Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

[Judy Jones]

Here here!  Some things were broken in Jaws 17.  I had Jaws 16 at work for a
long time and it served me well.

Judy


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 3:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

Press the [f6] key until you're placed in the Address bar field. 
[Tab] once and you should be placed in the Toolbar. Then you simply use the
left and right arrow keys to navigate to each toolbar entry and hit [Enter]
or [Spacebar] to activate it.

At 06:01 PM 5/25/2017, you wrote:
>Hi
>
>Yeah, I'm finding out that most people that aren't using the latest 
>version of JAWS are using version 16, which is encouraging.
>
>I use Windows 7 because I hated the Metro interface Microsoft tried to 
>force on us in Windows 8, and because I believe Microsoft is over 
>reaching their authority with some of the changes they made in Windows 
>10. It's my Computer damn it! And nobody but me has the right to tell 
>me what software runs on it! When they restore the user's ability to 
>decide which updates get installed on their computers, among other 
>things, then I'll consider Windows 10.
>
>I used to have Office XP which I really liked, but gave it to my dad 
>and got Office 2007 because I could get it for $10 through my employer. 
>If I could have, I'd have gotten 2003 to avoid the ribbons.
>
>So far JAWS 16 is proving to be quite stable, however the dictionary 
>manager still keeps crashing when it is first run, I was hoping that 
>that was a version 17 and 18 problem that would go away with the switch 
>to 16, oh well.
>
>I found out that it gets pricey if you let your SMA lapse, so for $5 a 
>month, I'll keep it current even if I don't use those newer versions of
JAWS.
>
>Later...
>
>
>
>
>On 5/25/2017 4:52 PM, John M. wrote:
>>Hi Gene,
>>
>>I have been using Jaws since version 5. Over the years, I have found 
>>that some versions of Jaws are very good and others are junk. In my 
>>opinion, version 17 is junk. I had upgraded from Jaws 15 to 17. After 
>>the upgrade, I had nothing but problems. After several months of 
>>struggling, I eventually installed version 16 and that is what I am 
>>still using today. I tried version 18 for a short while, but it was 
>>still not as stable and reliable as version 16. I am using Windows 7 
>>also. One more thing...I still use Office 2003, because I just like it 
>>a lot. Jaws version 17 support for Office 2003 was terrible.
>>
>>I always go back to a saying that I have used for years--"Just because 
>>you can doesn't mean you should.". Just because there is a new version 
>>of Windows or Office or Jaws or any other piece of software or 
>>hardware, doesn't mean you have to rush to install it or purchase it. 
>>I rely on my computer on a daily basis to do my job and service my 
>>clients. I demand that my core software is extremely stable and 
>>reliable. I have Jaws SMAs through version 20. I don't know if I will 
>>actually switch to those versions. Time will tell.
>>
>>Best,
>>John
>>
>>
>>- Original Message - From: "Gene Warner" 
>><genewarn...@gmail.com>
>>To: "JAWS Users" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:25 PM
>>Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16
>>
>>
>>>Hi everyone!
>>>
>>>Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to 
>>>switch from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15.
>>>
>>>As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the 
>>>Lighthouse here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had 
>>>with it, it just worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with 
>>>the addition of the very useful command search function.
>>>
>>>Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the 
>>>engine. From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was 
>>>running into another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came 
>>>out wasn't much better.
>>>
>>>So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently 
>>>recalcitrant version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version
>>>16 to see how it compares to version 18. If it works as well as my 
>>>memory of it recalls, I will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and 
>>>consider not maintaining my SMA anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction 
>>>with versions 17 and 18, it seems like most of the enhancements are 
>>>for Windows 10 and have no eff

Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

[Kenny]

Press the [f6] key until you're placed in the Address bar field. 
[Tab] once and you should be placed in the Toolbar. Then you simply 
use the left and right arrow keys to navigate to each toolbar entry 
and hit [Enter] or [Spacebar] to activate it.


At 06:01 PM 5/25/2017, you wrote:

Hi

Yeah, I'm finding out that most people that aren't using the latest 
version of JAWS are using version 16, which is encouraging.


I use Windows 7 because I hated the Metro interface Microsoft tried 
to force on us in Windows 8, and because I believe Microsoft is over 
reaching their authority with some of the changes they made in 
Windows 10. It's my Computer damn it! And nobody but me has the 
right to tell me what software runs on it! When they restore the 
user's ability to decide which updates get installed on their 
computers, among other things, then I'll consider Windows 10.


I used to have Office XP which I really liked, but gave it to my dad 
and got Office 2007 because I could get it for $10 through my 
employer. If I could have, I'd have gotten 2003 to avoid the ribbons.


So far JAWS 16 is proving to be quite stable, however the dictionary 
manager still keeps crashing when it is first run, I was hoping that 
that was a version 17 and 18 problem that would go away with the 
switch to 16, oh well.


I found out that it gets pricey if you let your SMA lapse, so for $5 
a month, I'll keep it current even if I don't use those newer versions of JAWS.


Later...




On 5/25/2017 4:52 PM, John M. wrote:

Hi Gene,

I have been using Jaws since version 5. Over the years, I have found
that some versions of Jaws are very good and others are junk. In my
opinion, version 17 is junk. I had upgraded from Jaws 15 to 17. After
the upgrade, I had nothing but problems. After several months of
struggling, I eventually installed version 16 and that is what I am
still using today. I tried version 18 for a short while, but it was
still not as stable and reliable as version 16. I am using Windows 7
also. One more thing...I still use Office 2003, because I just like it a
lot. Jaws version 17 support for Office 2003 was terrible.

I always go back to a saying that I have used for years--"Just because
you can doesn't mean you should.". Just because there is a new version
of Windows or Office or Jaws or any other piece of software or hardware,
doesn't mean you have to rush to install it or purchase it. I rely on my
computer on a daily basis to do my job and service my clients. I demand
that my core software is extremely stable and reliable. I have Jaws SMAs
through version 20. I don't know if I will actually switch to those
versions. Time will tell.

Best,
John


- Original Message - From: "Gene Warner" 
To: "JAWS Users" 
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:25 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16



Hi everyone!

Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to
switch from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15.

As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the
Lighthouse here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had
with it, it just worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the
addition of the very useful command search function.

Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the
engine. From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was
running into another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out
wasn't much better.

So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently
recalcitrant version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version
16 to see how it compares to version 18. If it works as well as my
memory of it recalls, I will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and
consider not maintaining my SMA anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction
with versions 17 and 18, it seems like most of the enhancements are
for Windows 10 and have no effect on my Windows 7 system which I have
no plans to upgrade. If things do change for the better in the future,
I can always reestablish a new SMA.

I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has
already preceded me in downgrading back to version 16.

Thanks!

Later...

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

[Gene Warner]

I don't need JAWS for work, when I lost my vision, I had so few working 
years left, that I decided to just retire early. But when I sit down in 
front of my computer, regardless of what I'm doing; emailing, surfing 
the web, playing game, online shopping or banking, the last thing I want 
or need is to have to fight with a program that refuses to work 
properly. So arfter a year and a half of fighting with JAWWS 17 and 18, 
I finally gave up and went back to JAWS16.


If I had discovered the Outlook Express that is usable on Windows 7 
before I started using Thunderbird, I'd probably be using it now.


Later...



On 5/27/2017 3:27 PM, Andrew James Bontrager wrote:

I've still got JAWS version 9 running on this Windows XP machine, along with 
Microsoft Word 2003 and Outlook Express.
I also have a Windows 7 laptop with JAWS 17 instaled. But sadly, on that 
computer, JAWS seems to get stuck and has to restart itself rather more 
frequently than I like. I can tell you, that makes for some very anxious 
moments when speech stops and will not restart.
My advice is, do what you need to, in order for you to do your job. If a newer 
version would give you better productivity, by all means upgrade it if you can.
In my case, if I want to use Windows 7, I have to use the later JAWS version. 
But after several attempts to fully upgrade, I only use that system as a backup.
Conversely, if you find that a piece of software isn't helping you, and you're 
spending time trying to force it to perform its function, it's best to go to an 
earlier version or try another program.
This is why I use the fine port someone made of Outlook Express to Windows 7. 
Why? because other email programs (and believe me, I've tried many) don't meet 
the requirements which OE has met for all these years.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

[Andrew James Bontrager]

I've still got JAWS version 9 running on this Windows XP machine, along with 
Microsoft Word 2003 and Outlook Express.
I also have a Windows 7 laptop with JAWS 17 instaled. But sadly, on that 
computer, JAWS seems to get stuck and has to restart itself rather more 
frequently than I like. I can tell you, that makes for some very anxious 
moments when speech stops and will not restart.
My advice is, do what you need to, in order for you to do your job. If a newer 
version would give you better productivity, by all means upgrade it if you can.
In my case, if I want to use Windows 7, I have to use the later JAWS version. 
But after several attempts to fully upgrade, I only use that system as a backup.
Conversely, if you find that a piece of software isn't helping you, and you're 
spending time trying to force it to perform its function, it's best to go to an 
earlier version or try another program.
This is why I use the fine port someone made of Outlook Express to Windows 7. 
Why? because other email programs (and believe me, I've tried many) don't meet 
the requirements which OE has met for all these years.


---
I am, therefore I think.
Ande
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

[Gene Warner]

Hi!

From what some have said about some web sites being harder to navigate 
with older versions of JAWS, I have decided not to uninstall JAWS 18, it 
just won't be my primary screen reader. I also have NVDA installed for 
those few programs, mostly games written with BGT, that don't play well 
with any version of JAWS. There are also parts of some web sites that 
don't work right with JAWS, for those too I'll switch to NVDA. I don't 
like NVDA as much as I like JAWS, but it does get me around those few 
things that JAWS won't do.


Later...

On 5/25/2017 6:17 PM, John Fitzgerald  wrote:

Hi,

Your plan sounds good to me, as long as it works for you.   I have a win 7
machine running JAWS 15 and have no plans to upgrade in the hopes of missing
all the headaches with versions 17 and 18.  And like you when my win 7 machine
dies I will probably wind up with a win 10 machine, so for now I'm just trying
to keep what little bit of hair I have left.

John Fitzgerald
Muse, Oklahoma
Article V Convention of States
http://www.cosaction.com/?recruiter_id=1022484

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 2:26 PM
To: JAWS Users
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

Hi everyone!

Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to switch from
Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15.

As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the Lighthouse
here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had with it, it just
worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the addition of the very
useful command search function.

Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the engine.
From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was running into
another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out wasn't much better.

So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently  recalcitrant
version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version 16 to see how it
compares to version 18. If it works as well as my memory of it recalls, I will
eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and consider not maintaining my SMA anymore.
Besides my dissatisfaction with versions 17 and 18, it seems like most of the
enhancements are for Windows 10 and have no effect on my Windows 7 system
which I have no plans to upgrade.
If things do change for the better in the future, I can always reestablish a
new SMA.

I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has already
preceded me in downgrading back to version 16.

Thanks!

Later...

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

[Gene Warner]

Hi

Yeah, I'm finding out that most people that aren't using the latest 
version of JAWS are using version 16, which is encouraging.


I use Windows 7 because I hated the Metro interface Microsoft tried to 
force on us in Windows 8, and because I believe Microsoft is over 
reaching their authority with some of the changes they made in Windows 
10. It's my Computer damn it! And nobody but me has the right to tell me 
what software runs on it! When they restore the user's ability to decide 
which updates get installed on their computers, among other things, then 
I'll consider Windows 10.


I used to have Office XP which I really liked, but gave it to my dad and 
got Office 2007 because I could get it for $10 through my employer. If I 
could have, I'd have gotten 2003 to avoid the ribbons.


So far JAWS 16 is proving to be quite stable, however the dictionary 
manager still keeps crashing when it is first run, I was hoping that 
that was a version 17 and 18 problem that would go away with the switch 
to 16, oh well.


I found out that it gets pricey if you let your SMA lapse, so for $5 a 
month, I'll keep it current even if I don't use those newer versions of 
JAWS.


Later...




On 5/25/2017 4:52 PM, John M. wrote:

Hi Gene,

I have been using Jaws since version 5. Over the years, I have found
that some versions of Jaws are very good and others are junk. In my
opinion, version 17 is junk. I had upgraded from Jaws 15 to 17. After
the upgrade, I had nothing but problems. After several months of
struggling, I eventually installed version 16 and that is what I am
still using today. I tried version 18 for a short while, but it was
still not as stable and reliable as version 16. I am using Windows 7
also. One more thing...I still use Office 2003, because I just like it a
lot. Jaws version 17 support for Office 2003 was terrible.

I always go back to a saying that I have used for years--"Just because
you can doesn't mean you should.". Just because there is a new version
of Windows or Office or Jaws or any other piece of software or hardware,
doesn't mean you have to rush to install it or purchase it. I rely on my
computer on a daily basis to do my job and service my clients. I demand
that my core software is extremely stable and reliable. I have Jaws SMAs
through version 20. I don't know if I will actually switch to those
versions. Time will tell.

Best,
John


- Original Message - From: "Gene Warner" 
To: "JAWS Users" 
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:25 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16



Hi everyone!

Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to
switch from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15.

As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the
Lighthouse here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had
with it, it just worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the
addition of the very useful command search function.

Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the
engine. From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was
running into another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out
wasn't much better.

So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently
recalcitrant version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version
16 to see how it compares to version 18. If it works as well as my
memory of it recalls, I will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and
consider not maintaining my SMA anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction
with versions 17 and 18, it seems like most of the enhancements are
for Windows 10 and have no effect on my Windows 7 system which I have
no plans to upgrade. If things do change for the better in the future,
I can always reestablish a new SMA.

I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has
already preceded me in downgrading back to version 16.

Thanks!

Later...

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

[Miriam Vieni]

I am so envious. I tried so hard to keep Office 2003, but Word was somewhat
corrupted and I had to really play around with it  to get it to work
properly part of the time. And then Outlook began producing multiple copies
of emails. I had a patch that was supposed to take care of such problems,
but it stopped. And I was using magic at a very high magnification. My old
Magic wouldn't work with newer versions of Jaws like 16 and the new version
of Magic wouldn't work with Office 2003. So then someone installed new
everything for me. Jaws 18 seems to be a bit better after yesterday's
upgrade. At least I hope it is. But there are certain kinds of html emails
that Jaws did fine with in Outlook 2003, and that, even with all kinds of
work arounds, it's difficult to deal with, with Jaws in later versions of
Office. I retired 10 years ago. Otherwise, I'd be tearing my hair out!

Miriam

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of John M.
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 4:53 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

Hi Gene,

I have been using Jaws since version 5. Over the years, I have found that
some versions of Jaws are very good and others are junk. In my opinion,
version 17 is junk. I had upgraded from Jaws 15 to 17. After the upgrade, I
had nothing but problems. After several months of struggling, I eventually
installed version 16 and that is what I am still using today. I tried
version 18 for a short while, but it was still not as stable and reliable as
version 16. I am using Windows 7 also. One more thing...I still use Office
2003, because I just like it a lot. Jaws version 17 support for Office 2003
was terrible.

I always go back to a saying that I have used for years--"Just because you
can doesn't mean you should.". Just because there is a new version of
Windows or Office or Jaws or any other piece of software or hardware,
doesn't mean you have to rush to install it or purchase it. I rely on my
computer on a daily basis to do my job and service my clients. I demand that
my core software is extremely stable and reliable. I have Jaws SMAs through
version 20. I don't know if I will actually switch to those versions. Time
will tell.

Best,
John


- Original Message -
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarn...@gmail.com>
To: "JAWS Users" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:25 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16


> Hi everyone!
>
> Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to switch 
> from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15.
>
> As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the 
> Lighthouse here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had with 
> it, it just worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the addition

> of the very useful command search function.
>
> Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the engine.

> From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was running into 
> another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out wasn't much 
> better.
>
> So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently  recalcitrant 
> version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version 16 to see how it 
> compares to version 18. If it works as well as my memory of it recalls, I 
> will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and consider not maintaining my SMA 
> anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction with versions 17 and 18, it seems like

> most of the enhancements are for Windows 10 and have no effect on my 
> Windows 7 system which I have no plans to upgrade. If things do change for

> the better in the future, I can always reestablish a new SMA.
>
> I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has already 
> preceded me in downgrading back to version 16.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Later...
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
> 


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

[John Fitzgerald]

Hi,

Your plan sounds good to me, as long as it works for you.   I have a win 7
machine running JAWS 15 and have no plans to upgrade in the hopes of missing
all the headaches with versions 17 and 18.  And like you when my win 7 machine
dies I will probably wind up with a win 10 machine, so for now I'm just trying
to keep what little bit of hair I have left.

John Fitzgerald
Muse, Oklahoma 
Article V Convention of States
http://www.cosaction.com/?recruiter_id=1022484

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 2:26 PM
To: JAWS Users
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

Hi everyone!

Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to switch from
Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15.

As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the Lighthouse
here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had with it, it just
worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the addition of the very
useful command search function.

Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the engine.
>From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was running into
another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out wasn't much better.

So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently  recalcitrant
version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version 16 to see how it
compares to version 18. If it works as well as my memory of it recalls, I will
eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and consider not maintaining my SMA anymore.
Besides my dissatisfaction with versions 17 and 18, it seems like most of the
enhancements are for Windows 10 and have no effect on my Windows 7 system
which I have no plans to upgrade. 
If things do change for the better in the future, I can always reestablish a
new SMA.

I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has already
preceded me in downgrading back to version 16.

Thanks!

Later...

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

[Joseph Lee]

Hi,
It depends on what Windows 10 release one is using. The latest builds of 17
and 18 will work reasonably well with Windows 10 Version 1703 (Creators
Update), although for some, audio ducking in JAWS 18 is somewhat broken when
using latest Windows 10 release.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 2:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

Gene and John, you have given me some very useful information and I thank
  You both. I wonder if Jaws 17 and 18 work better with Windows 10, but I am
still using Win 7 and am happy with it. No plans to upgrade until I have to,
and while considering upgrading my Jaws perhaps in the near future, you have
both convinced me to go with 16.  Judy & Libby
 
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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of John M.
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 4:53 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

Hi Gene,

I have been using Jaws since version 5. Over the years, I have found that
some versions of Jaws are very good and others are junk. In my opinion,
version 17 is junk. I had upgraded from Jaws 15 to 17. After the upgrade, I
had nothing but problems. After several months of struggling, I eventually
installed version 16 and that is what I am still using today. I tried
version 18 for a short while, but it was still not as stable and reliable as

version 16. I am using Windows 7 also. One more thing...I still use Office
2003, because I just like it a lot. Jaws version 17 support for Office 2003
was terrible.

I always go back to a saying that I have used for years--"Just because you
can doesn't mean you should.". Just because there is a new version of
Windows or Office or Jaws or any other piece of software or hardware,
doesn't mean you have to rush to install it or purchase it. I rely on my
computer on a daily basis to do my job and service my clients. I demand that

my core software is extremely stable and reliable. I have Jaws SMAs through
version 20. I don't know if I will actually switch to those versions. Time
will tell.

Best,
John


- Original Message -
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarn...@gmail.com>
To: "JAWS Users" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:25 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16


> Hi everyone!
>
> Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to switch 
> from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15.
>
> As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the 
> Lighthouse here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had with 
> it, it just worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the addition

> of the very useful command search function.
>
> Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the engine.

> From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was running into 
> another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out wasn't much 
> better.
>
> So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently  recalcitrant 
> version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version 16 to see how it 
> compares to version 18. If it works as well as my memory of it recalls, I 
> will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and consider not maintaining my SMA 
> anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction with versions 17 and 18, it seems like

> most of the enhancements are for Windows 10 and have no effect on my 
> Windows 7 system which I have no plans to upgrade. If things do change for

> the better in the future, I can always reestablish a new SMA.
>
> I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has already 
> preceded me in downgrading back to version 16.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Later...
>
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> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
> 


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

[Judy]

Gene and John, you have given me some very useful information and I thank
  You both. I wonder if Jaws 17 and 18 work better with Windows 10, but I am
still using Win 7 and am happy with it. No plans to upgrade until I have to,
and while considering upgrading my Jaws perhaps in the near future, you have
both convinced me to go with 16.  Judy & Libby
 
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of John M.
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 4:53 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

Hi Gene,

I have been using Jaws since version 5. Over the years, I have found that 
some versions of Jaws are very good and others are junk. In my opinion, 
version 17 is junk. I had upgraded from Jaws 15 to 17. After the upgrade, I 
had nothing but problems. After several months of struggling, I eventually 
installed version 16 and that is what I am still using today. I tried 
version 18 for a short while, but it was still not as stable and reliable as

version 16. I am using Windows 7 also. One more thing...I still use Office 
2003, because I just like it a lot. Jaws version 17 support for Office 2003 
was terrible.

I always go back to a saying that I have used for years--"Just because you 
can doesn't mean you should.". Just because there is a new version of 
Windows or Office or Jaws or any other piece of software or hardware, 
doesn't mean you have to rush to install it or purchase it. I rely on my 
computer on a daily basis to do my job and service my clients. I demand that

my core software is extremely stable and reliable. I have Jaws SMAs through 
version 20. I don't know if I will actually switch to those versions. Time 
will tell.

Best,
John


- Original Message - 
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarn...@gmail.com>
To: "JAWS Users" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:25 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16


> Hi everyone!
>
> Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to switch 
> from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15.
>
> As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the 
> Lighthouse here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had with 
> it, it just worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the addition

> of the very useful command search function.
>
> Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the engine.

> From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was running into 
> another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out wasn't much 
> better.
>
> So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently  recalcitrant 
> version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version 16 to see how it 
> compares to version 18. If it works as well as my memory of it recalls, I 
> will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and consider not maintaining my SMA 
> anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction with versions 17 and 18, it seems like

> most of the enhancements are for Windows 10 and have no effect on my 
> Windows 7 system which I have no plans to upgrade. If things do change for

> the better in the future, I can always reestablish a new SMA.
>
> I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has already 
> preceded me in downgrading back to version 16.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Later...
>
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> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
> 


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

[Adrian Spratt]

By the way, I also have a Win7, 64-bit system, along with Office 2010. As John 
says, no need to upgrade for the sake of it. JAWS is one of my rare exceptions 
to the rule.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:22 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

Gene,

When FS publicizes new features in each annual upgrade, they don't mention what 
I believe are a slew of behind-the-scenes changes they make in order to keep on 
top of developments on the Web. Sometimes I suspect these background 
improvements are what cause a deterioration in performance for some users with 
some websites. It's why many JAWS users keep more than one version on their 
systems. But if you decide to give up your SMA, you will find the Web 
increasingly more difficult to navigate because your old version can't catch 
up. That's been my experience as JAWS has gone from V. 2 to today's V. 18. 

There are always wrinkles. For example, when you install a new version, it will 
share components with any previous versions on your system. It can affect 
performance on the old version, which I've experienced. In fact, even when I've 
uninstalled an old version, decided I wanted it back, then uninstalled the new 
version in order to eliminate shared components, the old version comes back 
with problems associated with those shared components. Perhaps I've failed to 
get rid of all traces, but I won't mess with the registry. Others here do so 
all the time.

I think Miriam's point about the SMA functioning as insurance is a good one. It 
fits in with what I'm saying here. 

Finally, I see no deterioration in performance between JAWS 16 and 18. In the 
past, a JAWS upgrade has made certain websites less easy to navigate, but I 
haven't had that experience in a long time. Moreover, there are so many 
workarounds now, most of all the success many of us have had with turning the 
virtual cursor off in certain situations. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:26 PM
To: JAWS Users
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

Hi everyone!

Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to switch from 
Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15.

As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the Lighthouse 
here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had with it, it just 
worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the addition of the very 
useful command search function.

Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the engine. From 
there it seemed like every time I turned around I was running into another 
misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out wasn't much better.

So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently  recalcitrant version 
of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version 16 to see how it compares to 
version 18. If it works as well as my memory of it recalls, I will eventually 
uninstall JAWS 18, and consider not maintaining my SMA anymore. Besides my 
dissatisfaction with versions 17 and 18, it seems like most of the enhancements 
are for Windows 10 and have no effect on my Windows 7 system which I have no 
plans to upgrade. 
If things do change for the better in the future, I can always reestablish a 
new SMA.

I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has already 
preceded me in downgrading back to version 16.

Thanks!

Later...

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

[Adrian Spratt]

Gene,

When FS publicizes new features in each annual upgrade, they don't mention what 
I believe are a slew of behind-the-scenes changes they make in order to keep on 
top of developments on the Web. Sometimes I suspect these background 
improvements are what cause a deterioration in performance for some users with 
some websites. It's why many JAWS users keep more than one version on their 
systems. But if you decide to give up your SMA, you will find the Web 
increasingly more difficult to navigate because your old version can't catch 
up. That's been my experience as JAWS has gone from V. 2 to today's V. 18. 

There are always wrinkles. For example, when you install a new version, it will 
share components with any previous versions on your system. It can affect 
performance on the old version, which I've experienced. In fact, even when I've 
uninstalled an old version, decided I wanted it back, then uninstalled the new 
version in order to eliminate shared components, the old version comes back 
with problems associated with those shared components. Perhaps I've failed to 
get rid of all traces, but I won't mess with the registry. Others here do so 
all the time.

I think Miriam's point about the SMA functioning as insurance is a good one. It 
fits in with what I'm saying here. 

Finally, I see no deterioration in performance between JAWS 16 and 18. In the 
past, a JAWS upgrade has made certain websites less easy to navigate, but I 
haven't had that experience in a long time. Moreover, there are so many 
workarounds now, most of all the success many of us have had with turning the 
virtual cursor off in certain situations. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:26 PM
To: JAWS Users
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

Hi everyone!

Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to switch from 
Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15.

As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the Lighthouse 
here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had with it, it just 
worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the addition of the very 
useful command search function.

Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the engine. From 
there it seemed like every time I turned around I was running into another 
misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out wasn't much better.

So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently  recalcitrant version 
of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version 16 to see how it compares to 
version 18. If it works as well as my memory of it recalls, I will eventually 
uninstall JAWS 18, and consider not maintaining my SMA anymore. Besides my 
dissatisfaction with versions 17 and 18, it seems like most of the enhancements 
are for Windows 10 and have no effect on my Windows 7 system which I have no 
plans to upgrade. 
If things do change for the better in the future, I can always reestablish a 
new SMA.

I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has already 
preceded me in downgrading back to version 16.

Thanks!

Later...

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

[John M.]

Hi Gene,

I have been using Jaws since version 5. Over the years, I have found that 
some versions of Jaws are very good and others are junk. In my opinion, 
version 17 is junk. I had upgraded from Jaws 15 to 17. After the upgrade, I 
had nothing but problems. After several months of struggling, I eventually 
installed version 16 and that is what I am still using today. I tried 
version 18 for a short while, but it was still not as stable and reliable as 
version 16. I am using Windows 7 also. One more thing...I still use Office 
2003, because I just like it a lot. Jaws version 17 support for Office 2003 
was terrible.


I always go back to a saying that I have used for years--"Just because you 
can doesn't mean you should.". Just because there is a new version of 
Windows or Office or Jaws or any other piece of software or hardware, 
doesn't mean you have to rush to install it or purchase it. I rely on my 
computer on a daily basis to do my job and service my clients. I demand that 
my core software is extremely stable and reliable. I have Jaws SMAs through 
version 20. I don't know if I will actually switch to those versions. Time 
will tell.


Best,
John


- Original Message - 
From: "Gene Warner" 

To: "JAWS Users" 
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:25 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16



Hi everyone!

Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to switch 
from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15.


As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the 
Lighthouse here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had with 
it, it just worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the addition 
of the very useful command search function.


Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the engine. 
From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was running into 
another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out wasn't much 
better.


So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently  recalcitrant 
version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version 16 to see how it 
compares to version 18. If it works as well as my memory of it recalls, I 
will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and consider not maintaining my SMA 
anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction with versions 17 and 18, it seems like 
most of the enhancements are for Windows 10 and have no effect on my 
Windows 7 system which I have no plans to upgrade. If things do change for 
the better in the future, I can always reestablish a new SMA.


I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has already 
preceded me in downgrading back to version 16.


Thanks!

Later...

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

[Mike B.]

Hi Gene,

Although I have J15 thru J18 on all my computers my main & favorite version 
is J16.  I use J16 about 95% of the time.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: Gene Warner
To: JAWS Users
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 12:25 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16


Hi everyone!

Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to
switch from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15.

As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the
Lighthouse here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had
with it, it just worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the
addition of the very useful command search function.

Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the
engine. From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was
running into another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out
wasn't much better.

So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently  recalcitrant
version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version 16 to see how
it compares to version 18. If it works as well as my memory of it
recalls, I will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and consider not
maintaining my SMA anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction with versions 17
and 18, it seems like most of the enhancements are for Windows 10 and
have no effect on my Windows 7 system which I have no plans to upgrade.
If things do change for the better in the future, I can always
reestablish a new SMA.

I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has
already preceded me in downgrading back to version 16.

Thanks!

Later...

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

[Miriam Vieni]

I think that perhaps the latest upgrade of 18 may have fixed the issue I
kept having, which was that Jaws periodically disappeared  when I changed
from one window to the next. I may be wrong. I only did the upgrade
yesterday. But it's really expensive to stop paying for those SMA's. The one
for personal use averages out to be $60 a year. Even if you don't use it,
$60 a year is like an insurance plan in case you need a later version. If
you stop paying for them and then need a new version, it will cost a lot
more money.

Miriam

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:26 PM
To: JAWS Users 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16

Hi everyone!

Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to switch
from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15.

As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the Lighthouse
here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had with it, it just
worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the addition of the very
useful command search function.

Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the engine.
>From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was running into
another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out wasn't much
better.

So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently  recalcitrant
version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version 16 to see how it
compares to version 18. If it works as well as my memory of it recalls, I
will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and consider not maintaining my SMA
anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction with versions 17 and 18, it seems like
most of the enhancements are for Windows 10 and have no effect on my Windows
7 system which I have no plans to upgrade. 
If things do change for the better in the future, I can always reestablish a
new SMA.

I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has already
preceded me in downgrading back to version 16.

Thanks!

Later...

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Re: [JAWS-Users] downgrading back to xp

[Hicks Steven (ROYAL CORNWALL HOSPITALS NHS TRUST)]

Hi,

2gb should be fine in my opinion, we have only found issues when using 1gb.
Not saying that 4 wouldn't improve further of course.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Gerald Levy
Sent: 29 October 2015 13:15
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] downgrading back to xp


Not necessarily.  I am running Windows 7 on a Dell Optiflex desktop that has 
only 2gb of RAM, and it works just fine, even though the local hard drive has 
only 80gb total memory capacity. I don't think adding another 2gb of RAM would 
make an appreciable improvement in performance.

Gerald



-Original Message-
From: John M.
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 8:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] downgrading back to xp

Running Win 7 with only two GB of Ram is going to be a frustrating experience. 
Can you add an additional two GB of ram to your computer? It will make a huge 
difference in the performance of Win 7.

John

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To: "jaws" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 5:58 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] downgrading back to xp


>I have a HP netbook with 2 gigs of ram. I upgraded my netbook from XP to
>windows seven a while back. I'm using Jaws v15 and I noticed the netbook is
>incredibly sluggish. I am wondering if I roll it back to XP would that
>speed up the netbook computer?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] downgrading back to xp

[Gerald Levy]

Not necessarily.  I am running Windows 7 on a Dell Optiflex desktop that has 
only 2gb of RAM, and it works just fine, even though the local hard drive 
has only 80gb total memory capacity. I don't think adding another 2gb of RAM 
would make an appreciable improvement in performance.


Gerald



-Original Message- 
From: John M.

Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 8:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] downgrading back to xp

Running Win 7 with only two GB of Ram is going to be a frustrating
experience. Can you add an additional two GB of ram to your computer? It
will make a huge difference in the performance of Win 7.

John

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From: "leonard morris" <lmorris1...@gmail.com>

To: "jaws" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 5:58 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] downgrading back to xp


I have a HP netbook with 2 gigs of ram. I upgraded my netbook from XP to 
windows seven a while back. I'm using Jaws v15 and I noticed the netbook is 
incredibly sluggish. I am wondering if I roll it back to XP would that 
speed up the netbook computer?


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Re: [JAWS-Users] downgrading back to xp

[John M.]

Running Win 7 with only two GB of Ram is going to be a frustrating 
experience. Can you add an additional two GB of ram to your computer? It 
will make a huge difference in the performance of Win 7.


John

- Original Message - 
From: "leonard morris" 

To: "jaws" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 5:58 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] downgrading back to xp


I have a HP netbook with 2 gigs of ram. I upgraded my netbook from XP to 
windows seven a while back. I'm using Jaws v15 and I noticed the netbook is 
incredibly sluggish. I am wondering if I roll it back to XP would that 
speed up the netbook computer?


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Re: [JAWS-Users] downgrading back to xp

[valiant8086]

Hi.
Adding more ram does definitely increase performance, but after a 
certain point it stops making a noticeable difference. In this case the 
real bottleneck is the cpu. A fast processor running on 2gb of ram would 
run windows 7 just fine, I'd know, have done it. I've also upgraded from 
1 gb to 2 gb in my own netbook, and that helped, but even going from 
such a small amount to double that didn't make it fast. With a netbook 
like that, 2gb is the perfect amount, anything more than that is a bit 
of a waste. Ram memory serves the purpose of holding onto data that the 
processor needs to deal with. A fast processor will chew through 2 gb of 
ram quicker and keep it from being filled up as much, but adding more 
ram will give the capacity to hold onto more data at once for the 
processor. But just because you can put more people in line doesn't 
necessarily mean you can take care of more people at once, after a 
certain point. Additionally, if you don't have enough ram, the OS will 
be able to figure out what data is being used the least amount, and 
store that in a special place on the hard disk. While that data will be 
accessed much more slowly from a hard disk, it is little used data and 
generally you won't experience serious reductions of performance just 
because you're forced to store running data on the disk. The OS will 
adapt to what capacity it has within reason, 2gb is enough for basic 
computing because it gives you just enough room to keep frequently used 
data in the ram.


That having been said though, upgrading your ram certainly doesn't hurt, 
but it's hardly worth paying for more ram to put in a computer like the 
one being discussed here, for about twice the cost of the new ram, 
provided the netbook can support it (mine can't), you could buy a whole 
new tablet computer that will run windows 10 and absolutely spank the 
socks off the netbook and do it with a lot better battery life too. 
Granted, if you want a transformer that pretends to be a laptop like I 
mentioned before, it's going to cost more than twice the cost of new 
ram, but my point still stands.


In the case of this netbook, the most logical free solution is try to 
clean up the software. Maybe there is a memory leak, this user is 
running too much software, one or more applications are conflicting, 
etc. Win7 can run decently well on these but they can't run win7 all 
that well on top of dealing with some software or other that is eating 
too much cpu.


If the cpu is overheating and clocking down (compressed air would 
probably fix this). I'd like to know if this user has specific areas 
where performance is more a problem than others. Is it really bad in 
skype but halfway acceptable most everywhere else? things like that.


Also the old atom processors can be manually clocked, you can force them 
to run at around 800 mhz and, while I have actually gotten windows 7 to 
run at 430 mhz on my asus netbook by purposefully underclocking it, that 
doesn't yield itself to being a very good performer, rofl. There is a 
chance this user is using the power saver power plan, or even perhaps 
the balanced plan would be causing issues. Maybe putting the power plan 
to high performance would help.



Cheers, Aaron Spears, general Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates 
Developing "very good audiogames" for the blind community 
http://valiantGalaxy.com Sent with Thunderbird 38.2.0 portable

On 10/29/2015 9:15 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:


Not necessarily.  I am running Windows 7 on a Dell Optiflex desktop 
that has only 2gb of RAM, and it works just fine, even though the 
local hard drive has only 80gb total memory capacity. I don't think 
adding another 2gb of RAM would make an appreciable improvement in 
performance.


Gerald



-Original Message- From: John M.
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 8:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] downgrading back to xp

Running Win 7 with only two GB of Ram is going to be a frustrating
experience. Can you add an additional two GB of ram to your computer? It
will make a huge difference in the performance of Win 7.

John

- Original Message - From: "leonard morris" 
<lmorris1...@gmail.com>

To: "jaws" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 5:58 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] downgrading back to xp


I have a HP netbook with 2 gigs of ram. I upgraded my netbook from XP 
to windows seven a while back. I'm using Jaws v15 and I noticed the 
netbook is incredibly sluggish. I am wondering if I roll it back to 
XP would that speed up the netbook computer?


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Re: [JAWS-Users] downgrading back to xp

[valiant8086]

Hi.
You might try upgrading to windows 8.1 or windows 10, they are slightly 
more efficient in general, in some places they will be more sluggish 
yet, but on the whole 8.1 and 10 take less system resources to run just 
the OS. You could downgrade to xp by using an xp install disk and a 
windows xp activation code which may be written on a sticker on the 
bottom of the computer in print, of course. However, if xp is half as 
unsecure as they claim it is I think you'd be better off granting that 
it's a tad old and that it'll be a bit slow and just be patient.


That said, 7 itself is also pretty efficient should not run worse than 
xp does. What are the simtims, what have you tried to do to fix it, have 
you googled things like speed up my windows 7 computer? Don't install a 
random piece of software that might come up in such search results that 
claims to speed things up and generally brew your coffee just right, you 
want a how to tutorial that'll tell you what steps to take, things like 
turning off certain services, making sure the hard disk is not 
fragmented, clearing prefetch, turning off unneeded startup entries, 
clearing temporary files and so on.


It won't win any races but you should be quite able to do most tasks 
with windows 7, 8.1 or 10 with a few granules of patience. I'd know, 
I've been there, I've got an Asus netbook running win10 sitting right 
beside me in fact, doesn't run it very good actually, but it's an old 
version from before windows 10 was actually released. But I had 8.1 
installed before that, and 7 before that, and xp still before that, and 
I did just fine with both 7 and 8.1. I'm fully prepared to assume that 
the slowness it has now is do to prerelease software.


If you think you might like to just buy a new computer and you don't 
have lots of money to spend on it, try a nextbook 10 make sure it is the 
windows version, from walmart. It's a tablet that comes with a keyboard 
dock, the tablet sits down on the hinge and works just like a normal 
netbook, but it does have  a touch screen and you can pull the screen up 
off the dock and use it like a tablet. The biggest downside to this may 
be limited connectivity options no full sized USB port, and not very 
much storage though it does have an sd card reader. That's a 175 dollar 
computer with what sounds like similar specs to what your netbook likely 
has, but they do tend to run pretty well, newer and more efficient 
hardware in there.


If you have 375 dollars you can pick up an Asus t100 which is just like 
the nextbook save that if you buy online, there is a couple of versions 
of the t100 that include 500 gb hard drives in the keyboard dock. So for 
375 dollars you get a 1.86 or 2.1ghz quad core atom processor, 2 gb of 
ram, 32 or 64 gb of solid state storage included in the tablet, an sd 
card reader on the tablet, charges via standard micro USB, and the dock 
gives you an additional 500 gb of storage and one full sized USB 3 port. 
I have and rather like one of these.


Just some things to think about. If you can't seem to get the netbook to 
run modern windows at a pace that suits you, it might be wiser to try 
and upgrade to a new machine rather than downgrade to older and less 
secure software, especially if you like any of the modern functionality 
of later versions of windows.


Just for a lark though, if you're completely fed up with windows 7, try 
upgrading it to windows 10 while that's free, it might just run better 
if not just about as well.




Cheers, Aaron Spears, general Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates 
Developing "very good audiogames" for the blind community 
http://valiantGalaxy.com Sent with Thunderbird 38.2.0 portable

On 10/29/2015 8:53 AM, John M. wrote:
Running Win 7 with only two GB of Ram is going to be a frustrating 
experience. Can you add an additional two GB of ram to your computer? 
It will make a huge difference in the performance of Win 7.


John

- Original Message - From: "leonard morris" 


To: "jaws" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 5:58 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] downgrading back to xp


I have a HP netbook with 2 gigs of ram. I upgraded my netbook from XP 
to windows seven a while back. I'm using Jaws v15 and I noticed the 
netbook is incredibly sluggish. I am wondering if I roll it back to 
XP would that speed up the netbook computer?


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Re: [JAWS-Users] downgrading back to xp

[leonard morris]

Wow, that was really interesting and informative. Actually, other than 
office 2010, Thunderbird, IE11 and my magic jack device there's not much 
else running that I can think of at this time. Thanks again for the 
explanation.

On 10/30/2015 3:50 AM, valiant8086 wrote:

Hi.
Adding more ram does definitely increase performance, but after a 
certain point it stops making a noticeable difference. In this case 
the real bottleneck is the cpu. A fast processor running on 2gb of ram 
would run windows 7 just fine, I'd know, have done it. I've also 
upgraded from 1 gb to 2 gb in my own netbook, and that helped, but 
even going from such a small amount to double that didn't make it 
fast. With a netbook like that, 2gb is the perfect amount, anything 
more than that is a bit of a waste. Ram memory serves the purpose of 
holding onto data that the processor needs to deal with. A fast 
processor will chew through 2 gb of ram quicker and keep it from being 
filled up as much, but adding more ram will give the capacity to hold 
onto more data at once for the processor. But just because you can put 
more people in line doesn't necessarily mean you can take care of more 
people at once, after a certain point. Additionally, if you don't have 
enough ram, the OS will be able to figure out what data is being used 
the least amount, and store that in a special place on the hard disk. 
While that data will be accessed much more slowly from a hard disk, it 
is little used data and generally you won't experience serious 
reductions of performance just because you're forced to store running 
data on the disk. The OS will adapt to what capacity it has within 
reason, 2gb is enough for basic computing because it gives you just 
enough room to keep frequently used data in the ram.


That having been said though, upgrading your ram certainly doesn't 
hurt, but it's hardly worth paying for more ram to put in a computer 
like the one being discussed here, for about twice the cost of the new 
ram, provided the netbook can support it (mine can't), you could buy a 
whole new tablet computer that will run windows 10 and absolutely 
spank the socks off the netbook and do it with a lot better battery 
life too. Granted, if you want a transformer that pretends to be a 
laptop like I mentioned before, it's going to cost more than twice the 
cost of new ram, but my point still stands.


In the case of this netbook, the most logical free solution is try to 
clean up the software. Maybe there is a memory leak, this user is 
running too much software, one or more applications are conflicting, 
etc. Win7 can run decently well on these but they can't run win7 all 
that well on top of dealing with some software or other that is eating 
too much cpu.


If the cpu is overheating and clocking down (compressed air would 
probably fix this). I'd like to know if this user has specific areas 
where performance is more a problem than others. Is it really bad in 
skype but halfway acceptable most everywhere else? things like that.


Also the old atom processors can be manually clocked, you can force 
them to run at around 800 mhz and, while I have actually gotten 
windows 7 to run at 430 mhz on my asus netbook by purposefully 
underclocking it, that doesn't yield itself to being a very good 
performer, rofl. There is a chance this user is using the power saver 
power plan, or even perhaps the balanced plan would be causing issues. 
Maybe putting the power plan to high performance would help.



Cheers, Aaron Spears, general Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates 
Developing "very good audiogames" for the blind community 
http://valiantGalaxy.com Sent with Thunderbird 38.2.0 portable

On 10/29/2015 9:15 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:


Not necessarily.  I am running Windows 7 on a Dell Optiflex desktop 
that has only 2gb of RAM, and it works just fine, even though the 
local hard drive has only 80gb total memory capacity. I don't think 
adding another 2gb of RAM would make an appreciable improvement in 
performance.


Gerald



-Original Message- From: John M.
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 8:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] downgrading back to xp

Running Win 7 with only two GB of Ram is going to be a frustrating
experience. Can you add an additional two GB of ram to your computer? It
will make a huge difference in the performance of Win 7.

John

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To: "jaws" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 5:58 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] downgrading back to xp


I have a HP netbook with 2 gigs of ram. I upgraded my netbook from 
XP to windows seven a while back. I'm using Jaws v15 and I noticed 
the netbook is incredibly sluggish. I am wondering if I roll it back 
to XP would that speed up the netbook computer?


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Re: [JAWS-Users] downgrading back to xp

[Hicks Steven (ROYAL CORNWALL HOSPITALS NHS TRUST)]

I wouldn't downgrade to XP as it is not supported any more and there will be no 
updates etc released for it.
Did you run an upgrade or was it a fresh install?
Have you updated to all the latest drivers for your device?


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I have a HP netbook with 2 gigs of ram. I upgraded my netbook from XP to 
windows seven a while back. I'm using Jaws v15 and I noticed the netbook is 
incredibly sluggish. I am wondering if I roll it back to XP would that speed up 
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Re: [JAWS-Users] downgrading back to xp

[Trish]

I would first go to ms config and see what is in your startup list, the more 
checked the longer to startup and can run sluggish.
I personally have about 4 items checked in that list of stuff.
jaws of course,lol
MSE, drop box,and I am sure that is all.
I use win/7 on a laptop.
sorry for my bad spelling, I am not on that system right now. my Mac book pro 
has my attention, now talk about whole other environment…
I use them both actually.

On Oct 28, 2015, at 4:58 PM, leonard morris  wrote:

I have a HP netbook with 2 gigs of ram. I upgraded my netbook from XP to 
windows seven a while back. I'm using Jaws v15 and I noticed the netbook is 
incredibly sluggish. I am wondering if I roll it back to XP would that speed up 
the netbook computer?

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading from iTunes 11 to iTunes 9.

[Steve]

No, I don't think so.  You likely upgraded to the newer IOS and I think IOS 
5 and certainly IOS 6 require a newer version of iTunes to work.
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Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 1:02 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading from iTunes 11 to iTunes 9.



Hay there.
I am using jaws 11 with the latest version of iTunes, witch is iTunes 11.
the iTunes store doesn't seem to work well with jaws11.
can i downgrade iTunes so the store will work with jaws 11?
also i have a iPod touch 4th gen, and was wondering if it wood work if i 
downgraded iTunes?

Matt.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading

[Linnette Whalen]

I have been looking for 2003 and have not been successful.

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Hey Gang,
If you have Microsoft office 2007, and you want office 2003.
How do you go about getting 2003, or can you?
I don't like Microsoft office 2007.
Thanks for all the help I can get.
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[David Griffith]

Office 2003 appears to be available still at low cost on EBay.

Regards

David Griffith

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Can you do it from the Microsoft website?
Patti
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 Hi Patti,
 You can remove Office 2007 and install Office
 2003 from an installation media such as a CD
 or an external hard disk (or whatever the
 media you use).  You'll desinitely need the
 Office 2003 product key.
 Cheers,
 Joseph

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Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading

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[Tim]

The only problem with this, is the fact that any doc's created with 
2007 may not be useable in 2003. Microsoft makes there products 
backward compatible, but not forward compatible.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading

[Negoslav Sabev]

You can use Microsoft Compatibility Pac with office 2000 to 2003 I think. 
The address is:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/products/HA101686761033.aspx
I have 2003 here, so I don't need and have not use it. A good tip is that 
2007 users can save a document as doc 2003 so it would be readable right out 
of the box.
Negoslav

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 The only problem with this, is the fact that any doc's created with
 2007 may not be useable in 2003. Microsoft makes there products
 backward compatible, but not forward compatible.

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Hey Gang,
If you have Microsoft office 2007, and you want office 2003.
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Hi Patti,
You can remove Office 2007 and install Office 
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or an external hard disk (or whatever the 
media you use).  You'll desinitely need the 
Office 2003 product key.
Cheers,
Joseph

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