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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:25:21 -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I'm sure the DA 21mm, unlike the DA 40mm, won't work very well for 35mm film, but has anyone tried it, just for grins? Any test shots out there? I haven't seen anything yet, Mike. The DA21 is just getting into the market and DSLR buyers are first to the plate. The relevance of a DA21 over an FA20 for film camera users is questionable, since they're about the same money and evidently perform very similarly. I have not made any test shots, but I did mount the DA 21 on my MX and the LX. It shows severe vignetting with the hood (as expected), and still very noticable vignetting without it. It is a rather abrupt vignetting in all four corners, with a usable image circle of about 39 to 40 mm I would say. (would allow for a 22x33mm crop) This is as seen on the LX groundglass directly, no viewfinder mounted, and nearly closed aperture. Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 18.07.2006, at 21:33 , Mark Roberts wrote: My other Limiteds (43, 31, 77) are all f/1.9 or faster. That's a lot more than a third of a stop! F/2.0 and under is Limited territory for me. I'd *consider* the upcoming 70/2.4 if it were under $500 (and if I didn't already have the 77!) Yes, but but don't forget DA Limiteds are much cheaper than their faster, FF counterparts. FA 31/1.8 is about two times as expensive as having similar FOV 21/3.2, not to speak that DA is much smaller, lighter and takes 49 mm filters instead of 58 mm... Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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At 02:59 PM 19/07/2006, Sylwek wrote: On 18.07.2006, at 21:33 , Mark Roberts wrote: My other Limiteds (43, 31, 77) are all f/1.9 or faster. That's a lot more than a third of a stop! F/2.0 and under is Limited territory for me. I'd *consider* the upcoming 70/2.4 if it were under $500 (and if I didn't already have the 77!) Yes, but but don't forget DA Limiteds are much cheaper than their faster, FF counterparts. FA 31/1.8 is about two times as expensive as having similar FOV 21/3.2, not to speak that DA is much smaller, lighter and takes 49 mm filters instead of 58 mm... They're cheaper because they're slower. I bet if they had made it f1.9, it would be similarly priced to it's full frame big brothers. Admittedly it would be physically larger weightier as well Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 19.07.2006, at 11:06 , David Savage wrote: They're cheaper because they're slower. I bet if they had made it f1.9, it would be similarly priced to it's full frame big brothers. Admittedly it would be physically larger weightier as well Exactly - that's what we're talking about :-) If they were faster they wouldn't be pancakes - really small and affordable but excellent optically and beautifully built lenses. That's the idea of new Limiteds - highly portable set of top primes at the expense of maximum aperture. Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, David Savage wrote: At 02:59 PM 19/07/2006, Sylwek wrote: On 18.07.2006, at 21:33 , Mark Roberts wrote: My other Limiteds (43, 31, 77) are all f/1.9 or faster. That's a lot more than a third of a stop! F/2.0 and under is Limited territory for me. I'd *consider* the upcoming 70/2.4 if it were under $500 (and if I didn't already have the 77!) Yes, but but don't forget DA Limiteds are much cheaper than their faster, FF counterparts. FA 31/1.8 is about two times as expensive as having similar FOV 21/3.2, not to speak that DA is much smaller, lighter and takes 49 mm filters instead of 58 mm... They're cheaper because they're slower. They also cover a smaller image-circle. And there may be thousands other differentiations between these lenses. On spec only you cannot tell why one is cheaper than another. Take the 24-90 and the latest 28-105 as examples; both 3.75x zooms, at comparable FLs with comparable apertures, yet the prices are so different. But I stronbly object to Sylwek's (of all people) comparison of the 31 with the 21 on the grounds that if you mount one on a horse it gives you the same fart as if you mount the other on a pig or sth. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 7/19/06, Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19.07.2006, at 11:06 , David Savage wrote: They're cheaper because they're slower. I bet if they had made it f1.9, it would be similarly priced to it's full frame big brothers. Admittedly it would be physically larger weightier as well Exactly - that's what we're talking about :-) Oh, OK. Sometimes it's hard to tell :-) If they were faster they wouldn't be pancakes - really small and affordable but excellent optically and beautifully built lenses. That's the idea of new Limiteds - highly portable set of top primes at the expense of maximum aperture. I hope that's not the case for any future limited lenses. If it is, then I doubt I'll buy any of them. I'm not tempted by either the 21 or 70. I want fast primes, not small. But that's just my preference. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/07/19 Wed AM 09:36:45 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ... On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, David Savage wrote: At 02:59 PM 19/07/2006, Sylwek wrote: On 18.07.2006, at 21:33 , Mark Roberts wrote: My other Limiteds (43, 31, 77) are all f/1.9 or faster. That's a lot more than a third of a stop! F/2.0 and under is Limited territory for me. I'd *consider* the upcoming 70/2.4 if it were under $500 (and if I didn't already have the 77!) Yes, but but don't forget DA Limiteds are much cheaper than their faster, FF counterparts. FA 31/1.8 is about two times as expensive as having similar FOV 21/3.2, not to speak that DA is much smaller, lighter and takes 49 mm filters instead of 58 mm... They're cheaper because they're slower. They also cover a smaller image-circle. And there may be thousands other differentiations between these lenses. On spec only you cannot tell why one is cheaper than another. Take the 24-90 and the latest 28-105 as examples; both 3.75x zooms, at comparable FLs with comparable apertures, yet the prices are so different. But I stronbly object to Sylwek's (of all people) comparison of the 31 with the 21 on the grounds that if you mount one on a horse it gives you the same fart as if you mount the other on a pig or sth. Mark! - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Jul 19, 2006, at 5:50 AM, David Savage wrote: I hope that's not the case for any future limited lenses. If it is, then I doubt I'll buy any of them. I'm not tempted by either the 21 or 70. I want fast primes, not small. There are these three other Limited lenses available, just for you. ;) -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 7/19/06, Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 19, 2006, at 5:50 AM, David Savage wrote: I hope that's not the case for any future limited lenses. If it is, then I doubt I'll buy any of them. I'm not tempted by either the 21 or 70. I want fast primes, not small. There are these three other Limited lenses available, just for you. ;) I know. I already have 2. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Jul 19, 2006, at 8:36 AM, David Savage wrote: I hope that's not the case for any future limited lenses. If it is, then I doubt I'll buy any of them. I'm not tempted by either the 21 or 70. I want fast primes, not small. There are these three other Limited lenses available, just for you. ;) I know. I already have 2. I just mean that when the DA Limited lineup overlaps directly on the FA lineup (I'm thinking of the 40 - 43 and 70 - 77) and in those instances the lenses are smaller and slower, I don't think you have to panic -- they're not bigger and faster because those lenses already exist and are reasonably current in their larger/faster incarnation. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Aaron Reynolds wrote: There are these three other Limited lenses available, just for you. ;) Lens porn: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg ;-) -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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You should be ashamed. Mark Roberts wrote: Aaron Reynolds wrote: There are these three other Limited lenses available, just for you. ;) Lens porn: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg ;-) -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, P. J. Alling wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Lens porn: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg ;-) You should be ashamed. Absolutely. They are silver. But I can (sort of) see where porn comes into play: the black cap reminds me of Cleese in his socks in A Fish Called Wanda. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 7/19/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lens porn: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg ;-) Not as porntastic as yours but here's my mixed bag... http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/IMGP5070.jpg Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/07/19 Wed PM 02:43:11 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ... On 7/19/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lens porn: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg ;-) Not as porntastic as yours but here's my mixed bag... http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/IMGP5070.jpg You folks had better stop this, or someone (no names, no pack drill) is going to make you feel all soft and insignificant. That's what it did for me, anyway.. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/07/19 Wed PM 02:43:11 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ... On 7/19/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lens porn: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg ;-) Not as porntastic as yours but here's my mixed bag... http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/IMGP5070.jpg You folks had better stop this, or someone (no names, no pack drill) is going to make you feel all soft and insignificant. That's what it did for me, anyway.. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 10:36:45AM +0100, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, David Savage wrote: At 02:59 PM 19/07/2006, Sylwek wrote: On 18.07.2006, at 21:33 , Mark Roberts wrote: My other Limiteds (43, 31, 77) are all f/1.9 or faster. That's a lot more than a third of a stop! F/2.0 and under is Limited territory for me. I'd *consider* the upcoming 70/2.4 if it were under $500 (and if I didn't already have the 77!) Yes, but but don't forget DA Limiteds are much cheaper than their faster, FF counterparts. FA 31/1.8 is about two times as expensive as having similar FOV 21/3.2, not to speak that DA is much smaller, lighter and takes 49 mm filters instead of 58 mm... They're cheaper because they're slower. They also cover a smaller image-circle. I'd be surprised if the DA 70 didn't cover a 35mm frame. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 7/19/06, Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just mean that when the DA Limited lineup overlaps directly on the FA lineup (I'm thinking of the 40 - 43 and 70 - 77) and in those instances the lenses are smaller and slower, I don't think you have to panic -- they're not bigger and faster because those lenses already exist and are reasonably current in their larger/faster incarnation. I'm not panicking. It's just with the release of the K100D the upcoming K10D, I'd just like to see more high quality faster glass to go with these bodies. So far I haven't been all that impressed with the DA lenses I've bought. I got the DA 16-45 f4 after reading all the positive reviews of those here on the PDML, I needed something wider, but I don't think it's as good as the hype. I use them (DA16-45 DA10-17) they're OK, but none of them have made me go WOW, this is a kick ass lens. Maybe the pancake limited's would make me change my opinion :-) Hopefully the upcoming DA 50-135 f2.8 DA16-50 f2.8 are of equal quality to their FA predecessors. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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At 11:29 PM 19/07/2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jul 19, 2006, at 6:23 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Lens porn: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg Just look at how obese that 31mm lens looks compared to even its 43 and 77 mm siblings, never mind the DA21. Pornographic indeed. ]'-) It's not obese, just excited. The other two are cold. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Jul 19, 2006, at 6:23 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Lens porn: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg Just look at how obese that 31mm lens looks compared to even its 43 and 77 mm siblings, never mind the DA21. Pornographic indeed. ]'-) I had the 31 and didn't like it much although it was a fine performer. The 77 is delightful, the 43 (and 40...) does not interest me as the focal length is neither here nor there for the 16x24 format. The DA21 piques my interest but I really really want a compact 28mm f/2... sigh. Perhaps another reason that the DA Limiteds are being designed for compactness and quality rather than speed is that the DSLRs they are designed to work with produce so much cleaner results at ISO 400 to 1600 than the film SLRs that the prior series was designed to complement. That consideration would certainly shift my design priorities if I were the engineering lead. The fact that they're incorporating the QuickShift focusing feature is one of the biggest reasons for me to be interested in the 21 and 70 mm ... the maximum aperture difference is mostly irrelevant. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Perhaps another reason that the DA Limiteds are being designed for compactness and quality rather than speed is that the DSLRs they are designed to work with produce so much cleaner results at ISO 400 to 1600 than the film SLRs that the prior series was designed to complement. That's an excellent point Godfrey. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Perhaps another reason that the DA Limiteds are being designed for compactness and quality rather than speed is that the DSLRs they are designed to work with produce so much cleaner results at ISO 400 to 1600 than the film SLRs that the prior series was designed to complement. That's an excellent point Godfrey. That probably is their reasoning. Still, fast lenses are important even when you're shooting stopped down (as I almost always do) because of the brighter viewfinder. Several times while doing pre-dawn photography I've switched from my 20/2.8 to a faster lens simply because I couldn't see how my shots were framed with the slow 2.8 aperture. This has happened with the MZ-S and with the ist-D; both pentaprism cameras with good viewfinders. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 7/18/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Adam Maas wrote: Well, Sigma does make a 20mm f1.8 just for folks like you. But it's bigger than the DS. Yep, it's a monster, but I have it. Tack sharp, fast, focuses closely. Lots of fun, even if it does weigh a ton. But yeah, I'd prefer speed over small size as well. Amita -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ... Not as porntastic as yours but here's my mixed bag... http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/IMGP5070.jpg Go have a nice little cry. This is an old picture http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/I_SUCK/the_fleet.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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We know and you still suck... William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ... Not as porntastic as yours but here's my mixed bag... http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/IMGP5070.jpg Go have a nice little cry. This is an old picture http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/I_SUCK/the_fleet.html William Robb -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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A large part of a wider maximum aperture is easier focusing, weather autofocus or manual an F2 lens will lock a lot faster than an F3.5. My SMC Takumar 35mm f3.5 gives excellent results on film and digital but it's a PITA to achieve precise focus, under anything other than the brightest lighting conditions. Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Perhaps another reason that the DA Limiteds are being designed for compactness and quality rather than speed is that the DSLRs they are designed to work with produce so much cleaner results at ISO 400 to 1600 than the film SLRs that the prior series was designed to complement. That's an excellent point Godfrey. Kostas -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 7/19/06, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should be ashamed. I assure you: I met him and I know him. Mark Roberts has no shame. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Jul 19, 2006, at 10:19 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: Perhaps another reason that the DA Limiteds are being designed for compactness and quality rather than speed is that the DSLRs they are designed to work with produce so much cleaner results at ISO 400 to 1600 than the film SLRs that the prior series was designed to complement. That's an excellent point Godfrey. A large part of a wider maximum aperture is easier focusing, whether autofocus or manual an F2 lens will lock a lot faster than an F3.5. My SMC Takumar 35mm f3.5 gives excellent results on film and digital but it's a PITA to achieve precise focus, under anything other than the brightest lighting conditions. While brightness is very helpful for focusing, I don't think I can easily see a 0.3 to 1.0 stop difference in the viewfinder brightness without comparing. Contrast at the focusing aperture is actually more significant ... For instance, I found the A24/2.8 to be easier to focus accurately than the A28/2.8 due to its higher contrast when wide open, and the FA20-35/4 to be better than either for the same reason, despite being 1 stop slower. This is just as true for auto focus as it is for manual focus, btw. That probably is their reasoning. Still, fast lenses are important even when you're shooting stopped down (as I almost always do) because of the brighter viewfinder. Several times while doing pre-dawn photography I've switched from my 20/2.8 to a faster lens simply because I couldn't see how my shots were framed with the slow 2.8 aperture. I'm sorry, but I just can't believe that you cannot see how a shot is framed with an f/2.8 maximum aperture vs an f/2 or f/1.8, Mark. What lens faster than the 20/2.8 have you gone to with similar FoV? My testing of the Sigma 20/1.8 showed it to have poorer wide-open resolution and contrast than the Canon EF20/2.8. Neither were at their best until f/4.5 or smaller (the Sigma caught up to the Canon at about f/5.6). The Pentax FA20/2.8 is better than the Canon wide open and proves sharper until f/5.6 from the short time I had evaluating one. Manually focusing *any* very short focal length lens like the 20mm or 14mm is challenging, and often times I find the AF system does a little better than I do if I'm in a hurry. When I have the time to work more slowly, the Pentax Magnifier FB 2x helps a lot for critical work as does the Olympus VariMagni's 1.5-2.5x magnification. However, the Katz Eye Optics screen I purchased significantly improves the manual focusing 'tooth' over the standard Pentax screens in the DS so that I find less need to use the optical magnification aids. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I'm sure the DA 21mm, unlike the DA 40mm, won't work very well for 35mm film, but has anyone tried it, just for grins? Any test shots out there? *UncaMikey __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 19/7/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Lens porn: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg ;-) Bit of pixelation on the window. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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You've been shooting digital too long, that's a window screen... Cotty wrote: On 19/7/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Lens porn: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg ;-) Bit of pixelation on the window. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Jul 19, 2006, at 10:56 AM, UncaMikey wrote: I'm sure the DA 21mm, unlike the DA 40mm, won't work very well for 35mm film, but has anyone tried it, just for grins? Any test shots out there? I haven't seen anything yet, Mike. The DA21 is just getting into the market and DSLR buyers are first to the plate. The relevance of a DA21 over an FA20 for film camera users is questionable, since they're about the same money and evidently perform very similarly. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: My testing of the Sigma 20/1.8 showed it to have poorer wide-open resolution and contrast than the Canon EF20/2.8. In addition to your point re contrast, we discussed T-stops the other day too. I would be very interested to see the T-stop of the Sigma (and not at all that of the Nocan :-)). Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I'm sorry, but I just can't believe that you cannot see how a shot is framed with an f/2.8 maximum aperture vs an f/2 or f/1.8, Mark. Well it's true. What else can I say? What lens faster than the 20/2.8 have you gone to with similar FoV? FA*24/2.0 - which isn't that close but it's the closest I had at the time. Photos from one such shoot are here: http://www.robertstech.com/dolly_s.htm Many shots like the third one simply couldn't be framed accurately with the f/2.8 (I zone focused for all, BTW: both AF and manual focus were out of the question in the darkness). -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Relevant, perhaps not, but certainly interesting. Quite a few people seem to have both film and digital, and I was just curious if anyone had tried it. I have to admit, I am tempted by the new K100D, and compactness is very important to me. Not a big deal, in any event, I suspect someone will fool around with it before long. *UncaMikey --- Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't seen anything yet, Mike. The DA21 is just getting into the market and DSLR buyers are first to the plate. The relevance of a DA21 over an FA20 for film camera users is questionable, since they're about the same money and evidently perform very similarly. Godfrey __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Jul 19, 2006, at 11:38 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I'm sorry, but I just can't believe that you cannot see how a shot is framed with an f/2.8 maximum aperture vs an f/2 or f/1.8, Mark. Well it's true. What else can I say? What lens faster than the 20/2.8 have you gone to with similar FoV? FA*24/2.0 - which isn't that close but it's the closest I had at the time. Photos from one such shoot are here: http://www.robertstech.com/dolly_s.htm Many shots like the third one simply couldn't be framed accurately with the f/2.8 (I zone focused for all, BTW: both AF and manual focus were out of the question in the darkness). Sorry, I still can't believe it. I just fitted the 35/2 on my camera and set it to f/2.8, looked at the difference between f/2 and f/2.8 using the DoF preview lever ... the brightness difference in the viewfinder is only barely discernible. I suspect that the difference in field of view is what's making your 24/2 seem easier to work with than the 20/2.8, and I would agree with that. BTW: which one is the third on that page? Third from the top? ... third counting: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9? .. or the one marked Dolly Sods #3? I can see how they might provide some challenge in framing due to low light and the difficulty in seeing through the viewfinder, but accurately is another question mark. What determines accurate framing on a landscape photograph? ]'-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Jul 19, 2006, at 11:37 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: My testing of the Sigma 20/1.8 showed it to have poorer wide-open resolution and contrast than the Canon EF20/2.8. In addition to your point re contrast, we discussed T-stops the other day too. I would be very interested to see the T-stop of the Sigma (and not at all that of the Nocan :-)). Not sure what a Nocan is. Here's the roster of elements in currently available Nikon, Canon, Pentax and Sigma fast 20mm lenses: Pentax FA20/2.8 - 10 in 9 groups Canon 20/2.8 - 11 in 9 groups Nikon 20/2.8 AIS or D-AF - 12 in 9 groups Sigma 20/1.8 - 13 in 11 groups The Sigma certainly has more lens elements in more groups and could therefore have more losses through absorbtion, but I don't know just how relevant that is. They're all pretty close, really, and they're all fairly complex designs. It's a faster lens than the other three and faster lenses usually do give up contrast and resolution compared against slower designs of similar quality. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 19/7/06, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: You've been shooting digital too long, that's a window screen... I knew someone would bite and it was a fifty/fifty chance it would be you Peter ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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... h. I thought I had all the Limited's (31-43-77). Now there's one more to buy. Must be grat for panoramas ;-) Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Jan van Wijk Sendt: 18. juli 2006 14:25 Til: Pentax discussion forum Emne: 21mm limitted is a jewel ... Just got this one in today. All I can say it is a real limitted, same style, same look and feel, and comes with the same type of leather pouch. It is much less of a 'pancake' than the 40mm is, actually resembles the 43 limitted more. Hood and cap are perfect too, the hood uses some kind of smart bayonet mount :-) Some images taken of the 21mm on the *istD: http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/pentax.php Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 07/17/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 07/17/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Some images taken of the 21mm on the *istD: http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/pentax.php Anything through instead of on ?:-) -Ryan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Hi Ryan, On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:03:11 -0500, Ryan Brooks wrote: Some images taken of the 21mm on the *istD: http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/pentax.php Anything through instead of on ?:-) Nothing worth showing yet :-) I made a few of my home intteriour, and will be taking the lens on a trip tomorrow, will probably do some landscapes ... Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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2 more, the 40mm DA limited and the new 21mm. And a 70mm f2.4 DA Limited will arrive this fall. You've got the full set of FA Limiteds. -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: ... h. I thought I had all the Limited's (31-43-77). Now there's one more to buy. Must be grat for panoramas ;-) Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Jan van Wijk Sendt: 18. juli 2006 14:25 Til: Pentax discussion forum Emne: 21mm limitted is a jewel ... Just got this one in today. All I can say it is a real limitted, same style, same look and feel, and comes with the same type of leather pouch. It is much less of a 'pancake' than the 40mm is, actually resembles the 43 limitted more. Hood and cap are perfect too, the hood uses some kind of smart bayonet mount :-) Some images taken of the 21mm on the *istD: http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/pentax.php Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 07/17/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 07/17/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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It's a DA limited, at 21mm its more like a 28mm on 35mm film. Not that great for panoramas. Still it looks like nice wide angle lens, too bad it doesn't have an aperture ring. Jens Bladt wrote: ... h. I thought I had all the Limited's (31-43-77). Now there's one more to buy. Must be grat for panoramas ;-) Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Jan van Wijk Sendt: 18. juli 2006 14:25 Til: Pentax discussion forum Emne: 21mm limitted is a jewel ... Just got this one in today. All I can say it is a real limitted, same style, same look and feel, and comes with the same type of leather pouch. It is much less of a 'pancake' than the 40mm is, actually resembles the 43 limitted more. Hood and cap are perfect too, the hood uses some kind of smart bayonet mount :-) Some images taken of the 21mm on the *istD: http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/pentax.php Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 07/17/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 07/17/2006 -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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P. J. Alling wrote: It's a DA limited, at 21mm its more like a 28mm on 35mm film. Not that great for panoramas. Still it looks like nice wide angle lens, too bad it doesn't have an aperture ring. The lack of an aperture ring doesn't bother me as much as the lack of speed. f/3.2 is just too slow for me to get very excited about. Certainly not excited enough to pay Limited prices. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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There is that. Personally I think I'd prefer the FA 20mm f2.8. Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: It's a DA limited, at 21mm its more like a 28mm on 35mm film. Not that great for panoramas. Still it looks like nice wide angle lens, too bad it doesn't have an aperture ring. The lack of an aperture ring doesn't bother me as much as the lack of speed. f/3.2 is just too slow for me to get very excited about. Certainly not excited enough to pay Limited prices. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: It's a DA limited, at 21mm its more like a 28mm on 35mm film. Not that great for panoramas. Still it looks like nice wide angle lens, too bad it doesn't have an aperture ring. The lack of an aperture ring doesn't bother me as much as the lack of speed. f/3.2 is just too slow for me to get very excited about. Certainly not excited enough to pay Limited prices. I've been thinking about that, and while I certainly would prefer a faster lens, 1/3 of a stop or so isn't all that much, especially given the small size of the lens. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Jul 18, 2006, at 11:36 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: It's a DA limited, at 21mm its more like a 28mm on 35mm film. Not that great for panoramas. Still it looks like nice wide angle lens, too bad it doesn't have an aperture ring. The lack of an aperture ring doesn't bother me as much as the lack of speed. f/3.2 is just too slow for me to get very excited about. Certainly not excited enough to pay Limited prices. The FA20 is $500 too (BH prices). Speed isn't everything, it is only ~0.3EV slower than the FA20/2.8, but I agree that $480 (BH current price) sounds a bit high for an f/3.2 lens. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Adam Maas wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: It's a DA limited, at 21mm its more like a 28mm on 35mm film. Not that great for panoramas. Still it looks like nice wide angle lens, too bad it doesn't have an aperture ring. The lack of an aperture ring doesn't bother me as much as the lack of speed. f/3.2 is just too slow for me to get very excited about. Certainly not excited enough to pay Limited prices. I've been thinking about that, and while I certainly would prefer a faster lens, 1/3 of a stop or so isn't all that much My other Limiteds (43, 31, 77) are all f/1.9 or faster. That's a lot more than a third of a stop! F/2.0 and under is Limited territory for me. I'd *consider* the upcoming 70/2.4 if it were under $500 (and if I didn't already have the 77!) -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Mark Roberts wrote: Adam Maas wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: It's a DA limited, at 21mm its more like a 28mm on 35mm film. Not that great for panoramas. Still it looks like nice wide angle lens, too bad it doesn't have an aperture ring. The lack of an aperture ring doesn't bother me as much as the lack of speed. f/3.2 is just too slow for me to get very excited about. Certainly not excited enough to pay Limited prices. I've been thinking about that, and while I certainly would prefer a faster lens, 1/3 of a stop or so isn't all that much My other Limiteds (43, 31, 77) are all f/1.9 or faster. That's a lot more than a third of a stop! F/2.0 and under is Limited territory for me. I'd *consider* the upcoming 70/2.4 if it were under $500 (and if I didn't already have the 77!) But it's just 1/3 of a stop from the most similar lens, the FA 20mm f2.8. And in a far smaller package. It's also only 1/3 of a stop slower than the only other DA Limited pancake, the 40mm f2.8. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I use the old A 2.8 20mm for panoramas.It's a great lens. Look how well it performs wide open: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/2695269/in/set-68002/ I bet the FA has appr. the same formulas ? Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af P. J. Alling Sendt: 18. juli 2006 20:52 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ... There is that. Personally I think I'd prefer the FA 20mm f2.8. Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: It's a DA limited, at 21mm its more like a 28mm on 35mm film. Not that great for panoramas. Still it looks like nice wide angle lens, too bad it doesn't have an aperture ring. The lack of an aperture ring doesn't bother me as much as the lack of speed. f/3.2 is just too slow for me to get very excited about. Certainly not excited enough to pay Limited prices. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 07/17/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 07/17/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Adam Maas wrote: But it's just 1/3 of a stop from the most similar lens, the FA 20mm f2.8. And in a far smaller package. It's also only 1/3 of a stop slower than the only other DA Limited pancake, the 40mm f2.8. Still too slow for me. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 7/18/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The lack of an aperture ring doesn't bother me as much as the lack of speed. f/3.2 is just too slow for me to get very excited about. Certainly not excited enough to pay Limited prices. Were I a digital guy, putting the 21mm pancake on a Pentax digital body would make a great package for street shooting, both in terms of total compactness and focal length. For that purpose, I rarely shoot much wider open then f4.0 anyway, usually much smaller. f3.2 would suite me just fine for most of my purposes. However at this time, it's all moot. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Mark Roberts wrote: Adam Maas wrote: But it's just 1/3 of a stop from the most similar lens, the FA 20mm f2.8. And in a far smaller package. It's also only 1/3 of a stop slower than the only other DA Limited pancake, the 40mm f2.8. Still too slow for me. Well, Sigma does make a 20mm f1.8 just for folks like you. But it's bigger than the DS. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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IMO if Pentax still prodoces FA Limited (well at least it is in their catalog) when they also sell DA Limited is obvious: DA Limited arent's supposed to replace FA Limited. FA LImited are Limited because of their quality and speed. DA Limited are Limited because of their quality, size and speed. Obviously Pentax wanna show what they can do producing very compact lenses. Pentax still could introduce of so they want other Limityed lenses (even DA ones) which are not Limited because of their pancakes style but ony by their speed and quality. Who knows? As long as Pentax doesn't stop selling FA Limited nobody should state the DA ones replace the FA ones. Also, about the price of the 21 Limited: you're paying for the size! If it doesn't suit you (which is of course you right) you can disagree but it is a Small and good (it seems from the first impressions) 21mm. Could have been F/4. We are lucky enough it is F/3.2. Just my 2 cents of course. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Den 18. jul. 2006 kl. 23.09 skrev frank theriault: On 7/18/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The lack of an aperture ring doesn't bother me as much as the lack of speed. f/3.2 is just too slow for me to get very excited about. Certainly not excited enough to pay Limited prices. Were I a digital guy, putting the 21mm pancake on a Pentax digital body would make a great package for street shooting, both in terms of total compactness and focal length. For that purpose, I rarely shoot much wider open then f4.0 anyway, usually much smaller. f3.2 would suite me just fine for most of my purposes. I´m buying the 21 because of its size, and because I hope it is better with respect to distortion. I would love to have a 20mm 2.0, but that is not a possibility right now (Sigma has far too much quality variation for me to put any money close to it). Also, a limited lens like that will be very expensive. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Adam Maas wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Adam Maas wrote: But it's just 1/3 of a stop from the most similar lens, the FA 20mm f2.8. And in a far smaller package. It's also only 1/3 of a stop slower than the only other DA Limited pancake, the 40mm f2.8. Still too slow for me. Well, Sigma does make a 20mm f1.8 just for folks like you. Nah. I'll stick with my Pentax glass. I'm really pretty happy with what I have for wide angle primes. I realize that it's unfashionable to be happy with the lenses you already own, but that's just the way it is. :) -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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No, you're just not bitten (yet? or no more?) by LBA when others are. Be happy ;) 2006/7/19, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Adam Maas wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Adam Maas wrote: But it's just 1/3 of a stop from the most similar lens, the FA 20mm f2.8. And in a far smaller package. It's also only 1/3 of a stop slower than the only other DA Limited pancake, the 40mm f2.8. Still too slow for me. Well, Sigma does make a 20mm f1.8 just for folks like you. Nah. I'll stick with my Pentax glass. I'm really pretty happy with what I have for wide angle primes. I realize that it's unfashionable to be happy with the lenses you already own, but that's just the way it is. :) -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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The DA40mm f/2.8 Limited is another one you don't have ... Godfrey On Jul 18, 2006, at 8:59 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: ... h. I thought I had all the Limited's (31-43-77). Now there's one more to buy. Must be grat for panoramas ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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At 02:36 AM 19/07/2006, Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: It's a DA limited, at 21mm its more like a 28mm on 35mm film. Not that great for panoramas. Still it looks like nice wide angle lens, too bad it doesn't have an aperture ring. The lack of an aperture ring doesn't bother me as much as the lack of speed. f/3.2 is just too slow for me to get very excited about. Certainly not excited enough to pay Limited prices. Ditto. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Dunno, the DA Limiteds remind me a lot of the M series. I'm really impressed with the build and size, and of course the clutch thingamajig. The FA Limiteds are gorgeous, but I'd say the DA ones are even nicer. I don't really think I'll shoot much or any 35mm film from now on, so the lack of an aperture ring and the digital-only coverage don't bother me in the slightest. Hell, I hadn't shot any 35mm film in nearly a year BEFORE I bought the DS2. I'm glad I never got around to selling most of my 35mm lenses. -Aaron -Original Message- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ... Date: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:13 pm Size: 561 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net At 02:36 AM 19/07/2006, Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: It's a DA limited, at 21mm its more like a 28mm on 35mm film. Not that great for panoramas. Still it looks like nice wide angle lens, too bad it doesn't have an aperture ring. The lack of an aperture ring doesn't bother me as much as the lack of speed. f/3.2 is just too slow for me to get very excited about. Certainly not excited enough to pay Limited prices. Ditto. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Jul 18, 2006, at 3:28 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: I'm really pretty happy with what I have for wide angle primes. I realize that it's unfashionable to be happy with the lenses you already own, but that's just the way it is. :-) I continue to be tickled by the notion of either the FA28/2.8 or DA21/3.2, but truthfully the FA20-35, DA14 and FA35 together do quite nicely by me. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
