Re: [Goanet] Freedom
--- On Sat, 16/8/08, Albert Desouza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whether you buy a TV, micro wave one does not know what is the actual price for the dealer looks at you and your needs and also goan mentality and fires a price which normally is four times more that the price sold in Delhi. Don't know about microwaves or TVs, but Duracells in Delhi were 2 * cost of the same package obtained in Goa, last April. And in Agra? 3 * the cost - the printed price was craftily cut off or blacked out. Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset
Re: [Goanet] Goan friend earn A-levels
--- On Tue, 19/8/08, CORNEL DACOSTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: CORNEL DACOSTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those Goans who are now students in the UK are classified ethnically as Indians and definitely not Portuguese as you seem to prefer. If you knew better, you would know that the Indians do excellently educationally in the UK and are only narrowly beaten by the ethnic Chinese but whose numbers are small. Hmmm.. ethnicity. A confusing word indeed. I don't know about you Cornel, but when I was in the UK, I was a Paki, and when I came over to Auusie, I was a Sri Lankan - at least that's what people ignorant of my origins assumed me to be. Would a Tibetan be an ethnic Chinese? Would a Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Sri Lankan/ Malaysian Tamil/Hindoestanen (Suriname Indian) / Fijian Indian / etc be considered an ethnic Indian? I ask because I am ignorant and confused. Cheers, Gabriel. Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset
Re: [Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT SUFFERS SETBACK
Yes indeed, the cost will be much, much less, even if the govt. had to pay off the Navy to do so. However, this solution will be quite unpalatable to thoseinvestors who have already purchased land in and around Mopa hoping to make a quick buck in addition to the other quick buck they would make as contractors and suppliers and what have you. --- On Tue, 26/8/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 6. I am not convinced why the government could not intensify its efforts to move the navy to Karwar and upgrade the Dabolim airlort which would cost much less. regards, Marshall Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset
Re: [Goanet] GHANTII
Electricity. Water. Phones. They would have come to the villages in good time, increasing the infrastructure maintaining a balance between availaibility and supply, instead of the haphazard growth of supply without increasing the sources of availability, which gave rise to rationing of water and the frequent breakdowns (brownouts and blackouts) of electrical supplies. What the Portuguese gave Goans. There's more to life than electricity, running water, phones, colleges, universities, banks. Basic education - by this I don't mean literacy, but efforts to get everyone to live decently. There might not have been grand roads, but there was access to basic justice. In general, people lived safe. There was no need for bars on windows as was a requirement in cities like Bombay of that time. There were power plants in major cities, but blackouts few and far in between and brownouts non-existent. There were water supplies in the major cities, 24x7 (the same sources of water supplies are still in use). Where there were no bridges, there was river transport in the form of motorised flat-boats or ferries manufactured in Goa which are unique and still in use, now upgraded to have their own ramps (post 1961), besides motor-launches of SANI. The canal system built in Quepem/Chandor/Sanvordem, which few talk about, is still in use today providing possibilities of year-round crops. I believe the farms at Ela were proving grounds for experimental crops like hybrid rice, bananas et al. An international civilian airport at Dabolim, with its own airline TAIP, and its own fleet of aircraft manned by Goan staff. A developed harbour at Marmagoa with a large shipbuilding yard. A powerful radio transmission service (Emissora de Goa) which transmitted Konkani programmes that could be heard as far as the Gulf countries, and as I heard said, also in East Africa. But most of all, cleanliness - clean cities, well laid-out gardens where people could come and relax in the cool of the evenings. Hospitals which were well maintained and clean with a reasonable level of health-service for the major villages of those days. Finally, what the Portuguese also gave Goans, which the Brits did not give the Indians, was full citizenship of their country. This fact alone enabled Goans to assimilate into the various services of the Portuguese govt not only in Goa, but elsewhere in the Portuguese territories, like supreme court judges, heads of departments, etc. Sure, one had to go abroad to get the required qualifications, but given time, Goa would have its own educational systems in place, as it did later on, as the population increased. Goa had its share of poor, but there were Provedorias de Assistencia Publica, Albergues and other institutions to take care of them, in addition to hospitals to take care of lepers and tuberculosis patients. A few indigents used to go from house to house, doing their rounds once a week, but there were no young beggars on the streets as you see now. If I remember correctly, there was an element of free enterprise, which enabled people like Salgaoncars, Dempos, Timblos, Menezes et al to rise high in their business ventures without interference from paper-pushers or red-tape. Equally, there were checks and balances in govt, something which disappeared overnight with the enforcement of Indian-style govt regulations. Radio receiving licences were not required. The requirements for such came post Dec 1961. They were abolished years later (I was overseas by then). Ration cards were unheard of before 1964. Note that Goa got a reasonable good 'phone service only after CHOGM, for obvious reasons, not necessarily to give Goans a good service, but like China of the Olympics, to show what the Indian Govt could do, I suppose, for the occasion. I have tried to put into perspective what many people have not realized. But the fact that India was not prepared to increase funding for development was because Goa was already developed (I believe Prof Nandkumar Kamat had written something on these lines years ago). Gabriel de Figueiredo. --- On Wed, 27/8/08, Ana Maria de souza-Goswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ana Maria de souza-Goswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] GHANTII To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 12:42 AM Hi Dominic, There was no electricity in the villages, no running water, wait endless for public transport. Did the portuguese build a university in goa, did they do anything to better the lives of the goans. Besides Pharmacy College and the Medical college, one had to go to Europe or across the border for eduction. Many were educated in Hubli, Belgaum and Dharwar. Today we have schools, colleges, professional colleges. Also to withdraw money, one had to go to the city to your bank. Today it the remotest village as a bank. Goans, do not criticise what the Indians
Re: [Goanet] GHANTII
Sure, Mario (and Cornel and others), I will keep on harping on the good side of sossegado life. After all, life today in Portugal is still sossegado compared to the rat race of the rest of Europe. Why did I come to Australia? Oh! before I came to Australia, I lived in London. Why didn't I go to Angola/Mocambique? Beacause by the time I was ready for adventure, these countries were no longer Portuguese. Anyhow, I don't want to be baited out of the context. You say Goa did not have elections and freedom. Oh yes, Goa had a legislative assembly and Goa was represented at the Portuguese courts (during the monarchia) and later parliament (during the republican era). Look, I am not here to give you a history lesson, but please do yourselves a favour and get your facts right. Find out about Francisco Luis Gomes, Dr. Froilano Machado, Purxotoma Quenim, and others. Oh, BTW, kindly find out the difference between living in a village (or countryside) and living in a city. That way, perhaps having come to Goa for a holiday might be put in the right context (e.g. pig-toilet, snakes, et al). I've been in places here in Australia where the running water is only meant for bathing (yuk) and flushing, as it stinks of rotting vegetation (after all it is tank water obtained from the roof of the residence). For drinking/cooking either use boiled (yuk again) or use bottled. Walking again could mean you could swallow a fly or two if conversing with another or squishing through mud where cattle had been previously. Anyhow, its all part of the fun when one's holidaying in the countryside, but that does not mean that all of Australia is like those places. This is my last comment on this topic, as I hate repeating myself, year after year. Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset
Re: [Goanet] Goan music-4: HERALD(Goa), Aug 31, 2008
--- On Sun, 31/8/08, Valmiki Faleiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Valmiki Faleiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Goan music-4: HERALD(Goa), Aug 31, 2008 To: Goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Sunday, 31 August, 2008, 9:57 AM GOAN MUSIC-4 By Valmiki Faleiro The story is told of the ceremony to lay the foundation stone of that most grandiose municipal edifice in Goa: of Salcete (by now substantially shrunk in area and population, after Mormugao was carved out for better administration of the port.) Margão, Mapuça, Vasco, and even Quepem have rather good-looking Câmaras (Municipal buildings). Panjim does not. I was told by my dad that that a modern câmara was being built in the place where a so-called childrens’ garden stands today, next to the Garcia d’Orta (or Panjim Municipal garden, or rather, dump) is; apparently due to incorrect cement-concrete mixtures, the building collapsed whilst being built. Does anyone know the true story? And why a renewed attempt was never made? Gabriel. Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset
Re: [Goanet] Matanhy Saldanha calls for Special Status for Goa
--- On Fri, 29/8/08, Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Matanhy Saldanha calls for Special Status for Goa To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 1:02 AM the then Prime Minister of India, Mr. Jawaharlal Nehru, had assured the people of Goa that Goa would be given special status to protect its uniqueness and identity. Unfortunately, it only remained a promise. Rajan ( Matanhy), please read all the speeches made by Nehru, right from 1947 through to 1963, regarding Goans. It is an eye-opener as to how the Indian politics works. Cheers, Gabriel. Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset
[Goanet] Fw: Re: Portuguese memoirs ...
For an English translation of that article, please visit http://www.goancauses.com/gabriel_figueiredo/ --- On Fri, 29/8/08, Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रे [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रे [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Portuguese memoirs ... To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 10:22 AM Of 1961 in Goa http://tinyurl.com/65ht2j Thanks to Teo for posting it to Goa-Research-Net. FN -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org Check out Moira-Net http://groups.google.com/group/moira-net Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset
Re: [Goanet] Jazzy Joe... Encosta....
That was great. As a matter of interest, knowing that there are all the old Brazilian and Portuguese songs on the 'Net nowadays, googled encosta a sua cabecinha and got a number of You-Tube clips, including versions by a Brazilian ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKffYDVWVGU ), and by a Portuguese ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzzvqLCzCR8 ). Alongside also I found some ancient videos of Amalia Rodrigues! ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b4OUhigX5Y ) As to words to some carnaval songs (marchinhas), e.g. Cadê Zazá (http://vagalume.uol.com.br/roberto-martins/cade-zaza.html ) Cadê Zazá ?... Cadê Zazá ?... Saiu dizendo, vou alí, e volto já, Mas não voltou porque ? Porque será ? Cadê Zazá, Zazá, Zazá ? (bis) Sem ela vou vender meu bangalô, Que tem tudo, mas não tem o seu amor, Sem ela, pra que serve geladeira, Pra que ventilador ? Pergunto e ninguém diz onde ela está, Cadê Zazá, Zazá, Zazá ? (For those unfamiliar with Brazilian, Cadê Zazá means where is Zaza) Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset
Re: [Goanet] Talking Photos: Preparations in full swing for Ganesh Chaturthi on 3rd Sept
I hope all these idols are biodegradeable - especially as they will soon be thrown into the sea ... --- On Tue, 2/9/08, JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Talking Photos: Preparations in full swing for Ganesh Chaturthi on 3rd Sept To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 4:05 AM Preparations in full swing for Ganesh Chaturthi on 3rd Sept Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset
Re: [Goanet] Fw: Re: Portuguese memoirs ...
Hi Roland, Thank you for your comments. That translation is not recent - it was put up on that website about 6 years ago ... Cheers, Gabriel. --- On Tue, 2/9/08, Roland Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Roland Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fw: Re: Portuguese memoirs ... To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 7:31 AM Hi Gabriel, When I saw this article in Portuguese posted on GRN by Teotonio D'Souza, my first reaction was my God, I wish someone translates this. I could understand barely 25% of the article but I knew it was a jewel. I did not ask Teotonio to translate as he usually says I don't have the time. I could only hope someone took it upon himself to do it. I thank you and much appreciate your trouble. Never have I read such a retelling of the account of December 1961 as this from General of Police Azaredo, the enemy. It was well and simply written, told in full truth and with no bias towards either side. If I at all detect some bias, it is in favor of Goa and Goans. What a beautiful historical narrative and what skill in your translating it into good English. I recommend it to all Goanet readers. Thanks again, Roland. Toronto. On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For an English translation of that article, please visit http://www.goancauses.com/gabriel_figueiredo/ Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset
Re: [Goanet] GMC behaviour
--- On Tue, 2/9/08, jane gillian rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: jane gillian rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] GMC behaviour To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 6:55 PM I have visited patients in GMC on many occassions and I have never experienced filth in the hospital or uncouth behaviour from the staff. I am not quite sure I understand Jane. Is she saying that she has actually visited the GMC and actually found it clean? My experiences (having visited the place a few years ago): 1. Cleaners dumping rubbish out the window of the ward they were cleaning - when remonstrated, said they had no option 2. Overflowing toilets 3. Cows grazing on the rubbish 4. Dogs everywhere 5. Windows not cleaned (appears not cleaned since they were installed) 6. Dingy public room, having only one of three tubelights working (tubelights were required because hardly any light filtered through the one window wchih was covered in dust), with a scrawl on the wall on the side of the cafetaria shop reading Garbos will take over (presumably written by an Australian, as garbo is Aussie slang for garbage collectors). 7. Walls and most corners covered in paan-spit. 8. No lifts or elevators in the buildings. Quality of finish of the buildings has much to be desired. No ramps between the road and the building, necessiating strong assistance to help people on crutches to negotiate the steps. 9. Wheel-chairs of a design of the 1930s - just a metal chair with wheels attached, heavy, difficult to maneuvre, no padding. Ditto with stretchers. Could add more, but I refrain. Asilo of Mapuça is another story. Have you walked / biked / driven past the Asilo hospital? Last time I did, there were raw bloodied bandages outside covered in blue-bottle files, smell of anitibiotic everywhere, a prime location for infection if there was one. Compare that to the previous Hospital de Ribandar and Hospital Escolar, if you have contacts with any people who were treated there in the early 60s. I undertsand Dr. José Colaço did his training there during that period. Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset
Re: [Goanet] Violence Update as of August 25th and it continues! - Orissa
I don't know about the others in diaspora, but I think it is high time we got our repective parishes aware of what is happening in Orissa, so that the matter can be escalted to higher authorities to put pressure on the Indian government. --- On Tue, 2/9/08, alwin fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: alwin fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Violence Update as of August 25th and it continues! - Orissa To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 7:25 PM Here are some more shocking and brutal readings on the genocide against innocent Christians in Orissa being committed even now. Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset
Re: [Goanet] Fined for speaking Konkani
... And recently some were putting the entire blame for neglected Konkani on the Portuguese ... --- On Thu, 4/9/08, edward desilva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: edward desilva [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Fined for speaking Konkani To: goanet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Thursday, 4 September, 2008, 7:37 PM CORNEL DACOSTA said: Hi Selma And yes, I have heard about a Goan school fine for speaking Konkani, but try as I may, I have no hard evidence about this. - Reply: We were fined for speaking konkani at Monte Guirim, in the same token we were NOT allowed to keep any pocket money, we were beaten if we had any money on us. How did we pay the fine? some more beating :-(. ED. Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset
Re: [Goanet] Non metro airports face crisis
--- On Mon, 4/8/08, Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Non metro airports face crisis To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Monday, 4 August, 2008, 9:18 PM `Incidently, even there is a road passing through that strip, and cars and bikes also cross that strip between landings of two planes. :-) As far as regular non-flight traffic is concerned, one would think by now a tunnel would have been provided for the use of. As at Heathrow. Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset
Re: [Goanet] Advice on immigrating back to goa
Remy, For some, 'Home is where the Heart is'. For others, 'Home is where you set your roots'. Moving to Europe, the Americas or to Australia is not the same as working in the Middle East. In the ME it is all about making as much money as possible in the shortest period of time; moving to Europe, the Americas or to Australia is about seeking a different quality of life - for the beter in most cases, or for the worse, as some may have experienced, especially if lacking in one or more of the appropriate language, social and professional areas (my chats with many Indian taxi drivers indicate some have come to Melbourne for all the wrong reasons). So check now, as advised by Leo, and weigh up the pros and cons. Your state of health might also be another thing to be taken into consideration. Once you make up your mind, stick to it, forget what others might say or think. I have uprooted myself twice and I don't repent the last move, but sometimes I do hanker for Europe. Cheers from downunder, Gabriel. --- On Fri, 5/9/08, Leo Conrad D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Leo Conrad D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Advice on immigrating back to goa To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Friday, 5 September, 2008, 1:23 AM Remy, 'Home is where the Heart is' We always feel and visualise that the Grass is always greener on the other side. We try the same, if it works out fine if not ...? Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset
Re: [Goanet] Roadmap to make Goa 'first world' State
Florian-bab, First step towards making Goa a 'first-world' state is to curb the corruption - and from my point of view, it starts with the people. Educate them enough to create a stink should they be requested for a bribe, or, should the work which is expected to be completed in a reasonable space of time, is not completed. Only once the place is cleaned up of corruption can one contemplate on 'first-worldness'. Just my thoughts. And as a few netters have stated before, probably a useless piece of advice from afar. Anyhow, I have stated the obvious. Cheers, Gabriel. --- On Mon, 8/9/08, floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Roadmap to make Goa 'first world' State To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Monday, 8 September, 2008, 10:21 PM ROADMAP TO MAKE GOA 'FIRST WORLD' STATE Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset
Re: [Goanet] Goans in Swindon
Dignity of labour. That is something missing in India, probably because of the caste system. I am glad you have brought it up, as well as showing the other side of the coin - i.e. there is goodness in humility. I am indeed proud that Goans have stood up for themselves in places far away, sometimes starting life with zip in their pockets. Long may their tribe live. Cheers, Gabriel. --- On Thu, 11/9/08, Geraldo Oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Geraldo Oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goans in Swindon To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Thursday, 11 September, 2008, 6:42 AM Re: Goans in Swindon Their achievements, although with fewer skills, are by no means less than those of other Goans who have migrated to this Country. ... Most of the Goans in Swindon have secured permanent jobs and many have bought their own homes – and continue to do so. It is no shame to have to work for a living in a new Country, even if it means on the minimum wage so derided by Selma Carvalho. We feel that it is better than being unemployed and living on the dole at the taxpayers’ expense. ... I was once humbled but inspired by an Irishman in Dublin, where I was employed, who, when asked about his job, replied without shame or hesitation that he was a ‘street cleaner’. There is dignity in employment even if it means working in a chicken factory. Gemma Arterton proudly said ‘my mum was a cleaner my dad was a welder and I am a Bond girl’. Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset
Re: [Goanet] FW: OCi or PIO
What's the advantage, other than not having to obtaining a visa everytime you want to travel to India? Once your kids start talking in a foreign accent, you are treated as a foreigner anyway - higher price lists at restaurants, higher entry fees at museums (sometimes as much as fifty times the cost) etc. though I have not noticed this trend in Goa - only in the other parts of India. --- On Mon, 4/8/08, cesar pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: cesar pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] FW: OCi or PIO To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Monday, 4 August, 2008, 4:55 AM Dear all, Would some of the Goanetters be in a position to put some light on which of the two options is better to retain Indian citizenship? Is it by obtaining PIO or by acquiring OCI ? Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset
Re: [Goanet] Acquiring Potuguese Passport - Help needed
First of all, you do not acquire a Portuguese passport - what you do is re-assert your Portuguese Nationality. I think this has been mentioned by Paulo CD and others. To my knowledge, no-one outside India recognises documents issued in India, for obvious reasons. They have to be checked and double-checked. I know of a case here in Melbourne, where the parents have asserted their Portuguese nationality, as also their younger son who was born here in Melbourne. But they are still struggling to get assertion for their older son, who was born in Goa. It is now almost two years. Yes, sometimes these things take time, unfortunately because of the utter unreliability of Indian documentation. Cheers, Gabriel. --- On Mon, 22/9/08, JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Acquiring Potuguese Passport - Help needed To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Monday, 22 September, 2008, 6:01 AM Acquiring Portuguese Passport - Help needed Quote: Hi Joe, I am writing to you in the hope of getting some solution or assistance for my problem, i am sure if you can't help me there might be some lead that you could give me with regards to this. I have reached the end of my tether with regards to my father - in - laws Portuguese Passport. I had submitted the papers via Gomindez (Jet International in Goa) , the documents were notarised and attested by the Portuguese consulate in Goa and sent to the Conservertos in Lisbon. I was told by Gomindez we have to wait on an interview appointment however, a year gone by without any information i called the Portuguese Conservertas and gave them my reference number, they said that the documents are pending as they need some old documentation to authenticate the earlier documents.We do not have any old documents whatsoever issued during Portuguese reign and this was also informed to Gomindez before handing the case over to him, now we are stuck in a rut and dont know what to do. I am in the UK at the moment and our visa is due to expire in February. Could you please help us with any information that might assist us in progressing with the case. Your help will be highly appreciated. Kind regards, == In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] Nostalgia #8
There is a story that Erlich came to Goa as a civilian, a few months before the invasion, to spy the layout of the land. And as a civilian, he was allowed practically free access to the Dabolim airport, tarmac and all, which was then a civilian airport. Don't know if this story is true or false. Having seen the airport, that was free of any military aircraft and fortifications, wonder why there was a perceived need, on part of the IAF/Navy, to bombard the place. In any case, at least one civilian aircraft took off from the damaged airport under the cover of darkness (piloted by the very guy who was in charge of the airport, as he knew every inch of it), so bombarding it only made it impossible for the IAF/Navy to land any planes at Dabolim (they were circling around overhead for most part of the day on the day after the invasion - yep I saw them). And if Goa was indeed liberated, why is the airport still in the hands of the Navy? BTW, some of those photographs have been on the supergoa.com site for years now. As to the other photograph, which you made a reference to me somehow, please note the following observation in a published report... During the first two days following the conquest, of course, there were a few Goans, especially among the Hindus, who joined the renegade supporters of the integration movement and others who had come to Goa as camp-followers of the Indian army, singing hosannas to the conquerors and to their all-powerful patron in New Delhi. Inevitably, there was some flag-waving and cracker-firing, even if it was not spontaneous Check also the news in the TIME magazine of the period. --- On Sun, 21/9/08, Francis Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Francis Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Nostalgia #8 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Sunday, 21 September, 2008, 3:39 PM Nostalgia Pic #8: _ 1961: A portrait of Goan Air Vice Marshal Erlic Pinto, the Indian Air Force's Operations Commander-in-Chief (Western Air Command), who was in overall command of the IAF's Goa Operations during the December 1961 Liberation of Goa. Powerful air-cover sweeping from Diu to Pune provided a secure canopy for the invading Indian troops. Sadly, this great son of Goa perished exactly 45 years ago this year, in an helicopter crash on November 22nd 1963. http://2008goanconvention.com/nostalgia.php FR. _ Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] Eco Clean: The INOX cleaners to keep GMC Hospitals clean!
That's something to look forward to. I do hope that the company lives up to its ideals denoted in its nomenclature: EcoClean. Besides the clean-up, I hope the govt invests in 1. repainting the hospital buildings inside and out using ecologically sound and low-odour paints (e.g. water-based clay paints); 2. providing ramps for wheel-chair access 3. appropriate patient-handling furniture (wheel-chairs, stretchers, etc) Cheers, Gabriel. --- On Thu, 25/9/08, Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Eco Clean: The INOX cleaners to keep GMC Hospitals clean! To: Goanet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 3:27 PM Dears, This is the news I was waiting to see: fellow Britto Old Boy BOB Roy Vas will now make sure that the GMC Hospital in Bambolim is at least half as clean as INOX multiplex that his boys keep spotlessly clean. Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] Nostalgia #12
Ah! Those were the days. Rare visitor that I was as a child to the Margão garden, I remember a childrens' area with its seal, slide, swings et al. Don't know if this equipment / furniture still exists. It’s a Portuguese legacy that warrants looking after, if only for the sake of children. Gabriel. --- On Thu, 25/9/08, Francis Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Francis Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Nostalgia #12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 4:37 PM Nostalgia Pic #12: _ 1964 - 2008: then and now: Margao Municipal Garden - 44 years apart. Green turns into grime - what was once an oasis of colour in the centre of the city has turned into barren desert, defaced by an ugly grill encircling it, totally at odds with the trellis-like gate design. Known as the Praca Jorge Barreto, the northern section was for kids, quaintly named the Aga Khan Children's Park. http://2008goanconvention.com/nostalgia.php pics: courtesy: Tony Fernandes: http://tonferns.blogspot.com/ Jose Lourenco: http://goanarchitecture.blogspot.com FR. _ Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] Does anything belong to the Goans at all?
Dear Rajan, If it wasn't for Dr. Jack de Sequeira, nothing would have belonged to Goans. Goa, it appears, needs to be saved again - this time from the marauders from over the borders, both national and international. BTW, I was very surprised to hear a noted Goan lecturer at LaTrobe University, after a recent visit from Goa, say, Goa has been taken over by Indians. Ah well, the way he was going on about Goans being Indians, I thought he was all in favour of that long ago ... The guy who wrote Sorrowing lies my land must be mighty pleased at the way things have developed, after all he was in favour of that too. Apologies if my sarcasm is biting, but I am fed up to the teeth with Goans bickering over petty issues, in the meanwhile Goan patrimony / heritage goes to the dogs ... Gabriel. --- Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I'd just check. Came across this today on a hill in Dhargal, Pednem taluka, not far from the Shantadurga temple - http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/sigrun.jpg Sigrun is already taking bookings for a project in Sangolda. See - http://www.sigrun.in Regards, r Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail now. www.yahoo7.com.au/worldsbestemail
Re: [Goanet] Nostalgia #15
Thank goodness the so-called freedom fighters haven't seen VdeG at the top - or else it would have faced the same fate as that of the statue of Luis de Camões a few hundred metres away. A silly act, if I might say, as the famed poet did not attack, but praised and immortalised the Isle of Love (Anjediva) in his poems. The pedestal, without its rightful owner, is a bit weird, as the pedestal, in the way the Portuguese did these things, has references to the poet. The same goes for the pedestal which features Jai Kisan/Jai Jawan(???) on the Miramar roundabout which, if I am not mistaken, has Afonso de Albuquerque's voyages embossed on its circumference. Gabriel. --- On Sun, 28/9/08, Francis Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Francis Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Nostalgia #15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Sunday, 28 September, 2008, 3:41 PM Nostalgia Pic #15: _ 1956 - 2006: then and now: the Viceroy's Arch in Old Goa, where they all took office - 2 views, 50 years apart. The older pic on the left was taken in 1956, 2 years after it was restored from its 1948 collapse. Built of green granite and laterite stone in 1597 by Viceroy Francisco da Gama, it is crowned by a small statue of his grandfather Vasco da Gama in full royal regalia. He faces the river Mandovi, whilst the Rua Direita rolls peacefully under the great arch into serene Old Goa. Picture: courtesy of Goa-central and moitas61 on flickr, by spl. request. http://2008goanconvention.com/nostalgia.php FR. _ Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] Dr Jules De Melo a East African Goan
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28th_May_1926_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat and, if you can understand Portuguese, see http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolu%C3%A7%C3%A3o_de_28_de_Maio_de_1926 Essentially, the revolution of 28th May was a military action that put an end to the unstable Portuguese First Republic (established in Oct 1910) and initiated the National Dictatorship (Salazar et al) that would last until the Carnation Revolution in 1974. Gabriel. --- On Tue, 30/9/08, Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Dr Jules De Melo a East African Goan To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Tuesday, 30 September, 2008, 6:02 PM In 1958, Dr Jules De Melo gave a speech in Kenya, about the significance of 28th May to Portugal and its regime. Any information on either Dr Jules De Melo, or the significance of 28 May to the Portuguese would be appreciated. many thanks, selma Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] Sewage mixes with water in Panaji again
Until and unless the water pipes are pressurised 24x7, the water supplies will get contaminated. This stupid rationing of piped water started by the Bandodkar govt so that all villages could get their share of the water, without building on the existing water treatment facilities originally built by the Portuguese India govt. The babus, who ought to have known better, complied with the wishes of the then CM, because after all, what did the Goans know? Like some eminent editors who came down to Goa from Bombay to show Goans what a land without sorrow was, they needed to prove themselves. So the institution of 1-hour per day of water in the pipes. Just like in Bombay. The next 23 hours the pipes, laid in Panjim in the 1950s, slowly rust. I am sure that if you dig around for the pipes, you won't find them - probably just a hollow tunnel where the pipe used to be, if hasn't spurt a major visible leak during the time when the water actually flows through (and in case - who cares? are these leaks ever reported unless it is a nuisance?). So naturally, during its period of enforced rest, there is no water in the pipes as it has either been sucked dry by pumps which come into action as soon as the water is released by the authorities, or has gone down the slope to the lowest tap in its route. Now if there is a sewer leak or overflow, this gets into the now-empty water pipe, waiting for the next release of water. And bingo, the sewage that has infiltrated into the water pipes has been sucked by the pumps of the high-rise buildings or forced into the taps of the neighbouring households. I wish these PWD engineers would insist on expanding the water treatment facilities and prevent these instances of water contamination within the network. Their comments show how water can get contaminated, but do little to prevent its occurrence. Gabriel. --- On Sat, 27/9/08, D'Souza, Avelino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: D'Souza, Avelino [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Sewage mixes with water in Panaji again To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Saturday, 27 September, 2008, 6:19 PM Sewage mixes with water in Panaji again 27 Sep 2008, 0353 hrs IST, Andrew Pereira,TNN PANAJI: Sewage entering the water supply network on the 18th June Road in Panaji has rendered water unfit for consumption along the road, as well as Menezes Braganza Road. ... The same night, we saw an overflowing sewerage chamber on the footpath right outside a popular eatery on the 18 June Road and we dug around a water pipeline nearby, the engineer said. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Sewage_mixes_with_water_in_Panaji _again/articleshow/3532766.cms ~(^^)~ Avelino Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] Nostalgia #18
And the make up of taxis, as far as I can make out, left to right: Possibly a Ford Peugeot 304 Mercedes Vauxhaul Cresta PA Ambassador Peugeot 404 Ford Consul (1957-58) possibly an Ambassador --- On Wed, 1/10/08, Francis Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Francis Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Nostalgia #18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Wednesday, 1 October, 2008, 2:45 PM Nostalgia Pic #18: _ May 1972: Panjim Ferry Wharf, more than three and a half decades ago. Yesterday's Customs House pics seem to have struck a chord, judging from the response. Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] Who uses rumour?
Ah rumours! Countries have been invaded based on rumours. Why, even Goa was invaded based on rumours spread by the Indian press and Indian intelligence fed to the armed forces. Read excerpts from Bharat Rakshak relating to Goa. Even one ex-Navy gentleman on another network claimed that Goa was to be part of NATO (what? What is NATO for goodness sakes!). Rumours have always been used as a subterfuge to cloak the deeds of malefactors. So nothing new here. --- On Wed, 1/10/08, Jason Keith Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jason Keith Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Who uses rumour? To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Wednesday, 1 October, 2008, 3:04 PM 2008/9/30 Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Reference Mario's statement aboveit should be established by now, that operation on the basis of rumour is really the Hindu right wing's modus operandi. They are the kinds that spread all sort of vicious rumours that lead to killing and death. It was a rumour that started the Godhra incident, it was a rumour that Muslims from outside the state were coming in with knives that fueled the planned violence in Sanvordem, it was a rumour that a muslim was eve-teasing that sent off tensions in gandhi bazaar in Margao. Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] East African Goans called Black Europeans?
My wife was born in Ocean Road hospital, in Tanzania, and her nationality is stated, on the birth certificate issued in Tanzania, as Portuguese. Obviously her parents were Portuguese citizens. So I'm not sure whether Goans claimed to be of Portuguese descent or or of Portuguese nationality. The author may have mistaken one for the other, as Indians did not have a British nationality, rather they were British-protected citizens - correct me if I err in this respect. Gabriel. --- On Wed, 1/10/08, Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] East African Goans called Black Europeans? To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Wednesday, 1 October, 2008, 4:24 AM In a book by Robert Gregory, documenting the role played in Asians in African politics, he writes, Many Goans claimed to be fully of Portuguese rather than Indian descent. Many Goans were quick to learn English, adopt European dress even for women, and live and eat in European style. The Goan clerks in government service were conspicuous in joining Europeans on the cricket field after work. Some took European wives and became more British than the English.: They were sometimes derisively called the Black Europeans. Is this an entirely British perspective. Can East African Goans of the time comment on the authenticity of this statement. best, selma Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] Goa smokers take their last puffs in favo urite café
Smoking has been banned from all public places in Melbourne for over 6 years now, including at railway stations. And it was banned in restaurants for way longer than that. So much so, that when we flew over to London via Frankfurt in mid 2004, we got sort of nauseated in the transit lounge at Frankfurt where there were smokers everywhere, some smoking those horrible Gitanes. Even more astounding (for us, that is) was that an Indian restaurant we went to in Tower Hill then, did not have a non-smoking area. I daresay I was a smoker in my younger days, but gave up cold turkey after burning up close to forty the previous day, some twenty years ago. Fortunately, there were only three of us, all smokers, who worked in that room at 170 Upper Richmond Rd, and it was darned hard effort on my part to keep away from the weed when that number was reduced to two ... Today, I cannot stand the faint drift of smoke that sometimes comes through the air-conditioning ducts, as the smokers puff away on their smoko break outside the building ... Ah well, that's life. Gabriel. --- On Wed, 1/10/08, Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Goa smokers take their last puffs in favourite café To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Wednesday, 1 October, 2008, 6:00 PM http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?sectionName=id=08525f4b-2b24-4bf0-a50f-ab683b25cc45Headline=Goa+smokers+take+their+last+puffs Smokers may argue that their fundamental rights are being infringed...what about the human rights of the non smokers to not inhale your smoke? -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London. Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] Navy vs AAI (at Dabolim)
--- On Thu, 2/10/08, Philip Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Philip Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Navy vs AAI (at Dabolim) Indian Navy Not to Shift their Base from Goa http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=51831n_tit=Indian+Navy+Not+to+Shift+their+Base+from+Goa The Officer says, on the one hand that Military airfield is military airfield implying that no co-existence is possible. Pardon me? But when did it become a military airfield? It was always a civilian airfield until the Navy was given a caretaking role by the military govt after the invasion. Was there ever an agreement with any Goa Govt to convert Dabolim to a military status? Was there any directive from the Central Govt making Dabolim into a military airfield? If yes, could the Navy share it with us Goans? What about the other places currently occupied by the military? Are there any directives from the Central Govt allocating these areas to the Army / Navy? There appears to be a MOU wrt Anjediva, but according to a recent report on the net, the Navy seems to be abusing its powers disregarding the MOU. I heard his explanation of why some new activities cannot be shifted to Karwar. He said that the airfield there could not be more than 4000 feet. Why that cannot suffice for helicopters, trainer aircraft and carrier based planes I am not able to fathom. They are excuses, my friend, to continue to stay in loverly Goa. I had made similar observations a couple of years ago to an arrogant ex-Navy Goa-netter, who stated some bulldust that Goa had a unique position to monitor space. There is need for an Indian Base Realignment And Closure (BRAC) exercise to rationalise air bases in the country and relieve civil enclaves of onerous loads like flight training in the urgent interests of low cost connectivity in a large and topographically challenging country like India and an aesthetically attractive (and peaceful) region like the Konkan. You can say that again. Cheers, Gabriel. Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] Civic reforms needed. Raise the bar. What 'Incredible' India ITO?
That reminds me. I was travelling Singapore-Mumbai on SIA, and we were about to land. The usual announcement re laptops / electronic equipment to be switched off. A bloke of Indian origin, kept on using his laptop. Air-hostess was ignored. Then comes the purser, who proceeded to tell the guy off in such a manner that he literally squirmed in his seat. I could hear threats of arrest etc. Only then was the laptop turned off. I always use SIA to travel Melbourne-Singapore-Mumbai and vice versa enroute to Goa, and it is the Singapore-Mumbai sector that I usually feel embarassed with the behaviour of some deshis. The worst offender the last time I travelled, was the traffic control at Mumbai - delayed our flight unnecessarily by 3 hours, thereby causing onward connection issues. Thankfully, SIA accomodated and rearranged onward flight plans, including arranging that the last flight from Brisbane to Rockhampton be delayed by some minutes to accomodate my son's late arrival at Brisbane (we split at Singapore, he going to Brissy and I to Melb). He was the first person out, was rushed through immigration and customs by SIA personnel, and put on the flight to Rocky, at Brisbane. That's what I call real service. Gabriel. from a bright and sunny yet cool Melbourne (hail expected tomorrow, but that's Melbourne for you). --- On Sat, 4/10/08, Ruby Goes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ruby Goes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Civic reforms needed. Raise the bar. What 'Incredible' India ITO? To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 3:02 PM http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1195318pageid=2 Yes, they're out of their seats and at cabin lockers retrieving their bags during the landing. Seen it with my own eyes. The hostie intervened. The writer has adequately stated the horrors of getting about on the Subcontinent. Maybe that's why I've given Goa a miss these last 2 years. Recent terrorism activity is another deterrent to TRAVEL IN INDIA. Bad news for all of us. Wouldn't mind a drive to Vagator, Madam Sosa with no ice but cold soda and lots of lime juice and Konkani radio. Au revoir. rubygoes (non resident Goan) Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] Goa Police-Fomento nexus yet again!
--- On Mon, 6/10/08, sebastian Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: sebastian Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Goa Police-Fomento nexus yet again! To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Monday, 6 October, 2008, 10:35 PM According to the reports received 4.50 pm today from Quepem Police station 9 people are arrested at the instance of Fomentos mining company. Seby, Did the arrested persons ask on what charge are they being held? Did they break any laws? If not, it appears that the Police are breaking the law... Regards, GAbriel. Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] Konkani in Romi or Devanagri lipi?
FYI, there are a number of Asian languages that use Roman alpbhabets with accents (some accents developed specially for them). One of those languages is Vietnamese. So what if Konkani is written in the Roman alphabet with the appropriate accents? It does not become Portuguese - does it? And what if Portuguese words are used as in the old days? It only makes the language richer. Check any old Mandó, e.g. *Adeus* korcho vellu pauló... *Despedido* korchar vellar ... etc. In Portuguese, every letter used is pronounced, eg. p-si-qui-a-tri-a as opposed to the English pronounciation where the p is silent as in (p)sy-chi-a-try. Note too the difference of pronouncing y (used as a vowel) in that word, whereas in the Portuguese language, vowels are largely constant. I don't know exactly what you mean by stating writing Konkani in Romi alphabet with English phonetics. As in the Devnagiri script, there are different ways to write vowels using the Roman script - English is lazy, so there is one one way to write vowels but a myriad ways to pronounce, and probably herein is the rub. Using accents on vowels enrichens the vowels - a á i í e é ê o ó ô u ú. As an aside, English phoetic spelling is the worst-ever punishment inflicted on the current Y-generation in many parts of the English-speaking world, as many of the new generation cannot spell properly. Usage of spell-check is useless, as e.g. lose and loose have different meanings; and a large number of people in the English-speaking world don't know the difference between possesives and plurals. Cheers, Gabriel. --- On Mon, 6/10/08, Alvaro Peres da Costa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Alvaro Peres da Costa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Konkani in Romi or Devanagri lipi? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Monday, 6 October, 2008, 8:04 PM Tumkam borem zaum, Miguel-bab. I am, indeed, one of those who are very conscious of the ground realities in Goa. Unless we shed our christo-centric based paranoia about the Devanagri-script medium for our beloved mother tongue, we can say good-bye to any hopes of a standardised/harmonized Konkani in the long run, let alone any hopes of an enriched Konkani literature. Without a standardised medium for Konkani and its elevation to levels of medium of education and intellectual discourse - I dare say, to my despair - its extinction in the not too distant future could not be discounted, what with IT-borne incursions of the English medium. Have you ever tried to get an exclusively English-phonetic-Romi-alphabet-trained Goan to read out any of the myriad of texts written in the Romi lipi? Given that underlying these texts are Portuguese phonetics, have you noticed the incongruity of the resulting pronunciation? And, can you imagine writing Konkani in Romi alphabet with English phonetics? I do appreciate that for some of our Goan brothers and sisters of the older generation, mastering Konkani's natural script, which is Devnagri, is more easily said than done. Fortunately, though, the relatively younger generation is largely familiar with Devnagri (through primary education etc.). This factor alone holds out an ardent hope in my heart that we are relatively only a short step away from a standard lipi for that precious element, Konkani, that is so fundamental a part of our identity and culture. Oi, mog assun-di (or is it voi, mog as'di?) Álvaro (alias Alvito) Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] Introducing a young Goan entrepreneur - information that you can use
Hey that gives me an idea. An entrepreneur directory online. Perhaps as a forum for feedback. I am a Citroen fan. There's a forum, www.aussiefrogs.com, of which I am a member, and there's a sticky which deals with Citroen Parts and Service List (see http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=6ff2897402120e706618d04becf5a22ef=11 ), giving a list of shops and services provided by the users of the forum, in form of fedback. Users often give their views of experiences with the various companies they have had dealings, good and bad. Cheers, Gabriel. --- On Tue, 7/10/08, Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Introducing a young Goan entrepreneur - information that you can use To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Tuesday, 7 October, 2008, 9:10 PM Tony, a good idea. If you have a good experience with some local small-time entrepreneur, please share it with us. We always have a shortage of good service providers in Goa! And if someone has had a negative experience, why not share that too? As long as your criticism is based on facts... FN Tony de Sa wrote: Peter Pereira is a young Goan entrepreneur from Dongorim , Navelim Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] On wells_question
Try my grand-father's house, next to BigFoot, in Loutolim (Melo, or Rao Sahib Joaquim da Costa might get you there). Access to the well round the back. Incidentally, my uncle, Dr. Alvaro da Costa, has built a St Michael's Garden (with assistance from Jocelino Maendra Alvares) opposite the house , so you shouldn't miss it. Besides being the deepest well I've ever seen (over 50 metres), from what I can remember, it is cut through laterite rock all the way down. Cheers, Gabriel. --- On Wed, 8/10/08, Venantius Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Venantius Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] On wells_question To: Goanet Mail list goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Wednesday, 8 October, 2008, 7:41 AM Hello all, Could you share any information on wells in Goa. The deepest wells. Wells cut in rock all the way to the bottom. Wells with tunnels. Wells that have hoary histories. Wells with multiple pulleys. Wells with staircases and stairwells in wells. Wells with caves in one of their walls?! Wells with lamps. Gated wells. Odd shaped wells. Conjoined wells. Try and keep it to real wells, but metaphors and all manner of fantastic thinking also welcome. venantius Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] Build up Zero Chances within Zero Tolerance
--- On Mon, 6/10/08, Laluram Salvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Laluram Salvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Build up Zero Chances within Zero Tolerance To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Monday, 6 October, 2008, 6:40 AM Response : It is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain, and exceptionally true, that almost all terrorists are Muslims. Oh c'mon Laluram, perhaps you've forgotten the Catholic/Protestant terrorists in Ireland, the Basque terrorists in Spain, the Hindu terrorists right there in India (a couple of whom died in the process of making bombs), the Indian army itself going berserk in Hyderabad, Goa, Nagaland, Kashmir at various times ... Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] Don't Target Converts - article by Michael Pinto
--- On Wed, 8/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Don't Target Converts - article by Michael Pinto To: goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Wednesday, 8 October, 2008, 2:29 PM Don't Target Converts by Michael Pinto (Times of India dt.8.10.2008) ... The only legitimate ground on which conversion can be opposed is if it can be shown to have resulted from the use of force or fraud. Several states, including Orissa, have enacted legislation to prevent conversions by force or fraud or even inducement. Hmmm... Can politicians be taken to task for converting people from being party A adherents to party B adherents by force, fraud and inducement? The saris, TVs, motorbikes, etc. freely given to voters before any election could constitute inducement; the false promises made before elections could constitute fraud; I am sure there have been instances of force being used, but I'll let that pass for now. Gabriel. Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] Ref: Builders facing hardship - Article on Navhind Times dated 08-Sep-2008
--- On Thu, 9/10/08, Freddy Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Freddy Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Ref: Builders facing hardship - Article on Navhind Times dated 08-Sep-2008 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Thursday, 9 October, 2008, 12:26 AM Ref: Builders facing hardship - Article on Navhind Times dated 08-Sep-2008 Mr Alemao exhorted the CM to act fast as the problem has reached such proportions, that the builders may even resort to suicide, which will only give the government a bad name. Invested? Bribed more likely ... First get the basic amenities and infrastructure in place then only go for the development, Quite right. Melbourne's suburbs are in a building boom. Plots are planned on paper with roads clearly marked. Next step, any artificial lakes (if in the plan) are dug and areas levelled for drainage, underground drainage channels are built, water and sewerage pipes are laid, electric supply, telephone and comms lines are laid, lines are laid for public lighting, roads are built up to proper standards, and finally plots are marked. This is all done by the service providers in conjunction with the local govts (aka municipal councils) and property developers. Then only are the plots sold. But none of this takes place before the plans are placed before the public and any objections investigated. There have been cases of objections being overruled by tribunals, and these overrulings have sometimes backfired as in the recent case of methane gas making incursions into newly-built houses on top of ex-landfills. Property developers have to be very cautious as to investing, as values can go down very quickly if there are serious objections. It appears that Aleamo's precious builders invested first (bribes?) without due diligence being undertaken as to the suitability / reaction of populace. Gabriel. Melbourne. Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] An interesting article
In addition, a look-up on Francois Gautier on the 'net indicates his attitude towards people of different castes - won't go further on this obnoxious topic. --- On Thu, 9/10/08, floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] An interesting article To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Thursday, 9 October, 2008, 3:03 PM Comments Dear Dr. Anil, The below post that you have taken so much trouble to re-post and solicit coments does not cut any ice with the ground realities for the following reasons:- 1. That the author gives himself away as a complete fanatic taking up for the Hindutva cause, more so flagging his Christian name and his Christian origin. Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] Nostalgia #26
Isn't this the site where some Polish princess is supposed to have been buried? --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Francis Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Francis Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Nostalgia #26 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Friday, 10 October, 2008, 5:18 PM Nostalgia Pic #26 ___ 1957 - 2005: then and now: almost 50 years apart, 2 views of the historic ruins of the Church of St. Augustine in Old Goa. For some reason it actually seems a little greener now, possibly moss and surrounding foliage. Constructed through the joint efforts of 12 Augustian Friars, the church was completed by 1602 AD. Interestingly they eventually ran afoul of the authorities, and a ban was imposed by the Portuguese government against the Augustines. The church and the convent thereafter were deserted, only this lofty 46-metre high tower, one of four, remains. There were eight richly adorned chapels and four altars, and the convent had numerous cells and artistic columns attached to the church. http://2008goanconvention.com/nostalgia.php Pics: courtesy used by request - moitas61 on flickr; suresh_krishna; FR _ Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] The Printed Word: 1961, an (almost) official look at Goa's story
--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Goanet News [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Goanet News [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] The Printed Word: 1961, an (almost) official look at Goa's story To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Friday, 10 October, 2008, 11:48 PM 1961, an (almost) official look at Goa's story It's time Goa undertook some realistic and unemotional views of its recent past, writes Frederick FN Noronha, in a review of some recent books on the region. ... Nearly five decades after 1961, we are still struggling to understand a military, political and de-colonisation experience in context. ... Other chapters focus at the provocation from Angediv, the Portuguese plans for the defense of the Estado Portugues da India (sic), and quite elaborate details of the military operations. Folks, The past is past, and nothing, sweet or sour, will bring back the past. However, we need to understand that Goa's freedom was not won, nor was India's for that matter. I won't talk about the latter, but suffice to say, the British could no longer trust their well-trained WWII British-Indian armed forces to do their bidding, nor were there enough British officers to go around, and British-India was a large country (just finished watching a documentary on Bose Hitler, which adds credence to what I've just said). Goa's freedom was not won - Goans are a conquered people. Once again. India's use of Force in Goa by Arthur Rubinoff (available in India at Purana books) indicates views from a number of entities, including Communist Russia (a load of exagerated allegations from my point of view). It appears that the October 1961 Afro-Indian seminar turned into an attack on India's Goa policy, which commenced the whole invasion process. Nehru then talked of cases of torture and a wave of terror in Goa. Then came, of course, Nehru's visit to the US, presumably to obtain assurances of support in the event of military action. What followed was an intense but often inaccurate and self-contradictory press campaign designed to make it appear as though Portugal was giving India provocation for an attack. In reality, this clumsy endeavour served to discredit the Indian position... It was reported in the daily [Indian] press that Goa was an armed camp of 12,000 troops, where roads were mined and bridges guarded. In addition, the preposterous claim was advanced that Radio Goa threatened to bomb Indian cities. Indeed, it was even asserted ... that the Portuguese troops raided a village inside the Indian border.. The book states that the magazine Link also published an imaginative story so as to rouse up people on the Indian side, such as ... mass-arrests, flogging and locking up of people unable to comply with army orders. The reality, was of course to seek an excuse to take action in Goa. The book further states that From what they [international journalists] saw, the journalists painted a far different picture than the one presented by the Indian Government. Sir Walter Crocker, the then Australian ambassador to India, in his book Nehru - A Contemporary's Estimate, writes Certain foreign newspapers of standing, like New York Times, the Baltimore Sun, the Daily Telegraph, and the Times, happened to have their correspondents, responsible and trained observers, in Goa at this time ... What struck them all were the lies - 'fantastic lies' was the term used to me by two of them - about the internal situation in Goa being poured out over the Indian radio and in the Indian press prior to and during the invasion. Some of the correspondents doubted if there were any volunteers [supposed to be between 15,000-20,000 volunteers and Goa commandoes at Belgaum ready to invade Goa] at Belgaum at all. One thought there might have been a handful there, mostly clerks and minor political types brought down from Bombay and dressed up for the occasion, for photographic propaganda purposes. ... Most of the Indian newspapers did their best to glorify the invasion, including spreading misinformation about the Portuguese, such as that they had carried out a 'scorched earth policy'. Indian journalists in fact were not allowed into Goa for nearly a week after the invasion.. Carrying on with Rubinoff's book, ... The Portuguese defenders ... numbered less that 3500 that had been stationed in Goa two years before. Those that remained were under no illusions. They constituted a force only large enough to put down an internal uprising, and there was no evidence of such a rebellion. Similarly, evidence in Goa contradicted charges of an imposed curfew, just as it refuted the projected military build-up. In order to assure they would not be responsible for any military contact, the Portuguese forces withdrew from four strategic border positions. Furthermore, they were told not to fire first, but only to defend
Re: [Goanet] Damage to Places of worship - Cuncolim
I wonder ... Is this somebody's idea of implicating those 'Christians' in this deed? In a similiar manner that Indian troops crossed the border and returned back firing their machines guns (as if the Portuguese sodiers were doing the firing and attacking Indian troops), in pre-61, are these agents provocateurs stirring up the pot in Goa? Reading the latest findings on the Godhra incidents also sends a very fishy smell indeed ... --- On Fri, 10/10/08, godfrey gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: godfrey gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Damage to Places of worship - Cuncolim To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Friday, 10 October, 2008, 3:23 AM Temsion was averted this forenoon when some persons discovered some damage to the ghumti ( rakhondar) and a temple just 100 meters away from the Petrol pump at NUSI Cuncolim. Though buses were off the road for some time normalcy was restored. Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
[Goanet] Portal do Cidadão (Citizen’s Po rtal)
Folks, I am not sure if people know it, but one can access a number of Portuguese Government services on the 'net. E.g. if your birth is already registered at the Conservatória dos Registros Centrais, you can obtain your birth certificate and other related documents directly from “Certidões Online” (a tab on the Home Page of the portal), without going via the consulate, and it normally takes three weeks from experience (airmail to Australia via registered post with acknowledgment). If anyone is interested, check http://www.portaldocidadao.pt/PORTAL/pt . Registering on the portal is necessary to avail of services, and you have the option of requesting a free weekly newsletter. I have been a subscriber to this newsletter now for a while now, and I get a weekly update as to official rulings and other events in Portugal. One of the more interesting news was the progress of Magalhães, the portable computer for e-Learning, from launch to actual delivery, at the beginning of the new school year, when 500,000 units were distributed to primary students in the first cycle. It is an updated Classmate2 based on the Intel Atom microprocessor running at 1.6GHz, has a 9” screen, 30GB h/d and 1GB RAM. Besides being for distribution to most schools, it has also been made commercially available (Discover Portugal version) for 285 euros, and will be available at a subsidized rate for other students in the second cycle. See also http://www.portatilmagalhaes.com/ Cheers, Gabriel. Melbourne. Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
[Goanet] On the anniversary of the concentration camp o f Pondá
On the anniversary of the concentration camp of Pondá Carlos Morais in: Expresso, 30 March 2006 19 March was the 44th anniversary of an unforgettable episode that took place in the Prisoners' Camp of Pondá, in Goa, where 1750 Portuguese soldiers were incarcerated, after the Indian Union invasion of that territory [Goa], on the night of 17 December 1961. Three of our soldiers planned to escape, making use of the van that collected garbage daily. Scheming with the team in charge of this service, they decided to lie low in the garbage container of the van. They were intending, once out, to escape. Just as the vehicle stopped at the guarded exit, for no reason, the Portuguese sargeant in charge of the garbage-collection team decided to denounce the escape of three soldiers to the Indian commandant. The three, noticing what was going on, got off the van and tried to escape. One of them still managed to succeed in escaping, mingling with the our soldiers. This resulted in an environment of agitation and nervousness. The field commander, an Indian major, gathered together the Portuguese officials and communicated to them that if cases of this nature were to happen again, he would be obliged to shoot the persons responsible. Commander Pinto da Cruz, the most senior officer, still verbally resisted the threat, but the Indian major was absolute. At around 18h30, there was an unexpected call to fall in order. When the prisoners had fallen in line, brigadier Sagat Singh, general-commander of the Prisoners' Camps of Goa arrived. He declared to us that there had been an act of indiscipline and that he had presented himself there to resolve it. On what occurred later, Fr. Joaquim Ferreira da Silva (SJ), chaplain of the Prisoners' Camp of Pondá, later wrote in an article for the magazine «Magificat»: «The Indian brigadier arrived (...) He ordered the soldiers to fall to order and asked if anyone wanted to punish the informer. Contrary to expectation, the boys answered in chorus: ' All! ’ The man was going towards the wire-fence. The brigadier asked if they had understood well. And the answer was the same: ' All! ’ He then ordered a firing squad to prepare themselves and to load the machine guns. He had bazookas and mortars placed outside, in front and at the rear. An incalculable tension reigned, when the least incident could be enough for everthing to explode. The boys, nervous, could not restrain themselves. A voice is then heard: 'Any one who moves will be shot down’. I was convinced that it was my obligation to intervene, and, in spite of the final threat, I walked with slow but sure steps, with my eyes on the brigadier (...). Having been informed that I was the chaplain, he shouted irritably: ‘Come forward!’ And I went forward. I requested permission to speak and requested him if I could say saying something to the men, as chaplain. But the answer was emotionless: 'No! It is too late! It is necessary to teach all a lesson’. I insisted, requesting him to give to the men an opportunity. He denied again, asking if we had been mistreated at anytime. I answered no, but that we had already suffered enough and we deserved another opportunity. Again he said 'no' without emotion, and turning around he ordered the firing squad forward. I started on a last desperate appeal, convinced this would be useless: 'Sir, gives us an opportunity. This has been the first time. There was no reason, except as a complaint. Please give us an opportunity’. ‘All right then’, he answered, ‘but tell them this would be the last time’. I thanked, saluted and approached the formation, where the men were awaiting for over twenty minutes, and said them: 'Friends and comrades: none of us can stop condemning the action of that comrade who incited us to revolt. We can, however, and should have interpreted well his intention. Justice will be done, but not here nor will it be up to us to do it but for the one who has the right to do it. Remember your parents and mothers who long to hug you from afar. Conserve your courage for a more opportune occasion, where you might be better able to use it in the service of the homeland. Are you willing to do as I ask? The answer was in unison: 'We are’. I then approached the brigadier and told him that the soldiers were willing to do what he asked them. ‘All right then’, he answered, ‘but they have to apologise’. I went again to the formation: 'Boys, the brigadier would like an apology’. After they apologised in chorus, the brigadier was content. I thanked, saluted and went away. The storm had ended. All the officers who met me huggged and congratulated me. But I had been only a happy instrument in the hands of divine providence». This self-sacrificing and courageous attitude of Fr. Joaquim Ferreira da Silva saved us certainly of a disgrace of unpredictable consequences. We all owe him one. It is lamentable, however, that at official level and at
Re: [Goanet] On wells_question
Hi Alfred, Rao Sahib was conferred on Dr. Joachim da Costa, veterinary surgeon, by the British-India govt for services provided in NEFA, I understand. Whether it was for services or an invention of his (a device to operate on horses in a standing position), and when exactly it was conferred, I am not exactly sure - have to ask my Mum. Also, I am sure you know that the sundial on the Loutolim Church grounds was installed by his brother, John da Costa, an extremely gifted person (civil engineer, artist and music composer). Cheers, Gabriel. --- On Mon, 13/10/08, Alfred de Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Alfred de Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Goanet] On wells_question To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Monday, 13 October, 2008, 9:55 AM Querido Gabriel, BTW Gabriel, in which princele state did Rao Sahib serve and received his title? Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] ATTENTION ALL ACTIVISTS
I don't like that idea - might be OK for the US, but not OK elsewhere. Remember - those who live by the sword, will die by the sword. There have been cases where the owner's gun was used to harm/kill the owner. Violence begets violence. The most practical methods are being sensible and always aware of the surroundings. Anyhow, a gun is useless if you are not trained to use it, nor are you willing to harm or injure the adversary (a natural reaction for many of us, as we are no longer trained to kill). How many people have been mugged or faced an offender unexpectedly? And those of you who have, have you been able to think straight at all at the time? I am talking out of experience, for I was mugged on Priory Rd, North London, many years ago. Cheers, Gabriel. --- On Tue, 14/10/08, Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] ATTENTION ALL ACTIVISTS To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Tuesday, 14 October, 2008, 9:53 PM 2008/10/14 Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Rather than live like a rat, NRIs could raise money so that activists can arm themselves for self-defense. It is legally allowed to have licenced arms for self-defense in India. If a couple of these goons were eliminated in self-defense, they would have learnt a good lesson. regards, Samir RESPONSE: I like your idea but if one is prepared to carry a gun they should also be prepared to use it. I would support this issue how much does a licensed hand gun cost in Goa? -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London. Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] ATTENTION ALL ACTIVISTS
That reminds me... When I was working at the Brazilian Naval Commission in Europe in the 80s, a newly-appointed Brazilian officer arrived and, as I was told some time later, carried a gun on his person (as he used to in Brazil) for a few days until he was desisted from doing so by his superior, even though he had diplomatic privilege, because it was officially against the law to carry a gun unless authorised by the British government. Anyhow, at the end of his commission, he went back to Brazil via Miami, Florida, and it was there that he was quietly relieved of his belongings - in the two years he was in the UK, he had lost his habit of carrying a gun! My best wishes to the brave souls for a speedy recovery, which should have gone in the first posting ... Gabriel. --- On Tue, 14/10/08, Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was trained to use a gun, pretty good shot too. Incidentally, I have read that Luizinho Faleiro is licensed to carry a hand gun. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London. Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] Talking Photos: WE SHALL OVERCOME (Protest Meet 2)
Subodh Kerkar with his art http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/2946619873/sizes/l/ The above is reminiscent of the cartoons that appeared on some international newspapers after that invasion of Dec 1961. One particular one shows a knife in Gandhi's back, with the word Goa on its hilt. Another is the ghost of Gandhi in chains behind Krisha Menon, with Krisha Menon saying Gandhi is not here, is he? --- On Fri, 17/10/08, JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Talking Photos: WE SHALL OVERCOME (Protest Meet 2) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Friday, 17 October, 2008, 5:20 AM Talking Photos: WE SHALL OVERCOME (Protest Meet 2) I was very happy with the number of people turned out at a short notice. Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] Talking Photos: WE SHALL OVERCOME (Protest Meet 2)
--- On Fri, 17/10/08, Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रे [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रे [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Talking Photos: WE SHALL OVERCOME (Protest Meet 2) To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org ... For obvious reasons (cultural biases and geo-political interests), the NYT carried Goa on the frontpages for almost a fortnight, with a series of amazingly one-sided coverage. It is good that you have copies of the NYT. “Amazingly one-sided coverage” is probably closer to the truth than you think. Have you read the Indian papers of the era? Was there any truth in them - re “armed build-up”, “attacks on villages”, “jet-fighters at the ready” et al? What about some communist papers that stated that the Americans were building state-of-the-art air-bases in Goa? That they were shipping loads of arms to Goa? I suppose you know the type of arms that were used by the 3,000 or so personnel and that most of them ran out of ammunition especially in the marshes of Diu where the only bit of real resistance was shown to the Indian armed forces? On the other hand, the former Soviet Union was painting itself in a progressive light, supporting de-colonising movements across the globe Quite correct, with a view to propagating its Marxist-Leninist doctrines, leading to bloody revolutions in the emerging nations. India and other Afro-Asian countries over-looked the fact that Russia had itself invaded Hungary and other states in an obviously imperialist expansion. Self-interest was the obvious reason for such propaganda in the international media (we know how one-sided and neo-colonial the transational newsflows then were). Of course, the self-interest was on both sides, that of the international community and its antedulivan Portuguese allies, and of course the post-British Indian state, in its national building frenzy. I am not sure whether there was self-interest at work here, or genuine concern that a small place like Goa would be overrun by uncouth Indians, which today, the truth is all apparent. With the privledged elites and the middle-classes (who had it good) largely supportive of the Portuguese, and the bulk of the population of that time hankering for a better deal. Are you sure it was the “privileged elites” and “middle classes (who had it good)”, or those who knew what it was to live in post-1947 India? My father, for one was pro-Indian until the actual fact occurred, when his disillusionment was all too apparent, because although he passed via Bombay on his voyages to Europe, he had little contact with the actual Indian administration. On the other hand, his brother, a teacher in Damão, was more observant, and had seen the post-1947 Indian-style democracy, with all its corruptive practices, was definitely pro-Portuguese. Those who couldn’t care less who “ruled” over them were the field-workers and those whose livelihood depended on manual labour. Anyhow, can you tell me if the land-reforms that were introduced in the mid-60s (effectively stopping competition among the tillers), has actually increased agricultural output? What is its effect today? Why is agricultural land being sold today to the nearest property-developer? Of course, there were complications too ... like the support to the Portuguese by the poor Goan in Bombay, pushed out from his homeland Bah! You call this “poor Goan in Bombay, pushed out from his homeland” … come out with the facts man. Say that a person no less than the Archbishop of Bombay, Cardinal Gracias, was requested by Nehru to change the attitudes of Goans in Bombay, who refused to join in the anti-Portuguese morchas and generally favoured Portuguese continuing in Goa; that Cardinal Gracias sermonized (and probably the priests of other parishes were requested to comply) for Goa’s merger with India; that there was a referendum, and the results were that a large majority was against merger of Goa with India; that after this negative referendum, a number of intellectual Goans in Bombay were intimidated, newspapers closed, editors given a “Rajan” treatment, Goan Institute given a work-over to get at the funds; and you call these guys “poor Goan in Bombay”? The result of the above, was, when questioned by a reporter on these results, Nehru’s answer was “Goans are in domestic service”, a demeaning remark with respect to Goans, if there was one; as also Nehru’s statement to that fact that India would take over Goa even if the Goans wanted the Portuguese to be there. Tell me, if there is any book by an Indian author on the “liberation” movement, that states the above facts? due to the inefficiencies of Portuguese colonialism in the first place. Pardon me? Why is there such a mass movement today, as I’ve stated before, not only from from Goa, but also from India, to places like Australia and Britain? Why
Re: [Goanet] A proud Indian: HERALD(Goa), Oct 19, 2008
--- On Sun, 19/10/08, Valmiki Faleiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Valmiki Faleiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] A proud Indian: HERALD(Goa), Oct 19, 2008 To: Goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Sunday, 19 October, 2008, 11:10 AM A PROUD INDIAN By Valmiki Faleiro If asked again, “Which country do you hail from?” I will probably say Costa Rica, Cabo Verde, or Caracas! Valmiki, why not say you're a Goan? Then you can explain where or what was Goa and what it has become now ... Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] A proud Indian: HERALD(Goa), Oct 19, 2008
Thanks Doc - something you and other netters might be interested in... http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=kVI59w1fsjofeature=related --- On Sun, 19/10/08, J. Colaco jc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: J. Colaco jc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: A proud Indian: HERALD(Goa), Oct 19, 2008 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Hey, Joe! (2)
--- On Mon, 20/10/08, JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Hey, Joe!(2) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Monday, 20 October, 2008, 7:34 AM Hey, Joe!(2) Rich or big bhatkar people too leave Goa and they leave Goa for money, I mean for more money. You may be wrong there. There are not many rich or big bhatkar people. That is a myth. Bhatkar people pay foro but get nothing in return. Bhatcar is not even allowed to lease the land to someone else even though it is lying fallow -- mundcar's grandsons are all in the Gulf minting money, mundcar's son has rebuilt the house bhatcar gave to his father, into a better house than the bhatcar, and no longer needs to work in the bhats. So what else to do? Bhatcar converts prime agricultural land into non-agricultural (as it hasn't produced anything in the last few years) and sells to the nearest real-estate developer. This is the result of the Land Tenancy Act. So, there is nothing wrong on our part to make some money on properties etc. which we only sell once. True. Goods (or land) once sold, cannot be taken back. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Bandh - Edward De Silva
Expected that from someone ... A bandh is not just a strike - it is a general, all-out closure of everything. And if someone dares to break it, even if it is an emergency, there is bound to be violence. I haven't heard of private buses or cars being stoned or burnt during a London Underground, Bus or Taxi or when all the three sevices go on strike. Have you? --- On Tue, 21/10/08, Rahul Mehrotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rahul Mehrotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Bandh - Edward De Silva To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Tuesday, 21 October, 2008, 3:01 AM While indeed unfortunate that a Bandh has been called, the write edward desilva, mentions imagine a UK or London Bandh Clearly failing to think about the number of times transport workers have called a strike in London, whatever the reason, a strike is a strike. So there is no need to get judgmental and pretend that strikes do not happen overseas. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] These 3 pics taken this evening
Looks like a paddle-steamer out of Louisianna (USA) or Murray River backwaters (Australia) ... Pride of Goa - Hah! --- On Tue, 21/10/08, JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] These 3 pics taken this evening To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Tuesday, 21 October, 2008, 5:19 AM These 3 pics taken this evening At 6.30pm http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/2959201882/sizes/l/ what is this? A giant Wheel? http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/2959202210/sizes/l/ clue here – Goa’s pride (4 of them so far) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/2958359471/sizes/l/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet] India has come to Melbourne ...
This morning, I went to a ATM near Preston Market. I had to do a double-take - in the corner, conspicuous by its presence, was a bright-red splotch. That left by paan. It could not be anything else. A paan-chewing idiot had done his bit to leave his DNA behind. I don't go to the Melbourne central district very often, as my workplace is in the inner suburbs. A visit as recent as yesterday indicated a huge number of Indians - students or recent arrivals to the work-force, I couldn't be too sure. Anyhow, I wish these new-comers would be given intsruction on behaviour (especially mobile-phone etiquette) and pointers on driving. A car such as a Holden Commodore or Ford Falcon (3.5-4.0 litre V6) is large, always have automatic transmission and power-steering, and rather cheap in the second-hand market as most are ex-fleet. They have good acceleration, and if one is not aware, one can easily go from 50 to 100 in a couple of seconds. These cars are favoured by most new-comers to Australia. Compared to a Maruti, these vehicles are in a completely different class in terms of handling and comfort. Being quiet and having no gears to change one tends to be lulled to a false sense of speed unless one constantly views the speedometer, which the Indian driver is not used to. Another area which Indian drivers are lacking is the awareness of the surroundings, e.g. checking the mirrors before manoeuvering, and driving at the speed limit, i.e. keeping up with the flow. There have already been a couple of fatal accidents in as many months in Melbourne, involving Indian drivers at the wheel, which I put down to inexperience with automatics and power-steering. Gabriel. Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] India has come to Melbourne ...
Did I say I have a poor opinion of Indians? Anyhow, do you know of any other culture that chews paan and leaves red blotches behind? The great leaders, past and present, have given a great example of how Indians generally behave. Nehru's lies, Menon's lies, jeep scandals, Bofors scandals, scams involving most leaders, etc. have shown the Indian way to the world. No wonder nobody believes Indians anymore. There appear to be more rotten apples than good ones at present. On another tack, I am really concerned on all the nuclear deals. Some day, an equivalent of Chandra Shekar Jha will scream at the UN That is a matter of faith with us. Whatever anyone else may think, Charter or no Charter, Council or no Council, that is our basic faith which we cannot afford to give up at any cost then go ahead and blast an atomic device at some other country ... GdeF --- On Wed, 22/10/08, Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] India has come to Melbourne ... To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Wednesday, 22 October, 2008, 11:44 PM Why do you have such a poor opinion of Indians, Gabriel? :-) RKN Gabriel de Figueiredo wrote: This morning, I went to a ATM near Preston Market. I had to do a double-take - in the corner, conspicuous by its presence, was a bright-red splotch. That left by paan. It could not be anything else. A paan-chewing idiot had done his bit to leave his DNA behind... Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
[Goanet] River Princess
I presume the dead River Princes is still entrenched at Candolim beach. It is now 8 years or more. Nobody seems to be bothered. Since it is probably stuck for good now, perhaps some enterprising person could make the best out of a bad bargain - buy it off the owners, spruce it up nicely, and convert it into an expensive hotel... Cheers, Gabriel. Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] India has come to Melbourne ...
Dear RKN, Thank you for your sagacious advice. Thank goodness I'm not a diplomat, least of all an expert in international matters. Let's see what transpires in the next few years ... Cheers, GdeF --- On Thu, 23/10/08, Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] India has come to Melbourne ... To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Thursday, 23 October, 2008, 4:41 PM Dear Gabriel, ... Please sit tight and keep reminding yourself of the quagmire that is India, lest you feel tempted to take a trip to the forsaken place once in a while... The next para reveals your persecution complex rather than ground reality. You're no expert on international diplomacy, buddy! Cheers, RKN Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] India has come to Melbourne ...
Marlon, Thank you for your explanations, and it could be the work of some person other than Indian. Maybe I was prejudiced when I wrote that piece. Sometimes reading past history does that to one. My apologies to anyone who got offended by my insinuations. No more from me on this topic. Cheers, Gabriel. --- On Thu, 23/10/08, marlon menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: marlon menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] India has come to Melbourne ... To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Thursday, 23 October, 2008, 6:08 PM Actually, a form of pan is quite popular in Taiwan and parts of China. It is made with the same betle nut seed. It is in fact a cultural icon there and is sold by hot looking women in specially designed stalls. I even have a coworker of mine in Taiwan who has his own beetle nut farm. It is also common in the Phillipines and in islands in the Pacific and I suspect in many other parts of the world. Just because you saw a blotch somewhere, you jumped into a conclusion that it was the handiwork of an Indian. Furthermore, let us not forget about a still popular western custom of chewing and spitting tobacco! If your attitude is not prejudiced, I dont know what is. I suggest you educate yourself a little bit more about the world and India in particular. Marlon ps. I had pan for the first time two weeks ago on a short trip to India. I loved it! Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] India has come to Melbourne ...
--- On Sat, 25/10/08, Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] India has come to Melbourne ... To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Saturday, 25 October, 2008, 12:26 AM --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Gabriel de Figueiredo Are you now implying that most of your fellow Indians dishonest? fellow Indians? Santosh, you should have been with me at Lal Quila (Red Fort) last April and convinced the security fellows I was a fellow Indian. I was told in no uncertain terms to buy a foreign ticket, even if I was from Goa. Oh, BTW, I did try to speak in Hindi. What is it that makes them so? Is it their genes, upbringing, caste, color of the skin or religion? Ah! you're the scientist. This sort of analysis is your forte, I should think. Cheers, Gabriel. Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] FW: GOA CPI(M) RALLY CALLS FOR STOP TO THE JOINT EXERCISES WITH U.S. NAVY
--- On Sun, 26/10/08, Thalmann Pareira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Thalmann Pareira [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] FW: GOA CPI(M) RALLY CALLS FOR STOP TO THE JOINT EXERCISES WITH U.S. NAVY To: Goanet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Sunday, 26 October, 2008, 6:08 AM Communist Party of India (Marxist) Date : 24 - 10 - 2008 Press Release GOA CPI(M) RALLY CALLS FOR STOP TO THE JOINT EXERCISES WITH U.S. NAVY 1. Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, our first Prime Minister, in line with India's policy of anti-imperialism and non-alignment was of the firm opinion that the entire Indian Ocean should be a zone of peace and that U.S. imperialism should not have even a toe-hold on Indian soil. It was the intelligence information that Dr. Salazar (the then dictator of Portugal) was about to give Mormugao Port on long-lease to the U.S.A. for putting up a naval base here, which prompted Pandit Nehru to swiftly send in the Indian Armed Forces to liberate Goa on 19-12-1961. Pandit Nehru thereby prevented the setting up of a U.S. Navy base in the Mormugao Port which would have been a perennial thorn in the flesh of India. This intelligence information, apparently supplied by the then USSR was a total fabrication. So also that Goa was to be NATO base. Then again, The Indians believed that the Portuguese had a squadron of F-86 Sabres stationed at Dabolim Airport — which later turned out to be false intelligence.. The Pandit Nehru seriously contradicted himself when he sent armed forces to conquer Goa, Damao and Diu, which saw bloodshed. He should have given this action serious thought if he wanted the Indian Ocean to be a zone of peace, and acquiesced to his professed doctrine of peaceful co-existence. Gabriel Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] Looking for information re exact day of Goa's independence
--- On Mon, 3/11/08, Venantius Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Venantius Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Looking for information re exact day of Goa's independence To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Monday, 3 November, 2008, 1:04 PM My question: What was the reason for there being no midnight Mass? Was it form of protest, fear, plain respecting the liberapendence so no life as usual, or something that cannot quite be put in words -- at least in 1961. venantius Ans: Probably due to fear and/or protest at the banditry of the victorious over the conquered: 1. A number of Goan women were assaulted (e.g. in Saligão, Margão, Alto-de-Porvorim, Panjim), irrespective of whether they were Catholic or Hindu. Check The Current of 3 February 1962, a weekly published in Bombay; 2. A number of churches were plundered and desecrated at gun-point (e.g. in Canácona, Panjim); troops paid nightly visits, in groups, on Catholic Churches, ostensibly for the purpose of looking for concealed Portuguese soldiers; 3. Indiscriminate killing (e.g. at Calangute, Cansaulim, Bogmaló). I have not gone into detail re above, in the interests of brevity. The press was also subject to far more stringent censorship by the Indian military authorities (and the civilian government that followed it) than in the Portuguese regime. According to Sr. Fernando de Noronha in Momentos do meu Passado (Third Millennium) - Christmas that year was different. An atmosphere of tension prevailed. There were various incidents in Goa - robberies, assaults and rapes at gun-point - sometimes carried out by highly-placed officers of the military, and curiously, in cities and towns like Ponda, where a family was assaulted and a recently-married hindu woman was violated. ... The well-being of Goans was not respected during the [Indian] military regime, which acted despotically, nor during the civilian government that soon followed. Incidentally, according to Sr. Fernando, censorship continued even to the 80s, as a doctor in Panjim and a judge in Margão received letters in envelopes meant for the other, apparently the result of being opened either in Bombay or in Goa. Gabriel. Search 1000's of available singles in your area at the new Yahoo!7 Dating. Get Started http://au.dating.yahoo.com/?cid=53151pid=1011
Re: [Goanet] The opposition from the Freedom Fighters
--- On Sun, 9/11/08, Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would anyone in their sane minds celebrate their mother's rape ? Was your mother raped? That is what happened to us 450 years back, Ah! your mother is 450 years old... But then, as history says, the Portuguese were invited by Timoja to get rid of the Muslims - so your mother was a Muslim ... Naguesh Karmali gave most of his young life for Goa's freedom. Did he gain freedom for Goa? Oh really? Perhaps the Indian armed forces were called in by Karmali; or perhaps you call military occupation of Goa's port and airport, freedom. Does Portugal count in today's world first of all ? Ah! what is World First of All? Population count? Population density? A majority that lives under the poverty line? I mean other than wine and football what do they have to show Plenty, my friend, plenty. All you have to do is look around you. Find your perfect match today at the new Yahoo!7 Dating. Get Started http://au.dating.yahoo.com/?cid=53151pid=1012
Re: [Goanet] Opposition from Freedom Fighters
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tut Tut, Mr. Karmali - Ethel da Costa http://www.colaco.net/1/EthelTutTutKarmali.htm --- On Mon, 10/11/08, Bonefacio Lopes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bonefacio Lopes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Opposition from Freedom Fighters To: goanet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Monday, 10 November, 2008, 4:22 PM All the portuguese lovers should go ahead and celebrate the Portuguese week ... A luta continua , let's go ahead and celebrate the Portuguese week , where are all those portuguese speaking lovers who only wish to apply for the port. passport but do not want to come out in open and fight it out . Bonefacio Com certeza tem influência Portuguesa, Tem influência Portuguesa com certeza … (with apologies to Amália Rodrigues) Find your perfect match today at the new Yahoo!7 Dating. Get Started http://au.dating.yahoo.com/?cid=53151pid=1012
Re: [Goanet] Naguesh Karmali
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] He may have been in prison for his activities. But with due respect for the person, that does not making him a freedom fighter per se, as he, along with all other so-called freedom fighters, did not gain freedom for Goa. You may call him and his compadres activists (or terrorists in today's parlance if they involved blowing up facilities or carry illegal arms). Did these freedom-fighters have at least an idea of forming a government? If not, what did they expect to do after the Portuguese left - with or without the assistance of the Indian Armed Forces? How did they expect to organise Goa's well-being? --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Teotonio R. de Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Teotonio R. de Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Naguesh Karmali To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Tuesday, 11 November, 2008, 9:06 AM * G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Naguesh Karmali, b. at Kakoda, on 5th Feb 1933 studied at Portuguese primary school and did further studies in Marahi, Hindi, English and Konkani, member of NCG in the territory, specially in South Goa; organized several underground activities to evoke anti-Portuguese feelings among the people from 1953 under the guidance of Tony D'Souza; created a bad of workers for the movement; was arrested on 15th September 1954 in Rivona while busy with large scale preparations to celebrate Terekhol Day in Goan on 16th Sept. 1954; was kept in police custoy for about eight months, then tried and sentenced to eight years of rigorous imprisonment, and suspension of political rights for 15 years; was kept at Reis Magos jail and then shifted to Aguada till he was released on 17th May 1959 under General Amnesty; suffered total imprisonment of four years, eight months and two days; after release continued underground activities till the Liberation of Goa. While in Reis Magos jail edited a handwritten magazine Zot in Konkani. Was awared tamrapatra by the Central Govt. in 1971 Source: *Who's Who of Freedom Fighters*, Goa Gazetteer Dept, 1986, Vol. 1, p 169 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:23:59 -0800 (PST) From: Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Naguesh Karmali and Portuguese empregad To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Naguesh Karmali was one of the freedom fighters who was given a huge imprisonment by the Portuguese. Those Goanetters who call him fake dont know history. Find your perfect match today at the new Yahoo!7 Dating. Get Started http://au.dating.yahoo.com/?cid=53151pid=1012
Re: [Goanet] Naguesh Karmali and Portuguese empregad
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Mon, 10/11/08, Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Naguesh Karmali and Portuguese empregad To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Monday, 10 November, 2008, 7:23 PM They should also ask what their fathers were doing when freedom fighters were fighting for freedom. Licking Portuguse boots, being Portuguese empregad, or slaves? Not licking any boots, thank you. If it wasn't for my father, Goa wouldn't have had the Kala Academy. He sacrified a potential lucrative career abroad and concentrated in raising up the Goan musical standards to a higher level, and gave Goa a Symphony Orchestra. It wasn't easy, an uphill battle to found the Academia de Musica and the Orquestra Sinfonica de Goa in 1952, and even tougher battle (the music teachers went without salaries for over 18 months) after the events of 1961, thanks to the blinkered vision of some your freedom fighters, who are doing something similar today. He obtained scholarships for Goan students to go abroad to further their musical careers. The last Gulbenkian scholarship was presented to a cellist, Alexandre Mascarenhas, by none other than Maria Aurora Couto in March 1962, to further his studies in Germany. Other fathers were top judges, eminent surgeons and heads of administration. There was no need for them to lick anyone's boots (seems you've got this fetish for boots for a long time now ...) neither did they pay anyone to get to where they were, nor were they any slaves to anyone - they commanded respect. They were pretty well qualified for their posts and did an extremely well job for their time. Gabriel. Find your perfect match today at the new Yahoo!7 Dating. Get Started http://au.dating.yahoo.com/?cid=53151pid=1012
Re: [Goanet] Naguesh Karmali and Portuguese empregad
Where were you when Goa got freedom? The freedom in Inda allowed any citizen to stand for political office. Why didnt you stand for political office or participate in some way ? It is precisely because citizens have abandoned responsibility that the situation is as is. Dont blame the freedom fighters for it. You have abandoned responsibility and embraced Australia as your nation. Good for you. Leave us to deal with our problems. We dont want armchair criticism without any constructive action from guys who have abandoned all responsiblity/ownership of Goa/India. Also, what trust has been missing in India since pre 1947 ? India couldnt have produced a Gandhi in such circumnstances then. Also, dont accuse me of not knowing trust without any credible backing for your statements. regards, Samir --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Naguesh Karmali and Portuguese empregad To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 10:26 AM --- On Mon, 10/11/08, Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Naguesh Karmali and Portuguese empregad To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Monday, 10 November, 2008, 7:23 PM Their sons are now sitting in Australia and UK and are teaching Indians freedom. Yes - we know what freedom with responsibility is. I suppose you have never known the concept of trust. Something that was present in Goa until a few years after 1961, and something that has been sorely missing in India since before 1947. Get lost guys, no one in Goa is listening to you. You are not needed. Sure, that's why I suppose I'm in Australia. Likewise, using the same logic, I wonder why some India-lovers are abroad - they should be in India, loving all that is Indian ... Gabriel, aren't Muslims human? They sure are. Ask Shivaji (then) and the RSS goons (now) who are committing worse atrocities today against the Muslims, like ripping out babies from their mothers' wombs ... All I was doing is point out your irrational logic. You cannot compare what happened 450 years ago to what happens now. You are free to have the last word on this Samir. I will not make any more comments on this topic. Find your perfect match today at the new Yahoo!7 Dating. Get Started http://au.dating.yahoo.com/?cid=53151pid=1012 Find your perfect match today at the new Yahoo!7 Dating. Get Started http://au.dating.yahoo.com/?cid=53151pid=1012
Re: [Goanet] Hindutva Terrorism
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Thu, 13/11/08, Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Hindutva Terrorism To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Thursday, 13 November, 2008, 3:57 PM --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The retaliation was just an excuse. Who actually took responsibility for the murder of the Hindu swami? Who were then targetted? Here is a Reuters news story on the ongoing investigation, which mentions the retaliatory nature of the riots, and states who and how many have been arrested in connection with the initial and subsequent crimes committed: http://in.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=INIndia-35824220081006 Thank you, Santosh, for the information. However, a cursory research on the net throws a rather confusing picture. As I said before, the Swami's murder was the spark (i.e. an excuse) that finally lit the fuse that was smouldering since last Christmas. Who really lit the fuse or ordered the lighting of the fuse will be known in due course. Let's see what further investigation by the authorities brings up. Cheers, Gabriel. Find your perfect match today at the new Yahoo!7 Dating. Get Started http://au.dating.yahoo.com/?cid=53151pid=1012
Re: [Goanet] My friend, my companion ..
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Renew your wedding vows in Goa, or gift a Ceremony Package to a close couple Multiple options to make your day extra special! http://www.renewalsetc.com --- On Fri, 14/11/08, JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] My friend, my companion .. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Friday, 14 November, 2008, 3:22 AM When such things happen (loss, breakages, theft etc), in Konkani we say or console ech other saying ‘Kaim nezo, kit et tem tejevoilian vosum’ (let any future loss or evil acts etc may go with it (Camera). Last time something similar happened to me (the whole distributor/igintion system on my old car went AWOL a number of Christmasses ago), I consoled myself (and calmed the wife) by saying The guy's need was probably greater than mine. So off to the wreckers yards to procure a second-hand system (AU$75.00), then the trouble of fitting it, remove the timing-belt cover and getting the timing right (a neighbour lent me his strobe-light for the purpose). In terms of photos lost, I really feel for you. Anyhow, keep smiling, things could be worse :-). Cheers, Gabriel. Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] The Exact Role and Definition of NRI's in Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Renew your wedding vows in Goa, or gift a Ceremony Package to a close couple Multiple options to make your day extra special! http://www.renewalsetc.com --- On Thu, 13/11/08, Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] The Exact Role and Definition of NRI's in Goa To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Thursday, 13 November, 2008, 11:35 PM Let me also state categorically, that it is the influx of foreign remittances that keeps Goa's economy bouyed. Money earned by the sweat of their brow, not by demeaning themselves or prostituting themselves in shady deals and get-rick-quick schemes which are all too common in Goa. Correct me if I'm wrong. I understand that a few years ago, when India was facing bankrupcy/shortage of foreign currency, it was the NRIs who propped up the country's finances by sending money back home. So if those Goans in Goa who demean NRIs had any integrity, they would duly acknowledge the contribution of this community. Selma, the Goans in *India* who demean NRIs particularly attacked those in Australia and UK, not necessarily those in the Gulf - I think it is because of the false perception that those in Australia and the UK have it easy. Little do they realise that we Aussies pay as much as 45% of our income in taxes. That what remains, after meeting daily expenses and the mortgage loan payments (a mortgage loan, for those who don't know, is the long-term loan taken from a bank to pay off the purchase of one's own home), is a pittance. I really feel for the newcomers to Australia, as house-prices have really hit the roof - I understand the same has happened in the UK, though these days, the prices have slid down a little this side of the pond. What has kept the prices from sliding all the way are the reductions in interest rates, nearly 2% in the last few months (some banks have yet to roll out the reductions made by the Reserve Bank). Cheers, Gabriel. Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Re: [Goanet] Goans' tryst with pirates ( and US Africans ! ).
--- On Sat, 22/11/08, eric pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: eric pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goans' tryst with pirates ( and US Africans ! ). I was not surprised: the Foreign News Desk editor is African American. Generally hateful to immigrants, their xenophobia towards Indians has now reached a new high. This was what I was talking about roughly a month ago, though Dr. Santosh Helekar and the ever-present Mario G disagreed with me ... The xenophobia towards Indians is not only in the circles mentioned above, but also in certain parts of Africa, in Singapore, China and Malaysia. Please don't bother asking me why it is so - it could be cultural, or display of unclean habits (I have been told that the Indian quarter in Singapore is the most unclean part of town - my wife's experience a few years ago) through thoughtless / careless attitudes of disposal of rubbish. I know of a Goan couple who wanted to go across to mainland China from Macao, along with other Goan friends - the former were refused entry by the Chinese because they were holding Indian passports (the latter carried Portuguese identity papers), with the comment Indian - disease - go back - it appears that these were the only English words the Chinese immigration officials knew. My comments on xenphobia against Indians are based on experiences of behaviour by officials of various countries that I've visited and comments of friends' experiences, not a figment of my imagination. While I am at this computer, allow me to advise all NRIs who hold foreign passports, to check the visas whenever they apply for one to visit India. Errors have been known to crop up, something that happened to me recently. When I checked my visa after collecting it from VFS (the new company that handles acceptance of passports), I found that the visa was issued in my wife's name, quoting my wife's passport number. After a lot of hastle via the VFS and the insistence by the Indian consulate that they did not have my passport after it was given for corrections, it was finally found at the Indian consulate, filed in an inappropriate pigeonhole, when I went there personally to investigate. The person at the consulate insisted that she had not issued me an incorrect visa until I pointed it to her, requesting her to cancel it to avoid problems at Indian immigration. You can draw your own conclusions. Gabriel. Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=otherp2=aup3=tagline
Re: [Goanet] Goans' tryst with pirates ( and US Africans ! ).
--- On Sat, 22/11/08, Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goans' tryst with pirates ( and US Africans ! ). To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Saturday, 22 November, 2008, 10:52 PM Gabriel de Figueiredo wrote: I know of a Goan couple who wanted to go across to mainland China from Macao, along with other Goan friends - the former were refused entry by the Chinese because they were holding Indian passports (the latter carried Portuguese identity papers), with the comment Indian - disease - go back - it appears that these were the only English words the Chinese immigration officials knew. This is a lie. No Chinese immigration official dare say that to an Indian. It is not a lie. This is the truth told to me first-hand by the affected couple, who have recently moved to Melbourne from New Zealand. I won't give their name, but many people will know the gent whose initials are D.C., is a great musician, and has a few CDs to his name during his time in Goa. As for his trouble with the Indian visa, I fear it's a result of his anti-India views. It's likely that his activities are being taken note of by the Indian authorities and the mix-up is deliberate and a warning sign. My views are not anti-India. My views are anti-lies told by India. Big difference. So much for the great freedom of speech touted by India. Gabriel. Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=otherp2=aup3=tagline
Re: [Goanet] Talking Photo: Spider Web like pattern
Panjim Church steps maybe? --- On Tue, 9/12/08, JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Talking Photo: Spider Web like pattern To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Tuesday, 9 December, 2008, 8:40 AM Talking Photo: Spider Web like pattern http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/3093847066/sizes/l/ What or where do you this is this? [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=otherp2=aup3=tagline
Re: [Goanet] CONGRATS! Querobin (Larry) Mendonca makes 101 cybergoans
--- CARMO DCRUZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Porvorim. * Larry Mendonca, Melbourne, quot;ex-curry kingquot; Larry Mendonca has embarrassed most Goans (and Indians) in Melbourne - his restaurant, Rajah Sahib (trading as Candolim), was deemed the filthiest around, and is now permanently closed. I did have a none too pleasant experience with my work colleagues way back in 1996 when one of my them had booked it for a departmental Christmas lunch. Gabriel. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] I am a Proud Goan from Goa, India-I am not from Portugal's Lo Estado da India
--- CARMO DCRUZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Henrique, As for my last name there should be no hint of its Portuguese origins in the current anglicized form. Cruz is Portuguese, mate. Your parents should have properly anglicised it to Cross. ... Or maybe Cruise. Originally De La Cruz = meaning OF THE CROSS in Espanol (Spanish), it was metamophosized to Da Cruz as my parents were citizens of Lo Estado Da India (i.e. Goa) Spanish? Então Goa foi espahol pá? Caramba! Mas que é isso? Rewriting history? You remind me of another Goan gent in the UK (long passed away) who changed his name by deed poll to a Spanish-sounding one and liked to be known as hailing from the capital of Brasil. and an accomplished alumnus of India's elite Indian Institute of Tecnology (IIT) Foregoing proves somehow that IITians are NQR - I've a Powai-ian cousin and know another Powai-ian (of Goan parentage) in Melbourne whose thought processes are hard to fathom ... Gabriel. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Selling miracles - giving people false hope and taking their money ought to be a crime. Cheers, Santosh Santosh, AFAIK no miracles have been sold at Potta - Potta, as I understand, is a retreat centre, and attendance is FOC - please correct me if I am wrong. Miracles, if they occur, are a by-product of spiritual upliftment. I have been told first hand of an occurrence whereby the husband attended the retreat and the wife (who was in Goa) underwent a cure, as observed by the husband's employee and hospital records. The husband is a highly-placed officer in Goa's law enforcement. No, I have not attended Potta nor do I have any intentions in doing so. Gabriel. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Misleading military stance
--- Philip Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Navy is pleading for land in Gujarat in exchange for 9 acres at Dabolim which would make more parking space available for aircraft. How greedy can the Navy get? Isn't a whole island of Anjediva sufficient for the Navy to get out of Dabolim altogether? 2. Dabolim airport ... has seen a phenomenal growth of Rs 75,000 crores in assets ever since it was established in 1962. It was established in 1962? The airport was built in 1955 with Goan resources (recursos de fomento do Estado da India Portuguesa; the Goa, Damao, Diu, Dadra and Nagar Haveli enclaves were then collectively known as Estado da India Portuguesa). What the Navy has done is expand a few resources, and I daresay the funds for the expansion of the tarmac and infrastructure came from the civilian purse (Airports Authority), not the naval one. The majority of Naval assets are probably the aircraft stationed at Dabolim, which in principle, ought to be stationed a few kilometres down south at the spanking brand new facility called SeaBird. Could you, Philip, please write a rebuttal to this article in the TOI? Regards, Gabriel. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] EDUARDO FALEIRO'S BALL
--- airesrod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freedom of speech was not the order of the day at the Convention. Even access to discussions was denied to the press. My participation in the deliberations was short lived. On the second day of the Convention anticipating that I would raise the issue of the Goa Regional Plan 2011, Commissioner of NRI affairs Mr. Eduardo Faleiro directed the Director of NRI affairs Mr.Ulhas Kamat to summon the police and arrest me. And I thought I was called 'paranoid' by some netters a couple of months ago... Gabriel. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Goan Folk Music
Hi Roland, Methinks today's deafening musak has dulled the creative instinct in many a potential musician, tending to imitate rather than creating new forms of music. The musicians of old were trained in the parochial schools where training in harmony was imparted, besides choral singing and some instrumental training. Today the need for this type of training no longer exists, as church liturgy is no longer in latin and the sung liturgy is at a minimum, so the need for a trained mestre da igreja is a dying breed, if not dead already. Today's tribe of Goan musicians has little overall training, as everyone chases the English system of musicianship (TCL and RCM) which often follows a narrow branch of specialisation into one or at most two instruments (with some theory thrown in), as compared to the continental (or latin-european) format which is based on solfeggio and training in harmony alongside instrumental training. And note that the Mando is not a 3/4 waltz time as incorrectly played by many bands, but has its own peculiar 6/8 (or as some say, 6/4) pattern. Cheers, Gabriel. --- Roland Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pardon my ignorance of the Goan Mando, but it appears to me that I hear today the same mandos I have been hearing from the age I was old enough to appreciate music (make that 5 years old). Haven't any Goans added to the repertoire of that music in the intervening years? Where have all the Goan musicians gone? Have they not been able or skillful enough to have added to the old compositions of our fathers and grandfathers? Have Goan musicians somehow gone brain-dead? The excuse that they have concentrated on other strains for daily living or lucrative purposes does not cut any ice. For example If Remo had made it big on the Indian scene could he not give back something to Goan music? Basilio Magno and peers, hear me? Cheers Roland Francis Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Reply to Nasci
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 --- Gllenda Viegas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many things in our church which have derived from hinduism. Keeping statues of saints and venerating them, going with the statues in procession is a hindu cult. You sure? See the festivals of S. America ... bands included. Also in Spain and Portugal (the latter, naturally!) Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 --- Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, people do not turn to God FIRST. God is generally the last resort...when EVERYONE ELSE FAILSthis holds good equally for the theists as for many of the proclaimed atheists/agnostics. Miguel, You can say that again, esp. wrt proclaimed atheists/agnostics. One, related to me by marriage, has been such a person. He suddenly discovered God when he was terribly ill, but now is back to his atheistic ways, though. Chhers, Gabriel. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Headlines: Churchill is a big Joke, FFs demand removal of Mr.Faleiro, Babu Kisses BJP goodbye, Babu is power hungry, BJP is communal, Resignation of all MLAs demanded
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 --- JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freedom fighters demand removal of Eduardo Faleiro for ignoring the protest mad by FF against honouring of a known Salazarist and an anti-freedom struggle individual Mr. Narayan Coissoro. FF has decided to send a delegation to meet PM and other leaders at Delhi to press their demand of removal of Faleiro from the post of NRI Commissioner. So the so-called freedom fighters (more likely position jostlers) are clamouring that Naraian Coissoro is a Salazarist? What about PD Gaitonde? Wasn't he a Salazarist for having left Goa for Portugal *after* the sham of liberation? For those born too late in the day, please read excerpts from Leo Lawrence's book (besides the youtube site that was mentioned earlier), Pe. Francisco Monteiro's Court case extracts, etc. at http://www.goaself.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ For those still able to read and understand Portuguese, I refer you to Constantino's supergoa.com site, which has the same photographs as those on the youtube site, but uncommented, though. Gabriel. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Liberation vs Conquest - An interesting discussion...
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Paulo Colaco Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all, Someone sent me a link today to a video posted in a UK website: www.youtube.com. It is a video about the Indian Invasion of Goa in 1961. Check: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXJ3WK9Il6Y I was surprised because it was made by an Indian Mario observes: Paulo, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, but, the last time I checked, there were about 1.1 BILLION Indians. Why would you be surprised to find that, among so many people, there are a couple or three who continue to want to be dominated by white Europeans? Not so much as being dominated by white Eupropeans, but being friends with them and gaining our OWN independence. Goa is today overrun, and now people want to save Goa. Why is this Save Goa business happening? Let's see now. Britain created an India in 1947 (the other parties being East and West Pakistan), then gave it independence. Indians followed the British form of Government, instituted British form of law and British methods of accountancy (unfortunately without the safeguards of balances), and the Indian Constitution was written in English. In other words, Indians gladly and slavishly followed the white form of rule. And here we are communicating in a white Anglo-Saxon language called English. And they call the likes of us, who resent Portuguese-bashing and standing up for Goan rights to freedom, people who want to be dominated by whites. I reckon the likes of you should get out of white-dominated countries and go back to where you think you belong - brown-dominated India. Shouldn't have Goa got its own independence, then, after liberation? Instead, Nehru's govt quietly annexed Goa to India without a single Goan having a say in the matter. And substituted able Goan oficials with corrupt Indian ones, including a very corrupt gent called Handoo. And Goa is still being dominated by corrupt New Delhi Congresswallahs who periodically come to Goa on the eve of elections and go back with, as some have reported, suitcases full of cash. And of course, the members of the armed forces would simply love to retire to Goa, wouldn't they? After all Goa is conquered territory, and they can go where they please. Just ask a prominent ex-navy netter. Goans have no real control of Goa - the alleged white domination from Lisbon (note that this allegation by some is deliberately misleading as over 90% of Goa's administration was in Goan hands in 1960) has been replaced by brown domination from New Delhi. Is this liberation? This is my point, which some Bomboimcars , East-African Goans and Poona-wallahs don't seem to get - they keep on harping slaves of the whites and other nasty asides because they don't seem to understand that Goa was quite autonomous by 1960 - see Behram's Goa and ourselves if you can get your hands on it. Remember that India in 1961 was facing acute food shortages, and thanks to Nehru's short-sighted 5-year policies which consistently failed to deliver, was also running close to bankruptcy. Prior to 1950, Goa's mines were not much developed, a situation which changed drastically by 1959, when they were producing top-quality ore in demand by Germany and Japan. This changed Nehru's tunes, if you see the trend in his speeches regarding Goa. Goan people were the least on Nehru's mind when he sent his army to surround Goa, claiming that the Portuguese were building massive forces on Goa's borders. How massive can a line of poorly-armed less than 3,500 men be? (Krishna Menon appears the be the one who actually ordered the army into Goa). Because Goans didn't matter to him, Nehru condoned the atrocities of the armed forces against civilians, claiming them to be collateral damage. Incidentally, even when there was blockade of Goa by the Indian Union, there were no food shortages per se in Goa, and no-one died of hunger. Then what happens? Rationing of practically everything, including kerosene, since 1964. Even water supplies which were 24x7 in major towns prior to 1962, were rationed to a couple of hours a day, as Bandodkar's govt put in new pipes to everywhere but failed to expand the processing facilities and catchment areas. The Selaulim Dam project caused a lot of issues and is still causing a lot of issues. Meanwhile,
[Goanet] land grab?
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 Received the following via email: = GREEDY DOCTORS ATTEMPT TO STEAL OUR LAND ? (NAVHIND TIMES OF 6TH jANUARY PAGE 1) Dr.Shwal's healthcare project for common man The interview of the NAVHIND TIMES with Dr. Fazal Shwal a renowned cardiologist, exposes his sinister designs to grab BEACHSIDE land in Goa with the active connivance of none other than the CM Pratapsingh Rane. 1) The doctor who says that he does not need money , while demanding 7-9 acres of beachside property to provide health care to goans, probably thinks that he is doing us goans a favour. The land of goans which is worth several crores of rupees. Doctor we are simple, but not blind to notice your greed. Get out of Goa, and get out fast! If he is as altruistic as he claims, then why does he want beach side property for his project ? 2) The CM of Goa does not own Goa, and so he cannot sell Goa just because he is Dr.Shwals patient. He is elected by the people and has to comply with the wishes of the people. Dr.Shwal, he can give you his private family land in Sattari and not the land that you want, by the beach side. After you have treated the CM for the last 14 years his heart has been affected adversely and he has become heartless. So he wants to prostitute Goa to a lustful person like you. 3) The doctors own native Kashmiris sensed his avarice and hounded him out, so he is searching for peace in Goa as he claims. Maybe the doctor could appeal to the Kashmiri militants to help him setup a peaceful mountain resort-cum-hospital in strife torn Kashmir and give them the free treatment which he promises goans, after the militants return from their sorties. 4) The doctor is making a tall promise of reserving free treatment for goans amounting to of 30% of the patients. Will the 30% goans who will receive free treatment in Dr.Shwals dream hospital cum-hotel be controlled by the CM and his cronies ? Who will decide these so called beneficiaries of the doctors tall promises ? 5) Lastly Dr.Shwal claims that God has given him enough, and we goans also feel that God has given us our own land and our health and our life. Dr.Shwal cannot increase our life expectancy as that is controlled by God. Let him go to Kashmir or to USA or to Sattari and increase the life expectancy in these places. Let us protest overwhelmingly through the internet and let us join Goa Bachao Andolan (GBA) in the struggle to save our land from such selfish philanthropists. === Is this true? Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Why Paolo is Nostalgic About Portugues Tempar, in these days of India Shining !
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 Nostalgia... only after a year Province to Colony Friday, Feb. 01, 1963 A year after Indian troops ended Portugal's 451-year rule over its tiny colony of Goa on India's west coast, native Goans were longing last week for the bad old days of colonial oppression. Under the Portuguese, Goa's virtually duty-free status had ensured it a higher standard of living than neighboring India. Teachers and minor government officials, paid nearly three times as much as their counterparts across the border, could easily afford such imported luxuries as Belgian sausage and $2-a-bottle Scotch whisky. Field laborers carried transistor radios, and peasant women dabbed their ears with Chanel No. 5. A steady stream of ships carried high-grade Goan ore to Europe as well as Japan. All you had to do to make money, said one Goan trader, was to type a few letters. But independence from Portugal brought Goa under the control of India's austerity economy and stifling bureaucracy. About the same time, foreign demand for its iron ore slumped; production dropped from 1,000,000 tons in 1961 to 650,000 tons last year. Wage scales were adjusted downward to an Indian scale, but the cost of living climbed by 3%. Indian import restrictions abruptly cut off the flow of foreign goods, bankrupting many small merchants, and forcing Goans to pay more for Indian merchandise of a lesser quality. Hesitant Indian officials referred even minor bureaucratic decisions to New Delhi, where they became lost in a labyrinth of red tape. It was over a year before local merchants were allowed to pick up goods imported and paid for before liberation, by which time much of the stuff had rotted away on the docks of Mormugão harbor. Though Portugal oppressively banned all political opposition, it did give Goa a considerable amount of local autonomy. Under New Delhi's rule, Goa hoped at least to become a separate state. But the neighboring Indian states of Mysore and Maharashtra, covetous of Goa's economic potential and of Mormugão harbor, which is one of the finest harbors on the subcontinent, have each begun a campaign to annex it. All in all, morale is low. Grumbled one Goan bitterly: Under the Portuguese we were considered a province. Under India, to our surprise, we find we are treated like a colony. Source: TIME magazine. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Save Goa Campaign and the NDTV slant.
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 Miguel, Pardon my ignorance, but what is the protest all about? By any chance do you have the full URL to the movie notes/article to which you have started the protest campaign? Cheers, Gabriel. P.S. I tried to email you privately, but it bounced back. --- Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have posted this email on almost every Net group I know. If you have seen WITNESS anchored by Srinivasan Jain on 09 10 January, 2007 on NDTV [ www.ndtv.com ] it is good to respond to it. Please send your protests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] today. Let them know that we do not appreciate the unfortunate depiction of mass/ communion service [unrelated to the Regional Plan 2011 debate] any more than we like the VCD Goa Freedom Struggle. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Liberation vs conquest
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 Your response, Rico, is what can be expected from a person not born in Goa in the pre-1961 period. If you do wish to be informed, please read the TIME magazine and other international periodicals and books of the period if you can get you hands on them. Then compare with what occurred post 1961. Now wonder why the Navy is holding fast on to Dabolim with all manner of excuses (except that they do not mention the fact that there is an Order called the Removals of Diffulty Order 1962 that was passed in March 1962 bypassing the Parliament, giving the miltary full powers to do as they please); how the Navy managed to swindle Goa out of Anjediva for nothing; why there are so many military camps in Goa; why Pe. Francisco Monteiro was persecuted (looks like Mario needs to refresh himself on this one, as he made the most undeducated question/remarks to Paulo re Supreme Court); find out, too, the true meaning of liberation, as was the case of BanglaDesh (when it too, could have been annexed to India); then you'll probably realise what is what. And why Goa needs saving today, when it is too late to do so, anyway. I do not wish to say any more. Cheers, Gabriel. --- Frederick \FN\ Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/01/07, Aquino Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding Paulo Colaco Dias' post: What's in a word? Liberation, Annexation, Invasion That which we call Goa remains forever. In my view, Goa was liberated from colonialism, fascism and dictatorship. As was Portugal on April 25,1974. Portugal was freed from fascism and dictatorship. But those who felt themselve superior to others in Goa also found that their priviledges got invaded in 1961. And that's perhaps true. Only exception is those who managed to switch sides smartly -- have their cake on the Portuguese side, and eat it in the post1961 Indian dispensation too. Some of our Goanetters seem to be unable to cope with the transition, and hence the angst. FN Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Goanet - Elephants in Goa
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 --- Kevin Saldanha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not exactly a picture you would associate with Goa Kevin Saldanha Mississauga, ON. Why not? Most netters here are at pains to insist that Goa *is* and always was part of India, anyway. P.S. I am one of the few that do not subscribe to the above concept, as India, the country, was formed in 1947, and Goa, like E Pakistan, W Pakistan, Ceylon and Burma, was not part of it. Gabriel. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Goa, seen to have a mix of strong potential and sharp chall...
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish the people of Goa all best greetings, but am in two minds about India having sovereignty over goa,seems that the Portugees,left the place a legacy, and now the politicians have stolen it, and spread their corruptive ways through out the population. Yours Roy Sippy LMbc. Thank you Roy - you echo my sentiments exactly. Gabriel. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Liberation vs conquest
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 --- Frederick \FN\ Noronha As for me, I just think it's a joke... FN Yep, keep on laughing... till Goa is no more. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Indian Navy band... under a Goan baton
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 --- Goanet News [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CAPTIVATING SHOW: The Naval Band performing at the Durbar Hall Grounds in the city as part of the Navy Day celebrations on Saturday. Photo: Vipinchandran What has been the fate of our own Goa Police band? Is it still in existence? Do some Goa netters still remember the times when one used to go to the parade at Camapl and do exercises on Republic Day to the music played by the Goa Police band? Cheers, Gabriel. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Goanet - Elephants in Goa
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 --- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What the heck was Estada da India then? Cheers, Santosh P.S. There are some good books on the history of Goa before 1510. At least on this issue one does not have to rely on belief or ideology. Santosh, Did not expect this from you. Good on you that you touched of the subject. Estado da India Portuguesa. Goa, Damao, Diu, Dadra, Nagar Haveli, Bombaim and Bassaim (and a few other territories) were collectively a State of Portugal (a province). Long ago before there was something called British India. Bombaim, Bassaim and other territories were, as you well know, given away by the Portuguese as dowry or just given up. I am not going to give you a history lesson, which you probably know lots more that I ever will. But the fact is that Goa was not part of the plan when India was created by the Brits out of what was then known as East Indies or British India. Nor was Ceylon (it was a protectorate, I understand). Cheers, Gabriel. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Liberation vs conquest
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What we are seeing is mostly Portophiles who do not even live in Goa, Et tu, where do you live? And where *did* you live before you went to where you are? For exactly half my life I lived plumb in the middle of Goa, 6 years of it in the Estado da India Portuguesa... Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Portugal, India, Goa
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 --- Constantino Xavier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is a pity that I have to engage with this self-promotion, but for some time now - more precisely since I criticised Frederick Noronha in a certain debate - my work has been selectively discriminated on this forum. One example should suffise: in the recent overview of Goa-related cyberpress, there was no mention to the Supergoa.com portal I edit for over five years, with over a hundred thousand monthly accesses and being the only Goa-related web-portal in a language different from English. A more general example of the ostracisation non-anglophone Goans are subject to on this list, is to be observed in the eminent diasporic Goans list earlier this month. Perhaps all this is only an amazing coincidence. But most probably, they simply reflect conscious decisions or unconsicous biases. Constantino Xavier New Delhi I think BC did mention this lapse. But as usual, it was ignored by the compiler. Shame indeed, considering the Constantino almost single-handedly started supergoa.com whilst still in his teens, and has a number of people writing on his site, including a Portuguese agricultural engineeer who was stationed in Goa Aug-Dec1961 (and shares his Goa experiences with forum members especially when he was incarcerated in the prisoner-of-war camp). Constantino was one of the first organisers of World Goa Day, and in contrast with other WGD which mainly means an evening dance with eats, Constantino's events have been day-long affairs with speeches, carroms competitions or trips around Lisbon visiting sites / roads with Goan names / connections, etc. Constantino is a true grandson of Goa, if I may say so. Gabriel. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Dil tho Bilkul Khush Hua !!!
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 --- Floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This has been the tradition with the Goa Legislative Assembly or the Secretariat even during the erstwhile Portuguese regime. Adv. Bruto Da Costa must be remembered for a like incident when he grappled on the floor with the then Governador Senhor Fernando de Quintanilha e Mendonca Dias. The story goes that when Almirante (Admiral) Sarvento Rodrigues visited Goa in his capacity as the incharge of overseas provinces of Portugal, Adv. Bruto Da Costa and Dr. Antonio Colaco saw him to complain against the corrupt Governador Dias. As they exited the office of the Almirante, the good Governador who was waiting outside demanded to know what had transpired inside. There was a heated exchange, with the Governador slapping Adv. Bruto Da Costa resulting with the ensuing free for all. Floriano, The story, from what I understand, is that the Governor was eavesdropping, and when accosted by Adv. Bruto da Costa, the Governor slapped BdaC, but being well built, BdaC gave the Governor one on the nose that toppled the Governor to the floor. Both were stopped from further fisticuffs by the Admiral's attendants... Um celebre soco, as AdeT once said, por um bruto da costa de Malabar :-))) ... On the serious side, though, one ought to read the open letter Adv. Bruto da Costa wrote to Nehru on the events of Dec 1961. Gabriel. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Goa tenancy, mundkar Ninth Schedule laws among those to come up for judicial scrutiny
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 --- Goanet News [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 64) The Goa, Daman and Diu Mundkars (Protection from Eviction) Act, 1975 (Goa, Daman and Diu Act 1 of 1976). 77) The Goa, Daman and Diu Agricultural Tenancy (Fifth Amendment) Act, 1976 (Goa, Daman and Diu Act 17 of 1976). Glad to see this... Has anyone investigated why land is sold to developers (besides the economic advantage)? I know of at least one property in Goa that has gone to the tiller, whose son (original tiller died some years ago) today has absolutely no interest in tilling the land as the grandsons are in the Gulf or on board ships remitting enough funds for their father to live well, and worse still, no-one can re-let the property to any other prospective tiller for obvious reasons. My gut-feeling is then in such situations when the bhatkar cannot re-let the land for productive agricultural gain (nor till it himself, as it is preserved for the tiller), he converts the land to other purposes and sells it to the highest bidder. No wonder, then, when people who have lived all their lives happily in a humpti are suddenly deprived of their homes as the land has been sold by the ertswhile bhatkar to a developer. Or is it the other way round, when the mundkar has sold the property illegally to the developer? I ask because I do not know. Gabriel. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] The Death of Goa - a photo essay
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 Thank you, Rajan for the photo essay. Pictures, they say, speak a thousand words. Your essay evoked a million sad words. What else can one say? Progress? At what cost? Suggest all Portuguese bashers have a look at what Indian shining progress is bringing about. Soon, the beauty will be gone. No cheers, Gabriel. --- Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.parrikar.org/images/deathofgoa/index.html Warm regards, Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Liberation vs Conquest - An interesting discussion...
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 --- Alfred de Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario responds: Paulo, The REAL truth is that Goa was a subservient colony that was being held on to by the aggressive sophistries and policies of a foreign white colonial power long after the era of colonialism had ended. What made it worse was that there was a lack of development under the Portuguese that resulted in so many Goans leaving Goa in order to make a living. If the Supreme Court ruling that you cite had any validity at all at the time it is certainly useless in 2007, except to purists like you. Even if you are right, is it going to change anything? Yes, it is a waste of time to continue to go down this lonely road that leads nowhere. It does happen to be a fact of life that those with the power prevail. This has been so since Genghis Khan and Attila the Hun. Those without power to regain what was taken from them, typically move on with their lives. Apropos your your accurate appraisal of power might, the Portuguese have fitting words of wisdom: Quem pode fo- - ... quem nao pode e bode... Alfred Acha que o MG vai entender o ditado ? ;-))) Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
