[ilugd] Report on freed.in at linux.com
Enjoy! http://www.linux.com/feature/119743 Cheers...Kishore -- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [Gaming] Open source FPS games
On 10/8/07, Saleem Ansari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vikram Very nice info. I have been thinking for the last couple of days that can one survive in the Gaming Business if the Game's source code is Open Sourced or GPLed? Well firstly it has to be Business done with games rather than Games making business, GPL run gaming business make perfect sense in Indian market. the traditional gaming industry needs a lot of market research and Development and most of times game titles die after completion since launching a game title requires same amount of money that is spent on development. Now if we take my view , i would have gone with modifying current available open source games and making it look more indian centric by putting Indic taunts and pushing them into the market, because Online gaming market in india is still in a nacent stage. my 2 pennies -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 ILUGD General Secretary, GZLUG Moderator RKGIT Alumni(Guiding Light) Software Engineer , UnitedVillages http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [Gaming] Open source FPS games
A very simple business model that can work for open source gaming company's... being open source, implies the source code shall be freely available.. however the company can retain the game data... for example, the Quake engines have been open source, however... the Quake game data (PAK and PK3 files) are retained by the company... this way u can have an active community of modders and developers for your game and newer forks, however your game can make profits, provided its a good game to play... just my 2 cents :) Kinshuk On 10/11/07, Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/8/07, Saleem Ansari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vikram Very nice info. I have been thinking for the last couple of days that can one survive in the Gaming Business if the Game's source code is Open Sourced or GPLed? Well firstly it has to be Business done with games rather than Games making business, GPL run gaming business make perfect sense in Indian market. the traditional gaming industry needs a lot of market research and Development and most of times game titles die after completion since launching a game title requires same amount of money that is spent on development. Now if we take my view , i would have gone with modifying current available open source games and making it look more indian centric by putting Indic taunts and pushing them into the market, because Online gaming market in india is still in a nacent stage. my 2 pennies -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 ILUGD General Secretary, GZLUG Moderator RKGIT Alumni(Guiding Light) Software Engineer , UnitedVillages http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Student, PGD Global Business Operations, SRCC, Delhi University http://www.kinshuksunil.co.nr ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Report on freed.in at linux.com
On 10/11/07, Kishore Bhargava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Enjoy! http://www.linux.com/feature/119743 Cheers...Kishore good stuff by mayank! would be wonderful to post the link to linux-india and a few other mailing lists. those who can, would be wonderful if you could digg and slashdot this. freed.in is still buzzzing there we have it: I have no doubt that Freed.in has established itself as one of the best community events in India. wow! everyone's event is always obviously, an event for everyone. :-) :-) niyam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Presentations at Freed.in
Could someone kindly point me to where I could get access to the following presentations from Freed.in? Ajith Kumar's Free Software in Science Experiments using Phoenix and Ajay Kumar's Free/Open Tools for Free/Open Educational Content. Many thanks in advance, FN -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org Ph 0091-832-2409490 List of Indian e-lists http://wikiwikiweb.de/MailingListsInIndia ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Presentations at Freed.in
On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 13:09 +0530, Frederick Noronha [फ़रेदरिक नोरोनया] wrote: Could someone kindly point me to where I could get access to the following presentations from Freed.in? Ajith Kumar's Free Software in Science Experiments using Phoenix and Unfortunately, Ajith did not show up for the conference. Several attempts to contact him by email elicited no response. This does seem like an interesting project, and I would also like to know more about it. Ajay Kumar's Free/Open Tools for Free/Open Educational Content. [...] This should be available soon. Please check the freed.in site in a few days, or wait for an announcement. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] digg creativedot !
dear all, prakash advani has just dugg creativedot! creative.linux-delhi.org http://digg.com/linux_unix/Linux_users_can_be_creative_too please everyone else on digg, could you please do some mob justice to this ;-) tia :-) niyam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Removing date mark from pictures
- Original Message From: Sudev Barar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there any tool to remove the dates? Hi, I've used to F-Spot photo manager on Ubuntu to modify the attributes of my photos. Don't know if that would help you! With Warm Regards, Shivkumar linux user no: 450769 blog: outbackwifi.blogspot.com profile: www.linkedin.com/in/shivjags Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [Gaming] Open source FPS games
Anyone other than kinz(cos I already know him lol) doing gamedev?? I think I know another person as well :D ^^ .. ahem.. ok anyone else? Open source game development won't work.. but game development using open source source software will.. let me give you my 2 rupees.. :D First of all, Quake source files and rest of what John Carmack and Id gave out, was only after the company made money from them first.. and it was released under the GPL.. Carmack wanted people to make better technology and releasing his source code was THE best way to do it and he knew that very well.. so it was good for the whole, people learned new techniques.. and wrote there own engines et al.. but if you wanted to really modify the quake engine, or rewrite it and make games (like what valve did with half-life) you would still have to license the engine( you have to license it to sell your games as closed source..) and + artists(graphic+music et al) are not programmers!! and asking them to give away artwork is not as easy as u think it is.. Making games is not easy, it requires a lot of manpower in a lot of different sectors.. a whole range of different programmers and a whole range of artists.. im not giving u a break up.. but understand this, that the industry is almost as HUGE as the film industry!! and serious in every aspect.. making games and playing games are totally different!!! basically, dev-ing games(that can stand shoulder to shoulder with major titles) takes a lot of effort and money, even when you are using OSS to dev it.. if you are rich enough and have the time, or just feel like doing it, you can, but there is no profit there.. ( come on now, don''t give me that look, you would still need some money to pay for the electric bill! + food! ) so developing games using Open source technology (maybe under the lgpl ~ eg. Ogre3d ) and selling them for a small amount can work.. What else can work? if you are hell bent on releasing your game as open source software.. Open source MMO's Games can work! why? make a game that is as solid as warcraft.. and release it to the world for free.. with free updates and everything.. but they have to pay to play online on some main servers.. a yearly subscription.. to keep the servers up.. to keep the developers cloth'd and in pizza.. or you can sell online content.. et cetera.. real estate.. oh, btw, this is already happening.. lol.. peace, yadu ps: might wanna check this out, its a free multiplayer online non violent typo game.. you walk around as a stag.. its really nice.. ~ http://tale-of-tales.com/TheEndlessForest/ On 11/10/2007, Kinshuk Sunil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A very simple business model that can work for open source gaming company's... being open source, implies the source code shall be freely available.. however the company can retain the game data... for example, the Quake engines have been open source, however... the Quake game data (PAK and PK3 files) are retained by the company... this way u can have an active community of modders and developers for your game and newer forks, however your game can make profits, provided its a good game to play... just my 2 cents :) Kinshuk On 10/11/07, Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/8/07, Saleem Ansari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vikram Very nice info. I have been thinking for the last couple of days that can one survive in the Gaming Business if the Game's source code is Open Sourced or GPLed? Well firstly it has to be Business done with games rather than Games making business, GPL run gaming business make perfect sense in Indian market. the traditional gaming industry needs a lot of market research and Development and most of times game titles die after completion since launching a game title requires same amount of money that is spent on development. Now if we take my view , i would have gone with modifying current available open source games and making it look more indian centric by putting Indic taunts and pushing them into the market, because Online gaming market in india is still in a nacent stage. my 2 pennies -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 ILUGD General Secretary, GZLUG Moderator RKGIT Alumni(Guiding Light) Software Engineer , UnitedVillages http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Student, PGD Global Business Operations, SRCC, Delhi University http://www.kinshuksunil.co.nr
Re: [ilugd] [Gaming] Open source FPS games
Open source game development won't work.. but game development using open source source software will.. let me give you my 2 rupees.. :D The accepted practice as far as open source game development goes is to keep all the 'code' open, and just that. A viable business model is to keep the code separate from the actual 'content'. You give your game engine away for free; but charge for binary content packs that add a storyline, or offer an online multi-player service, for example. $ emerge quake3 snip Please put your 'pk3' files into /opt/quake3 snip You can buy these pk3 'content' packs online, essentially mods. The original Quake 3 pak#.pk3 files are also available on the retail disk. If you choose a license such as the GPL, you also have the added benefit of getting back improvements made to your game engine. My point is that you don't have to 'wait a few years' to release the code for your game. However, with the Creative Commons movement gaining ground, it does seem there are plenty of people with time on their hands willing to give-away their art for free :) -- Anant P.S. Many thanks to Vikram for pointing us to UrbanTerror, I was/am an avid Counter-Strike fan myself, and this really gets me my fix ;) P.P.S For those into strategy games (like Warcraft :-D), I highly recommend 'Battle for Wesnoth'. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [Gaming] Open source FPS games
A viable business model is to keep the code separate from the actual 'content'. You give your game engine away for free; but charge for binary content packs that add a storyline, or offer an online multi-player service, for example. this is exactly what is happening right now.. except the code is not open (neither the engine code nor the game logic )... hmmmf.. -- dA Gallery ~ http://yadu.deviantart.com/gallery home ~ http://www.theangrypixel.com ~ http://www.theangrypixel.com/forum LinkedIn ~ http://www.linkedin.com/in/yadurajiv ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Firefox behaves differently on Linux?
Hi, Is it just me or is it that the shortcut in Firefox for moving between tabs on Windows is Ctrl+Number Key while on Linux (Ubuntu) its Alt+Number Key. Ctrl + Number Key doesnt do anything for me on firefox. Firefox 2.0.0.6 Ubuntu 7.04 -- Puneet http://sahyog.blogspot.com/ -- Puneet http://sahyog.blogspot.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Firefox behaves differently on Linux?
erm.. i used to use Ctrl + Tab to go forward a tab and Ctrl + Shift + Tab to move backward.. :| never really used ctrl + number .. hmmm.. On 12/10/2007, Puneet Lakhina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Is it just me or is it that the shortcut in Firefox for moving between tabs on Windows is Ctrl+Number Key while on Linux (Ubuntu) its Alt+Number Key. Ctrl + Number Key doesnt do anything for me on firefox. Firefox 2.0.0.6 Ubuntu 7.04 -- Puneet http://sahyog.blogspot.com/ -- Puneet http://sahyog.blogspot.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- dA Gallery ~ http://yadu.deviantart.com/gallery home ~ http://www.theangrypixel.com ~ http://www.theangrypixel.com/forum LinkedIn ~ http://www.linkedin.com/in/yadurajiv ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Firefox behaves differently on Linux?
On 12/10/2007, Puneet Lakhina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Is it just me or is it that the shortcut in Firefox for moving between tabs on Windows is Ctrl+Number Key while on Linux (Ubuntu) its Alt+Number Key. Ctrl + Number Key doesnt do anything for me on firefox. Its not just you. I just noticed that Alt+Number is not working in Windows. Anyways I'm comfortable in Ctrl+PgUp and Ctrl+PgDn, and they work everywhere. You can try using Ctrl+Alt+Number. They should work on both. :-) It may be some kind of restriction on shortcut keys that forced developers to employ different shortcuts. - Kazim Zaidi http://tuxplayground.blogspot.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Removing date mark from pictures
On 10/11/07, Sudev Barar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went to Ladakh and Kashmir and took lot of pictures. Unfortunately I wrongly set the date now all the pictures have date imprinted on them wrongly. Is there any tool to remove the dates? I did read some where that this information is stored alongwith the picture and is modifiable. In the meanwhile googling continues. There is exif tool which is pretty good for modifying EXIF data (where all the metadata is stored). But I don't think it can be used to remove the imprints of the date on the photo. It is free software and available under the Perl Artistic License. http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exiftool/ -- Vinayak ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Need help choosing a processor Intel or AMD
VIKAS RATHEE wrote: i suggest u should go for nte products the simple reson being that intel uses more cache size than the AMD which AMD compensates with more clock speed which does not in any case can give the benefit or larger cache size .. so i would suggest intel to you not everything in life boils down to cache size. I would suggest you do some ground research first. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [Gaming] Open source FPS games
On 11-Oct-07, at 10:37 PM, Anant Narayanan wrote: If you choose a license such as the GPL, you also have the added benefit of getting back improvements made to your game engine as you will from *any* opensource license -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Need help choosing a processor Intel or AMD
--- Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VIKAS RATHEE wrote: i suggest u should go for nte products the simple reson being that intel uses more cache size than the AMD which AMD compensates with more clock speed which does not in any case can give the benefit or larger cache size .. so i would suggest intel to you Intel's FSB architecture is a bottleneck but they may have overcome this with dual core etc. AMD does seem slower when compared with same clock speed Intel, cache definitely plays a significant role. Intel has come up with low power CPUs that can be considered. AMD may be better where 64 bit processing is required. My 2c. Regards, --Naresh Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [Gaming] Open source FPS games
On Friday 12 October 2007 07:08, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 11-Oct-07, at 10:37 PM, Anant Narayanan wrote: If you choose a license such as the GPL, you also have the added benefit of getting back improvements made to your game engine as you will from *any* opensource license Not necessarily. If you release your software under, e.g., a BSD-ish licence the person who modifies the software has no obligation to make either the enhancements that she makes or the source code of those enhancements available to anyone, including to you. The GPL, OTOH enforces that if anyone releases a modified version of the software she has to release the modified source code too along with it. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology Software || September 2007 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Removing date mark from pictures
On 12/10/2007, Vinayak Hegde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/07, Sudev Barar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went to Ladakh and Kashmir and took lot of pictures. Unfortunately I wrongly set the date now all the pictures have date imprinted on them wrongly. Is there any tool to remove the dates? I did read some where that this information is stored alongwith the picture and is modifiable. In the meanwhile googling continues. There is exif tool which is pretty good for modifying EXIF data (where all the metadata is stored). But I don't think it can be used to remove the imprints of the date on the photo. It is free software and available under the Perl Artistic License. Thanks all for inputs. Problem is not EXIF data. The problem is imprinted date. Oh well a note in captions to viewer will have to do. -- Regards, Sudev Barar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Firefox behaves differently on Linux?
On 12 Oct 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it just me or is it that the shortcut in Firefox for moving between tabs on Windows is Ctrl+Number Key while on Linux (Ubuntu) its Alt+Number Key. See http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/keyboard -- Alok Silent gratitude isn't very much use to anyone. -- G. B. Stearn ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [Gaming] Open source FPS games
On 10/11/07, Yadu Rajiv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Open source game development won't work.. but game development using open source source software will.. let me give you my 2 rupees.. :D Open source game development will not work if done in traditional game development style. But if we look int the money and resource inflow required to start a game development company , Open source game development will work , Get a open source game modify it and market. :) to really modify the quake engine, or rewrite it and make games (like what valve did with half-life) you would still have to license the engine( you have to license it to sell your games as closed source..) The idea here is not selling the game binary , But marketing the game and making money out of that. and + artists(graphic+music et al) are not programmers!! and asking them to give away artwork is not as easy as u think it is.. Creative commons rules. Making games is not easy, it requires a lot of manpower in a lot of different sectors.. a whole range of different programmers and a whole range of artists.. im not giving u a break up.. but understand this, that the industry is almost as HUGE as the film industry!! and serious in every aspect.. making games and playing games are totally different!!! Agreed, But then there is no point in trying and doing which is already out there, Try something stupid. ;) basically, dev-ing games(that can stand shoulder to shoulder with major titles) takes a lot of effort and money, even when you are using Why you want to do that, Let the major titles go around the world and make money, Let us focus on indian market. OSS to dev it.. if you are rich enough and have the time, or just feel like doing it, you can, but there is no profit there.. ( come on now, don''t give me that look, you would still need some money to pay for the electric bill! + food! ) yeah and that is some money ps: might wanna check this out, its a free multiplayer online non violent typo game.. you walk around as a stag.. its really nice.. ~ http://tale-of-tales.com/TheEndlessForest/ gonna try. -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 ILUGD General Secretary, GZLUG Moderator RKGIT Alumni(Guiding Light) Software Engineer , UnitedVillages http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [Gaming] Open source FPS games
On 12-Oct-07, at 7:48 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: as you will from *any* opensource license Not necessarily. If you release your software under, e.g., a BSD-ish licence the person who modifies the software has no obligation to make either the enhancements that she makes or the source code of those enhancements available to anyone, including to you. The GPL, OTOH enforces that if anyone releases a modified version of the software she has to release the modified source code too along with it. and the other side of the coin: if you release under the BSD license, you may not get all the code that is developed modifying your code - but you *will* get a substantial portion of it. And you can use all you get in developing your own proprietary modules. If you GPL it, a large number of people wont even touch it - so though you get *all* the code modifying your code, it may not be much. One relies on the choice of the modifier - the other relies on obligation/compulsion. It's your choice depending on the model you wish to follow in developing your thing. Compare the development cycle of mysql with postgresql - mysql cannot accept a patch unless the copyright is assigned to them (they pay for it of course), which restricts severely the number of contributions they get - postgresql can accept anything. Which is why the BSD license is considered a really free license whereas the GPL is considered restrictive. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Online meeting for RGF-Sarai FLOSS fellows
Hi, Sorry for the short notice for this, but we are having the first online meeting for the RGF-Sarai FLOSS fellows today (Fri., 12/10) afternoon, from 2-5pm on the channel #sarai at Freenode. This is a public meeting, and everyone is invited to participate, especially as we have an express goal this year of increasing participation between fellows, and the FLOSS community. Please note, however, that we do *not* plan to make the logs publicly available. From now on, these meetings will take place Mon., and Fri. of the 2nd and 4th weeks of every month. I will also share with everyone a document listing requirements for fellows, once an internal discussion is over. Finally, we hope to announce a few more fellowship awards this week. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [Gaming] Open source FPS games
On Friday 12 October 2007 10:40, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: [snip] and the other side of the coin: if you release under the BSD license, you may not get all the code that is developed modifying your code - but you *will* get a substantial portion of it. And you can use all you get in developing your own proprietary modules. If you GPL it, a large number of people wont even touch it - so though you get *all* the code modifying your code, it may not be much. One relies on the choice of the modifier - the other relies on obligation/compulsion. It's your choice depending on the model you wish to follow in developing your thing. Compare the development cycle of mysql with postgresql - mysql cannot accept a patch unless the copyright is assigned to them (they pay for it of course), which restricts severely the number of contributions they get - postgresql can accept anything. Which is why the BSD license is considered a really free license whereas the GPL is considered restrictive. The MySQL copyright requirement is hardly representative of all software developed under the GPL, so I'm not even going to start rebutting your irrelevant examples. However,... Since we're totally into assumption- and opinion-land here, I'm out of this discussion. Vi vs Emacs, anyone? Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology Software || September 2007 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Need help choosing a processor Intel or AMD
[snip] i also feel the time has come to redefine 'throughput' more carefully than just look at raw computing power. on several machines running gnulinux, have noted the swap setting can at times slow down performance. tinkering with 'low latency' settings in ubuntustudio just shows how every OS needs to switch to saffola ;-) your application may just define how you wish to define your hardware configuration. all too often, hi-speed ram and in the right generous amounts can bring significant speeds. hey! you all know the stuff, but the point is, where is the quick 'n neat reference on the web or elsewhere so new-bhais (!) know how to custom-configure their machines, save money on a cpu purchase, and offset that with other components for a faster digital ecosystem? time for a new thread, forum, or hopefully, a wiki? :-) niyam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [Gaming] Open source FPS games
On 12-Oct-07, at 10:57 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: developed under the GPL, so I'm not even going to start rebutting your irrelevant examples. However,... is it really necessary to get abusive to avoid a discussion? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [Gaming] Open source FPS games
Anant Narayanan wrote: P.S. Many thanks to Vikram for pointing us to UrbanTerror, I was/am an avid Counter-Strike fan myself, and this really gets me my fix ;) Anytime! I understand the pain that you must have endured playing CS on Linux :) Vikram ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [Gaming] Open source FPS games
On 10/12/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12-Oct-07, at 10:57 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: developed under the GPL, so I'm not even going to start rebutting your irrelevant examples. However,... is it really necessary to get abusive to avoid a discussion? Ack, This is thread hijack , please start a separate thread if you all want to start a discussion on licenses , Abuse or anything else.Please start a separate thread. -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 ILUGD General Secretary, GZLUG Moderator RKGIT Alumni(Guiding Light) Software Engineer , UnitedVillages http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Need help choosing a processor Intel or AMD
Wonder if we could have a site that will allow a user to customise a system in such a way that, as you add/change components, you get to see meters on how the cost changes, how its performace changes, and how its compatibility with linux changes. Wonder if any such thing exists already!! Vikas On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 11:04:05AM +0530, Linux Lingam wrote: [snip] i also feel the time has come to redefine 'throughput' more carefully than just look at raw computing power. on several machines running gnulinux, have noted the swap setting can at times slow down performance. tinkering with 'low latency' settings in ubuntustudio just shows how every OS needs to switch to saffola ;-) your application may just define how you wish to define your hardware configuration. all too often, hi-speed ram and in the right generous amounts can bring significant speeds. hey! you all know the stuff, but the point is, where is the quick 'n neat reference on the web or elsewhere so new-bhais (!) know how to custom-configure their machines, save money on a cpu purchase, and offset that with other components for a faster digital ecosystem? time for a new thread, forum, or hopefully, a wiki? :-) niyam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
