how useful it is to you.
  
  And even if you've got nothing new to contribute to the
  problem, you
  can vote for bugs that are important to you.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Frank Steinmetzger]

Am Donnerstag, 25. März 2010 schrieb Dale:

 I want the desktop slideshow to be sequential instead of random.
 Is there a bug report files already?
 I haven't filed one.  I'm just hoping someone has.
 If you are like me and don’t wanna create another bug tracker account
 just for one bug, I offer my help by filing the bug, if you want. ;-)
 If you wold like to that would be fine.  I would just like some way to
 disable the random part of the slide show.

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=232517 :-)
-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Frank Steinmetzger wrote:

Am Donnerstag, 25. März 2010 schrieb Dale:

   

I want the desktop slideshow to be sequential instead of random.
 

Is there a bug report files already?
   

I haven't filed one.  I'm just hoping someone has.
 

If you are like me and don’t wanna create another bug tracker account
just for one bug, I offer my help by filing the bug, if you want. ;-)
   

If you wold like to that would be fine.  I would just like some way to
disable the random part of the slide show.
 

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=232517 :-)
   


Yeppie !  Thanks for filing that for me.  Maybe it will pop up in a 
couple more releases.  Surely it can't be hard to disable it.  I would 
think it was harder to enable it.  lol


Thanks again.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[KH]

Am 26.03.2010 00:24, schrieb Dale:


I would have to modify the script since it does random too. If KDE4
isn't broke now, I would surely finish it off if I started writing
scripts. LOL I would think it could be disabled somehow but the folks on
KDE mailing list couldn't find a way either. I even searched around in
the config files and maybe changing a USE flag. Still nothing yet. I
really think it will be there eventually tho.

Here's to hoping.

Dale

:-) :-)



USE=-random emerge kde4  -  Having something like that would be fun :-)

kh

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

KH wrote:

Am 26.03.2010 00:24, schrieb Dale:


I would have to modify the script since it does random too. If KDE4
isn't broke now, I would surely finish it off if I started writing
scripts. LOL I would think it could be disabled somehow but the folks on
KDE mailing list couldn't find a way either. I even searched around in
the config files and maybe changing a USE flag. Still nothing yet. I
really think it will be there eventually tho.

Here's to hoping.

Dale

:-) :-)



USE=-random emerge kde4  -  Having something like that would be fun :-)

kh




Just for giggles:

r...@smoker ~ # euse -i random
global use flags (searching: random)

no matching entries found

local use flags (searching: random)

no matching entries found
r...@smoker ~ #

Maybe it will be added later.   LOL  What gets me, this is so simple and 
trivial.  It sure does mess up my slide show tho.


Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Frank Steinmetzger]

Am Mittwoch, 24. März 2010 schrieb Dale:
 Alex Schuster wrote:
  Dale writes:
  Since someone else mentioned KDE4, I do look forward to 4.5.  I'm
  hoping for some fixes too.  I want the desktop slideshow to be
  sequential instead of random.  I have a lot of pics that are taken to
  be a slideshow but if done in random order, they make no sense at all.
  All I need is a little check box to disable the random part.
  
  Is there a bug report files already?
 
 I haven't filed one.  I'm just hoping someone has.

*g* that’s the right approach. Last week I filed a bug for Amarok that’s been 
there for months now, so I assumed it was already known. It turned out that it 
wasn’t (at least to the devs).

If you are like me and don’t wanna create another bug tracker account just for 
one bug, I offer my help by filing the bug, if you want. ;-)
-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Frank Steinmetzger wrote:

Am Mittwoch, 24. März 2010 schrieb Dale:
   

Alex Schuster wrote:
 

Dale writes:
   

Since someone else mentioned KDE4, I do look forward to 4.5.  I'm
hoping for some fixes too.  I want the desktop slideshow to be
sequential instead of random.  I have a lot of pics that are taken to
be a slideshow but if done in random order, they make no sense at all.
All I need is a little check box to disable the random part.
 

Is there a bug report files already?
   

I haven't filed one.  I'm just hoping someone has.
 

*g* that’s the right approach. Last week I filed a bug for Amarok that’s been
there for months now, so I assumed it was already known. It turned out that it
wasn’t (at least to the devs).

If you are like me and don’t wanna create another bug tracker account just for
one bug, I offer my help by filing the bug, if you want. ;-)
   


If you wold like to that would be fine.  I would just like some way to 
disable the random part of the slide show.  The slide show in KDE3 was 
not random so I figure a option will be added at some point.  Then 
again, maybe not.


Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Paul Hartman]

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Since someone else mentioned KDE4, I do look forward to 4.5.  I'm hoping for
 some fixes too.  I want the desktop slideshow to be sequential instead of
 random.  I have a lot of pics that are taken to be a slideshow but if done
 in random order, they make no sense at all.   All I need is a little check
 box to disable the random part.

If you're not afraid of doing a little scripting you might be able to
whip something together yourself using this:

http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Scripted+Image+Wallpaper+Plugin?content=115147

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Paul Hartman wrote:

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com  wrote:
   

Since someone else mentioned KDE4, I do look forward to 4.5.  I'm hoping for
some fixes too.  I want the desktop slideshow to be sequential instead of
random.  I have a lot of pics that are taken to be a slideshow but if done
in random order, they make no sense at all.   All I need is a little check
box to disable the random part.
 

If you're not afraid of doing a little scripting you might be able to
whip something together yourself using this:

http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Scripted+Image+Wallpaper+Plugin?content=115147

   


I would have to modify the script since it does random too.  If KDE4 
isn't broke now, I would surely finish it off if I started writing 
scripts.  LOL  I would think it could be disabled somehow but the folks 
on KDE mailing list couldn't find a way either.  I even searched around 
in the config files and maybe changing a USE flag.  Still nothing yet.  
I really think it will be there eventually tho.


Here's to hoping.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Keith Dart]

=== On Sat, 03/20, Neil Bothwick wrote: ===
 r maybe he needs help turning off the white text on a white background
 setting :)

===

This is the longest thread about nothing that I have ever seen. 


-- Keith Dart

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[Hazen Valliant-Saunders]

Score 2 points for mr. obvious. :D

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz wrote:

 === On Sat, 03/20, Neil Bothwick wrote: ===
  r maybe he needs help turning off the white text on a white background
  setting :)

 ===

 This is the longest thread about nothing that I have ever seen.


 -- Keith Dart

 --

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Keith Dart wrote:

=== On Sat, 03/20, Neil Bothwick wrote: ===
   

r maybe he needs help turning off the white text on a white background
setting :)
 

===

This is the longest thread about nothing that I have ever seen.


-- Keith Dart

   


You ain't been around here to long then have ya?   lol  We have had 
longer.  Sometimes we just need someone to send a message with 
unsubscribe in it to start something.


Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 24 March 2010 21:19:04 Dale wrote:
 Keith Dart wrote:
  === On Sat, 03/20, Neil Bothwick wrote: ===
  
  r maybe he needs help turning off the white text on a white background
  setting :)
  
  ===
  
  This is the longest thread about nothing that I have ever seen.
  
  
  -- Keith Dart
 
 You ain't been around here to long then have ya?   lol  We have had
 longer.  Sometimes we just need someone to send a message with
 unsubscribe in it to start something.

And Dale himself holds the record for starting the longest email thread ever 
outside of UseNet.

It started with ... wait for it ... Xorg and hal!

It makes me just a little bit sad to see that the next version of Xorg (ebuild 
sitting in some testing proving ground somewhere) will not use hal at all. 
What will we talk about now on slow news days?

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Alex Schuster]

Alan McKinnon asks:

 And Dale himself holds the record for starting the longest email thread
 ever outside of UseNet.
 
 It started with ... wait for it ... Xorg and hal!
 
 It makes me just a little bit sad to see that the next version of Xorg
 (ebuild sitting in some testing proving ground somewhere) will not use
 hal at all. What will we talk about now on slow news days?

I suggest KDE4. It's really getting on my nerves at the moment. But I 
don't want to quit using it either, now that I arranged my desktops and 
activities and plasmoids and stuff. Isn't KDE 4.5 about to be there soon 
and fix all those tings not running? No? 

Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Zeerak Mustafa Waseem]

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:16:12PM +0100, Alex Schuster wrote:
 Alan McKinnon asks:
 
  And Dale himself holds the record for starting the longest email thread
  ever outside of UseNet.
  
  It started with ... wait for it ... Xorg and hal!
  
  It makes me just a little bit sad to see that the next version of Xorg
  (ebuild sitting in some testing proving ground somewhere) will not use
  hal at all. What will we talk about now on slow news days?
 
 I suggest KDE4. It's really getting on my nerves at the moment. But I 
 don't want to quit using it either, now that I arranged my desktops and 
 activities and plasmoids and stuff. Isn't KDE 4.5 about to be there soon 
 and fix all those tings not running? No? 
 
   Wonko
 

+1 for KDE4 ;)

I'm guessing 4.5 will fix some, not all, things and bring you a world of new 
flaws to explore! Consider yourself Dr. Livingstone in KDE world ;)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:

On Wednesday 24 March 2010 21:19:04 Dale wrote:
   

Keith Dart wrote:
 

=== On Sat, 03/20, Neil Bothwick wrote: ===

   

r maybe he needs help turning off the white text on a white background
setting :)
 

===

This is the longest thread about nothing that I have ever seen.


-- Keith Dart
   

You ain't been around here to long then have ya?   lol  We have had
longer.  Sometimes we just need someone to send a message with
unsubscribe in it to start something.
 

And Dale himself holds the record for starting the longest email thread ever
outside of UseNet.

It started with ... wait for it ... Xorg and hal!

It makes me just a little bit sad to see that the next version of Xorg (ebuild
sitting in some testing proving ground somewhere) will not use hal at all.
What will we talk about now on slow news days?

   


Then it will be policykit, devicekit or whatever the new name will be.

Since someone else mentioned KDE4, I do look forward to 4.5.  I'm hoping 
for some fixes too.  I want the desktop slideshow to be sequential 
instead of random.  I have a lot of pics that are taken to be a 
slideshow but if done in random order, they make no sense at all.   All 
I need is a little check box to disable the random part.


Maybe one day everything will be perfect.  Dale holds his breath 

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Alex Schuster]

Dale writes:

 Since someone else mentioned KDE4, I do look forward to 4.5.  I'm
 hoping for some fixes too.  I want the desktop slideshow to be
 sequential instead of random.  I have a lot of pics that are taken to
 be a slideshow but if done in random order, they make no sense at all.
 All I need is a little check box to disable the random part.

Is there a bug report files already?

 Maybe one day everything will be perfect.  Dale holds his breath 

But then KDE 4 will be outdated already and they are doing KDE 5. I heard 
it will have some really cool features and gizmos and stuff, you know!

Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Alex Schuster wrote:

Dale writes:

   

Since someone else mentioned KDE4, I do look forward to 4.5.  I'm
hoping for some fixes too.  I want the desktop slideshow to be
sequential instead of random.  I have a lot of pics that are taken to
be a slideshow but if done in random order, they make no sense at all.
All I need is a little check box to disable the random part.
 

Is there a bug report files already?
   


I haven't filed one.  I'm just hoping someone has.  Am I the only person 
that would take pictures intending them to be a slide show?  I know I'm 
different but surely not that much.   ;-)


   

Maybe one day everything will be perfect.  Dale holds his breath
 

But then KDE 4 will be outdated already and they are doing KDE 5. I heard
it will have some really cool features and gizmos and stuff, you know!

Wonko

   


I'm hoping that when they start releasing KDE5, they support KDE4 
longer.  The dropping of KDE3 was way to soon.  My brother wants to use 
Linux but I don't want to install KDE3 since it is not supported from a 
security point of view but I also don't want to install KDE4 which is 
still pretty buggy.  That said, I have been using KDE4 for several 
weeks.  My slide show is the only issue that I have yet to work around.  
I plan to install Mandriva for him.


Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Michael Edenfield]

On Wednesday 24 March 2010 15:41:57 Alan McKinnon wrote:

 It makes me just a little bit sad to see that the next version of Xorg
 (ebuild sitting in some testing proving ground somewhere) will not use hal
 at all. What will we talk about now on slow news days?

$5 says Dale won't get devicekit working either.

--K

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Zeerak Mustafa Waseem]

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 07:50:08PM -0400, Michael Edenfield wrote:
 On Wednesday 24 March 2010 15:41:57 Alan McKinnon wrote:
 
  It makes me just a little bit sad to see that the next version of Xorg
  (ebuild sitting in some testing proving ground somewhere) will not use hal
  at all. What will we talk about now on slow news days?
 
 $5 says Dale won't get devicekit working either.
 
 --K
 

The problem about that one is that I doubt that anyone will bet against you ;)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Michael Edenfield wrote:

On Wednesday 24 March 2010 15:41:57 Alan McKinnon wrote:

   

It makes me just a little bit sad to see that the next version of Xorg
(ebuild sitting in some testing proving ground somewhere) will not use hal
at all. What will we talk about now on slow news days?
 

$5 says Dale won't get devicekit working either.

--K

   


But I will try.  Funny thing is, hal works for everything BUT xorg.  :/

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Neil Bothwick]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:47:57 -0500, Dale wrote:

  If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed...
...Oh, wait a minute, he already does.
   
 
 You sig was sort of ironic considering the subject discussed.  That 
 thing have ESP or something?

It does seem like it at times, but you only notice the small proportion
of times the tag is vaguely relevant... either that or my computer is
haunted :)


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[KH]

Am 23.03.2010 01:51, schrieb walt:

On 03/22/2010 04:21 PM, KH wrote:
  ...

There even is a tool you can download from Microsoft to change your key -

  like you once hat a pirated version with a cracked key and now you
want to
  turn legal again. Download the tool, enter the code you bought, you are
  done without installing everything again...

Those boys at M$ are such jokers. The big pitch is DANGER, your pirated
copy of Windows may not be safe! Who knows what evil lurks in pirated
software!?!

But, once you fork over the money for a valid key, all that DANGER/evil
is exorcised forever. I wish I could write smart software like that.




Well I guess it is for those people who can't get bug fixes anymore 
because the update site knows they have pirate software ...

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Zeerak Mustafa Waseem]

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:21:06AM +0100, KH wrote:
 Am 22.03.2010 23:51, schrieb Mick:
 
 
  In Germany you are still free to sell the software to a third person who
  is insane enough to buy Windows ;-)
 
  But how can you sell it - I think that it is an OEM license which will only
  run in the machine that Dell bought it for, from Microsoft.
 
  I'll try running the image of the partition which I made when I bought it on
  another machine and see what gives if I get the time, but in the past I
  remember trying something similar and I could not get it to work.
 
 I am not in that to deep. IIRC oem has no meaning in Germany. This is 
 part of the license agreement what you have to accept after buying the 
 software. Law says you have to accept it before or it is not part of the 
 contract.
 I never tried lately but you should be able to install from every Win CD 
 you find and just use the code from that green sticker. There even is a 
 tool you can download from Microsoft to change your key - like you once 
 hat a pirated version with a cracked key and now you want to turn legal 
 again. Download the tool, enter the code you bought, you are done 
 without installing everything again.
 
 But again I don't know if it works in every constellation nor if it is 
 legal everywhere.
 
 kh
 

I don't live -too- far off from Germany and take trips down there every now and 
again. Perhaps I should consider my next laptop purchase when I'm there.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Paul Hartman]

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Stroller
strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote:

 I was very impressed by Windows 7 recently. I installed it for a customer
 and it seems wonderful. I even considered trying it myself, but I realised
 that the inability to copy settings from one profile or machine to another
 is a *complete* deal-breaker to me.

[OT]

In Windows XP it was called Files and Settings Transfer Wizard. It
could be run from the Windows install CD or maybe it was installed as
well. You ran it on the source machine, then on the target machine and
it did its magic. It even carried over individual apps settings for
supported products (microsoft, adobe, etc). Did they get rid of that
tool in later versions of Windows?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Mick]

On Monday 22 March 2010 17:05:12 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
 On 03/22/2010 06:54 PM, Paul Hartman wrote:
  On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Stroller
 
  strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk  wrote:
  I was very impressed by Windows 7 recently. I installed it for a
  customer and it seems wonderful. I even considered trying it myself, but
  I realised that the inability to copy settings from one profile or
  machine to another is a *complete* deal-breaker to me.
 
  [OT]
 
  In Windows XP it was called Files and Settings Transfer Wizard. It
  could be run from the Windows install CD or maybe it was installed as
  well. You ran it on the source machine, then on the target machine and
  it did its magic. It even carried over individual apps settings for
  supported products (microsoft, adobe, etc). Did they get rid of that
  tool in later versions of Windows?
 
 No, it's still there (and improved).  No idea why Stroller couldn't find
  it.

Hmm ... I have W7 on my new laptop.  I booted it 3 times in as many months.  
One of these times was to update the BIOS.  All I can say its that I found it 
enormously irritating because many things are not where I would expect to 
find them (like defrag).  There is however a search function - which is only 
good if you already know the name of the executable.

TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax on 
all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular laptop.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[KH]

Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:



TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax on
all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular laptop.


You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are 
lucky, the vendor will give you some money back.


kh

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Mick]

On Monday 22 March 2010 19:21:26 KH wrote:
 Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:
  TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax
  on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular
  laptop.
 
 You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are
 lucky, the vendor will give you some money back.

Getting money back from Dell?!!  It'll be like squeezing blood out of a 
stone.  ;-)

Seriously though, I've asked them to take it off for me and they said that 
this is not an option!
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Mike Edenfield]

On 3/22/2010 3:40 PM, Mick wrote:
 On Monday 22 March 2010 19:21:26 KH wrote:
 Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:
 TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax
 on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular
 laptop.

 You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are
 lucky, the vendor will give you some money back.
 
 Getting money back from Dell?!!  It'll be like squeezing blood out of a 
 stone.  ;-)
 
 Seriously though, I've asked them to take it off for me and they said that 
 this is not an option!

Particularly annoying is the fact that Dell claims to be Linux
friendly.  Which is apparently shorthand for:

Sure, we'll happily sell you one of three crappy laptop models with
Ubuntu pre-installed, at a slight discount, while bombarding you with
'Dell Recommends Windows' ads while you shop.  What's that?  You want a
desktop machine with Linux?  Are you insane?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Neil Walker]

On 22/03/10 19:21, KH wrote:
 Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:


 TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows
 tax on
 all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular
 laptop.

 You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are
 lucky, the vendor will give you some money back.

 kh



Actually, you don't need any luck. It's been a few years now
since Microsoft were ordered by the courts to give refunds. The
vendor doesn't even come into the picture. Return Windows
unopened to Microsoft and they HAVE to refund you.


Be lucky,


Neil
http://www.neiljw.com/




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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Neil Walker]

On 22/03/10 20:33, Mike Edenfield wrote:

 Sure, we'll happily sell you one of three crappy laptop models with
 Ubuntu pre-installed, at a slight discount, while bombarding you with
 'Dell Recommends Windows' ads while you shop.  What's that?  You want a
 desktop machine with Linux?  Are you insane?
   

The real insanity is buying over-priced crap from Dell. ;)


Be lucky,

Neil
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Alan McKinnon]

On Monday 22 March 2010 21:21:26 KH wrote:
 Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:
  TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax
  on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular
  laptop.
 
 You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are
 lucky, the vendor will give you some money back.
 
 kh


Yeah right, good luck with that.

Three people in my entire country are known to have gotten that right, 2 from 
Toshiba. In all three cases, the hardware vendor refunded the cost as a PR 
exercise.

Microsoft are dead sneaky about this one, at least under ZA law. The hardware 
vendor accepted the license to install it (remember it's on OEM install not a 
box set), and you buy the hardware knowing full well that it comes with 
Windows. That's part of the deal and there is no deal on the table where the 
machine does not have Windows.

There is nothing unfair about this. No vendor has a *duty* so sell you what 
you want and they cannot be forced to. Microsoft does not enforce that vendors 
sell Windows-only machines (and they proved as such to the relevant 
Commission). Vendors almost uniformly virtually every model with Windows, the 
exceptions are low grade machines the no sane person would buy today, and 
servers). This is not even anti-competitive, the vendor can sell what they 
like and can offer only a certain OS of they choose. Much like a Toyota dealer 
is perfectly free to sell only Toyotas and cannot be forced to offer Hondas as 
well.


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Neil Bothwick]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:55:34 +, Neil Walker wrote:

 The real insanity is buying over-priced crap from Dell. ;)

The Dell Mini 10 I bought was very reasonably priced.

So that deals with the over-priced issue...


-- 
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Standard: (n., adj.) a design target which manufacturers may embellish,
improve upon, or ignore as they wish, so long as it can be used profitably
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Stroller]

On 22 Mar 2010, at 19:21, KH wrote:

Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:

TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows  
tax on
all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular  
laptop.


You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you  
are lucky, the vendor will give you some money back.


Article in The Register about this this week. Dell may be refusing  
this now.


I read in a forum that the wording of the license terms has changed in  
Vista or 7, to (basically) return the whole system for a refund if  
you don't like these terms.


Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Zeerak Mustafa Waseem]

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:36:59PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On Monday 22 March 2010 21:21:26 KH wrote:
  Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:
   TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows tax
   on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular
   laptop.
  
  You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are
  lucky, the vendor will give you some money back.
  
  kh
 
 
 Yeah right, good luck with that.
 
 Three people in my entire country are known to have gotten that right, 2 from 
 Toshiba. In all three cases, the hardware vendor refunded the cost as a PR 
 exercise.
 
 Microsoft are dead sneaky about this one, at least under ZA law. The hardware 
 vendor accepted the license to install it (remember it's on OEM install not a 
 box set), and you buy the hardware knowing full well that it comes with 
 Windows. That's part of the deal and there is no deal on the table where the 
 machine does not have Windows.
 
 There is nothing unfair about this. No vendor has a *duty* so sell you what 
 you want and they cannot be forced to. Microsoft does not enforce that 
 vendors 
 sell Windows-only machines (and they proved as such to the relevant 
 Commission). Vendors almost uniformly virtually every model with Windows, the 
 exceptions are low grade machines the no sane person would buy today, and 
 servers). This is not even anti-competitive, the vendor can sell what they 
 like and can offer only a certain OS of they choose. Much like a Toyota 
 dealer 
 is perfectly free to sell only Toyotas and cannot be forced to offer Hondas 
 as 
 well.
 
 
 -- 
 alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
 

Well you I'll have to agree with you that it's not unfiar or anything else as 
such.
I do however think that it would be benefitial to the consumer if the market 
was more open than it's current state.
That being said we do have the option to buy costumized computers without the 
MS tax.

-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[KH]

Am 22.03.2010 23:01, schrieb Stroller:


On 22 Mar 2010, at 19:21, KH wrote:

Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:


TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows
tax on
all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular
laptop.


You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are
lucky, the vendor will give you some money back.


Article in The Register about this this week. Dell may be refusing this
now.

I read in a forum that the wording of the license terms has changed in
Vista or 7, to (basically) return the whole system for a refund if you
don't like these terms.

Stroller.




In Germany you are still free to sell the software to a third person who 
is insane enough to buy Windows ;-)


kh

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 23 March 2010 00:02:54 Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:36:59PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
  On Monday 22 March 2010 21:21:26 KH wrote:
   Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:
TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows
tax on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this
particular laptop.
   
   You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are
   lucky, the vendor will give you some money back.
   
   kh
  
  Yeah right, good luck with that.
  
  Three people in my entire country are known to have gotten that right, 2
  from Toshiba. In all three cases, the hardware vendor refunded the cost
  as a PR exercise.
  
  Microsoft are dead sneaky about this one, at least under ZA law. The
  hardware vendor accepted the license to install it (remember it's on OEM
  install not a box set), and you buy the hardware knowing full well that
  it comes with Windows. That's part of the deal and there is no deal on
  the table where the machine does not have Windows.
  
  There is nothing unfair about this. No vendor has a *duty* so sell you
  what you want and they cannot be forced to. Microsoft does not enforce
  that vendors sell Windows-only machines (and they proved as such to the
  relevant Commission). Vendors almost uniformly virtually every model
  with Windows, the exceptions are low grade machines the no sane person
  would buy today, and servers). This is not even anti-competitive, the
  vendor can sell what they like and can offer only a certain OS of they
  choose. Much like a Toyota dealer is perfectly free to sell only Toyotas
  and cannot be forced to offer Hondas as well.
 
 Well you I'll have to agree with you that it's not unfiar or anything else
 as such. I do however think that it would be benefitial to the consumer if
 the market was more open than it's current state. That being said we do
 have the option to buy costumized computers without the MS tax.

It's not all dark in this tunnel. There is light at the end, and no, it's not 
the train's headlights ;-)

Customer demand is still the best way to get providers to change their 
offerings. We who want OS-less machines, or machines with Linux, might be few 
today, but that doesn't have to be true for tomorrow.


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 23 March 2010 00:00:38 Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:55:34 +, Neil Walker wrote:
  The real insanity is buying over-priced crap from Dell. ;)
 
 The Dell Mini 10 I bought was very reasonably priced.
 
 So that deals with the over-priced issue...

The Dell XPS M1530 I'm typing this on was *very* reasonably priced. But, the 
40% corporate discount whacked off the top was a part of that :-)



-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Stroller]

On 22 Mar 2010, at 22:04, KH wrote:


Am 22.03.2010 23:01, schrieb Stroller:


On 22 Mar 2010, at 19:21, KH wrote:

Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:

TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a  
MSWindows tax on all of us I had no other option if I wanted to  
buy this particular laptop.

...


In Germany you are still free to sell the software to a third person  
who is insane enough to buy Windows ;-)


I believe the precedent set by that court decision applies throughout  
Europe, however I don't think anyone else has followed it up.


There was a guy on uk.adverts.computer (might be uk.adverts.computers,  
I'm not sure) who used to make a good business buying end of life  
corporate PCs and breaking them, mostly for the licenses. Great bloke,  
everyone loved him, always had great deals or could do you one.


One day he got a threatening letter from Microsoft about reselling  
these license stickers, which he was doing absolutely legitimately  
under EU law, and had to close down his business as a consequence. He  
contacted a commercial solicitors and they were happy to take the  
case, confident in the outcome precedented by the German decision, but  
wanted a deposit of £20,000 ($30,000 US now, but I think more like  
$40k at the time).


This was money he simply didn't have, or that he wasn't prepared to  
risk. I would imagine the actual costs of pursuing the case could run  
much higher, perhaps to in excess of £100,000. It's obvious that  
Microsoft would quite happily run you bankrupt with pre-trial requests  
to your lawyers, and drag things out with various legal motions,  
rather than actually lose the case.


Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Mick]

On Monday 22 March 2010 22:04:24 KH wrote:
 Am 22.03.2010 23:01, schrieb Stroller:
  On 22 Mar 2010, at 19:21, KH wrote:
  Am 22.03.2010 20:17, schrieb Mick:
  TBH, I wouldn't pay money for it but as many OEM impose a MSWindows
  tax on
  all of us I had no other option if I wanted to buy this particular
  laptop.
 
  You can refuse the license agreement and give windows back. If you are
  lucky, the vendor will give you some money back.
 
  Article in The Register about this this week. Dell may be refusing this
  now.
 
  I read in a forum that the wording of the license terms has changed in
  Vista or 7, to (basically) return the whole system for a refund if you
  don't like these terms.
 
  Stroller.
 
 In Germany you are still free to sell the software to a third person who
 is insane enough to buy Windows ;-)

But how can you sell it - I think that it is an OEM license which will only 
run in the machine that Dell bought it for, from Microsoft.

I'll try running the image of the partition which I made when I bought it on 
another machine and see what gives if I get the time, but in the past I 
remember trying something similar and I could not get it to work.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Mick]

On Monday 22 March 2010 22:00:38 Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:55:34 +, Neil Walker wrote:
  The real insanity is buying over-priced crap from Dell. ;)
 
 The Dell Mini 10 I bought was very reasonably priced.
 
 So that deals with the over-priced issue...

I did some research to find a powerful laptop before I settled on Dell and 
they were selling the best machine at the time for the price.  Lenovos, HP, 
Asus, etc. were definitely pricier.  So, comparatively speaking Dell's are 
not bad.  However, they are indeed overpriced because we're paying for a pre-
installed OS some of us do not want/need.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[KH]

Am 22.03.2010 23:51, schrieb Mick:



In Germany you are still free to sell the software to a third person who
is insane enough to buy Windows ;-)


But how can you sell it - I think that it is an OEM license which will only
run in the machine that Dell bought it for, from Microsoft.

I'll try running the image of the partition which I made when I bought it on
another machine and see what gives if I get the time, but in the past I
remember trying something similar and I could not get it to work.


I am not in that to deep. IIRC oem has no meaning in Germany. This is 
part of the license agreement what you have to accept after buying the 
software. Law says you have to accept it before or it is not part of the 
contract.
I never tried lately but you should be able to install from every Win CD 
you find and just use the code from that green sticker. There even is a 
tool you can download from Microsoft to change your key - like you once 
hat a pirated version with a cracked key and now you want to turn legal 
again. Download the tool, enter the code you bought, you are done 
without installing everything again.


But again I don't know if it works in every constellation nor if it is 
legal everywhere.


kh

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[KH]

Oh and all of this started with a email just saying help. Wander what 
another word could have done.


kh

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

KH wrote:


Oh and all of this started with a email just saying help. Wander 
what another word could have done.


kh




Maybe he should have said PLEASE help.  lol

Where is the OP anyway?

Dale

:-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Neil Bothwick]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:56:33 +, Mick wrote:

 On Monday 22 March 2010 22:00:38 Neil Bothwick wrote:
  On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:55:34 +, Neil Walker wrote:  
   The real insanity is buying over-priced crap from Dell. ;)  
  
  The Dell Mini 10 I bought was very reasonably priced.
  
  So that deals with the over-priced issue...  
 
 I did some research to find a powerful laptop before I settled on Dell
 and they were selling the best machine at the time for the price.
 Lenovos, HP, Asus, etc. were definitely pricier.

Note to self: Be less subtle in future :(


-- 
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If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed...
 ...Oh, wait a minute, he already does.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:

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If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed...
  ...Oh, wait a minute, he already does.
   


You sig was sort of ironic considering the subject discussed.  That 
thing have ESP or something?


Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Stroller]

On 22 Mar 2010, at 23:21, KH wrote:
...  There even is a tool you can download from Microsoft to change  
your key - like you once hat a pirated version with a cracked key  
and now you want to turn legal again. Download the tool, enter the  
code you bought, you are done without installing everything again.


It doesn't always work, though.

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Stroller]

On 22 Mar 2010, at 22:51, Mick wrote:

...
In Germany you are still free to sell the software to a third  
person who

is insane enough to buy Windows ;-)


But how can you sell it - I think that it is an OEM license which  
will only

run in the machine that Dell bought it for, from Microsoft.


You can use a standard Windows OEM installation cd, such as the one  
that comes in this package http://www.ebuyer.com/product/114048 with  
any Windows OEM license sticker.


If the sticker bears Dell, Compaq, Advent c branding, this is  
irrelevant to the actual number on the sticker. You can copy a  
friend's CD and use that - I avoid manufacturer branded restore CDs,  
however.


Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Stroller]

On 22 Mar 2010, at 22:09, Alan McKinnon wrote:


There is nothing unfair about this. No vendor has a *duty* so sell  
you
what you want and they cannot be forced to. Microsoft does not  
enforce
that vendors sell Windows-only machines (and they proved as such  
to the

relevant Commission). ...


Well you I'll have to agree with you that it's not unfiar or  
anything else
as such. I do however think that it would be benefitial to the  
consumer if
the market was more open than it's current state. That being said  
we do

have the option to buy costumized computers without the MS tax.


It's not all dark in this tunnel. There is light at the end, and no,  
it's not

the train's headlights ;-)

Customer demand is still the best way to get providers to change their
offerings. We who want OS-less machines, or machines with Linux,  
might be few

today, but that doesn't have to be true for tomorrow.


The problem is that manufacturers subsidise the cost of the PC by  
preinstalling junk on them.


They install Norton or McAfee anti-virus with a free 3 month  
subscription, because Norton or McAfee give them a kickback. I would  
imagine this is in the region of $10 - $20. They install desktop  
shortcuts to eBay, to Big Fish Games (or whatever it's called) set the  
browser's homepage and the default search shows more ads than useful  
results. They probably get a penny a click on those, but over the  
lifetime of a computer, this can add up.


In all I wouldn't be surprised if the crapware on a new PC pays more  
than the Windows license costs the manufacturer. Selling PCs with a  
blank hard-drive would cost them money, therefore! The cost of porting  
browser toolbars and search redirect hijackers to enable them to  
sell Linux-based PCs is just not worth the effort, and a Linux user is  
more likely to uninstall them, anyway.


Manufacturers accept that some of the PCs they sell will have Windows  
wiped and Linux installed, but they don't have to like or encourage  
it. :(


I very much dislike Microsoft's abuse of its monopoly position, but I  
don't have any easy answers right now.


Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Stroller]

On 22 Mar 2010, at 17:05, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:


On 03/22/2010 06:54 PM, Paul Hartman wrote:

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Stroller
strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk  wrote:


I was very impressed by Windows 7 recently. I installed it for a  
customer
and it seems wonderful. I even considered trying it myself, but I  
realised
that the inability to copy settings from one profile or machine to  
another

is a *complete* deal-breaker to me.


[OT]

In Windows XP it was called Files and Settings Transfer Wizard. It
could be run from the Windows install CD or maybe it was installed as
well. You ran it on the source machine, then on the target machine  
and

it did its magic. It even carried over individual apps settings for
supported products (microsoft, adobe, etc). Did they get rid of that
tool in later versions of Windows?


No, it's still there (and improved).  No idea why Stroller couldn't  
find it.


I was given to believe it doesn't work under all circumstances.

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.vista.installation_setup/msg/4d069a4865067bad

It's not something I've had the time yet to dedicate to testing.

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[KH]

Am 20.03.2010 22:28, schrieb Nikos Chantziaras:
[...]


And people still claim it's Microsoft products that are bugged... :P



They call it improvement and not bugfixing.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 20 March 2010 18:58:49 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
 On 03/20/2010 06:03 PM, Dainius Matusevičius wrote:
  help
 
 Is this the mailing-list equivalent of a message in a bottle?  :P

I thought it was obvious. His keyboard is broken and he needs help fixing it.

-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Crístian Viana]

or maybe he's using Seamonkey, like Dale :-) :-).

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Saturday 20 March 2010 18:58:49 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
  On 03/20/2010 06:03 PM, Dainius Matusevičius wrote:
   help
 
  Is this the mailing-list equivalent of a message in a bottle?  :P

 I thought it was obvious. His keyboard is broken and he needs help fixing
 it.

 --
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Crístian Viana wrote:

or maybe he's using Seamonkey, like Dale :-) :-).

--
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That's what I was thinking too.  Poor thang.  lol

He may have been trying to get the help thing from the list server.  
That is another possibility I guess.


Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Florian Philipp]

Am 20.03.2010 18:55, schrieb Crístian Viana:
 or maybe he's using Seamonkey, like Dale :-) :-).
 

Nah, this time it's KMail on KDE-4.1.4.

Given that this version is not even in the tree anymore, I guess,
whatever his problem is, 'emerge --sync  emerge -avuD world' is a good
start.

;-)



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Michael Sullivan]

On Sat, 2010-03-20 at 14:55 -0300, Crístian Viana wrote:
 or maybe he's using Seamonkey, like Dale :-) :-).
 

Hey!  What's wrong with seamonkey?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:02:04 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

 I thought it was obvious. His keyboard is broken and he needs help
 fixing it.

Or maybe he needs help turning off the white text on a white background
setting :)


-- 
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The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody
appreciates how difficult it was.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Michael Sullivan wrote:

On Sat, 2010-03-20 at 14:55 -0300, Crístian Viana wrote:
   

or maybe he's using Seamonkey, like Dale :-) :-).

 

Hey!  What's wrong with seamonkey?

   


I upgraded from Seamonkey 1 to Seamonkey 2.  I let it copy the settings, 
email and other stuff to the new profile.  Well, it copied it fine but 
new messages were sent blank.  Replies were fine but new messages were 
blank.


So, I had to create a new profile, copy the good stuff over to fix the 
issue with Seamonkey.  Now I can send a new message and it not be 
blank.  I think it annoyed the list but it really got on my nerves.  
After all, who wants to spend 20 or 30 minutes typing in a message to 
have it disappear and have to do it all over again.


I like the reply about white letters on a white background.  Of course, 
if that was the case, you could just click the mouse in the body and do 
a ctrl a to highlight the text.  Then you could see it.  lol


Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Dale]

Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

On 03/20/2010 10:46 PM, Dale wrote:

Michael Sullivan wrote:

On Sat, 2010-03-20 at 14:55 -0300, Crístian Viana wrote:

or maybe he's using Seamonkey, like Dale :-) :-).


Hey! What's wrong with seamonkey?



I upgraded from Seamonkey 1 to Seamonkey 2. I let it copy the settings,
email and other stuff to the new profile. Well, it copied it fine but
new messages were sent blank. Replies were fine but new messages were
blank.

So, I had to create a new profile, copy the good stuff over to fix the
issue with Seamonkey. Now I can send a new message and it not be blank.
I think it annoyed the list but it really got on my nerves. After all,
who wants to spend 20 or 30 minutes typing in a message to have it
disappear and have to do it all over again.


And people still claim it's Microsoft products that are bugged... :P



It is, its just worse.  :-P

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: help

[Stroller]

On 20 Mar 2010, at 21:28, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

...
So, I had to create a new profile, copy the good stuff over to fix  
the
issue with Seamonkey. Now I can send a new message and it not be  
blank.
I think it annoyed the list but it really got on my nerves. After  
all,

who wants to spend 20 or 30 minutes typing in a message to have it
disappear and have to do it all over again.


And people still claim it's Microsoft products that are bugged... :P


Chances are that he's copied a setting from his old profile that  
doesn't work with the new one, or is corrupt in some way. He can  
EASILY test this by moving his profile to profile.old and trying with  
a blank / new configuration. If that works then he can copy over only  
the essential parts of his profile and at least save himself all the  
bother of retyping out the names of his pop3 servers and signatures.


I was very impressed by Windows 7 recently. I installed it for a  
customer and it seems wonderful. I even considered trying it myself,  
but I realised that the inability to copy settings from one profile or  
machine to another is a *complete* deal-breaker to me.


I reinstall the o/s on my desktop machine at 1 - 3 year intervals.  
That might be caused by a hardware upgrade or failure, filesystem  
corruption, or they might just release Windows 8 in 2012. I try not to  
depend too much on stuff that's on my desktop - email is a killer app  
for me, so I just type in the details of my IMAP server and my  
familiar environment is replicated; I have just a few favourite  
websites that I use a lot, and one can just install a word-processor  
and photo-editor, there should be a backup of my data on the server.


When I set up a new Mac on Linux box, all my preferences from ~ can be  
copied over easily. They're just a bunch of text files, and I can have  
a bit of a clean up by only copying the preferences for programs I  
actually use. If I fire up $application and find that its layout is  
all wrong, then I can just exit it and copy across preferences from  
the old system,


Contemplating this, I find it a bit incredible that there's no way to  
do this on a Windows system. Everything is stored in honking great big  
registry files, and there's no way to migrate a registry hive to a new  
profile (and no way, without a Windows domain server, to migrate a  
profile to a new system). When I was a Windows enthusiast, before I'd  
heard of Linux, I would spend 2 days fuzting to try and get everything  
right when reinstalled Windows or installed a new system. Even a week  
or two later I'd be finding things that weren't quite right, like they  
were on my old system, didn't quite match my preferred way of doing  
things, and I would have to spend time tinkering to get them right.


A Red Hat developer recently (within the last 3 months, I guess)  
blogged about reverse engineering the Windows registry for some VM  
tools he wrote. I can't find the article right now, but what he had to  
say about the Registry was shocking.


Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[forgottenwizard]

On 23:25 Sat 29 Sep , Patrick May wrote:
 On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 03:17:14PM -0500, forgottenwizard wrote:
  On 13:41 Sat 29 Sep , Grant Edwards wrote:
   On 2007-09-29, forgottenwizard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
Since I'm using cable, I figure if I need to, in 17 month I
can get a converter, or afford to buy a better card.
   
   If you're using cable, you may not need to.  Cable companies
   are free to continue distributing analog signals as long as
   they want.
   
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  Good to know. Right now I'm down to finding a working app (mplayer only
  seems to work so far, and it doesn't seem to work quite right).
 
 Grant is correct. The digital switch only applies to OTA (Over the Air). Cable
 operators could do whatever they want.
 
 Not sure why the PVR-150 isn't just working out of the box for you. I know
 there were some complaints about Hauppauge quietly putting another device in
 the box. And that's because of the switch over. As of March 1, 2007
 manufacturers had to include a digital tuner if they included an analog tuner.
 This included computer interface cards as well. I believe the new Hauppauge is
 a PVR-1600 with dual tuner (NTSC  ATSC).
 
 Good luck.
 
 Patrick

It seems to work. Using at and cat, I can record TV shows (needs a bit
of work to make sure everything is scripted right, but I'm working on
that). That along with mplayer target_file.mpg, I can watch and record
at the same time, and mplayer /dev/video0 works for straight TV.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[Patrick May]

On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 03:17:14PM -0500, forgottenwizard wrote:
 On 13:41 Sat 29 Sep , Grant Edwards wrote:
  On 2007-09-29, forgottenwizard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Since I'm using cable, I figure if I need to, in 17 month I
   can get a converter, or afford to buy a better card.
  
  If you're using cable, you may not need to.  Cable companies
  are free to continue distributing analog signals as long as
  they want.
  
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 SLEAZEBALLS!!
  
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 Good to know. Right now I'm down to finding a working app (mplayer only
 seems to work so far, and it doesn't seem to work quite right).

Grant is correct. The digital switch only applies to OTA (Over the Air). Cable
operators could do whatever they want.

Not sure why the PVR-150 isn't just working out of the box for you. I know
there were some complaints about Hauppauge quietly putting another device in
the box. And that's because of the switch over. As of March 1, 2007
manufacturers had to include a digital tuner if they included an analog tuner.
This included computer interface cards as well. I believe the new Hauppauge is
a PVR-1600 with dual tuner (NTSC  ATSC).

Good luck.

Patrick


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Help finding a tv tuner card's chipset

[forgottenwizard]

On 13:41 Sat 29 Sep , Grant Edwards wrote:
 On 2007-09-29, forgottenwizard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Since I'm using cable, I figure if I need to, in 17 month I
  can get a converter, or afford to buy a better card.
 
 If you're using cable, you may not need to.  Cable companies
 are free to continue distributing analog signals as long as
 they want.
 
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Good to know. Right now I'm down to finding a working app (mplayer only
seems to work so far, and it doesn't seem to work quite right).

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Help, iptables logging to current console

[Walter Dnes]

On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 09:28:39AM +0200, Remy Blank wrote

 It's due to the baselayout update. There's a typo in /etc/conf.d/rc
 that was fixed a few days ago. Change the following line:
 
   RC_DMESG_LOGLEVEL=1
 
 to
 
   RC_DMESG_LEVEL=1

  Thanks.  I got a brand new ADSL modem/router yesterday, so I'm no
longer on dialup, but I do need it occasionally.  After a couple of days
on dialup, I know why people complain so bitterly about fat web pages
that take forever to load.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Help with nvidia fake raid.

[Robert Walter]

hi 
what kernel version do you use? 2.6.16?
i run gentoo amd64 on nvraid (nforce4) and can't switch to 2.6.16 because the 
real_root isn't found. could be the same problem with you. i stick with 2.6.15 
till the problem solves itself ;) 
maybe 2.6.17 works. though, haven't tried yet.
best regards robert


On Wednesday 21 June 2006 19:40, Allan Spagnol Comar wrote:
 I thought I had make clear before, lousy english .
 I had a separated boot partition but in the raid set, this was what I
 really mean on previous e-mail.
 sorry,
 
 anyway, I don´t know why it doesn´t work. once that the boot starts. :(
 
 On 6/21/06, Francesco Talamona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Wednesday 21 June 2006 18:34, Allan Spagnol Comar wrote:
   no, I do not have a separated boot partition because I just have 2
   disks with the raid, so I cannot have the separated boot partition.
   But the boot starts and initrd and linuxrc are loaded ( apparently ).
 
  Why not? Can you explain with some details?
 
  Ciao
  Francesco
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Help with nvidia fake raid.

[Allan Spagnol Comar]

I thought I had make clear before, lousy english .
I had a separated boot partition but in the raid set, this was what I
really mean on previous e-mail.
sorry,

anyway, I don´t know why it doesn´t work. once that the boot starts. :(

On 6/21/06, Francesco Talamona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Wednesday 21 June 2006 18:34, Allan Spagnol Comar wrote:
 no, I do not have a separated boot partition because I just have 2
 disks with the raid, so I cannot have the separated boot partition.
 But the boot starts and initrd and linuxrc are loaded ( apparently ).

Why not? Can you explain with some details?

Ciao
Francesco
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Help : need grub,conf file : kernel wouldn't boot

[Robert Crawford]

On Sunday 16 April 2006 13:46, Regis Decamps wrote:
 Rohit and Bhavana wrote:
   Hi all,
  
   I have built my kernel 2.6.15-r5 [not the latest I know but should
   support all that I have].
   I am unable to boot it. It stops looking for root device when booting.
   Corresponding line from my grub,conf is title Linux-latest
  
   kernel (hd0,2)/kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5 root=/dev/ram0
   real_root=/dev/hda2 init=/linuxrc vga=7 CONSOLE=/dev/tty1
   initrd (hd0,2)/initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5

Do you have ANY kernel that does boot on this system?  If so, or even if not, 
post a copy of your entire grub.conf, and your /etc/fstab file, so we can see 
how your system partitions are set up.  Is there an error message, like error 
17, or some other number?

I think your (hd0,2) and root=dev/hd2 are probably wrong.

If you installed Gentoo following the Docs, your /boot should be hda1, swap 
hda2, and / hda3.
Your grub should be installed on the MBR, and grub.conf should look something 
like this, set up with no splash framebuffer:

title=[Evo-2.6.16-beyond1]
root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/2.6.16-beyond1 root=/dev/hda3

With a splash framebuffer, something like this:

title=Gentoo [Evolution-Mission]
root (hd0,0) # boot partition
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.15-archck root=/dev/hda3 
video=vesafb:[EMAIL PROTECTED],mtrr,ywrap splash=silent,fadein,theme:default 
quiet console=tty1
initrd (hd0,0)/fbsplash-default

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Help : need grub,conf file : kernel wouldn't boot

[Rohit Sharma]

Francesco Talamona wrote:

1) Are you aware that you are using a comma inside the file name in the  
subject and in the message? It sould be grub.conf, not grub,conf.
  

Yes Francesco, the comma was a typo on my part.  Things are they way I
have tried to convey, on my machine.

What name do you use in the filesystem?
2) are you sure (hd0,2) is /dev/hda2? IIRC hda2 translates to (hd0,1) 
  

You are right. What I meant to say is that my / is /dev/hda2 and /boot
is /dev/hda3 [which should be consistent with what I said].

The problem that I have, can be more concisely put this way. Grub won't
honour real_root=/dev/hda2 from my conf file and after mounting /boot
kernel does it's business and waits for real_root. Grub/ kernel ? fail
here and say that they can not detect /dev/hda2 and ask me for the root
device.

I type /dev/hda2 by hand, every time I boot, and it happily continues
booting the rest of the box from there.

Thanks,
Rohoit
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