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On Jul 13, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Bob W wrote: I was once told that the athletes with the highest VO2max are biathletes. Makes sense, cross-country skiing needs a fair bit of exertion and they have to get their heart rate down quickly to be steady enough for the shooting. Could be - I don't really know if it's possible to compare fitness across disciplines. I'd like to try cross-country skiing sometime, although it does look like hard work. I think that's what measurements such as VO2max are all about. From what I've heard it's not a pleasant test to undertake but there are ways of approximating it without going through all the effort and expense of a lab test. I've never done any skiing or snowboarding as it looks so easy to injure yourself. I agree that cross-country skiing looks hard. Strangely when you watch professional squash they don't seem to be doing much - they make it look easy. But a couple of minutes into a game you're playing yourself you soon realise how tough it is. I think that's true of any sport. Bear in mind they have coaches, physiotherapists and dietitians looking after them. Competing at the elite levels needs a LOT of work! Which reminds me, I have to work on my diet plan. I can recommend a very good book on sports nutrition if anyone's interested. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've never done any skiing or snowboarding as it looks so easy to injure yourself. I agree that cross-country skiing looks hard. Skiing is quite enjoyable. I've only done it once, for a week, and didn't have any lessons. Despite encouragement from my brother, his wife and his son who all ski black runs I never got off green/blue because I was a scaredy cat. Also I have low bone density, so liable to break more easily than most. I may go again in the New Year though; if so I will have lessons so I can enjoy it more by falling over more skillfully. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Le 14/07/10 13:17, Bob W a écrit : I will have lessons so I can enjoy it more by falling over more skillfully. having lessons allows you to know why you're falling ...;))) which reminds me I was so scared by the faintest slope I just couldn't do anything useful until , one day , I realised that stage was over and I started enjoying myself ... Unluckily that was the last year I was able to go skiing ... rats ! ... dominique -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Wed Jul 14 06:17:32 CDT 2010 Bob W wrote: I've never done any skiing or snowboarding as it looks so easy to injure yourself. I agree that cross-country skiing looks hard. It's just a little bit harder than watching baseball, but much more enjoyable if done in a nice area with god scenary and in a good company. Skiing is quite enjoyable. I've only done it once, for a week, and didn't have any lessons. Despite encouragement from my brother, his wife and his son who all ski black runs I never got off green/blue because I was a scaredy cat. Also I have low bone density, so liable to break more easily than most. I may go again in the New Year though; if so I will have lessons so I can enjoy it more by falling over more skillfully. If you are talking about downhill skiing, - I am sure that the right way to start it is by taking a group lesson on a nice resort. First, - it will dissolve the scare factor. Second, you would learn how to do it right from the beginning (as certain things are not intuitive, even if you've done cross-country skiing before), and third, - it's cheaper! At all ski resorts in the US that I've been to, the beginners package (lesson + ski rental + lift [often restricted to the beginner lifts]) is deeply discounted compared even to just cost of rental+lift icket. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/12/2010 9:14 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Jerry, Actually, soccer (along with tennis) is a sport where professional athletes have the most balanced bodies Most other sports feature (or favor) certain body disproportions to various degrees. Arguably, that is what attracts many female viewers (for the men's games). Igor Igor, could it be that you're confusing the general training that various athletes perform for their game? You see, I played tennis a lot when I was a student. Just for fun, really. Say, I played 2-4 times a week throughout several years, and each time it was between 1 and 2 hours. I developed tennis elbow and my right hand (around the elbow area, for lack of proper term) became visibly bigger than the left one. If you consider the body movements of the game of tennis you will see that it is highly asymmetrical sport. Perhaps swimmers have more balanced bodies as it is said that swimming helps to offset the damage that tennis has on one's body. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tue Jul 13 01:17:28 CDT 2010 Boris Liberman wrote: On 7/12/2010 9:14 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Jerry, Actually, soccer (along with tennis) is a sport where professional athletes have the most balanced bodies Most other sports feature (or favor) certain body disproportions to various degrees. Arguably, that is what attracts many female viewers (for the men's games). Igor Igor, could it be that you're confusing the general training that various athletes perform for their game? You see, I played tennis a lot when I was a student. Just for fun, really. Say, I played 2-4 times a week throughout several years, and each time it was between 1 and 2 hours. I developed tennis elbow and my right hand (around the elbow area, for lack of proper term) became visibly bigger than the left one. If you consider the body movements of the game of tennis you will see that it is highly asymmetrical sport. Perhaps swimmers have more balanced bodies as it is said that swimming helps to offset the damage that tennis has on one's body. Boris, I haven't seen much of disproportion in tennis players. It is reasonable that the leading hand is more developed and the muscles are slightly bigger, - but they are not that big as those of the american football players. ;-) (BTW, tennis elbow, albeit frequent, is a medical condition, not a norm) As for the professional swimmers, - they usually have extremely wide shoulders. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 13, 2010, at 8:41 AM, Bob W wrote: Tennis players have disproportionately large racquet arms. As do squash players. A good argument could be made that the top squash players are the fittest athletes on the planet. I was once told that the athletes with the highest VO2max are biathletes. Makes sense, cross-country skiing needs a fair bit of exertion and they have to get their heart rate down quickly to be steady enough for the shooting. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tennis players have disproportionately large racquet arms. As do squash players. A good argument could be made that the top squash players are the fittest athletes on the planet. I was once told that the athletes with the highest VO2max are biathletes. Makes sense, cross-country skiing needs a fair bit of exertion and they have to get their heart rate down quickly to be steady enough for the shooting. Could be - I don't really know if it's possible to compare fitness across disciplines. I'd like to try cross-country skiing sometime, although it does look like hard work. What makes squash so difficult is the frequent oxygen debt from long bursts of high intensity activity - rallies can last 10 minutes (and still end on a let!), along with the need for fast recovery, great stamina - professional matches can last for hours - muscular endurance, flexibility and speed. It can be a killer though - about 2-3 years ago a guy at my club died of a heart attack in the changing room after a match; I think he was younger than I am now. Strangely when you watch professional squash they don't seem to be doing much - they make it look easy. But a couple of minutes into a game you're playing yourself you soon realise how tough it is. http://www.jiba-jaba.com/Top-10-Awesome-Mens-Squash-Rallies.aspx B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/13/2010 10:30 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Boris, I haven't seen much of disproportion in tennis players. It is reasonable that the leading hand is more developed and the muscles are slightly bigger, - but they are not that big as those of the american football players. ;-) (BTW, tennis elbow, albeit frequent, is a medical condition, not a norm) As for the professional swimmers, - they usually have extremely wide shoulders. Igor Igor, I don't have a clue whatsoever about american football. Well, I did not mean to say that tennis elbow is hmmm normal, I was just trying to point out that it is yet another representation of rather serious asymmetry of this sport. And disproportion is not asymmetry, so that perhaps we are talking about similar yet different things... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Felicitaciones indeed =) Ecke 2010/7/12 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Hello there. I reckon our Spanish friends deserve a friendly wink here. Their national team has scored bigger than life tonight, having won the World Cup after having won the European Cup earlier. Naturally I am talking about football known to some other people as soccer ;-). Congratulations! Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks Boris and Ecke, I never though I was going to see this happen... Regards, Jaume - Mensaje original De: eckinator eckina...@gmail.com Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: lun,12 julio, 2010 09:55 Asunto: Re: Spanish team has done it! Felicitaciones indeed =) Ecke 2010/7/12 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Hello there. I reckon our Spanish friends deserve a friendly wink here. Their national team has scored bigger than life tonight, having won the World Cup after having won the European Cup earlier. Naturally I am talking about football known to some other people as soccer ;-). Congratulations! Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Congratulations! Spain won by playing with great style. Every World Cup Spain is the team after England I want to win. I also usually like the Netherlands, but they played ugly last night - Spain are the inheritors of Total Football, and the Netherlands should feel ashamed after last night. The Germans were also excellent in this World Cup (unfortunately!) playing an excellent style of football. Bob Thanks Boris and Ecke, I never though I was going to see this happen... Regards, Jaume - Mensaje original De: eckinator eckina...@gmail.com Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: lun,12 julio, 2010 09:55 Asunto: Re: Spanish team has done it! Felicitaciones indeed =) Ecke 2010/7/12 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Hello there. I reckon our Spanish friends deserve a friendly wink here. Their national team has scored bigger than life tonight, having won the World Cup after having won the European Cup earlier. Naturally I am talking about football known to some other people as soccer ;-). Congratulations! Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 12, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Bob W wrote: I also usually like the Netherlands, but they played ugly last night - Spain are the inheritors of Total Football, and the Netherlands should feel ashamed after last night. I agree with you there, Spain did deserve the win. They should have scored sooner though... I had to call in late to work. It was worth it though. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:49 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Hello there. I reckon our Spanish friends deserve a friendly wink here. Their national team has scored bigger than life tonight, having won the World Cup after having won the European Cup earlier. Naturally I am talking about football known to some other people as soccer ;-). Congratulations! Yes, Congrats indeed! Spain (and all those who cheer for Spain) must still be celebrating on this, the morning after. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Le 12/07/10 10:27, Bob W a écrit : I also usually like the Netherlands, but they played ugly last night and that was a real shame !! Spain was lucky the refs were excellent ! dominique -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks everyone! I think this is a well deserved triumph for an excellent generation of football players. Carlos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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For some years I have been an on again off again soccer fan while playing and coaching American football. But after watching this WC series I am now coninced that Soccer (futball) is a vastly superior GAME to American football. Congratulations to the Spanish team and all its supporters! Jerry From: Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Spanish team has done it! Message-ID: 811182.46164...@web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks Boris and Ecke, I never though I was going to see this happen... Regards, Jaume -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 12, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Jerry in Arizona wrote: For some years I have been an on again off again soccer fan while playing and coaching American football. But after watching this WC series I am now coninced that Soccer (futball) is a vastly superior GAME to American football. Congratulations to the Spanish team and all its supporters! When I was an undergraduate our wrestling coach -- who was a four time All American, as were his two sons -- took a stopwatch to an American football game and kept track of the amount of time the players were actually doing anything other than walking around, standing around, in the huddle, etc. As I recall it was less than two minutes. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 12, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Eric Weir wrote: On Jul 12, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Jerry in Arizona wrote: For some years I have been an on again off again soccer fan while playing and coaching American football. But after watching this WC series I am now coninced that Soccer (futball) is a vastly superior GAME to American football. Congratulations to the Spanish team and all its supporters! When I was an undergraduate our wrestling coach -- who was a four time All American, as were his two sons -- took a stopwatch to an American football game and kept track of the amount of time the players were actually doing anything other than walking around, standing around, in the huddle, etc. As I recall it was less than two minutes. According to a Wall Street Journal study of four recent broadcasts, and similar estimates by researchers, the average amount of time the ball is in play on the field during an NFL game is about 11 minutes. But action is only part of the game: strategy and formations play a large roll as do personnel shifts. I'm an avid fan of American football, but I can't sit through an entire soccer game waiting for one score. Each to their own. Paul -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Jerry, Actually, soccer (along with tennis) is a sport where professional athletes have the most balanced bodies Most other sports feature (or favor) certain body disproportions to various degrees. Arguably, that is what attracts many female viewers (for the men's games). Igor Mon Jul 12 12:05:06 CDT 2010 Jerry in Arizona wrote: For some years I have been an on again off again soccer fan while playing and coaching American football. But after watching this WC series I am now coninced that Soccer (futball) is a vastly superior GAME to American football. Congratulations to the Spanish team and all its supporters! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 12, 2010, at 2:01 PM, paul stenquist wrote: I can't sit through an entire soccer game waiting for one score. As you say, to each his own. Personally, I don't understand the fixation on scoring. There were any number of games during the Cup that were tense, and filled with drama, even though neither team had scored, or maybe only one once. I can appreciate basketball -- which, leaving aside some important differences, like the size of the court/field, and the length of the game, is actually pretty similar to soccer -- but the back-and-forth, from one end of the court to the other, with scoring happening on the order of every minute or two, strikes me as verging a bit on the hyperactive side. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Le 12/07/10 20:14, Igor Roshchin a écrit : Jerry, Actually, soccer (along with tennis) is a sport where professional athletes have the most balanced bodies naaa ... basket ball players are much better looking .. ;) dominique -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Jerry, Actually, soccer (along with tennis) is a sport where professional athletes have the most balanced bodies Most other sports feature (or favor) certain body disproportions to various degrees. Tennis players have disproportionately large racquet arms. As do squash players. A good argument could be made that the top squash players are the fittest athletes on the planet. Arguably, that is what attracts many female viewers (for the men's games). Igor Women seem to be quite fond of footballers' legs. Gary Lineker was very popular in that regard during his playing days. On the other hand, there's Peter Crouch... B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mon Jul 12 15:41:50 CDT 2010 Bob W wrote: Jerry, Actually, soccer (along with tennis) is a sport where professional athletes have the most balanced bodies Most other sports feature (or favor) certain body disproportions to various degrees. Tennis players have disproportionately large racquet arms. As do squash players. A good argument could be made that the top squash players are the fittest athletes on the planet. Are you talking about the very first (or second, depending how you searc) image that comes if you search for squash players in Google? :-) I was talking about widely televized sports. I don't think I've ever seen squash being broadcasted on TV.. Maybe once, by a pure chance. Arguably, that is what attracts many female viewers (for the men's games). Women seem to be quite fond of footballers' legs. Gary Lineker was very popular in that regard during his playing days. And he is again a bachelor, probably not for long. :-) Mon Jul 12 15:23:45 CDT 2010 Madame RD wrote: Actually, soccer (along with tennis) is a sport where professional athletes have the most balanced bodies naaa ... basket ball players are much better looking .. ;) dominique You may like basketball players, but they are disproportionate compared to an average human body. But if you like long bodies and body parts (hands, ...) - by all means... Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/12/2010 4:23 PM, Madame RD wrote:
Le 12/07/10 20:14, Igor Roshchin a écrit :
Jerry,
Actually, soccer (along with tennis) is a sport where professional
athletes have the most balanced bodies
naaa ... basket ball players are much better looking .. ;)
dominique
So you like freakishly tall men?
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Tennis players have disproportionately large racquet arms. As do squash players. A good argument could be made that the top squash players are the fittest athletes on the planet. Are you talking about the very first (or second, depending how you searc) image that comes if you search for squash players in Google? :-) I suspect we're getting different results... I was talking about widely televized sports. I don't think I've ever seen squash being broadcasted on TV.. Maybe once, by a pure chance. It's not very TV-friendly, which is probably why it'll never be an Olympic sport. It's deadly dull to watch on TV. Great game to play though. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:49:08PM +0200, Madame RD wrote: Le 12/07/10 10:27, Bob W a ?crit : I also usually like the Netherlands, but they played ugly last night and that was a real shame !! Spain was lucky the refs were excellent ! And a brit, at that :-) Both the BBC and Sky Sports News made a big deal of that (not too much of a surprise, rally - at least there was one brit on the field). There again, both also gave quite a bit of time to coverage of the octupus that was predicting (correctly, as it turned out) a Spanish win. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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