Re: CSAluminum in your diet
It's probably not migrating back, but appearing to because of food intake variations that pull silver out and deposits it at variable rates to be diffused in the nail as it grows, in under and over threshold concentrations that make an area visible and invisible. Diffusion would account for a striated fan like spread into invisibility. Nothing is uniform and everything has hidden elements. Does a nail grow in layers? Say, both from the cuticle for the overbearing part and from under the cuticle to the moon edge for a thin substrate. It sure appears to when disassembling one and watching one that's been torn off grow back. [ouch] Two different interfaces that change in degree of function from day to day. [??] At any rate, a nail is a 3D structure and the whole thing doesn't always grow at the same rate .curling and twisting and getting groovy sometimes. Picking up rocks one day and sand the next on the bottoms more fluid interface with the ground..and crap from the air and rain [cuticle] on the top [ sorta like a glacier] Ode At 12:51 PM 1/15/2010 -0500, you wrote: But wouldn't it grow out then if it was in the nail itself. What is making it migrate back toward the root as the nail grows out so it stays put? My coloration has been present for about 4 years now, and looks just like it did 4 years ago. Although it started at the root and expanded (not migrated) out from there when I stopped taking the large amounts of silver it stopped changing in its darkness and placement. Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: Metals naturally go to hair and nails and grow out as part of the elimination system. Silver in an impure form is generally photo-reactive. Discoloration in the nails is not proof that there is discoloration under them..and if it grows outwards, it's in the nails, not under them. ode At 11:10 AM 1/14/2010 -0500, you wrote: The moons are gray. Initially only the moons were grey, starting at the root and progressing out. Over time it progressed until the gray actually now extends past the moons. The color is different though because the moons are pure gray, but outside the moons you have the pink underlaying the area so it appears more purplish.. Marshall Dan Nave wrote: You wrote: What part of their statement do think they got incorrect? For example, Marshall states that he got blue moons from EIS. When I looked at the pictures he posted, it appears that the area above the moons is blue, but the moons themselves are not blue... Dan On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote: Just a few minor points if I may. An opinion from a different perspective. Dispute is a pugilistic term signifying an argument. I don't know if it is intended that way. I think that an unsubstantiated claim is an opinion and an unsubstantiated counter claim is also an opinion. And yes you should feel free to express your opinion but it need not become a dispute. Relative to silver poisoning, there is a medically documented instance of silver poisoning. As I recall, the person accidentally drank a large amount of silver nitrate and died quite rapidly. Silver can also, in some instances cause a selenium deficiency that over the long term can lead to liver failure and death. It probably has never happened because the person would turn blue first and get medical help in time. If someone says they drank silver and got blue moons I believe that almost 100 percent of the time they are correct. What part of their statement do think they got incorrect? That they did not drink silver or that they do not have blue moons? It is fine if you choose to place no value on anecdotal information but your choice to not believe it does not make it not true. Regards, Steve N *From*: Steve G chube...@yahoo.com mailto:chube...@yahoo.com *To*: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent*: Wed Jan 13 18:04:28 2010 *Subject*: Re: CSAluminum in your diet How about, 'Any info that supports this claim?' My problem is that all kinds of people make all kinds of claims. If I believe someone just because they are fervent and are sincere I'll go around in circles because I hear and read things that conflict with each other. My basic stance in life that if someone makes an unsubstantiated claim, I can dispute it without any substantiation for my position. If someone presents rationale, information from a study, then I must consider their rationale or study to see if it appears to be solid before I can dispute it. There are some very fervent and sincere people on the internet pushing the notion that you can get 'silver
Re: CSAluminum in your diet
Metals naturally go to hair and nails and grow out as part of the elimination system. Silver in an impure form is generally photo-reactive. Discoloration in the nails is not proof that there is discoloration under them..and if it grows outwards, it's in the nails, not under them. ode At 11:10 AM 1/14/2010 -0500, you wrote: The moons are gray. Initially only the moons were grey, starting at the root and progressing out. Over time it progressed until the gray actually now extends past the moons. The color is different though because the moons are pure gray, but outside the moons you have the pink underlaying the area so it appears more purplish.. Marshall Dan Nave wrote: You wrote: What part of their statement do think they got incorrect? For example, Marshall states that he got blue moons from EIS. When I looked at the pictures he posted, it appears that the area above the moons is blue, but the moons themselves are not blue... Dan On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote: Just a few minor points if I may. An opinion from a different perspective. Dispute is a pugilistic term signifying an argument. I don't know if it is intended that way. I think that an unsubstantiated claim is an opinion and an unsubstantiated counter claim is also an opinion. And yes you should feel free to express your opinion but it need not become a dispute. Relative to silver poisoning, there is a medically documented instance of silver poisoning. As I recall, the person accidentally drank a large amount of silver nitrate and died quite rapidly. Silver can also, in some instances cause a selenium deficiency that over the long term can lead to liver failure and death. It probably has never happened because the person would turn blue first and get medical help in time. If someone says they drank silver and got blue moons I believe that almost 100 percent of the time they are correct. What part of their statement do think they got incorrect? That they did not drink silver or that they do not have blue moons? It is fine if you choose to place no value on anecdotal information but your choice to not believe it does not make it not true. Regards, Steve N *From*: Steve G chube...@yahoo.com mailto:chube...@yahoo.com *To*: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent*: Wed Jan 13 18:04:28 2010 *Subject*: Re: CSAluminum in your diet How about, 'Any info that supports this claim?' My problem is that all kinds of people make all kinds of claims. If I believe someone just because they are fervent and are sincere I'll go around in circles because I hear and read things that conflict with each other. My basic stance in life that if someone makes an unsubstantiated claim, I can dispute it without any substantiation for my position. If someone presents rationale, information from a study, then I must consider their rationale or study to see if it appears to be solid before I can dispute it. There are some very fervent and sincere people on the internet pushing the notion that you can get 'silver poisoning.' I don't believe them. They have yet to provide meaningful support for their position. When someone says they drank colloidal silver and got blue moons, I don't accept it at face value. I need to know how their 'colloidal silver' was made or from whom it was acquired. I am open to the idea that perhaps someone can get blue moons from colloidal silver, but I want to know exactly how this happened so I can figure out what is going on and what I should do. And on a final note, the credentials of the person making such claims isn't worth that much to me. They can be mistaken or have made poor assumptions just as easily as I can. Steve G. --- On *Wed, 1/13/10, sol /sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com/* wrote: From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com Subject: Re: CSAluminum in your diet To: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 10:49 AM At 01:50 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote: If you are a man don't eat anything cooked in stainless steel. It causes prostate to swell.. Any info on why? My brother has been diagnosed with prostate cancer and I will pass this tidbit on. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org http://silverlist.org/ To post, address
Re: CSAluminum in your diet
But wouldn't it grow out then if it was in the nail itself. What is making it migrate back toward the root as the nail grows out so it stays put? My coloration has been present for about 4 years now, and looks just like it did 4 years ago. Although it started at the root and expanded (not migrated) out from there when I stopped taking the large amounts of silver it stopped changing in its darkness and placement. Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: Metals naturally go to hair and nails and grow out as part of the elimination system. Silver in an impure form is generally photo-reactive. Discoloration in the nails is not proof that there is discoloration under them..and if it grows outwards, it's in the nails, not under them. ode At 11:10 AM 1/14/2010 -0500, you wrote: The moons are gray. Initially only the moons were grey, starting at the root and progressing out. Over time it progressed until the gray actually now extends past the moons. The color is different though because the moons are pure gray, but outside the moons you have the pink underlaying the area so it appears more purplish.. Marshall Dan Nave wrote: You wrote: What part of their statement do think they got incorrect? For example, Marshall states that he got blue moons from EIS. When I looked at the pictures he posted, it appears that the area above the moons is blue, but the moons themselves are not blue... Dan On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote: Just a few minor points if I may. An opinion from a different perspective. Dispute is a pugilistic term signifying an argument. I don't know if it is intended that way. I think that an unsubstantiated claim is an opinion and an unsubstantiated counter claim is also an opinion. And yes you should feel free to express your opinion but it need not become a dispute. Relative to silver poisoning, there is a medically documented instance of silver poisoning. As I recall, the person accidentally drank a large amount of silver nitrate and died quite rapidly. Silver can also, in some instances cause a selenium deficiency that over the long term can lead to liver failure and death. It probably has never happened because the person would turn blue first and get medical help in time. If someone says they drank silver and got blue moons I believe that almost 100 percent of the time they are correct. What part of their statement do think they got incorrect? That they did not drink silver or that they do not have blue moons? It is fine if you choose to place no value on anecdotal information but your choice to not believe it does not make it not true. Regards, Steve N *From*: Steve G chube...@yahoo.com mailto:chube...@yahoo.com *To*: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent*: Wed Jan 13 18:04:28 2010 *Subject*: Re: CSAluminum in your diet How about, 'Any info that supports this claim?' My problem is that all kinds of people make all kinds of claims. If I believe someone just because they are fervent and are sincere I'll go around in circles because I hear and read things that conflict with each other. My basic stance in life that if someone makes an unsubstantiated claim, I can dispute it without any substantiation for my position. If someone presents rationale, information from a study, then I must consider their rationale or study to see if it appears to be solid before I can dispute it. There are some very fervent and sincere people on the internet pushing the notion that you can get 'silver poisoning.' I don't believe them. They have yet to provide meaningful support for their position. When someone says they drank colloidal silver and got blue moons, I don't accept it at face value. I need to know how their 'colloidal silver' was made or from whom it was acquired. I am open to the idea that perhaps someone can get blue moons from colloidal silver, but I want to know exactly how this happened so I can figure out what is going on and what I should do. And on a final note, the credentials of the person making such claims isn't worth that much to me. They can be mistaken or have made poor assumptions just as easily as I can. Steve G. --- On *Wed, 1/13/10, sol /sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com/* wrote: From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com Subject: Re: CSAluminum in your diet To: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 10:49 AM At 01:50 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote
Re: CSAluminum in your diet
But aren't these essential minerals? dee On 14 Jan 2010, at 02:24, Day Sutton wrote: On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Steve G chube...@yahoo.com wrote: How about, 'Any info that supports this claim?' You are right not to believe anything you hear or read without doing your own research. I have done some of it for you. The rest is up to you. ts? Stainless-steel is quite stable, but you need to remember that stainless-steel cookware contains alloys of nickel, chromium, molybdenum, carbon and various other metals. These metals can leech into your food, especially as your cookware gets older. http://www.independentweekly.com.au/blogs/dr-brett/how-healthy-are-your-cooking-pots/1725282.aspx --
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I am not arguing the point but I am curious. If EIS caused bluing of your fingernails the same as Marshall shows, how would you describe it to others? - Steve From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed Jan 13 21:52:09 2010 Subject: Re: CSAluminum in your diet You wrote: What part of their statement do think they got incorrect? For example, Marshall states that he got blue moons from EIS. When I looked at the pictures he posted, it appears that the area above the moons is blue, but the moons themselves are not blue... Dan On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote: Just a few minor points if I may. An opinion from a different perspective. Dispute is a pugilistic term signifying an argument. I don't know if it is intended that way. I think that an unsubstantiated claim is an opinion and an unsubstantiated counter claim is also an opinion. And yes you should feel free to express your opinion but it need not become a dispute. Relative to silver poisoning, there is a medically documented instance of silver poisoning. As I recall, the person accidentally drank a large amount of silver nitrate and died quite rapidly. Silver can also, in some instances cause a selenium deficiency that over the long term can lead to liver failure and death. It probably has never happened because the person would turn blue first and get medical help in time. If someone says they drank silver and got blue moons I believe that almost 100 percent of the time they are correct. What part of their statement do think they got incorrect? That they did not drink silver or that they do not have blue moons? It is fine if you choose to place no value on anecdotal information but your choice to not believe it does not make it not true. Regards, Steve N From: Steve G chube...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed Jan 13 18:04:28 2010 Subject: Re: CSAluminum in your diet How about, 'Any info that supports this claim?' My problem is that all kinds of people make all kinds of claims. If I believe someone just because they are fervent and are sincere I'll go around in circles because I hear and read things that conflict with each other. My basic stance in life that if someone makes an unsubstantiated claim, I can dispute it without any substantiation for my position. If someone presents rationale, information from a study, then I must consider their rationale or study to see if it appears to be solid before I can dispute it. There are some very fervent and sincere people on the internet pushing the notion that you can get 'silver poisoning.' I don't believe them. They have yet to provide meaningful support for their position. When someone says they drank colloidal silver and got blue moons, I don't accept it at face value. I need to know how their 'colloidal silver' was made or from whom it was acquired. I am open to the idea that perhaps someone can get blue moons from colloidal silver, but I want to know exactly how this happened so I can figure out what is going on and what I should do. And on a final note, the credentials of the person making such claims isn't worth that much to me. They can be mistaken or have made poor assumptions just as easily as I can. Steve G. --- On Wed, 1/13/10, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com Subject: Re: CSAluminum in your diet To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 10:49 AM At 01:50 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote: If you are a man don't eat anything cooked in stainless steel. It causes prostate to swell.. Any info on why? My brother has been diagnosed with prostate cancer and I will pass this tidbit on. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org http://silverlist.org/ To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com http://mc/compose?to=silver-l...@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com http://mc/compose?to=silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com http://mc/compose?to=mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAluminum in your diet
The moons are gray. Initially only the moons were grey, starting at the root and progressing out. Over time it progressed until the gray actually now extends past the moons. The color is different though because the moons are pure gray, but outside the moons you have the pink underlaying the area so it appears more purplish.. Marshall Dan Nave wrote: You wrote: What part of their statement do think they got incorrect? For example, Marshall states that he got blue moons from EIS. When I looked at the pictures he posted, it appears that the area above the moons is blue, but the moons themselves are not blue... Dan On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote: Just a few minor points if I may. An opinion from a different perspective. Dispute is a pugilistic term signifying an argument. I don't know if it is intended that way. I think that an unsubstantiated claim is an opinion and an unsubstantiated counter claim is also an opinion. And yes you should feel free to express your opinion but it need not become a dispute. Relative to silver poisoning, there is a medically documented instance of silver poisoning. As I recall, the person accidentally drank a large amount of silver nitrate and died quite rapidly. Silver can also, in some instances cause a selenium deficiency that over the long term can lead to liver failure and death. It probably has never happened because the person would turn blue first and get medical help in time. If someone says they drank silver and got blue moons I believe that almost 100 percent of the time they are correct. What part of their statement do think they got incorrect? That they did not drink silver or that they do not have blue moons? It is fine if you choose to place no value on anecdotal information but your choice to not believe it does not make it not true. Regards, Steve N *From*: Steve G chube...@yahoo.com mailto:chube...@yahoo.com *To*: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent*: Wed Jan 13 18:04:28 2010 *Subject*: Re: CSAluminum in your diet How about, 'Any info that supports this claim?' My problem is that all kinds of people make all kinds of claims. If I believe someone just because they are fervent and are sincere I'll go around in circles because I hear and read things that conflict with each other. My basic stance in life that if someone makes an unsubstantiated claim, I can dispute it without any substantiation for my position. If someone presents rationale, information from a study, then I must consider their rationale or study to see if it appears to be solid before I can dispute it. There are some very fervent and sincere people on the internet pushing the notion that you can get 'silver poisoning.' I don't believe them. They have yet to provide meaningful support for their position. When someone says they drank colloidal silver and got blue moons, I don't accept it at face value. I need to know how their 'colloidal silver' was made or from whom it was acquired. I am open to the idea that perhaps someone can get blue moons from colloidal silver, but I want to know exactly how this happened so I can figure out what is going on and what I should do. And on a final note, the credentials of the person making such claims isn't worth that much to me. They can be mistaken or have made poor assumptions just as easily as I can. Steve G. --- On *Wed, 1/13/10, sol /sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com/* wrote: From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com Subject: Re: CSAluminum in your diet To: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 10:49 AM At 01:50 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote: If you are a man don't eat anything cooked in stainless steel. It causes prostate to swell.. Any info on why? My brother has been diagnosed with prostate cancer and I will pass this tidbit on. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org http://silverlist.org/ To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com http://mc/compose?to=silver-l...@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com http://mc/compose?to=silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List
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Well, that clarifies it ...I think I have a purplish darkening of the area immediately above the moons but the moons look fine to me. I'm sure it is not a vascular problem, it is probably from the silver. Perhaps the moons actually are affected, but they look the same as ever to me. Dan On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: The moons are gray. Initially only the moons were grey, starting at the root and progressing out. Over time it progressed until the gray actually now extends past the moons. The color is different though because the moons are pure gray, but outside the moons you have the pink underlaying the area so it appears more purplish.. Marshall Dan Nave wrote: You wrote: What part of their statement do think they got incorrect? For example, Marshall states that he got blue moons from EIS. When I looked at the pictures he posted, it appears that the area above the moons is blue, but the moons themselves are not blue... Dan On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote: Just a few minor points if I may. An opinion from a different perspective. Dispute is a pugilistic term signifying an argument. I don't know if it is intended that way. I think that an unsubstantiated claim is an opinion and an unsubstantiated counter claim is also an opinion. And yes you should feel free to express your opinion but it need not become a dispute. Relative to silver poisoning, there is a medically documented instance of silver poisoning. As I recall, the person accidentally drank a large amount of silver nitrate and died quite rapidly. Silver can also, in some instances cause a selenium deficiency that over the long term can lead to liver failure and death. It probably has never happened because the person would turn blue first and get medical help in time. If someone says they drank silver and got blue moons I believe that almost 100 percent of the time they are correct. What part of their statement do think they got incorrect? That they did not drink silver or that they do not have blue moons? It is fine if you choose to place no value on anecdotal information but your choice to not believe it does not make it not true. Regards, Steve N *From*: Steve G chube...@yahoo.com mailto:chube...@yahoo.com *To*: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent*: Wed Jan 13 18:04:28 2010 *Subject*: Re: CSAluminum in your diet How about, 'Any info that supports this claim?' My problem is that all kinds of people make all kinds of claims. If I believe someone just because they are fervent and are sincere I'll go around in circles because I hear and read things that conflict with each other. My basic stance in life that if someone makes an unsubstantiated claim, I can dispute it without any substantiation for my position. If someone presents rationale, information from a study, then I must consider their rationale or study to see if it appears to be solid before I can dispute it. There are some very fervent and sincere people on the internet pushing the notion that you can get 'silver poisoning.' I don't believe them. They have yet to provide meaningful support for their position. When someone says they drank colloidal silver and got blue moons, I don't accept it at face value. I need to know how their 'colloidal silver' was made or from whom it was acquired. I am open to the idea that perhaps someone can get blue moons from colloidal silver, but I want to know exactly how this happened so I can figure out what is going on and what I should do. And on a final note, the credentials of the person making such claims isn't worth that much to me. They can be mistaken or have made poor assumptions just as easily as I can. Steve G. --- On *Wed, 1/13/10, sol /sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com/* wrote: From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com Subject: Re: CSAluminum in your diet To: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 10:49 AM At 01:50 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote: If you are a man don't eat anything cooked in stainless steel. It causes prostate to swell.. Any info on why? My brother has been diagnosed with prostate cancer and I will pass this tidbit on. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org http
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At 01:50 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote: If you are a man don't eat anything cooked in stainless steel. It causes prostate to swell.. Any info on why? My brother has been diagnosed with prostate cancer and I will pass this tidbit on. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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How about, 'Any info that supports this claim?' My problem is that all kinds of people make all kinds of claims. If I believe someone just because they are fervent and are sincere I'll go around in circles because I hear and read things that conflict with each other. My basic stance in life that if someone makes an unsubstantiated claim, I can dispute it without any substantiation for my position. If someone presents rationale, information from a study, then I must consider their rationale or study to see if it appears to be solid before I can dispute it. There are some very fervent and sincere people on the internet pushing the notion that you can get 'silver poisoning.' I don't believe them. They have yet to provide meaningful support for their position. When someone says they drank colloidal silver and got blue moons, I don't accept it at face value. I need to know how their 'colloidal silver' was made or from whom it was acquired. I am open to the idea that perhaps someone can get blue moons from colloidal silver, but I want to know exactly how this happened so I can figure out what is going on and what I should do. And on a final note, the credentials of the person making such claims isn't worth that much to me. They can be mistaken or have made poor assumptions just as easily as I can. Steve G. --- On Wed, 1/13/10, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com Subject: Re: CSAluminum in your diet To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 10:49 AM At 01:50 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote: If you are a man don't eat anything cooked in stainless steel. It causes prostate to swell.. Any info on why? My brother has been diagnosed with prostate cancer and I will pass this tidbit on. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Just a few minor points if I may. An opinion from a different perspective. Dispute is a pugilistic term signifying an argument. I don't know if it is intended that way. I think that an unsubstantiated claim is an opinion and an unsubstantiated counter claim is also an opinion. And yes you should feel free to express your opinion but it need not become a dispute. Relative to silver poisoning, there is a medically documented instance of silver poisoning. As I recall, the person accidentally drank a large amount of silver nitrate and died quite rapidly. Silver can also, in some instances cause a selenium deficiency that over the long term can lead to liver failure and death. It probably has never happened because the person would turn blue first and get medical help in time. If someone says they drank silver and got blue moons I believe that almost 100 percent of the time they are correct. What part of their statement do think they got incorrect? That they did not drink silver or that they do not have blue moons? It is fine if you choose to place no value on anecdotal information but your choice to not believe it does not make it not true. Regards, Steve N From: Steve G chube...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed Jan 13 18:04:28 2010 Subject: Re: CSAluminum in your diet How about, 'Any info that supports this claim?' My problem is that all kinds of people make all kinds of claims. If I believe someone just because they are fervent and are sincere I'll go around in circles because I hear and read things that conflict with each other. My basic stance in life that if someone makes an unsubstantiated claim, I can dispute it without any substantiation for my position. If someone presents rationale, information from a study, then I must consider their rationale or study to see if it appears to be solid before I can dispute it. There are some very fervent and sincere people on the internet pushing the notion that you can get 'silver poisoning.' I don't believe them. They have yet to provide meaningful support for their position. When someone says they drank colloidal silver and got blue moons, I don't accept it at face value. I need to know how their 'colloidal silver' was made or from whom it was acquired. I am open to the idea that perhaps someone can get blue moons from colloidal silver, but I want to know exactly how this happened so I can figure out what is going on and what I should do. And on a final note, the credentials of the person making such claims isn't worth that much to me. They can be mistaken or have made poor assumptions just as easily as I can. Steve G. --- On Wed, 1/13/10, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com Subject: Re: CSAluminum in your diet To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 10:49 AM At 01:50 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote: If you are a man don't eat anything cooked in stainless steel. It causes prostate to swell.. Any info on why? My brother has been diagnosed with prostate cancer and I will pass this tidbit on. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Steve G chube...@yahoo.com wrote: How about, 'Any info that supports this claim?' You are right not to believe anything you hear or read without doing your own research. I have done some of it for you. The rest is up to you. Search was for Prostate and Nickel PROSTATE PROBLEMS The prostate collects toxins, especially *nickel*, and any supply of nickel will attract bacteria. Bacteria cannot live in the prostate without nickel being present. http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990303133500 *Health effects of nickel* Nickel is a compound that occurs in the environment only at very low levels. Humans use nickel for many different applications. The most common application of nickel is the use as an ingredient of steal and other metal products. It can be found in common metal products such as jewellery. http://www.lenntech.com/periodic/elements/ni.htm *Specific Culprits Cause the Prostate to Swell * The prostate is like a garbage site and has the property of collecting trash, pollutants and toxins. For some reason the metal nickel is always drawn to the prostate. Any nickel absorbed into the body goes directly to the prostate. Examining the tissue of an enlarged prostate finds nickel prevalent. http://thebreathoflife.net/catalog/mi_chelator.php Search was for Stainless Steel and Nickel How healthy are your cooking pots? Stainless-steel is quite stable, but you need to remember that stainless-steel cookware contains alloys of nickel, chromium, molybdenum, carbon and various other metals. These metals can leech into your food, especially as your cookware gets older. http://www.independentweekly.com.au/blogs/dr-brett/how-healthy-are-your-cooking-pots/1725282.aspx -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
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WOW! Thanks very much! I will email all this info to my brother. in appreciation, sol At 07:24 PM 1/13/2010, you wrote: Search was for Prostate and Nickel PROSTATE PROBLEMS The prostate collects toxins, especially nickel, and any supply of nickel will attract bacteria. Bacteria cannot live in the prostate without nickel being present. http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990303133500http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990303133500 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Progesterone Cream Can Help Prostate Cancer Posted by: Dr. Mercola January 02 2008 | 13,439 views Dr. Mercola's Comment: I still strongly endorse progesterone, however I think the cream version has potential complications particularly by the way it accumulates and contributes to disruptions in the adrenal hormones such as DHEA, cortisol, and testosterone. I have learned that although progesterone cream is an enormously useful tool, it needs to be used very cautiously. So, if one is going to use the cream they absolutely need to be monitored with a saliva test on an annual basis. The saliva value should be below 300. I have seen numbers over 10,000 and it may take up to two years for this level to normalize as the progesterone is stored in the fat and comes out very slowly. One should not resume progesterone (in any form) until the level drops below 300 again. Highlights from my time with Dr. John Lee Well I had the great privilege of dining with Dr. Lee on Friday and lecturing with him on Saturday. I was expecting to learn some exciting new information and I was not disappointed. There are two major highlights to review. I am even more convinced now of the value of natural progesterone for women and even for men as I will discuss later. The most exciting information though has to do with progesterone's ability to PREVENT and REVERSE many cancers. The newer studies show that estrogen, specifically estradiol, does not increase the risk for breast cancer but it actually CAUSES breast cancer AND prostate cancer. There is not any debate left about this issue. All major researchers have found this The information on the prostate is new. Let me attempt to explain the relationship for prostate cancer in more detail. Men also make estrogen and estradiol, but in much lower amounts than women. The male hormone, testosterone, is antagonist to estradiol. Testosterone prevents estradiol from causing prostate cancer by destroying the prostate cancer cells it stimulates. Testosterone does NOT cause prostate cancer. If this were true 19 and 20 year old males would be developing prostate cancer as these are the individuals with the highest levels. This is obviously not the case. Males also produce progesterone, although about half as much as females do. The progesterone prevents the body from converting testosterone to di-hydro testosterone. It does this by inhibiting the enzyme 5-alpha reductase. Progesterone inhibits 5 alpha reductase far more effectively than Proscar and Saw Palmetto which are the more standard agents employed in traditonal and natural medicine. As a male ages, his progesterone level decreases just like it does in women. In women this decease occurs about the age of 35 and men about ten years later. When progesterone levels decrease, the male's 5 alpha reductase converts the testosterone to di-hydro testosterone which is useless at removing the prostate cancer cells that estradiol stimulates. Estradiol also stimulates the enlargement of the prostate. This allows the prostate gland to swell and enlarge and in many cases transform into prostate cancer. The prostate is embryologically similar to the female uterus. Prostate cancer is the NUMBER ONE cancer in men. Prostate enlargement is a major cause of problems in elderly men. It appears we now have a simple, safe inexpensive solution to prevent and treat this problem. Dr. Lee's has a large number of anecdotal stories of complete reversals of metastatic prostatic cancers. The clinical research has just begun. Dr. Lee states that there are several studies that will be published in the peer reviewed literature very shortly confirming this observation in animal studies. There is no need to wait for these studies as there is strong biochemical evidence to support this recommendation. The January 28 JAMA had an article To die or not to die? most cells in the body die through a more subtle, noninflammatory, energy-dependent form of cell death called apoptosis. Recent research into the molecular mechanisms of apoptosis has revealed that apoptosis is a genetically programmed process that can become deranged when the components of the cellular apoptotic machinery are mutated or present in inappropriate quantities. Dysregulation of apoptosis is associated with the cause of a wide array of diseases: cancer, neurodegeneration, autoimmunity, heart disease, and other disorders. All cells, with the exception of brain and muscle cells, multiply continuously. The genes which regulates this cell growth are p53 and bcl2 . If the gene bcl2 dominates it will push cells to cancer. If gene p53 dominates the opposite will occur and the cell growth is controlled and the cancer do not occur. The article clearly shows that traditional chemotherapy using poisons to stop cell hyperplasia do not work as they kill normal cells easier than cancer cells. The new idea promoted by the review is to find agents that activate p53 and deactivate bc12 is the hope for curing
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You wrote: What part of their statement do think they got incorrect? For example, Marshall states that he got blue moons from EIS. When I looked at the pictures he posted, it appears that the area above the moons is blue, but the moons themselves are not blue... Dan On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.comwrote: Just a few minor points if I may. An opinion from a different perspective. Dispute is a pugilistic term signifying an argument. I don't know if it is intended that way. I think that an unsubstantiated claim is an opinion and an unsubstantiated counter claim is also an opinion. And yes you should feel free to express your opinion but it need not become a dispute. Relative to silver poisoning, there is a medically documented instance of silver poisoning. As I recall, the person accidentally drank a large amount of silver nitrate and died quite rapidly. Silver can also, in some instances cause a selenium deficiency that over the long term can lead to liver failure and death. It probably has never happened because the person would turn blue first and get medical help in time. If someone says they drank silver and got blue moons I believe that almost 100 percent of the time they are correct. What part of their statement do think they got incorrect? That they did not drink silver or that they do not have blue moons? It is fine if you choose to place no value on anecdotal information but your choice to not believe it does not make it not true. Regards, Steve N -- *From*: Steve G chube...@yahoo.com *To*: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent*: Wed Jan 13 18:04:28 2010 *Subject*: Re: CSAluminum in your diet How about, 'Any info that supports this claim?' My problem is that all kinds of people make all kinds of claims. If I believe someone just because they are fervent and are sincere I'll go around in circles because I hear and read things that conflict with each other. My basic stance in life that if someone makes an unsubstantiated claim, I can dispute it without any substantiation for my position. If someone presents rationale, information from a study, then I must consider their rationale or study to see if it appears to be solid before I can dispute it. There are some very fervent and sincere people on the internet pushing the notion that you can get 'silver poisoning.' I don't believe them. They have yet to provide meaningful support for their position. When someone says they drank colloidal silver and got blue moons, I don't accept it at face value. I need to know how their 'colloidal silver' was made or from whom it was acquired. I am open to the idea that perhaps someone can get blue moons from colloidal silver, but I want to know exactly how this happened so I can figure out what is going on and what I should do. And on a final note, the credentials of the person making such claims isn't worth that much to me. They can be mistaken or have made poor assumptions just as easily as I can. Steve G. --- On *Wed, 1/13/10, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com* wrote: From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com Subject: Re: CSAluminum in your diet To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 10:49 AM At 01:50 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote: If you are a man don't eat anything cooked in stainless steel. It causes prostate to swell.. Any info on why? My brother has been diagnosed with prostate cancer and I will pass this tidbit on. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=silver-l...@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=mdev...@eskimo.com
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My daughter has blue moons and has had for a long time. I was beginning to get them but not as bad. We both had mercury and believe that contributed to this condition. She drank way too much CS so I believe the metals or metals could not cooperate. i am going to get her some more selenium. She has taken some but don't think we placed much importance on it. Got any other suggestions? Leslie - Original Message - From: Dan Nave To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:52 PM Subject: Re: CSAluminum in your diet You wrote: What part of their statement do think they got incorrect? For example, Marshall states that he got blue moons from EIS. When I looked at the pictures he posted, it appears that the area above the moons is blue, but the moons themselves are not blue... Dan On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote: Just a few minor points if I may. An opinion from a different perspective. Dispute is a pugilistic term signifying an argument. I don't know if it is intended that way. I think that an unsubstantiated claim is an opinion and an unsubstantiated counter claim is also an opinion. And yes you should feel free to express your opinion but it need not become a dispute. Relative to silver poisoning, there is a medically documented instance of silver poisoning. As I recall, the person accidentally drank a large amount of silver nitrate and died quite rapidly. Silver can also, in some instances cause a selenium deficiency that over the long term can lead to liver failure and death. It probably has never happened because the person would turn blue first and get medical help in time. If someone says they drank silver and got blue moons I believe that almost 100 percent of the time they are correct. What part of their statement do think they got incorrect? That they did not drink silver or that they do not have blue moons? It is fine if you choose to place no value on anecdotal information but your choice to not believe it does not make it not true. Regards, Steve N From: Steve G chube...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed Jan 13 18:04:28 2010 Subject: Re: CSAluminum in your diet How about, 'Any info that supports this claim?' My problem is that all kinds of people make all kinds of claims. If I believe someone just because they are fervent and are sincere I'll go around in circles because I hear and read things that conflict with each other. My basic stance in life that if someone makes an unsubstantiated claim, I can dispute it without any substantiation for my position. If someone presents rationale, information from a study, then I must consider their rationale or study to see if it appears to be solid before I can dispute it. There are some very fervent and sincere people on the internet pushing the notion that you can get 'silver poisoning.' I don't believe them. They have yet to provide meaningful support for their position. When someone says they drank colloidal silver and got blue moons, I don't accept it at face value. I need to know how their 'colloidal silver' was made or from whom it was acquired. I am open to the idea that perhaps someone can get blue moons from colloidal silver, but I want to know exactly how this happened so I can figure out what is going on and what I should do. And on a final note, the credentials of the person making such claims isn't worth that much to me. They can be mistaken or have made poor assumptions just as easily as I can. Steve G. --- On Wed, 1/13/10, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com Subject: Re: CSAluminum in your diet To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 10:49 AM At 01:50 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote: If you are a man don't eat anything cooked in stainless steel. It causes prostate to swell.. Any info on why? My brother has been diagnosed with prostate cancer and I will pass this tidbit on. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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That is very interesting, but he doesn't say anything about women premenopause, in menopause, or post menopause. That is frustrating! Annie Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. (Sign hanging in Einstein's office at Princeton) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Iodine and magnesium help detox mercury, and a lot of other stuff. Annie Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. (Sign hanging in Einstein's office at Princeton) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Huh? I never said it was ok to cook in either. You need to read the emails more closely. Marshall John E. Stevens wrote: Marshall: Teflon is a no-no for cooking, period. So is cooking in aluminum. Where did you ever get the idea that it's okay to cook in this garbage? Yes to stainless and stove top glass, but Teflon and aluminum - who are you trying to infect? John On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:53 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: Well -- there ya go!! Thanks Marshall. MA *From:* Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thu, January 7, 2010 10:30:41 AM *Subject:* CSAluminum in your diet http://www.hints-n-tips.com/aluminum.htm The following additives contain aluminium compounds: E173, E520, E521, E523 E541, E545, E554, E555 E556, E559. Antacids quite often contain aluminum trisilicate as does buffered aspirin. Foods containing aluminium based additives include dry cake mixes, pastries and croissants made from frozen dough, processed cheeses, some donuts and waffles, check muffins for E541 (sodium aluminum phosphate), and food coloring. The list of substances containing aluminium salts is quite depressing, it even includes *toothpaste*!, especially tooth whitening products. The use of aluminum in drinking water is starting to be looked at in Canada and Australia, most utilities in Europe and the United States do exceed the recommended level of 100 microgrammes per litre, some by as much as *sixty times!* Another obvious and easily avoided source is aluminum cooking pots and pans, this can be quite easily remedied by using enamelled, stainless steel and cast iron pots. Cooking in earthenware and glass containers is another option. There is no need to throw out all of your aluminium pots, it is OK to fry food in aluminium pans and intact Teflon, non-stick coatings will effectively prevent any contamination. http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts22.html * Virtually all food, water, air, and soil contain some aluminum. * The average adult in the U.S. eats about 7-9 mg aluminum per day in their food. * Breathing higher levels of aluminum dust in workplace air. * Living in areas where the air is dusty, where aluminum is mined or processed into aluminum metal, near certain hazardous waste sites, or where aluminum is naturally high. * Eating substances containing high levels of aluminum (such as antacids) especially when eating or drinking citrus products at the same time. * Children and adults may be exposed to small amounts of aluminum from vaccinations. * Very little enters your body from aluminum cooking utensils. http://www.holisticvetpetcare.com/pdf/Heavy_Metal_Posion_Hair_Analysis-4.pdf This site has some good information on it and lists foods that contain significant aluminum. Rice, wheat, beef, chicken, pork, radishes and potatoes all contain significant amounts of aluminum, and carrot leaf contains large amounts. Unfortunately I am unable to copy from the page. Apparently if you want an aluminum free diet about all you can consume is distilled water, and pure chemicals such as salt, cream of tarter, citric acid and sodium bicarbonate. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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If you are a man don't eat anything cooked in stainless steel. It causes prostate to swell.. On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.comwrote: Huh? I never said it was ok to cook in either. You need to read the emails more closely. Marshall John E. Stevens wrote: Marshall: Teflon is a no-no for cooking, period. So is cooking in aluminum. Where did you ever get the idea that it's okay to cook in this garbage? Yes to stainless and stove top glass, but Teflon and aluminum - who are you trying to infect? John On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:53 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.netmailto: marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: Well -- there ya go!! Thanks Marshall. MA *From:* Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thu, January 7, 2010 10:30:41 AM *Subject:* CSAluminum in your diet http://www.hints-n-tips.com/aluminum.htm The following additives contain aluminium compounds: E173, E520, E521, E523 E541, E545, E554, E555 E556, E559. Antacids quite often contain aluminum trisilicate as does buffered aspirin. Foods containing aluminium based additives include dry cake mixes, pastries and croissants made from frozen dough, processed cheeses, some donuts and waffles, check muffins for E541 (sodium aluminum phosphate), and food coloring. The list of substances containing aluminium salts is quite depressing, it even includes*toothpaste*!, especially tooth whitening products. The use of aluminum in drinking water is starting to be looked at in Canada and Australia, most utilities in Europe and the United States do exceed the recommended level of 100 microgrammes per litre, some by as much as *sixty times!* Another obvious and easily avoided source is aluminum cooking pots and pans, this can be quite easily remedied by using enamelled, stainless steel and cast iron pots. Cooking in earthenware and glass containers is another option. There is no need to throw out all of your aluminium pots, it is OK to fry food in aluminium pans and intact Teflon, non-stick coatings will effectively prevent any contamination. http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts22.html * Virtually all food, water, air, and soil contain some aluminum. * The average adult in the U.S. eats about 7-9 mg aluminum per day in their food. * Breathing higher levels of aluminum dust in workplace air. * Living in areas where the air is dusty, where aluminum is mined or processed into aluminum metal, near certain hazardous waste sites, or where aluminum is naturally high. * Eating substances containing high levels of aluminum (such as antacids) especially when eating or drinking citrus products at the same time. * Children and adults may be exposed to small amounts of aluminum from vaccinations. * Very little enters your body from aluminum cooking utensils. http://www.holisticvetpetcare.com/pdf/Heavy_Metal_Posion_Hair_Analysis-4.pdf This site has some good information on it and lists foods that contain significant aluminum. Rice, wheat, beef, chicken, pork, radishes and potatoes all contain significant amounts of aluminum, and carrot leaf contains large amounts. Unfortunately I am unable to copy from the page. Apparently if you want an aluminum free diet about all you can consume is distilled water, and pure chemicals such as salt, cream of tarter, citric acid and sodium bicarbonate. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
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This gets laughable. Are we having a group psycho experiment? Chuck I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman,Where's the self-help section? She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose. On 1/11/2010 3:50:14 PM, Day Sutton (day.sut...@gmail.com) wrote: If you are a man don't eat anything cooked in stainless steel. It causes prostate to swell.. On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com [link: mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] wrote: Huh? I never said it was ok to cook in either. You need to read the emails more closely. Marshall John E. Stevens wrote: Marshall: Teflon is a no-no for cooking, period. So is cooking in aluminum. Where did you ever get the idea that it's okay to cook in this garbage? Yes to stainless and stove top glass, but Teflon and aluminum - who are you trying to infect? John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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You get what you pay for Trem, but unfortunately I just could not afford to spend that much on cook ware, although I really wish I could, although I hate cooking! dee On 7 Jan 2010, at 19:45, TREM wrote: Hi Dee, Yes but worth it considering it cannot be scratched and does not put any of the coating into the food and should outlast me. Can't say that for the stainless Revere ware pots we're tossing out because of the surface leaching. trem
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I like cooking, but I prefer my cast iron. I even have a humungous roaster big enough to hold a 25 lb turkey, LOL. Now that one is heavy. And several large deep skillets. I need a larger dutch oven/soup pot though. Annie If we could sell our experiences for what they cost us, we'd all be millionaires. Abigail Van Buren Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: You get what you pay for Trem, but unfortunately I just could not afford to spend that much on cook ware, although I really wish I could, although I hate cooking! dee On 7 Jan 2010, at 19:45, TREM wrote: Hi Dee, Yes but worth it considering it cannot be scratched and does not put any of the coating into the food and should outlast me. Can't say that for the stainless Revere ware pots we're tossing out because of the surface leaching. trem -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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http://www.hints-n-tips.com/aluminum.htm The following additives contain aluminium compounds: E173, E520, E521, E523 E541, E545, E554, E555 E556, E559. Antacids quite often contain aluminum trisilicate as does buffered aspirin. Foods containing aluminium based additives include dry cake mixes, pastries and croissants made from frozen dough, processed cheeses, some donuts and waffles, check muffins for E541 (sodium aluminum phosphate), and food coloring. The list of substances containing aluminium salts is quite depressing, it even includes *toothpaste*!, especially tooth whitening products. The use of aluminum in drinking water is starting to be looked at in Canada and Australia, most utilities in Europe and the United States do exceed the recommended level of 100 microgrammes per litre, some by as much as *sixty times!* Another obvious and easily avoided source is aluminum cooking pots and pans, this can be quite easily remedied by using enamelled, stainless steel and cast iron pots. Cooking in earthenware and glass containers is another option. There is no need to throw out all of your aluminium pots, it is OK to fry food in aluminium pans and intact Teflon, non-stick coatings will effectively prevent any contamination. http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts22.html * Virtually all food, water, air, and soil contain some aluminum. * The average adult in the U.S. eats about 7-9 mg aluminum per day in their food. * Breathing higher levels of aluminum dust in workplace air. * Living in areas where the air is dusty, where aluminum is mined or processed into aluminum metal, near certain hazardous waste sites, or where aluminum is naturally high. * Eating substances containing high levels of aluminum (such as antacids) especially when eating or drinking citrus products at the same time. * Children and adults may be exposed to small amounts of aluminum from vaccinations. * Very little enters your body from aluminum cooking utensils. http://www.holisticvetpetcare.com/pdf/Heavy_Metal_Posion_Hair_Analysis-4.pdf This site has some good information on it and lists foods that contain significant aluminum. Rice, wheat, beef, chicken, pork, radishes and potatoes all contain significant amounts of aluminum, and carrot leaf contains large amounts. Unfortunately I am unable to copy from the page. Apparently if you want an aluminum free diet about all you can consume is distilled water, and pure chemicals such as salt, cream of tarter, citric acid and sodium bicarbonate. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Well -- there ya go!! Thanks Marshall. MA From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, January 7, 2010 10:30:41 AM Subject: CSAluminum in your diet http://www.hints-n-tips.com/aluminum.htm The following additives contain aluminium compounds: E173, E520, E521, E523 E541, E545, E554, E555 E556, E559. Antacids quite often contain aluminum trisilicate as does buffered aspirin. Foods containing aluminium based additives include dry cake mixes, pastries and croissants made from frozen dough, processed cheeses, some donuts and waffles, check muffins for E541 (sodium aluminum phosphate), and food coloring. The list of substances containing aluminium salts is quite depressing, it even includes *toothpaste*!, especially tooth whitening products. The use of aluminum in drinking water is starting to be looked at in Canada and Australia, most utilities in Europe and the United States do exceed the recommended level of 100 microgrammes per litre, some by as much as *sixty times!* Another obvious and easily avoided source is aluminum cooking pots and pans, this can be quite easily remedied by using enamelled, stainless steel and cast iron pots. Cooking in earthenware and glass containers is another option. There is no need to throw out all of your aluminium pots, it is OK to fry food in aluminium pans and intact Teflon, non-stick coatings will effectively prevent any contamination. http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts22.html * Virtually all food, water, air, and soil contain some aluminum. * The average adult in the U.S. eats about 7-9 mg aluminum per day in their food. * Breathing higher levels of aluminum dust in workplace air. * Living in areas where the air is dusty, where aluminum is mined or processed into aluminum metal, near certain hazardous waste sites, or where aluminum is naturally high. * Eating substances containing high levels of aluminum (such as antacids) especially when eating or drinking citrus products at the same time. * Children and adults may be exposed to small amounts of aluminum from vaccinations. * Very little enters your body from aluminum cooking utensils. http://www.holisticvetpetcare.com/pdf/Heavy_Metal_Posion_Hair_Analysis-4.pdf This site has some good information on it and lists foods that contain significant aluminum. Rice, wheat, beef, chicken, pork, radishes and potatoes all contain significant amounts of aluminum, and carrot leaf contains large amounts. Unfortunately I am unable to copy from the page. Apparently if you want an aluminum free diet about all you can consume is distilled water, and pure chemicals such as salt, cream of tarter, citric acid and sodium bicarbonate. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAluminum in your diet
Marshall: Teflon is a no-no for cooking, period. So is cooking in aluminum. Where did you ever get the idea that it's okay to cook in this garbage? Yes to stainless and stove top glass, but Teflon and aluminum - who are you trying to infect? John On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:53 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.netwrote: Well -- there ya go!! Thanks Marshall. MA -- *From:* Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thu, January 7, 2010 10:30:41 AM *Subject:* CSAluminum in your diet http://www.hints-n-tips.com/aluminum.htm The following additives contain aluminium compounds: E173, E520, E521, E523 E541, E545, E554, E555 E556, E559. Antacids quite often contain aluminum trisilicate as does buffered aspirin. Foods containing aluminium based additives include dry cake mixes, pastries and croissants made from frozen dough, processed cheeses, some donuts and waffles, check muffins for E541 (sodium aluminum phosphate), and food coloring. The list of substances containing aluminium salts is quite depressing, it even includes *toothpaste*!, especially tooth whitening products. The use of aluminum in drinking water is starting to be looked at in Canada and Australia, most utilities in Europe and the United States do exceed the recommended level of 100 microgrammes per litre, some by as much as *sixty times!* Another obvious and easily avoided source is aluminum cooking pots and pans, this can be quite easily remedied by using enamelled, stainless steel and cast iron pots. Cooking in earthenware and glass containers is another option. There is no need to throw out all of your aluminium pots, it is OK to fry food in aluminium pans and intact Teflon, non-stick coatings will effectively prevent any contamination. http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts22.html * Virtually all food, water, air, and soil contain some aluminum. * The average adult in the U.S. eats about 7-9 mg aluminum per day in their food. * Breathing higher levels of aluminum dust in workplace air. * Living in areas where the air is dusty, where aluminum is mined or processed into aluminum metal, near certain hazardous waste sites, or where aluminum is naturally high. * Eating substances containing high levels of aluminum (such as antacids) especially when eating or drinking citrus products at the same time. * Children and adults may be exposed to small amounts of aluminum from vaccinations. * Very little enters your body from aluminum cooking utensils. http://www.holisticvetpetcare.com/pdf/Heavy_Metal_Posion_Hair_Analysis-4.pdf This site has some good information on it and lists foods that contain significant aluminum. Rice, wheat, beef, chicken, pork, radishes and potatoes all contain significant amounts of aluminum, and carrot leaf contains large amounts. Unfortunately I am unable to copy from the page. Apparently if you want an aluminum free diet about all you can consume is distilled water, and pure chemicals such as salt, cream of tarter, citric acid and sodium bicarbonate. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAluminum in your diet
We use ScanPan which is an aluminum base coated with ceramic-titanium and it is bulletproof (scratchproof), non leaching, etc. See http://www.scanpancookware.com/pages/scanpan-background-pv-c0-6.html?zenid=912ea30ad854e55b20c7e18834851dee Trem - Original Message - From: John E. Stevens To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:17 AM Subject: Re: CSAluminum in your diet Marshall: Teflon is a no-no for cooking, period. So is cooking in aluminum. Where did you ever get the idea that it's okay to cook in this garbage? Yes to stainless and stove top glass, but Teflon and aluminum - who are you trying to infect? John On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:53 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: Well -- there ya go!! Thanks Marshall. MA From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, January 7, 2010 10:30:41 AM Subject: CSAluminum in your diet http://www.hints-n-tips.com/aluminum.htm The following additives contain aluminium compounds: E173, E520, E521, E523 E541, E545, E554, E555 E556, E559. Antacids quite often contain aluminum trisilicate as does buffered aspirin. Foods containing aluminium based additives include dry cake mixes, pastries and croissants made from frozen dough, processed cheeses, some donuts and waffles, check muffins for E541 (sodium aluminum phosphate), and food coloring. The list of substances containing aluminium salts is quite depressing, it even includes *toothpaste*!, especially tooth whitening products. The use of aluminum in drinking water is starting to be looked at in Canada and Australia, most utilities in Europe and the United States do exceed the recommended level of 100 microgrammes per litre, some by as much as *sixty times!* Another obvious and easily avoided source is aluminum cooking pots and pans, this can be quite easily remedied by using enamelled, stainless steel and cast iron pots. Cooking in earthenware and glass containers is another option. There is no need to throw out all of your aluminium pots, it is OK to fry food in aluminium pans and intact Teflon, non-stick coatings will effectively prevent any contamination. http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts22.html * Virtually all food, water, air, and soil contain some aluminum. * The average adult in the U.S. eats about 7-9 mg aluminum per day in their food. * Breathing higher levels of aluminum dust in workplace air. * Living in areas where the air is dusty, where aluminum is mined or processed into aluminum metal, near certain hazardous waste sites, or where aluminum is naturally high. * Eating substances containing high levels of aluminum (such as antacids) especially when eating or drinking citrus products at the same time. * Children and adults may be exposed to small amounts of aluminum from vaccinations. * Very little enters your body from aluminum cooking utensils. http://www.holisticvetpetcare.com/pdf/Heavy_Metal_Posion_Hair_Analysis-4.pdf This site has some good information on it and lists foods that contain significant aluminum. Rice, wheat, beef, chicken, pork, radishes and potatoes all contain significant amounts of aluminum, and carrot leaf contains large amounts. Unfortunately I am unable to copy from the page. Apparently if you want an aluminum free diet about all you can consume is distilled water, and pure chemicals such as salt, cream of tarter, citric acid and sodium bicarbonate. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAluminum in your diet
The problem is not just the aluminum. Fluoride picks up the aluminum and carries it past the blood brain barrier so that it accumulates in the brain. That's the bigger threat. And all these foods with aluminum and are prepared with fluoridated water have fluoride in them, as well as fluoride that people absorb through tap water from municipal water supplies. Annie If we could sell our experiences for what they cost us, we'd all be millionaires. Abigail Van Buren Marshall Dudley wrote: http://www.hints-n-tips.com/aluminum.htm The following additives contain aluminium compounds: E173, E520, E521, E523 E541, E545, E554, E555 E556, E559. Antacids quite often contain aluminum trisilicate as does buffered aspirin. Foods containing aluminium based additives include dry cake mixes, pastries and croissants made from frozen dough, processed cheeses, some donuts and waffles, check muffins for E541 (sodium aluminum phosphate), and food coloring. The list of substances containing aluminium salts is quite depressing, it even includes *toothpaste*!, especially tooth whitening products. The use of aluminum in drinking water is starting to be looked at in Canada and Australia, most utilities in Europe and the United States do exceed the recommended level of 100 microgrammes per litre, some by as much as *sixty times!* Another obvious and easily avoided source is aluminum cooking pots and pans, this can be quite easily remedied by using enamelled, stainless steel and cast iron pots. Cooking in earthenware and glass containers is another option. There is no need to throw out all of your aluminium pots, it is OK to fry food in aluminium pans and intact Teflon, non-stick coatings will effectively prevent any contamination. http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts22.html * Virtually all food, water, air, and soil contain some aluminum. * The average adult in the U.S. eats about 7-9 mg aluminum per day in their food. * Breathing higher levels of aluminum dust in workplace air. * Living in areas where the air is dusty, where aluminum is mined or processed into aluminum metal, near certain hazardous waste sites, or where aluminum is naturally high. * Eating substances containing high levels of aluminum (such as antacids) especially when eating or drinking citrus products at the same time. * Children and adults may be exposed to small amounts of aluminum from vaccinations. * Very little enters your body from aluminum cooking utensils. http://www.holisticvetpetcare.com/pdf/Heavy_Metal_Posion_Hair_Analysis-4.pdf This site has some good information on it and lists foods that contain significant aluminum. Rice, wheat, beef, chicken, pork, radishes and potatoes all contain significant amounts of aluminum, and carrot leaf contains large amounts. Unfortunately I am unable to copy from the page. Apparently if you want an aluminum free diet about all you can consume is distilled water, and pure chemicals such as salt, cream of tarter, citric acid and sodium bicarbonate. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAluminum in your diet
A bit pricey though Trem? dee On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:31, TREM wrote: We use ScanPan which is an aluminum base coated with ceramic-titanium and it is bulletproof (scratchproof), non leaching, etc. Seehttp://www.scanpancookware.com/pages/scanpan-background-pv-c0-6.html?zenid=912ea30ad854e55b20c7e18834851dee Trem
Re: CSAluminum in your diet
Yeaho, that's what I thought Dee, LOL. I'll stick with my cast iron, and my enamel ware. Annie If we could sell our experiences for what they cost us, we'd all be millionaires. Abigail Van Buren Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: A bit pricey though Trem? dee On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:31, TREM wrote: We use ScanPan which is an aluminum base coated with ceramic-titanium and it is bulletproof (scratchproof), non leaching, etc. Seehttp://www.scanpancookware.com/pages/scanpan-background-pv-c0-6.html?zenid=912ea30ad854e55b20c7e18834851dee Trem -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAluminum in your diet
Hi Dee, Yes but worth it considering it cannot be scratched and does not put any of the coating into the food and should outlast me. Can't say that for the stainless Revere ware pots we're tossing out because of the surface leaching. trem - Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: CSAluminum in your diet A bit pricey though Trem? dee On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:31, TREM wrote: We use ScanPan which is an aluminum base coated with ceramic-titanium and it is bulletproof (scratchproof), non leaching, etc. Seehttp://www.scanpancookware.com/pages/scanpan-background-pv-c0-6.html?zenid=912ea30ad854e55b20c7e18834851dee Trem
Re: CSAluminum in your diet
I've managed to put together a nice selection of Visionware -- glass pots and pans. Have been very happy with them. We do have some cast iron and enamelware, but the cast iron is too heavy, and the enamelware stains. MA From: Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, January 7, 2010 12:55:42 PM Subject: Re: CSAluminum in your diet Yeaho, that's what I thought Dee, LOL. I'll stick with my cast iron, and my enamel ware. Annie If we could sell our experiences for what they cost us, we'd all be millionaires. Abigail Van Buren Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: A bit pricey though Trem? dee On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:31, TREM wrote: We use ScanPan which is an aluminum base coated with ceramic-titanium and it is bulletproof (scratchproof), non leaching, etc. Seehttp://www.scanpancookware.com/pages/scanpan-background-pv-c0-6.html?zenid=912ea30ad854e55b20c7e18834851dee Trem -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAluminum in your diet
At 12:45 PM 1/7/2010, you wrote: Hi Dee, Yes but worth it considering it cannot be scratched and does not put any of the coating into the food and should outlast me. Can't say that for the stainless Revere ware pots we're tossing out because of the surface leaching. Yes, I would have gone with Scanpan if I could have afforded it. It looked like a wonderful product, but too expensive for us. I just checked their website again (thanks for the link) and they have changed to a lid with a Stainless Steel rim, which I am disappointed to see. I cannot use either SS or iron to cook in, so I went with anodized aluminum with anodized aluminum lids. It is now rather difficult to find even anodized aluminum cookware without SS lids or glass lids with SS rims. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
