[NTG-context] Re: ck hyphenation in old German orthography
Am 18.03.24 um 00:02 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
Hraban Ramm schrieb am 17.03.2024 um 12:06:
Hi, the sample file aesop-de is in old German orthography, there, ck
should get hyphenated as k-k, this doesn’t work (e.g. Mücke isn’t
hyphenated at all). Is there something I can configure?
Hraban
\mainlanguage[deo]
\setuplanguage[deo][
hyphenmin=4,
lefthyphenmin=2,
righthyphenmin=2,
]
\starttext
\hyphenatedfile{aesop-de}
\startcolumns
Funktioniert die Trennung? Heckeneckenzecken
\samplefile{aesop-de}
\stopcolumns
\stoptext
Just as a start, the languages manual provides more details about
hyphenation.
\startexceptions[de]
He{k-}{k}{ck}en-e{k-}{k}{ck}en-ze{k-}{k}{ck}en
\stopexceptions
% \registerhyphenationpattern[de][c1k/k=k]
%
% \setuphyphenation[method=traditional]
\mainlanguage[de]
\starttext
Heckeneckenzecken = \hyphenatedword{Heckeneckenzecken}
\stoptext
Thank you! There’s some information I need to add in the wiki.
Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: ck hyphenation in old German orthography
Hraban Ramm schrieb am 17.03.2024 um 12:06:
Hi, the sample file aesop-de is in old German orthography, there, ck
should get hyphenated as k-k, this doesn’t work (e.g. Mücke isn’t
hyphenated at all). Is there something I can configure?
Hraban
\mainlanguage[deo]
\setuplanguage[deo][
hyphenmin=4,
lefthyphenmin=2,
righthyphenmin=2,
]
\starttext
\hyphenatedfile{aesop-de}
\startcolumns
Funktioniert die Trennung? Heckeneckenzecken
\samplefile{aesop-de}
\stopcolumns
\stoptext
Just as a start, the languages manual provides more details about
hyphenation.
\startexceptions[de]
He{k-}{k}{ck}en-e{k-}{k}{ck}en-ze{k-}{k}{ck}en
\stopexceptions
% \registerhyphenationpattern[de][c1k/k=k]
%
% \setuphyphenation[method=traditional]
\mainlanguage[de]
\starttext
Heckeneckenzecken = \hyphenatedword{Heckeneckenzecken}
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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[NTG-context] Re: [ how to force hyphenation all words ]
On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 21:40:08 +0100
vm via ntg-context wrote:
> Is there a command in context to force every word in a text to
> hyphenate? e.g to typeset a text with "ge-dach-ten-streep-jes"
Like this?
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{\samplefile{knuth}}
\stoptext
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[NTG-context] Re: How to make words searchable without diacritics
@ Ulrike: This is what my client wants, and the client is always right.
Regards
Marcus Vinicius
On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 2:23 PM Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>
> Am 07.08.23 um 14:17 schrieb Marcus Vinicius Mesquita:
> > Thank you for the answers, Bruce, Pablo and Hraban. I was not aware of
> > ActualText.
> >
> > I work on a manjaro linux, and I tested the example Pablo sent on
> > several programs:
> >
> > mupdf-gl or mupdf: fails! [mupdf-gl is what I customarily use for its
> > blazing speed]
> > firefox: fails
> > vivaldi: passes
> > okular: passes
> > qpdfview: passes
> > evince: passes
>
> Thank you for researching! I’ll include this in my viewer matrix. (But
> probably not before the ConTeXt meeting.)
>
> > But \pdfbackendactualtext is actually just what I needed since it can
> > be used also for other things like:
> >
> > \starttext
> > what a \pdfbackendactualtext{\hyphenatedword{wonderful}}{wonderful} text
> > \stoptext
>
> I’m not sure but I’d guess ActualText is also suitable for alternative
> texts (AltText) of images? Wouldn’t it make sense to have an alttext key
> in \externalfigure for accessibility (PDF/UA)?
>
> Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: How to make words searchable without diacritics
Am 07.08.23 um 14:17 schrieb Marcus Vinicius Mesquita:
Thank you for the answers, Bruce, Pablo and Hraban. I was not aware of
ActualText.
I work on a manjaro linux, and I tested the example Pablo sent on
several programs:
mupdf-gl or mupdf: fails! [mupdf-gl is what I customarily use for its
blazing speed]
firefox: fails
vivaldi: passes
okular: passes
qpdfview: passes
evince: passes
Thank you for researching! I’ll include this in my viewer matrix. (But
probably not before the ConTeXt meeting.)
But \pdfbackendactualtext is actually just what I needed since it can
be used also for other things like:
\starttext
what a \pdfbackendactualtext{\hyphenatedword{wonderful}}{wonderful} text
\stoptext
I’m not sure but I’d guess ActualText is also suitable for alternative
texts (AltText) of images? Wouldn’t it make sense to have an alttext key
in \externalfigure for accessibility (PDF/UA)?
Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: How to make words searchable without diacritics
Thank you for the answers, Bruce, Pablo and Hraban. I was not aware of
ActualText.
I work on a manjaro linux, and I tested the example Pablo sent on
several programs:
mupdf-gl or mupdf: fails! [mupdf-gl is what I customarily use for its
blazing speed]
firefox: fails
vivaldi: passes
okular: passes
qpdfview: passes
evince: passes
But \pdfbackendactualtext is actually just what I needed since it can
be used also for other things like:
\starttext
what a \pdfbackendactualtext{\hyphenatedword{wonderful}}{wonderful} text
\stoptext
Best regards
Marcus Vinicius
On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 3:13 AM Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>
> Am 06.08.23 um 20:37 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez:
> > Hans provides this jewel in back-imp-pdf.mkxl and back-pdf.mkiv (adapter
> > for your needs):
> >
> >\starttext
> >text \pdfbackendactualtext{whatever you want}{filia} text
> >\stoptext
> >
>
> > In any case, the PDF viewer used to search must have ActualText implemented.
>
> Exactly. And e.g. Apple’s PDF library has not; it is used not only by
> Preview.app, but also by Skim and TeXshop. (I should check this with
> other viewers/libs.)
>
> Hraban
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Re: [NTG-context] Bug in verbatim wrapping examples on wiki
On 2/5/2023 12:32 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
On 2/4/23 10:37, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
On 2/4/23 07:49, Hugo Landau via ntg-context wrote:
On this page of the wiki there is an example for wrapping long words,
like long hexadecimal strings:
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Wrapping
This example is buggy because it deletes one character at the point that
it is wrapped.
Anyone have a solution?
Many thanks for your report, Hugo.
I use this code from time to time and I totally overlooked this.
Have you checked all options that the sample contains?
Hans,
I have just checked that these line breakings loose a character in all
options.
The next sample displays the issue clearly:
\startluacode
--local shared = {
--start = 1,
--length = 1,
--left = false,
--right = false,
--}
local shared = {
start = 1,
length = 1,
before = utf.char(0xB7),
after = nil,
left = false,
right = false,
}
-- languages.hyphenators.traditional.installmethod("sha",
-- function(dictionary,word,n)
-- local t = { }
-- for i=1,#word do
-- t[i] = shared
-- end
-- return t
-- end
-- )
-- or more efficient when used often:
-- local all = { }
-- for i=1,512 do
-- all[i] = shared
-- end
-- languages.hyphenators.traditional.installmethod("sha",
-- function(dictionary,word,n)
-- return all
-- end
-- )
-- or more obscure:
-- local all = table.setmetatableindex({ }, function(t,k)
-- t[k] = shared
-- return shared
-- end)
--
-- languages.hyphenators.traditional.installmethod("sha",
-- function(dictionary,word,n)
-- return all
-- end
-- )
-- or just (lua is fast enough anyway)
local all = table.setmetatableindex({ }, function(t,k)
return shared
end)
languages.hyphenators.traditional.installmethod("sha",
function(dictionary,word,n)
return all
end
)
\stopluacode
\definehyphenationfeatures
[sha]
[characters=all,
alternative=sha]
\unexpanded\def\sha#1%
{\begingroup
\sethyphenationfeatures[sha]%
#1%
\endgroup}
\setuphyphenation[method=traditional]
%
% \unexpanded\def\sha#1%
% {\begingroup
% \sethyphenationfeatures[sha]%
% \setuphyphenation[method=traditional]%
% #1%
% \endgroup}
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{\sha{8b2f3c087046c3943ace0dc4f958ef2138e58a51b40e%
ef6fab6fa1aeb845cc257a410ab1b914bc399b4293f%
31c76fc2c73e5be5ea4d329f9e6820984688efec2}}
\stoptext
Are we missing something or is this a bug?
what do you expect as result? (maybe try \righthyphenmin=1)
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Re: [NTG-context] Bug in verbatim wrapping examples on wiki
On 2/4/23 10:37, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
> On 2/4/23 07:49, Hugo Landau via ntg-context wrote:
>> On this page of the wiki there is an example for wrapping long words,
>> like long hexadecimal strings:
>>
>> https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Wrapping
>>
>> This example is buggy because it deletes one character at the point that
>> it is wrapped.
>>
>> Anyone have a solution?
>
> Many thanks for your report, Hugo.
>
> I use this code from time to time and I totally overlooked this.
>
> Have you checked all options that the sample contains?
Hans,
I have just checked that these line breakings loose a character in all
options.
The next sample displays the issue clearly:
\startluacode
--local shared = {
--start = 1,
--length = 1,
--left = false,
--right = false,
--}
local shared = {
start = 1,
length = 1,
before = utf.char(0xB7),
after = nil,
left = false,
right = false,
}
-- languages.hyphenators.traditional.installmethod("sha",
-- function(dictionary,word,n)
-- local t = { }
-- for i=1,#word do
-- t[i] = shared
-- end
-- return t
-- end
-- )
-- or more efficient when used often:
-- local all = { }
-- for i=1,512 do
-- all[i] = shared
-- end
-- languages.hyphenators.traditional.installmethod("sha",
-- function(dictionary,word,n)
-- return all
-- end
-- )
-- or more obscure:
-- local all = table.setmetatableindex({ }, function(t,k)
-- t[k] = shared
-- return shared
-- end)
--
-- languages.hyphenators.traditional.installmethod("sha",
-- function(dictionary,word,n)
-- return all
-- end
-- )
-- or just (lua is fast enough anyway)
local all = table.setmetatableindex({ }, function(t,k)
return shared
end)
languages.hyphenators.traditional.installmethod("sha",
function(dictionary,word,n)
return all
end
)
\stopluacode
\definehyphenationfeatures
[sha]
[characters=all,
alternative=sha]
\unexpanded\def\sha#1%
{\begingroup
\sethyphenationfeatures[sha]%
#1%
\endgroup}
\setuphyphenation[method=traditional]
%
% \unexpanded\def\sha#1%
% {\begingroup
% \sethyphenationfeatures[sha]%
% \setuphyphenation[method=traditional]%
% #1%
% \endgroup}
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{\sha{8b2f3c087046c3943ace0dc4f958ef2138e58a51b40e%
ef6fab6fa1aeb845cc257a410ab1b914bc399b4293f%
31c76fc2c73e5be5ea4d329f9e6820984688efec2}}
\stoptext
Are we missing something or is this a bug?
Many thanks for your help,
Pablo
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[NTG-context] language identifier for all languages
Hi Hans,
as already mentioned in a previous thread
(https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2022/106713.html), I think
it might be useful to have an identifier for any language, such as in:
\setuphyphenation[method=traditional]
\registerhyphenationexception[*][macOS]
\registerhyphenationexception[any][macOS]
\registerhyphenationexception[it][macOS]
\startbuffer
\currentlanguage: \hyphenatedword{macOS}
\stopbuffer
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
\getbuffer
\language[it]\getbuffer
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
I think this is better than having other commands to add hyphenation
exceptions for all languages.
I wonder whether Steffen would be fine with this addition.
Many thanks for your help,
Pablo
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[NTG-context] \setuplanguage[explicitrighthyphenchar=-1] only works for English
Hans,
sorry for insisting again, but I’m still experiencing this issue in
latest current (from less than an hour ago):
\startluacode
function document.addfunnyhyphen(tfmdata)
local underscore = utf.byte("_")
local char = tfmdata.characters[underscore]
if not char then return end
tfmdata.characters[0xFE000] = {
width= 0,
height = 0,
depth= 0,
commands = {
{ "right", -char.width },
{ "down", char.depth },
{ "slot", 1, underscore },
}
}
end
utilities.sequencers.appendaction("aftercopyingcharacters",
"after","document.addfunnyhyphen")
\stopluacode
\definehyphenationfeatures
[underscore]
[righthyphenchar="FE000]
\setuphyphenation[method=traditional]%
\sethyphenationfeatures[underscore]%
\setuplanguage
[explicitrighthyphenchar=-1]
\setupinteractionscreen[option=singlesided]
\starttext
\doloopoverlist
{es,en,uk,de,nl,pt,fr,it,deo,da,sv,af,no,nb,pl,cs,sk,hr,sl,fi,et,hu}
{\mainlanguage[\recursestring]
\startTEXpage[offset=1em, width=5em]
\hsize\zeropoint
\recursestring: \\
\tt
\hyphenatedword{legibility-legible}
\stopTEXpage}
\stoptext
pt, hr and et don’t break the line at the hyphen. af breaks the line at
the hyphen adding an underscore just below the hyphen.
Either I’m missing something extremely basic, or
"\setuplanguage[explicitrighthyphenchar=-1]" only works for English.
Many thanks for your help,
Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] extra hyphen in underscore hyphenation
On 12/8/22 13:14, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
> [...]
> \setuplanguage
> [explicitrighthyphenchar=-1]
Sorry for insisting, Hans, but many languages (excepting en and uk) seem
nor to recogize this option:
\startluacode
function document.addfunnyhyphen(tfmdata)
local underscore = utf.byte("_")
local char = tfmdata.characters[underscore]
if not char then return end
tfmdata.characters[0xFE000] = {
width= 0,
height = 0,
depth= 0,
commands = {
{ "right", -char.width },
{ "down", char.depth },
{ "slot", 1, underscore },
}
}
end
utilities.sequencers.appendaction("aftercopyingcharacters",
"after","document.addfunnyhyphen")
\stopluacode
\definehyphenationfeatures
[underscore]
[righthyphenchar="FE000]
\setuphyphenation[method=traditional]%
\sethyphenationfeatures[underscore]%
\setuplanguage
[explicitrighthyphenchar=-1]
\setupinteractionscreen[option=singlesided]
\starttext
\doloopoverlist
{es,en,uk,de,nl,pt,fr,it,deo,da,sv,af,no,nb,pl,cs,sk,hr,sl,fi,et,hu}
{\mainlanguage[\recursestring]
\startTEXpage[offset=1em, width=5em]
\hsize\zeropoint
\recursestring: \\
\tt
\hyphenatedword{legibility-legible}
\stopTEXpage}
\stoptext
pt, hr and et don’t break the line at the hyphen. af breaks the line at
the hyphen adding an underscore just below the hyphen.
Either I’m missing something extremely basic, or
"\setuplanguage[explicitrighthyphenchar=-1]" only works for English.
Many thanks for your help,
Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] extra hyphen in underscore hyphenation
On 12/8/22 13:14, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
> On 12/8/2022 12:33 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
>> [...]
>> What am I missing here?
>
> \setuplanguage
> [explicitrighthyphenchar=-1]
Many thanks for your fast reply, Hans.
I’m afraid it doesn’t work here:
\startluacode
function document.addfunnyhyphen(tfmdata)
local underscore = utf.byte("_")
local char = tfmdata.characters[underscore]
if not char then return end
tfmdata.characters[0xFE000] = {
width= 0,
height = 0,
depth= 0,
commands = {
{ "right", -char.width },
{ "down", char.depth },
{ "slot", 1, underscore },
}
}
end
utilities.sequencers.appendaction("aftercopyingcharacters",
"after","document.addfunnyhyphen")
\stopluacode
\definehyphenationfeatures
[underscore]
[righthyphenchar="FE000]
\setuphyphenation[method=traditional]%
\sethyphenationfeatures[underscore]%
\setuplanguage
[explicitrighthyphenchar=-1]
\mainlanguage[es]
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em, width=4em]
\hsize\zeropoint\tt
\hyphenatedword{legibility-legible}
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
Results are the same with "\mainlanguage[es]" or "\mainlanguage[nl]".
If "\mainlanguage" is placed after "\setuplanguage", the extra unwanted
hyphen appears.
If "\mainlanguage" is placed before "\setuplanguage", hyphenation for
the second word doesn’t work at all (and the extra unwanted hyphen
appears in my actual document).
I don’t know what I’m missing here and it seems to be a picky issue to
provide a MWE.
Many thanks for your help,
Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] extra hyphen in underscore hyphenation
On 12/8/2022 12:33 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
Dear list,
I have the following sample:
\startluacode
function document.addfunnyhyphen(tfmdata)
local underscore = utf.byte("_")
local char = tfmdata.characters[underscore]
if not char then return end
tfmdata.characters[0xFE000] = {
width= 0,
height = 0,
depth= 0,
commands = {
{ "right", -char.width },
{ "down", char.depth },
{ "slot", 1, underscore },
}
}
end
utilities.sequencers.appendaction("aftercopyingcharacters",
"after","document.addfunnyhyphen")
\stopluacode
\definehyphenationfeatures
[underscore]
[righthyphenchar="FE000]
\sethyphenationfeatures[underscore]%
\setuphyphenation[method=traditional]%
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em, width=4em]
\hsize\zeropoint\tt
\hyphenatedword{legibility-legible}
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
In current latest (and in many versions before), I get an extra hyphen
in the next line after the hyphen, such as:
ity-
-leg
As far as I can remember, I would say this used to work before (no extra
hyphen was added in the next line.
What am I missing here?
\setuplanguage
[explicitrighthyphenchar=-1]
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[NTG-context] extra hyphen in underscore hyphenation
Dear list,
I have the following sample:
\startluacode
function document.addfunnyhyphen(tfmdata)
local underscore = utf.byte("_")
local char = tfmdata.characters[underscore]
if not char then return end
tfmdata.characters[0xFE000] = {
width= 0,
height = 0,
depth= 0,
commands = {
{ "right", -char.width },
{ "down", char.depth },
{ "slot", 1, underscore },
}
}
end
utilities.sequencers.appendaction("aftercopyingcharacters",
"after","document.addfunnyhyphen")
\stopluacode
\definehyphenationfeatures
[underscore]
[righthyphenchar="FE000]
\sethyphenationfeatures[underscore]%
\setuphyphenation[method=traditional]%
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em, width=4em]
\hsize\zeropoint\tt
\hyphenatedword{legibility-legible}
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
In current latest (and in many versions before), I get an extra hyphen
in the next line after the hyphen, such as:
ity-
-leg
As far as I can remember, I would say this used to work before (no extra
hyphen was added in the next line.
What am I missing here?
Many thanks for your help,
Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] Suboptimal German hyphenation
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: ntg-context Im Auftrag von Pablo
> Rodriguez via ntg-context
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Oktober 2022 20:02
> An: Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context
> Cc: Pablo Rodriguez
> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Suboptimal German hyphenation
>
> Hans added hyphenmin some time ago:
>
> \setuplanguage[de][lefthyphenmin=2, righthyphenmin=3, hyphenmin=6]
> \setuplanguage[deo][lefthyphenmin=2, righthyphenmin=3, hyphenmin=5]
> \mainlanguage[de]
> \starttext
> \startTEXpage[offset=1em]
> \hyphenatedword{davon}
> \deo\hyphenatedword{davon}
> \stopTEXpage
> \stoptext
>
> It is technically on the wiki, but it lacks proper “wikification”.
I just wanted to add it to the hyphenation page on the wiki, but I've seen that
you have just added it a couple of days ago. Thanks!
Denis
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Re: [NTG-context] Fwd: Hyphenation in multi-language projects
On 10/24/22 17:09, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
>> [...]
>> Hans, is there any news regarding Pablos wish?
> no, because I'm in a different tex mode ...
Steffen,
meanwhile, a way of crappy cheating...
\setuphyphenation[method=traditional]
\doloopoverlist{en,nl,de,es,it,fr,da,fi}
{\registerhyphenationexception[\recursestring][Joha-nnes]}
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
\hyphenatedword{Johannes}\\
\nl \hyphenatedword{Johannes}\\
\de \hyphenatedword{Johannes}\\
\es \hyphenatedword{Johannes}\\
\language[it] \hyphenatedword{Johannes}\\
\language[fi] \hyphenatedword{Johannes}\\
\fr \hyphenatedword{Johannes}\\
\da \hyphenatedword{Johannes}\\
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
Ugly code, but it might do the trick in some scenarios.
Just in case it might work,
Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] Fwd: Hyphenation in multi-language projects
On 10/24/2022 3:08 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:
*Von: *Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>>
*Betreff: **Aw: [NTG-context] Hyphenation in multi-language projects*
*Datum: *14. September 2022 um 19:40:53 MESZ
*An: *Denis Maier via ntg-context <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>>
*Kopie: *Pablo Rodriguez mailto:oi...@gmx.es>>
*Antwort an: *mailing list for ConTeXt users <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>>
On 9/14/22 16:54, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
[...]
Isn’t there a way to list exceptions that will work in *all*
languages?
I thought that \hyphenation would work like that, or \startexceptions
without a language code. Apparently that's not the case.
\hyphenation only works for the given language:
\hyphenation{macOS}
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
\currentlanguage:
\hyphenatedword{macOS}
\startlanguage[fr]
\currentlanguage:
\hyphenatedword{macOS}
\stoplanguage
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
But I’d say that \registerhyphenationexception[macOS] was
language-independent for me some time ago. (Now it seems to work like
\hyphenation.)
In any case, \registerhyphenationexception seems to have issues with
ligatures:
\setuphyphenation[method=traditional]
\registerhyphenationexception[steff-en macOS]
\registerhyphenationexception[it][steff-en macOS]
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
\currentlanguage:
\hyphenatedword{steffen macOS}
\startlanguage[it]
\currentlanguage:
\hyphenatedword{steffen macOS}
\stoplanguage
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
If there isn’t a command to add language-indepented hyphenation
exceptions or patterns, one for proper names (for people, products or
companies) would be really useful.
Just in case Hans or other wizard may take a look at this,
Pablo
Hans, is there any news regarding Pablos wish?
no, because I'm in a different tex mode ...
Hans
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[NTG-context] Fwd: Hyphenation in multi-language projects
> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:
>
> Von: Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>>
> Betreff: Aw: [NTG-context] Hyphenation in multi-language projects
> Datum: 14. September 2022 um 19:40:53 MESZ
> An: Denis Maier via ntg-context <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>>
> Kopie: Pablo Rodriguez mailto:oi...@gmx.es>>
> Antwort an: mailing list for ConTeXt users <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>>
>
> On 9/14/22 16:54, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> Isn’t there a way to list exceptions that will work in *all*
>>> languages?
>>
>> I thought that \hyphenation would work like that, or \startexceptions
>> without a language code. Apparently that's not the case.
>
> \hyphenation only works for the given language:
>
> \hyphenation{macOS}
> \starttext
> \startTEXpage[offset=1em]
> \currentlanguage:
> \hyphenatedword{macOS}
>
> \startlanguage[fr]
> \currentlanguage:
> \hyphenatedword{macOS}
> \stoplanguage
> \stopTEXpage
> \stoptext
>
> But I’d say that \registerhyphenationexception[macOS] was
> language-independent for me some time ago. (Now it seems to work like
> \hyphenation.)
>
> In any case, \registerhyphenationexception seems to have issues with
> ligatures:
>
> \setuphyphenation[method=traditional]
> \registerhyphenationexception[steff-en macOS]
> \registerhyphenationexception[it][steff-en macOS]
>
> \starttext
> \startTEXpage[offset=1em]
> \currentlanguage:
> \hyphenatedword{steffen macOS}
>
> \startlanguage[it]
> \currentlanguage:
> \hyphenatedword{steffen macOS}
> \stoplanguage
> \stopTEXpage
> \stoptext
>
> If there isn’t a command to add language-indepented hyphenation
> exceptions or patterns, one for proper names (for people, products or
> companies) would be really useful.
>
> Just in case Hans or other wizard may take a look at this,
>
> Pablo
Hans, is there any news regarding Pablos wish?
Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] Suboptimal German hyphenation
On 10/19/22 16:47, Leah Neukirchen via ntg-context wrote:
>> [...]
>> Many prefixes have two letters, so changing the default may be
>> reasonable. But there are more experienced German typographers on
>> this list who can chime in.
>
> After some research, I found the recommendation in
> Forssman, de Jong: Detailtypografie (4. Aufl, 2008, S. 124f.) to
> use 2/3 for German justified texts, and 3/4 to 5/5 for ragged text.
> They also recommend to never hyphenate words with 5 letters, not sure
> that can be encoded.
Hi Leah,
Hans added hyphenmin some time ago:
\setuplanguage[de][lefthyphenmin=2, righthyphenmin=3, hyphenmin=6]
\setuplanguage[deo][lefthyphenmin=2, righthyphenmin=3, hyphenmin=5]
\mainlanguage[de]
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
\hyphenatedword{davon}
\deo\hyphenatedword{davon}
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
It is technically on the wiki, but it lacks proper “wikification”.
I hope it helps,
Pablo
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[NTG-context] strange issue with hyphens
Dear list,
I’m experiencing a weird issue with hyphenation:
\setuphyphenation
[method=traditional]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{a-legibility-c}
\sethyphenationfeatures
[strict]
\hyphenatedword{a-legibility-c}
\stoptext
I need the setup hyphenation commands to get underscore hyphenation.
But how can I make that strict hyphenation features behave as standard
hyphenation ones?
I mean, that the first hyphen doesn’t get doubled and that hyphenation
is also enabled after the first hyphen.
I don’t know whether the strict hyphenation features are misbehaving
here or I am missing something very basic here.
Many thanks for your help,
Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation in multi-language projects
On 9/14/22 16:54, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
>> [...]
>> Isn’t there a way to list exceptions that will work in *all*
>> languages?
>
> I thought that \hyphenation would work like that, or \startexceptions
> without a language code. Apparently that's not the case.
\hyphenation only works for the given language:
\hyphenation{macOS}
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
\currentlanguage:
\hyphenatedword{macOS}
\startlanguage[fr]
\currentlanguage:
\hyphenatedword{macOS}
\stoplanguage
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
But I’d say that \registerhyphenationexception[macOS] was
language-independent for me some time ago. (Now it seems to work like
\hyphenation.)
In any case, \registerhyphenationexception seems to have issues with
ligatures:
\setuphyphenation[method=traditional]
\registerhyphenationexception[steff-en macOS]
\registerhyphenationexception[it][steff-en macOS]
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
\currentlanguage:
\hyphenatedword{steffen macOS}
\startlanguage[it]
\currentlanguage:
\hyphenatedword{steffen macOS}
\stoplanguage
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
If there isn’t a command to add language-indepented hyphenation
exceptions or patterns, one for proper names (for people, products or
companies) would be really useful.
Just in case Hans or other wizard may take a look at this,
Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation again
On 6/6/2021 6:29 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
On 6/6/2021 12:11, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
Hi,
yet another strange thing: «ap-plic-»
See code below, Steffen
\mainlanguage[en]
\startexceptions[en]
appli-cable
obli-gated
\stopexceptions
\startexceptions[de]
appli-cable
obli-gated
\stopexceptions
\startexceptions[it]
appli-cable
obli-gated
\stopexceptions
\setuplayout[width=1cm]
\starttext
\currentmainlanguage
\currentlanguage
\hyphenatedword{applicable}
applicable
\hyphenatedword{obligated}
obligated
\blank
\language[de]
\currentmainlanguage
\currentlanguage
\hyphenatedword{applicable}
applicable
\hyphenatedword{obligated}
obligated
\blank
\mainlanguage[de]
\currentmainlanguage
\currentlanguage
\hyphenatedword{applicable}
applicable
\hyphenatedword{obligated}
obligated
\stoptext
Am 09.10.2020 um 16:38 schrieb Denis Maier:
Hi,
another weird thing:
In this example I use \startexceptions to set hyphenation exceptions:
```
\mainlanguage[en]
\startexceptions[en]
appli-cable
obli-gated
\stopexceptions
\setuplayout[width=1cm]
\starttext
\currentmainlanguage
\currentlanguage
\hyphenatedword{applicable}
applicable
\hyphenatedword{obligated}
obligated
\stoptext
```
What am I missing?
Best,
Denis
When I edit this example with Vim, I see, in part:
\startexceptions[en]
appli-ca<200b>ble
obli-gated
\stopexceptions
\startexceptions[de]
appli-ca<200b>ble
obli-gated
\stopexceptions
\startexceptions[it]
appli-ca<200b>ble
obli-gated
\stopexceptions
So it seems that the answer remains the same from when Denis posted a
similar question a few months ago.
indeed, i just wasted an hour figuring out that there is some non letter
in there; so there will never be a match (exception words get simplified
to a key that is used in the lookup .. a \zwj or \zwnj can be used if
needed but in the meantime there is a more sophisticated mechanism
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation again
On 6/6/2021 12:11, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
Hi,
yet another strange thing: «ap-plic-»
See code below, Steffen
\mainlanguage[en]
\startexceptions[en]
appli-cable
obli-gated
\stopexceptions
\startexceptions[de]
appli-cable
obli-gated
\stopexceptions
\startexceptions[it]
appli-cable
obli-gated
\stopexceptions
\setuplayout[width=1cm]
\starttext
\currentmainlanguage
\currentlanguage
\hyphenatedword{applicable}
applicable
\hyphenatedword{obligated}
obligated
\blank
\language[de]
\currentmainlanguage
\currentlanguage
\hyphenatedword{applicable}
applicable
\hyphenatedword{obligated}
obligated
\blank
\mainlanguage[de]
\currentmainlanguage
\currentlanguage
\hyphenatedword{applicable}
applicable
\hyphenatedword{obligated}
obligated
\stoptext
Am 09.10.2020 um 16:38 schrieb Denis Maier :
Hi,
another weird thing:
In this example I use \startexceptions to set hyphenation exceptions:
```
\mainlanguage[en]
\startexceptions[en]
appli-cable
obli-gated
\stopexceptions
\setuplayout[width=1cm]
\starttext
\currentmainlanguage
\currentlanguage
\hyphenatedword{applicable}
applicable
\hyphenatedword{obligated}
obligated
\stoptext
```
What am I missing?
Best,
Denis
When I edit this example with Vim, I see, in part:
\startexceptions[en]
appli-ca<200b>ble
obli-gated
\stopexceptions
\startexceptions[de]
appli-ca<200b>ble
obli-gated
\stopexceptions
\startexceptions[it]
appli-ca<200b>ble
obli-gated
\stopexceptions
So it seems that the answer remains the same from when Denis posted a
similar question a few months ago.
--
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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation again
Hi,
yet another strange thing: «ap-plic-»
See code below, Steffen
\mainlanguage[en]
\startexceptions[en]
appli-cable
obli-gated
\stopexceptions
\startexceptions[de]
appli-cable
obli-gated
\stopexceptions
\startexceptions[it]
appli-cable
obli-gated
\stopexceptions
\setuplayout[width=1cm]
\starttext
\currentmainlanguage
\currentlanguage
\hyphenatedword{applicable}
applicable
\hyphenatedword{obligated}
obligated
\blank
\language[de]
\currentmainlanguage
\currentlanguage
\hyphenatedword{applicable}
applicable
\hyphenatedword{obligated}
obligated
\blank
\mainlanguage[de]
\currentmainlanguage
\currentlanguage
\hyphenatedword{applicable}
applicable
\hyphenatedword{obligated}
obligated
\stoptext
> Am 09.10.2020 um 16:38 schrieb Denis Maier :
>
> Hi,
> another weird thing:
> In this example I use \startexceptions to set hyphenation exceptions:
>
> ```
> \mainlanguage[en]
> \startexceptions[en]
> appli-cable
> obli-gated
> \stopexceptions
>
> \setuplayout[width=1cm]
>
> \starttext
> \currentmainlanguage
>
> \currentlanguage
>
> \hyphenatedword{applicable}
>
> applicable
>
> \hyphenatedword{obligated}
>
> obligated
> \stoptext
> ```
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Best,
> Denis
>
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Re: [NTG-context] Problem with word not hyphenating
Pablo Rodriguez schrieb am 30.11.2020 um 17:16:
On 11/30/20 4:48 PM, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
The word "re-implementation" refuses to hyphenate and consequently
stick outs into the right margin.
I've tried using \hyphenation but it makes no difference.
[...]
Any suggestions, please?
Hi Bruce,
here you have a sample:
\setuphyphenation[method=traditional]
\registerhyphenationexception[en][re-im-ple-men-ta-tion]
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
\hyphenatedword{re-implementation}\\
\hyphenatedword{re||implementation}\\
\hyphenatedword{re--implementation}\\
\hyphenatedword{reimplementation}
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
If you comment the first line, only "||" allows hyphenation.
Another option is to add \setbreakpoints[compound] to the document.
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Problem with word not hyphenating
On 11/30/20 4:48 PM, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
> The word "re-implementation" refuses to hyphenate and consequently
> stick outs into the right margin.
>
> I've tried using \hyphenation but it makes no difference.
> [...]
> Any suggestions, please?
Hi Bruce,
here you have a sample:
\setuphyphenation[method=traditional]
\registerhyphenationexception[en][re-im-ple-men-ta-tion]
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
\hyphenatedword{re-implementation}\\
\hyphenatedword{re||implementation}\\
\hyphenatedword{re--implementation}\\
\hyphenatedword{reimplementation}
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
If you comment the first line, only "||" allows hyphenation.
I hope it helps,
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[NTG-context] Hyphenation again
Hi,
another weird thing:
In this example I use \startexceptions to set hyphenation exceptions:
```
\mainlanguage[en]
\startexceptions[en]
appli-cable
obli-gated
\stopexceptions
\setuplayout[width=1cm]
\starttext
\currentmainlanguage
\currentlanguage
\hyphenatedword{applicable}
applicable
\hyphenatedword{obligated}
obligated
\stoptext
```
What am I missing?
Best,
Denis
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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation patterns
On 10/9/2020 10:15 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
Am 09.10.2020 um 08:52 schrieb Denis Maier :
Am 08.10.2020 um 19:05 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
\starttext
{EN: \en\hyphenatedcoloredword{applicable}}
{DE: \de\hyphenatedcoloredword{applicable}}
\stoptext
Wow, that's super helpful.
BTW \hyphenatedword works the same. I didn’t see anything colored.
There are some more commands like this, even \hyphenatedfile, see
https://source.contextgarden.net/tex/context/base/mkiv/supp-box.mkiv?search=hyphenated
Usually Arthur’s (hail the emperor of hyphenation and protector of the
patterns) patterns are flawless, so I guess it’s not a bug but an exception of
the rules.
ancient secret features:
>mtxrun --script patterns --hyphenate applicable --language=gb
hyphenator |
hyphenator | . a p p l i c a b l e . . a p p l i c a b l e .
hyphenator | 2a0p0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
hyphenator |4p1p2 2 4 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
hyphenator | 0p2l2 2 4 1 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
hyphenator | 1a0b0 2 4 1 2 2 0 1 0 0 0 0
hyphenator |2b0l2 2 4 1 2 2 0 1 2 0 2 0
hyphenator | 4l0e0.0 2 4 1 2 2 0 1 2 4 2 0
hyphenator | .2a4p1p2l2i0c1a2b4l2e0. . a p-p l i c-a b l e .
hyphenator |
mtx-patterns| gb 3 3 : applicable : applic-able
>mtxrun --script patterns --hyphenate applicable --language=us
hyphenator |
hyphenator | . a p p l i c a b l e . . a p p l i c a b l e .
hyphenator |4p1p0 0 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
hyphenator | 1p2l2 0 4 1 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
hyphenator | 0p0l0i2c1a0b0 0 4 1 2 2 2 1 0 0 0 0
hyphenator |1c0a0 0 4 1 2 2 2 1 0 0 0 0
hyphenator |0c0a1b0l0 0 4 1 2 2 2 1 1 0 0 0
hyphenator |0b2l2 0 4 1 2 2 2 1 1 2 2 0
hyphenator |0b4l0e0.0 0 4 1 2 2 2 1 1 4 2 0
hyphenator | .0a4p1p2l2i2c1a1b4l2e0. . a p-p l i c-a-b l e .
hyphenator |
mtx-patterns| us 3 3 : applicable : applic-a-ble
not the kind of stuff one wants to expose a new user to
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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation patterns
> Am 09.10.2020 um 08:52 schrieb Denis Maier :
>
> Am 08.10.2020 um 19:05 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
>> \starttext
>>
>> {EN: \en\hyphenatedcoloredword{applicable}}
>>
>> {DE: \de\hyphenatedcoloredword{applicable}}
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
> Wow, that's super helpful.
BTW \hyphenatedword works the same. I didn’t see anything colored.
There are some more commands like this, even \hyphenatedfile, see
https://source.contextgarden.net/tex/context/base/mkiv/supp-box.mkiv?search=hyphenated
Usually Arthur’s (hail the emperor of hyphenation and protector of the
patterns) patterns are flawless, so I guess it’s not a bug but an exception of
the rules.
Hraban
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Re: [NTG-context] How to define a font with an effect as a font with \definefont
On 5/23/2020 15:50, Gerben Wierda wrote:
On 23 May 2020, at 20:06, Wolfgang Schuster
<mailto:wolfgang.schuster.li...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Pablo Rodriguez schrieb am 23.05.2020 um 20:02:
On 5/23/20 11:52 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
[]
Actually, my setup is Optima with Helvetica used for Cyrillic:
\definefallbackfamily
[archimate]
[ss]
[Helvetica]
[preset=range:cyrillic,
tf=style:light,
it=style:lightoblique,
bf=style:regular,
bi=style:oblique,
force=yes,
rscale=1.0]
\definefontfamily [archimate] [ss] [Optima]
\setupbodyfont[archimate]
And I would like the effect to work on just the Optima font (which is a
bit light for this use)
Hi Gerben,
this code may work for you:
Don't forget to apply the "default" features to get ligatures and
kerning.
\definefontfeature
[effect-widen]
[effect={width=.2,delta=0.3}]
\definefallbackfamily
[archimate]
[ss]
[Helvetica]
[preset=range:cyrillic,
tf=style:light,
it=style:lightoblique,
bf=style:regular,
bi=style:oblique,
force=yes,
features={effect-widen}]
features={default,effect-widen}]
\definefontfamily
[archimate]
[ss]
[Optima]
[features={effect-widen}]
features={default,effect-widen}]
Does this apply the effect only to Latin characters in Optima and not
to Cyrcillic characters in Helvetica? I am trying to understand the
syntax and if I read this it seems to get applied to cyrillic in this
case.
G
Wolfgang
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Well, you could try it. With one small correction (line 10 here), and
effects exaggerated for demonstrations, it works just fine:
\definefontfeature
[effect-widen]
[effect={width=4.2,delta=0.3}]
\definefallbackfamily
[archimate]
[ss]
[Calibri]
[preset=range:cyrillic,
force=yes,
features=default]
\definefontfamily`
[archimate]
[ss]
[Calibri]
[features={default,effect-widen}]
\setupbodyfont[archimate]
\starttext
\doloopoverlist{\tf, \it, \bf, \bi}{
\recursestring{{\russian\hyphenatedword{Николаевич}\
\hyphenatedword{typography}}}\par}
\stoptext
Gives:
(I don't have your fonts, but this illustrates more clearly the
difference in handling for the two family definitions.)
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Re: [NTG-context] How to define a font with an effect as a font with \definefont
On 5/23/20 11:52 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
> []
> Actually, my setup is Optima with Helvetica used for Cyrillic:
>
> \definefallbackfamily
> [archimate]
> [ss]
> [Helvetica]
> [preset=range:cyrillic,
> tf=style:light,
> it=style:lightoblique,
> bf=style:regular,
> bi=style:oblique,
> force=yes,
> rscale=1.0]
> \definefontfamily [archimate] [ss] [Optima]
> \setupbodyfont[archimate]
>
> And I would like the effect to work on just the Optima font (which is a
> bit light for this use)
Hi Gerben,
this code may work for you:
\definefontfeature
[effect-widen]
[effect={width=.2,delta=0.3}]
\definefallbackfamily
[archimate]
[ss]
[Helvetica]
[preset=range:cyrillic,
tf=style:light,
it=style:lightoblique,
bf=style:regular,
bi=style:oblique,
force=yes,
features={effect-widen}]
\definefontfamily
[archimate]
[ss]
[Optima]
[features={effect-widen}]
\setupbodyfont[archimate]
\starttext
\doloopoverlist{\tf, \it, \bf, \bi}{
\recursestring\hyphenatedword{Николаевич typography}\par}
\stoptext
BTW, rscale is set to 1.0 by default (as far as I can tell).
Just in case it helps,
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Re: [NTG-context] How do I add cyrillic to my typescript/document?
On 4 May 2020, at 12:13, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>
> On 5/4/20 12:36 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
>> [...]
>> It could help if I would understand ConTeXt better. The link gives me a
>> grammar for a command, but doesn’t tell me what to put in.
>>
>> I tried many, many different permutations, I tried everything I could
>> find on ConTeXtgarden (but then, that also finds me stuff from 15 years
>> ago that isn’t valid anymore), but no luck so far.
>
> Sorry for not explaining it better, Gerben.
>
> Let me know if the following sample works for you:
>
> \setuplanguage[en][patterns={en, ru}]
>
> \definefallbackfamily
>[abc]
>[ss]
>[Helvetica]
>[preset=range:cyrillic,
> %~ tf=style:light,
> %~ it=style:lightoblique,
> %~ bf=style:regular,
> %~ bi=style:oblique,
> force=yes,
> rscale=0.9]
>
> \definefontfamily [abc] [ss] [Optima]
>
> \setupbodyfont[abc]
>
> \starttext
> \startTEXpage[offset=1em]
> \doloopoverlist{\tf, \it, \bf, \bi}{
> \recursestring\hyphenatedword{Николаевич typography}\par}
> \stopTEXpage
> \stoptext
>
> It should hyphenate both English and Russian in all four fonts (regular,
> italic, bold and bold italic).
The above works (including using macOS Helvetica as the font for cyrillic).
Thank you.
I have no idea why (earlier I got the typescript suggestion for my fonts
management, but this uses another approach). Is it the case that the ‘family’
and ’typescript’ approaches don’t really mix? The above is a lot simpler than
that what I had and it works fine.
Any reason to leave these commented? And does uncommenting is plan
TeX-uncommenting, so only the % goes away? Makes me wonder what ‘~’ means.
> %~ tf=style:light,
> %~ it=style:lightoblique,
> %~ bf=style:regular,
> %~ bi=style:oblique,
What I try to do is to have english as the default (and fallback) language and
Optima as the default font, but there may be snippets in other languages which
should be typeset in a font that can handle cyrillic. Helvetica is an option.
So is dejavu.
I still am totally in the dark how this works and what made the earlier setup
find Optima but not find Helvetica.
And I’m curious why this adaptation doesn’t work:
\definefallbackfamily
[abc]
[ss]
[dejavu]
[preset=range:cyrillic,
%~ tf=style:light,
%~ it=style:lightoblique,
%~ bf=style:regular,
%~ bi=style:oblique,
force=yes,
rscale=0.9]
Anyway, I can go on, not wiser but helped further. Thanks again.
G
>
>> Which is weird because Optima.ttc is in the same directory and it is found.
>
> Aren’t Optima.ttc and Helvetica.ttc installed as typefaces on your macOS?
>
> This is relevant, since ConTeXt may have problems finding them when not
> installed on the system (especially with the system I use).
>
> If the sample above doesn’t work, please provide the output of "locate
> Helvetica.ttc".
>
>> But anyway, even if I could understand it, I can’t find anything useful
>> (that is: something that works or makes me try something that works)
>> about font fallbacks. Spending hours of looking (losing a lot of sleep)
>> and then having to bother the list again is very frustrating. Why isn’t
>> this straightforward? I am sorry, everybody is very helpful, but the
>> frustration mounts again.
>
> If the sample above works, I think font management for your documents
> may be easier to handle (or at least, the font code will be simpler).
>
> Don’t loose sleep when code is not working, ask here instead. I must
> admit that not having access to a macOS computer (I needed the help of a
> friend to test) makes everything a bit harder. But it isn’t impossible.
>
> BTW, I use "preset=range:cyrillic" instead of "range=cyrillic", since it
> includes cyrillic, cyrillicextendeda, cyrillicextendedb and
> cyrillicsupplement.
>
> I hope the sample above helps now,
>
> Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] How do I add cyrillic to my typescript/document?
On 5/4/20 12:36 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
> [...]
> It could help if I would understand ConTeXt better. The link gives me a
> grammar for a command, but doesn’t tell me what to put in.
>
> I tried many, many different permutations, I tried everything I could
> find on ConTeXtgarden (but then, that also finds me stuff from 15 years
> ago that isn’t valid anymore), but no luck so far.
Sorry for not explaining it better, Gerben.
Let me know if the following sample works for you:
\setuplanguage[en][patterns={en, ru}]
\definefallbackfamily
[abc]
[ss]
[Helvetica]
[preset=range:cyrillic,
%~ tf=style:light,
%~ it=style:lightoblique,
%~ bf=style:regular,
%~ bi=style:oblique,
force=yes,
rscale=0.9]
\definefontfamily [abc] [ss] [Optima]
\setupbodyfont[abc]
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
\doloopoverlist{\tf, \it, \bf, \bi}{
\recursestring\hyphenatedword{Николаевич typography}\par}
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
It should hyphenate both English and Russian in all four fonts (regular,
italic, bold and bold italic).
> Which is weird because Optima.ttc is in the same directory and it is found.
Aren’t Optima.ttc and Helvetica.ttc installed as typefaces on your macOS?
This is relevant, since ConTeXt may have problems finding them when not
installed on the system (especially with the system I use).
If the sample above doesn’t work, please provide the output of "locate
Helvetica.ttc".
> But anyway, even if I could understand it, I can’t find anything useful
> (that is: something that works or makes me try something that works)
> about font fallbacks. Spending hours of looking (losing a lot of sleep)
> and then having to bother the list again is very frustrating. Why isn’t
> this straightforward? I am sorry, everybody is very helpful, but the
> frustration mounts again.
If the sample above works, I think font management for your documents
may be easier to handle (or at least, the font code will be simpler).
Don’t loose sleep when code is not working, ask here instead. I must
admit that not having access to a macOS computer (I needed the help of a
friend to test) makes everything a bit harder. But it isn’t impossible.
BTW, I use "preset=range:cyrillic" instead of "range=cyrillic", since it
includes cyrillic, cyrillicextendeda, cyrillicextendedb and
cyrillicsupplement.
I hope the sample above helps now,
Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] How do I add cyrillic to my typescript/document?
Hello,
** Gerben Wierda [2020-05-04 00:36:11 +0200]:
> On 3 May 2020, at 15:55, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>>
>> On 5/3/20 2:56 PM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
>>> ConTeXtgarden had theanswer when I searched again:
>>>
>>> \setupbodyfont[dejavu]
>>> \mainlanguage[russian]
>>
>> Hi Gerben,
>>
>> I’m afraid they may be different issues: setting a language and getting
>> the glyphs required for that language.
>>
>> See the following sample:
>>
>>\setupbodyfont[dejavu]
>>\mainlanguage[russian]
>>\starttext
>>\hyphenatedword{%
>>Николаевич
>>typography
>>\en typography}
>>\stoptext
>>
>> Since you set the main language to Russian in the document, you would
>> have to mark all English texts properly. I doubt this may be what you
>> intend.
>>
>> The way to get a fallback font would be (depending on which approach you
>> use) \definefontfallback or \definefallbackfamily.
>>
>> A sample of the second option would read:
>>
>> \definefallbackfamily
>>[mainface]
>>[ss]
>>[FreeSans]
>>[preset=range:cyrillic,
>> force=yes]
>>
>> In any case,
>> http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/qrcs/setup-en.pdf#search=%22definefontfallback%22
>> explains the syntax of the first option (sorry, but I only use the
>> \definefontfamily approach).
>>
>> Just in case it helps,
> Thank you.
> It could help if I would understand ConTeXt better. The link gives me a
> grammar for a command, but doesn’t tell me what to put in.
Prepare a (small) example, for example.
> I tried many, many different permutations, I tried everything I could find
> on ConTeXtgarden (but then, that also finds me stuff from 15 years ago that
> isn’t valid anymore), but no luck so far.
> The last I tried was
> \starttypescript [sans] [optima]
>\setups[font:fallback:sans]
>\definefontsynonym [Sans] [file:Optima.ttc(Optima Regular)]
> [features=default]
>\definefontsynonym [SansBold] [file:Optima.ttc(Optima Bold)]
> [features=default]
>\definefontsynonym [SansItalic] [file:Optima.ttc(Optima Italic)]
> [features=default]
>\definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [file:Optima.ttc(Optima Bold Italic)]
> [features=default]
> \stoptypescript
> \definetypeface [optima] [ss] [sans] [optima] [default]
> \definetypeface [optima] [rm] [serif] [optima] [default]
> \definetypeface [optima] [tt] [mono] [modern] [default]
> \definetypeface [optima] [mm] [math] [pagella] [default]
> \definefallbackfamily
> [optima]
> [ss]
> [file:Helvetica.ttc]
> [preset=range:cyrillic,
> force=yes]
> \setupbodyfont [optima]
> The error is:
> fonts > typescripts > unknown library 'optima'
> open source > level 3, order 6, name
> '/usr/local/context-osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/fonts/mkiv/type-imp-texgyre.mkiv'
> close source> level 3, order 6, name
> '/usr/local/context-osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/fonts/mkiv/type-imp-texgyre.mkiv'
> selectfont > the requested fallback font 'file:Helvetica.ttc' for
> typeface 'optima' style 'ss' was ignored because no files where found.
> Which is weird because Optima.ttc is in the same directory and it is found.
Note that log says about "Helvetica.ttc" not "Optima.ttc". Why you mention it
is it a typo and you mean "Helvetica.ttc"? I'm not sure how context searches
for fonts, but when I plainly use "standard" locations for fonts, for example
OSFONTDIR variable, it could find and use requested font.
> I have a lot o difficulty understanding any of the documentation (as far as
> it is available for the subjects and commands I am lookng for).
> For instance: what is the difference between the “Syntax (autogenerated)”
> and “Syntax entries on ConTeXtgarden? If they differ which one should I
> take? If you tell me “preset=range:cyrillic and what I find says
> "range=cyrillic", which one do I use ( in this case, changing did not help).
> There are just too many things that can be different for tial and error to
> be effective.
> But anyway, even if I could understand it, I can’t find anything useful
> (that is: something that works or makes me try something that works) about
> font fallbacks. Spending hours of looking (losing a lot of sleep) and then
> having to bother the list again is very frustrating. Why isn’t this
> straightforward? I am sorry, everybody is very helpful, but the frustration
> mounts again.
I couldn't help here because I understand better the LaTeX font mechanis
Re: [NTG-context] How do I add cyrillic to my typescript/document?
On 3 May 2020, at 15:55, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>
> On 5/3/20 2:56 PM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
>> ConTeXtgarden had theanswer when I searched again:
>>
>> \setupbodyfont[dejavu]
>> \mainlanguage[russian]
>
> Hi Gerben,
>
> I’m afraid they may be different issues: setting a language and getting
> the glyphs required for that language.
>
> See the following sample:
>
>\setupbodyfont[dejavu]
> \mainlanguage[russian]
>\starttext
>\hyphenatedword{%
>Николаевич
>typography
>\en typography}
>\stoptext
>
> Since you set the main language to Russian in the document, you would
> have to mark all English texts properly. I doubt this may be what you
> intend.
>
> The way to get a fallback font would be (depending on which approach you
> use) \definefontfallback or \definefallbackfamily.
>
> A sample of the second option would read:
>
> \definefallbackfamily
>[mainface]
>[ss]
>[FreeSans]
>[preset=range:cyrillic,
> force=yes]
>
> In any case,
> http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/qrcs/setup-en.pdf#search=%22definefontfallback%22
> explains the syntax of the first option (sorry, but I only use the
> \definefontfamily approach).
>
> Just in case it helps,
Thank you.
It could help if I would understand ConTeXt better. The link gives me a grammar
for a command, but doesn’t tell me what to put in.
I tried many, many different permutations, I tried everything I could find on
ConTeXtgarden (but then, that also finds me stuff from 15 years ago that isn’t
valid anymore), but no luck so far.
The last I tried was
\starttypescript [sans] [optima]
\setups[font:fallback:sans]
\definefontsynonym [Sans] [file:Optima.ttc(Optima Regular)]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [SansBold] [file:Optima.ttc(Optima Bold)]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [SansItalic] [file:Optima.ttc(Optima Italic)]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [file:Optima.ttc(Optima Bold Italic)]
[features=default]
\stoptypescript
\definetypeface [optima] [ss] [sans] [optima] [default]
\definetypeface [optima] [rm] [serif] [optima] [default]
\definetypeface [optima] [tt] [mono] [modern] [default]
\definetypeface [optima] [mm] [math] [pagella] [default]
\definefallbackfamily
[optima]
[ss]
[file:Helvetica.ttc]
[preset=range:cyrillic,
force=yes]
\setupbodyfont [optima]
The error is:
fonts > typescripts > unknown library 'optima'
open source > level 3, order 6, name
'/usr/local/context-osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/fonts/mkiv/type-imp-texgyre.mkiv'
close source> level 3, order 6, name
'/usr/local/context-osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/fonts/mkiv/type-imp-texgyre.mkiv'
selectfont > the requested fallback font 'file:Helvetica.ttc' for typeface
'optima' style 'ss' was ignored because no files where found.
Which is weird because Optima.ttc is in the same directory and it is found.
I have a lot o difficulty understanding any of the documentation (as far as it
is available for the subjects and commands I am lookng for).
For instance: what is the difference between the “Syntax (autogenerated)” and
“Syntax entries on ConTeXtgarden? If they differ which one should I take? If
you tell me “preset=range:cyrillic and what I find says "range=cyrillic", which
one do I use ( in this case, changing did not help). There are just too many
things that can be different for tial and error to be effective.
But anyway, even if I could understand it, I can’t find anything useful (that
is: something that works or makes me try something that works) about font
fallbacks. Spending hours of looking (losing a lot of sleep) and then having to
bother the list again is very frustrating. Why isn’t this straightforward? I am
sorry, everybody is very helpful, but the frustration mounts again.
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Re: [NTG-context] How do I add cyrillic to my typescript/document?
On 5/3/20 2:56 PM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
> ConTeXtgarden had theanswer when I searched again:
>
> \setupbodyfont[dejavu]
> \mainlanguage[russian]
Hi Gerben,
I’m afraid they may be different issues: setting a language and getting
the glyphs required for that language.
See the following sample:
\setupbodyfont[dejavu]
\mainlanguage[russian]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{%
Николаевич
typography
\en typography}
\stoptext
Since you set the main language to Russian in the document, you would
have to mark all English texts properly. I doubt this may be what you
intend.
The way to get a fallback font would be (depending on which approach you
use) \definefontfallback or \definefallbackfamily.
A sample of the second option would read:
\definefallbackfamily
[mainface]
[ss]
[FreeSans]
[preset=range:cyrillic,
force=yes]
In any case,
http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/qrcs/setup-en.pdf#search=%22definefontfallback%22
explains the syntax of the first option (sorry, but I only use the
\definefontfamily approach).
Just in case it helps,
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Re: [NTG-context] \registerhyphenationexception not working
On 3/7/20 7:52 PM, Jano Kula wrote:
> Hello Hans,
>
> \registerhyphenationexception as described in latest languages-mkiv.pdf
> and i-context.pdf does nothing, contrary to \startexceptions, which
> behaves as expected. Here is the minimal example:
Hi Jano,
this shows the right hyphenation:
\setuplanguage[cs][righthyphenmin=2]
\mainlanguage[cs]
\setuphyphenation[method=traditional]
\registerhyphenationexception[cs][cíl-em]%
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1ex]
\hyphenatedword{cílem}
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
The value for righthyphenmin in Czech is 3. Unless you set it up to 2,
it won’t work.
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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation LuaTeX
On 17.01.20 12:55, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
I suspect "patterns" understands only one file, as far as I understood the
source, but don’t trust me on this.
When you mark your Greek passages with {\agr ἡ Ἑλληνικὴ γλῶσσα} (or
\language[agr] instead of \agr), you should get the right pattern without that
setup.
No, since the patterns for Spanish and Greek are utf8, they can
co-exist, there's no need to mark the Greek passages.
The module simplefonts is obsolete since 2013.
Yes, that's right.
I get both Spanish and Greek hyphenation in a test file:
\mainlanguage[es]
\setuplanguage[es][patterns={es,agr}]
\setupbodyfont[gentium,11pt]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{ἄνθρωπος selección}
\stoptext
If this fails for OP, he will have to produce a real example, taking out
irrelevant parts and telling us which version he uses. In the original
example, there was only "..." which of course doesn't hyphenate.
Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] Overfull hbox issues: different font,
On 9/3/19 11:17 PM, Julian G wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> I apologize if this has been brought up already (or if my mistake is
> painfully obvious), but I'm having a slight issue with overfull
> hboxes. I think it is connected to hyphenation and/or using different
> fonts.
Hi Julian,
the bigger font size is, the higher probability to get issues with
hyphenation.
It is also relevant to know how the problematic words are hyphenated in
English and German:
\startbuffer[text]
{\em\currentlanguage}\\
\hyphenatedword{gemessene Namens-konflikte Namenskonflikte}\\
\setbreakpoints[compound]
\hyphenatedword{gemessene Namens-konflikte Namenskonflikte}
\stopbuffer
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=3em]
\getbuffer[text]\\
\language[de]
\getbuffer[text]
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] \showhyphens
Hi Pablo,
thank you, that's it...
I will add it to the wiki, it is not mentioned there...
Best,
Tomáš
Tue, Dec 18, 2018 ve 05:21:44PM +0100 Pablo Rodriguez napsal(a):
# On 12/18/18 12:01 PM, Tomas Hala wrote:
# > Hi all,
# >
# > I would like to detect hyphen points in a paragraph.
# > I hoped that the plain \showhyphens{text} can do it
# > but it displays nothing. Is this plain macro available yet,
# > or is it covered by other command?
#
# Hi Tomáš,
#
# \hyphenatedword is the command that you need.
#
# I hope it helps,
#
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Re: [NTG-context] \showhyphens
On 12/18/18 12:01 PM, Tomas Hala wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to detect hyphen points in a paragraph.
> I hoped that the plain \showhyphens{text} can do it
> but it displays nothing. Is this plain macro available yet,
> or is it covered by other command?
Hi Tomáš,
\hyphenatedword is the command that you need.
I hope it helps,
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Re: [NTG-context] German introduction to context
Hi Axel,
how about creating a repository at GitLab with the contents you provide?
This would make contributions easier.
Just in case it helps,
Pablo
PS: ConTeXt can deal with XML directly, so I wonder whether it makes
sense to convert from pandoc to ConTeXt.
PS²: hyphenation is wrong in US English only.
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{Trennalgorithmus}
\de\hyphenatedword{Trennalgorithmus}
\deo\hyphenatedword{Trennalgorithmus}
\stoptext
On 10/21/18 1:22 PM, Axel Kielhorn wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I’m looking for an introduction in german.
> What I need is:
> - Structure chapter/section …
> - Emphasis bold/italic
> - lists itemize
> - floats
> - TABLE
> - index
> - references
> - math (with units)
> - chemistry (only basic stuff)
>
> Several years ago I started to prepare a talk for a DANTE meeting, trying to
> show how to generate epub from context.
> Since I got a new job in early 2015 I didn’t have time to finish the talk or
> go to the meeting.
> I’ll use the enclosed text as a starting point, unless someone already has a
> usable manual.
>
> Note: Dominik Wagenführ was an editor of the now defunct „Freies Magazin“ and
> he supplied a LaTeX document of examples that needed to be converted into
> ePub. Thus the enclosed document is mainly concerned about epub.
>
> Greetings Axel
>
> PS: Comments are welcome.
>
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[NTG-context] wrong hyphenation in ancient Greek?
Dear list,
I have the following sample:
\mainlanguage[agr]
\setupbodyfont[dejavu]
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=2em]
\hyphenatedword{πρᾶγμα πράγματος}
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
that ouputs:
πρᾶ-γμα πρά-γμα-τος
As far as I know, two consonants in ancient Greek aren’t hyphenated,
when they may begin a word.
Γν may be the beginning of word in Greek (such as γνῶσις), but even LSJ
has no word that begins with γμ.
Am I missing something or should this be improved in the hyphenation
patterns?
Many thanks for your help,
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Re: [NTG-context] question about German hyphenation
Am Sun, 26 Aug 2018 17:26:45 +0200 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez:
> Dear list,
>
> I have the following sample:
>
> \starttext
> \de\hyphenatedword{Rindfleisch}
> \de\hyphenatedword{Rindfleischetikettierung}
> \stoptext
>
> I’m not a native speaker, but I think that "Rindfleisch-etikettierung"
> is right in German. (And I think that "Rindflei-schetikettierung" is wrong.)
>
Yes it is wrong. Correct hyphenation points are
Rind-fleisch-e-ti-ket-tie-rung
> Are the hyphenation patterns wrong in the cases above, or am I missing
> something?
That's difficult to do right with patterns, in latex it is isn't
correct either. The problem is that two words have been combined.
(Rindfleisch and Etikettierung).
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[NTG-context] question about German hyphenation
Dear list,
I have the following sample:
\starttext
\de\hyphenatedword{Rindfleisch}
\de\hyphenatedword{Rindfleischetikettierung}
\stoptext
I’m not a native speaker, but I think that "Rindfleisch-etikettierung"
is right in German. (And I think that "Rindflei-schetikettierung" is wrong.)
Are the hyphenation patterns wrong in the cases above, or am I missing
something?
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Re: [NTG-context] loading hyphenation patterns (again)
On 7/10/2018 5:20 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
Dear list,
sorry for bothering with this again:
\setuplanguage[agr][patterns={agr, en}]
\setuplanguage[en][patterns={en, agr}]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{judgmental}
\agr\hyphenatedword{judgmental}
\stoptext
I wonder why English cannot have extra hyphenation patterns, while
ancient Greek allows them.
Have I hit a bug or am I missing something?
Sorry for insisting, but I get weird results with column balancing
(registers).
there are no patterns 'en', just 'us' and 'uk'
\enabletrackers[language*]
\setuplanguage[en] [patterns={us,agr}]
\setuplanguage[agr][patterns={us,agr}]
\setuplanguage[nl] [patterns={nl,agr}]
\setuplanguage[de] [patterns={de,agr}]
\starttext
\en \hyphenatedword{judgmental}
\agr \hyphenatedword{judgmental}
\nl \hyphenatedword{judgmental}
\de \hyphenatedword{judgmental}
\usemodule[languages-hyphenation]
\startcomparepatterns[en,nl,de]
judgmental
\stopcomparepatterns
\stoptext
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[NTG-context] loading hyphenation patterns (again)
Dear list,
sorry for bothering with this again:
\setuplanguage[agr][patterns={agr, en}]
\setuplanguage[en][patterns={en, agr}]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{judgmental}
\agr\hyphenatedword{judgmental}
\stoptext
I wonder why English cannot have extra hyphenation patterns, while
ancient Greek allows them.
Have I hit a bug or am I missing something?
Sorry for insisting, but I get weird results with column balancing
(registers).
Many thanks for your help,
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[NTG-context] issue with hyphenation patterns
Dear list,
I have the following sample:
\setuplanguage[agr][patterns={agr, en}]
\setuplanguage[en][patterns={en, agr}]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{judgmental}
\agr \hyphenatedword{judgmental}
\stoptext
I wonder why \en hyphenates the word and \agr doesn’t.
I mean, both languages have the same patterns loaded.
Using \de or \es, hyphenation works fine in both cases:
\setuplanguage[agr][patterns={agr, deo}]
\setuplanguage[deo][patterns={de, agr}]
\mainlanguage[de]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{Klugheit}
\agr \hyphenatedword{Klugheit}
\stoptext
\setuplanguage[agr][patterns={agr, deo}]
\setuplanguage[es][patterns={es, agr}]
\mainlanguage[es]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{experimentado}
\agr \hyphenatedword{experimentado}
\stoptext
If this isn’t a bug, what am I missing?
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[NTG-context] issue with hyphenation
Dear list,
I have the following sample:
% \setuplanguage[agr][patterns={agr, en}]
% \mainlanguage[agr]
\setuplanguage[en][patterns={en, agr}]
\mainlanguage[en]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{judgmental}
\stoptext
I get hyphenation if I use English as main language, but not when I use
ancient Greek (although it load both patterns).
Does anyone know what I may be missing?
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[NTG-context] issue with \hyphenatedword
Dear list,
I have the following sample:
\setuppapersize[A9]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{office}
office
\hsize\zeropoint
office
\hyphenatedword{office}
\stoptext
Compiling with latest beta (2018.01.19 13:42), hyphen isn’t used in
\hyphenated word and the character after ffi is removed.
Could anyone confirm the issue?
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Re: [NTG-context] \hyphenation problem
On 10/22/2017 10:16 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
> Thank you, Pablo, for the workaround.
>
> As to your question, it originally came about because of the order in
> which environment files were included in a document (one general to many
> documents, one specific to a new document). Between the times I created
> them, I switched from \hyphenation to \startexceptions.
>
> In general, however, it seems that \startexceptions provides
> fine-grained control by language, whilst \hyphenation appears to be
> broad-stroke across all languages, and so it might make sense to use
> both (or not) depending on how you want to hyphenate, for example, trade
> names or other proper nouns in a multi-language work.
Hi Rik,
see this sample:
{\es \hyphenation{Schwarz-en-egger}}
{\en \hyphenation{epi-graphs Mount-weazels Mount-weazel}}
\hyphenation{Schwarz-en-egger}
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
\hyphenatedword{Schwarzenegger} \\
{\es\hyphenatedword{Schwarzenegger}} \\
\hyphenatedword{Mountweazel} \\
\hyphenatedword{Mountweazels} \\
\hyphenatedword{epigraph} \\
\hyphenatedword{epigraphs}
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
I have just realized that it isn’t a question of \startexceptions, it is
just \hyphenation itself.
BTW, either I totally missing the issue or \hyphenation doesn’t work for
all languages, it only works for US English (the default language).
That being said, I wonder whether it makes sense to define two instances
of hyphenation exceptions.
> But this does have me wondering if I am cancelling hyphenation overrides
> made in the ConTeXt base code by way of \hyphenation when I use
> \startexceptions. Are there any such overrides standard? (I could not
> see any in a quick search of the source, but they may not be obvious to
> me if they exist.)
I used \registerhyphenationexceptions and I didn’t get the impression it
was so tricky. But this was years ago and I don’t remember which file it
was.
Sorry for not giving more help,
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[NTG-context] \hyphenation problem
Or am I doing something wrong?
With the following, Schwarzenegger is not hyphenated according to the
instruction. I get:
\mainlanguage[en]
\hyphenation{Schwarz-en-egger}
\startexceptions[en]
epi-graphs
Mount-weazels
Mount-weazel
\stopexceptions
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{Schwarzenegger} \\
\hyphenatedword{Mountweazel} \\
\hyphenatedword{Mountweazels} \\
\hyphenatedword{epigraph} \\
\hyphenatedword{epigraphs}
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Re: [NTG-context] \language[is] not working
Thanks! I kept the default, because Icelandic conventions for quotes and
spacing are like in German. Looks like that setting right/lefthyphenmin
explicitely will work.
Please excuse the noise!
Florian.
>
>
>
>> Florian Grammel <mailto:florian.gram...@gmail.com> 13. April 2017 um 19:53
>> At first sight this seemed to work fine: the scheme is switched and the
>> resulting hyphenations are mostly correct. But the patterns are in a way not
>> complete.
>>
>> \hyphenatedword with context ver: 2017.04.08 12:09 MKIV beta fmt: 2017.4.9
>> (or TL16’s) gives:
>>
>> Önundur hét maður. Hann var Ófeigs-son burlu-fóts Ívars-sonar beytils.
>> „Önundur“ var bróðir Guð-bjargar, móður Guð-brands kúlu, föður Ástu,
>> móður Ólafs kon-ungs hins helga. Önundur var upp-lenskur að móð-urætt en
>> föð-urkyn hans var mest um Roga-land og Hörða- land.
>>
>> while polyglossia/babel on (xe)latex find most of the orthographically
>> possible ones:
>>
>> Ön-und-ur hét mað-ur. Hann var Ófeigs-son burlu-fóts Ívars-son-ar beytils.
>> Ön-und-ur var bróð-ir Guð-bjarg-ar, móð-ur Guð-brands kúlu, föð-ur Ástu,
>> móð-ur Ól-afs kon-ungs hins helga. Ön-und-ur var upp-lensk-ur að móð-urætt
>> en föð-urkyn hans var mest um Roga-land og Hörða-land.
>>
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
> Remove the default key from \installlanguage.
>
> begin example
> \installlanguage
> [is]
> [patterns=is]
>
> \starttext
>
> \hyphenatedword{Önundur hét maður. Hann var Ófeigsson burlufóts Ívarssonar
> beytils. Önundur var bróðir Guðbjargar, móður Guðbrands kúlu, föður Ástu,
> móður Ólafs konungs hins helga. Önundur var upplenskur að móðurætt en
> föðurkyn hans var mest um Rogaland og Hörðaland.}
>
> \blank \language[is]
>
> \hyphenatedword{Önundur hét maður. Hann var Ófeigsson burlufóts Ívarssonar
> beytils. Önundur var bróðir Guðbjargar, móður Guðbrands kúlu, föður Ástu,
> móður Ólafs konungs hins helga. Önundur var upplenskur að móðurætt en
> föðurkyn hans var mest um Rogaland og Hörðaland.}
>
> \stoptext
> end example
>
> Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] \language[is] not working
Florian Grammel <mailto:florian.gram...@gmail.com>
13. April 2017 um 19:53
At first sight this seemed to work fine: the scheme is switched and
the resulting hyphenations are mostly correct. But the patterns are in
a way not complete.
\hyphenatedword with context ver: 2017.04.08 12:09 MKIV beta fmt:
2017.4.9 (or TL16’s) gives:
Önundur hét maður. Hann var Ófeigs-son burlu-fóts Ívars-sonar
beytils. „Önundur“ var bróðir Guð-bjargar, móður Guð-brands kúlu,
föður Ástu, móður Ólafs kon-ungs hins helga. Önundur var
upp-lenskur að móð-urætt en föð-urkyn hans var mest um Roga-land og
Hörða- land.
while polyglossia/babel on (xe)latex find most of the orthographically
possible ones:
Ön-und-ur hét mað-ur. Hann var Ófeigs-son burlu-fóts Ívars-son-ar
beytils. Ön-und-ur var bróð-ir Guð-bjarg-ar, móð-ur Guð-brands kúlu,
föð-ur Ástu, móð-ur Ól-afs kon-ungs hins helga. Ön-und-ur var
upp-lensk-ur að móð-urætt en föð-urkyn hans var mest um Roga-land og
Hörða-land.
Any ideas?
Remove the default key from \installlanguage.
begin example
\installlanguage
[is]
[patterns=is]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{Önundur hét maður. Hann var Ófeigsson burlufóts
Ívarssonar beytils. Önundur var bróðir Guðbjargar, móður Guðbrands kúlu,
föður Ástu, móður Ólafs konungs hins helga. Önundur var upplenskur að
móðurætt en föðurkyn hans var mest um Rogaland og Hörðaland.}
\blank \language[is]
\hyphenatedword{Önundur hét maður. Hann var Ófeigsson burlufóts
Ívarssonar beytils. Önundur var bróðir Guðbjargar, móður Guðbrands kúlu,
föður Ástu, móður Ólafs konungs hins helga. Önundur var upplenskur að
móðurætt en föðurkyn hans var mest um Rogaland og Hörðaland.}
\stoptext
end example
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Re: [NTG-context] \language[is] not working
At first sight this seemed to work fine: the scheme is switched and the resulting hyphenations are mostly correct. But the patterns are in a way not complete. \hyphenatedword with context ver: 2017.04.08 12:09 MKIV beta fmt: 2017.4.9 (or TL16’s) gives: Önundur hét maður. Hann var Ófeigs-son burlu-fóts Ívars-sonar beytils. „Önundur“ var bróðir Guð-bjargar, móður Guð-brands kúlu, föður Ástu, móður Ólafs kon-ungs hins helga. Önundur var upp-lenskur að móð-urætt en föð-urkyn hans var mest um Roga-land og Hörða- land. while polyglossia/babel on (xe)latex find most of the orthographically possible ones: Ön-und-ur hét mað-ur. Hann var Ófeigs-son burlu-fóts Ívars-son-ar beytils. Ön-und-ur var bróð-ir Guð-bjarg-ar, móð-ur Guð-brands kúlu, föð-ur Ástu, móð-ur Ól-afs kon-ungs hins helga. Ön-und-ur var upp-lensk-ur að móð-urætt en föð-urkyn hans var mest um Roga-land og Hörða-land. Any ideas? Best regards, Florian > Den 30. mar. 2017 kl. 15.58 skrev Hans Hagen <pra...@wxs.nl>: > > On 3/30/2017 3:13 PM, Florian Grammel wrote: >> Adapting the example >> from http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/language to use luatex (which >> I’ll need). But I get the same result when using the original mkii. > > Islandic is not defined as language > > \installlanguage > [is] > [default=en, > patterns=is] > > look into lang-def.mkiv for what more is needed (and in lang-txt.lua) > > We can of course add that. > > Hans > >> Many thanks! >> Florian. >> >> >> \setuppapersize[A6, landscape] >> >> \definefontfamily [mainface] [rm] [Palatino Linotype] >> \setupbodyfont[mainface,10pt] >> >> \setupwhitespace[big] % blank line between paragraphs >> >> \version[temporary]% show overful hboxes >> >> \startcolumns[n=4, distance=3em] >> (English hyphenation) >> >> Önundur hét maður. Hann var Ófeigsson burlufóts Ívarssonar beytils. >> Önundur var bróðir Guðbjargar, móður Guðbrands kúlu, föður Ástu, móður >> Ólafs konungs hins helga. Önundur var upplenskur að móðurætt en föðurkyn >> hans var mest um Rogaland og Hörðaland. >> >> \currentdate >> >> \column >> >> \language[is] % or [icelandic] >> (Icelandic hyphenation) >> >> Önundur hét maður. Hann var Ófeigsson burlufóts Ívarssonar beytils. >> Önundur var bróðir Guðbjargar, móður Guðbrands kúlu, föður Ástu, móður >> Ólafs konungs hins helga. Önundur var upplenskur að móðurætt en föðurkyn >> hans var mest um Rogaland og Hörðaland. >> >> \currentdate >> >> >> \stopcolumns >> >> \end >> >> Florian Grammel Copenhagen, Denmark ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Changes in hyphenations with 2016-10-12 beta
Great, thanks a lot Hans. Not a big issue (some glues are bit more stretched
than before here and there, but not to the point to have underfulls), but
curious to understand.
Best regards
Joseph
De : Hans Hagen
Envoyé le :jeudi 13 octobre 2016 20:51
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Objet :Re: [NTG-context] Changes in hyphenations with 2016-10-12 beta
On 10/13/2016 7:37 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> On 10/13/2016 11:56 AM, josephcan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Apparently this difference comes from this change in font-ots.lua near
>> line 603. If I edit the file to put back the discretionary_code
>> argument, the output is same with new beta.
>
> Hi Joseph,
>
> French hyphenation is unknown to me, but I have a different approach.
When messing with disc nodes one can argue if some of then need to
become discretionary nodes or keep their other type. This change keeps
it more original (of course one can argue about it) which has some
consequence for the number of passes that tex makes (pass without
hyphenation, pass with hyphenation, pass with hyphenation and stretch)
i plan to makes things a bit more configureable in the alternative
hyphenator
one can also argue that the first pass can be omitted (i.e. always go
for the best solution)
>> MWE (well as close to MWE I could write, requires EBGaramond unfortunately).
>>
>> \language[fr]
>
> The document main language is invoked in ConTeXt with:
>
> \mainlanguage[fr]
>
>> \setupalign[hanging, lesshyphenation, hz]
>
> I suspect that if you ask for less hyphenation, you get it.
>
> See my sample:
>
> \mainlanguage[fr]
> \setupalign[lesshyphenation]
> \starttext
> \hyphenatedword{T advint qu'il y eut famine au pays/ oultre la
> premiere famine/ qui fut au temps de Abraham. Et Izahak s'en alla
> vers Abimelech Roy des Philisthins en Gerar}
> \stoptext
>
> \hyphenatedword is your friend here. I get different results if I
> comment the second line (to get normal hyphenation).
>
> I wonder whether this might be causing the issue you’re experiencing.
>
> Just in case it helps,
>
>
> Pablo
>
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Re: [NTG-context] Changes in hyphenations with 2016-10-12 beta
On 10/13/2016 7:37 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
On 10/13/2016 11:56 AM, josephcan...@gmail.com wrote:
Apparently this difference comes from this change in font-ots.lua near
line 603. If I edit the file to put back the discretionary_code
argument, the output is same with new beta.
Hi Joseph,
French hyphenation is unknown to me, but I have a different approach.
When messing with disc nodes one can argue if some of then need to
become discretionary nodes or keep their other type. This change keeps
it more original (of course one can argue about it) which has some
consequence for the number of passes that tex makes (pass without
hyphenation, pass with hyphenation, pass with hyphenation and stretch)
i plan to makes things a bit more configureable in the alternative
hyphenator
one can also argue that the first pass can be omitted (i.e. always go
for the best solution)
MWE (well as close to MWE I could write, requires EBGaramond unfortunately).
\language[fr]
The document main language is invoked in ConTeXt with:
\mainlanguage[fr]
\setupalign[hanging, lesshyphenation, hz]
I suspect that if you ask for less hyphenation, you get it.
See my sample:
\mainlanguage[fr]
\setupalign[lesshyphenation]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{T advint qu'il y eut famine au pays/ oultre la
premiere famine/ qui fut au temps de Abraham. Et Izahak s'en alla
vers Abimelech Roy des Philisthins en Gerar}
\stoptext
\hyphenatedword is your friend here. I get different results if I
comment the second line (to get normal hyphenation).
I wonder whether this might be causing the issue you’re experiencing.
Just in case it helps,
Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] Changes in hyphenations with 2016-10-12 beta
On 10/13/2016 11:56 AM, josephcan...@gmail.com wrote:
> Apparently this difference comes from this change in font-ots.lua near
> line 603. If I edit the file to put back the discretionary_code
> argument, the output is same with new beta.
Hi Joseph,
French hyphenation is unknown to me, but I have a different approach.
> MWE (well as close to MWE I could write, requires EBGaramond unfortunately).
>
> \language[fr]
The document main language is invoked in ConTeXt with:
\mainlanguage[fr]
> \setupalign[hanging, lesshyphenation, hz]
I suspect that if you ask for less hyphenation, you get it.
See my sample:
\mainlanguage[fr]
\setupalign[lesshyphenation]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{T advint qu'il y eut famine au pays/ oultre la
premiere famine/ qui fut au temps de Abraham. Et Izahak s'en alla
vers Abimelech Roy des Philisthins en Gerar}
\stoptext
\hyphenatedword is your friend here. I get different results if I
comment the second line (to get normal hyphenation).
I wonder whether this might be causing the issue you’re experiencing.
Just in case it helps,
Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] Wrong hyphenation when using patterns={fr,agr}
Dears Joseph, Hans, Wolfgang, Arthur (and others),
As a French user of ConTeXt (current version: 2016.07.18 16:46,
generally on Windows 10, time to time on Ubuntu), I am currently working
on a book in French, with Greek quotations, and some rare occurences in
other non-european languages. Before version: 2016.07.18, there were
conflicts in hyphenations (with '\setuplanguage[fr][patterns={fr,agr}]'
command) that Hans has fixed. But some disgraceful double dots [:] used
to stay at the beginning of lines. With the
'\setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]' command, all end that end
well. I found no more hyphenation issues, nor punctuation ones, even
within text defined by \definefallbackfamily setup.
\setuplanguage[fr][patterns={fr,agr}]
\mainlanguage[fr]
\setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]
Le 09/08/2016 à 23:21, josephcan...@gmail.com a écrit :
Dear all,
Combining patterns for french and ancien greek languages, I noticed
there are wrong hyphenations at quote char as shown in following MWE.
Is this expected behavior by using the patterns= key in such a way ?
Using ConTeXt ver: 2016.08.08 21:28 MKIV beta fmt: 2016.8.9 int:
english/English
\setuplanguage[fr][patterns={fr, agr}]
\mainlanguage[fr]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{l'homme}
\stoptext
-
The above prints : l’-homme
If so, what is the alternative to specify hyphenation in a text
containing both french and ancient greek (the minority) words.
Thanks a lot for advising,
Best regards
Joseph Canedo
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Re: [NTG-context] Wrong hyphenation when using patterns={fr,agr}
On 8/9/2016 11:21 PM, josephcan...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear all,
Combining patterns for french and ancien greek languages, I noticed
there are wrong hyphenations at quote char as shown in following MWE.
Is this expected behavior by using the patterns= key in such a way ?
I see:
languages > initialization > language 'fr', patterns 'agr,fr',
discarding conflict (0-9)'(0-9)
so, the ' is used differently between the languages
Using ConTeXt ver: 2016.08.08 21:28 MKIV beta fmt: 2016.8.9 int:
english/English
\setuplanguage[fr][patterns={fr, agr}]
\mainlanguage[fr]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{l'homme}
\stoptext
-
The above prints : l’-homme
If so, what is the alternative to specify hyphenation in a text
containing both french and ancient greek (the minority) words.
Thanks a lot for advising,
Best regards
Joseph Canedo
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[NTG-context] Wrong hyphenation when using patterns={fr,agr}
Dear all,
Combining patterns for french and ancien greek languages, I noticed there are
wrong hyphenations at quote char as shown in following MWE.
Is this expected behavior by using the patterns= key in such a way ?
Using ConTeXt ver: 2016.08.08 21:28 MKIV beta fmt: 2016.8.9 int:
english/English
\setuplanguage[fr][patterns={fr, agr}]
\mainlanguage[fr]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{l'homme}
\stoptext
-
The above prints : l’-homme
If so, what is the alternative to specify hyphenation in a text containing both
french and ancient greek (the minority) words.
Thanks a lot for advising,
Best regards
Joseph Canedo
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Re: [NTG-context] luatex-0.98.0 for linux?
On 7 August 2016 at 10:44, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> Dear ConTeXt maintainers,
>
> would it be possible that ConTeXt Standalone for the linux platform had
> the latest LuaTeX binaries?
>
> Besides the update, I think it is important to confirm whether English
> hyphenation is fixed in the latest binary.
>
> The following sample:
>
> \starttext
> \hyphenatedword{schematic}
> \stoptext
>
> outputs "sc-he-matic" with luatex-0.95.0.
>
> Many thanks for your help,
I can probably come up with link to an up-to-date binary (I'm in the
process of setting up automatic builds on regular basis; just
side-tracked by my job and a few other hobbies).
But it would be wise to push Luigi to make an official release or at
least to backport the fix.
Mojca
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[NTG-context] luatex-0.98.0 for linux?
Dear ConTeXt maintainers,
would it be possible that ConTeXt Standalone for the linux platform had
the latest LuaTeX binaries?
Besides the update, I think it is important to confirm whether English
hyphenation is fixed in the latest binary.
The following sample:
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{schematic}
\stoptext
outputs "sc-he-matic" with luatex-0.95.0.
Many thanks for your help,
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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation errors (again or still) in recent mkiv
On 8/1/2016 3:32 PM, Herbert Voss wrote:
Am 01.08.2016 um 09:45 schrieb Hans Hagen:
On 8/1/2016 9:22 AM, Jan Willem Flamma wrote:
Hi Pablo,
I wasn’t aware of the \hyphenatedword feature. Thanks for sharing.
mtxrun --script patterns --hyphenate schematic
Can I change the language or do I have to choose a specific
pattern file?
--language=de
(it uses context pattern databases but these use regular patterns)
Herbert
hyphenator |
hyphenator | . s c h e m a t i c . . s c h e m a t i c .
hyphenator | 0s0c0h2 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
hyphenator |2c0h0 0 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
hyphenator |0c0h0e2 0 2 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
hyphenator | 1m0a0 0 2 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
hyphenator |0a0t1i0c0 0 2 0 2 2 0 0 1 0 0
hyphenator | .0s2c0h2e2m0a0t1i0c0. . s c h e m a t-i c .
hyphenator |
mtx-patterns| us 3 3 : schematic : schematic
I used an online hyphenation tool (English US) because it’s too tricky
for me too!
Using English UK the words maintenance and integrated are indeed
correctly hyphenated. So I jumped to conclusions there.
What remains is that ‘schematic' is incorrectly hyphenated as
'sc-hematic’.
Another example is the word ‘cards’, which I see hyphenated as
'ca-rds’ but I’m unable to reproduce it in a MWE for now.
Regards,
Jan Willem
On 31 jul. 2016, at 21:06, Pablo Rodriguez <oi...@gmx.es> wrote:
On 07/31/2016 08:40 PM, Jan Willem Flamma wrote:
Dear all,
I can confirm it behaves incorrectly on ConTeXt ver: 2016.07.30
00:26 MKIV beta
Hi Jan Willem,
are patterns for Brittish English better?
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{schematic, maintenance and integrated
beginning procedure adequately style}
\uk\hyphenatedword{schematic, maintenance and integrated
beginning procedure adequately style}
\stoptext
Sorry, but English hyphenation is too tricky for me.
Just in case it helps,
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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation errors (again or still) in recent mkiv
Am 01.08.2016 um 09:45 schrieb Hans Hagen:
On 8/1/2016 9:22 AM, Jan Willem Flamma wrote:
Hi Pablo,
I wasn’t aware of the \hyphenatedword feature. Thanks for sharing.
mtxrun --script patterns --hyphenate schematic
Can I change the language or do I have to choose a specific
pattern file?
Herbert
hyphenator |
hyphenator | . s c h e m a t i c . . s c h e m a t i c .
hyphenator | 0s0c0h2 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
hyphenator |2c0h0 0 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
hyphenator |0c0h0e2 0 2 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
hyphenator | 1m0a0 0 2 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
hyphenator |0a0t1i0c0 0 2 0 2 2 0 0 1 0 0
hyphenator | .0s2c0h2e2m0a0t1i0c0. . s c h e m a t-i c .
hyphenator |
mtx-patterns| us 3 3 : schematic : schematic
I used an online hyphenation tool (English US) because it’s too tricky
for me too!
Using English UK the words maintenance and integrated are indeed
correctly hyphenated. So I jumped to conclusions there.
What remains is that ‘schematic' is incorrectly hyphenated as
'sc-hematic’.
Another example is the word ‘cards’, which I see hyphenated as
'ca-rds’ but I’m unable to reproduce it in a MWE for now.
Regards,
Jan Willem
On 31 jul. 2016, at 21:06, Pablo Rodriguez <oi...@gmx.es> wrote:
On 07/31/2016 08:40 PM, Jan Willem Flamma wrote:
Dear all,
I can confirm it behaves incorrectly on ConTeXt ver: 2016.07.30
00:26 MKIV beta
Hi Jan Willem,
are patterns for Brittish English better?
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{schematic, maintenance and integrated
beginning procedure adequately style}
\uk\hyphenatedword{schematic, maintenance and integrated
beginning procedure adequately style}
\stoptext
Sorry, but English hyphenation is too tricky for me.
Just in case it helps,
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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation errors (again or still) in recent mkiv
On 8/1/2016 9:22 AM, Jan Willem Flamma wrote: Hi Pablo, I wasn’t aware of the \hyphenatedword feature. Thanks for sharing. I used an online hyphenation tool (English US) because it’s too tricky for me too! Using English UK the words maintenance and integrated are indeed correctly hyphenated. So I jumped to conclusions there. What remains is that ‘schematic' is incorrectly hyphenated as 'sc-hematic’. Another example is the word ‘cards’, which I see hyphenated as 'ca-rds’ but I’m unable to reproduce it in a MWE for now. maybe wrong hyphenation min values? - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation errors (again or still) in recent mkiv
On 8/1/2016 9:22 AM, Jan Willem Flamma wrote:
Hi Pablo,
I wasn’t aware of the \hyphenatedword feature. Thanks for sharing.
>mtxrun --script patterns --hyphenate schematic
hyphenator |
hyphenator | . s c h e m a t i c . . s c h e m a t i c .
hyphenator | 0s0c0h2 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
hyphenator |2c0h0 0 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
hyphenator |0c0h0e2 0 2 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
hyphenator | 1m0a0 0 2 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
hyphenator |0a0t1i0c0 0 2 0 2 2 0 0 1 0 0
hyphenator | .0s2c0h2e2m0a0t1i0c0. . s c h e m a t-i c .
hyphenator |
mtx-patterns| us 3 3 : schematic : schematic
I used an online hyphenation tool (English US) because it’s too tricky for me
too!
Using English UK the words maintenance and integrated are indeed correctly
hyphenated. So I jumped to conclusions there.
What remains is that ‘schematic' is incorrectly hyphenated as 'sc-hematic’.
Another example is the word ‘cards’, which I see hyphenated as 'ca-rds’ but I’m
unable to reproduce it in a MWE for now.
Regards,
Jan Willem
On 31 jul. 2016, at 21:06, Pablo Rodriguez <oi...@gmx.es> wrote:
On 07/31/2016 08:40 PM, Jan Willem Flamma wrote:
Dear all,
I can confirm it behaves incorrectly on ConTeXt ver: 2016.07.30 00:26 MKIV beta
Hi Jan Willem,
are patterns for Brittish English better?
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{schematic, maintenance and integrated
beginning procedure adequately style}
\uk\hyphenatedword{schematic, maintenance and integrated
beginning procedure adequately style}
\stoptext
Sorry, but English hyphenation is too tricky for me.
Just in case it helps,
Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation errors (again or still) in recent mkiv
Hi Pablo,
I wasn’t aware of the \hyphenatedword feature. Thanks for sharing.
I used an online hyphenation tool (English US) because it’s too tricky for me
too!
Using English UK the words maintenance and integrated are indeed correctly
hyphenated. So I jumped to conclusions there.
What remains is that ‘schematic' is incorrectly hyphenated as 'sc-hematic’.
Another example is the word ‘cards’, which I see hyphenated as 'ca-rds’ but I’m
unable to reproduce it in a MWE for now.
Regards,
Jan Willem
> On 31 jul. 2016, at 21:06, Pablo Rodriguez <oi...@gmx.es> wrote:
>
> On 07/31/2016 08:40 PM, Jan Willem Flamma wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I can confirm it behaves incorrectly on ConTeXt ver: 2016.07.30 00:26 MKIV
>> beta
>
> Hi Jan Willem,
>
> are patterns for Brittish English better?
>
>\starttext
>\hyphenatedword{schematic, maintenance and integrated
> beginning procedure adequately style}
>
>
>\uk\hyphenatedword{schematic, maintenance and integrated
> beginning procedure adequately style}
>\stoptext
>
> Sorry, but English hyphenation is too tricky for me.
>
> Just in case it helps,
>
>
> Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation errors (again or still) in recent mkiv
On 07/31/2016 08:40 PM, Jan Willem Flamma wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I can confirm it behaves incorrectly on ConTeXt ver: 2016.07.30 00:26 MKIV
> beta
Hi Jan Willem,
are patterns for Brittish English better?
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{schematic, maintenance and integrated
beginning procedure adequately style}
\uk\hyphenatedword{schematic, maintenance and integrated
beginning procedure adequately style}
\stoptext
Sorry, but English hyphenation is too tricky for me.
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Re: [NTG-context] issue with French patterns
On 6/30/2016 8:15 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
Dear list,
I have the following sample:
\setuplanguage[fr][patterns={fr, agr}]
\mainlanguage[fr]
\setupbodyfont[dejavu]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{χαλεπά éligibilité}
\stoptext
I cannot compile it with latest beta (or with stable from 2015.05.18 12:26).
The error message reads:
error on line 2 in file a.tex: ! Conflicting pattern ignored
Is this a bug or is there no way to load French and ancient Greek
hyphenation patterns?
it's not a bug ... the patterns conflict ... it took me a while but the
next beta will drop the conflicts
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] issue with French patterns
Hi Pablo,
Your example is typeset correctly if one puts
\setuplanguage[fr,agr]
instead of \setuplanguage[fr][patterns={fr, agr}].
On the wiki I didn’t find the keyword « patterns =………» for \setuplanguage.
Best regards: OK
> On 30 Jun 2016, at 20:15, Pablo Rodriguez <oi...@gmx.es> wrote:
>
> Dear list,
>
> I have the following sample:
>
>\setuplanguage[fr][patterns={fr, agr}]
>\mainlanguage[fr]
>\setupbodyfont[dejavu]
>\starttext
>\hyphenatedword{χαλεπά éligibilité}
>\stoptext
>
> I cannot compile it with latest beta (or with stable from 2015.05.18 12:26).
>
> The error message reads:
>
>error on line 2 in file a.tex: ! Conflicting pattern ignored
>
> Is this a bug or is there no way to load French and ancient Greek
> hyphenation patterns?
>
> Many thanks for your help,
>
> Pablo
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[NTG-context] issue with French patterns
Dear list,
I have the following sample:
\setuplanguage[fr][patterns={fr, agr}]
\mainlanguage[fr]
\setupbodyfont[dejavu]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{χαλεπά éligibilité}
\stoptext
I cannot compile it with latest beta (or with stable from 2015.05.18 12:26).
The error message reads:
error on line 2 in file a.tex: ! Conflicting pattern ignored
Is this a bug or is there no way to load French and ancient Greek
hyphenation patterns?
Many thanks for your help,
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Re: [NTG-context] (bug?) wrong hyphenation with external fonts
On 2/4/2016 9:27 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
On 02/03/2016 02:18 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 2/2/2016 12:28 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
Dear list,
[...]
Hyphenation is wrong with fonts that don’t come with the ConTeXt
distribution. TeX Gyre Pagella is hyphenated right, but MinionPro or
even TeX Gyre Pagella Math are wrong hyphenated.
I’m afraid it may be a bug. Could anyone confirm it?
to what extend hyphenation is supported depends on the interaction
between ligature building / kerning / trickery and possible hyohenation
points; the font handler tries to do its best
Many thanks for your reply, Hans.
I reported the issue in the opposite way it happens:
\definefontfamily[mainface][rm][MinionPro]
\definefontfamily[anotherface][rm][TeX Gyre Pagella]
\setupbodyfont[mainface]
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
\hyphenatedword{LibreOffice libre office}
\setupbodyfont[anotherface]%
\hyphenatedword{LibreOffice libre office}
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
The ff-ligature prevents hyphenation with TeX Gyre Pagella, but not with
MinionPro. (This is the opposite of what I reported before.)
it depends on the complexity of the ligature .. ff is not so much an
issue but you can have ff + i = ffi etc and we need to deal with kerning
too (it depends a bit on how the opentype features are applied and we
can handle quite some weird ligature implementations)
the latest mechanism in context can deal with quite some situations but
at some point has to make decisions (in order not to loose for instance
kerns; double chained ligatures would result in way more overhead and is
not worth the trouble)
one might wonder if we never had these f[fil] ligatures of if ancient
technology had provides hundreds of them combining upto 4 characters etc
etc.
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Re: [NTG-context] (bug?) wrong hyphenation with external fonts
On 02/03/2016 02:18 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 2/2/2016 12:28 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>> Dear list,
>> [...]
>> Hyphenation is wrong with fonts that don’t come with the ConTeXt
>> distribution. TeX Gyre Pagella is hyphenated right, but MinionPro or
>> even TeX Gyre Pagella Math are wrong hyphenated.
>>
>> I’m afraid it may be a bug. Could anyone confirm it?
>
> to what extend hyphenation is supported depends on the interaction
> between ligature building / kerning / trickery and possible hyohenation
> points; the font handler tries to do its best
Many thanks for your reply, Hans.
I reported the issue in the opposite way it happens:
\definefontfamily[mainface][rm][MinionPro]
\definefontfamily[anotherface][rm][TeX Gyre Pagella]
\setupbodyfont[mainface]
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
\hyphenatedword{LibreOffice libre office}
\setupbodyfont[anotherface]%
\hyphenatedword{LibreOffice libre office}
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
The ff-ligature prevents hyphenation with TeX Gyre Pagella, but not with
MinionPro. (This is the opposite of what I reported before.)
> math: don't use math fonts for text
I never do it. Reported only for the record.
Sorry for the previous inaccurate report. Many thanks for your help,
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Re: [NTG-context] (bug?) wrong hyphenation with external fonts
On 2/2/2016 12:28 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
Dear list,
just accidentally I discovered the following issue:
\definefontfamily[mainface][rm][MinionPro]
\definefontfamily[anotherface][rm][TeX Gyre Pagella]
% wrong hyphenation too with TeX Gyre Pagella Math
\setupbodyfont[mainface]
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
\hyphenatedword{LibreOffice libre office}
\es\hyphenatedword{LibreOffice libre office}
\stopTEXpage
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
\setupbodyfont[anotherface]%
\hyphenatedword{LibreOffice libre office}
\es\hyphenatedword{LibreOffice libre office}
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
Hyphenation is wrong with fonts that don’t come with the ConTeXt
distribution. TeX Gyre Pagella is hyphenated right, but MinionPro or
even TeX Gyre Pagella Math are wrong hyphenated.
I’m afraid it may be a bug. Could anyone confirm it?
to what extend hyphenation is supported depends on the interaction
between ligature building / kerning / trickery and possible hyohenation
points; the font handler tries to do its best
math: don't use math fonts for text
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] bug in hyphenmin?
On 12/13/2015 08:17 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> Dear list,
>
> I have the following sample:
>
> \setuplanguage[es][lefhyphenmin=1, righthyphenmin=1]
> \mainlanguage[es]
>
> \definehyphenationfeatures
>[givemefive]
>[hyphenmin=5]
>
> \setuphyphenation
> [method=traditional]
>
> \sethyphenationfeatures
> [strict, givemefive]
>
> \starttext
> \hyphenatedword{bueno buenos}
> \stoptext
>
> Although I set hyphenmin to 5, I don’t get "bueno" hyphenated?
Replying to myself, there is no bug in hyphenmin. The Spanish patterns
don’t add "bue-no" (I haven’t asked yet, but I guess this is to avoid
starting a line with a negative particle). I have to add an hyphenation
exception.
But there is an issue with hyphenmin shown in this sample:
\mainlanguage[es]
\definehyphenationfeatures
[givemefive]
[hyphenmin=4]
\setuphyphenation
[method=traditional]
\sethyphenationfeatures
[strict, givemefive]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{buena}
\stoptext
hyphenmin requires a value of 4 to hyphenate a five-letter word (and 3
to hyphenate a four letter word).
Isn’t this a bug?
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[NTG-context] bug in hyphenmin?
Dear list,
I have the following sample:
\setuplanguage[es][lefhyphenmin=1, righthyphenmin=1]
\mainlanguage[es]
\definehyphenationfeatures
[givemefive]
[hyphenmin=5]
\setuphyphenation
[method=traditional]
\sethyphenationfeatures
[strict, givemefive]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{bueno buenos}
\stoptext
Although I set hyphenmin to 5, I don’t get "bueno" hyphenated?
Is this a bug or am I missing something?
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Re: [NTG-context] bug in nothyphenated?
On 9/21/2015 9:44 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
On 09/21/2015 06:55 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 9/13/2015 7:59 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
\def\abc{Con\-\TeX{}t}
\hyphenation{Con-TeXt}
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em, align={right, nothyphenated}]
\hyphenatedword{legibility}\\
\hyphenatedword{\abc}\\
\abc\\
\hyphenatedword{\ConTeXt}
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
I have to define \ConTeXt as in \abc. Otherwise, it won’t get hyphenated
at all. If I add \hyphenation{Con-TeXt}, no kerning will be applied in
the pair nT.
But redefining \ConTeXt as Con\-\TeX{}t hyphenates the word even when
nothyphenated is selected.
Isn’t this a bug with nothyphenated?
it has to do with uppercase .. that prevents hyphenation
Sorry, Hans, but I’m afraid I don‘t get it.
The issue is that hyphenation takes place even when nothyphenated should
prevent it.
What am I missing in your eplanation?
\- is explicit, nothyphenated only prevents the pattern based hyphen
injector
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] bug in nothyphenated?
On 9/13/2015 7:59 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
Dear list,
I have the following sample:
\def\abc{Con\-\TeX{}t}
\hyphenation{Con-TeXt}
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em, align={right, nothyphenated}]
\hyphenatedword{legibility}\\
\hyphenatedword{\abc}\\
\abc\\
\hyphenatedword{\ConTeXt}
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
I have to define \ConTeXt as in \abc. Otherwise, it won’t get hyphenated
at all. If I add \hyphenation{Con-TeXt}, no kerning will be applied in
the pair nT.
But redefining \ConTeXt as Con\-\TeX{}t hyphenates the word even when
nothyphenated is selected.
Isn’t this a bug with nothyphenated?
it has to do with uppercase .. that prevents hyphenation
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] bug in nothyphenated?
On 09/21/2015 06:55 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 9/13/2015 7:59 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>>
>> \def\abc{Con\-\TeX{}t}
>> \hyphenation{Con-TeXt}
>> \starttext
>> \startTEXpage[offset=1em, align={right, nothyphenated}]
>> \hyphenatedword{legibility}\\
>> \hyphenatedword{\abc}\\
>> \abc\\
>> \hyphenatedword{\ConTeXt}
>> \stopTEXpage
>> \stoptext
>>
>> I have to define \ConTeXt as in \abc. Otherwise, it won’t get hyphenated
>> at all. If I add \hyphenation{Con-TeXt}, no kerning will be applied in
>> the pair nT.
>>
>> But redefining \ConTeXt as Con\-\TeX{}t hyphenates the word even when
>> nothyphenated is selected.
>>
>> Isn’t this a bug with nothyphenated?
>
> it has to do with uppercase .. that prevents hyphenation
Sorry, Hans, but I’m afraid I don‘t get it.
The issue is that hyphenation takes place even when nothyphenated should
prevent it.
What am I missing in your eplanation?
Many thanks for your help,
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[NTG-context] bug in nothyphenated?
Dear list,
I have the following sample:
\def\abc{Con\-\TeX{}t}
\hyphenation{Con-TeXt}
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em, align={right, nothyphenated}]
\hyphenatedword{legibility}\\
\hyphenatedword{\abc}\\
\abc\\
\hyphenatedword{\ConTeXt}
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
I have to define \ConTeXt as in \abc. Otherwise, it won’t get hyphenated
at all. If I add \hyphenation{Con-TeXt}, no kerning will be applied in
the pair nT.
But redefining \ConTeXt as Con\-\TeX{}t hyphenates the word even when
nothyphenated is selected.
Isn’t this a bug with nothyphenated?
Many thanks for your help,
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Re: [NTG-context] issue with font and lua code
On 7/20/2015 6:49 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
Hans,
I have the following sample (it includes Lua code for underscore
hyphenation):
\startluacode
function document.addfunnyhyphen(tfmdata)
local underscore = utf.byte(_)
local char = tfmdata.characters[underscore]
if not char then return end
tfmdata.characters[0xFE000] = {
width= 0,
height = 0,
depth= 0,
commands = {
{ right, -char.width },
{ down, char.depth },
{ slot, 1, underscore },
}
}
end
utilities.sequencers.appendaction(aftercopyingcharacters,
after,document.addfunnyhyphen)
\stopluacode
\definehyphenationfeatures
[underscore]
[righthyphenchar=FE000]
\setuphyphenation
[method=traditional]
\sethyphenationfeatures
[strict]
\definefontfamily[svb][rm][SV Basic Manual]
\setupbodyfont[svb]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{legibility}
\stoptext
For some reason, the font gives the following error with the Lua code
(font can be downloaded from http://dl.dafont.com/dl/?f=sv_basic_manual):
lua errorlua error on line 33 in file svb.tex:
.../ctxbeta/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-ctx.lua:1194: bad
argument #9 to 'define' (number expected, got nil)
stack traceback:
[C]: in function 'define'
.../ctxbeta/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-ctx.lua:1194: in
function .../ctxbeta/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-ctx.lua:1049
33 \setupbodyfont[svb]
The weird thing here is that the Lua code isn’t applied to the
problematic font.
Is there a way to fix this strange interaction?
in that font the underscore has no depth, so:
commands = {
{ right, -char.width },
{ down, char.depth or 0 },
{ slot, 1, underscore },
}
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[NTG-context] issue with font and lua code
Hans,
I have the following sample (it includes Lua code for underscore
hyphenation):
\startluacode
function document.addfunnyhyphen(tfmdata)
local underscore = utf.byte(_)
local char = tfmdata.characters[underscore]
if not char then return end
tfmdata.characters[0xFE000] = {
width= 0,
height = 0,
depth= 0,
commands = {
{ right, -char.width },
{ down, char.depth },
{ slot, 1, underscore },
}
}
end
utilities.sequencers.appendaction(aftercopyingcharacters,
after,document.addfunnyhyphen)
\stopluacode
\definehyphenationfeatures
[underscore]
[righthyphenchar=FE000]
\setuphyphenation
[method=traditional]
\sethyphenationfeatures
[strict]
\definefontfamily[svb][rm][SV Basic Manual]
\setupbodyfont[svb]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{legibility}
\stoptext
For some reason, the font gives the following error with the Lua code
(font can be downloaded from http://dl.dafont.com/dl/?f=sv_basic_manual):
lua errorlua error on line 33 in file svb.tex:
.../ctxbeta/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-ctx.lua:1194: bad
argument #9 to 'define' (number expected, got nil)
stack traceback:
[C]: in function 'define'
.../ctxbeta/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-ctx.lua:1194: in
function .../ctxbeta/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-ctx.lua:1049
33 \setupbodyfont[svb]
The weird thing here is that the Lua code isn’t applied to the
problematic font.
Is there a way to fix this strange interaction?
Many thanks for your help,
Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation exceptions?
On 07/07/2015 05:41 PM, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
[...]
That's because the word you're trying to hyphenate is
Amsterdam-Buitenveldert, not Amsterdam. Compound words are by
default hyphenated only at the hyphen in TeX.
\setbreakpoints[compound] works in the following sample:
\language[nl]
\setbreakpoints[compound]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{Amsterdam--Buitenveldert}
\stoptext
I don’t know whether it would make sense to use an en-dash for compound
words in Dutch.
I hope it helps now,
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Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation exceptions?
On Tue, Jul 07, 2015 at 03:29:11PM +, Meer, H. van der wrote:
The \hyphenatedword works here too. But it does not work out when the word
Amsterdam occurs in the text. See tthe two examples. In the first Amsterdam
is not broken according to the \hyphenation{Am-ster-dam}-rule. In the second
example the linebreak is forced by the explicit use of Am\-ster\-dam in the
source text.
That's because the word you're trying to hyphenate is
Amsterdam-Buitenveldert, not Amsterdam. Compound words are by
default hyphenated only at the hyphen in TeX.
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Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation exceptions?
Indeed, the combination Amsterdam-Buitenveldert is the culprit.
The solution therefore is to use (it is ConTeXt afterall)
Amsterdam|-|Buitenveldert, then the word Amsterdam doesn't even needs an
exception.
Thanks for the help.
Hans van der Meer
On 07 Jul 2015, at 18:00, Pablo Rodriguez oi...@gmx.esmailto:oi...@gmx.es
wrote:
On 07/07/2015 05:41 PM, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
[...]
That's because the word you're trying to hyphenate is
Amsterdam-Buitenveldert, not Amsterdam. Compound words are by
default hyphenated only at the hyphen in TeX.
\setbreakpoints[compound] works in the following sample:
\language[nl]
\setbreakpoints[compound]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{Amsterdam--Buitenveldert}
\stoptext
I don’t know whether it would make sense to use an en-dash for compound
words in Dutch.
I hope it helps now,
Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation exceptions?
The \hyphenatedword works here too. But it does not work out when the word
Amsterdam occurs in the text. See tthe two examples. In the first Amsterdam is
not broken according to the \hyphenation{Am-ster-dam}-rule. In the second
example the linebreak is forced by the explicit use of Am\-ster\-dam in the
source text.
So it doesn't work when occurring in the text.
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met vriendelijke groet
Hans van der Meer
On 07 Jul 2015, at 16:37, Pablo Rodriguez oi...@gmx.esmailto:oi...@gmx.es
wrote:
On 07/07/2015 03:33 PM, dr. Hans van der Meer wrote:
Has something happened to hyphenation?
The following does not work
\language[nl]
\startexceptions[nl]
Am-ster-dam
\stopexceptions
Neither does\hyphenation{Am-ster-dam}
Hi Hans,
using latest beta from 2015.07.01 21:40, both options work for me:
\language[nl]
%~ \startexceptions[nl]
%~ Ams-terd-am
%~ \stopexceptions
\hyphenation{Ams-terd-am}
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{Amsterdam}
\stoptext
BTW, I have to change the hyphenation points, since the proposed
exception is the default hyphenation in Dutch.
Or how did you know that the exceptions weren’t working?
I hope it helps,
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Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation exceptions?
On 07/07/2015 03:33 PM, dr. Hans van der Meer wrote:
Has something happened to hyphenation?
The following does not work
\language[nl]
\startexceptions[nl]
Am-ster-dam
\stopexceptions
Neither does\hyphenation{Am-ster-dam}
Hi Hans,
using latest beta from 2015.07.01 21:40, both options work for me:
\language[nl]
%~ \startexceptions[nl]
%~ Ams-terd-am
%~ \stopexceptions
\hyphenation{Ams-terd-am}
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{Amsterdam}
\stoptext
BTW, I have to change the hyphenation points, since the proposed
exception is the default hyphenation in Dutch.
Or how did you know that the exceptions weren’t working?
I hope it helps,
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[NTG-context] No hyphenation in Bulgarian
Hi,
I have to typeset a Bulgarian document but the hyphenation doesn’t work. The
lang-bg.lua file is not loaded, according to the log. (All four lang-bg files
are present in /tex/texmf-context/tex/context/patterns/)
\usetypescriptfile[type-gentium]
\usetypescript[gentium]
\setupbodyfont[gentium,12pt]
\mainlanguage [bg]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{програмираната}
\stoptext
Do I have to do anything special, in addition to \mainlanguage [bg] ?
Russian hyphenation does work.
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Re: [NTG-context] No hyphenation in Bulgarian
Do I have to do anything special, in addition to \mainlanguage [bg] ?
In reply to my own question:
It seems I must add
\installlanguage
[bg]
[lefthyphenmin=2,
righthyphenmin=2,
patterns=bg,
…
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On 03 May 15, at 08:27, Thomas Floeren t...@mac.com wrote:
Hi,
I have to typeset a Bulgarian document but the hyphenation doesn’t work. The
lang-bg.lua file is not loaded, according to the log. (All four lang-bg files
are present in /tex/texmf-context/tex/context/patterns/)
\usetypescriptfile[type-gentium]
\usetypescript[gentium]
\setupbodyfont[gentium,12pt]
\mainlanguage [bg]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{програмираната}
\stoptext
Do I have to do anything special, in addition to \mainlanguage [bg] ?
Russian hyphenation does work.
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[NTG-context] updating in texlive
Hi all,
a Happy New Year to all of you! Here's a small question:
from time to time, as a mental exercise (and because I
like a backup), I try to bring my texlive installation up
to date. I have copied these relevant files over from my
minimal tree:
- luatex binary
- mtxrun
- texmfcnf.lua (with modifications, of course)
then unzipped the latest ConTeXt. Everything works - but I
get no hyphenation. For a simple test file like:
\mainlanguage[en]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{philosophically}
\stoptext
I see in the log file
mkiv lua stats : loaded patterns - en::2
but no hyphenation is given. in a run with the minimals, I
see:
mkiv lua stats : loaded patterns - en::2
mkiv lua stats : language load time - 0.155 seconds ,
nofpatterns: 1
(the last line is not present in the log from texlive). I
don't see anything wrong in cont-en.log, so I wonder how I
can find out why the patterns are not applied?
All best
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[NTG-context] latest current
Hi all,
for some reason, hyphenation for ancient Greek isn't
working in the latest current. test file:
\usetypescript[type-gentium]
\setupbodyfont[gentium,12pt]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{allegorical}
{\fr\hyphenatedword{détoxication}}
{\agr\hyphenatedword{#966;#953;#955;#959;#963;#959;#966;#959;#973;#956;#949;#957;#945;}}
\stoptext
I looked at lang-grk.tex but couldn't find anything
obvious, and according to the log file, all languages are
loaded,
mkiv lua stats : loaded patterns - agr:gr:31
en::2 fr::15
so I'm a bit puzzled.
Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] latest current
On 2-8-2010 4:39, Thomas Schmitz wrote:
Hi all,
for some reason, hyphenation for ancient Greek isn't
working in the latest current. test file:
\usetypescript[type-gentium]
\setupbodyfont[gentium,12pt]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{allegorical}
{\fr\hyphenatedword{détoxication}}
{\agr\hyphenatedword{#966;#953;#955;#959;#963;#959;#966;#959;#973;#956;#949;#957;#945;}}
can you send me a zipped test file ?
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Re: [NTG-context] latest current
{\agr\hyphenatedword{#966;#953;#955;#959;#963;#959;#966;#959;#973;#956;#949;#957;#945;}}
Err, you realize you posted the e-mail using HTML entities? Your
mailer may be responsible for that, but if they were in the source file,
it's to be expected that doesn't work well ;-)
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[NTG-context] new beta
Hi,
I uploaded a beta to the website (so the garden will follow in an hour).
Apart from a few fixes and experimental features, the most important
change is in the language department. The following should work
\starttext
\setupbodyfont[xits,12pt]
\setuplanguage[ru][patterns={ru,us}]
\setuplanguage[en][patterns={us,ru}]
\setuplanguage[de][patterns={de,ru}]
\start
\language[ru]
\dorecurse{50}{Multilingual }\dorecurse{50}{русский текст }
\par
\stop
\start
\language[en]
\dorecurse{50}{Multilingual }\dorecurse{50}{русский текст }
\par
\stop
\start
\language[de]
\dorecurse{50}{Multilingual }\dorecurse{50}{русский текст }
\par
\stop
\stoptext
you can add more patterns to an existing set so
\setuplanguage[en][patterns=ru]
will use us+ru patterns. You can say {reset,ru} if needed.
Also available is:
\startexceptions[en]
xxx-yyy-zzz
\stopexceptions
\hyphenatedword{xxxyyyzzz}
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Re: [NTG-context] Omitting hyphenation
Dne torek 22. junija 2010 ob 09:18:10 je Hans Hagen napisal(a):
On 21-6-2010 10:22, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 21.06.10 22:00, schrieb Hans Hagen:
Wolfgang (who wonders why there is no context alternative for
\hyphenation)
so there is room for improvements
\starttext
\dorecurse{50}{\kern\recurselevel\dimexpr.2pt\relax {\nohyphens
nothyphenatedword}, hyphenatedword }
\stoptext
i should explain what i mean:
when you try to make hyphenation exceptions for different languages you
need currently
\language[en]\hyphenation{expection list for english}
\language[de]\hyphenation{expection list for german}
but it would be nice to combine both in a single command, e.g.
\setuphyphenation{exception list for the current active language} % like
\hyphenation{...}
\setuphyphenation[de]{exception list for german} % like
\language[de]\hyphenation{...}
how about \startexceptions[de] ... \stopexceptions
Do any of the above work already or is it just a suggestion for future
improvement?
Also, how does one disable hyphenation throughout the whole document?
(I heard that in the UK hyphenation in the CV is not desirable)
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Re: [NTG-context] Omitting hyphenation
Am 24.06.10 23:30, schrieb Matija Šuklje:
Dne torek 22. junija 2010 ob 09:18:10 je Hans Hagen napisal(a):
On 21-6-2010 10:22, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 21.06.10 22:00, schrieb Hans Hagen:
Wolfgang (who wonders why there is no context alternative for
\hyphenation)
so there is room for improvements
\starttext
\dorecurse{50}{\kern\recurselevel\dimexpr.2pt\relax {\nohyphens
nothyphenatedword}, hyphenatedword }
\stoptext
i should explain what i mean:
when you try to make hyphenation exceptions for different languages you
need currently
\language[en]\hyphenation{expection list for english}
\language[de]\hyphenation{expection list for german}
but it would be nice to combine both in a single command, e.g.
\setuphyphenation{exception list for the current active language} % like
\hyphenation{...}
\setuphyphenation[de]{exception list for german} % like
\language[de]\hyphenation{...}
how about \startexceptions[de] ... \stopexceptions
Do any of the above work already or is it just a suggestion for future
improvement?
Also, how does one disable hyphenation throughout the whole document?
(I heard that in the UK hyphenation in the CV is not desirable)
\setupalign[nothyphenated]
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Omitting hyphenation
On 21-6-2010 10:22, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 21.06.10 22:00, schrieb Hans Hagen:
Wolfgang (who wonders why there is no context alternative for
\hyphenation)
so there is room for improvements
\starttext
\dorecurse{50}{\kern\recurselevel\dimexpr.2pt\relax {\nohyphens
nothyphenatedword}, hyphenatedword }
\stoptext
i should explain what i mean:
when you try to make hyphenation exceptions for different languages you
need currently
\language[en]\hyphenation{expection list for english}
\language[de]\hyphenation{expection list for german}
but it would be nice to combine both in a single command, e.g.
\setuphyphenation{exception list for the current active language} % like
\hyphenation{...}
\setuphyphenation[de]{exception list for german} % like
\language[de]\hyphenation{...}
how about \startexceptions[de] ... \stopexceptions
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Re: [NTG-context] Omitting hyphenation
On 21-6-2010 7:45, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 21.06.10 18:32, schrieb Matija Šuklje:
Hullo,
in Slovenian it's not allowed to word-wrap/hyphenate abbrevations. In
the CV
I'm writing right now, I have a few of those and they get hyphenated and
broken.
How can I tell that a single word/abbrevation should *not* be
hyphenated and
broken?
\hyphenation{nothyphenatedword anothernothyphenatedword}
\starttext
\stoptext
Wolfgang (who wonders why there is no context alternative for \hyphenation)
so there is room for improvements
\starttext
\dorecurse{50}{\kern\recurselevel\dimexpr.2pt\relax {\nohyphens
nothyphenatedword}, hyphenatedword }
\stoptext
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Omitting hyphenation
Am 21.06.10 22:00, schrieb Hans Hagen:
Wolfgang (who wonders why there is no context alternative for
\hyphenation)
so there is room for improvements
\starttext
\dorecurse{50}{\kern\recurselevel\dimexpr.2pt\relax {\nohyphens
nothyphenatedword}, hyphenatedword }
\stoptext
i should explain what i mean:
when you try to make hyphenation exceptions for different languages you
need currently
\language[en]\hyphenation{expection list for english}
\language[de]\hyphenation{expection list for german}
...
but it would be nice to combine both in a single command, e.g.
\setuphyphenation{exception list for the current active language} % like
\hyphenation{...}
\setuphyphenation[de]{exception list for german} % like
\language[de]\hyphenation{...}
Wolfgang
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