Re: [Biofuel] Illegal Immigration: The Treason Lobby

[Mike Weaver]

*A LITTLE*?

If your name isn't Running Deer I don't want to hear you whining about 
immigration...
besides, they said the same thing about Irish, Italians, Poles and 
Jews.  Old whine in a new bottle.

Jason Katie wrote:

sounds a little aryan/survivalist/militant to me.

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Interesting article

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Re: [Biofuel] Illegal Immigration: The Treason Lobby

[bob allen]

So Marylynn, if this was the position taken before european immigration 
to the western hemisphere, where would you be today?

Marylynn Schmidt wrote:
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Re: [Biofuel] Illegal Immigration: The Treason Lobby

[bob allen]

sounds downright racist to me.

They are not Western; they are of Aztlan...

Just look at the ethnic composition of Mexicans. Other than a small 
upper class of pure European blood, the vast majority of Mexicans are 
either Amerindian or Mestizos (mostly Amerindian with a few drops of 
Spaniard, or African, blood). In short, they are not European. They are 
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 sounds a little aryan/survivalist/militant to me.
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Illegal Immigration: The Treason Lobby

[Mike Weaver]

Actually, one could argue convincingly that it's a Republican (or 
whatever they are now) movement - our balance of trade deficit has 
balloned up Bush to the highest
levels ever and we're borrowing more abroad than ever.

DHAJOGLO wrote:

Hey, at least its a bipartisan movement towards, what was it?, liberal 
internationalism.  What would be the opposite?  Conservative Isolationism?  I 
don't think China would allow us to become isolationists since we're they're 
number one customer!  hahaha.  Man, I feel like I'm starting to sound like 
Weaver!

  

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Re: [Biofuel] qulity tests help please

[Joe Street]

Hi Golan;

Thanks for the kind words. I don't have any data of my own yet on the
limits with water in methanol, because I have not yet done the
experiments to find those limits. So far I just do everything possible
to eliminate water. I think others have said you should have less than
1 or 2% water. To dry the methanol you could use 3A molecular seives.
You have to regenerate the seives with heat or heat and vacuum each
time they adsorb the water. I am not sure if the castor oil method
works for methanol but I am about to test that. Check on journet to
forever for other ideas on drying alcohol. I understand corn woks for
ethanol. Maybe it works for methanol too? I can use my reactor to
double or triple vacuum distill my recovered methanol and get pretty
high purity but the process is wasteful of energy and time and I don't
want to get into that.


Cheers
Joe

Golan Shmuel wrote:

  hi Joe
  i salute u for your beautiful site
  brilliant
  to your knowledge does methanol purity has standard or when
does it starts to be problem how much (%)water?
  how u get the water out if u have to much with out getting parts
of u all around?
  blessings
  Golan
  
  

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wrote:
  
Hi Golan;

I got the hydrometer for $CDN 15.00 from a lab supply yes. If you do
the same calibration method as me you can do it at any termperature.
Just make sure the temperature( of the liquids!) is known and is not
changing. Now the temps are dropping and my lab temperature is about 20
so I may make another chart soon too.


Cheers.
Joe

Golan Shmuel wrote:

  
  thanks Joe
  u r living in Paradise it was 40c today  that's the
beginning of the atum i can try at night thow 27c if i will wait aweek
or two
  and all that if i can get that hydrometer of yours
laboratory's supply?
  is it expensive?
  all the best
  Golan
  

  On 26/09/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
  
Hi Golan;

You can use a hydrometer in the range of 0.7 to 0.9 to measure the
specific gravity of your methanol. The hydrometers are usually
calibrated for 16 degrees C though so measuring at room temperature
will result in a lower reading. What I did was get some very pure
methanol and some water and let them sit at the ambient temperature and
then acurrately measure small amounts of water and add to a measured
amont of methanol. Take the readings and make a graph to show the
percentage water ( volume /volume) at the temperature you are working
at. Then you can use the hydrometer as a gauge of your water content.
This may not be perfectly accurate but will be good enough to tell you
if your methanol is contaminated. If you have a temperature close to
23 degrees you can use my data, it is here: 

http://www.nonprofitfuel.ca/Reactor.html

Best regards.
Joe


Golan Shmuel wrote:

  hi tom
  
   Causes of soap:
  
  

 1. Water in
oil/chemicals used
2.Too much caustic
 3. Glycerine
contamination

- Is youroil dry/your
chemicals pure?
- Careful titration,
calculations, measurement of caustic
- Do you allow the
glycerine mix to settle out for 8 hrs?

  
  
  since my caustic is 99% pure at list day say so and i
let the glycerin mix to settle for
  24-48 hrs.
  i titrated every batch at list twice, got good scale.
  that lives us with water in oil or in methanol
  i let the oil to settle for at list week or two before
processing and titration values around 1 
  it may be methanol 
  any idea how to check methanol for water??
  
  thanks alot
  Golan
  
  
  
  



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  hi
  
  any explanation for passing methanol tests perfectly
  
  but steal having third layer 3-4 mm in the wash tests
  happened to me in 3 last batch's
  
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Re: [Biofuel] Illegal Immigration: The Treason Lobby

[DHAJOGLO]

Mike,
I just thought it was funny that the author actually indicted a few 
republicans rather than just try to blame the the whole thing on the bleeding 
heart lets-give-the-country-away-to-brown-people liberals!

On Thursday, September 28, 2006  8:17 AM, Mike Weaver wrote:
Actually, one could argue convincingly that it's a Republican (or
whatever they are now) movement - our balance of trade deficit has
balloned up Bush to the highest
levels ever and we're borrowing more abroad than ever.

DHAJOGLO wrote:

Hey, at least its a bipartisan movement towards, what was it?, liberal 
internationalism.  What would be the opposite?  Conservative Isolationism?  
I don't think China would allow us to become isolationists since we're 
they're number one customer!  hahaha.  Man, I feel like I'm starting to sound 
like Weaver!



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Re: [Biofuel] Illegal Immigration: The Treason Lobby

[Marylynn Schmidt]

Sorry .. I didn't post a position.

I found the article INTERESTING!!

If you truly want to know what I think about the article I would have to 
tell you that something like that is written to cause a reaction, not 
thought.

My guess is that those who wrote and published it would not want you to stop 
and think about it.. they would want you to react in the way they are trying 
to lead you .. strand up, march to the borders and start shooting.

I really don't want to shoot anybody today.

Hope that helps you, bob.

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From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:03:15 -0500

So Marylynn, if this was the position taken before european immigration
to the western hemisphere, where would you be today?

Marylynn Schmidt wrote:
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[Biofuel] Massive Yet Tiny

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Welcome to Angel Labs
 

The MYT™ (Massive Yet Tiny) Engine, is a breakthrough of 
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Re: [Biofuel] Illegal Immigration: The Treason Lobby

[Kirk McLoren]

You obviously havent spoken with a member of the Aztlan movement.  It is a fictitious concept - false history - but that doesnt stop them from believing.The problem is corporations - they want slave labor. The corporate owners dont live there.  Just like the "free trade" agreement. More for the wealthy It is class warfare. And no - I am not a Bolshi or Trotskeyite etc.  The transfer of wealth is going to destroy society if something doesnt level the playing field soon.KirkJason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  sounds a little aryan/survivalist/militant to me.JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message - From: "Marylynn Schmidt"
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Re: [Biofuel] Illegal Immigration: The Treason Lobby

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Every dog has his day -  and good dogs get two.  ;)  Kirkbob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  So Marylynn, if this was the position taken before european immigration to the western hemisphere, where would you be today?Marylynn Schmidt wrote: Interesting article  Blankhttp://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=159963  Mary Lynn Schmidt___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org  Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html  Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000
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Re: [Biofuel] Illegal Immigration: The Treason Lobby

[Mike Weaver]

It was a brown country before we got here

DHAJOGLO wrote:

Mike,
I just thought it was funny that the author actually indicted a few 
 republicans rather than just try to blame the the whole thing on the bleeding 
 heart lets-give-the-country-away-to-brown-people liberals!

On Thursday, September 28, 2006  8:17 AM, Mike Weaver wrote:
  

Actually, one could argue convincingly that it's a Republican (or
whatever they are now) movement - our balance of trade deficit has
balloned up Bush to the highest
levels ever and we're borrowing more abroad than ever.

DHAJOGLO wrote:



Hey, at least its a bipartisan movement towards, what was it?, liberal 
internationalism.  What would be the opposite?  Conservative Isolationism?  
I don't think China would allow us to become isolationists since we're 
they're number one customer!  hahaha.  Man, I feel like I'm starting to 
sound like Weaver!
  




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Re: [Biofuel] Real Big Brother

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Re: [Biofuel] Illegal Immigration: The Treason Lobby

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Aztlan doesnt want to immigrate.  They want your white skin out of town. They are serious and if you underestimate them it will go hard on you.KirkMike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  *A LITTLE*?If your name isn't Running Deer I don't want to hear you whining about immigration...besides, they said the same thing about Irish, Italians, Poles and Jews. Old whine in a new bottle.Jason Katie wrote:sounds a little aryan/survivalist/militant to me.JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message - From: "Marylynn Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 4:46 PMSubject: [Biofuel] Illegal
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[Biofuel] [NVIC] Rattled Vaccine Regulators, Injured Children

[Marylynn Schmidt]

An interesting article.

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  National Vaccine Information Center Newsletter

  e-NEWS
  September 18, 2006



  FDACDC


Barbara Loe Fisher Commentary:

  The National Vaccine Information Center has been calling for reform of the
mass vaccination system for the past 25 years. The FDA, CDC and NIH
separately and together cannot be given the conflicting responsibilities of
researching, developing, regulating, making policy for and promoting
mandatory, mass use of vaccines. In addition, DHHS cannot be totally in
charge of choosing, designing, and conducting or monitoring the
implementation of studies investigating vaccine risks.

These federal agencies have a too-cozy relationship with the pharmaceutical
industry and have turned into nothing more than public relations and
advertising agencies for drug companies using taxpayer money to foot the
bill. No wonder many federal public health officials retire from the FDA
and CDC and go on to lucrative second careers as drug company employees or
consultants. Sometimes they don't even wait to retire to dip into the Big
Pharma cash register. Some M.D./Ph.D. vaccine policymakers personally own
patents on the vaccines they persuade the FDA to license and the CDC to
label universal use' vaccines so the states will mandate them and profit
making will be immediate and unlimited.

And the MD/Ph.D. researchers working for HMO's like Kaiser Permanente,
which is often paid by the CDC and/or vaccine manufacturers to study
vaccines and publish studies discounting vaccine risks, are just as guilty
(see the recent study below whitewashing whole cell pertussis vaccine and
measles vaccine risks, a piece of junk science that cannot hold a candle to
the large, prospective case controlled National Childhood Encephalopathy
Study, which found a statistically significant correlation between brain
damage in children and receipt of these two vaccines).

Will Congress take a look into the dark corner of conflict of interest at
federal health agencies and deal with it or did the IOM report skip this 
part?

We don't need to hold a pity party for rattled regulators. Pity the poor
families whose children's futures have been stolen from them by public
health officials with their heads in the sand, their hands in the cookie
jar and their conscience in the freezer. Pity a nation too afraid to hold
MD/Ph.D. officials accountable for writing off millions of chronically ill
and disabled vaccine injured children as expendable in the name of disease
control and the greater good.


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The Age of Autism: Rattled regulators

United Press International
September 26, 2006

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Re: [Biofuel] Illegal Immigration: The Treason Lobby

[DHAJOGLO]

I would argue that it was *many* brown nations... but that's just splitting 
hairs.


On Thursday, September 28, 2006 10:59 AM, Mike Weaver wrote:

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:59:40 -0400
From: Mike Weaver
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Illegal Immigration: The Treason Lobby

It was a brown country before we got here

DHAJOGLO wrote:

Mike,
I just thought it was funny that the author actually indicted a few 
 republicans rather than just try to blame the the whole thing on the 
 bleeding heart lets-give-the-country-away-to-brown-people liberals!

On Thursday, September 28, 2006  8:17 AM, Mike Weaver wrote:


Actually, one could argue convincingly that it's a Republican (or
whatever they are now) movement - our balance of trade deficit has
balloned up Bush to the highest
levels ever and we're borrowing more abroad than ever.

DHAJOGLO wrote:



Hey, at least its a bipartisan movement towards, what was it?, liberal 
internationalism.  What would be the opposite?  Conservative Isolationism? 
 I don't think China would allow us to become isolationists since we're 
they're number one customer!  hahaha.  Man, I feel like I'm starting to 
sound like Weaver!





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[Biofuel] Tainted Spinach is just another sign of sick Food /farm system

[Marylynn Schmidt]

Another interesting article.

Personally, I prefer to purchase locally. My super market purchases seem to 
be mostly bottled water and paper products.


I have a small generator and make my own Colloidal Silver and/or EIS 
(electrically isolated silver) with a silver source and distilled water. 
What I make is generally about 12 ppm.  I normally spray any raw foods with 
this before eating.


Factory Farms are not just in California .. they are here in New Jersey and 
every other state and country.  This is truly a world wide problem.


ISE, a large chicken factory is located one town over from me and in the 
fall and again in the spring, you can watch as huge dump trucks carry tons 
of this factory farm, dis-ease filled droppings and spread it all over the 
fields as fertilizer.


Over and above this is the sludge that's brought out from distant cities 
that is also spread on fields prior to planting the food you eat.  Loads 
that are traveling to a dump need every load tested .. loads that are to be 
spread on farmers fields are checked 1 out of 5 .. there have been some 
deaths directly connected to this practice with very, very little news 
coverage concerning it.


If you travel the highways and see the dump truck in front of you steaming, 
you will usually be correct if you say it's carrying sludge destained for 
the fields instead of the dump.


Mary Lynn
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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:39:04 -0800

Blankhttp://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20060922155256820

  Post your comments to this on web site and also has anyone heard on 
the news what caused this. Or is there a Media Blackout on the Cause to 
protect the big boys



  Friday, September 22 2006 @ 03:52 PM PDT
  Contributed by: John Peck
  Views: 332
  When Tommy Thompson gave his farewell speech as outgoing Health and 
Human Services Secretary under Pres Bush in Dec. 2004, he shocked many by 
admitting he couldn’t understand why terrorists had not attacked our food 
supply yet, since it would be so easy to do. Little did he realize that the 
worst threat to U.S. agriculture is homegrown. After a decade of repeated 
outbreaks and warnings, vegetable growers in the Salinas Valley of CA are 
now reaping a deadly harvest. Over 120 people nationwide have fallen victim 
to the deadly O157:H7 strain of E. coli bacteria, with one death confirmed 
in WI, and a voluntary recall of bagged spinach is now underway. While 
distant DC officials say it is still OK to eat suspect spinach after cooking 
at 160 degrees for 15 seconds, those CA health experts on the ground are 
telling consumers to throw it all out.


  After a decade of repeated outbreaks and warnings, vegetable growers 
in the Salinas Valley of CA are now reaping a deadly harvest. Over 120 
people nationwide have fallen victim to the deadly O157:H7 strain of E. coli 
bacteria, with one death confirmed in WI, and a voluntary recall of bagged 
spinach is now underway. While distant DC officials say it is still OK to 
eat suspect spinach after cooking at 160 degrees for 15 seconds, those CA 
health experts on the ground are telling consumers to throw it all out. 
Recent budget and staff cuts at the federal level have left the majority of 
food safety inspection and enforcement in the hands of city, county, and 
state agencies. Ironically enough, the Bush administration is now trying to 
railroad through Congress the “National Uniformity for Food Act” that would 
takeaway this local control over food safety and labeling.


  Infectious disease specialists such as Prof. Lee Riley at UC-Berkeley 
are right on target when they remark that such food-borne outbreaks do not 
occur in Africa or Asia since this type of disaster was basically created by 
corporate agribusiness practices. Academic studies have shown time and again 
that livestock force-fed grain in confinement have up to 300 times more 
pathogenic bacteria in their system as compared to cows allowed to freely 
graze on grass outdoors. And one of the dirty little secrets behind 
California’s new found status as the number one dairy state is that it is 
literally awash in factory farm manure, which enters as runoff into channels 
designed to irrigate vegetables and blows as clouds of dust onto nearby 
produce fields.


  It was actually under Pres. Clinton that food safety began to take a 
real nosedive in the U.S. as genuine public oversight shifted to ineffectual 
feel-good self-policing programs. Demoralized federal inspectors derided the 
new Hazardous Analysis and Critical Control Points (HACCP) 

Re: [Biofuel] Taking Oil Out Of The Equation

[Irwin Levinson]

Kieth
Have you worked out the following(?):
The US will use the last drop of oil from where-ever else: (North sea, mid 
east, Khazakstazhn, Nigeria, Venezuala, etc.) before we (the US) use the last 
drops of oil in the US and territories.  Think of that particular foreign 
policy as the ultimate well secretified hidden foreign policy of the Nixon, 
Reagan, Bush, Bush and future Admins.  and the true underpinning of  US 
military adventures in every country or land mass.  The future depends on OIL, 
as if colonialism wasn't/isn't enough.  If and when biofuels take the majority 
energy and lube dependency expect no-less from foreign policy, than to follow 
suite.
Irv

-Original Message-
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sep 27, 2006 6:31 AM
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: [Biofuel] Taking Oil Out Of The Equation

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/09/21/taking_oil_out_of_the_equation.php
TomPaine.com -
Taking Oil Out Of The Equation

Michael T. Klare

September 21, 2006



Michael T. Klare is a professor of peace and world security studies 
at Hampshire College and the author of Blood and Oil: The Dangers and 
Consequences of America's Growing Dependency on Imported Petroleum 
(Owl Books).

In his September 11 address to the nation, President Bush declared 
that the war against on terror is the decisive ideological struggle 
of the 21st century, pitting the ideals of Western civilization 
against a perverted vision of Islam. Bush is certainly correct that 
ideology plays a critical role in the war on terror and that this 
struggle cannot be won if Washington fails in the battle of ideas 
(which its abysmal record in Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo is helping to 
ensure). But ideology is only part of the equation.

Just as significant, if far less acknowledged, is the relationship 
between oil and Islamic extremism. If it weren't for our dependence 
on Middle Eastern oil, we wouldn't project such a conspicuous and 
over-bearing presence in the Middle East-and it is this presence, 
more than anything else, that has generated the toxic 
anti-Americanism on which al-Qaida feeds. Doing better in the battle 
of ideas is not enough; if we ever hope to prevail in the war on 
terror, we must also remove oil from the strategic equation.

To fully appreciate the relationship between America's oil dependency 
and contemporary Middle Eastern terrorism, it is necessary to know 
something about the historical trajectories of both. Prior to World 
War II, the United States had very little official presence in the 
Persian Gulf area-at that time we were self-sufficient in oil, and in 
any case were content to allow Great Britain to control the region. 
But President Franklin D. Roosevelt correctly surmised that the 
United States would eventually become dependent on imported oil as 
our domestic reserves were drained, and so he set out to establish 
American control over a major foreign source of supply-eventually 
selecting Saudi Arabia to assume this role.

On February 14, 1945, he met with King Abdul Aziz ibn Saud aboard a 
U.S. warship in the Suez Canal and forged an oil-for-protection 
arrangement under which the United States pledged to defend the Saudi 
royal family in return for privileged access to Saudi petroleum 
reserves. All else that has occurred in the Gulf, including 9/11, has 
followed from this fateful encounter.

To carry out the terms of the 1945 Roosevelt-Ibn Saud agreement, 
successive American presidents deployed an ever-larger U.S. military 
presence in the region and helped establish both the Saudi Royal Army 
and the Saudi Arabian National Guard (SANG), responsible for internal 
security. The growing U.S. military presence was coupled with the 
growing presence of American oil companies, which helped turned Saudi 
Arabia into the world's leading producer. With fields in most other 
parts of the world in decline-the United States reached its peak, 
or maximum sustainable output in 1971-production from the Persian 
Gulf became increasingly essential for the smooth operation of the 
global economy.

The conspicuous presence of American soldiers and oil company 
personnel in the Gulf area was not without its detractors, however. 
Many devout Muslims saw this as an unwelcome intrusion of 
non-believers in the Islamic heartland, and others saw it as a form 
of imperialism. America's close association with Israel was also a 
source of irritation for many. Still, it was the British who first 
experienced the intractable wrath of Islamic militants: when 
state-controlled British Petroleum (BP) refused to cede control over 
its refinery at Abadan in southwestern Iran, the company's vast 
Iranian assets were nationalized by Prime Minister Mossadegh in 1951 
with strong support from the Muslim clergy. London responded to this 
perceived affront by persuading President Eisenhower to spearhead a 

[Biofuel] Afghanistan - let them eat hams.......

[Bob Molloy]

War nerd Gary Brecher's blog is my favourite reading space. I thought this
latest was too good not to share.
Cheers,
Bob.
http://www.exile.ru/2006-September-22/war

 http://www.exile.ru/2006-September-22/war_nerd.html

Issue #247 - War Nerd - Afghanistan: Let 'Em Eat Hams - By Gary Brecher
( [EMAIL PROTECTED] )

FRESNO, CA -- If your exterminator says he just killed 200 rats down in the
basement, is that good news or bad news?
On the one hand, it's good those rats are dead. On the other hand, I thought
we
got rid of them years ago, and now there's hundreds? What's going on?
That's the Big Question everyone should be asking in Afghanistan. NATO's
claiming we killed 500 Taliban near Kandahar this month. That's a mighty
impressive body count, sure, but if Nam taught us one thing, it's that body
counts are a bad sign. For all sorts of reasons, starting with basic common
sense: if we're killing that many, how many more are running around out
there?
They say with rats that if you see one, that means there's about 40 more in
the
vicinity. I suspect you can use the same ratio for Taliban. That's what
Mohamed
Arbil, a former Northern Alliance commander, said the other day: If [NATO]
killed that many, the Taliban must have thousands of fighters on that
front.
Afghanistan is now enemy territory again. The Taliban have re-formed (as
opposed
to reformed) and according to one Brit officer who's fought in both Iraq and
Afghanistan, the fight against the Talibs is already WAY hotter than the war
in
Iraq.
The truth is, Afghanistan's been slipping away for some time now. I'll own
up; I
should've been doing more columns on it myself, because I could feel vaguely
it
was going bad. But other places were hotter or funnier, and I let it go.
Besides, as hard as I've been on my country's war leadership, I didn't
really
believe that we could possibly be so stupid as to blow the one thing we did
right. But as far as I can tell that's what happened to the US command: they
lost interest in Afghanistan, Iraq's got them paralyzed, and any energy left
over is going into finding a way to invade Iran. Which won't be easy, seeing
as
how we have exactly zero troops left over from Iraq.
So it's like our command got one of those brain puzzlers Captain Kirk used
to
use to fry alien computers: how do we pacify Iraq (impossible) while
invading
Iran at the same time (double impossible, does not compute, frying noises,
smoke
coming out of computer). Right now there's so much smelly smoke coming out
of
the Pentagon it looks like another Boeing hit the place, but it's just the
DI
sections' brains frying. There just isn't a lot of high-command brain power
left
to pay attention to Afghanistan.
That's the key here: paying attention. I'm starting to think that we just
don't
have the patience and focus to do CI warfare. It's much easier to deal with
enemies who know when they're beaten. Who know the rules, as laid down in
history books. You pound them into the ground, shake hands, dump a few
planeloads of foreign aid on them, and everybody's friends again. It's like
a
nice clean boxing match.
CI warfare is more like that style of fighting the Brazilians introduced
into
the UFC: the game only starts when you've got the guy down. You know how
those
guys like Royce Gracie fight? If you've never seen it, it's like this: you
throw
a punch at him, and the next thing you know he's on his back kicking you in
the
legs. If you're expecting a stand-up fight, you're doomed. Your only choice
is
to jump onto him and grapple it out, which will take a half hour at the very
least. That's why they don't run UFC on TV much any more: too damn boring
and
slow. It's more like watching bad gay porn, two guys lying on top of each
other
sweating. Except they don't even move enough to make good porn. It's all in
the
wrists, slow as molasses, getting a little advantage until the other side
taps
out.
We were spoiled by initial success in Afghanistan; we got the Taliban down
and
then just stopped paying attention. Dunno if you remember this far back, but
after 9/11, when it was obvious we had to go in there and root out Osama,
everybody was saying Afghanistan was unwinnable, the graveyard of empires,
etc. And the campaign seemed to stall at first, till we took Mazar-I-Sharif
and
sent the Northern Alliance rolling into Kabul. Boom, game over, victory
party,
let's go home.
Except the new wars just don't work that way. The tough part was really just
beginning. The biggest problem once we took Kabul was tribal. Reporters are
always calling the Taliban Islamic extremists, but it's way simpler than
that:
the Talibs are Pushtun, and our allies in the Northern Alliance were their
old
tribal enemies the Tajiks, Uzbeks and a few free-agent Hazaras.
The Pushtun are the biggest tribe in the country, if you can call it that,
by
far. Afghanistan is 42% Pushtun, and the second-biggest group, the Tajiks,
are
only 27%. Pushtuns are -- now how can I say this nicely? -- insane. The
craziest
Taliban 

Re: [Biofuel] Illegal Immigration: The Treason Lobby

[NV Dhana]

This is the countery of immegrants. Some came early, other are still 
comming. without new immigrants,  for big business, there is no cheap labour 
force. for high end research, not enough brain power. Half of the people 
writting in this column will be hardpressed to find difference between 
Democrats and republican. They all want same thing, to aceive it, there 
metod is different.most of people have delageted there thinking power to 
other people. They can't see what is wright and what is wrong. some body got 
to tell them. quite a few people think all republican are next to god and 
other half think only democrat are good. They vote straight party line and 
forget that this politician in both party are there to make them fool. both 
party have there quota of good bad and ugly. Vote for the peole, not for the 
party.Keep your mind open, Don't be resist or fasist.  Nick


From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Illegal Immigration: The Treason Lobby
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:59:40 -0400

It was a brown country before we got here

DHAJOGLO wrote:

 Mike,
 I just thought it was funny that the author actually indicted a few 
republicans rather than just try to blame the the whole thing on the 
bleeding heart lets-give-the-country-away-to-brown-people liberals!
 
 On Thursday, September 28, 2006  8:17 AM, Mike Weaver wrote:
 
 
 Actually, one could argue convincingly that it's a Republican (or
 whatever they are now) movement - our balance of trade deficit has
 balloned up Bush to the highest
 levels ever and we're borrowing more abroad than ever.
 
 DHAJOGLO wrote:
 
 
 
 Hey, at least its a bipartisan movement towards, what was it?, 
liberal internationalism.  What would be the opposite?  Conservative 
Isolationism?  I don't think China would allow us to become isolationists 
since we're they're number one customer!  hahaha.  Man, I feel like I'm 
starting to sound like Weaver!
 
 
 
 
 
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[Biofuel] Fwd: 911-No Arabs on Flight 77

[Kirk McLoren]

  Subject: 911-No Arabs on Flight 77No Arabs on Flight 77http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/02/article_tro.htmAUTOPSY: NO ARABS ON FLIGHT 77By Thomas R. Olmsted, M.DNow Updated: No Arabs on Flight 77: Part II-The PassengersI am an ex Naval line officer and apsychiatrist in private practice in NewOrleans, a Christian and homeschool dad. Ittroubled me a great deal that we rushed offto war on the flimsiest of evidence. Iconsidered various ways to provide a smokinggun of who and why Sept 11th happened. Astuteobservers noticed right away that there wereno Arabic sounding names on any of the flightmanifests of the planes that “crashed” onthat day.A list of names on a piece of paper is notevidence, but an autopsy by a pathologist,is. I undertook by FOIA
 request, to obtainthat autopsy list and you are invited to viewit below. Guess what? Still no Arabs on thelist. It is my opinion that the monsters whoplanned this crime made a mistake by notincluding Arabic names on the original listto make the ruse seem more believable.When airline disasters occur, airlines willroutinely provide a manifest list for anxiousfamilies. You may have noticed that evenbefore Sep 11th, that airlines are prettymeticulous about getting an accurateheadcount before takeoff. It seems veryunlikely to me, that five Arabs sneaked ontoa flight with weapons. This is the listprovided by American of the 56 passengers:On September 27th, the FBI published photosof the “hijackers” of Flight 77:Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the ArmedForces Institute of Pathology (AFIP), does amiraculous job and identified nearly all thebodies on November 16th 2001.The AFIP
 suggest these numbers; 189 killed,125 worked at the Pentagon and 64 were“passengers” on the plane. The AA list onlyhad 56 and the list just obtained has 58.They did not explain how they were able totell “victims” bodies from “hijacker” bodies.In fact, from the beginning NO explanationhas been given for the extra five suggestedin news reports except that the FBI showed usthe pictures to make up the difference, andthat makes it so.Now, being the trusting sort, I figured thatthe government would want to quickly dispelany rumors so we could get on with the choreof kicking Osama/Sadaam’s butt (weren’t theseoriginally two different people?). It seemedsimple to me. . .produce the names of all thebodies identified by the AFIP and compare itwith the publicized list of passengers.So, I sent a Freedom ofInformation Act (FOIA) request to the AFIPand asked for an expedited response,
 becausewe were getting ready to send our boys to waron the pretext that Osama/Sadaam had done thedeed. Fourteen months later, a few USsoldiers dead, many Iraqi civilians pushingup daisies, and I finally get the list.Believe me that they weren’t a bit happy togive it up, and I really have no idea whythey choose now to release it.No Arabs wound up on the morgue slab;however, three ADDITIONAL people not listedby American Airline sneaked in. I have seenno explanation for these extras. I did giveAmerican the opportunity to “revise” theiroriginal list, but they have not responded.The new names are: Robert Ploger, ZandraPloger, and Sandra Teague. The AFIP claimsthat the only “passenger” body that they werenot able to identify is the toddler, DanaFalkenberg, whose parents and young sisterare on the list of those identified. Thesatanic masterminds behind this caper may befeeling pretty smug
 about the perfect crime,but they have left a raft of clues tyingthese unfortunates together. Stay tuned forpart two to take a much closer look of thecast of characters on this ill-fated flight. 
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Re: [Biofuel] Taking Oil Out Of The Equation

[Randall]

Irv,

I think you might want to change that equation to: Nixon, Ford, Carter, 
Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush and likely most future presidents...perhaps even 
going back a bit futher even...

--Randall


- Original Message - 
From: Irwin Levinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Taking Oil Out Of The Equation


Kieth
Have you worked out the following(?):
The US will use the last drop of oil from where-ever else: (North sea, mid 
east, Khazakstazhn, Nigeria, Venezuala, etc.) before we (the US) use the 
last drops of oil in the US and territories.  Think of that particular 
foreign policy as the ultimate well secretified hidden foreign policy of the 
Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Bush and future Admins.  and the true underpinning of 
US military adventures in every country or land mass.  The future depends on 
OIL, as if colonialism wasn't/isn't enough.  If and when biofuels take the 
majority energy and lube dependency expect no-less from foreign policy, 
than to follow suite.
Irv

-Original Message-
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sep 27, 2006 6:31 AM
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: [Biofuel] Taking Oil Out Of The Equation

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/09/21/taking_oil_out_of_the_equation.php
TomPaine.com -
Taking Oil Out Of The Equation

Michael T. Klare

September 21, 2006



Michael T. Klare is a professor of peace and world security studies
at Hampshire College and the author of Blood and Oil: The Dangers and
Consequences of America's Growing Dependency on Imported Petroleum
(Owl Books).

In his September 11 address to the nation, President Bush declared
that the war against on terror is the decisive ideological struggle
of the 21st century, pitting the ideals of Western civilization
against a perverted vision of Islam. Bush is certainly correct that
ideology plays a critical role in the war on terror and that this
struggle cannot be won if Washington fails in the battle of ideas
(which its abysmal record in Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo is helping to
ensure). But ideology is only part of the equation.

Just as significant, if far less acknowledged, is the relationship
between oil and Islamic extremism. If it weren't for our dependence
on Middle Eastern oil, we wouldn't project such a conspicuous and
over-bearing presence in the Middle East-and it is this presence,
more than anything else, that has generated the toxic
anti-Americanism on which al-Qaida feeds. Doing better in the battle
of ideas is not enough; if we ever hope to prevail in the war on
terror, we must also remove oil from the strategic equation.

To fully appreciate the relationship between America's oil dependency
and contemporary Middle Eastern terrorism, it is necessary to know
something about the historical trajectories of both. Prior to World
War II, the United States had very little official presence in the
Persian Gulf area-at that time we were self-sufficient in oil, and in
any case were content to allow Great Britain to control the region.
But President Franklin D. Roosevelt correctly surmised that the
United States would eventually become dependent on imported oil as
our domestic reserves were drained, and so he set out to establish
American control over a major foreign source of supply-eventually
selecting Saudi Arabia to assume this role.

On February 14, 1945, he met with King Abdul Aziz ibn Saud aboard a
U.S. warship in the Suez Canal and forged an oil-for-protection
arrangement under which the United States pledged to defend the Saudi
royal family in return for privileged access to Saudi petroleum
reserves. All else that has occurred in the Gulf, including 9/11, has
followed from this fateful encounter.

To carry out the terms of the 1945 Roosevelt-Ibn Saud agreement,
successive American presidents deployed an ever-larger U.S. military
presence in the region and helped establish both the Saudi Royal Army
and the Saudi Arabian National Guard (SANG), responsible for internal
security. The growing U.S. military presence was coupled with the
growing presence of American oil companies, which helped turned Saudi
Arabia into the world's leading producer. With fields in most other
parts of the world in decline-the United States reached its peak,
or maximum sustainable output in 1971-production from the Persian
Gulf became increasingly essential for the smooth operation of the
global economy.

The conspicuous presence of American soldiers and oil company
personnel in the Gulf area was not without its detractors, however.
Many devout Muslims saw this as an unwelcome intrusion of
non-believers in the Islamic heartland, and others saw it as a form
of imperialism. America's close association with Israel was also a
source of irritation for many. Still, it was the British who first
experienced the intractable wrath of Islamic