Re: [Ql-Users] VMware
On 29/11/2010 07:53, Norman Dunbar wrote: Evening Bryan, I see that we're running QL under VMware. Kubuntu was put on my laptop as an example of how VM works, but I don't know the process. Can someone kindly enlighten me on on the detail procedure to install the QL (or any other program for that matter) to run under VMware. To install a system under vmware you first to create a new vm, supply a few parameters and then install a guest operating system. This will be what was done to install kbuntu under vmware. In order to run a QL under vmware, you could either: Install wine on kbuntu and run QPC under wine. This should work as I run my QPC under wine on OpenSuse 11.2 and it works fine - except for floppy disc access, but as my new laptop has no such thing as a floppy, I'm not actually bothered. The other option is to create a vm, install Windows onto it as a guest OS, and then run any of the QL Emulators within the guest Windows OS. I personally use Oracle's VirtualBox (not the OSE edition by the way) to run an Xp emulation from time to time. QXL works perfectly under that as well. I don't, however, run vmware so I'm unable to help much I'm afraid. One question though, the machine you have that is running vmware with a guest install of kbuntu, what is the OS for the host? Is it Windows or Linux of some different flavour? The host OS is the one running vmware, the guest is the one running under control of vmware. Cheers, Norman. Thanks everyone. However, my grey matter is a little woolly as an octogenarian. I've searched back, and Tony said Qemulator works fine in second screen under XP in VMware on a Macbook. That is what set me thinking. My Amilo machine has Vista (unfortunately!). I needed pointing to a dunce's detailed step by step instructions as I am not versed at doing this sort of thing at system level. Thinking again about it, what I now think is the way is to run a Linux emulator under Kubuntu. Most of my QL work is on floppies. The Vista on the Amilo won't reliably access the USB floppy, whereas Linux under VM has no problems. Bryan H ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] VMware
Bryan Horstmann wrote, on 30/Nov/10 10:27 | Nov30: Bryan/ Thanks everyone. However, my grey matter is a little woolly as an octogenarian. I've searched back, and Tony said Qemulator works fine in second screen under XP in VMware on a Macbook. That is what set me thinking. My Amilo machine has Vista (unfortunately!). I needed pointing to a dunce's detailed step by step instructions as I am not versed at doing this sort of thing at system level. Well it is hardly system level. You simply configure the second screen (control panel - display - settings). Vista does it in the same way as XP. Then qemulator (and other Windows programs), can use both screens. Thinking again about it, what I now think is the way is to run a Linux emulator under Kubuntu. Most of my QL work is on floppies. The Vista on the Amilo won't reliably access the USB floppy, whereas Linux under VM has no problems. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] VMware
El 29/11/2010 20:28, Bryan Horstmann escribió: I see that we're running QL under VMware. ... You mean... Running QDOS directly under VMWare? Does a x86 version of QDOS exist? I know that QDOS can be booted from an Amiga computer but not from a x86 PC. an example of how VM works, but I don't know the process. Can someone kindly enlighten me on on the detail procedure to install the QL (or any other program for that matter) to run under VMware. I think that you have seen VMWare running Windows, and from that Windows, the Q-Emulator application. If an emulator is not available for Linux or MacOS X, the user can install VMWare (or VirtualBox for a free alternative), install a operating system (mainly Windows XP) which the emulator supports, and from that virtualized OS, install and run the emulator. For instance, AFAIK there's no Linux version of Q-Emulator. So Ubuntu users can run a virtualized Windows inside VMWare/Virtual Box, and from inside the guest OS, install and run Q-Emulator. If there's a Linux supported QL emulator, it would be possible to build a portable or pen version of the QL, by configuring a pendrive to boot a tiny Linux kernel, followed by the QL emulator itself. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] VMware
Evening Bryan, I see that we're running QL under VMware. Kubuntu was put on my laptop as an example of how VM works, but I don't know the process. Can someone kindly enlighten me on on the detail procedure to install the QL (or any other program for that matter) to run under VMware. To install a system under vmware you first to create a new vm, supply a few parameters and then install a guest operating system. This will be what was done to install kbuntu under vmware. In order to run a QL under vmware, you could either: Install wine on kbuntu and run QPC under wine. This should work as I run my QPC under wine on OpenSuse 11.2 and it works fine - except for floppy disc access, but as my new laptop has no such thing as a floppy, I'm not actually bothered. The other option is to create a vm, install Windows onto it as a guest OS, and then run any of the QL Emulators within the guest Windows OS. I personally use Oracle's VirtualBox (not the OSE edition by the way) to run an Xp emulation from time to time. QXL works perfectly under that as well. I don't, however, run vmware so I'm unable to help much I'm afraid. One question though, the machine you have that is running vmware with a guest install of kbuntu, what is the OS for the host? Is it Windows or Linux of some different flavour? The host OS is the one running vmware, the guest is the one running under control of vmware. Cheers, Norman. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] VMware
For instance, AFAIK there's no Linux version of Q-Emulator. So Ubuntu users can run a virtualized Windows inside VMWare/Virtual Box, and from inside the guest OS, install and run Q-Emulator. I think uQLx (a linux QL emulator) was developed from QemuLator sources originally, although from what little I know of them, there the similarities probably end. Plus I think it's a while since uQLx was last updated. Surprisingly, there were also versions derived from uQLx which were then ported to run in Windows and Mac environments. The Win-uQLX ran in Cygwin environment on a Windows machine. I think it was developed by either Peter Graf or Phoebus Dokos (or possibly both of them). Then James Weatherley ported a version to Mac OS - can't remember if it was for OSX or the original Mac OS'es. Both were available from Phoebus's website. Since Phoebus's pages disappeared, the emulators are on my emulators page, but I know little or nothing about them. It's interesting to see all the talk of using such-and-such a QL emulator in such and such an emulating or virtual OS within another OS. I used to marvel at (nowadays) routine things like DOS emulation on a QL, or Darren Branagh doing things like running a Spectrum emulator within a QL emulator running on a PC. I'm not sure he ever went as far as to have Windows in a Linux virtual system (or something like WINE) in turn running a QL emulator in turn running a spectrum emulator in turn running a zx81 emulator, but I'm sure it's the kind of thing he'd have tried for the hell of it if he'd set his mind to it! (Hastily dons protective suit for when Darren reads this). If there's a Linux supported QL emulator, it would be possible to build a portable or pen version of the QL, by configuring a pendrive to boot a tiny Linux kernel, followed by the QL emulator itself. I regularly use my QL On A Stick on Windows systems of course - once I'd figured out how to do it originally it turned out to be quite straightforward to get going. I don't know enough about Linux systems to produce such a pen QL using uQLx on a minimal Linux set up, although it might be an interesting exercise. Potentially quite useful for those who avoid Windows systems where possible. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] VMware
On Monday 29 Nov 2010 19:28:46 Bryan Horstmann wrote: I see that we're running QL under VMware. Kubuntu was put on my laptop as an example of how VM works, but I don't know the process. Can someone kindly enlighten me on on the detail procedure to install the QL (or any other program for that matter) to run under VMware. The easiest method would be to run the uQLx emulator in the Kubuntu. The second method would be to run QPCII in Kubuntu using Wine. Both emulators work here. There is also QLAY for Linux at http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/A.Jaw.Venema/ The uQLX version that I am using can be found at http://www.speccy.org/sinclairql/utilidades/uqlx-es-2008.01.tar.bz2 In a Linux you will need to unpack this with tar -jxvf qlx-es-2008.01.tar.bz2 There is a readme file called léame.txt which tells you to copy the uqlx.rc file up a level and rename it. Once Wine reached version 1, QPCII installed and ran first time. The only drawback up to now is trying to get a USB connected floppy to read QL disks. Re-reading your question - are you after running something under VMware or running something in your Kubuntu Virtual Machine? The first case you need to create a virtual machine. The easiest way is probably to start with a ready made image (http://www.thoughtpolice.co.uk/ or http://www.vmware.com). Assuming you want to make your own then each VMware version has a tool for this except Player. If you are using VMware Player then http://www.easyvmx.com/ will help you create the initial file. If you are after installing something under Kubuntu then you should have a System tool called KPackageKit (or older versions had KSynaptic). This is a graphical front-end that will let you chose thousands of programs. Let us assume you wanted to install the old out of date forth programming language yforth (just because we can). Under the KPackageKit you can search for forth as a description and the yforth will be listed (If it is not you might want to look at the repositories that your Kubuntu is pointing at). Left click on the grey arrow at the right of the package name and it changes to an almost unchanged grey blue to indicate you have chosen to install. Chose the apply button at the bottom and it should install the package for you. An alternative is to use the command line. Open up a console and type in the three commands sudo apt-get update apt-cache search forth sudo apt-get install yforth The first line just refreshes the apt-cache list of packages available The second line lists all the package names that have forth in them The third line is the one that actually installs the package. There are many, many ways to install programs under Linux and everyone has their favourite. Just for fun I have just installed the DOSBox emulator under Linux, then QLAY for DOS (http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/A.Jaw.Venema/qlay090.zip) works fine as well. For that I installed DOSBox, downloaded the QLAY090 for DOS. Unzipped the QLAY file. Started DOSBox (/usr/bin/dosbox). Mounted the unzipped files (mount c ~/Downloads/QLAY090) typed in QLAY.exe and then F1. Speed is a little out as the supplied ft_bas gives me 37 seconds for the 60 second test, but it does run. Regards John ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
