Re: ReGIS Terminal Emulation for Linux?
You're right on all accounts, I didn't look closely at the pages because I'm not interested... In a message dated: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 21:38:20 EST Rich Cloutier said: From now on when I post a question here I will be sure to append a line to my sig to the effect: Yes I searched Google before bringing the question to this forum. That would have saved us both the effort of typing these e-mails :) Btw, you went out of your way to specify that you searched freshmeat and sourceforge, which is exactly why I asked if you searched Google. Often times google will turn up exactly what you're looking for when neither of the previous 2 locations do. You didn't say you searched google, so I asked. -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: ReGIS Terminal Emulation for Linux?
In a message dated: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 21:49:39 EST Rich Cloutier said: At this point I feel that I should coin my own acronym: RTFP, which stands for Read the F*cking Page. Just because a search returns all your keywords doesn't mean that it returned The Answer. Well, I would like to point out that I never said anything Google turned up was relevant. You stated you searched 2 locations which turned up nothing, and I asked if you searched Google. I'm well aware that Google searches often return false-positive hits and never claimed that Google *would* be the answer, just that you didn't mention that you had searched it, yet you did mention 2 other locations which often turn up nothing almost as often as Google turns up false-positives. -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: ReGIS Terminal Emulation for Linux?
In a message dated: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 22:44:44 EST Rich Cloutier said: Well, at least DECNet is supported, so we're partway there. :o) As previously stated, I basically have no interest in ReGIS or LAT (at least at this time) and therefore did not look too closely at the pages Google returned from my query. However, this particular URL: http://www.google.com/search?q=Linux+LATbtnG=Google+Search did return a this link: http://linux-decnet.sourceforge.net/lat.html Following that link, I ended up at a page which as the first sentence states: This is a quick guide to using LAT on Linux systems. Now, maybe because I have no interest in whatever LAT is I'm not fully aware why this page would not be of use to you. Oh well, I hope it is of use to you. And if not, sorry for wasting the bandwidth. I'm going back to my dis-interested life now :) -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Python follow-up [modadlug]
Bill Sconce [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What Eckel says now: ... o Python is executable pseudocode. Perl is executable line noise. o Perl is like vice grips. You can do anything with it, and it's the wrong tool for every job. Just for the record, I disagree with all of this. Python is nice, but clearly there are a lot of problems out there that are just screaming to be solved using Perl. --kevin -- Kevin D. Clark (cetaceannetworks.com!kclark) | Will hack Perl for Cetacean Networks, Inc. | fine food, good beer, Portsmouth, N.H. (USA)| or fun. alumni.unh.edu!kdc (PGP Key Available)| * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Python follow-up [modadlug]
In a message dated: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:52:51 EST Benjamin Scott said: On 8 Jan 2002, Kevin D. Clark wrote: Just for the record, I disagree with all of this. Can we *please* not get involved in a My language is better than yours debate on this list? :-) At least with vi vs. Emacs, there are only two options to fight over... :-) Well, not really. There's vim, Evil, jed, Xemacs, Gnu Emacs, joe, and I'm sure countless others I've forgotten :) Additionally, there's Kedit, Kwrite, and Kword, not to mention the Gnome counterparts :) Heck, there are as many editors for that war as there are languages ;) -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Great quote from NYT article
Hop on over to the New York Times article at http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/07/technology/ebusiness/07GADG.html (free registration required -- ick) and scroll about 2/3 of the down for this classic quote: Mr. Perlman said that after Microsoft acquired WebTV for $425 million in April 1997 he had stayed and tried to refine the product until it became clear that Microsoft's principal interest was in ensuring that its Windows CE operating system was in the box rather than improving the consumer experience. I think that speaks for itself and requires no further comment. (Yeah, I know, I'm preaching to the choir.) -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior Systems Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Python follow-up [modadlug]
mike ledoux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Err, why are you guys dragging your language war from 'modadlug' (what's 'modadlug'?) to GNHLUG? Please don't. I didn't start a language war. I merely stated that I disagreed with a controversial statement. If I had wanted to start a language war, I would have made a statement to the effect of Python sucks because Regards, --kevin -- Kevin D. Clark (cetaceannetworks.com!kclark) | Will hack Perl for Cetacean Networks, Inc. | fine food, good beer, Portsmouth, N.H. (USA)| or fun. alumni.unh.edu!kdc (PGP Key Available)| * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
7013 RISC POWERSTATION
I have come into a IBM RISC Powerstation Server with 4 workstations attached to it. it also has a high speed printer (1300+lines per min), runs AIX 4.1(and i have the root password this time). Also included in all manuals and COBOL Runtime Environment as well as several other misc parts. If anyone is interested please let me know. I have no clue what the equipment is worth so make me an offer. ~kurth * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Python follow-up [modadlug]
Bill: Thanks for the follow-up (even though it did manage to trigger the juvenile knee-jerk reaction squad into action). I've just finished reading Eckel's Thinking In Python and look forward to more on the subject of Python and Patterns. who's Eckel? sigh Guess I'll have to add that to the 'Who's Knuth?' blank stare I get when I talk about his work. Enjoyed the presentation. Ray -- - Raymond Cote, President Appropriate Solutions, Inc. www.AppropriateSolutions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 603.924.6079(v) POB 458, Peterborough, NH 03458603.924.8668(f) * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Python follow-up [modadlug]
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, mike ledoux wrote: Err, why are you guys dragging your language war from 'modadlug' (what's 'modadlug'?) to GNHLUG? Please don't. I didn't start a language war. I merely stated that I disagreed with a controversial statement. That may be so, but you stated your disagreement in a different forum than the one the controversial statement was made in. What is the point of that? Everyone here already knows that you like Perl. Great, now instead of a debate over which language is best, we're having a debate over whether or not we're having a debate over which language is best. ;-) -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Python follow-up [modadlug]
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Benjamin Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great, now instead of a debate over which language is best, we're having a debate over whether or not we're having a debate over which language is best. ;-) Well, both languages allow recursion... (as in recursive descent into hell :-) * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Great quote from NYT article
Microsoft's principal interest was in ensuring that its Windows CE operating system was in the box rather than improving the consumer experience. Well, they had to make a choice, right? * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Python follow-up [modadlug]
In a message dated: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 12:19:42 EST Ray Cote said: who's Eckel? sigh Guess I'll have to add that to the 'Who's Knuth?' blank stare I get when I talk about his work. Ahh, I know who Knuth is, just never come across the Eckel name before. -- Seeya, Paul God Bless America! ...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around, and we never stop trying to be better. Tom Clancy, The Bear and The Dragon * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Python follow-up [modadlug]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, Ray Cote hath spake thusly: who's Eckel? sigh Guess I'll have to add that to the 'Who's Knuth?' blank stare I get when I talk about his work. I haven't ever heard of Eckel either, but there are people who work with computers who haven't heard of Donald Knuth? Astounding. Or, did you mean Joshua Knuth? http://bulky.aecom.yu.edu/users/kknuth/josh/josh.html :) - -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8O0IFdjdlQoHP510RAva5AJ9d+Z44XexDCZzDu92Jf1AvhrUbgACfWWcN E4fVoFEGuwpZ5+NaASsautY= =aKsV -END PGP SIGNATURE- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: x86 Assembly resources
Try here: http://linuxassembly.org/ They told me that gcc does inline assembly, which I didn't know. Rich Cloutier President, C*O SYSTEM SUPPORT SERVICES www.sysupport.com - Original Message - From: Derek D. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GNHLUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; BLU Users' Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:12 PM Subject: x86 Assembly resources -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anyone know any good resources for x86 assembly in a Linux environment? Most of the stuff I've seen deals with MASM, which isn't terribly useful to me. Thanks! - -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8O0SJdjdlQoHP510RAlPBAJwLAOkJ9syhlvJiQpXOP/yCLASh7ACeIEW3 EfQdX4K8EgrWnrnbAVS6Zw0= =2RLr -END PGP SIGNATURE- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: x86 Assembly resources
Good examples are hard to find. One approach is to write C
code and then have a peek at what GCC translates it into.
A trivial example might be a file called return1234plus.c
whose entire contents are this:
unsigned long int
return1234plus( unsigned long int more )
{
return( 1234 + more );
}
...and if you then say:
gcc -S -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer return1234plus.c
...you will find the compiler has generated a file
named return1234plus.s that looks like this:
.file return1234plus.c
.version01.01
gcc2_compiled.:
.text
.align 4
.globl return1234plus
.typereturn1234plus,@function
return1234plus:
movl 4(%esp),%eax
addl $1234,%eax
ret
.Lfe1:
.sizereturn1234plus,.Lfe1-return1234plus
.ident GCC: (GNU) 2.95.4 20010902 (Debian prerelease)
...which shows (amidst all the glop) how the argument passed
by the caller is copied from the stack to the EAX register
(which is how result values are passed) and 1234 is added to it
before we return to our caller. There! Now you're an expert!
Linux kernel source code isn't the greatest, but you can find
some examples of from-scratch assembler code by standing in
a kernel source directory and saying:
find arch/i386 -name *.[sS]
Why are you interested in assembler language?
Did you stop taking your medication again?
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Re: Python follow-up [modadlug]
who's Eckel? sigh Guess I'll have to add that to the 'Who's Knuth?' blank stare I get when I talk about his work. Ahh, I know who Knuth is, just never come across the Eckel name before. OK, I specialize in this kind of trivia. Are we talking Bruce Eckel? ccb * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: x86 Assembly resources
Been to linuxassembly.org you evil cross-poster? ccb * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: x86 Assembly resources
http://linuxassembly.org/ They told me that gcc does inline assembly, which I didn't know. Yikes! GCC has supported inline assembler on some platforms for a number of years now; the kernel is littered with such sequences. Being good at inline GCC assembly doesn't take much, just familiarity with RTL (Register Transfer Language) the intermediate representation GCC uses while it performs its magic transformations of your program. RTL makes my brain hurt; the only place I know of where it's documented is in the portation guide for GCC. I have written GCC inline assembler sequences but they're basically never necessary under normal conditions. * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: x86 Assembly resources
- Original Message - From: Michael O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 3:12 PM Subject: Re: x86 Assembly resources http://linuxassembly.org/ They told me that gcc does inline assembly, which I didn't know. Yikes! GCC has supported inline assembler on some platforms for a number of years now; [snip] Well, as a mostly non-programmer, my assembly language experience is limited to the PDP-11 and the VAX, and programming some custom 8085 boards. I have done some C programming on the VAX too, but what with makefiles and all for compiling source code with Linux, about the only time I've invoked gcc directly is to get the version! Rich Cloutier President, C*O SYSTEM SUPPORT SERVICES www.sysupport.com * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
RH 7.1 on ThinkPad T21 hanging
Now that I'm using my T21 more and more, I'm leaving it on for longer periods of time. Not as long as I'd like, though, since it seems to do a hard hang sometimes. At least twice I've noticed that it happened when xscreensaver was running the greynetic hack; that's what was frozen on the screen. BIOS functions seem unaffected; the keyboard light, speaker volume and mute, idle screen power-off, and similar things are still accessible and running. Once the screen goes dark, though, nothing will paint it when a keyboard or mouse action happens; I'm not even sure it powers back up (but I think it does). The only way I've found to get out of this is to hold the power key down for 10+ seconds -- which blows away any work-in-progress, of course. :-( Has anyone here encountered anything like this? On a brighter note, VMware rocks. :-) -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ All right everyone! Step away from the glowing hamburger! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: RH 7.1 on ThinkPad T21 hanging
On Tue, 2002-01-08 at 17:54, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Now that I'm using my T21 more and more, I'm leaving it on for longer periods of time. Not as long as I'd like, though, since it seems to do a hard hang sometimes. At least twice I've noticed that it happened when xscreensaver was running the greynetic hack; that's what was frozen on the screen. Given the circumstances you describe, and assuming it's on a network, I'd try to ssh in, and see if the computer's crashed, or if it's just the console. If it is, indeed, the console, I'd go and disable gpm (/etc/rc.d/init.d/gpm stop;chkconfig gpm off), and see if it still happens. I've had problems, on and off, with gpm on any number of notebooks, and, unless you spend a lot of time in text console mode, you really don't need it (it cuts-and-pastes for console mode). Also, you might log in and check your /var/log/messages, and see what was happening right before your boot, and whether or not any of it might be pertinent. $.02 -Ken * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: [TriLUG] RH 7.1 on ThinkPad T21 hanging
We had a similar problems with our thinkpads t2[0-2]. It went away when we stopped running gpm while running X. On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Now that I'm using my T21 more and more, I'm leaving it on for longer periods of time. Not as long as I'd like, though, since it seems to do a hard hang sometimes. At least twice I've noticed that it happened when xscreensaver was running the greynetic hack; that's what was frozen on the screen. BIOS functions seem unaffected; the keyboard light, speaker volume and mute, idle screen power-off, and similar things are still accessible and running. Once the screen goes dark, though, nothing will paint it when a keyboard or mouse action happens; I'm not even sure it powers back up (but I think it does). The only way I've found to get out of this is to hold the power key down for 10+ seconds -- which blows away any work-in-progress, of course. :-( Has anyone here encountered anything like this? On a brighter note, VMware rocks. :-) -- Global Village Idiot Email: jem@sunsite^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hmetalab^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hibiblio.org http://ibiblio.org/jem/ * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: x86 Assembly resources
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So that I don't have to answer the question a bunch of times privately, I'll mention my interest in assembly. There is no specific problem that I can't address with some other language. I'm not trying to optimize the hell out of some piece of code. I just want a better familiarity with assembly, and the x86 architecture, so that when I run across it (as I do occasionally), I'll know what's going on, or at least know more/more quickly. IOW, my interest is purely academic. - -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8O51wdjdlQoHP510RAgBoAJ9HKfqEwsrksOqPmYfvSUg54yJ4+wCfb47p ayTNLtqrFHiGiJVyQugxWGM= =NBm+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: x86 Assembly resources
[Warning: Long and only vaguely on-topic post ahead. Proceed with caution.] On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Derek D. Martin wrote: Anyone know any good resources for x86 assembly in a Linux environment? Most of the stuff I've seen deals with MASM, which isn't terribly useful to me. On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Derek D. Martin wrote: ... want a better familiarity with assembly, and the x86 architecture ... I suspect this is going to open up a can of worms, but you might actually be better off with MASM and a MS-DOS machine, then. (I imagine OpenDOS or FreeDOS and TASM would work just as well, if not better.) Why do I say this? Well, I could draw on my extensive knowledge of assembler programming -- if I had any. Unfortunately, I don't. I do, however, have an over-stock in the bullsh*t department, so I'll give that away for free. Linux, like any good OS, is designed to hide the underlying hardware platform from you. Even the kernel is designed to minimize platform-specific code. I've actually traced control flow in drivers for Linux (to try and determine why said drivers were failing), and believe me, I don't know squat about drivers or assembler -- but I do have an adequate understanding of C, and that is what the drivers are written in. True, I had only a vague idea of what the code actually did, but I at least found information that lead to solutions. If the drivers were in assembler, I would have been SOL. Sure, you can program regular user-mode programs in assembler under Linux. I have had to do the same on Alpha/Digital Unix, for courses I was taking, and let me tell you -- it is boring as hell. The most important thing I learned was an appreciation of compilers. User-mode assembler programming is grunt work, pure and simple. So, unless you want to dive into the guts of GCC (which, from what I understand, has driven strong men into madness), I would guess Linux is a poor choice to learn about assembler. Now, MS-DOS on the other hand, is a different story. MS-DOS, despite the name, is not an operating system. I have best heard it described as a non-reentrant interrupt handler [1] (although it does make a nice boot loader for Linux). MS-DOS did very little for you, and what little it did, it did badly. The end result was that to do anything useful, you generally had to resort to assembler. And since there was no annoying scheduler or memory manager to get in your way, you could generally do whatever you wanted. The end result being: There is a wealth of information about hacking MS-DOS -- in assembler -- to make it do things it was never meant to do (like run programs, for instance). I doubt you will find a more complete library of literature on the subject for any other platform. If your goal really is to learn about x86 assembler and low-level machine organization, I suspect you will find the most information there. If your goal is to learn about assembler strictly under the constraints of Linux, the entire preceding sermon is invalidated, of course. And there is nothing wrong with that; it simply makes the available pool of literature much smaller. And now, as a bonus to you, the reader, should you make it this far: I have a copy of _Revolutionary Assembly Language_, by Maljugin, et. al., from Wrox Press. I have never used it; I bought it right before I met Unix, back when MS-DOS still seemed like a viable platform to me [2]. I am willing to offer it on indefinite loan [4] to anyone interested [5]. Reply privately if you are. Footnotes - [1] I saw this in an Amiga FAQ; Google indicates one Russell Williams. [2] I was young and stupid.[3] [3] No guarantees either condition has terminated. [4] The only reason I impose even this lien is that the possibility exists that more than one person might want it. [5] Should the need arise for determination: Derek gets first pick; after that, it is first come, first serve. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: RH 7.1 on ThinkPad T21 hanging
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Now that I'm using my T21 more and more, I'm leaving it on for longer periods of time. Not as long as I'd like, though, since it seems to do a hard hang sometimes. I used to have a problem like that, when I was running a buggy X server. To work around it, I combined two things: The kernel's Magic SysRq feature, and a utility called vga_reset. The Magic SysRq feature of the kernel is intended mainly for kernel hackers, but can be useful for mere mortals as well. Basically, the Linux kernel contains a very low-level routine which (if enabled) recognizes certain key combinations of the form [Alt]+[SysRq]+letter. If there is anything left of the console driver at all, the kernel should respond to these commands. One useful combination, for example, is [Alt]+[SysRq]+[U], which syncs all disks and re-mounts all filesystems re-only. That can come in handy right before the ole 120-reset. However, the particular ones I found applicable to X hangs were [Alt]+[SysRq]+[K] (kill all programs on the current virtual console (e.g., the X session)), followed by [Alt]+[SysRq]+[R] (reset the keyboard and put it in a sane state). This gave me back my keyboard, and let me do things like switch VCs with [Alt]+[Fn] combos. I could even log-in and run commands. However, since the normal X server restore screen cleanup routines never got called, I was blind -- random colored garbage on the screen instead of characters. That is where vga_reset came in. It was part of the SVGALib development toolkit, IIRC. It did what it said -- reset the VGA card (complete with BIOS copyright banner and everything). Ta-da, I had my console back. At that point, I could re-start X, and resume working. This is not expected to be a long-term solution, but more of a general aide in trouble-shooting. I hope it helps you, or someone. :) (As for why I was running a buggy X server: I was using some VGA card (I forget what exactly) that was not supported by XFree at the time. Through something approaching divine intervention, I found a working (I use the term loosely) X server on the web. It consisted of a bare XF86_SVGA binary hanging out in some directory, without so much as a README. But it worked. Sort of.) -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
