Re: Bye bye Adam
That subject line was a bit of a shock. I thought it was going to say something like Ashcroft vows perpetual Double Secret Imprisonment for Cough Syrup Swillers. Adam
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Shhh. Do you really want to call attention to yourself that way, in these times? BTW, what were your GPS coordinates again? ;) -dan. On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Adam Thornton wrote: That subject line was a bit of a shock. I thought it was going to say something like Ashcroft vows perpetual Double Secret Imprisonment for Cough Syrup Swillers. Adam
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Hello again from Gregg C Levine How do you think I felt? It wasn't until I read the article, that I realized exactly what it meant. I've actually met one of those contraptions. A piece of, *, well never mind. But it did start the portable computer generation. Anybody remember the Compaq Portable series? --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Thornton Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Bye bye Adam That subject line was a bit of a shock. I thought it was going to say something like Ashcroft vows perpetual Double Secret Imprisonment for Cough Syrup Swillers. Adam
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I have seen a few of the Compaq Portables. They seem to be remarkably well built. Every once in a while one turns up at various schools I visit, and most of them still work. They won't run Windows 95, or NT though. I am not sure if they will run Windows 3.x or not. -Original Message- From: Gregg C Levine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bye bye Adam Hello again from Gregg C Levine How do you think I felt? It wasn't until I read the article, that I realized exactly what it meant. I've actually met one of those contraptions. A piece of, *, well never mind. But it did start the portable computer generation. Anybody remember the Compaq Portable series? --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Thornton Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Bye bye Adam That subject line was a bit of a shock. I thought it was going to say something like Ashcroft vows perpetual Double Secret Imprisonment for Cough Syrup Swillers. Adam
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On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 11:23:53AM -0500, Gregg C Levine wrote: I've actually met one of those contraptions. A piece of, *, well never mind. But it did start the portable computer generation. Anybody remember the Compaq Portable series? Remember? I've got one in a closet here. When Compaq first introduced the Plus (the Portable with a 10 MB hard disk in place of the second floppy), I got one from a friend of a friend at Compaq employee price: a smoking deal at only $3400.
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On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 08:29:34AM -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote: I have seen a few of the Compaq Portables. They seem to be remarkably well built. There was a three-foot drop in the production line. THe machine was powered up and running a test program; if it glitched in any way during or after the drop, it failed. Every once in a while one turns up at various schools I visit, and most of them still work. They won't run Windows 95, or NT though. I am not sure if they will run Windows 3.x or not. Only if 3.x will run on an 8088. It wasn't till the Portable 286, a few models down the line, that it had anything beyond the original 8088.
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Fargusson.Alan wrote: I have seen a few of the Compaq Portables. They seem to be remarkably well built. Every once in a while one turns up at various schools I visit, and most of them still work. They won't run Windows 95, or NT though. I am not sure if they will run Windows 3.x or not. All machines should be so constructed;-)
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The Compaq Portable was their first machine, before IBM had a portable PC. It was the product that got them started in 1983 or so. It was 8088-based, so it won't run anything but DOS and very early versions of Windows (assuming it had a hard drive installed). The Osborne-1 was a Z-80 (8 bit) machine that ran CP/M. It had a very tiny 60-column (IIRC) screen between 2 floppy drives, with a fold-down keyboard. I had one briefly. (Swapped for something, then swapped away again.) Shortly after the Compaq came a series of clones from various companies. Some were better than others, but they all seriously stretched the definition of portable. -Original Message- From: Fargusson.Alan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Bye bye Adam I have seen a few of the Compaq Portables. They seem to be remarkably well built. Every once in a while one turns up at various schools I visit, and most of them still work. They won't run Windows 95, or NT though. I am not sure if they will run Windows 3.x or not. -Original Message- From: Gregg C Levine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bye bye Adam Hello again from Gregg C Levine How do you think I felt? It wasn't until I read the article, that I realized exactly what it meant. I've actually met one of those contraptions. A piece of, *, well never mind. But it did start the portable computer generation. Anybody remember the Compaq Portable series? --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Thornton Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Bye bye Adam That subject line was a bit of a shock. I thought it was going to say something like Ashcroft vows perpetual Double Secret Imprisonment for Cough Syrup Swillers. Adam
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Hello from Gregg C Levine And so do I. Except he's parked on the floor near my bookcase. And now back to our regularly scheduled discussion. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Maynard Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Bye bye Adam On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 11:23:53AM -0500, Gregg C Levine wrote: I've actually met one of those contraptions. A piece of, *, well never mind. But it did start the portable computer generation. Anybody remember the Compaq Portable series? Remember? I've got one in a closet here. When Compaq first introduced the Plus (the Portable with a 10 MB hard disk in place of the second floppy), I got one from a friend of a friend at Compaq employee price: a smoking deal at only $3400.
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On Tuesday 25 March 2003 11:37 am, Peter Flass wrote: I have seen a few of the Compaq Portables. They seem to be remarkably well built. Every once in a while one turns up at various schools I visit, and most of them still work. They won't run Windows 95, or NT though. I am not sure if they will run Windows 3.x or not. All machines should be so constructed;-) Yes. Constructed so they will not run Windows 95 or NT.[GRIN] And some still are, if not literally, at least philosophically. Mainframe, anyone? -- - Scott D. Courtney, Senior Engineer Sine Nomine Associates [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sinenomine.net/
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No kidding. I used to do Comdex booth setup for a company that did 3rd. party service back in the 80's. The various companies would send us sample equipment to put in our booth. I saw everything from Televideo boxes that were built so cheaply you could just about put a finger through the cabinet to units from Fujitsu with heavy cast-aluminum cases you could drive a bus over. -Original Message- From: Peter Flass [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Bye bye Adam Fargusson.Alan wrote: I have seen a few of the Compaq Portables. They seem to be remarkably well built. Every once in a while one turns up at various schools I visit, and most of them still work. They won't run Windows 95, or NT though. I am not sure if they will run Windows 3.x or not. All machines should be so constructed;-)
Re: Bye bye Adam
I think 3.x for x 11 will work on an 8088. If I remember right they dropped the 8088 support with 3.11. -Original Message- From: Jay Maynard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bye bye Adam On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 08:29:34AM -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote: I have seen a few of the Compaq Portables. They seem to be remarkably well built. There was a three-foot drop in the production line. THe machine was powered up and running a test program; if it glitched in any way during or after the drop, it failed. Every once in a while one turns up at various schools I visit, and most of them still work. They won't run Windows 95, or NT though. I am not sure if they will run Windows 3.x or not. Only if 3.x will run on an 8088. It wasn't till the Portable 286, a few models down the line, that it had anything beyond the original 8088.
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Gregg C Levine wrote: I've actually met one of those contraptions. A piece of, *, well never mind. But it did start the portable computer generation. Anybody remember the Compaq Portable series? Did the Osborne predate the Kaypro computers? I still have a Kaypro ][ (upgraded to two DSDD drives) in my garage, but I haven't powered it on in years. It'll be twenty years old this August. It's portable, but it helps if you have one of those little folding luggage carts. (We used to move it a lot between my dorm and my sisters' dorm, depending on whether they needed it or it was back home in my room.) Don't talk to me about Compaq, those Johnny-come-latelies :-) Ah, CP/M Wordstar
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On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 08:55:36AM -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote: I think 3.x for x 11 will work on an 8088. If I remember right they dropped the 8088 support with 3.11. I think 3.1 dropped Real Mode. And it's not like there's a whole lot that runs under Real Mode on Windows 3.0, either. Of course, who am I to talk? I just got YAN and Arachne running under PC-DOS 7.0 on my electronics workbench box. I need a DOS SSHv2 client if such a thing exists and I'm in business. Adam
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If memory serves, they were CP/M operating system. Garry E. Ward Senior Software Specialist Maritz Research, Automotive Research Group 419-725-4123 -Original Message- From: Fargusson.Alan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bye bye Adam I have seen a few of the Compaq Portables. They seem to be remarkably well built. Every once in a while one turns up at various schools I visit, and most of them still work. They won't run Windows 95, or NT though. I am not sure if they will run Windows 3.x or not. -Original Message- From: Gregg C Levine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bye bye Adam Hello again from Gregg C Levine How do you think I felt? It wasn't until I read the article, that I realized exactly what it meant. I've actually met one of those contraptions. A piece of, *, well never mind. But it did start the portable computer generation. Anybody remember the Compaq Portable series? --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Thornton Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Bye bye Adam That subject line was a bit of a shock. I thought it was going to say something like Ashcroft vows perpetual Double Secret Imprisonment for Cough Syrup Swillers. Adam Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you.
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Yes, but not by much. The Osborne (as I said before) had a really awful tiny screen. The Kaypro had a 5 or 6 inch monitor that was at least usable. -Original Message- From: Nick Laflamme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Bye bye Adam Gregg C Levine wrote: I've actually met one of those contraptions. A piece of, *, well never mind. But it did start the portable computer generation. Anybody remember the Compaq Portable series? Did the Osborne predate the Kaypro computers? I still have a Kaypro ][ (upgraded to two DSDD drives) in my garage, but I haven't powered it on in years. It'll be twenty years old this August. It's portable, but it helps if you have one of those little folding luggage carts. (We used to move it a lot between my dorm and my sisters' dorm, depending on whether they needed it or it was back home in my room.) Don't talk to me about Compaq, those Johnny-come-latelies :-) Ah, CP/M Wordstar
Re: Bye bye Adam
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 01:09:28PM -0500, Adam Thornton wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 08:55:36AM -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote: I think 3.x for x 11 will work on an 8088. If I remember right they dropped the 8088 support with 3.11. I think 3.1 dropped Real Mode. And it's not like there's a whole lot that runs under Real Mode on Windows 3.0, either. 3.11 for Workgroups dropped Standard Mode support, so it would not run on anything less than a 386. 3.1 and 3.11 would run on the 286 but not on the 8088/86. Adam
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Hello from Gregg C Levine Close. The Compaq Portables, were MS-DOS machines. Native MS-DOS, or OEM for Compaq. And I think Kaypro was an also ran for the whole notion of building a portable machine. They came out, about the same time as the Compaq job. And here's a giggle. For each machine, you needed an individual parts kit. That is, for the I, you needed a parts kit for a I, for a II, for a II, for a III, same story. They think they are still in business. I'll know more by this year's PCEXPO. So Mr. Osborne's machine knew it was the first one out there. And Adam, there is an SSH port for DOS, just search the Source Forge site for it. I think its located at http://sshdos.sf.net I always said this was a fun business. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ward, Garry Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Bye bye Adam If memory serves, they were CP/M operating system. Garry E. Ward Senior Software Specialist Maritz Research, Automotive Research Group 419-725-4123 -Original Message- From: Fargusson.Alan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bye bye Adam I have seen a few of the Compaq Portables. They seem to be remarkably well built. Every once in a while one turns up at various schools I visit, and most of them still work. They won't run Windows 95, or NT though. I am not sure if they will run Windows 3.x or not. -Original Message- From: Gregg C Levine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bye bye Adam Hello again from Gregg C Levine How do you think I felt? It wasn't until I read the article, that I realized exactly what it meant. I've actually met one of those contraptions. A piece of, *, well never mind. But it did start the portable computer generation. Anybody remember the Compaq Portable series? --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Thornton Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Bye bye Adam That subject line was a bit of a shock. I thought it was going to say something like Ashcroft vows perpetual Double Secret Imprisonment for Cough Syrup Swillers. Adam Confidentiality Warning: This e-mail contains information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, any dissemination, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The sender does not accept any responsibility for any loss, disruption or damage to your data or computer system that may occur while using data contained in, or transmitted with, this e-mail. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by return e-mail. Thank you.
Re: Bye bye Adam
On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 02:25:40PM -0500, Gregg C Levine wrote: And Adam, there is an SSH port for DOS, just search the Source Forge site for it. I think its located at http://sshdos.sf.net Got it. Works fine. Thanks. So now, for DOS, I have SSH/SFTP for interactive access, YAN, which is a custom build of ka9q plus stuff for telnet/ftp/icmp/whatever, and Arachne for Web access. Very exciting. I wonder if my packet driver will load into high memory. Adam
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On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Jay Maynard wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 11:23:53AM -0500, Gregg C Levine wrote: I've actually met one of those contraptions. A piece of, *, well never mind. But it did start the portable computer generation. Anybody remember the Compaq Portable series? Remember? I've got one in a closet here. When Compaq first introduced the Plus (the Portable with a 10 MB hard disk in place of the second floppy), I got one from a friend of a friend at Compaq employee price: a smoking deal at only $3400. In addition to my Original Osborne 1, I have a Toshiba T3100. At a mere 6.something kilos, it was the epitome of convenience. Came with bag which in turn included a shoulder strap. AT performance, 640K RAM, 10 Mbyte disk. Your Computer magazine's Computer of the Year. (I know early, I was talking to the editor, and the topic came up, and he said, It's obvious, isn't it? The T3100 was first with hard drive. -- Cheers John. Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb
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On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Nick Laflamme wrote: Gregg C Levine wrote: I've actually met one of those contraptions. A piece of, *, well never mind. But it did start the portable computer generation. Anybody remember the Compaq Portable series? Did the Osborne predate the Kaypro computers? I still have a Kaypro ][ Osborne invented the Portable. I bought one as soon as I could get my hands on one. Kaypro was the first clone manufacturer. -- Cheers John. Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb
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Hello from Gregg C Levine Nope. Compaq built theirs first. The Deskpro. It was a much better machine then the IBM PC. As for portable designs, it is still anybody's guess, which brand came first. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Summerfield Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 6:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Bye bye Adam On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Nick Laflamme wrote: Gregg C Levine wrote: I've actually met one of those contraptions. A piece of, *, well never mind. But it did start the portable computer generation. Anybody remember the Compaq Portable series? Did the Osborne predate the Kaypro computers? I still have a Kaypro ][ Osborne invented the Portable. I bought one as soon as I could get my hands on one. Kaypro was the first clone manufacturer. -- Cheers John. Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb
Re: Bye bye Adam
On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Adam Thornton wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 02:25:40PM -0500, Gregg C Levine wrote: And Adam, there is an SSH port for DOS, just search the Source Forge site for it. I think its located at http://sshdos.sf.net Got it. Works fine. Thanks. So now, for DOS, I have SSH/SFTP for interactive access, YAN, which is a custom build of ka9q plus stuff for telnet/ftp/icmp/whatever, and Arachne for Web access. Very exciting. I wonder if my packet driver will load into high memory. What are you using for a TCP/IP stack? I'm running DRDOS 6.0 here (sometimes). -- Cheers John. Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb
