OT: Linux Job openning at Aduva
Greetings to all, Position: Research Engineer Requirements: - Advanced Linux user / programmer / admin . - Familiarity with a programming language (Perl, Python C/C++) - Must be a team player, with willingness to work hard and learn (in the RTFM way). - At least 2 years work experience under Linux or a similar environment. Advantages: - BS in CS or Equivalent. - Experience as Linux/Unix Sys.Admin. Work is in Ramat Gan. Please send all CV's to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Michael Wolman Aduva Inc. Director of Content E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: +972 3 753 4300 Fax : +972 3 753 4343 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BRU is out ?
I heard onthe Linux International message board that EST, makers of the Open-source BRU backup, is out of business. Any ideas if it's true ? --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (main_buf = *main_buf_p) is not syntacticly like (i = *j) ?
Isn't is amazing that the same people that jump to your throat when they think that something off-topic is posted, are the same people who will galdly join an off-topic religious war on the list ? Please, stop this Thread, --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Job Offer in Aduva
Hi ! Aduva is looking for a Linux man/woman. Someone who can lead a group of people to develop and maintain a very big Linux Testing Lab. The work is under a tight daily time tables, so the work requires staying late more often than not. Requirements: *Good managerial abilities Experienced UNIX sysadmin Speaks PERL and other script languages MySQL/Other SQL databases Send Resume to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or your humble servant. --ury CTO Aduva, INC = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vgames
Daniel Feiglin wrote: Matan Ziv-Av wrote: On the same subject - is there a bank in israel that's it's online banking (internet or direct modem connection) is usefull within linux? Matan Ziv-Av. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I doubt it. I got Minibank from Mizrachi. It's got some security stuff which is strict MS, and it is touted for Win 98 . (It screwed up something in my Win 2000 partition that badly that I had to re-install, but that's another sad story.) Linux? I wonder if the folks at Mizrachi know what it is. I use Bank Hapoalim's, beside some Hebrew problem it works On Netscape 4.76 On RedHat 6.2 ( Whatever that means ) --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: efficient HD usage of the linux-il server?
Our offer of one SCSI disk still stands. Any other company volunteer to buy more ? Ury Segal Aduva INC Shaul Karl wrote: Can you tell us what eventually was/will be done with linux-il HD space problem? -- Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: efficient HD usage of the linux-il server?
So we have two disks now ? Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Oh really? ok, take this: if there is a place inside the machine - I'm willing to buy for the server a 60GB ATA 100 7200 RPM hard drive :) -- Hetz Ben Hamo System Administrator Magnifire Websystems Inc. On Monday 07 May 2001 15:25, Ury Segal wrote: Our offer of one SCSI disk still stands. Any other company volunteer to buy more ? Ury Segal Aduva INC = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks!
Hi ! I would like to thank all the people who came to our Launch Party. I hope this will become a tradition in the Israeli commecical Linux community ! As someone said, with this kind of food the next InstaParty will be an immense success :-) Anyhow, since we are "launched" - If you use RedHat 6.x, you are wellcomed to download our software from www.aduva.com, and we will appriciate if you try it out ! We discovered that many Israeli ISPs runs a Tarnsparent Proxy ( Bezeq does, Netvision doesn't ). In that case you will need to change the port from 80 to 1973. ( In the prefrences window ) in order for it to run correctly - don't press "OK" on anything before you do that :) --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aduva's Linux party Instructions
Here is the longest-URL-ever-seen-here that points to the exact location of Aduva's puinguin party tonight at 20:30. The address is shwantzino 8. The place in called "Tmuna". Or is it NAMED "Tmuna" ? WHo knows ? http://maps.yellowpages.co.il/dpz2000/AtlasNetLocator.DLL?BACK=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yellowpages.co.ilCMD=LOADPAGEPAGENAME=ATLASMAIN.HTMLSessionID=WA15177859OnErrorHtml=LError.HTMLNAVCMD=ADDRESSLayerVisible1=LayerVisible2=LayerVisible3=DumyCity=%FA%EC+%E0%E1%E9%E1DumyStreet=%F9%E5%F0%F6%E9%F0%E5DumyHouseNum=8City=%FA%EC+%E0%E1%E9%E1HouseNum=8Street=%F9%E5%F0%F6%E9%F0%E5 Much food, drinks and fun C U there --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Win Convenience Parition
We have tons of Windows Licences. Never used any. Any idea of what we can do with them? They are packed in original package. Eli Marmor wrote: Sorry if the response is a little flaming, but I don't think that owning licenses of MS is the business of anybody. And do you bloat up the price of your Linux system by bying an MS license, Unfortunately, most of the PC's are shipped these days with a "built-in" license for Win. In addition, some of us receive legal copies of the various versions of Win from MS. And in addition, many deals and packages (like a dial-up account in ISP) include a license as a gift. In addition to all of this, sometimes old PC's die, but the license of the Win which was installed on them is still alive. Of course, I could contribute licenses as a charity, instead of using them for very uncommon and rare cases, but as I wrote above, it should not be the the business of anybody. But even spending $90-$200 for a legal copy, doesn't look so strange for me these days, when mediocre lawyers charge $200 per a hour, a simple car cost 100,000 NIS, and the costs of employing a programmer are 40,000 NIS per a month. I'm miser, but not so extreme. too ? I think you shoot a bit beside the target here, I never ever met a system where Window helped me with HW diagnostics when I couldn't do it with Linux. Usually Windows is much worse (and you can't boot a Windows off a CDROM like you can boot Linux !). Exacly. This is why a special bootable partition is needed. You've got the point. P.S. "Bli Nedder", I'll make a summary of the other responses when I'll have time. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Checkpoint Firewall-1 on Linux ?
How about writing a checkpoint FW-1 interface clones to
feed rules into ipchains ?:-)
Think about the 10,000s of the people who already knows
how to use CheckPoint's GUI :)
Jonathan Ben-Avraham wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo wrote:
HBH THERE IS a GUI for Linux to configure the firewall, but the
HBH bastards want a $1000 for the fucking GUI! I'm serious!
Heh. Anybody saw recently a car seller that sells you a car without a
steering wheel and then wants another $10,000 for one? And what surprises
me the most, people still support these with their money... What, FW-1 is
so good it has no competition at all?
ipchains. The problem is brand recognition, not technical merit.
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Re: driver for net card
Hi Please send me the PCI ID of your card, we'll try to help you. We need fromt he output of "lspci" the line with the card. We also need the output of "lspci -n" . --ury Galia Gitliz wrote: Hi everybody Does anybody knows where I can find a driver for a net card of type "Intel Pro/100 Ve". This is on the Intel motherboard type 815E Thanks - Galia Galia Gitliz Weizmann Institute of Science Physics Department, EDAQ Group Tel 972-8-9342562 Fax 972-8-9344166 Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Checkpoint Firewall-1 on Linux ?
I saw FW-1 working great on Linux, fwstop made no
problems, works with 3Com 905B. And with Intel eepros.
The biggest problem is that there is no GUI for it
on Linux. There is for other UNIXes.
Should we volunteer to help CheckPoint port the GUI ?
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Aduva INC
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From: Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Aharon Schkolnik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: Checkpoint Firewall-1 on Linux ?
Hi,
Aharon Schkolnik wrote:
Anyone running Checkpoint Firewall-1 on Linux ?
Yes, I'm running it for around two weeks now. So far it's running
absolutely fabulous.
I did head a lot of FUD about this product (on Linux, I've been using
Firewall-1 on other platforms for years) before installing it, but so
far the only issue (as these things are called din corporatlandia) is
that if you take the fw down for any reason ("./fwstop") you'll have to
restart the network cards ("/etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart" or
ifconfig down and up for the non RH among us) or the network cards start
blasting you with kernel messages about some lack of memory - my guess
is that FW-1 forgets to unregister some hook it's using. However after
doing the restart everything is back to normal.
Nir Simyonovitch (Sorry if I didn't get your name right, dude ;-) told
me he saw major problems using FW-1 on Linux with INTEL NICs (the
eepro100's) so I didn't use those.
Anyone know who provides good support in Israel ?
Artnet. http://www.artnet.co.il
Anyone have any comments/warnings/suggestions ?
Nir S. (from Artnet) cited for me some cool numbers on completely
unofficial tests he made with FW-1 on NT, Solaris x86 and Linux. If i
got him correctly nunberswise Linus needs not be ashamed of his beast
l-))
Gilad.
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Linux support
Hi Are there any companies in Israel that give support for companies that use Linux ? (Something like LinuxCare, giving 24/7 service ) --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: networking problem
Sagi Bashari wrote: On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Noam Ben Haim wrote: hello all. I have a home network, consists of 2 Win2000 computers, and a linux (RH6.2) one. I can ping to any machine from any machine, but since the modem is on one of the windows machines, I want to use it as a gateway, with dial-on-demand. I managed to do this for the other win2000 machine, but for some reason, I cant make the linux machine do the same. when I try to ping to a an address outside my network, I get "network is unreachable". what should I do next? You need to define your windows ip as your gateway. Try to run: /sbin/route add -net windowsip netmask 0.0.0.0 I suspect it will not work, unless the man have real IP address on his linux box, and the windows machine knows how to route back. I think he is looking for IP masquarading. If it works, add it to your rc scripts, or use netconfig to set it (on redhat) TIA Noam Noam Ben Haim [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ ___ __ _ __ _(_) Sagi Bashari (_-/ _` / _` | |- [EMAIL PROTECTED] /__/\__,_\__, |_| |___/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where can i get free rh7
MadDog is a Linux enthusiast and the Head of Linux International ( see ww.li.org ). RedHat 7 - you can download from the many mirror sites ! see www.redhat.com --Ury SegalAduva INC Phone: +972-3-7534300Fax: +972-3-7534343 - Original Message - From: adi schwartz To: ilug Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:25 PM Subject: where can i get free rh7 hii all and "Shana Tova" i have 2 nasty 1. who is mad dog ? is he the one that gave a lecture in "ganey Ha TaHarocha"? 2. where can i get free rh7?
Meeting with Mad Dog
Hi! Yesterday some of us ( Not enough !) came to meet MadDog. I am sure some more literately-able people will write a summery. There was a team from Yes taking shots and interviewing MadDog, Moshe and other people, and free beers to all! Anyhow, another free beer to all who came - if you came to the MadDog meeting and you want RedHat 7 - send me your snail mail address. Not that I like RedHat after what they did in RH 7, but it is an important release of an important Distribution. -- Ury Segal Aduva INC Phone: +972-3-7534300 Fax: +972-3-7534343 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RPM 4 specs
Hi I am trying to get some information about version 4 of RPM, specifically librpm Interface. No where it is written the "offical" API of librpm; the ( once good ) book "Maximum RPM" is out of date. rpm.org is down. This is a growing problem since RedHat 7 uses RPM 4. Is there an "official" API publiched for RPM ??? --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MadDog meeting postponed to 21:00
Hi Ira asked me to informed you that The MadDog Meeting was postponed to 21:00. --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ftp://ftp.linux.org.il/pub/local-dev/ ?
If there is a disk space problem on the server, Aduva will buy IGLU as many disks as necessary. -- Ury Segal Aduva INC Phone: +972-3-7534300 Fax: +972-3-7534343 - Original Message - From: Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 3:10 PM Subject: ftp://ftp.linux.org.il/pub/local-dev/ ? Am I right that the local-dev dir does not exists anymore on the new server? Is it because there were more important things to rescue before IZ grabbed back the resources or are there any other reasons? Can I have my local-dev dir back, preferably with the original path? I actually published the path to my dir on the net (see http://www.internatif.org/bortzmeyer/debian/sponsor/), which is why the original path is important to me. As for the actual usage of that disk space, I have recently got 1 (one) compliant that the link is dead. Although 1 is pretty close to 0 in absolute terms, for me it is a big difference. -- -- Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Donate free food to the world's hungry: see http://www.thehungersite.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Automatic QA tools for X windows on Linux
Hi We are looking for an automated QA and Tests tools on Linux to test an X-Windows ( actually Qt ) based software. Do you know of any ? --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
COME ON!
Tell me moshe, I come and show you a difference in one the most basic functions in the C "standard" IO library anre not standartized. Now, you come and tell me, that the difference in compilers is that "they handle your mistakes differently". 1) Which of the two sprintf definition is the mistake? 2) Did you know that handling error cases are a BIG part of the standard ? Moshe, relax, Python is not 10% of what C++ is. Leave this crusade for Python. All language are problematic in all areas. --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sprintf, not sscanf, incompability
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Ury Segal wrote: char * sprintf( s, format, va_list); Oh. Yet another ANSI incompatibility from Sun Microsystems? You should probably forgive these guys. They were born before ANSI C and before POSIX. Modern BSD systems return int, as expected. It is NOT from Sun. It is from BSD. C doesn't even have a standard, on a function many of us used many times ( you know it is a security hazard, yes ?) Not if you're careful. And note, for example, that many portable programs come with their own sprintf-like functionality. Do not use this function. toy may be carefull, bu the prgrammer who change the code 3 years after you leave the company may not be. At least, use snprintf To put it simple, some parts of the C standard suck hard, and I mean both language per se and the standard C library. But overall, in my opinion, C is a nice language. Wow. After a long time I managed to bang some sense itto heads. You won't find a single soul here that will tell you it is not. So? Python is not perfect, Scheme is not perfect, Smalltalk is not perfect, C++ is downright horrible. Live with it. But Perl has an elegant syntax! g,dr Vadik. -- I was part of that strange race of people aptly described as spending their lives doing things they detest to make money they don't want to buy things they don't need to impress people they dislike. -- Emile Henry Gauvreay = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: C is standartizied - In your dreams!
I know C, thank you. Then why did you ask? I am not asking, you #%@^! , I am giving you examples. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sprintf, not sscanf, incompability
Quoth Ury Segal on Tue, Jul 25, 2000: Oh. Yet another ANSI incompatibility from Sun Microsystems? You should probably forgive these guys. They were born before ANSI C and before POSIX. Modern BSD systems return int, as expected. It is NOT from Sun. It is from BSD. It's from BSD, then. Pre-ANSI-C version. Before the standard existed. Before the ANSI standard. Got it? They didn't read the standard because it didn't exist then. Relax, man, I am only saying that there are problems in C, like there are in C++, that's all. To put it simple, some parts of the C standard suck hard, and I mean both language per se and the standard C library. But overall, in my opinion, C is a nice language. Wow. After a long time I managed to bang some sense itto heads. Did you hear me declare C the Ultimate Programming Language of all times? I only stated my opinion that C++ is much worse, and explained why most of your claims about C were mistaken and caused by basic misunderstanding of the C philisophy and goals. I DID NOT make any clain about C. And suggest you relax. Your opinions are not yourself, you know. BTW, fix your time _and_ your timezone. I AM IN THE UNITED STATES, MISTER KNOW IT ALL. Vadik. -- Would like to kill a certain group of users. -- UNIX tech support call = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
C is standartizied - In your dreams!
I got the feeling hat some people here think that C has a standard that is commonly followed, (more that C++ in any case.) This is SO FAR from the truth. C has profound standartzation problem, some of them built-in in the language. Let me give you some examples. 1) The "standard" IO library a. Do you know the standard, simple, sscanf() function? Do you know what does it return? It varies bwteen BSD, SYSV, and other C environments: In the first, it retrun the first parameter,and in the other, in returns the number of token actually converted. And you would think a function THAT basic would have a standard. b. If you ar not familiar with sscanf, how about fopen(), eh ? Old timer, mentioned in KR. Even THIS has no standard. On most Windows/DOS compilers, if you does not use the letter "b" in the 2nd argument to open, it will add CRLF, or maybe CR, or maybe LD after evert 255, or 254 or 246 character without CR,or CRLF, or maybe LF, among them. It all depends on your compiler. This is the default behaviour which can be changed in diffrent way in different compilers. And you don't want to know about the read operation, belive me. Now, if you want the file to be opened as text one on UNIX, there is no chance in hell you can know what it does until you read the sources , and the worst is, that it varies among UNIX compilers; some doesn'y support this feature at all. 2) The "standard" C variables types *) Do you know what is the size of an int ? It is built-in into the language definition that you cannot know the size of an int variable. It cannot BE standartized. GREAT ! *) Worse: Do you know the size of a pointer ? A long ? what ever compiler, or on some system, how you booted the machine, effect that. *) Is the "long long" datatype signed or unsigned by default ? Can you read my the "standard" on this ? 3) The "standard" C language Keywords *) Have you ever heard of the "far" keyword, sometimes used as the "FAR" macro? On 16 bit 8086 systems, it is used widely. Do you know how hard is this to go over 100's of 1000's of lines of "standard" C code and make it 32-bit with this used-to-be widely-used keyword *) "register" . Does anyone know what it does? It varies on different versions of the same compiler, for god's sake. 4) The "standard" C Preproccesor Don't get me started on this. Almost no two compiler has similar preprocessor. Multiple parameters to a macro with the same name? sometimes you have it, sometimes not. and the "#pargma" directive, which makes sure that your code will not compile somewjere else, makes sure that you have to read ALL the manual of ALL the c compiler you are using. All those things are just thing I came across during the 10 years or so I am writing in C as a payed professional. If you really want to see it all, go to the metaacutoconfig source. And, I don't know why you guis like Standard so much. There is one language that have a full tandard: ADA. Do you like ADA ? I wrote an SQL interprutter in this thing. I don't. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: C is standartizied - In your dreams!
Are you serious? DO you read what you are writing? It doesn;t matter if a standard exist, if not 99% of the implemetations follows it. I didn't give you examples where a standard lacks, I give you an example when IT IS NOT FOLLOWED. And , as in C++, IT IS ALSO NOT FOLLOWED. Dig it: C AND C++ have the same standartization problems. THE STANDARDS ARE NOT FOLLOWED. Umm..."b" is always supported, and the default mode is *always* text. It just so happens that on UNIX, things happen to work even if you forget the "b". So what you are saying that there is no standard meaning for "b" and "t". Exactly my point: No standartization in C for the most abvious and used functions. *) Worse: Do you know the size of a pointer ? A long ? what ever compiler, or on some system, how you booted the machine, effect that. There are standards for minimum length. Who cares what is the minimum length? WHAT IS THE STANDARD ? *) Is the "long long" datatype signed or unsigned by default ? Can you read my the "standard" on this ? "long long" isn't part of the C standard. It is part of the upcoming C9x standard, however. What do we care? Most compilers have it, since almost no compiler followes the standard. 3) The "standard" C language Keywords *) Have you ever heard of the "far" keyword, sometimes used as the "FAR" macro? On 16 bit 8086 systems, it is used widely. Do you know how hard is this to go over 100's of 1000's of lines of "standard" C code and make it 32-bit with this used-to-be widely-used keyword But "far" isn't part of the standard. So why is it widely supported? Again, C compilers DO NOT follows the standard, exaclty like C++. *) "register" . Does anyone know what it does? It varies on different versions of the same compiler, for god's sake. It does nothing semantically, except means it's illegal to take the address. The compiler can do whatever optimizations which do not affect semantics. I know C, thank you. 4) The "standard" C Preproccesor Don't get me started on this. Almost no two compiler has similar preprocessor. Multiple parameters to a macro with the same name? sometimes you have it, sometimes not. It's illegal to do it. The C compiler can make demons come out of your nose for all I care. So you agree with me, every C compiler have another version of C. `What a wonderfull, standartized language. and the "#pargma" directive, which makes sure that your code will not compile somewjere else, makes sure that you have to read ALL the manual of ALL the c compiler you are using. Here's a simple solution: don't use "#pragma". Who care about the solution? I am showing you example of miss-standartization, nd you give me obvious, useless "solutions". Those #pragma-s are needed, you cannot just "not use" it. And, I don't know why you guis like Standard so much. There is one language that have a full tandard: ADA. There are many more: Common Lisp is standard, too, for example. If you're not demanding ANSI standards, then you have Scheme (R5RS), and ECMAScript, for example. Standards are good, because code sometimes needs to be portable. The code I write must compile on WinNT with MSVC 5.0 and 6.0, on Solaris with SunWS 5.0, on AIX with Visual Age 5.0, and more porting requirements are looming in the future. C++ does have a standard, but all compilers I mentioned have too many parts they don't support that well Please, stop with the hot air. Give EXAMPLES. . C, OTOH, is pretty well implemented on all of them. Pretty well, but not from a standartization POV. -- Moshe Zadka [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is no IGLU cabal. http://advogato.org/person/moshez = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: C is standartizied - In your dreams!
I am saying, again and again., and again and again: I don;t mean that C doesn't HAVE a standard. The standard is not followed. That's all. It is Like C++. C, like C++, has several standard, but no one folows them. C is like C++ in that matter. - Original Message - From: Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 4:38 PM Subject: Re: "C" is standartizied - In your dreams! On Mon, Jul 24, 2000, Ury Segal wrote about ""C" is standartizied - In your dreams!": I got the feeling hat some people here think that C has a standard that is commonly followed, (more that C++ in any case.) This is SO FAR from the truth. C has profound standartzation problem, some of them built-in in the language. I don't agree. ANSI C is a good standard, although some things are deliberately left up to implementation, and even that is defined in the standard. These differences are easy to overcome with autoconf, or a similar system. Let me give you some examples. 1) The "standard" IO library a. Do you know the standard, simple, sscanf() function? Do you know what does it return? It varies bwteen BSD, SYSV, and other C environments: In the first, it retrun the first .. ASCI C (ANSI C3.159-1989) *does* specify, to the best of my knowledge, what this function returns: the number of items assigned. The fact that some older systems have a different implementation is just because their C compilation system is not yet ANSI compliant. b. If you ar not familiar with sscanf, how about fopen(), eh ? Old timer, mentioned in KR. Even THIS has no standard. On most Windows/DOS compilers, if you does not use the letter "b" in the 2nd argument to open, it will add CRLF, or maybe CR, or maybe LD after evert 255, or 254 or 246 character without CR,or CRLF, or maybe LF, among them. It all depends on your compiler. This is the default behaviour which can be changed in diffrent way in different compilers. And you don't want to know about the read operation, belive me. That's not fair: this idiotic "b" was added to the standard because of how Microsoft's C compiler worked, and on POSIX conforming system it is ignored (as mandated by the POSIX standard). This is indeed a stupid part of the C standard - they should have let microsoft choke on its own carriage-returns (all it would mean is that gets will return an additional carriage-return. who cares? Why did they need to define fictitious "text files"?) 2) The "standard" C variables types *) Do you know what is the size of an int ? It is built-in into the language definition that you cannot know the size of an int variable. It cannot BE standartized. GREAT ! *) Worse: Do you know the size of a pointer ? A long ? what ever compiler, or on some system, how you booted the machine, effect that. "how you booted the machine"?? The size of the variables is obviously defined in compile time (where sizes of static variables, etc., must be determined) so it cannot change in run-time. Anyway, this feature of C is one of its important points. I have programmed on machines where pointers were longer than integers, machines where pointers were shorter than integers, and you have to be aware of that. It's not C's fault: it's the fault of processors that have fixed sized pointers (obviously - although the 8086 complicated even this point), and a fixed size for their efficient integer (of course you can have 1024-bit integers, but you'll need special slow code to handle them - the machine has special sizes that can be handled efficiently). *) Is the "long long" datatype signed or unsigned by default ? Can you read my the "standard" on this ? I didn't realise "long long" was even in the standard, but maybe I'm wrong - I don't have any books here right now. *) Have you ever heard of the "far" keyword, sometimes used as the "FAR" macro? On 16 bit 8086 systems, it is used widely. Do you know how hard is this to go over 100's of 1000's of lines of "standard" C code and make it 32-bit with this used-to-be widely-used keyword Yeah, really hard... just do #define far /*nothing*/ If you're talking about the other direction, then this is *completely* the implementation's fault: there is no reason why the 8086 compilers (which I used too, by the way) and assemblers couldn't make the far calls when they determine that a call needs to be "far". It can also be fixed in the linking stage... You could also use the "Huge" memory model, in which case you didn't need this far keyword at all (if I remember correc
sprintf, not sscanf, incompability
Sorry Everyone! I ment sprintf isn't standartized. Here is the BSD definition, from Sun's site, you can see it returns the pointer to the string: http://docs.sun.com/ab2/coll.40.5/REFMAN3/@Ab2PageView/1370136?DwebQuery=ssc anfAb2Lang=CAb2Enc=iso-8859-1 char * sprintf( s, format, va_list); Here is the Linux sprintf, you can see it retuns int, the number of char actually printed: http://www.linux.com/development/man/3/sprintf/ int sprintf(char *str, const char *format, ...); Well, sorry for the confusion. C doesn't even have a standard, on a function many of us used many times ( you know it is a security hazard, yes ?) How can you come and tell me that C is a standard language. --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: C++ today (was Re: GTK 1.3.1)
Quoth Ilya Khayutin on Fri, Jul 21, 2000: From this thread I got the impression that most people here think that C++ is still that language which has no standart, used by small groups of people and is realy useless. Well guys... IT IS NOT THE 80s ANYMORE!!! Pity. It is year 2000 and C++ is a standartized language Yeah right. Yes. Do you know what is a standard ? Have you EVER been involved in standatrizing effort ? Did you ever READ a standard? which is used by a VERY large amount of people. Same large amount of people who choose Windows and eat in McDonald's. Oh - you see, those people makes the economy. People like you lives on another, imagenary world. The GNU compiler, g++, supports *_well_* 99.9% of the standard C++ Some C++ professional say otherwise, but I'm not one, so I won't comment on this. Give me one FUCKING "expert" that said that. Also, exprience has proven that using an OO design for large software packages is MUCH more efficient than plain function based design. C++ is an object-oriented programming language? Gimme a break. YOU do not define what is an OO language. The world aroud you, which you obviously Ignore, defined, long time ago, that C++ is an OO language. Someone said that because gtk+ uses its own implementation of an OO architecture in plain C, there is no reason to it to use C++. WHAT??? Nothing. People wrote object oriented code in C long before C++ was born. On SUCH a small scale, that you cannot give me one example of your enougmous exagragations. Object orientation is a function of design, not language. You can write object-oriented assembly, and you can write C++ with gotos. So fucking what ? There is a big diffrence between a C++ class and a C struct: PRIVELEGE CONTROL!! So? You can't _really_ hide what's inside. You always open your header files. Anyone can just insert "public:" into the header file and do whatever they bloody want. Everybody can do whatever in whatsoever language. What is your point, or are you wasting our time ? What about this: C is a small simple elegant language. It's relatively easy to learn. There are lots of people who actually know all of C by heart. C++ is a bloated pig which just grew into existance. It has helluva lot of features. There are very few people who actually know all of C++. Everybody knows some subset, You are right on this, but - and the problem is that everybody knows a different subset of the language. Tell me please, on what research, or ANYTHING, are you basic this idiotic sentense ? The biggest mistake in design of C++ was to base it on C. It makes the code MUCH less buggy. Yeah right. There was some programmer that reported that in his experience C++ programs were almost always bigger and almost always needed longer time to write than functionally equivalent C programs. I wrote 100's of 1000's of lines in both C and C++, and for big projects, C++ kicks C every time. Now THIS programmer tell you that. Who told you all this stuff? Your programming language teacher? Who told you THIS stuff? Do you know C++ at all ? Vadik. -- If you think C++ is not overly complicated, just what is a protected abstract virtual base pure virtual private destructor, and when was the last time you needed one? -- Tom Cargill, C++ Journal, Fall 1990. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GTK 1.3.1
- Original Message - From: Ilya Konstantinov [EMAIL PROTECTED] QT is C++ and OO. For GTK+, they developed their own system of containers and objects so they won't have to use C++ This sentense said you realy, readly do not understand what C++ is all about. (and community people tend to hate C++). WHAT ??? -- Best regards, Ilya Konstantinov = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux kernel Strings modfication
yes - Original Message - From: Lior Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 6:55 PM Subject: linux kernel Strings modfication Hi, i need to know URGENTLY if their is any way to modify kernel global variables of a loadable module ? thanks allot, lior = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jobs in Aduva
Hi all First, I am sorry about the cross-post in IGLU and linux-il, but AFAIK this issue isn't resolved. Aduva/LinuxQA is looking for more core Linux people. If you know how to install XFree 4, you are probably qualified. The work is Linux-only and with Linux Loving people. Full ( or almost full ) time only, work in the office in Tel Aviv area. Plus, a benefit of a personal fur Penguin puppy. If you are interested OT: One of our employee gave the Penguin puppy to her kid, who is ever since attached ot it. He takes it with him to hid kindergarten, tells all the kids his name is "Linux" and he is a good boy. I think this is the kind of things we need to do to make linux more popular. ;-) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stack trace
Hi, Dilog! On Mon, Jun 05, 2000 at 01:04:16PM +0300, you wrote the following: Does anyone know how to persuade a recalcitrant C or C++ programme to terminate with a civilised stacktrace instead of a laconic "Segment violation"? OK people... I know it is hard to believe, but it IS possible to do a stack trace from within the program. I did it inside the Linux kernel itself. Doing it inside a user program is much easier. And stack trace is just the beginning. You can do breakpoints, watched, everything. There is only one big problem, which is finding the symbol table and parse it. On linux you can make sure you compile with -g , and look at the /proc/pid/exe link to find the executable. If you omit the -g, you can do stack trace, but cannot see the parameters to the full, and cannot see local variables in a good format. If you want to write an API for this for the global good, contact me, but be warned it is difficult and I have little time to help. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NIS server on Linux
All in all, I would go to SUn, too. A real one ( not PC ) Ariel Biener wrote: On Sun, 4 Jun 2000, Mike Almogy wrote: [...] All in all, I would advise you to get a SS10-20 (aka. SunSparc 10 or 20), and use it as NIS server. You can also get UltraSparc AXi based from Ankor for example at reasonable prices (AXi 300 if they still have it, is the low end). If you cannot do it either, try installing Solaris 7/8 on a PC. --Ariel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
XF86Config
Hi Can you please send me your XF86Config file ? If you don't feel it's harming your security or privecy. Old ones you don't use are good, too. --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JFS is bad ( was: Re: fsck and async mode)
Evgeny Zemlerub wrote: crash) Sure! You can use ReiserFS (or other journaling file systems like XFS or EXT3) - I am sorry to tell you that ReiserFS have horrible bugs in the caching mechanism. It occur when you remove a file, and then re-create a file with the same name, and access this file from NFS. It doesn't occur with Ext2. We lost a lot of time and money on this. DO NOT use ResiserFS yet. Or don't say I didn't tell you. they boot and fsck really fast. I think it requires a kernel patch, but I'm not sure. You can find alot of documentation on the web. jfs. I belive that jfs and xfs are in pre-beta stages right now and shouldn't be used at production servers while ReiserFS (patches against 2.2.14) is stable for a few monthes already. I use it for a few monthes myself and never had any problems with. homepage : http://devlinux.com/projects/reiserfs/ download : http://devlinux.com/pub/namesys/linux-2.2.14-reiserfs-3.5.19-patch.gz Regards, Evgeny = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux Mandrake 7 server login problems
check /etc/securetty. It should contain the ttys you can login root from. for example, you can have tty1 tty2 . . tty7 for ther first 7 virtual terminals --ury Pavel Bibergal wrote: Nothing is wrong with first line.. and yes. i do use shadow password.. i don't thinl that the problem is the shadow, coz it accept the password when i enter su -Original Message- From: Mike Almogy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pavel Bibergal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Linux-il [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: éåà ùðé 01 îà é 2000 11:38 Subject: Re: Linux Mandrake 7 server login problems look at the first line in the passwd file. Maybe there something wronge with it. Are you using shadow ? Mike Mike Almogy. === Mofet Institute - Computer Dpt. +972-3-6901415 +972-52-562237 === "Live now, you can die later" - Original Message - From: "Pavel Bibergal" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Linux IL" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Ury Segal" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 10:42 AM Subject: Re: Linux Mandrake 7 server login problems = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Should I ask Sivan Toledo sivan@math.tau.ac.il for a classr oomon Thursday, May 4th?
It is not fair; we have many employees who want to come, and we all use one IP ! 1) place an IP limit - only one vote from same IP per hour. This way it'll hurt less people going through same proxy/firewall and it should make vote faking less fun. 2) we can also assume that if someone voted 15 times for meeting at friday he must really care about this issue and therefore we should count his opinion 15 times 3) we can just be grown-ups and stop faking votes. Thanks, Chen. -- Chen Shapira Web Developer and Linux Activist The first 90% of the code accounts for the first 90% of the development time. The remaining 10% of the code accounts for the other 90% of the development time. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HD Spac and failed ftp.
Ben-Nes Michael wrote: Hi All I downloaded the new RedHat 6.2 iso from few sources. When I came this morning I found out that the image at my HD is much too big 850MB so I rm it. The problem was that the HD space left as it was before the delete. Take it as a rule of thumb: You don't delete files in UNIX. You decrement the refrence count to them. The fact that the file may be deleted when the refcount is 0, is not under your control. Also, there are no files, so to speak. WHat you have on disk, is inodes, which in the directory ( which is also an inode) attached to a name, what you refer as the "filename". when some process open()s a file by name, the inode is found on disk, and the refcount to it is incremented, and a vnode is created in the RAM, and the refcount to it is incremeneted. So: You cannot assume you deleted a "file" (on-disk inode) unless you know for sure all the in-memory vnodes refrencing that "file" are deleted, which is to themselfs, they also have a refrence count, ( in case of fork() and such ). --ury Ury Segal [EMAIL PROTECTED] I tried to look for huge files with find -size but no luck. Any ideas ? -- -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-6-6925757 Fax: 972-6-6925858 http://www.canaan.co.il -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IGLU meeting 7.4
Now that we are bigger, why don't we make a new vote ? David Hananel wrote: So not in friday evening... Maby in Thursday evening? David - Original Message - From: David Tabachnikov [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Hananel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 8:29 PM Subject: Re: IGLU meeting 7.4 Yeah, but then what about the religios community (the real religious people - not wanna'be t0ra kiddi3s (Sorry, I'm bad at l33t sp34ck)) That can't come at friday evening? David Hananel wrote: Hey I learn in school in the morning too. I want to come to the meetings but it's always in the morning. I think we should do the meetings afternoon or maby in the evening. What do you think about that? It will be much more easier. David -- Best regads, David Tabachnikov (NetHunter) Please sign the Linux driver petition at http://www.libranet.com/petition.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MySQL and encryption
Adi Stav wrote: On Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 02:58:31PM +0200, Yuval El-Hanany wrote: Hi, a customer asked me whether MySQL can keep its data encrypted on the disk. Does anyone know if that's possible in MySQL or perhaps there's a file system driver which can do that? IIRC, there are kernel patches that act as encryption translators for block devices, so you can use any filesystem, encrypted on disk. They're not integrated in the standard kernel for legal reasons but are available on http://www.kerneli.org. I've never checked these out so I'm not sure if this information is accurate, but do tell me if it works :) There is encrypted filesystem. It works. -- Yuval El-Hanany | Kawasaki GPZ500 '97 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | stolen :-( | Have backpack, Home : 972-3-6993301| Debian Linux Inside |will travel Work : 972-9-9586077-227| | - Adi Stav = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: burn Red-Hat cd - tel-aviv area
Micha Feigin wrote: Hi I am looking for anyone in the tel aviv area that is willing to burn me a copy of the red hat cd (whatever version is recomanded for a new user on a home pc) Its for a friend of mine who is looking to get into linux. I can either pay for the cd or bring one in advance. I am looking for someone in the tel aviv area, as I am not motorised. We will mail you one. Send your snail mail address. Thank you [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Question About ld, please help..
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Ilya Khayutin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Multipile Precision library). The GMP library on my SuSe 6.3 system is at /usr/lib/libgmp.a and the header file for it is at /usr/include/gmp.h . I have a Makefile for compiling it but the real command for compiling some files is: You mean, linking... g++ -g -O -o -lgmp *.C 1) Put the -lgmp at the end of the command line. 2) WHere the heck is the output filename ??? Then read the fine book - "Expert C programming - Deep C Secret" by Peter Van Der Linden. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Off Topic: Sun machine Network config
Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Hi, In Linux, I know I can set up something like files, hosts, dns - or any sort of mix of them. If I do this trick on Solaris - it doesn't work. It's either DNS or files, not both of them. No. It works on Sun for years. Try to use commas (,) between the options ( or if you have, ommit them ) OS: Solaris 7 (SunOS 5.7) Any help?? (and something off, off-topic - Minix services in Israel SUCKS HARD!) Yes. Also EM echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ethernet card
Shlomo Solomon wrote:Nothing I do has succeeded in recognizing my Intel EtherExpress PRO card. I even managed to crash my machine a couple of times using modprobe to try to manually load the kernel module. please send output of /sbin/lspci , the output of "/bin/modprobe eepro100" , your .config file, and output of /sbin/lsmod . Name and version of dist, version of kernel. Any other error messages will be helpful. // Shlomo Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://come.to/shlomo.solomon // = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Error while compiling kernel
Happen to me when I did : make dep zImage You can't do this. You must do make dep and separatedly make zImage. UCGTechnologies wrote: I'm getting an error messege while compiling the RedHat6.1 kernel. After executing "make zImage" (or bzImage) the following error appears : /usr/src/linux/include/linux/kernel_stat.h:44: `smp_num_cpus' undeclared (first use in this function) and the compilation fails. This error appears even without any changes in the original kernel config. The missing variable appears in a file included by the above one, so it seems that there should be no problem. Any ideas ??? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ethernet mode.
Shaul Karl wrote: Hi. Ok some background info. recently i found out that our main switch is configured to use 10 MB Half Duplex Or auto-sence options on his ports. Somehow I have the feeling that full duplex Ethernet versus half duplex Ethernet is more a theoretical issue then a real life one. In particular, I would not have this issue got me too much busy with. I believe the Ethernet-HOWTO has a section about it. Half vs. Full is a real issue. It can give you hard problems if your server, for exmaple, is full ( or auto-nogotiate ) and the switch is half. Don't mess with it; make sure both sides are full duplex befor you switch ! = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IW2K saga
Sorry to state the obvious, but LinuxQA will fund the booth. How much is it ??? Chen Shapira wrote: Hi, I talked to Peli, and then Fania and in the end it comes down to the fact that we are low priority since (suprize!) we don't pay. So they'll continue selling booths for the next 3-4 days. And then give us whats left. We can start negotiating an internet line only after we get the booth. I'm putting the issue on hold until monday. For future use: Next trade-show get someone else to fund the booth, not PC. This is the second conflict of interest we ran into with them. Thanks, Chen Shapira. -- Chen ShapiraWeb Developer and Linux Activist Hackers do for love what other people wouldn't do for money = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [iglu] Re: IW2K saga
Chen Shapira wrote: Ury, Thats 2 month too late! Ira negotiated funding for the booth from PC few month ago. I know. But you said they won't let you! So maybe we can help. no no no no, I'm just saying that I'm afraid that their conflict of interest (helping us and making money) will get us a booth in the bathroom :-) OK. We will do nothing for now. If they will say they won't give us a booth, I suggest LinuxQA will help, if IGLU find it appropriate. --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IW2K
Shaul Karl wrote: When can we meet ? Are you in Tel-Aviv area ? I live in Tel-Aviv (pretty close to the junction of Dizingof and Ben-Gurion). We can meet on Tuesday or Wednesday at about 19:30, on Thursday (perhaps at the Jerusalem group meeting?) or sometime at Friday morning. My phone and fax numbers are 03 - 5220233 but I prefer that everything, including the time we meet will be posted on the mailing list to get everybody as much involved as possible. I hope this will not cause a significant increase in the noise figure. OK. Let's set the meeting in Tuesday at 19:30. I suggest we meet in LinuxQA offices ( The equipment is due to be here, too, so maybe we can also install it! ) . It is In the Bursa area in Ramat-Gan, foot access from Rakevet Merkaz, so it is easy for anyone not from Tel-Aviv to get here. When and exactly where could we meet? BTW: Can somebody give me a ride for the Jerusalem meeting on Thursday evening? And we'll make MUCH more noise than you. since We have MarkV. What is MarkV? Mark V is Marc Volovic. -- Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] An elephant is a mouse with an operating system. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: True 64 Unix ?
Ariel Biener wrote: About your Solaris vs. Tru64, I don't see how you wanna compare these. Solaris runs on x86 and Sparc platforms. Tru64 runs on Alphas. What do you want to compare exactly ? If you want to buy a strong Workstation, it is obvious you will want to compare several solutions. Since both Sun and Compaq (Digital) offer ones, it makes perfect sense to compare their solutions as a whole, the CPU itself only a part of the comparison. You will want to compare The Applications available, easy of management, proofed past installation, Superset, Stability, Security, Accuracy. There are many reason you want to compare Tru64 and Solaris. --Ariel It's off-topic, but may be somebody knows what is 'True 64 Unix' (Compaq/Digital - Alpha). What is good? What is bad? Linux vs. 'True 64 Unix' on Alpha (I know Linux is FREE, but...) Solaris vs 'True 64 Unix' ? Any references? Any comments? === Felix A. Shvaiger mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ariel Biener e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work phone: 03-6406086 fingerprint = 07 D1 E5 3E EF 6D E5 82 0B E9 21 D4 3C 7D 8B BC = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reinventing the wheel (Re: Hebrew Editor)
Moshe Zadka wrote: On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Ilya Khayutin wrote: A better option I think is to add hebrew support, build-in, into GTK+. That idea clicked right home. It should be possible to handle the whole right left problem entirely within a variant on the Gtk+ text-widget. It is a good idea, but it will not give us a real hebrew editor. I want an editor. --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reinventing the wheel (Re: Hebrew Editor)
Chen Shapira wrote: It is a good idea, but it will not give us a real hebrew editor. I want an editor. editor as in emacs/vim? No. Editor as in MS WordPad. is it going to have a hebrew gui or just hebrew font+bidi support? All hebrew. Even hebrew puns. Thanks, Chen. -- Chen ShapiraWeb Developer and Linux Activist "Preliminary operational tests were inconclusive (the damn thing blew up)" = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reinventing the wheel (Re: Hebrew Editor)
Moshe Zadka wrote: On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Ury Segal wrote: [About a hebrew enabled text-widget] It is a good idea, but it will not give us a real hebrew editor. I want an editor. I disagree -- it has been proven (IDLE) writing an editor is easy if you have a good text-widget. NOT on RTL-LTR case. Show me one good RTL-LTR editor based on Text widget. Heck, show me one good RTL-LTR widget at all. I dare say it will not be hard writing even a modal editor on top of a good text widget. I dare you. Show me how you write a RTL-LTR text on a non RTL-LTR widget; or just show me good RTL-LTR widget. OR, show me a good Text widget. There isn't even ONE decent Text Widget, let alone LTR-RTL. Show me a Text widget with kerning, I will make it RTL-LTR. You know what, maybe kerning is too much to ask for. Show me a Text Widget with Auto-Hypen. You embed that widget in a notebook inside a GnomeApp, add scriptable interface, add several million people writing extensions, and you got a Hebreww eanabled version of EMACS 0.5 wink I don't want emacs. I hate emacs. I love vi, but I don't need a hebrew vi. I NEED, NOW, WordPad. Pronto. I can't even write a decent letter to the Bank!!! -- Moshe Zadka [EMAIL PROTECTED]. http://www.oreilly.com/news/prescod_0300.html http://www.linux.org.il -- we put the penguin in .com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hebrew Editor
OK... I might be intrested in doing the hebrew Editor.. Anyone else want to do it ? --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IW2K
Shaul Karl wrote:
I believe it will help. Is this acceptable by LinuxQA?
Generaly, yes
Assuming it is acceptable, can LinuxQA wrote their exact address, including
the floor in which their offices are found? How can I pass the building
security ("I have come to mr. Segal from LinuxQA, please let me through ...")?
Basicaly, we can make a room with Inet connection ( and our vast collection of
Dists ) In certion hours.
But befor all that we must have a person in charge of the IW2K, and he
cannot be from LinuxQA - it is not ethical. Althow LinuxQA will not show it's
name
anywhere in IW2K, since we don't even tell what wer'e doing yet ( much less
tell it on a show! ). Maybe Compaq will want us to put a sign with their name -
but we don't. We want to stay hidden.
So we need non-LinuxQA-employee to be in charge - can anyone be
him ? We will help him a *lot*.
And we'll make MUCH more noise than you.
since
We have
MarkV.
When can I come and when must I leave ("You can come after 19pm because by
that time the noise level at the office becomes tolerable and you must leave
before 22pm because we are not willing to have non staff people at our offices
late at night")?
Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
An elephant is a mouse with an operating system.
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Linux in Intel
Hi I remember someone said there is Linux in Intel in Haifa, and they are using it to test chips. Does someone have some contact with the people of the lab there ? --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IW2K
Hello dear linux community. I saw Ira's post about him want to cancel the IW2K, and I got scared. I got scared because no one posted a reply. Don't you people care ? I feel the current attitude is that Ira is "the man" and he will do everything. No one comes forward to help him. This must stop. He cannot do everything by himself. People, step in and volunteer. Missing the IW2K is a big, big miss for Linux. --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: COM technology
Iftach Hyams wrote: As the "Linux representative" I have been asked if there is some implementation equivalent to MS COM (Component Object module). Is there ? You can use Corba, even "inside" the computer. The problem is not the technology. THe problem is that most Linux application don't export their objects as CORBA object, while in Windose most are. Also, not all Linuxes runt he Corba daemon ( Door ) ; In windows, COM comes up inthe boot process. All this, AFAIK. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux at the US
Hi I spent the last 10 days in the US, and I must tell you that Linux is HOT. You see daily articles about it in the newspapers ( not technical newspapers; regular ones ). The stores are FULL with Linux books ( TONS of linux books ) and distros. Even the guys at FRY's know what linux is ;-). Heck, there are TWO books about Star Office. So it feels great ! I am sorry I cannot come to the Feb. 4th meeting, I won't be in israel. A co-worker of mine, Ilan, is going to the NY Linux Expo; if you want something, mail him [EMAIL PROTECTED] , or if you are there, you can call him 917- 592-6907 . Prof. Amnon Barak will be there, representing MOSIX, so there will be an Israely point. --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ypbind problem
Alexander Goldberg wrote: run 'nisdomain' on client machine make sure you're using the same nisdomain as ypserver uses Att! It's not nessesary your real domain, you mai call it "BLAH" for example. also check that on client machine you have domain 'YOUR NISDOMAIN NAME' server 'YOUR_YPSERVER_IP' He wants to do this only if he would want to pre-set the yp server name; but he wants to broadcast for it. So he shouldn't set that line. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: job offer
Well Yoram, now you can be 100% sure no one from here will want to work for you. Most Linux ( and other ) people I know would rather work with *nice*, *polite* people, you see. Your advice of "following the papers in the next few weeks" is dubiously illegal, BTW. But this is between you and the NDA you signed with SMLINK. --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Net Tel-Aviv meeting
Hi I want to remind you all about the Tel-Aviv meeting in IDC, tommorow at 11:00. Ira - can you send more details ? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Amanda backup. - a little offtopic
Mike wrote: Hi list. I know that this is NOT a linux pure issue, but you are my last hope :-(((. ERROR [dir /tmp needs 64KB, only has 0KB available.] ERROR [dir /tmp/amanda needs 64KB, only has 0KB available.] ERROR [dir /etc needs 64KB, only has 0KB available.] YOUR TAPE/STAGING DISK IS FULL. What do i need to do in order to fix this ? Remove all the stuff in /etc and /tmp. Therefore, you will have anough space in the tape. Thanks, Mike Who else. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux Laptops - prices
I checked the prices for laptops. We want to run Linux on them. But the prices in Israel are twice as in the US. We have the theory that it is because there IS custom on Laptops. Is it true ? --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HUJI - status
Nathan Fain wrote: This issue may be dead. But I don't know if it should be or not (going to guess "not")... The problems I see for starting such on event are as follows (in order of difficulty): 1) Someone(s) getting the courage to go to the professors and/or "hackers" and begging them to give a lecture. 2) Someone(s) asking for the space in which to hold the meetings. Prof. Amnon Barak will be HAPPY to talk about his Linux project. He will give you a lecture hall, too ( On Ross, 3rd floor ). Also, I can give a lecture ( Going over the open() system call source code ). I am willing to come to HUJI if I know poeple will come. --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Next lecture
Hi Following the successfull Meeting, I am willing to think that we'll have more of them. I remember Ira asked, if the lecture should be technical, and all shouted: "Technical, Technical". So I am going to cancel my "Working with kernel sources" and give a technical one. As long as it is kernel/TCP related... Any special requets? I was thinking about going over fork() and open() source code and explain. The open() is especially good, using different parts of the kernel. --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Constantly polling nonblocking I/O prevents the OS from putting the polling processes to sleep?
What I am failing to understand is that the "OS can never put these processes
to sleep". If that is true then what about the kernel total control of the sys
resources? What about the kernel always dividing sys resources among users
according to sys policy?
I am still thinking that the assertion about "the OS can never put these
processes to sleep" is not accurate. Am I wrong?
It can put them to sleep, in a sense that it can do anything. It also can reboot the
system or format your hard drive; but it won't put it to sleep since the process
keeps doing stuff; there is no point making a process that is doing something
sleep.
If you're continually calling the kernel, how could it put your app to
sleep? That's what they invented select/poll for.
Yep
BTW: I should have said that the section of the book I was referring to was a
preparation for their discussion about select. Basically, a process like the one
I am referring to is a demo process which does
while (forever) {
read(NON_BLOCKING I/O file descriptor)
}
Actually, it DOES put it to sleep any time you call read(), but it immediatly wakes up
:)
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Re: Lack of enthusiasm
"Ralph S. Birnbaum" wrote: It's kind of bizarre actually. It's not that the list is unfriendly to newbies, as is evidenced by the list's help towards Dorit Ben Shalom. Or is it only friendly towards female newbies? About that, I only suggest you look in the archive for answers to Mike the newbies and Dorit the newbie. 12 points to the person who can tell me why is there such a difference. --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux.org.il site
linux.org.il site is broken. Who is responsible for it ? Are there any plans on fixing it ? --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: home sweet home
Vadim Vygonets wrote: * What do we do to promote our goals? - Hold social meetings and lectures every once in a while. is there one planned? I will give a lecture on "Intro to working with kernel sources". You say when and where - but In Tel-Aviv area. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 64M again
On one of our machines: Nov 7 11:51:33 yoda kernel: Memory: 127668k/131072k available (1008k kernel code, 412k reserved, 1640k data, 64k init) uname -a output: Linux yoda..com 2.2.12-20 #1 Mon Sep 27 10:40:35 EDT 1999 i686 unknown Clean, no re-compilation of kernel, RedHat 6.1 Dist. Also works fine on 2.2.5-15 Kernels, clean, no re-compile, Redhat 6.0 AFAIK There is no problem with 64M on 2.2 series. Dig arch/i386/setup.S . It asks the Bios how much there is mov ax,#0xe801 int 0x15 jc oldstylemem It used BIOS INT 15 cal e801 . If the BIOS is too old for that, it uses INT 15 service 88. Inly Mothetrborads with Bios that support INT15 service e801 will inform ya with RAM 64. "Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo" wrote: AJ I'm running a plain RH6 installation. No special drivers/patches AJ and if I remember correctly I didn't recompile the kernel since AJ installation (though I'm not absolutely sure about this). 1. Are you sure you haven't edited lilo.conf? 2. What motherboard is it? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/ There shall be counsels taken Stanislav Malyshev /\ Stronger than Morgul-spells phone +972-3-9316425/\ JRRT LotR. http://sharat.co.il/frodo/ whois:!SM8333 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD5 passwords on Caldera
Just got Caldera 2.3 ( Calanit sells it ). It is very nice and easy installation. But it have a problem - It is not preconfigured to use MD5 passwords ( which I run n a NIS server ). It gets the passwords from the NIS server but does not understand that they are in MD5 format ( and in shadow on NIS, another beast, but this works ) The thing responsible for it is PAM. I tried to play with PAM configuration and different versions of PAM, but to no avail. Caldera website is a mess. Any ideas ? --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HPT366 UDMA66 controller
From what I read in linuk-kernel, there are problems with SMP and IDE on kernel version 2.2.10 Nimrod Mesika wrote: Just got my BP6 Dual Celeron board... I'm looking for drivers for the built in HPT366 UDMA66 controller. Specifically, patches for 2.2.13 are needed (patches for 2.2.12 are available but fail with .13). Anyone? -- Nimrod. p.s. I can't downgrade to 2.2.12 - for some reason it hangs during the boot process(?). = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian
If anyone have an Image of debian 2.1, or a debian 2.1 CD, I will be happy if I can get it. --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LUG In tel-Aviv
Hi How about setting up a LUG meeting in Tel-Aviv ? I can host it. Let's DO IT ! --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
More Job offers
Hi We need several people in out new company ( probably the first Linux-only startup in Israel !) 1) Part-time Linux kernel hackers How about making some money out of the long nights of testing the latest patches ? We are looking for people who will commit on "Looking after" parts of the Linux kernel, checking for new patches and problems. Experience in kernel hacking required. It can be done at home, and as a part time job. If you want to do it full time, it is OK, ofcourse. 2) Linux/UNIX programmer/Administrator We need a skilled Administrator/programmer. His job is to design and develop a set of test applications for the Linux environment. Needs to know Perl, shell programming, C. Familiarity with UNIX environment protocols ( Like NFS ) and issues. It is a full time only job in Tel-Aviv. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Secure NFS w/ changing IP
It have nothing to do with NFS security; it is related to ONC RPC security. The whole point behind RPC is to free client-server programmers from certion tasks; Security is one of them. For a Linux solution see: http://www.fit.qut.edu.au/~ashley/sesp5b.html Guy Cohen wrote: At this (Sun, May 02, 1999 at 04:19:24PM +0300) day, Alex Shnitman wrote: | Hi. | | Is anybody aware of an alternative to NFS that works the way ssh does, | i.e. does authentication not according to the IP but according to the | existance of the right key on the other side? Some kind of NFS with | public-key cryptoraphy? In other words, something that is to NFS what | ssh is to rsh. Theres an on going poject of ietf concerning secure IP connection. Check out http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/ipsec-charter.html for basic ground, and plany links about Internet-Drafts and rfc's. Try there is also a mailing (preety nosie - about 20 mails a day - but preety intersting) list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] from linux's Security-HOWTO: 6.3 Linux x-kernel IPSEC Implementation Along with CIPE, and other forms of data encryption, there is also an implemention of IPSEC for Linux. IPSEC is an effort by the IETF to create cryptographically secure communications at the IP network level, which also provides authentication, integrity, access control, and confidentiality. Information on IPSEC and Internet draft can be found at http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/ipsec-charter.html. You can also find links to other protocols involving key management, and an IPSEC mailing list and archives. The Linux implementation, which is being developed at the University of Arizona, uses an object-based framework for implementing network protocols called x-kernel, and can be found at http://www.cs.arizona.edu/xkernel/hpcc-blue/linux.html. Most simply, the x-kernel is a method of passing messages at the kernel level, which makes for an easier implementation. As with other forms of cryptography, it is not distributed with the kernel by default due to export restrictions. -- Guy Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PF1 and installparty/prices
Seva Feldman wrote: Hi Omer! About 'we're happy to supply this CD to you for a mere $1.89' it's my mistake and I'm very sorry . I've made updates on web at 4:00am. Yeah, right. You accidentally wrote "1.89$" instead of "40 NIS". Happens every day.
Bug sells Linux
Did you know that BUG selss RH5.2 for 360 NIS ? --ury
Re: I think this qualifies as a newbie question
Vadim Smelyansky wrote: On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Oded Arbel wrote: OAwhat is 'Segmentation Fault' ? prog have no rigths to access memory segment Not always. Segmentation Fault is caused by any Segmentation problem, not just permissions problem. For example, assume that a given Address A is not mapped. Is it true to say that a program is not "allowed" to touch... but to touch what? Since that address isn't even mapped, you can't say anything about it's attribute - neither the privilage level ( Ring in x86, x2 ) , or Page mode , or Page type - neither of them exist. OA.. OAI realize (think) that this is the same as a win user asking - 'what does OAthe blue screen with the title - Fatal Exception means ?' but I would OAreally like a detailed explanation, as that is just the message I got OAafter I tried to compile some big proggy, 10 secs before my comp gone OAbonanzay. if you see blue screen - windoze dead. if you see segfault - system kill bad application. it is the difference :) -- Vadim Smelyansky (AKA Proglot) cellular:+972-53-876933 Wide Networking Solutions Ltd., Yokneam, 20692, Israel
Re: Bug sells Linux
I find using a CD much conviniant than anything else. I guess RH sells figures sais it's true for a quite a lot of people. Schlomo Schapiro wrote: Don't you think that it might be worthwhile to download it for the same or less amount ? ftp.tau.ac.il has everything. Schlomo On 15 Apr 1999, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Ury Segal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did you know that BUG selss RH5.2 for 360 NIS ? --ury Yes.
Re: offtopic: best programming language for my aplication ?
Oh god. Please, people. Let's DO NOT start a religious war now. Don't even say that language X is better than Y. It will start Such a flame war. Maybe the oldest flame war on the net. Erez Doron wrote: HI I have to write a user friendly application which controls a device via the serial port. I have to supply this app to our customers, so My primary target is MS-Windows :-( but I prefer if it was cross platform (i.e. runs on linux and other OSs) which programming language is easier ? which do I choose ? (Visual Basic ? Visual C++ ? Visual J++ ? JDK ? Delphi ? DJGPP ? other ?) I Know C, C++ very good I used to program with pascal so I can do it too I have some knopledge of java programming (did simple apps) I used to program basic on my Sinclair spectrum thanks Erez.
off-topic: off-topic
Hi While we are off-topic, talking about Socialism or programming languages, I would like to ask you to keep off-topics off the list. thanks.
Re: new kernel compiling error
Or Sagi wrote: On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, Mike wrote: Hi. whine about a kernel not compiling snipped why did it occour ? Because you're a clueless idiot ? Hello, guys. We are supposed to be nice people. You know, linux comunity,etc. If his mail bother you ( and Alex shnitman ) , you don't have to reply. If the man bothers you, you can use procmail to ignore him. --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NIS )YP( Server.
Mike wrote: If i will install a NIS client on my mail server will it work ? Work as what ? If you ask if it will hard your mail server. probably not. So the question is: What do you want it to do ? Tell us this and we'll help you. --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new kernel compiling error
Option 1: Probably you didn't install the as86. In my RedHat 6.0 it's in the package bin86. "The bin86 package provides an assembler and linker for real mode 80x86 instructions. You'll need to have this package installed in order to build programs that run in real mode, including LILO and the kernel's bootstrapping code, from their sources." -- rmp -qi -f `which as86` Option 2: Your path is wrong. Add /usr/bin to it if it's not there... NOT likely. Mike wrote: Hi.The bin86 package provides an assembler and linker for real mode 80x86 instructions. You'll need to have this package installed in order to build programs that run in real mode, including LI'm installing linux-2.2.12 kernel.in the make bzImage (or make zImage) i get the following error :make[1]: as86: Command not foundmake[1]: *** [bbootsect.o] Error 127make[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot'make: *** [bzImage] Error 2 What do i need to do in order to fix it ?why did it occour ? Thanks, Mike = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
