Re: [Biofuel] Dear all...
Hi Keith, Count me in. Regards, Bob. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012 4:27 a.m. To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Dear all... It's October, the list is going to run out of time soon and the host service will close it down. I'm not sure of the exact date, but suddenly the music will stop. The new community I mentioned previously is still some way down the road, but it will eventually happen. When it does, you'll be hearing from me. Meanwhile, the list will stop, but I won't. I'll keep harvesting the news, I do it anyway. If any list members would like to keep receiving these daily snippets, I don't mind sending them direct. Please let me know - offlist please. All best, and a very big thanks for everything, over the years. This list has taught me so much (deep bow). Regards to all. Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The rise of the New Economy movement...
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/05/22-2 I posted this on to a friend under the title of Return to the feudal society. I thought his comment below was worth an airing: Bob: I think that if you take a big-picture look at the economic and capitalist history of the Western World you will find that we have never left the Medieval Era and are still operating under feudal systems of management. In order to to compete with success under the current practices in today's business markets, any commercial endeavor requires access to massive amounts of capital, not readily available to the general public, the working class, or labor. These new movements, to incorporate the general public or labor into ownership, or to democratize capital investment, are tokens at best and will not liberate the serfs from the bottom line... profits, before all else. The practice of broad shareholder ownership with voices proportional to individual holdings merely serves to amass great masses of capital while diluting and dispersing the power of a central voice, leaving effective ownership and management in the hands of the elite few, the one percenters at the top of the dung heap! The only difference this might make for the serfs and esnes of the twenty-first century is that they are shackled to their work or the land by by their own chains... the need for petty profits and dividends and the futile hope for a bigger day tomorrow. There ain't nothin' wrong with the system. It ain't broke! It is working perfectly, just as it is designed and intended to work! The only problem is, it is not a system beneficial to the majority, or the 99 percent who own it, and we gotta find a new model. The large corporations, which so many view as The Problem are not owned by the one-percenters who manage and operate them... they are owned by us... who have no voice in their operations or conduct, and who share only in the droppings, drippings from the kettles and orts from the table of those who manage in our names, and profit in their own. Somehow, we owners of the Corporate Capitalist economy have developed and raised, literally incorporated, Golems who has taken us over and now rule. I think in the history of the Golem no one has ever tamed or subdued a runaway Golem... they must be killed... expunged, erased from the pages of history. References: The perils of owner/operatorship! Chain Gang The Ballad of John Henry Dayo Sixteen Tons The Sloop John B -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20120524/05e29d75/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Imposing democrisy
Ouch! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2012 12:18 a.m. To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Imposing democrisy Hi Bob I spelled it wrong, I meant to say democrisy, sorry. As a democracy New Zealand ranks 5th, after Norway, Iceland, Denmark and Sweden, with Australia 6th, and the US 19th, after Uruguay and the UK. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index I'm not sure if that makes New Zealand 3.8 times more democratic than the US, nor whether Mr Rudd would currently agree about Oz. New Zealand ranks 32nd on the per capita GDP list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita However, it gets a poor rating in the Happy Planet Index (HPI): http://neweconomics.org/sites/neweconomics.org/files/The_Happy_Planet_Index_ 1.pdf New Zealand is coloured dark orange on the map, far below green. In the rankings chart (p57), it ranks 11th in the Western world, but only 94th worldwide, after Jordan and followed by Japan. Countries in HPI rank order Reasonable ideal Life Satisfaction 8.2 Life Expectancy 82.0 Ecological footprint 1.5 HPI 83.5 New Zealand Life Satisfaction 7.4 Life Expectancy 79.1 Ecological footprint 5.5 HPI 41.9 Godzone? I think democracy is a denatured concept these days, especially considering what's done in its name. Maybe it's hit its use-by date, as have nation states, surely, in this living world where everything is connected to everything else. We need something better than nations and democracy, more local and more global. The major western democracies are moving towards corporatism. Democracy has become a business plan, with a bottom line for every human activity, every dream, every decency, every hope. The main parliamentary parties are now devoted to the same economic policies - socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor - and the same foreign policy of servility to endless war. This is not democracy. It is to politics what McDonalds is to food. - John Pilger I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves. - Henry Kissinger, prior to the CIA overthrow of the democratically elected government of socialist President Salvadore Allende in Chile in 1973, to be replaced by the murderous Pinochet. Its easier to kill a million people than it is to control them. - Zbigniew Brzezinski No man is an island, intire of itselfe, every man is a part of the maine. Any man's death diminishes me, for I am involved in Mankinde. So seek not to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. - John Donne Time to dump Leo Strauss and look to Georgescu-Roegen. Best Keith Yes. New Zealand. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2012 11:46 p.m. To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Imposing democrysy Can you name a single truly democratic nation in the world today? See also: 89% vote in favor of new Syrian Constitution Published: 27 February, 2012 http://rt.com/news/syria-referendum-constitution-results-307/ West Wants Assad Out, Democracy or Not By Global Times February 27, 2012 http://www.globaltimes.cn/NEWS/tabid/99/ID/697555/West-wants-Assad-out-dem o cracy-or-not.aspx --0-- http://rt.com/news/eu-recognizes-syrian-national-council-321/ EU hits Syria with toughest-yet sanctions, recognizes SNC Published: 27 February, 2012 The EU has recognized the Syrian National Council, one of the main opposition groups, as a legitimate representative of the Syrian people. The decision came as the EU ministers met in Brussels to slap Syria with its toughest set of sanctions yet. Although the EU ministers recognized the SNC as the official opposition, French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe told journalists that there are other groups opposed to Assad's regime which should be urged to unite and become more organized. The EU continues to execute its strategy of putting political and economic pressure on the Syrian regime to force President Bashar al-Assad out of power. Verbally, the West maintains its support of the opposition, at the same time reiterating that a Libya-style scenario will not be repeated in Syria. Some of the Arab countries, however, advocate a direct military intervention in the country to stop the bloodshed against the civilians. The Qatari Prime Minister voiced his unbounded support of the opposition on Monday, saying that the international community should arm the rebels, since it failed to find a solution to the crisis by the means of United Nations Security Council. I think
Re: [Biofuel] Imposing democracy.
Yes. New Zealand. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2012 11:46 p.m. To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Imposing democrysy Can you name a single truly democratic nation in the world today? See also: 89% vote in favor of new Syrian Constitution Published: 27 February, 2012 http://rt.com/news/syria-referendum-constitution-results-307/ West Wants Assad Out, Democracy or Not By Global Times February 27, 2012 http://www.globaltimes.cn/NEWS/tabid/99/ID/697555/West-wants-Assad-out-demo cracy-or-not.aspx --0-- http://rt.com/news/eu-recognizes-syrian-national-council-321/ EU hits Syria with toughest-yet sanctions, recognizes SNC Published: 27 February, 2012 The EU has recognized the Syrian National Council, one of the main opposition groups, as a legitimate representative of the Syrian people. The decision came as the EU ministers met in Brussels to slap Syria with its toughest set of sanctions yet. Although the EU ministers recognized the SNC as the official opposition, French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe told journalists that there are other groups opposed to Assad's regime which should be urged to unite and become more organized. The EU continues to execute its strategy of putting political and economic pressure on the Syrian regime to force President Bashar al-Assad out of power. Verbally, the West maintains its support of the opposition, at the same time reiterating that a Libya-style scenario will not be repeated in Syria. Some of the Arab countries, however, advocate a direct military intervention in the country to stop the bloodshed against the civilians. The Qatari Prime Minister voiced his unbounded support of the opposition on Monday, saying that the international community should arm the rebels, since it failed to find a solution to the crisis by the means of United Nations Security Council. I think we should do whatever is necessary to help them, including giving them weapons to defend themselves, Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim al-Thani said on Monday during a visit to Norway. I think we have to try to do something to send enough military help to stop the killing. Saudi Arabia is also backing the idea of arming the rebels, with Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal saying that giving weapons and ammunition to groups fighting the Syrian regime is an excellent idea because they have to defend themselves. Syria's Foreign Ministry spokesman Jihad Makdissi said that militarizing the Syrian opposition is a big mistake that will backfire. The West is trying to destabilize Syria for geopolitical reasons, Makdissi said in an interview with the Associated Press. EU imposes tough new sanctions Foreign ministers of the European Union have agreed to sanction the country's central bank, freeze assets of several high-ranking Syrian officials, halt purchasing gold and ban cargo flights to Syria from the EU. This is not the first - or even the second - time the 27-nation bloc has taken such steps. Their effects have yet to be seen, but EU leaders believe that applying as much pressure - both diplomatic and economic - as possible on the Assad regime will lead to positive changes in the conflict-torn nation. Europe would prefer to have even tougher sanctions in play, from the United Nations, but Russia and China's position as permanent, and therefore veto-wielding, members, has so far prevented UNSC measures. British Foreign Secretary William Hague expressed the West's continued frustration with Moscow and Beijing for preventing stronger action against Syria at the United Nations. I hope that China and Russia will see that it has been a mistake to take this position, that it is damaging their own interests in the Middle East, that it is wrong in the eyes of the world, Hague told reporters. To both Moscow and Beijing, however, there is a greater wrong - using UN resolutions to justify a military involvement, as happened in Libya. 'Majority of Syrians are non-people for the West' Neil Clark, a journalist and contributor to The Guardian, believes Western leaders are being highly hypocritical when they criticize the Syrian regime for being undemocratic, and yet fail to respect the views of the majority of Syrians. Fifty-seven per cent of Syrians have voted and an overwhelming majority of them have said yes to it, he told RT It's a great day for democracy in Syria. And yet what's the reaction been by the Western leaders? Well, Hillary Clinton denounced it as a cynical ploy. Guido Westerwelle, the German foreign minister, said that it was a sham, but in fact what is a sham is the West's approach because the reaction to this referendum shows us that they're not really keen on democracy in Syria. Clark said the West tends to cast a blind eye on huge pro-Assad demonstrations and the fact that 55 per cent of Syrians want President Assad to
[Biofuel] Radiation being emitted from Fukushima is 70 million becquerels per hour - It is increasing - Up 12 million from last month .
This appears to contradict all those soothing noises made by the nuclear authorities. Link: http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/2012/01/tepco-has-just-announced-r adiation.html (via shareaholic.com) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20120125/aaf1f97e/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] 34 Shocking Facts About U.S. Debt
What did Americans do with all that money? It must have been a helluva party. Link: http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/34-shocking-facts-about-u-s-debt -that-should-set-america-on-fire-with-anger (via shareaholic.com) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20120125/bf2c1637/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Demise of the petrodollar
Interesting take on the petrodollar. http://allenlrolandsweblog.blogspot.com/2012/01/iran-crisis-follow-money-it s-all-about.html IRAN CRISIS / FOLLOW THE MONEY, IT'S ALL ABOUT ... -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20120123/36fd1dad/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] national biofuel use may be just around the corner
http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=trct=jq=what%20war%20with%20iran%20might%2 0look%20likesource=webcd=2sqi=2ved=0CD4QFjABurl=http%3A%2F%2Foriginal.a ntiwar.com%2Fgiraldi%2F2012%2F01%2F11%2Fwhat-war-with-iran-might-look-like%2 Fei=644cT9nPNdD0mAX24p2FCgusg=AFQjCNF2_2hZm1ukMUhKBoVNRvxCho3tKA What War With Iran Might Look Like by Philip Giraldi -- Antiwar.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20120123/99390509/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] straining credibiiity
After reading this my flabber was absolutey gasted. I'm passing it on in the hope that Keith or Midori can throw some light on it. You guys gota get a load of this!! Interesting read written by a Japanese Citizen reporting on the Earthquake and the Nuke Melt-down. This is just like 911 re-visited! The only thing missing is the White Van's and the High 5's!! I can see Putts face now - all screwed into a grimace! As per usual, it's long and it's written in Japanese, so good luck and drink plenty of fluids! Oh yeah! You can click on the English only version link. Make sure you check out all the pictures presented! they do tell a different story to the Media's version! Sia Nara for now! M http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/fukushima1.html On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Streamyx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can make an ugly woman beautiful... or a live man look dead or like someone else. Whatever you like or want to do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_vVUIYOmJM -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20120113/af3a3e8c/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Food for thought.
I have met this man and can vouch for his naval background and period of service in nuclear submarines but this is the first time he has mentioned this. He is now in his eighties, very lucid and up with the play. He retired early with definitely negative views on US.geopolitics, converted to Islam, married a very warm and charming Muslim woman and they now live in Malaysia. For fifteen years I was a working, AEC and USN certified and licensed Water Cooler Reactor Engineer, Operator and Watch Supervisor. I know with an engineers certainty that you cannot make a water cooler reactor go supercritical to the point at which it will explode. We tried to do that a number of times early on back in the late fifties in Idaho, and we simply could not do it. All we got were meltdowns, which were not very spectacular at all on the scale of Fukushima and, without the Press spectacularization and sensationalization of Three Mile Island, Chernobyl and wherever, not at all spectacular or frightening. Messy, and a bit of work to clean up, true, but nothing dangerous or out of the ordinary. I knew most of the men involved, and we have all lived rather long and healthy lives ever since, except for th statistical norms who were involved in other mishaps such as sinking submarines, speeding autos, and perhaps an irate husband or two. We could never even simulate or stimulate anything like a China Syndrome which proved Jane full of shit. The biggest difference with what we did experimentally in Idaho and what happened in subsequent Power Plant disasters was the presence of the press and public exposure. We were a closed US Naval Installation, and we kept it that way. None of the men were sworn to secrecy or ordered to keep quiet, they simply did not seem to think that anything we were doing was very exciting or worth discussing. The Press has a tendency to magnify and spectacular! If there was a nuclear explosion or an uncontrolled nuclear event at Fukushima, then it was not the reactor! Note; a high intensity chemical explosion within a nuclear reactor core might make quite a mess, which is why the hydrogen was always such a problem. And, it was also why nuclear reactor containments were built with very heavy and thick steel and concrete walls. It has been my experience that just getting a nuclear reactor up to criticality, and keeping it hot and running was some sort of superhuman miracle... making it go bang would be and is physically, (in the nuclear physics sense) impossible. The negative temperature coefficient of the water reflector and shield are physically ordered to prevent this by immutable laws of physics and thermodynamics. This is not only my personal testimony... it is the official testimony of every Nuclear Physicist and Engineer who has ever worked or written about Nuclear weapons and Nuclear power systems. There is a great difference between the two, and to make either one happen, or do what it is designed to do, is immensely more difficulty a task to make happen than to prevent. I have lived and worked with professionals in both of these fields. Earlaiman _ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20120113/597eee4a/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] The waterless toilet
The latest from South Africa where burgeoning squatter camps around the large cities have outgrown the municipal water supply;. www.enviro-loo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] The reason for Spitzer's outing.
Hi All, Do we need a reason for Spitzer’s “outing”? If so, here t’is. Regards, Bob. HYPERLINK http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/13/AR200802130 2783.htmlhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/13/AR 2008021302783.html _ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 18/03/2008 8:10 a.m. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080319/03b1fdb5/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Bees buzz off
Hi all, Bummer, no more ice cream……… HYPERLINK http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/feb/25/useconomyhttp://www.guardia n.co.uk/business/2008/feb/25/useconomy No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1298 - Release Date: 25/02/2008 8:45 p.m. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080226/af1b1ac0/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] An alternative view
Hi All, There are of course lies and damned lies, then there are statistics. A look at what Petras has to say shows these can disturb your comfortable world view. Regards. Bob. HYPERLINK http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Aug06/Petras29.htmhttp://www.dissidentvoice. org/Aug06/Petras29.htm No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1263 - Release Date: 6/02/2008 8:14 p.m. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080210/063dce5a/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] It's a tough world for the journos.........
Hi all, As a former journo I sympathised http://gawker.com/5002815/exclusive-sam-zell-says-fuck-you-to-his-journalis t No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1263 - Release Date: 6/02/2008 8:14 p.m. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Before You Vote for Hillary Clinton Read This
Hi all, On this score, two powerful pieces worth a look. Regards. Bob. http://www.qumsiyeh.org/illusionofchoice/ http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20080101.htm No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1263 - Release Date: 6/02/2008 8:14 p.m. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Switchgrass in your tank...........
Hi all, Interesting David Suzuki column follows: Vol. 10, No. 4 6 February 2008 Science Matters by David Suzuki, with Faisal Moola Fill 'er up with switchgrass Not long ago, the question at the pump was always, regular or unleaded? Today, leaded gasoline isn't even an option in most developed countries. And with the need to drastically reduce our consumption of fossil fuels, the question of the future just might be switchgrass or algae? Of course, I'm being somewhat facetious. In their raw form you couldn't run your car on either. However both organisms have the potential to be made into biofuels such as ethanol or biodiesel. And that, if done in a careful and sustainable way, could greatly reduce the greenhouse gas emissions that cause global warming. However, in spite of some of the hoopla about biofuels, there are still many obstacles to overcome. Yes, you can already get ethanol mixed with your gasoline or biodiesel mixed with your regular diesel in many North American cities. In fact, in countries like Brazil, gasoline is always blended with at least 20 per cent ethanol and you can easily get 100 per cent ethanol for your car. So far, so good. But these biofuels have problems too. As I discussed in a column last fall, a widespread adoption of biofuels, such as biodiesel and ethanol could cause serious damage to the environment and provide few benefits if the crop used to make the fuel isn't chosen carefully. Corn, for example, is the largest source of ethanol in the United States, but it is a poor choice for fuel because if you do a life-cycle analysis (looking at all the energy needed to make the stuff), the energy obtained from corn-based ethanol is only marginally better or worse than the energy you get out of it. Plus, corn is heavily reliant on fertilizers and pesticides. Thankfully, there are plenty of other options. Canola does better in a lifecycle analysis, for example, and sugar cane - which is where Brazil gets its ethanol from - better still. However, sugar cane requires a hot climate and there are concerns that displacing Brazilian subsistence farmers to grow sugar cane will push them into slashing and burning the rainforest for cropland. So all biofuels still have an environmental, economic or social cost. If these fuels are to be sustainable, such costs need to be minimized. One promising biofuel that scores well in preliminary studies is cellulosic ethanol made from switchgrass. According to results of a recent study published in the prestigious journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, switchgrass grown and managed for biofuel can produce 500 per cent more renewable energy than the energy it needs to be grown and processed. For the study, researchers conducted field trials (the first for switchgrass) over five years on 10 farms in the Midwestern United States. Looking at all the production and management information from each farm, they were able to estimate greenhouse gas emissions and net energy inputs to outputs. After a life-cycle analysis, the results were very positive: greenhouse gas emissions from switchgrass-derived cellulosic ethanol on the farms were 94 per cent lower than if the energy had come from gasoline. Another benefit of switchgrass, and part of the reason for its success in the trials, is that it is a native prairie grass that grows on agriculturally marginal land. This means that fewer chemical inputs are required to maintain the crop and makes it less likely that growing large crops of switchgrass would take away land that would otherwise be used for food production. Biofuels have the potential to help reduce pollution and global warming emissions, as well as the regional conflicts caused by our dependence on fossil fuels. But choosing the right fuel crop for the right geographic area is critical, as is making sure that all social and environmental factors are considered. If we can overcome those hurdles, you can look for more biofuels made from waste wood, used vegetable oil, and yes, even algae, at our pumps in the future. Take David Suzuki's Nature Challenge and learn more at www.davidsuzuki.org. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080208/4487f540/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Reality
An Israeli Commission has criticized the Government and the Military not for fighting the war but for losing it. Israeli Commissions have always been criticizing and condemning Israeli Government and Military crimes and failures, but it has changed nothing on the ground. In what way might we expect these findings to change anything with regard to Palestine, Lebanon, or Israeli/US involvement in Iraq, Iran, Syria, or Afghanistan? Are they going to rethink, revise, or throw out all those plans for Eretz Israel just because some damn fool lost a war? Will they shut down Mossad and the infiltration forces they have deployed into all of the political and government machines in most of the Western world? All of this stuff looks good, feels good and sounds good... but it stinks to High Heaven, wherever that is! I think, once we have wrapped the fish in all of these reports, we can forget them, and get on with the real war. http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20080130_israel_inquiry_slams_political_and_military_leaders/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080203/07467b7d/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] The ultimate irony
Interesting, but it wasn't as if we didn't know Bob. http://harpers.org/archive/2008/01/hbc-90002237 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080128/9cbc1507/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] For Sale: 300 Sq. Ft. House in Toronto
Hi Jesse, When I was last in Toronto it was below zero and still plunging, I was stuck in an airport going nowhere, my baggage had gone missing, I'd fallen out with my girl friend, I had a cold coming on and yes I could hear more than five languages around me but only one resembling mine. Spoken - no, gabbled at high speed and higher decibels - in an unintelligible Belfast accent. The speaker, according the notice above her head, was quaintly termed an Information Desk. . Desk I could accept, at a stretch. In reality it was a counter. But Information was clearly an oxymoron. At third attempt I deciphered the words. She was telling me to be careful of my baggage and that my flight had been cancelled, again. However, there were hopes of something in a boot tew ires. I didn't want to travel in a boot. I wanted what I'd paid for - a regional airline seat I told her. She assured me that I'd get one, this time she did'nt say it was in a boot but at a boot sicks aclack. I gave up. I'd be there still if my girlfriend hadn't taken pity on me. Today I live in paradise but enjoy visiting cities. The most recent was Maputo in Mozambique where the potholes can take a whole bus. It was a helluva buzz. But you want me to believe it's darned fun living in a tower of Babel which boasts 300 square feet houses in an atmosphere that in your own words varies from chilly to infernal? Come off it Jesse, either you're dragging my chain or you've missed your last counselling session. Regards, Bob. PS: that wasn't a screen freeze, it was Yahoo's oxymoron catcher. They're on to you. - Original Message - From: Jesse Frayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] For Sale: 300 Sq. Ft. House in Toronto I'm having a horrible time with Yahoo. I have to type really fast because any second my screen is going to freeze. I fished your adroit comment out just now, Bob, and phooey on youey, we Torontonians are a stalwart and loyal race! It's darned fun here. Though chilly! Luckily in summer it's infernal! But where else can you hear five different languages on your way to the bank? Wait a sec, I have to pass this on to the group.. a cool project.. sustainable housing.. wait for it. --- Bob Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would anyone, including Torontoans, want to live in Toronto? Bob. - Original Message - From: Jesse Frayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] For Sale: 300 Sq. Ft. House in Toronto Say, in Toronto, that's a BIG house. We're rather small people, you know. And just look at the landscaping possibilities! --- Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Boulder, that wouldn't be a bad price per square foot... On Jan 14, 2008 5:31 AM, Bill Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 300 seems kind small that's like 15' X 20'. A standard Mobile Home is about 900. Something special about this house? Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: For Sale: 300 Sq. Ft. House in Toronto http://deathby1000papercuts.blogspot.com/2008/01/for-sale-300-sq-ft-house-in -toronto.html For Sale: 300 Sq. Ft. House in Toronto They're proud of it the asking price is $179, 900.00. - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080114/b2d6c72b/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Wildbill Sutton.VT - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080114/bbb1bcea/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Definition of biofuel.....
Hi Keith, Jason 'n all, Thanks for the quick comeback and the useful ammo. So far there's been grumbling acceptance and only a few nitpicks, an indicator that the broadside must have hit the target. Regards. Bob. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:17 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Definition of biofuel. Hello Bob Hi All, Can anybody give me a short, simple, jargon-free rebuttal of the agrofuel/biofuel confusion. I want to post it on a blog that recently referred its readers to the following definitions, both of which are so painfully wide of the mark it's hard to know where to begin. Thanks and regards, Bob. Wikipedia: Biofuel (also called agrofuel) can be broadly defined as solid, liquid, or gas fuel consisting of, or derived from biomass. Modern Language Association (MLA): biofuel. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1). Random House, Inc. 15 Jan. 2008. Dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/biofuel. Pagandai Pannirselvam said it best, IMO: Small is beautifuel. Conversely, big is agrofuel, not beautifuel. GRAIN defined what biofuel isn't: Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:22:10 +0100 (BST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [New from GRAIN] No to the agrofuels craze! http://www.grain.org/nfg/?id=502 We believe that the prefix bio, which comes from the Greek word for 'life', is entirely inappropriate for such anti-life devastation. So, following the lead of non-governmental organisations and social movements in Latin America, we do not talk about biofuels and green energy. Agrofuels is a much better term, we believe, to express what is really happening: agribusiness producing fuel from plants as another commodity in a wasteful, destructive and unjust global economy. But they didn't define what biofuel is. Real biofuels is small-scale, local production, local use, Appropriate Technology style. It makes maximum use of locally available, renewable resources, with minimum dependence on outside resources, and it fits the local community and the local environment. None of the arguments and non-arguments against Agrofuels apply to that type of biofuels production, whether it's biodiesel, ethanol, biogas or whatever. Essentially, objections to biofuels-as-Agrofuels are no different from objections to any other kind of industrialised agriculture, Agrofuels is just an add-on. Substitute industrialised agriculture for biofuels and there's very little difference. While it's true that for instance palm-oil production is now even more evil than it used to be because of Agrofuels demand, it's just a difference in scale and degree, not in kind, it's nothing new. Years ago, long before the current fuss over food vs fuel arose (but not before David Pimentel's pro-Big Oil disinfo campaign against ethanol), the Biofuel list was discussing the Sierra Club's objections to fuel ethanol, which were basically that industrialised corn production causes so many environmental problems because of all the nitrogen run-off. But that's not an objection to biofuels, it's an objection to industrialised corn production. You might as well say growing maize itself is unsustainable, which is obviously nonsense, or that growing any food is unsustainable. Shouldn't Club Sierra's Becker (I think it was him) be expected to be aware that there are sustainable and environmentally benign ways of growing corn, or anything else? If he does know that, then why doesn't he put it all together properly? And how very often the biofuels-bashers quote Pimentel and Patzek! Yet The other major objection is biofuels production is causing or will cause food shortages, especially for the poor, but industrialised agriculture already does that too, very adequately as we know, that's been business-as-usual for the last hundred years. And so on. Biofuels-bashing seems to be mostly a knee-jerk reaction. Generally greenies and enviros just love to hate biofuels, as previously discussed. It reminds me of a sig under an email someone sent me: People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's easier to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs. LOL! Maybe bashing biofuels is easier than harassing the likes of ADM and Monsanto? Hm. Maybe. Another major delusion here is that Agrofuels can ever be a substitute for fossil fuels. There is no substitute for fossil fuels. There's no alternative but to stop wasting energy and learning to use it efficiently. Then Biofuels (real Biofuels) have a useful and valuable contribution to make. As we all know there are sustainable alternatives to the industrialised food production system, they're tried and tested, they work, they're widely used, they're spreading fast, and they're capable of feeding the world, which the industrial system certainly can't do. Sustainable alternatives to
[Biofuel] Definition of biofuel.....
Hi All, Can anybody give me a short, simple, jargon-free rebuttal of the agrofuel/biofuel confusion. I want to post it on a blog that recently referred its readers to the following definitions, both of which are so painfully wide of the mark it's hard to know where to begin. Thanks and regards, Bob. Wikipedia: Biofuel (also called agrofuel) can be broadly defined as solid, liquid, or gas fuel consisting of, or derived from biomass. Modern Language Association (MLA): biofuel. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1). Random House, Inc. 15 Jan. 2008. Dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/biofuel. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080117/c22ab3b5/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [vvawnet] Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles
Hi Gustl, I asked a Vietnam vet for comment on this one. He thought about it for all of ten minutes and came back with the response below. Regards. Bob. The very day after I got off the plane from Vietnam, I had an encounter with a rude and officious local cop over an unsignalled right-hand turn as I pulled into the police station to renew my drivers license. It all seemed such bullshit after the seat of the pants life I'd been leading that I had to smile. This brought another burst of indignation, abuse and indignity from this uppity officious punk with a badge and a gun. I felt my gorge rise. He was standing off balance with one hand on his hip. I could have taken him before he blinked. But, unlike Matt, I was unarmed, and he was armed to the teeth. I just stood there eating his shit. If I'd had a weapon there would have been one less mouthy cop in the US and one more vet on death row. Thinking about it later persuaded me that I should dispose of all the guns I owned, and learn to manage anger before it led me into trouble. There have been trying days with trying assholes but I always came out ahead, did minimal damage, and left no blood or bodies behind. I have not yet fucked up in a big way like Mat, and hope am not about to by acting out violent impulses with weapons at hand, whatever the cause. There are a few who deserve it, but they all live in highly protected political atmospheres, are untouchable, and, frankly have no idea what it is like to be a veteran of any kind of violence or traumatic experience. If you recall your Gibbon and your history, returning veterans have always had problems, many of which became problems for the civil populace back home. We all have our Rubicons but Matt and the others like him crossed theirs. The rest of us didn't. Who the hell knows why. Rome, particularly, had difficulties with returning veterans who were never properly resettled into civilian life, and who suffered not only from war and combat stress but from the anger and disappointment of having been promised benefits and assistance their governments ultimately reneged on when it came time to pay the piper for all of those victories. For most, payment consisted of getting to march through a marble arch while the citizens cheered. We Vietnam vets didn't get even that. It's been the same since the beginning of warfare. Train a civilian to kill, maim, rape and pillage. Turn him into a highly tuned fighting machine with hair-trigger responses. Then, when the job is done, cut him loose without any retraining or reconditioning of lethal responses, and blame him if he fucks up in a new and regulated police world in which he gets no say. Read your Kipling again. Tommy is not a unique figure, he just goes under different names in different countries. The story of Matt Sepi is not the story of an American tragedy - which fortunately for him ended well - it is the universal and eternal story of an army of veterans abandoned and betrayed by their Governors, Administrators, Legislators, Executives. non-combatant fellow soldiers and Officers, and the citizens and civilians of the country they have served. They are walking wounded, dangerously so, cast adrift to fend for themselves. After Iraq our cities, towns and communities will fill with them. We will live with these powder kegs for a whole generation. No one should ask why they sometimes malfunction and go off unexpectedly. All weapons usually do, unless the firing pin, fuse or detonator has been removed, disarmed or reset at safety. No wonder they create such violence. The wonder is that they do not create more! Of course the military and the government are not interested in looking into or discussing these matters. That can of worms is too big, too costly to open and too open-ended. The ramifications could go anywhere. Hell, instead of Hail to the Chief we might decide to Impeach the Chief! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:23 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: [vvawnet] Across America,Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles Hallo, The mail below is a long, long read but some of you may be interested. It shows what those with control, money, power are willing to do to our sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, husbands and wives, mothers and fathers for the sake of national interest and in the name of peace and stability. This particular article is about the USA but ALL countries have their hands in this kind of mess of one sort or the other. Perhaps not in the same area or to the same extent, some may be better and some worse, but this is what big government/business is about in our throw-away society. Use and discard. Makes one ill. Happy Happy, Gustl This is a forwarded message From: Vietnam Veterans Against the War Date: Tuesday, 15 January, 2008, 14:09:09 Subject: [vvawnet] Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign
Re: [Biofuel] Not censorship, it's just selectorship
Hi Chris, You nailed it in one. Here's the full story. Regards. Bob. http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.html - Original Message - From: Chris Burck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Not censorship, it's just selectorship good to see people speaking out about it, however far below the radar. fwiw, i'd heard that isreal's motive was to cover up war crimes (their own highway of death) on which the liberty was eavesdropping. On 1/14/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo Bob, I certainly remember our sister ship, the Liberty. I also remember the Gulf of Tonkin incident. See the piece at Yahoo News cited below: http://snipurl.com/1xdix We have known this was a manufactured incident for a long time but apparently the whole story has just been confirmed and made official. Makes ones heart warm when pondering on the honesty of ones government. :o/ Happy Happy, Gustl Sunday, 13 January, 2008, 17:57:30, you wrote: BM Interesting comment from a retired US naval officer living in Malaysia. BM regards. BM Bob. BM Friends: BM I am using IE-9, Microsoft's latest browser which provides for multiple homepages. I have two US based News Media pages as homepages, plus Google's homepage... but not the vanilla, BM brown-paper wrapped version! BM I have installed Google homepage from Google Stuff, and opted to modify it with the Malaysian version, in which I get to select Malaysian oriented stuff. BM Vis. http://www.google.com.my/ig?hl=en. BM I have selected Malaysian News, which is a selection of World and Local news articles from local mainstream news sources here in Malaysia. They are, like other MSM sources in Amerika and BM elsewhere, influenced by government agencies, controls and economic factors which MSM organs cannot escape. In Malaysia the Free Press, is probably no more free than elsewhere. BM Yet, when I open all three of my homepage news sources and compare headlines in all three of them, I see the Malaysian News page is strongly outnumbered by the other two, strictly US pages, BM which seem to follow some kind of protocol or party lines... war, war, war... American problems in conflict, and the difficulties encountered exporting and distributing Freedom and Democracy to BM the rest of the world, while the Malaysian component seems to, naively perhaps, assume that most of the rest of the world is about as free and democratic as it will ever be, or not be, and does BM not waste much time on these issues, except from time to time, noticing that US Forces are killing a lot of people here and there, without much commentary on the altruistic motives and sacrifices BM behind such slaughter in the name of Freedom, God, and Democracy. BM Just one more small reason why it is nice living somewhere else. BM And a snip from his previous email re the recent threat to US naval forces in the Straits of Hormuz: BM Bush gets briefing on US-Iran incident BM By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent 10 minutes ago BM Note; Mr. Hunt is a White House Correspondent. I should stop reading here! BM MANAMA, Bahrain - A naval commander told President Bush on Sunday that he is taking the recent confrontation between Iranian and U.S. Navy forces in the Persian Gulf deadly seriously. BM White House press secretary Dana Perino said Bush did not raise the showdown in the Hormuz Strait when he spoke with U.S. Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff, commander of the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet, which BM patrols the Gulf. But Perino said Cosgriff told the president that he took it very seriously when an Iranian fleet of high-speed boats on Jan. 6 charged at and threatened to blow up a three-ship BM U.S. Navy convoy passing near Iranian waters. The Iranian naval forces vanished as the American ship commanders were preparing to open fire. BM If a fleet of boats, large or small, ...charged at and threatened to blow up a three-ship U.S. Navy convoy... (NOTE: The US Navy does not sail in convoy, as merchant ships do. Navies sail in BM Formations) and the Task Force Commander took it deadly seriously or even just seriously, it was his duty to open fire and destroy them. Defense of your vessels is the prime reason for him BM being there! He did not fire so apparently he did not perceive a threat, however dramatic his story may sound BM Most war stories are much more spectacular, frightening, and heroic, post-war! If Mr. Bush believed this man, he should have relieved him of Command before coffee was served. BM Bush spoke with Cosgriff after he had a breakfast of pancakes and bacon with troops of the U.S. 5th Fleet based in Bahrain. BM All the military people remember what happened in the past, such as the USS Cole, Perino said, referring to the October 2000 terrorist attack on a U.S.
Re: [Biofuel] For Sale: 300 Sq. Ft. House in Toronto
Why would anyone, including Torontoans, want to live in Toronto? Bob. - Original Message - From: Jesse Frayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] For Sale: 300 Sq. Ft. House in Toronto Say, in Toronto, that's a BIG house. We're rather small people, you know. And just look at the landscaping possibilities! --- Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Boulder, that wouldn't be a bad price per square foot... On Jan 14, 2008 5:31 AM, Bill Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 300 seems kind small that's like 15' X 20'. A standard Mobile Home is about 900. Something special about this house? Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: For Sale: 300 Sq. Ft. House in Toronto http://deathby1000papercuts.blogspot.com/2008/01/for-sale-300-sq-ft-house-in -toronto.html For Sale: 300 Sq. Ft. House in Toronto They're proud of it the asking price is $179, 900.00. - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080114/b2d6c72b/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Wildbill Sutton.VT - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080114/bbb1bcea/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Jesse Frayne itsdinner.ca Neighbourhood catering and general joie de livre Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Not censorship, it's just selectorship
Interesting comment from a retired US naval officer living in Malaysia. regards. Bob. Friends: I am using IE-9, Microsoft's latest browser which provides for multiple homepages. I have two US based News Media pages as homepages, plus Google's homepage... but not the vanilla, brown-paper wrapped version! I have installed Google homepage from Google Stuff, and opted to modify it with the Malaysian version, in which I get to select Malaysian oriented stuff. Vis. http://www.google.com.my/ig?hl=en. I have selected Malaysian News, which is a selection of World and Local news articles from local mainstream news sources here in Malaysia. They are, like other MSM sources in Amerika and elsewhere, influenced by government agencies, controls and economic factors which MSM organs cannot escape. In Malaysia the Free Press, is probably no more free than elsewhere. Yet, when I open all three of my homepage news sources and compare headlines in all three of them, I see the Malaysian News page is strongly outnumbered by the other two, strictly US pages, which seem to follow some kind of protocol or party lines... war, war, war... American problems in conflict, and the difficulties encountered exporting and distributing Freedom and Democracy to the rest of the world, while the Malaysian component seems to, naively perhaps, assume that most of the rest of the world is about as free and democratic as it will ever be, or not be, and does not waste much time on these issues, except from time to time, noticing that US Forces are killing a lot of people here and there, without much commentary on the altruistic motives and sacrifices behind such slaughter in the name of Freedom, God, and Democracy. Just one more small reason why it is nice living somewhere else. And a snip from his previous email re the recent threat to US naval forces in the Straits of Hormuz: Bush gets briefing on US-Iran incident By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent 10 minutes ago Note; Mr. Hunt is a White House Correspondent. I should stop reading here! MANAMA, Bahrain - A naval commander told President Bush on Sunday that he is taking the recent confrontation between Iranian and U.S. Navy forces in the Persian Gulf deadly seriously. White House press secretary Dana Perino said Bush did not raise the showdown in the Hormuz Strait when he spoke with U.S. Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff, commander of the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet, which patrols the Gulf. But Perino said Cosgriff told the president that he took it very seriously when an Iranian fleet of high-speed boats on Jan. 6 charged at and threatened to blow up a three-ship U.S. Navy convoy passing near Iranian waters. The Iranian naval forces vanished as the American ship commanders were preparing to open fire. If a fleet of boats, large or small, ...charged at and threatened to blow up a three-ship U.S. Navy convoy... (NOTE: The US Navy does not sail in convoy, as merchant ships do. Navies sail in Formations) and the Task Force Commander took it deadly seriously or even just seriously, it was his duty to open fire and destroy them. Defense of your vessels is the prime reason for him being there! He did not fire so apparently he did not perceive a threat, however dramatic his story may sound Most war stories are much more spectacular, frightening, and heroic, post-war! If Mr. Bush believed this man, he should have relieved him of Command before coffee was served. Bush spoke with Cosgriff after he had a breakfast of pancakes and bacon with troops of the U.S. 5th Fleet based in Bahrain. All the military people remember what happened in the past, such as the USS Cole, Perino said, referring to the October 2000 terrorist attack on a U.S. warship, the USS Cole. The attack in Yemen's Aden harbor by a small boat laden with explosives killed 17 sailors and nearly sank the Cole. Apparently, no one remembers the USS Liberty. I do! www.whatreallyhappened.com/ussliberty.html -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080114/12b3ce82/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Serious history
Where did the White Man Go Wrong? Indian Chief, 'Two Eagles,' was asked by a white government Official, You have observed the white man for 90 years. You've seen his wars and his technological advances. You've seen his progress, and the damage he's done. The Chief nodded in agreement. The official continued, Considering all these events, in your opinion, where did the white man go wrong? The Chief stared at the government official for over a minute and then calmly replied. When white man find land, Indians running it. No taxes. No debt. Plenty buffalo. Plenty beaver. Clean Water. Plenty fish. Women do all the work. Medicine man free. Indian man spend all day hunting and fishing; all night having sex. Then the chief leaned back and smiled. Only white man dumb enough to think he can improve system like that. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071130/58575d6e/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] One person's dream, another's nightmare
Good one, Chris. Regards, Bob. Oh, you mean I need to answer that? Choose sides? Um, isn't that the basic problem here, choosing who are the good guys? Lemme see, perhaps I can work it out. First, let's get the word terrorist off the table. Very few entities can be terror organizations. Terror is a tactic or weapon used in warfare such as, say, propaganda yet we do not generally refer to armies as terror organizations or propaganda organizations. Consider the shock and awe maneuvre that opened the Iraq War. The very name was calculated to create terror, let alone the minimum 45,000 civilian casualties it caused. Should we now refer to the Government of the United States as a terror organization? The situation in Palestine is such that terror is inflicted by both sides. The IDF uses sophisticated weaponry to kill and maim Palestinian civilians, factions within the occupied territories fire rockets - both (supposedly) in the belief that it will somehow cause the opposite party to change their minds. Therefore the term becomes meaningless - either both are terrorists or neither. What we are left with is the question of morality or which is the just cause. What is going on is asymmetric warfare. The Israelis want the Palestinians gone but they cannot just grind them under tanks or they would lose their support in the U.S. So they blast a few houses, shoot a few Palestinians to scatter the populace then move in a few settlers. The Pals want to scare the settlers off so they fire rockets. Each is stuck in their own groove. The Israelis get to sell the Pals to the world under the terrorist brand-name (made so popular by Bush) the Pals slow up the settlement process. (If you have ever wondered why 400,000 Israelis would go and settle where an occasional rocket might spoil the day, check out the inducements: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CEED9103EF937A35750C0A9669 58260 it's an old article but so is the strategy. The inducements are greater now than ever.) From the Palestinian point of view, the settlers are the enemy. They are, after all, knowingly moving into and taking over Palestinian land. They are not innocent passersby. Consider how you would react if the US was still occupied 60 years after a Japanese victory and the Japanese army was clearing Americans from their homes, bulldozing them and financially assisting Japanese into homes built on the land. Most Americans would see those Japanese settlers as complicit I think. The Israeli aim is to expel Palestinians from ancestral lands so if they have an enemy, it is one they themselves have created. When they take aim and fire at a civilian home, that civilian may indeed be innocent of any act of war. For this reason I believe the Palestinian cause correctly merits the term just. As it happens, the U.N agrees. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. In this conflict Israel fights for territory, the Palestinians for freedom from oppression on what remains of their land. The history of the conflict makes it clear that the Pals are simply trying to hold on to the last 20% of the land that was their own until half of it was given to Zionists by the victors of WW2. It is not often understood by most commentators on this conflict that even if the Israelis retreated to the pre-1967 borders the Palestinians would still have given up over half their rightful homeland. Most Pals accept this. The current desperate fight is to resist Israel's attempt to take it all and expel the entire Palestinian population. Which part makes me want to throw up? The whole damn mess, two groups of people trying to push each other out of a potential Eden, egged on by the greatest military power on earth while the world around us goes to hell in a bucket. Hmmm, didn't mean to sound off like that. Must've fogotten my medication again... - Original Message - From: Chris Burck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] One person's dream, another's nightmare which part made you throw up? On 11/21/07, Bob Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I came across this in a publication called Shamir Readers. It made me think, at first, until the puking started, then all I could do was throw up. Regards,Bob. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shamireaders/messages http://www.arabisto.com:80/p_blogEntry.cfm?blogEntryID=688 A seldom visited point of view by Aref Assaf of the former village of Allar, a wonderfully beautiful and sad place in Palestine. Allar with its Crusader abbey, a spring and a great fig-tree was destroyed in 1948. It is now part of an Israeli village called Mata. Assaf lives in New Jersey. He is writing in answer to an article by a Jewish American girl who plans to move to Israel. Assaf says he doesn't mind her move, and he does not mind Israel as Jewish state, he is opposed
[Biofuel] One person's dream, another's nightmare
Hi All, I came across this in a publication called Shamir Readers. It made me think, at first, until the puking started, then all I could do was throw up. Regards,Bob. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shamireaders/messages http://www.arabisto.com:80/p_blogEntry.cfm?blogEntryID=688 A seldom visited point of view by Aref Assaf of the former village of Allar, a wonderfully beautiful and sad place in Palestine. Allar with its Crusader abbey, a spring and a great fig-tree was destroyed in 1948. It is now part of an Israeli village called Mata. Assaf lives in New Jersey. He is writing in answer to an article by a Jewish American girl who plans to move to Israel. Assaf says he doesn't mind her move, and he does not mind Israel as Jewish state, he is opposed to the settlement of occupied territories. Read from the bottom up. To comment on Dr Assaf's piece, click on his blog entry: http://www.arabisto.com:80/p_blogEntry.cfm?blogEntryID=688 Abby's dream, my catastrophe. The article below is a quick response to an piece headlined, Our dream will bring us to another land by an American citizen named Abigail Leichman. In her article, Abby, a staff writer for the Bergen Record who often writes about food, etiquette and home decorating interests, is making her goodbyes as she prepares to return to her biblical homeland, Israel. She also writes for Jewish papers about Israel and other Jewish matters, including a piece on the recent 'real estate fair held in Teaneck to sell American Jews lands to build more settlements in Israel. Could it be that Abby was influenced by this event? The organizer's flyer proclaimed: Come learn how you, a group of friends, or even a community can own a home and strengthen the Zionist dream. My response to this article was very spontaneous because Abby's words exposed old wounds and shattered dreams. This was a very painful letter to write but it needed to be said. More than anything else, I hope Abby will read my words. I urge you to first read the article then read my short response which I sent to the Bergen Record. Much more can and should be said but to render my response publishable, I had to keep it short. AA Bergen Record To the Editor Dear Editor: Re: Our dream will bring us to another land I wish I could be a garment in Abby Leichman's luggage as she prepares to go 'home' to Israel. Even though I was born in Palestine and was nurtured by its dry sun and arid soil, I am unable to join Abby in her journey simply because I am not Jewish. Abby, who admits to not being fluent in the local language or culture, and was probably born in New Jersey, will be welcomed with open arms by other foreign settlers. While Abby will automatically receive Israeli citizenship, I will be denied that privilege and, if not thrown back onto the next departing plane, I may be issued a temporary tourist visa to my homeland. This encapsulates but never fully conveys the essence of the Palestinian people's plight. Abby's heartwarming story may solicit compassion and 'good wishes' from some readers. Yet it is the tragic destiny of the other unmentioned side, the Palestinian Arabs who understandably will not throw the red carpet for Abby. I wish Abby had told her readers that her going home to Israel will mean Palestinians will have lost more of their lands and groves. This is the area occupied by Israel since 1967. As part of a final peaceful resolution between the Palestinians and the Jews, this parcel of historic Palestine, the West Bank and Gaza, was supposed to become the future Palestine state which our President has envisioned since 2002. I have no issue with Abby living in Tel Aviv or Beersheba. In fact, most Palestinians have accepted the two- state solution by ceding 78% of historic Palestine to Israel and asking for the remainder to be their future Palestine state. I do, however, have a major issue with her joining the over 400,000 other settlers who, because of ideological or monetary incentives, choose to live in stolen lands belonging to the Palestinians. These lands, through government-authorized confiscations and illegal and counterfeit purchases will be where Abby will build her home. Abby did not share with us this little secret. Abby's new home will mean that Palestinians will be squeezed into even more suffocating enclaves, surrounded by barbed wire, massive walls, and hundreds of checkpoints. Abby may never experience being stopped by an Israeli solder at these checkpoints, deep into the occupied West Bank, because in fact these structures primarily separate Palestinians from other Palestinians, separate Palestinians from their fields, from their places of worship and their schools. Dear Abby, you tell us that you are returning to your ancestral home to build a nation. But what about my ancestral home in Palestine, and what about the thriving nation you will have destroyed? What about my
[Biofuel] Melanoma of the brain, perhaps?
Hi all, This is either science faction (fictionalised fact) or else we'd better find some good sunburn cream. Regards, Bob. http://www.vialls.com/myahudi/sunburn.html http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7147.htm http://www.esquire.com/features/iranbriefing1107 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071026/bdeff930/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Ernie said it.
Ernie Said It by Charley Reese http://www.lewrockwell.com/reese/reese400.htm Ernie Hemingway explained the problem many years ago. The first thing politicians do to hide their mismanagement, he said, is inflate the currency; the second thing they do is go to war. Our currency has been inflated and we are at war. The demonization of the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, which you saw take place in New York City and on American television, is just the first step in preparing the country for a third war. The president of Columbia, Lee Bollinger, disgraced himself. Instead of introducing his invited guest speaker, he launched a tirade of abuse and insults. Obviously, he was in hot water with some of Columbia's big donors for inviting Ahmadinejad and chose that petty, shabby way of trying to ingratiate himself to the school's angry sugar daddies. All Bollinger succeeded in doing was making Ahmadinejad look good in comparison with him. Whether you agree with Iran's president or not, he's the wrong guy to try to demonize. First of all, he is not a dictator. He is an elected president with very little power. He has to get past the legislature, and the real power rests with the senior cleric, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Khamenei controls foreign policy and is commander in chief of all of Iran's armed forces. The legislature rejected nearly all of Ahmadinejad's recommendations for ministers. When he tried to allow women to attend soccer games, the clerics overruled him. The claims that Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust and has called for the destruction of Israel are false. He has called for regime change, which is something American politicians do every time they find a country whose policies they disagree with. Regime change is a change of government, not genocide. As for the Holocaust, he said it raised two questions: Why put people in prison who question details of the official version, which is what several European countries do? Why should the Palestinians be made to pay for it? Both are good questions. How American politicians can call Iran a dangerous country and claim that it poses a threat to the U.S. is a mystery. On second thought, it is not a mystery. It just tells you that the politicians think you and I are so stupid that we will fall for the exact same parade of lies and exaggerations that was used to justify the war against Iraq. Think for yourself. Iran has no nuclear weapons, and its military is designed for defense. It has no offensive capability - no air force, no navy to speak of. Israel, on the other hand, is usually ranked as the fifth most powerful military state on the planet. It has more than 200 nuclear weapons and a superb air force. Iran has said it has no desire to attack Israel or any other country. It has said its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes and that it has no desire for a nuclear weapon. The head cleric has issued a fatwa against nuclear weapons. And there is not one shred of evidence that Iran is pursuing a nuclear weapon. Just remember the lies told to you before Iraq: that Saddam Hussein was pursuing a nuclear weapon; that he had enormous stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons. The only thing he really had was oil. That's why we went to war, and that's why the administration wants to go to war with Iran. I've heard some politicians say that Ahmadinejad has blood on his hands. Well, our $40 billion worth of intelligence cannot even determine if he was involved in the taking of the American embassy back in 1979. As for blood, American politicians have far more Iranian blood on their hands. We overthrew Iran's democratic government and installed the Shah and his secret police. We sided with and assisted Saddam Hussein when he invaded Iran. Tens of thousands of Iranians are dead because of America's foreign policy. We truly have a corrupt and incompetent government in Washington. Charley Reese has been a journalist for 49 years. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071023/18e7b8b7/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Open letter from Islam to Christianity
138 Muslim Scholars Issue Open Letter to Christian Religious Leaders | IslamToday / Agencies| 11 October 2007 138 of the world's leading Muslim scholars and intellectuals from all branches of Islam (Sunni and Shia, Salafi and Sufi, liberal and conservative) had come together to write a letter entitled A Common Word Between Us and You, to the world's Christian leaders. The drafting of the letter was organized by the Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute for Islamic Thought in Amman, Jordan. Though its message has been said by Muslim scholars many times before, it is the first time so many high-profile Muslims have come together in public to make such a unified call for peace. The letter was launched first in Jordan this morning, and then in other countries over the course of the day, the letter gets its final unveiling at a joint press conference in Washington D.C. this afternoon by Mustafa Ceric, Grand Mufti of Bosnia, and John Esposito, Director of the Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding at Georgetown University. In a display of unprecedented unity, the letter - which calls for peace between the world's Christians and Muslims - is signed by no fewer than 19 current and former grand ayatollahs and grand muftis from countries as diverse as Egypt, Turkey, Russia, Syria, Jordan, and Palestine. War-torn Iraq was represented by both Shi'ites and Sunnis. It is addressed to Christianity's most powerful leaders, including the pope, the archbishop of Canterbury and the heads of the Lutheran, Methodist and Baptist churches, and, in 15 pages laced with Qur'anic and Biblical scriptures, argues that the most fundamental tenets of Islam and Christianity are identical: love of one (and the same) God, and love of one's neighbor. On this basis the letter reasons that harmony between the two religions is not only necessary for world peace, it is natural. As Muslims, we say to Christians that we are not against them and that Islam is not against them - so long as they do not wage war against Muslims on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes . Our very eternal souls are all at stake if we fail to sincerely make every effort to make peace, the letter reads. If Muslims and Christians are not at peace, the world cannot be at peace. With the terrible weaponry of the modern world; with Muslims and Christians intertwined everywhere as never before, no side can unilaterally win a conflict between more than half of the world's inhabitants, the scholars wrote. Our common future is at stake. The very survival of the world itself is perhaps at stake, It's an astonishing achievement of solidarity, says David Ford, director of the Cambridge University's Interfaith Program. I hope it will be able to set the right key note for relations between Muslims and Christians in the 21st century, which have been lacking since September 11. One profound obstacle to establishing positive relations among mainstream Muslim and Christian groups, argues Ford, has been the lack of a single, authoritative Muslim voice to participate in such a dialogue. This letter changes that. It proves that Islam can have an unambiguous, unified voice, says Aref Ali Nayed, a leading Islamic scholar and one of the letter's authors. Sources: Emily Flynn Vencat, Giving Peace a Chance Newsweek October 11, 2007 Peter Graff, Unprecedented Muslim call for peace with Christians Reuters October 11, 2007 Jumana Farouky, Muslim Leaders Send Peace Message Time October 11, 2007 =QQQ== __ . __,_._,___ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071021/e46ecea7/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Running with scissors
Hi All, If imminent death sharpens the mind wonderfully, is retirement a prelude? This little gem suggests it is at least a wonderful spur to clearing the conscience. Enjoy, Bob. May 21, 2004 Senator Hollings Is Right It's all about Israel by Justin Raimondo Isn't it funny how politicians have to wait until just before going into retirement to say what they really think about Israel and its influence over Washington policymakers? Congressman Lee Hamilton (D-Indiana), formerly the senior Democrat on the House International Relations Committee, waited until after announcing his departure from Congress to attend a symposium on the Middle East where he noted that his congressional colleagues are not even-handed when it comes to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict for political reasons. Rep. Hamilton went on to say: Israeli leaders understand our system very, very well [and] because they understand our system they can exploit it. Rep. Sonny Callahan (R-Alabama) earned the ire of Tel Aviv's lobby by opposing emergency aid to Israel. In a speech on the House floor, a clearly angered Callahan lashed out at the Amen Corner: I am going to offer amendments as we go through the bill to strike all of the aid to Israel that was included here without any request from Israel, without any request from the administration, without any requests from anybody. But someone within this beltway decided since we were going to have a supplemental bill, they were going to get some pork in it for Israel. Please note that Callahan did this only after announcing his retirement plans. Now Senator Ernest Hollings, whose legendary disdain for political correctness has gotten him in trouble before, has joined the ranks of the belatedly honest, and said what a few others - such as Michael Kinsley, Pat Buchanan, and myself - have said all along. In an op-ed piece first published in the Charleston Post and Courier, the senator, having just announced his retirement, took up the question of why are we in Iraq, and came up with this answer: Now everyone knows what was not the cause. Even President Bush acknowledges that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11. Listing the 45 countries where al-Qaida was operating on September 11 (70 cells in the U.S.), the State Department did not list Iraq. Richard Clarke, in Against All Enemies, tells how the United States had not received any threat of terrorism for 10 years from Saddam at the time of our invasion. . Of course there were no weapons of mass destruction. Israel's intelligence, Mossad, knows what's going on in Iraq. They are the best. They have to know. Israel's survival depends on knowing. Israel long since would have taken us to the weapons of mass destruction if there were any or if they had been removed. With Iraq no threat, why invade a sovereign country? The answer: President Bush's policy to secure Israel. Hollings goes on to identify a domino school of thought that the way to guarantee Israel's security is to spread democracy in the area, naming deputy Defense Secretary and chickenhawk-in-chief Paul Wolfowitz, neoconservative hardliner and Francophile Richard Perle, and former psychiatrist and deranged warmonger Charles Krauthammer. He furthermore goes on to savage George W. Bush, whose sole thought since taking office, according to Hollings, has been reelection, with a radical tilt toward Israel by U.S. policymakers a key part of the game plan: Spreading democracy in the Mideast to secure Israel would take the Jewish vote from the Democrats. You don't come to town and announce your Israel policy is to invade Iraq. But George W. Bush, as stated by former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill and others, started laying the groundwork to invade Iraq days after inauguration. And, without any Iraq connection to 9/11, within weeks he had the Pentagon outlining a plan to invade Iraq. He was determined. Hollings has been roundly denounced and his remarks attributed to anti-Semitism by Israel's amen corner in the U.S. But there is nothing secret about the open effort by the Republican party to capture the Jewish vote. The whole idea of politics, after all, is mobilizing various interest groups around a particular candidate and building a majority coalition. Pandering to ethnic blocs is a grand American political tradition: it comes with being a nation of immigrants, which is something we're all supposed to glory in. Every ethnic group of any numerical significance is pandered to, in some way, and politicians are always making ethnic-based appeals. The Republican party's outreach to the Hispanic community is pursued to the point where our President often bursts into long stretches of Spanish (perhaps because it makes him sound less inarticulate, at least to those who have no idea what he's saying). Why
Re: [Biofuel] Don't let's be beastly to the Germans
Hi Mike, Greetings and felicitations from Godzone. Loved your Noel Coward piece. Wasn't he the bloke who also bracketed mad dogs and Englishmen? Hmmm, perhaps we're dealing with satire here. Not the best basis for clarity in any discussion. Re points 18-20 of Santomauro's article: they boil down to a single issue - that the word holocaust (originally meaning major destruction by fire) has been expropriated to serve a single meaning: the Shoah or mass murder of European Jewry by the Nazis (note: I didn't say the Germans) between 1936 and 1945. Hence mention of the Holocaust (note: I didn't use the correct word Shoah because it is meaningless to most people) evokes emotions of both sympathy and guilt in non-Jewish western communities. Such emotions can be, and are, focused for political purposes. Among them is the need by Zionists (note: I did not say Jews, there is a very clear difference) to cover their crimes and misdeeds in the Middle East, not least being the Nakba or genocide of Palistinians and expropriation of their property during and after the formation of the present State of Israel, and also the ongoing war of attrition in which thousands of Palestinians and Lebanese have lost their lives. Such crimes, if committed by any other nation, would bring major world condemnation if not actual military intervention as in the case of Serbia. Thus the holocaust is the notional hairshirt, the red herring if you like, which serves to keep the non-Jewish westerner in a state of unease and indecision when he or she dares to question Zionist politics or their criminally insane foreign policy. In brief: the Holocaust and criticism of Zionism are conflated into a single issue so that the emotions generated by the one serve to cover the crimes of the other. The second and perhaps most succesful part of this semantic sleight of hand is that criticism of Zionism is then seen as rejection of Judaism or anti-semitism. Of course, once you have released the anti-semitism beast into any debate all logical discussion comes to a halt. Recommended background reading: My Israel Question by Anthony Loewenstein, Melbourne University Press, 2006. Also - if you have a strong stomach - Google Nakba and read the first few entries. Then Google B'Tselem, the Jewish (note, I didn't say Zionist) peace group located in Tel Aviv. That should keep you queasily reading for a least a month, after which we can talk about Noel Coward - a subject easier to digest. Alternately come and visit me here in the stunning Bay of Islands where if I turn off my computer, throw the telly out of the window, stop all the papers, toss a few rods and some beers into the boat, and raise sail I can truly believe we live in Paradise. Best wishes Mike, Bob. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ What are theseWhen properly untries - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Don't let's be beastly to the Germans Thanks, I thought so. These are 18-20 of Santomauro's piece.Which question(s) are you asking? 18) Why has Holocaust Revisionism been criminalized in at least eleven countries…what other historic truth needs the threat of prison or the destruction of one's career to maintain itself. Should someone be sent to prison for expressing skepticism about the official Chinese claim that they suffered thirty-five million dead in World War II. 19) Why do the court historians insist that denying the Holocaust is like denying slavery or saying the earth is flat when it is nothing of the sort. The leading Revisionists are first rate scholars who hold advanced degrees from the world's leading universities. Is there anyone comparable among those who say the world is flat or that slavery never existed? 20) Promoters of the Holocaust have expressed concerns about the remembering the Holocaust once the last survivors die. Why haven't Civil War historians expressed similar concerns since the last survivor of that conflict died in 1959? Keith Addison wrote: Hello Mike Nice bit bit of ol' wartime jingoism you dragged up there eh? That'll help a lot. What it doesn't help do though is hide the fact that for all this flailing about you still haven't answered the question, since it was you Bob put it to in the first place. So I'll ask it again, right here at the top: ... But in fact it begs the question, posed in items 18-20 of Santomauro's piece. This is the nub of the matter. Why is this subject banned from discussion in 11 countries (with a 12th about to come on line
[Biofuel] Iran Israel - the real oil.
Hi All, John Churchilly's latest piece on the upcoming war with Iran makes for interesting reading. Regards, Bob. October 06, 2007 Iran and Israel - understanding the dynamics http://www.iranaffairs.com/iran_affairs/2007/10/iran-and-israel.html The real threat that Iran poses to Israel is that Iran and the US may start to get along, thus undermining Israel's strategic value to the US and creating an obstacle to Israel's regional ambitions. Promoting emnity between the US and Iran also gives the pro-Israeli lobby a reason to exist, even though it is contrary to broader US interests. By now you're quite familar with the standard trope in which Iran, the crazed fundamentalist regime, is supposedly seeking nuclear weapons in order to pose an 'existential' threat to Israel. This is a convenient way to frame the issue, because among other things is perpetuates the mythology of Israel as the underdog victim, facing down a sea of irrationally hostile neighbors. That's why the Israeli propagandists make a particular effort at locating and magnifying any statements from Iranian officials that they can characterize as being threatening to Israel - for example the alleged statement by Ahmadinejad (the New Hitlerhttp://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/09/24/ahmadinejad/index_np.html, we are told) about wiping out Israel - now thoroughly debunkedhttp://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/news/caught-red-handed/but still often repeated. The mythology of Israel as the always-victim was never true of course, as even Israeli historians now acknowledge - nor is it an accurate representation of the Israel-Iran dynamics either. http://www.amazon.com/Treacherous-Alliance-Secret-Dealings-Israel/dp/0300120575 The real threat to Israel: US-Iran engagement What is the real nature of the threat that Iran poses to Israel? Is it that Iran is going to drop a nuke on Israel? No. According to Trita Parsi, author of Treacherous Alliance: The Secret Dealings of Israel, Iran, and the United Stateshttp://www.amazon.com/Treacherous-Alliance-Secret-Dealings-Israel/dp/0300120575, Israel has often gotten along and cooperated with Iran when it suited their interests. In fact, when AIPAC was pushing for US sanctions laws on Iran that prohibited American companies from doing business with Iran, Israel was busy doing business with Iran through Turkey. The danger that Iran poses to Israel is not that Iran may one day decide to nuke Israel - the Iranians are not about to get into a sucidal nuclear exchange with anyone - no matter how hard the Israelis try to portray Iranians as crazed fundamentalists. Rather, the real danger posed by Iran to Israel is that Iran and the US may start to get along, leaving Israel out in the cold, threatening Israel's strategic value to the US, and posing an obstacle to Israel's domination of the Middle East. A secure, economically-stable Iran - which has the benefit of nuclear energy to power its economy in the future and is perceived as being technologically advanced - plus Iran's strategic position and relatively well-educated population of 75 million potential consumers of US goods, added to many other factors - all would pose too much of a temptation to the US to start to warm up to Iran - especially now that the Cold War is over and Israel's strategic utility to the US is severely diminished (assuming Israel was ever a strategic asset during the Cold War in the first place.) As Trita has writtenhttp://www.opendemocracy.net/democracy-irandemocracy/israel_2974.jsp It wasn't Iran that turned the Israeli-Iranian cold war warm it was Israel . . . The Israeli reversal on Iran was partially motivated by the fear that its strategic importance would diminish significantly in the post-cold war middle east if the then president (1989-97) Hashemi Rafsanjani's outreach to the Bush Sr administration was successful. And so http://williambowles.info/iran/iran_israel_strategy.html, Israeli politicians began painting the regime in Tehran as fanatical and irrational. Clearly, they maintained, finding an accommodation with such mad mullahs was a non-starter. Instead, they called on the US to classify Iran, along with Saddam Hussein's Iraq, as a rogue state that needed to be contained. The Iran-Bashing Industry Israel's characterization of Iran as an irrational threat that has to be contained rather than engaged has had the added benefit of providing a raison d'etre for the hardline pro-Israeli lobby in the US. By 1993, with the end of the Cold War and the start of the Israeli-Palestinian peace process under Rabin, AIPAC had lost its purpose and was in a tailspin due to a series of scandals. It had essentially broken off from the Labor government in Israel over the peace process, and had alienated Bush I administration too. AIPAC's swing to the hardline Right had also alienated a good chunk of the Jewish community in the US and had raised quite a bit of ire controversy all around by its
[Biofuel] The unspoken Holocaust
Hi all, Back again, asking more questions. Read only the last paragraph if the rest enrages you. Shouldn't I just shut up? Regards, Bob. The Destruction of Ethnic Germans and German Prisoners of War in Yugoslavia, 1945-1953 Tomislav Sunic From the European and American media, one can often get the impression that World War II needs to be periodically resurrected to give credibility to financial demands of one specific ethnic group, at the expense of others. The civilian deaths of the war's losing side are, for the most part, glossed over. Standard historiography of World War II is routinely based on a sharp and polemical distinction between the ugly fascists who lost, and the good anti-fascists who won, and few scholars are willing to inquire into the gray ambiguity in between. Even as the events of that war become more distant in time, they seemingly become more politically useful and timely as myths. German military and civilian losses during and especially after World War II are still shrouded by a veil of silence, at least in the mass media, even though an impressive body of scholarly literature exists on that topic. The reasons for this silence, due in large part to academic negligence, are deep rooted and deserve further scholarly inquiry. Why, for instance, are German civilian losses, and particularly the staggering number of postwar losses among ethnic Germans, dealt with so sketchily, if at all, in school history courses? The mass media -- television, newspapers, film and magazines -- rarely, if ever, look at the fate of the millions of German civilians in central and eastern Europe during and following World War II. [1] The treatment of civilian ethnic Germans -- or Volksdeutsche -- in Yugoslavia may be regarded as a classic case of ethnic cleansing on a grand scale. [2] A close look at these mass killings presents a myriad of historical and legal problems, especially when considering modern international law, including the Hague War Crimes Tribunal that has been dealing with war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Balkan wars of 1991-1995. Yet the plight of Yugoslavia's ethnic Germans during and after World War II should be of no lesser concern to historians, not least because an understanding of this chapter of history throws a significant light on the violent breakup of Communist Yugoslavia 45 years later. A better understanding of the fate of Yugoslavia's ethnic Germans should encourage skepticism of just how fairly and justly international law is applied in practice. Why are the sufferings and victimhood of some nations or ethnic groups ignored, while the sufferings of other nations and groups receive fulsome and sympathetic attention from the media and politicians? At the outbreak of World War II in 1939, more than one and a half million ethnic Germans were living in southeastern Europe, that is, in Yugoslavia, Hungary, and Romania. Because they lived mostly near and along the Danube river, these people were popularly known Danube Swabians or Donauschwaben. Most were descendants of settlers who came to this fertile region in the 17th and 18th centuries following the liberation of Hungary from Turkish rule. For centuries the Holy Roman Empire and then the Habsburg Empire struggled against Turkish rule in the Balkans, and resisted the Islamization of Europe. In this struggle the Danube Germans were viewed as a rampart of Western civilization, and were held in high esteem in the Austrian (and later, Austro-Hungarian) empire for their agricultural productivity and military prowess. Both the Holy Roman and Habsburg empires were multicultural and multinational entities, in which diverse ethnic groups lived for centuries in relative harmony. After the end of World War I, in 1918, which brought the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Habsburg empire, and the imposed Versailles Treaty of 1919, the juridical status of the Donauschwaben Germans was in flux. When the National Socialist regime was established in Germany in 1933, the Donauschwaben were among the more than twelve million ethnic Germans who lived in central and eastern Europe outside the borders of the German Reich. Many of these people were brought into the Reich with the incorporation of Austria in 1938, of the Sudetenland region of Czechoslovakia in 1939, and of portions of Poland in late 1939. The German question, that is, the struggle for self-determination of ethnic Germans outside the borders of the German Reich, was a major factor leading to the outbreak of World War II. Even after 1939, more than three million ethnic Germans remained outside the borders of the expanded Reich, notably in Romania, Yugoslavia, Hungary and the Soviet Union. In the first Yugoslavia -- a monarchical state created in 1919 largely as
[Biofuel] Olive branch
Hi All, S,funny, I asked a question on hydropower last week and immediately had four very helpful answers. I followed that up with a query on a subject which has long puzzled me and got clobbered. Granted, it was political dynamite but we're all grown up here, right? Right? Anyho, just for the Weaver Bird and those feeling similarly aggrieved, here is an olive branch Subject: Stella Awards Proof of entitlement mentality It's time again for the annual Stella Awards! For those unfamiliar with these awards, they are named after 81-year-old Stella Liebeck who spilled hot coffee on herself and successfully sued the McDonald's in New Mexico where she purchased the coffee. You remember, she took the lid off the coffee and put it between her knees while she was driving. Who would ever think one could get burned doing that, right? That's right; these are awards for the most outlandish lawsuits and verdicts in the U.S. You know, the kinds of cases that make you scratch your head. So keep your head scratcher handy. Here are the Stella's for the past year: 7TH PLACE: Kathleen Robertson of Austin, Texas was awarded $80,000 by a jury of her peers after breaking her ankle tripping over a toddler who was running inside a furniture store. The store owners were understandably surprised by the verdict, considering the running toddler was her own son. 6TH PLACE: Carl Truman, 19, of Los Angeles, California won $74,000 plus medical expenses when his neighbor ran over his hand with a Honda Accord. Truman apparently didn't notice there was someone at the wheel of the car when he was trying to steal his neighbor's hubcaps. Go ahead, grab your head scratcher. 5TH PLACE: Terrence Dickson, of Bristol, Pennsylvania, who was leaving a house he had just burglarized by way of the garage. Unfortunately for Dickson, the automatic garage door opener malfunctioned and he could not get the garage door to open. Worse, he couldn't re-enter the house because the door connecting the garage to the house locked when Dickson pulled it shut. Forced to sit for eight, count 'em, EIGHT, days on a case of Pepsi and a large bag of dry dog food, he sued the homeowner's insurance company claiming undue mental anguish. Amazingly, the jury said the insurance company must pay Dickson $500,000 for his anguish. We should all have this kind of anguish. Keep scratching. There are more... 4TH PLACE: Jerry Williams, of Little Rock, Arkansas, garnered 4th Place in the Stella's when he was awarded $14,500 plus medical expenses after being bitten on the butt by his next door neighbor's beagle - even though the beagle was on a chain in its owner's fenced yard. Williams did not get as much as he asked for because the jury believed the beagle might have been provoked at the time of the butt bite because Williams had climbed over the fence into the yard and repeatedly shot the dog with a pellet gun. Gr ... Scratch, scratch. 3RD PLACE: Amber Carson of Lancaster, Pennsylvania because a jury ordered a Philadelphia restaurant to pay her 113,500 after she slipped on a spilled soft drink and broke her tail bone. The reason the soft drink was on the floor: Ms. Carson had thrown it at her boyfriend 30 seconds earlier during an argument. What ever happened to people being responsible for their own actions? Scratch, scratch, scratch. Hang in there; there are only two more Stella's to go... 2ND PLACE: Kara Walton, of Claymont, Delaware sued the owner of a night club in a nearby city because she fell from the bathroom window to the floor, knocking out her two front teeth. Even though Ms. Walton was trying to sneak through the ladies room window to avoid paying the $3.50 cover charge, the jury said the night club had to pay her $12,000oh, yeah, plus dental expenses. Go figure. 1ST PLACE: (fanfare on 50 kazoos) This year's runaway First Place Stella Award winner was Mrs. Merv Grazinski, of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, who purchased a new 32-foot Winnebago motor home. On her first trip home, from an OU foot ball game, having driven on to the freeway, she set the cruise control at 70 mph and calmly left the driver's seat to go to the back of the Winnebago to make herself a sandwich. Not surprisingly, the motor home left the freeway, crashed and overturned. Also not surprisingly, Mrs. Grazinski sued Winnebago for not stating in the owner's manual that she couldn't actually leave the driver's seat while the cruise control was set. The Oklahoma jury awarded her - are you sitting down - $1,750,000 PLUS a new motor home. Winnebago subsequently changed their manuals as a result of this suit, just in case Mrs. Grazinski has any relatives who might also buy a motor home. Are we, as a society, getting dumber or is it just too much TV?? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:
[Biofuel] Surely not a Fourth Front?
First Afghanistan, then Iraq, soon Iran and perhaps - if Shamir has it wrong - a Fourth Front? Defending Foxman, or Cool it, Armenians By Israel Shamir Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Abe Foxman, the head of the Jewish-Masonic thought police misnamed ADL, easily one of the most repulsive men in American public life, is not as good as a clock, but he can be right once in a while; and this time is now. The US Congress, this modern Areopagus of saints and sages, the highest moral authority of our planet, is about to condemn the Turks for massacring Armenians almost a century ago. 1915 was a long time ago, and the American legislators probably do not know where Armenia is and where it was then. This issue is a veritable can of worms, where nothing is as it appears. The reasons are anything but moral. Its American promoters wish to punish Turkey for staying out of the Iraq War and to scare this great country back into obedience. The Neocon plan for the New Middle East calls for the creation of a Greater Kurdistan including some parts of Eastern Anatolia, and the condemnation of Turkey may lead to a new attempt to tear the requisite lands away from Ankara . The Armenians, always keen to copycat the Jews, want to have a holocaust registered to their name, replete with compensations, museums and a permit to massacre their neighbors, Azeris. Why should the events of 1915 legitimize their atrocities against the Azeris, who actually allowed the Armenian refugees to settle in their land? Here again, the Armenians borrowed a leaf from the Jewish book: if the Jews can kill innocent Palestinians on whose land they found refuge after being expelled by Germans, the Armenians may do the same to the equally innocent Azeris. This decision is likely to antagonize Turkey, and thus it is not to be undertaken lightly; on the other hand, it is good to keep 'em on tiptoes, so they won't be too cocksure. In addition, Armenians have a small but efficient lobby, a little brother to the mighty Jewish one, and their desire has some weight. Now, in questions of importance an Italian consults with his priest, a Swiss - with his banker, a German with his policeman, while an American goes to the Jews who happily unite a financial and religious institution with a secret police function. This time, Abe Foxman gave a correct reply: A congressional action will not help reconcile the issue. The resolution takes a position; it comes to a judgment. The Turks and Armenians may need to revisit their past. The Jewish community shouldn't be the arbiter of that history, nor should the U.S. Congress. Afterwards, the ADL and three other powerful Jewish organizations- the American Jewish Committee, the Masonic B'nai Brith International, and the Jewish Institute of National Security Affairs - asked Congress to stay away from the trouble. The reasons of Foxman were as hard-nosed as those of the Armenian apologists. Turkey is traditionally friendly to the Jews, and a decision of the American congress is usually considered to be taken, or at least approved by the Jews. A hostile resolution is going to cause some ill feeling of Turks to the Jews and to the Jewish state; while the Armenians are traditional enemies of the Jews anyway. Foxman was attacked and almost lynched by many members of his community who had dreamed for years for a politically correct opportunity. [See http://www.jewcy.com/feature/ 2007-07-09/fire_foxman] It's hard to regret his possible political demise; but this time he was right. The U.S. Congress and the Jewish community shouldn't be the arbiter of history. If the Americans feel they must condemn mass killings, they should begin with themselves. Let them begin with mass killing of Iraqis and Afghanis, instead of paying for its surge. Afterwards, they may condemn the massacres done by their fathers and grandfathers - be it Dresden or Hiroshima , Vietnam or Cambodia , Philippines or Mexico, Atlanta or Wounded Knee - and compensate the sufferers, and all other nations they bombed and robbed. In such a way they will obtain some moral right to express their view, if not to sit in judgment. The Jews should get off their high horse, while they continue to suffocate and starve Gaza. Let them pay for the horrors of Al Nakba, the Palestinian holocaust, for 60 years, before voicing any view on genocides, whether in Turkey or in Sudan. But it is not likely they will. They do not know where to stop. This extremism will eventually cause their defeat. They had to take a good Communist idea to its Trotskyite extreme, and now, taking Holocaustism to its extreme, they launched a kNOw (cute!?) Genocide, a new multi-ethnic, non-partisan coalition formed to combat the ongoing denial of known cases of genocide, such as the Darfur, Cambodian, Jewish, Rwandan, and the Armenian genocides. I wonder why they stop at that. What about
[Biofuel] Help
Hi all, I'm exploring the possibilities of minor hydro power in my local area from waterfalls, lake outlets etc. but need a good rule of thumb for calculating the power potential. For example, what amount of power in kilowatts can I expect from a cubic metre of water or its kilolitre equivalent falling a distance of one metre? Regards, Bob. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070929/37d0d673/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Help
Hi guys, Michael, Doug, Kirk and Tallex, thanks for a stream of info on water power. Blown away by the response. Will be happily spending the next few days digesting. Regards, Bob. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Re Twentynine steps to the unthinkable
Whoa Weaver, Not true that I get smudge marks on my screen, at least not since my Mom made me wear gloves. As for that nasty remark about bird brain I'll have you know my ornithologist - who delivered me at birth - says I've got good pecking responses, so there. Your delightful holojerkery - the almost ubiquitous knee jerk response from yourself, Fritz and Hakan at mere mention of the subject - gladdened my avian soul. I couldn't stop chirping. But in fact it begs the question, posed in items 18-20 of Santomauro's piece. This is the nub of the matter. Why is this subject banned from discussion in 11 countries (with a 12th about to come on line i.e. the recent American hate speech law which sailed through Congress) and why do otherwise apparently sane and intelligent people suddenly go la-la when asked to contemplate the anomalies? Don't feel too remiss, Mike. My Israeli cuzzies and rellies still jump up and down when I mention the Nakba, and they can be a lot more scathing, believe me. Over the years I have come to wonder if perhaps the Holocaust story has been used to weave a political hair shirt to keep likely dissenters in line while another holocaust - an ever-increasing obscenity of more than 50 years standing - is pursued with even more inhuman zeal than ever fascism could summon to its cause. Yours in clawdom, Bob. PS: would you Weavers be related to my auntie's clan, the Thrushes? Just asking - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Twentynine steps to the unthinkable Bob Molloy wrote: Gee Bob, thanks for posting this. What's next? A cut and paste proof that global warming is a hoax? The war in Iraq is about liberation? Apartheid didn't happen? It's one thing to be as ignorant as you are; it's quite another thing to wave it about so proudly. When you do learn to read with getting smudge marks on your computer screen from using your finger, I urge you to do a little reseach before you post these moronic bleatings. You're a bird brain, and I mean that as an insult to the birds. -Mike Weaver ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Twentynine steps to the unthinkable
Ahmadinejad's Holocaust Problems are My Holocaust Problems Michael Santomauro - ReportersNoteBook Sept 27, 2007 The Holocaust consists of three basic elements: (1) Approximately six million Jews were deliberately killed. (2) These killings were part of a state sponsored program on the part of the Third Reich whose ultimate goal was the total eradication of the Jewish people. (3) The bulk of these murders took place in special death camps where the principal mechanism of execution was the homicidal gas chamber that utilized Zyclon B, a commercial pesticide whose active ingredient was hydrogen cyanide. That the Third Reich possessed the technological and administrative means to carry out such a vast amount of killing there is little doubt. The Soviet Union with significantly inferior assets in these areas was able to kill far greater numbers of human beings. Furthermore, the armies of the Third Reich succeeded in killing at least ten million of its heavily armed military opponents in the course of World War II. Hence the killing of six million unarmed civilians should not have presented any unique problems to such an industrially advanced and bureaucratically efficient state as Nazi Germany, on the contrary, it would have been far easier. My doubts about the Holocaust are not centered on whether it could have happened but whether it did happen. In fact many of the doubts that I have are a direct consequence of the fact that I have no doubt that it actually could have happened...but certainly not in the ways that have been described thus far in the ''official'' literature. It is part of the Western tradition in legal, scientific and intellectual matters that those asserting something have the burden of proof and that those who disagree are not required to provide evidence. This tradition however has been turned on its head regarding the Holocaust since the ''historical truth'' of the Holocaust has been posited in advance. Furthermore, even to express doubts can result in criminal penalties in at least 11 so-called democratic countries and the ruining of lives and careers in numerous others. Listed below are some of the ''problems '' I have with the Holocaust. Should these be cleared up it would go a long way toward my accepting it .they are in no particular order. 1) Why did Elie Wiesel and countless other Jews survive the Holocaust if it was the intention of the Third Reich to eliminate every Jew they got there hands on? Elie was a prisoner for several years; other Jews survived even longer. Most of these ''survivors'' were ordinary people who did not have any unique expertise that the Germans could have exploited for their war effort. There was no logical reason for them to be kept alive. The very existence of more than a million survivors even today, some sixty years later, contradicts one of the basic components of the Holocaust i.e. that the Germans had a policy to eliminate every Jew they got their hands on. 2) Why is their no mention of the Holocaust in Churchill's six volume History of the Second World War or the wartime memoirs of either De Gaulle or Eisenhower or any of the other lesser luminaries who wrote about the Second World War. Keep in mind all these were written years after the war ended and thus after the Holocaust had been allegedly proven by the Nuremberg Trials? With regard to the Holocaust, the silence of these cognoscenti is deafening! 3) What was an inmate infirmary (and a brothel) doing in Auschwitz if in fact it was a death camp? 4) Why would the Germans round up Jews from their far flung empire, thereby tying up large numbers of personnel and rolling stock, while fighting a world war on two fronts to deliver people to ''death camps'' hundreds of miles away who were then executed upon arrival.wouldn't a bullet on the spot have appealed to legendary German sense of efficiency? 5) Why after sixty years have historians been unable to come up with a single German document that points to a Holocaust? Should we believe the likes of Raul Hilberg that in the place of written orders there was an incredible meeting of the minds by the literally tens of thousands of people who would have had to coordinate their actions in order to carry out an undertaking of this magnitude. Prof. Hilberg's exact quote: But what began in 1941 was a process of destruction not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for destructive measures. They [these measures] were taken step by step, one step at a time. Thus came about not so much a plan being carried out, but an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus - mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy. Let us note again those final words: an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus - mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy. 6) How come it is still insisted upon that six million Jews were killed when the official
[Biofuel] Dyspeptic view
A friend in Vermont sent the following snippet. I hope his dyspepsia is better soon. Original Message Copy of Magna Carta to Be Sold http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20980735/ LONDON - A 13th-century copy of the Magna Carta, a milestone of English freedom, will be offered for sale in New York in December, Sotheby's auction house said Tuesday. Did no one notice? Both the Magna Carta and the U.S. Constitution were sold long ago by their guardians. I think they may have depreciated in value becauseof this, and are now hardly worth the paper they are printed on. See what the fishmonger will give us for them, Connie. And while they have all those bidders there in New York, see how much we can get for that damned French statue. Lots of copper in there. Give 'em all a tour out to the island, but make sure that Persian sonofabitch is not on the boat? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070927/289351cd/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] HL Mencken, July 1920
. . . all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre - the man who can most easily (and) adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070927/979a28c9/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Death of Lord Gilmour
Farewell to a Gentleman and a Friend of Palestine Some reflections in memory of Ian Gilmour, Lord Gilmour of Craigmillar by Ian Buckley Let us begin with the authentic voice of the man himself, from one of his many elegant and incisive book reviews : 'There was no such thing as Palestinians,' maintained Golda Meir, who hailed from Milwaukee. Perhaps many of us feel that the present world situation offers no opportunity for humour, but wit is one weapon that effectively pierces the armour of absurdity. Ian Gilmour was born in Scotland in 1926, and was therefore just old enough to serve at the end of World War II. This distinguished him from his future adversary Maggie Thatcher - who somehow managed to evade any form of national service - despite conscription for women having been introduced by the Churchill government in 1942. As a sensitive and civilised man he naturally disapproved of the gangster-like capitalism introduced under Ma Thatcher and since enthusiastically continued by her 'boys' Blair and Brown. Few have commented as persuasively on the subsequent brutal coarsening of British society as Ian Gilmour. And yet The Scotsman, just the sort of paper that Sir Ian would have read, had the temerity to refer to him as the 'wettest of the wets'. What does this silly phrase mean? That he didn't approve of the demolition of 25% of UK industry, including the closure of mines, shipyards and steel mills? Or that he was shocked by the return of beggars to the streets of English cities? As Ian noted in Dancing with Dogma : 'At the beginning of the war beggars vanished and were not seen for forty years. Then in the 1980s they reappeared on the streets of London.' His relative lack of success in worldly political terms was only to be expected, and indeed was itself a reflection of his strong principles. Ian Gilmour was not one to go running for favours to money barons and mega-corporations. Sir Ian's interest in the Middle East, and support for the Palestinian cause, dated back to 1967 when he was horrified by the conditions he saw in the West Bank refugee camps. He continued the commitment despite the ever-growing, indeed often grotesque media disinformation on the subject. The only slight criticism that one could make of Ian was that - rather like Edward Said - he was sometimes too gentlemanly towards the opposition. In his later years, Ian Gilmour was active in the campaign to free Samar and Jawad, even going to the length of standing surety for Samar. For those unfamiliar with the case, Jawad Botmeh and Samar Alami are two Palestinians accused of bombing the Israeli Embassy and Balfour House in North London during 1994, despite a total lack of evidence. While the trial judge was good enough to admit that there was no evidence linking either defendant with the bombings, the jury convicted both of conspiracy to cause explosions, and Samar and Jawad were sentenced to 20 years in jail. Go figure, as they say. Since the days of the novelist Henry Fielding, British judges have been popularly recognised as bombastic, domineering and out of touch. We imagine a musty, robed figure exclaiming : 'Who are the Beatles?' Additionally, the ordinary, decent, tax-paying working drones on the jury - accustomed to believing what they are told by authority - could hardly be familiar with the concept of the 'false flag' attack. Yet that's more or less certainly what happened in '94, prefiguring the larger-scale events of seven years later. In the House of Lords, he was an eloquent opponent of war against Iraq. All has unfolded as he predicted, a descent into disaster and mayhem : Over the Middle East, American hands are extremely dirty, and much of the grime will stick to Britain. Had we had more Ian Gilmours, and fewer plastic mechanical politicians who buzz along in the prevailing and fashionable direction, history would be different. Britain could have held out the hand of friendship to the Arab world, and I'm sure that any friendly gesture would have been returned. Hardly anyone else in British political life - still less American - would have made reference to the total destruction of 400 out of 500 Palestinian villages, a destruction so total that not a trace of them remains today. Why, he asked, did the West praise the oppressors, and blame the victims? This reasoning would be beyond the minions of New Labour, ignorant characters who probably think that the Nakba is a fancy London restaurant. To Ian Gilmour, Money was not God, and life was more than a supermarket. The shabby, noxious, self-deluded world-view of his opponents has, however, largely prevailed, with results that are only too obvious. __ At the same time, died his contemporary and a member of nobility, the eldest Palestinian statesman Dr Haidar Abdel Shafi, the last living PLO founder, was also along with Edward Said and Mustapha Barghouti the founder of the Palestinian
Re: [Biofuel] Your Genetic Code Is Not Carved in Stone
www.trdrp.org/research/PageInstitution.asp?institution_id=1059 - 12k - Cached - Similar pages Greetings and a few queries: a) is the author Al Sears MD related to, or a beneficiary of, the Sears-Roebuck trust which gained most of its income from catalogue selling, including the promotion of vitamin tablets as a health food? b) why does his name not appear on the Children's Hospital Oakland Research Institute homepage, url given above (if you find it difficult to open, cut and paste onto the Google search box and click again from here)? c) why does the Institute make no reference to this research on its research page which lists each researcher by name and also gives the amount of money awarded for the research? d) can you give an url for the source of your post? Thanks regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:38 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Your Genetic Code Is Not Carved in Stone Your Genetic Code Is Not Carved in Stone By Al Sears, MD New research is revealing how your environment actually changes your genetics - and it's putting you in the driver's seat. In November, the Children's Hospital Oakland Research Institute released the results of their groundbreaking study. They found that a mother's diet during pregnancy not only affects her child, but also her child's offspring. This means that the lifestyle choices a woman makes can affect several generations of children - a revolutionary idea that flies in the face of conventional wisdom. For more than 150 years - since the time of Darwin - scientists have believed that any changes to an organism cannot be passed on to the next generation. According to strict Darwinism, if you were to change your diet, lose weight, and become super-fit, your children would not benefit from your efforts. But we now know there is something more at play: the epigenome. The epigenome plays a powerful role in your health... and could make the difference between whether or not you inherit heart disease or diabetes or something else. Scientists in an emerging field of research - epigenetics - have discovered that your genes are only 15 percent of the total genetic material you get from your parents. For example, your genes give you many individualizing traits like blue eyes or brown hair. The remaining 85 percent - the epigenome - is a scaffolding of proteins that surround your DNA's double-helix pattern. As it turns out, this scaffolding functions as an interface that interacts with your environment. Based on the lifestyle choices you make, the epigenome has the power to turn genes on or off, changing the way your body translates your genetic coding into the proteins that make up YOU. The Children's Hospital Oakland study, lead by Dr. David Martin, split genetically identical pregnant mice into two groups. The mice had been bred in a way that gave the scientists the ability to monitor a gene that determined both the color of their coats and their tendency to develop chronic disease. So, by tracking coat color, they were able to follow the effects of vitamin supplementation across two generations of offspring. The first group of mice received a standard diet. The second group received the same diet, with the added benefit of supplemental vitamin B12, folate, choline, and zinc. When the babies were born, the females from both groups were mated and fed identical diets with no supplements. When the offspring gave birth, Dr. Martin's team discovered that the original mice that had the diet with extra vitamins passed the benefits on to both their children and grandchildren. Findings like these have powerful implications in both directions. It means that, by making healthy choices, your efforts can have a positive effect not only on your children but on your grandchildren as well. On the other hand, a diet of fast food and sodas will not only wreck your own health, it could predispose future generations to chronic diseases like obesity, diabetes, and heart disease. That helps to explain why so many schoolchildren suffer from high blood pressure and low HDL (good cholesterol). The poor dietary choices their parents made are coming home to roost. This discovery gives us new insight into a long-standing debate between Charles Darwin and a guy you may never have heard of - French naturalist Jean-Baptiste Lamarck. Darwin's theory, which has been shaping the direction of modern science, can be summed up in a few words: Genes cannot be affected by the outside world. In other words, your lifestyle choices have no effect on your genetic code or how those genes are expressed. But Lamarck believed that if an organism changes during its life in order to adapt to its environment, those changes would be passed on to its offspring - and Dr. Martin's study is one of several that are proving he was correct.
[Biofuel] Life created in a laboratory - was Can these people be trusted with our planet?
Hi Robert, Greetings and felicitations. (snip) Subjecting the existence of God to this process is simply laughable. How can the existence of God be empirically tested? It's as ludicrous an assertion as using the scientific method to determine whether or not your wife loves you. Yet I was taught in school that life originated in the primordial sea from a combination of organic materials that, when energized by primordial lightning, spontaneously became living organisms. This has NEVER been demonstrated in a laboratory, yet it's taught as fact. I take issue with this point though have no quarrel with your argument as a whole. Faith and science as belief systems are incompatible. It is a simple category error to attempt debate between one or the other. One depends on the logic, the other sincere belief. However, life is a fact - we know it because we are alive. Laboratories are a fact, we can visit one at any time to prove that. Your statement that life has never been demonstrated in a lab takes the debate into the realm of logic which allows me to enter it. I have no wish to change your belief, merely to offer information on the single point raised above. Below is a raft of papers on the origin of life as evidenced in laboratory projects. These reports cover only a fraction of the work done worldwide on the subject. Sorry I couldn't provide a live link but if you copy the url into Google it will take you directly to the source. Regards, Bob. Cometary collisions, gun experiments, and the origin of life: ... A paper on prebiotic chemistry from the laboratory of Jack Szostak. www-geology.ucdavis.edu/~cowen/HistoryofLife/CH01.html Extract: Page 8. Making sugars in a Miller-type experiment. Press release. This is a paper from Steven Benner's lab in Florida. Sugars have been difficult to form in prebiotic experiments. Benner has cracked this problem. It turns out that in the presence of borate minerals such as borax, riboses (sugars that are vital components of RNA) form and persist. Borates form as natural minerals in desert basins, in Death Valley, for example. You need evaporation to concentrate them in layers, but serious desert lake beds are not rare on Earth, now or then. This is a neat demonstration that pre-biotic synthesis of important organic materials is still being improved in the lab. The paper itself, Ricardo, A., et al. 2004. Borate minerals stabilize ribose. Science 303, p. 196 will soon be available on the Web to everyone. Page 9. Making peptides from amino acids. A paper in October 2004 reported that the volcanic gas carbonyl sulfide, COS, helps peptides to form from amino acids. It's a real stretch to say, as John Roach does twice in the National Geographic piece, that there have been no plausible ways to form peptides until this study. That's a gratuitous piece of misinformation. The paper is in Science and is now freely available on the Web. Leman, L, et al. 2004. Carbonyl sulfide-mediated prebiotic formation of peptides. Science 306: 283-286. National Geographic news news report on Astrobiology site. The paper from Science Page 10. Jack Szostak and the evolution of protocells. There is major progress in solving this problem in the laboratory. The new experiments apply directly to conditions on the early Earth. These three sites include two fine essays by Carl Zimmer from 2004, both in Discover magazine: Carl Zimmer article from Discover Carl Zimmer blog, September 2004 The latest from Jack Szostak's lab, February 2005, neatly summarized in a Web extra from Discover magazine. Mini-Essays and Comments. Creationism. Mini-essay and Web sites. I really don't want to spend much space on creationism. This perspective will help you to understand why: it's a no-win discussion on each side. Is There Life Anywhere Else But Earth? Mini-essay and Web sites Looking for life on Mars. Web sites with my comments. Claims that Martian life has already been discovered. Web sites with my vicious comments. Chances of Life Elsewhere in the Solar System. Web sites with my comments. Most emphasis on the moons of Jupiter. The Early Earth. Mini-essay. Based largely on Sleep et al. 2001. Where Did Life Evolve? Web sites with my vicious comments. Planets Round Other Stars Web links. The Formation of the Solar System. Web links. Reconstructing the Origin of Life What Darwin wrote Experiments on the Origin of Life Stanley Miller's experiment: 50 years on. Astrobiology magazine, 2003. The origin of life may have been simpler than we thought. Press release, September 19, 2005. It turns out that RNA is more resistant to copying errors than we thought. Therefore naked genes could have been longer (with more information) than we thought. The paper is in Nature Genetics, so won't be freely available on the Web. Robert Hazen's experiments on prebiotic chemistry on mineral surfaces. SpaceflightNow site Cometary collisions, gun experiments, and the origin of life: Science
Re: [Biofuel] I don't get it, (was: Shakeup for Big Pharm)
Chip Melford asked: So, how does tweaking a substance protected by patent .achieve anything other than broken law or five or more? The answer was there in the original post: Quote: The potential benefits and geopolitical implications of this approach are almost limitless. Imagine a world where the most downtrodden can be rescued from the ravages of chronic disease that now beset them, generation after generation. A world where they don't droop and languish, where their energies are not consumed and exhausted in the struggle for survival. A world where their children are born to healthy mothers, with all the proven advantages for future development, both physically and mentally, that such a birth provides. Imagine a world where the preventable deaths and epidemics that break down societal bonds, devastate communities, cripple local economies, destroy families and make any kind of political action almost impossible are a thing of the past. Unquote. - Original Message - From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 1:12 AM Subject: [Biofuel] I don't get it, (was: Shakeup for Big Pharm) Bob Molloy wrote: Hi All, Something to ponder, a helluva shakeup for Big Pharm. Regards, Bob. (grumble, I hate formatted text) Medical Breakthrough Could Change Global Politics By Chris Floyd t r u t h o u t | UK Correspondent snip Tuesday 16 January 2007 BIG SNIP The approach is called ethical pharmaceuticals, and it was unveiled on January 2 by Sunil Shaunak, professor of infectious diseases at Imperial College, and Steve Brocchini of the London School of Pharmacy, the Guardian reports. Their team of scientists in India and the UK, financed by the prestigious Wellcome with technical assistance from the UK government, --key point here-- have developed a method of making small but significant changes to the molecular structure of existing drugs, thereby transforming them into new products, circumventing the long-term patents used by the corporate giants of Big Pharma to keep prices - and profits - high. BIG SNIP Okay, so the 'new' drug is clearly derived from the old drug, and derivatives are usually covered under pretty much all 'intellectual property' law, so I don't see how this would accomplish anything. Note, that I am totally and completely opposed to patented drugs, and if possible even more opposed to patented code, and the concept of patented organisms just makes my head spin. The whole concept is totally broken, and doesn't need revisiting, it all needs to be scrapped and a new system instituted. However, that isn't likely to happen any time soon, if at all. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Shakeup for Big Pharm
Hi All, Something to ponder, a helluva shakeup for Big Pharm. Regards, Bob. Medical Breakthrough Could Change Global Politics By Chris Floyd t r u t h o u t | UK Correspondent Tuesday 16 January 2007 I. The Biochemistry of Hope More war in Iraq. A new front in Somalia. Ships, troops and planes lurking on the borders of Iran. Every day seems to deepen the shadow over the dark valley of our times. Driven by a reckless regime in Washington and the increasingly strident reaction it provokes, and by growing financial and social inequities stranding billions of people in poverty and despair, the geopolitical scene appears locked in a cycle of conflict and chaos that nothing can break. But a quiet announcement at London's Hammersmith Hospital at the turning of the new year heralded a breakthrough that has the potential to be one of the most transformative developments ever seen in global affairs: a positive change on a par with - or even surpassing - the world-altering malignancies of war, greed and strife. But this boon could be strangled in its cradle by the vast corporate interests threatened by its radical new approach to both health care and business. The approach is called ethical pharmaceuticals, and it was unveiled on January 2 by Sunil Shaunak, professor of infectious diseases at Imperial College, and Steve Brocchini of the London School of Pharmacy, the Guardian reports. Their team of scientists in India and the UK, financed by the prestigious Wellcome with technical assistance from the UK government, have developed a method of making small but significant changes to the molecular structure of existing drugs, thereby transforming them into new products, circumventing the long-term patents used by the corporate giants of Big Pharma to keep prices - and profits - high. This will give the world's poorest and most vulnerable people access to life-saving medicines - now priced out of reach - for mere pennies. But the breakthrough is not merely biochemical. Shaunak's team is proposing a new model for the pharmaceutical business. The patent of the transformed drug they have developed is held by non-profit Imperial University. And because their methods are hundreds of millions dollars cheaper than the mammoth development costs of the big pharmaceutical companies - whose spending on marketing and advertising often dwarfs their funding of scientific research - Shaunak and his colleagues can market their vital medicines for infectious diseases at near-giveaway levels, yet still stay in business. How so? By foregoing the profit motive as the ultimate value of their work. People in academic medicine have a choice, Shaunak told an Imperial College journal. They can use their ideas and creativity to make large sums of money for small numbers of people, or they can look outwards to the global community and make affordable treatments for common diseases. The first drug developed by the team is a new version of interferon, the main treatment for Hepatitis C, a debilitating disease that afflicts 200 million people worldwide. Yet only 30 million can afford the medicine. That leaves the rest to face the chronic liver disease and premature death that the illness inflicts. The cost of Hepatitis C treatment in the UK is approximately $13,000 per patient per year, New Scientist reports. Nor can a cheaper version of the existing interferon be made, because Big Pharma players Hoffman-La Roche and Schering Plough hold patents not only on the drug but also on the standard way of adding the special molecules needed to enhance its performance. So Shaunak and Brocchini invented a new way attaching the molecules - from the inside, not the outside - that went around the patent restrictions and produced a medicine that appears to be as effective as the existing product, according to Nature, the leading scientific journal. Their novel methods could also be adapted to extend the effectiveness of drugs for other conditions such as HIV, at a fraction of current costs, Shaunak told New Scientist. Big Pharma says it costs an average of $800 million to create a new drug; but without the need to produce ever-expanding profits for shareholders or use glitzy ad campaigns to push their pills - or lay out the vast political patronage that Big Pharma dispenses each year to keep its favored politicians sweet - Shaunak says his team can now develop essential medicines for only a few million dollars each. In fact, while their Hepatitis C medicine undergoes government-funded clinical trials in India, Shaunak and Brocchini have been asked by Médecins Sans Frontières to work on treatments for another ailment: Leishmaniasis, a parasitical
Re: [Biofuel] The Great Thanksgiving Hoax
Hi Bob, Why not compare apples with apples? If we really want to inform ourselves shouldn't we be comparing what it is in various western democracies that produces such important health statistics? Patting ourselves on the back for having better infant mortality rates than third world countries is of little help. Better to look to the front runners such as Sweden and Norway (second and seventh respectively in the world ranking for infant mortality rates while the US is 36th). All three are democracies, the difference is that the first two are socialist in the sense that their governments own and run all the big ticket items such as water, power, education and health, with education and health provided free. Regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Great Thanksgiving Hoax Kirk McLoren wrote: We have some very wealthy people but a huge quantity of very poor. The corporations sell us on frredom yet the infant mortality in Belize is better than here. Most Americans havent a clue what it is like to live elsewhere. Spend an afternoon with the almanac and look at statistics. Read em and weep. I did and your off the mark. We do rank poorly among European and some Asian countries but ahead of most poorer countries. (36th on a list at http://www.geographyiq.com/ranking/ranking_Infant_Mortality_Rate_aall.htm) see http://www.brainyatlas.com/fields/2091.html for example Belize 24.31 deaths/1,000 live births (2002 est.) United States 6.69 deaths/1,000 live births (2002 est.) Canada 4.95 deaths/1,000 live births (2002 est.) Afghanistan 144.76 deaths/1,000 live births (2002 est.) Sweden3.44 deaths/1,000 live births (2002 est.) Iceland 3.53 deaths/1,000 live births (2002 est.) India 61.47 deaths/1,000 live births (2002 est.) China 27.25 deaths/1,000 live births (2002 est.) Kirk */Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: On 11/24/06, *D. Mindock* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leo, Here's something about the Thanksgiving here in the USA. It just appeared in my email inbox. The story does have a moral, whether it's correct or not, I not qualified to say. Peace, D. Mindock 11/23/2006 *The Great Thanksgiving Hoax* /by Richard J. Marbury/ snip Thus the real reason for Thanksgiving, deleted from the official story, is: Socialism does not work; the one and only source of abundance is free markets, and we thank God we live in a country where we can have them. snip It always amuses me to find people who are so entralled by the free market that they actually seem to hold it in higher regard that God himself. Wouldn't a true Christian say that the one and only source of abundance is God? Also left out the Thanksgiving story is a fair bit of genocide, slavery, and other stuff we'd rather not think about... Z ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Weird Weather
Thomas, Thought I'd chip in. Icebergs larger than ocean liners were sighted off the port of Dunedin, New Zealand, last week, well north of the Roaring Forties, barely five weeks before mid-summer. The sight was so unusual that tour operators offered chopper flights to over the ice field. One local news channels landed a reporter on a berg to do a quick talkback from the surface and pick up ice chips for an office martini. Wasn't that a scene from Titanic? Regards, Bob. were - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Weird Weather Robert, I read your post and then the following from an e-mail: More and more polar bear cubs are dying off on Alaska's northern coast, according to a government study released earlier this month . In fact, of polar bears studied between 1990 and last spring, only 25 cubs per 100 females survived. That's less than half the survival rate of polar bear cubs studied from 1967 to 1989! Scientists point to rising temperatures and shrinking ice packs as a main cause of the polar bear's dramatic decline. Evidence of climate change is coming from many different directions. I spent the afternoon trout fishing in the Catskill Mts of New York (US). Temps in the low 60's (F). Unusual for late Nov. The other fisherman I saw was wearing a Tee shirt. By now I should be using the new block heater I put in the car. I've already gone to my winter blend (70% BD : 30% winterized petro). Unusual maybe nothing more but . weird weather, huh? Tom - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:07 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Weird Weather Hello everyone! I talked my sweetheart into renting An Inconvenient Truth over the weekend. She finds it hard to sit through all of the science, but my boys were pretty interested throughout the film. We've had a very strange year, weather-wise, in this area. Back in January, we had the wettest month on record. It came in the middle of a long, rainy but mild winter that blended into an early spring, bringing warm temperatures. Our garden got a real kick-start from the mild temperatures in March and April. This summer ended up being the driest on record. We went for WEEKS without rain. (When I first came to BC to visit my sweetheart back in 1989, it rained at least once, every day during the summer.) Local creeks were so shallow I saw dead adult salmon stranded on the shore. Autumn came with a vengeance though, bringing high winds and heavy rain that saturated the ground. A couple of weeks ago, the remnants of a typhoon slammed into the west coast, bringing 800 mm of rainfall within a 24 hour period, just over the ridgeline from where we live. We've had serious flooding, property damage and drowning deaths in our area. Over the past couple of days, however, a mass of outflowing arctic air has dropped the temperatures precipitously. The wet ground crusted into ice. A frontal system from the Gulf of Alaska brought about 15 cm of very wet snow that fell on the ice and made driving so treacherous, the municipality actually closed the two roads that lead uphill to our neighborhood. (These have since been re-opened.) We've not seen the snowplow because the crews are so busy trying to keep the major routes clear. In the meantime, people are struggling to get their machines uphill, and several have simply parked on the sides of the roads and walked home. (What a unique concept!) Our Toyota has traction control, which I've learned makes the car utterly useless once the wheels start spinning. It's not bad on compact snow, but anything deeper than the bottom of its rims renders the vehicle immobile pretty quickly. In order to get my sweetheart to work this morning, I had to chip ice away from the front wheels and pour warm water around them to melt the ice underneath. What this kind of weather pattern illustrates is that the balance of temperatures and precipitation is changing. We've set several records for rain, heat, drought and snowfall in a single year. The overheated atmosphere is releasing its energy with increasing ferocity, and unless we take SERIOUS action soon, I think we're going to be in for a very wild ride in the near future. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] The Great Thanksgiving Hoax
Hi Fred, Did I read you right? That Americans share their wealth? Examples please, Regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: Fred Oliff To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Great Thanksgiving Hoax maybe we ought to re-define what is meant by rich? what is wealth after all if you do not share it? And the Americans do! what is wealth if you do not have your health, but a huge burden? From: JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Great Thanksgiving Hoax Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:09:10 -0700 snicker snicker snicker, OK specificaly the USA ( richest country in the world is a quote from a Canadian I met) From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Great Thanksgiving Hoax Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:33:13 -0500 What? Luxembourg doesn't have universal healthcare? JAMES PHELPS wrote: I guess another question would be how this relates to freedom? And why is it the richest country in the world cannot come up with universal health care. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Great Thanksgiving Hoax
Hi All, Hoax indeed. This revisionist version of the Pilgrims Progress is pure unadulterated neo-con spin. Our masters continually rewrite history to make it fit their political ambitions. As always, the aim is to blind the Great Unwashed and line them up behind whatever their current scheme is to a) stay on top, b) hog all the goodies, and c) keep the peasants in line. We don't need to know any facts at all about the first colonists except the obvious that starving people are desperate. They will even stoop to working in the fields if necessary just to stay alive, which would suggest that political orientation is much lower on the individual's hierachy of needs. Yes, some did die in the first years. How many of inherited diseases, poor housing, worse diet and plain homesickness is just a guess. What we can be sure of is that crop failure would be a likely outcome under alien conditions. We also know that the Founding Fathers learned quickly and soon adapted. However, if an assessment of socialism as a working concept is needed let us - instead of making assumptions about the outcome of socialism in the first colony - take a look at how it actually works out in practice in modern states. See below for a re-run of the recent Scientific American article. On the question of efficient production and use of resources, how about this fact (taken from Freedom Next Time, John Pilger's latest book: The US military budget for one year is the equivalent of $30,000 an hour for every hour since Christ was born. Bob. From: http://www.sciam.com/print_version.cfm?articleID=000AF3D5-6DC9-152E-A 9F183414B7FScientific American, Oct. 16, 2006 http://www.precaution.org/lib/06/prn_nordic_economies_work.061016.htm [Printer-friendly version] The Social Welfare State, Beyond Ideology Are higher taxes and strong social safety nets antagonistic to a prosperous market economy? The evidence is now in. By http://www.powells.com/biblio/17-1594200459-8Jeffrey D. Sachs One of the great challenges of sustainable development is to combine society's desires for economic prosperity and social security. For decades economists and politicians have debated how to reconcile the undoubted power of markets with the reassuring protections of social insurance. America's supply-siders claim that the best way to achieve well-being for America's poor is by spurring rapid economic growth and that the higher taxes needed to fund high levels of social insurance would cripple prosperity. Austrian-born free-market economist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_HayekFriedrich August von Hayek suggested in the 1940s that high taxation would be a road to serfdom, a threat to freedom itself. Most of the debate in the U.S. is clouded by vested interests and by ideology. Yet there is by now a rich empirical record to judge these issues scientifically. The evidence may be found by comparing a group of relatively free-market economies that have low to moderate rates of taxation and social outlays with a group of social-welfare states that have high rates of taxation and social outlays. Not coincidentally, the low-tax, high-income countries are mostly English-speaking ones that share a direct historical lineage with 19th-century Britain and its theories of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire_economicseconomic laissez-faire. These countries include Australia, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand, the U.K. and the U.S. The high-tax, high-income states are the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_countriesNordic social democracies, notably Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden, which have been governed by left-of-center social democratic parties for much or all of the post-World War II era. They combine a healthy respect for market forces with a strong commitment to antipoverty programs. Budgetary outlays for social purposes average around 27 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) in the Nordic countries and just 17 percent of GDP in the English-speaking countries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_HayekFriedrich Von Hayek was wrong On average, the Nordic countries outperform the Anglo-Saxon ones on most measures of economic performance. Poverty rates are much lower there, and national income per working-age population is on average higher. Unemployment rates are roughly the same in both groups, just slightly higher in the Nordic countries. The budget situation is stronger in the Nordic group, with larger surpluses as a share of GDP. The Nordic countries maintain their dynamism despite high taxation in several ways. Most important, they spend lavishly on research and development and higher education. All of them, but especially Sweden and Finland, have taken to the sweeping revolution in information and communications technology and leveraged it to gain global competitiveness. Sweden
[Biofuel] Prescription
Hi All, I picked this up from a New Zealand blog Regards, Bob. Congratulations America. You have survived the crisis. Here is a prescription for future health. 1. First, asmall series of operations is necessary to remove pre-cancerous lesions - Campaign Fundosis, Press Captivitis etc. 2. Diet.Avoid intellectual junk food i.e. anything processed by "Think Tanks". Diet should be pure and wholesome high fibre truth even if some of it is difficult to swallow, such as"Iran does not have nuclear weapons and hasn't attacked anyone in living memory". Repeat the mantra: "They will love us if we don't bomb them". 3. Exercise:Diplomacy particularly. Send that old dog Hilary couldn't keep on the porch to Iran, Egypt and Syria. See if they will help out in Iraq. 4. Rest:Ambitions of Empire. 5. Monitor the Planet's blood pressure and temperature. Take all possible steps to lower both. 6. Avoid re-infection.(Israel might be a carrier.) Best wishes for a a speedy recovery.From your friends in New Zealand. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil
Hi Terry, The projected rise in sea levels is about five metres (just over 16 feet) in the next 100 years. That gives us plenty of time to pick up our beach umbrellas and move back a few feet. Over 90 per cent of our population lives with a half-hour drive of the sea so the issue is one of great interest here. In my case it will bring the nearest tidal water (currently 300 yards away) to within a hundred yards of my front lawn and maybe take out a few of my grape vines. It's a worry I tell you. Regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: Terry Dyck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil Hi Bob, New Zealand must be the perfect place to live. You have won awards for environmental projects and you are planting seeds to grow diesel trees. Congratulations. Those beaches you mentioned could be in trouble, though, when the sea rises. Terry Dyck From: Bob Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:48:43 +1300 Jeez Mike, No, definitely not New Zealand, we've limited our population to four million and we only have an area just a little larger than the British Isles. Besides we've got an anti-nuclear policy and live under an ozone hole for much of the summer. Anyway we've got too much water and forest and mountains and stuff, the South Pole is just over the horizon, we've got all these beaches that nobody uses, deer and horses and pig that run wild, eels in every stream, fish coming out of our ears and sheep everywhere. You'd hate it. Trust me, Bob. - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil See Stephen Leeb's The Coming Economic Collapse: How You Can Thrive When Oil Costs $200 a Barrel. Leeb would have us buying stocks in various companies because that's his business. The points he makes about why the price of oil must rise to levels far beyond we know today are my reason for directing our attention to the book. It really does come down to a massive population growing exponentially and an economic model promoted by the USA. Bottom line is, we're screwed, at least as far as the world as we've known it run on oil is concerned. Maybe all the JTF List could put our money, talents, and lives together on some remote island or somewhere in New Zealand and start something that might survive through the coming chaos and become a beacon of hope to the world. Use the JTF Credo as our basis for community life. I'm serious! What, aint gonna happen??? Ah well, to unquote something the bard didn't say, all's not well that doesn't end well. Ah well... Mike DuPree ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil
Jeez Mike, No, definitely notNew Zealand, we've limited our population to four million and we only have an area just a little larger than the British Isles. Besides we've got an anti-nuclear policy and live under an ozone hole for much of the summer. Anyway we've got too much water and forest and mountains and stuff, the South Pole is just over the horizon, we've got all these beaches that nobody uses, deer and horses and pig that run wild, eels in every stream, fish coming out of our ears and sheep everywhere. You'd hate it. Trust me, Bob. - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil See Stephen Leeb's The Coming Economic Collapse: How You Can Thrive When Oil Costs $200 a Barrel. Leeb would have us buying stocks in various companies because that's his business. The points he makes about why the price of oil must rise to levels far beyond we know today are my reason for directing our attention to the book. It really does come down to a massive population growing exponentially and an economic model promoted by the USA. Bottom line is, we're screwed, at least as far as the world as we've known it run on oil is concerned. Maybe all the JTF List could put our money, talents, and lives together on some remote island or somewhere in New Zealand and start something that might survive through the coming chaos and become a beacon of hope to the world. Use the JTF Credo as our basis for community life. I'm serious! What, aint gonna happen??? Ah well, to unquote something the bard didn't say, all's not well that doesn't end well. Ah well... Mike DuPree ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Opening the garden -- Uruguay
SILENT SPRING - with acknowledgements to Rachel Carson. Hi Mike and all, Enjoyed the garden tour. I'dlike to take youon a little trip around ours and ask for a little help. Keri and I have afew acres in the far north of Godzone, otherwise known as New Zealand. The area is a long peninsula jutting into the Pacific ocean with asub-tropical oceanic climate, which means you can have five seasonsin one day. The soil is a very fertile volcanic near loam. So fertile in fact that the local joke is a warning to newcomers to treat all fence posts with herbicide before use to prevent sprouting. We have the usual range of home orchard fruit with the exception of pip and berry fruits requiring a winter chill (though I persevere with a couple of favourite apple trees more out of childhood nostalgia than any serious attempt at getting fruit). Oranges, lemons, avocado and persimmon usually crop heavily as do the macadamia and pecan nuts. I've planteda Spanish chestnut but am probably on a hiding to nothing as this too needs a touch of winter to produce a decent crop. The hedges are 10-foot tall acmena (monkey apple - an edible thumbnail-sized fruit) to attract birds of which we have a plethora, including pheasants, puketos - a bit like a domestic henon stilts, turkeys and a warble of songbirds that open up at dawn and don't shut up untildark. Ahalf-acre of lawn takes two hoursto mow to but repays the work with a vista that gladdens. However a worm, or rather a mite, has enteredparadise. The varoa mite appeared in NewZealand a few years ago, possibly brought in with an import of bees.It lives in bee hives and lays its eggs in the worker cells, eventually wiping out the hives. It has now spread throughout the North Island andbee keepers are making a valiant effort to keep it out of the South Island. This Spring I stoodamid aprofusion of fragrant citrus blossom and realised the mite had won. A single bee- where once hundreds would have been droning back and forth - was working the flowers. It was indeed a silent Spring. And if the rather anaemic scattering of early plums isany indicator then I doubt we will see much fruit of any kind this year. Bee keepers are using insecticide strips in the hives. This certainly kills the mite but also a few bees too and makes the honey suspect. But it doesn't address the wild bee population which is where the re-infestation in coming from. Any ideas, anyone? Or is Paradise Lost? Best wishes, Bob. Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Opening the garden -- Uruguay Hi Tom and List...thanks for this post and all our gardeners' posts. One of the additional beauties of this global List is how the summer part of the world caninspire thewinter part throughout the year. Always a garden yielding bounty somewhere. No matter how big or small or in what time of year, I personally love hearing how people relate to their gardens, what they plant, what they find, how they work the soil, what thoughts or feelings their gardens inspire, etc etc. No doubt the human population generally has lost awareness of its' connection to the planet. Perhaps more gardeners and their musings might help bring some of that awareness back and in so doing also restore a bit of lost sanity. Again, thank you Tom and all our gardeners who post. Mike DuPree PS We harvested our basil several weeks ago for making pesto. I really need to learn more about building up the soil and most immediately what I should do now in October in Kansas to prepare the soil for next year. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Afghanistan - let them eat hams.......
War nerd Gary Brecher's blog is my favourite reading space. I thought this latest was too good not to share. Cheers, Bob. http://www.exile.ru/2006-September-22/war http://www.exile.ru/2006-September-22/war_nerd.html Issue #247 - War Nerd - Afghanistan: Let 'Em Eat Hams - By Gary Brecher ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) FRESNO, CA -- If your exterminator says he just killed 200 rats down in the basement, is that good news or bad news? On the one hand, it's good those rats are dead. On the other hand, I thought we got rid of them years ago, and now there's hundreds? What's going on? That's the Big Question everyone should be asking in Afghanistan. NATO's claiming we killed 500 Taliban near Kandahar this month. That's a mighty impressive body count, sure, but if Nam taught us one thing, it's that body counts are a bad sign. For all sorts of reasons, starting with basic common sense: if we're killing that many, how many more are running around out there? They say with rats that if you see one, that means there's about 40 more in the vicinity. I suspect you can use the same ratio for Taliban. That's what Mohamed Arbil, a former Northern Alliance commander, said the other day: If [NATO] killed that many, the Taliban must have thousands of fighters on that front. Afghanistan is now enemy territory again. The Taliban have re-formed (as opposed to reformed) and according to one Brit officer who's fought in both Iraq and Afghanistan, the fight against the Talibs is already WAY hotter than the war in Iraq. The truth is, Afghanistan's been slipping away for some time now. I'll own up; I should've been doing more columns on it myself, because I could feel vaguely it was going bad. But other places were hotter or funnier, and I let it go. Besides, as hard as I've been on my country's war leadership, I didn't really believe that we could possibly be so stupid as to blow the one thing we did right. But as far as I can tell that's what happened to the US command: they lost interest in Afghanistan, Iraq's got them paralyzed, and any energy left over is going into finding a way to invade Iran. Which won't be easy, seeing as how we have exactly zero troops left over from Iraq. So it's like our command got one of those brain puzzlers Captain Kirk used to use to fry alien computers: how do we pacify Iraq (impossible) while invading Iran at the same time (double impossible, does not compute, frying noises, smoke coming out of computer). Right now there's so much smelly smoke coming out of the Pentagon it looks like another Boeing hit the place, but it's just the DI sections' brains frying. There just isn't a lot of high-command brain power left to pay attention to Afghanistan. That's the key here: paying attention. I'm starting to think that we just don't have the patience and focus to do CI warfare. It's much easier to deal with enemies who know when they're beaten. Who know the rules, as laid down in history books. You pound them into the ground, shake hands, dump a few planeloads of foreign aid on them, and everybody's friends again. It's like a nice clean boxing match. CI warfare is more like that style of fighting the Brazilians introduced into the UFC: the game only starts when you've got the guy down. You know how those guys like Royce Gracie fight? If you've never seen it, it's like this: you throw a punch at him, and the next thing you know he's on his back kicking you in the legs. If you're expecting a stand-up fight, you're doomed. Your only choice is to jump onto him and grapple it out, which will take a half hour at the very least. That's why they don't run UFC on TV much any more: too damn boring and slow. It's more like watching bad gay porn, two guys lying on top of each other sweating. Except they don't even move enough to make good porn. It's all in the wrists, slow as molasses, getting a little advantage until the other side taps out. We were spoiled by initial success in Afghanistan; we got the Taliban down and then just stopped paying attention. Dunno if you remember this far back, but after 9/11, when it was obvious we had to go in there and root out Osama, everybody was saying Afghanistan was unwinnable, the graveyard of empires, etc. And the campaign seemed to stall at first, till we took Mazar-I-Sharif and sent the Northern Alliance rolling into Kabul. Boom, game over, victory party, let's go home. Except the new wars just don't work that way. The tough part was really just beginning. The biggest problem once we took Kabul was tribal. Reporters are always calling the Taliban Islamic extremists, but it's way simpler than that: the Talibs are Pushtun, and our allies in the Northern Alliance were their old tribal enemies the Tajiks, Uzbeks and a few free-agent Hazaras. The Pushtun are the biggest tribe in the country, if you can call it that, by far. Afghanistan is 42% Pushtun, and the second-biggest group, the Tajiks, are only 27%. Pushtuns are -- now how can I say this nicely? -- insane. The craziest Taliban
Re: [Biofuel] amazing himalayan salt
Hey guys, Aren't we reinventing the wheel here? Karl Popper said it all long ago. Here is an brief extract from his biog at plato.stanford.edu/entries/popper/ Science and Non-Science - The Problem of Demarcation Thecentral problem in the philosophy of science is that of demarcation, i.e. of distinguishing between science and what Popper calls"non-science", under which heading he ranks, amongst others, logic, metaphysics, psychoanalysis, Adler's individual psychology, astrology et al. Heargues that the Baconian/Newtonian insistence on the primacy of "pure" observation, as the initial step in the formation of theories, is completely misguided: all observation is selective and theory-laden - there are no pure or theory-free observations. In this way he destabilises the traditional view that science can be distinguished from non-science on the basis of its inductive methodology; in contradistinction to this, Popper holds that there is no unique methodology specific to science. Science, like virtually every other human, and indeed organic, activity, Popper believes, consists largely of problem-solving. Herepudiates induction,rejects the view that it is the characteristic method of scientific investigation and inference, and substitutes falsifiability in its place. It is easy, he argues, to obtain evidence in favour of virtually any theory, and he consequently holds that such "corroboration", as he terms it, should count scientifically only if it is the positive result of a genuinely "risky" prediction, which might conceivably have been false. For Popper, a theory is scientific only if it is refutable by a conceivable event. Every genuine test of a scientific theory is logically an attempt to refute or to falsify it, and one genuine counter-instance falsifies the whole theory. In a critical sense, Popper's theory of demarcation is based upon his perception of the logical asymmetry which holds between verification and falsification: it is logically impossible to conclusively verify a universal proposition by reference to experience (as Hume saw clearly), but a single counter-instance conclusively falsifies the corresponding universal law. In a word, an exception, far from "proving" a rule, conclusively refutes it.Every genuine scientific theory then, in Popper's view, is prohibitive, in the sense that it forbids, by implication, particular events or occurrences. As such it can be tested and falsified, but never logically verified. Thus Popper stresses that it should not be inferred from the fact that a theory has withstood the most rigorous testing, for however long a period of time, that it has been verified; rather we should recognise that such a theory has received a high measure of corroboration. and may be provisionally retained as the best available theory until it is finally falsified (if indeed it is ever falsified), and/or is superseded by a better theory.Popper has always drawn a clear distinction between the logic of falsifiability and its applied methodology. The logic of his theory is utterly simple: if a single ferrous metal is unaffected by a magnetic field it cannot be the case that all ferrous metals are affected by magnetic fields. Logically speaking, a scientific law is conclusively falsifiable although it is not conclusively verifiable. Methodologically, however, the situation is much more complex: no observation is free from the possibility of error - consequently we may question whether our experimental result was what it appeared to be.Thus, while advocating falsifiability as the criterion of demarcation for science, Popper explicitly allows for the fact that in practice a single conflicting or counter-instance is never sufficient methodologically to falsify a theory, and that scientific theories are often retained even though much of the available evidence conflicts with them, or is anomalous with respect to them. Scientific theoriesarise genetically in many different ways.Popper stresses in particular that there is no unique way, no single method such as induction, which functions as the route to scientific theory, a view which Einstein personally endorsed with his affirmation that "There is no logical path leading to [the highly universal laws of science]". They can only be reached by intuition, based upon something like an intellectual love of the objects of "experience". Science, in Popper's view, starts with problems rather than with observations - it is, indeed, precisely in the context of grappling with a problem that the scientist makes observations in the first instance: his observations are selectively designed to test the extent to which a given theory functions as a satisfactory solution to a given problem.On this criterion of demarcation physics, chemistry, and (non-introspective) psychology, amongst others, are sciences, psychoanalysis is a pre-science (i.e. it undoubtedly contains useful and
Re: [Biofuel] amazing himalayan salt
Billy Bob said... Pot'll get you through times of no money better'n money'll get you through times of no pot. I been smoking pot ever' day for thirty years. Never got addicted yet. Old Aunty of mine was addicted to Silver Beet. Ate it every two hours. She was always mad but she died of dementia and left everything to her budgie. How f...d up is that? Hang on a minute. Dropped the pipe. Anyway, where was I? Oh yeah. I used to be real uptight, ambitious, wear a suit. I think I was a rep or something. Now I got a cabin in the bush made out of old 44 gallon drums and stuff. Me and my old lady are gonna get some ferrets and rats. See, you can feed the ferrets on rats till they're big then skin 'em and feed the carcases to the rats. Totally enclosed system. Saw it in one of those Furry Freak Bros books. My old lady is going to make fur coats and we'll sell them in the markets if we can get the Kombi running. Satchmo was ripped to the tits all the time. Never got violent and man could that cat play the saxophone. Or was it the clarinet? Only guy I knew got violent on pot was this mate of mine who took to one of those Ronald MacDonald statues. Rammed a Chicken Salad right between those red lips. Reckoned the dressing was full of sugar. He's a Mayonnaise terrorist. How come Ronald wears lipstick? I wouldn't want him around my kids. Only time pot did me any harm was one Halloween when I got a bong stuck up me nose. We was letting off sticks of jelly and I got too close. Took a lot of explaining down the A E. Where was I? Regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] amazing himalayan salt when it comes to drugs, or herbs, or anything that impacts human physiology, the only reliable of measure of efficacy is reproducible, double blind, placebo controlled testing. Anything else is way to easy to manipulate (follow the money as I am told) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] RAW - the new warrior, was Disney
Hi Paul, The word "terrorist" is so value loaded that it no longer serves any purpose, least of all as a description of Hezbollah,Hamas and Iraqi fighters. The word gaining currency is RAW (for reactive asymmetric warfare). In other words, when the bully is bigger and has bigger weapons it makes sense tol choose your ground as to when, where and how to fight. When warfare is massivelyasymmetric - as is the case inIraq, Lebanon and Gaza where weapons of mass destruction are used against unarmored single individuals - then it requires a reaction based on means. This is reactive assymetric warfare where the outnumbered and outgunned individual devisesstrategies andmeans to defeator at least punish his enemy e.g.the car bomb, roadside mine, suicide bomber etc.to the point where the enemy may consider the game not worth the cost.Usually a reactive asymmetric warrior only comes into being when there isno way out for the weaker force and no place to go i.e. the peasant farmers in Viet Nam,the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka and ofcourse the various populationsin Gaza, Lebanon andIraq. Each of those situations had a perceived foreign usurper in the perceived homeland acting with massive force against the perceived indigene. Such situations require the reactive asymmetric warrior to have courage and commitment of the highest order. What we are seeing in the Middle East are brave men and women, most often fighting in the streets and homes of their own towns, giving their lives for a cause in which they believe. Dismissing them as terrorists is simply ignorant name-calling, the double-speak of the propagandists, adding heat but castingno light on the problem. True terrorism, as in the British Underground bombing carried out by locally born persons holding citizenship of that country, happens less often. Regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: Paul Webber To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney I do not agree with your statement. >From my understanding of the word, bullying is for a more powerful entity to use their power to harass a less powerful entity. I do not believe that terrorists can "bully" the US because the terrorists are the underdogs. Also, I do not agree with the philosophy of "do not walk away because he will just shoot you in the back". That sounds a lot like "stay the course". I believe that some of the terrorists are rational human beings that see terrorism as the only option to accomplish their goals. If the US would address some of the wrongs that we have inflicted on them, then maybe the sacrifice would not be worth it. But, I have never talked to a terrorist face to face. I am making assumptions. I guess that it is possible that they are all psychos who just want to hurt the US because they are jealous of our power. I recently got in an argument with a co-worker about the "stay the course" philosophy. He said that if we left Iraq then all of those soldiers would have died for nothing. (I pointed out that he forgot about all those Iraqis that would have died for nothing also) I retorted that I do not believe in throwing lives at something just because so many lives have already been thrown. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] The Dilbert Phenomenon
I thought we needed alittle light relief:not sure how accurately the followingquotes reflectcorporate America but the Dilbert phenomenon isn't totally unknown in this corner of corporate Australasia. Regards, Bob. A magazine recently ran a "Dilbert Quotes" contest. They were looking forpeople to submit quotes from their real-life Dilbert-type managers. Thesewere voted the top ten quotes in corporate America : "As of tomorrow, employees will only be able to access the building usingindividual security cards. Pictures will be taken next Wednesday, andemployees will receive their cards in two weeks." (Thewinning quote from Fred Dales, Microsoft Corp. in Redmond WA ) What I need is an exact list of specific unknown problems we mightencounter." (Lykes Lines Shipping) "E-mail is not to be used to pass on information or data. It should be usedonly for company business." (Accounting manager, Electric Boat Company) "This project is so important we can't let things that are more importantinterfere with it." (Advertising/Marketing manager, United Parcel Service) "Doing it right is no excuse for not meeting the schedule ." (Plant Manager, Delco Corporation) "No one will believe you solved this problem in one day! We've been workingon it for months. Now go act busy for a few weeks andI'll let you know when it's time to tell them." (RD supervisor, Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing/3M Corp.) Quote from the Boss: "Teamwork is a lot of people doing what I say." (Marketing executive, Citrix Corporation) My sister's funeralwas scheduled for Monday. When I told my boss, he said she died on purpose so that I would have to miss work on the busiest day of the year. He then asked if we could change her burial to Friday. He said, "That would be better for me." (Shipping executive, FTD Florists) "We know that communication is a problem, but the company is not going todiscuss it with the employees." (Switching supervisor, ATT Long Lines Division) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What the bleep -was galloway
A bit late to come into thisthread but I found it intriguing enough to mention Jared Diamond's excellent book, "Guns, Germs and Steel", on just this topic.The sub-title is "A Short History of Everybody for the last 13,000 Years". Diamond is an interesting character, formerly Prof. of Physiology at UCLA Medical School he later made major contributions to ecology and the study of evolutionary biology and iscurrently Prof. of Geography andEnvironmentalHealth Sciences at UCLA. He addresses the question of why certain populations appear to achieve while othersdon't, including the verypertinent point that the term"achievement" is value loaded. It would be nonsensical to attempt a synopsis of his book ina sentence or two but he builds a good case for the determinants ofachievement in terms ofclimate, soil conditions, availability of water,fauna and flora plus afew accidents of history and sheer bad luck such as the thriving colony of early Norsemen in Greenland who got wiped out by a miniIce Age that nobody saw coming, and the Australian aborigines who got stuck for 40,000 years in an environment trap. First published in 1997 the book is availableat Amazon in second-hand paperback for a dollar or two.It may not change your life but it will certainly alter your viewof how we got from there to here. Regards, Bob - Original Message - From: Michael Redler To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What the bleep -was galloway "Yes, a Calivinist nation - all claiming exceptionalism - but this is a collective thing, not really individual." That reminds me of Max Weber's The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism. I started on itbut was distracted. From what I read, It seems worth mentioning in this thread. - Redler Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A warm bath hath charms to soothe the savage list member ;-)For you, Don Kemple, remember: Incomprehesibility is a gift, son, use it wisely."A Nation of Shopkeepers, all selling local-produced goods?" Forgive me, my Schumacher is pretty rusty.Yes, a Calivinist nation - all claiming exceptionalism - but this is a collective thing, not really individual.But I think that we are now at a stage where, under the leadership of GW, we're mouthing "all nations are equal," but, we're just equalerer than the other equal ones.4 legs good, 2 legs bad.4 legs good, 2 legs bad.4 legs good, 2 legs bad.Mike Redler wrote: Kind sir, Thank your for your gratitude. However, I find myself entirely outdone by your short but profound response. I shall now follow the advice of my esteemed virtual colleague, Mr. Weaver and retire to the loo for a bath. Ta ta, - Redler Martin Kemple wrote: Thanks Mike! Intriguing perspective. Though I'm preternaturally suspicious of our (Westerners') proclivity for exceptionalism (from the creed of Manifest Destiny on the one extreme, to its opposite - that we're inveterate "predator-imperialists," on the other), it's a hard box to escape from. Adam Smith / E.F. Schumacher - two sides of the came coin? Know what I mean? That is: Not only are we moderns "different", we're more different than anybody else has ever been. What's up with that? I recoil at the idea, yet can't get away from it. Like a dark magnet : o -MK On Aug 22, 2006, at 10:36 AM, Michael Redler wrote: Martin, Necessity can be broadly defined by what is popularly needed in a civilization. Since "Necessity is the Mother of invention", it stands to reason that the path to any invention is paved by the civilization from which it came. The civilizations you mentioned were content with technical developments that required only what was immediately available to them from their environment. In my opinion that's something which our ambitious culture hasn't yet been able to appreciate. As E. F. Schuhmacher explained so effectively in his writing, the so called "modern world" and it's technology has often taken us in directions which does more harm than good. It's presumptuous to quantify the progress of civilization by a hand full of great inventors and assume that they have made the world a better place. I say this as someone who has two engineering degrees, a patent of my own and a wife who is a research scientist and a PhD. in Chemistry. I admire all the people mentioned in this thread plus many who have yet to be mentioned. However, to put things in perspective, one needs to ask if the work of particular inventors are a measure of progress in a civilization (irrespective of politics): Could any of these people have been able to do what they did without the work of their predecessors and the
Re: [Biofuel] Uhex needs RAW (was Good Samaritan).
Hi Kirk, Agreed, n'less the principle remains the same. Until the Palestinians, and by implication the Arabs at large, replace "terrorism" (for terrorism read reactive asymmetrical warfare or RAW) with a hearts and minds campaign they will foreverremain a Uhex catspaw. Uhex needs RAW. Without it Uhexcannot access the budgets and control the political processes within democracies that enable them to wage war. Regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Uhex - was Good Samaritan Yes but the current owners are not neutral. Who do you think bankrolled Murdoch and why? Arabsneed media -granted- but it will be difficult as the media already is owned as a propaganda mechanism it already is polarized. Its owners ARE IN THE BUSINESS of consensus forming. You are say they will sell to their opposition. I dont think so - and establishing new electronic media is politically controlled. You have to get an ok from the gvt before you pick up the microphone. Thats why they keepmessing withthe internet. Bob Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr Accad must be awarethatin terms of Uhex foreign policysince 9/11thisis just another step in along term planto degrade Palestinian morale to the point where they feel impelled to leave rather than stay.So-called "terrorism" (i.e. the normal response from the weaker side in any asymmetical war) simply provides justification for further destruction of the population.In other words"terrorism" is the collar and the leashthat keepswestern democracies asdocile followers of whateverthe Uhex decides. If there were any downward trend in "terrorism" then, under Uhex guidelines,it would be necessary to create more - even if they have to invent it. In this respect Hizbollah is doing just what Uhex wishes it to do. It can never win but its steadywar ofattritionhelps keep the hearts and minds ofits target populations focused,unlocksbudgets that in most democracies are otherwise sensibly restrained and allows Uhex to carry out its hidden agendas with little or no international disapproval. What the Arab world has to do is win the propaganda war, something the ANC in South Africa learned very effectively. At some point in their resistance campaign the ANCturned away from terrorism, tossed away theirfatiguesand fought their war with sweet reason and tailored suits.It worked like a charm. ThePalestinians, and the Arab world as a whole, mustpull the rug from under Uhex. To do that they need to understand the enemyis not the tank commandershellingvillages nor the jet pilot destroyingbridges and roads; thoseare just conscripted proxies, deadly in themselves but not a profitable target. They need to learn how to pushdemocratic buttons, get their say in the media, capture hearts and minds and strip Uhex of its power. Al Jazeera is a start. What's wrong with buying the NewYork Times, CNN, Foxtel? The Saudis could do it with the money they earn between breakfast and lunch. For Iran, a much cheaper option than their planned WMD. Regards, Bob. Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 1:14 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Good Samaritan at a mega scale! "Seven hundred thousand out of a total Lebanese population of 3.5 million, 20 percent of the population, mostly Shiites, are now being cared for and given refuge by mostly Christian schools, churches, and other humanitarian organizations. This is the story of the Good Samaritan at a mega scale! And to think that this is the outcome of a strategy that meant to rouse anti-Hezbollah feelings among the Lebanese population and government. Talk about a failed strategy! Of course, this has happened so many times before that any thoughtful tactician would have learned the lesson by now, but military muscle is always too hedonistic and narcissistic to listen to the voice of reason and history." - Dr. Martin Accad, academic dean of the Arab Baptist Theological Seminary of Lebanon. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the
Re: [Biofuel] Uhex - was Good Samaritan
Dr Accad must be awarethatin terms of Uhex foreign policysince 9/11thisis just another step in along term planto degrade Palestinian morale to the point where they feel impelled to leave rather than stay.So-called "terrorism" (i.e. the normal response from the weaker side in any asymmetical war) simply provides justification for further destruction of the population.In other words"terrorism" is the collar and the leashthat keepswestern democracies asdocile followers of whateverthe Uhex decides. If there were any downward trend in "terrorism" then, under Uhex guidelines,it would be necessary to create more - even if they have to invent it. In this respect Hizbollah is doing just what Uhex wishes it to do. It can never win but its steadywar ofattritionhelps keep the hearts and minds ofits target populations focused,unlocksbudgets that in most democracies are otherwise sensibly restrained and allows Uhex to carry out its hidden agendas with little or no international disapproval. What the Arab world has to do is win the propaganda war, something the ANC in South Africa learned very effectively. At some point in their resistance campaign the ANCturned away from terrorism, tossed away theirfatiguesand fought their war with sweet reason and tailored suits.It worked like a charm. ThePalestinians, and the Arab world as a whole, mustpull the rug from under Uhex. To do that they need to understand the enemyis not the tank commandershellingvillages nor the jet pilot destroyingbridges and roads; thoseare just conscripted proxies, deadly in themselves but not a profitable target. They need to learn how to pushdemocratic buttons, get their say in the media, capture hearts and minds and strip Uhex of its power. Al Jazeera is a start. What's wrong with buying the NewYork Times, CNN, Foxtel? The Saudis could do it with the money they earn between breakfast and lunch. For Iran, a much cheaper option than their planned WMD. Regards, Bob. Regards, Bob. Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 1:14 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Good Samaritan at a mega scale! "Seven hundred thousand out of a total Lebanese population of 3.5 million, 20 percent of the population, mostly Shiites, are now being cared for and given refuge by mostly Christian schools, churches, and other humanitarian organizations. This is the story of the Good Samaritan at a mega scale! And to think that this is the outcome of a strategy that meant to rouse anti-Hezbollah feelings among the Lebanese population and government. Talk about a failed strategy! Of course, this has happened so many times before that any thoughtful tactician would have learned the lesson by now, but military muscle is always too hedonistic and narcissistic to listen to the voice of reason and history." - Dr. Martin Accad, academic dean of the Arab Baptist Theological Seminary of Lebanon. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] These dam greenies are everywhere......
Hi Keith, Ironic headline to attract attention; soubriquet for the the beavers. Certainly not intended as an attack on (big G) Greenies. Regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] These dam greenies are everywhere.. Hello Bob Hi All, This can't be an urban myth, because it didn't take place in the city. Right? Decide for yourself. Not at all, just check snopes:: http://www.snopes.com/humor/letters/dammed.htm Urban Legends Reference Pages: Humor (Dammed Beavers!) Nice piece, been doing the rounds for eight years. Dammed Beavers, it says, not dam greenies, no mention of greenies. Where did your Check your backyard, these dam greenies are everywhere headline come from, if I might ask? It's quite often been used by libertarian etc people as a sneer at Big Government, but they often attack greenies too (econazis). Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] These dam greenies are everywhere......
Hi All, This can't be an urban myth, because it didn't take place in the city. Right? Decide for yourself. Bob. Check your backyard, these dam greenies are everywhere. SUBJECT: DEQ File No.97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Lycoming County Dear Mr. DeVries: It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity: Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Pennsylvania Compiled Laws, annotated.! The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 2006. Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action.. We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter. Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions. Sincerely,David L. PriceDistrict Representative and Water Management Division. Ryan's response: Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Lycoming County Dear Mr. Price, Your certified letter dated 5/17/06 has been handed to me to respond to. I am the legal landowner but not the Contractor at 2088 Dagget Lane, Trout Run, Pennsylvania. A couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of natures building materials "debris." I would like to challenge your department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic. As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity. My first dam question to you is:(1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers.(2) Or do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request? If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through the Freedom of Information Act, I request completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Pennsylvania Compiled Laws, annotated. I have several concerns. My first concern is; aren't the beavers entitled to legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said representation -- so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event, causing flooding, is proof that this is a natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. In other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling their dam names. If you want the stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition please contact the beavers -- but if you are going to arrest them, they obviously did not pay any attention to your dam letter, they being unable to read English. In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have more dam rights than I do to live and enjoy Spring Pond. If the Department of
Re: [Biofuel] Check your Beliefs
Hi Fritz, Thanks for your two posts.I don't think I have anything further to add to the debate other than to say I feel for yourPalestinian friend. My approach was too academic and certainly not acceptable in terms of the very real human crisis which has developed. The current situation is indefensible and - as indicated by the sources suppliedby Keith - even the status quo ante appearsmore and more a legal fiction. Keith is also on the button when he points out thatunless until wecan add more light to this subjectwe are only generatingheat. One minor point: I offered no quotations from the Bible. If you reread my post you will see I carefully avoided that. In the context it wouldn't have been appropriate. I apologise and withdraw. Best wishes, Bob. - Original Message - From: Fritz Friesinger To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 5:14 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Check your Beliefs Bob and all, here is an answer of my goog friend Shadi Hadjara,a Christian Palestinenser on your Mail Fritz Actually, the tactic of deploying suicide bombers against Israeli civiliansonly started in 1994 in retaliation to the Hebron Massacre. In March 1994,at the peak of the peace process between Israel and the Palestinians (wherePalestinians were begrudgingly accepting to give away more than 3/4 of theirancestrial land and control over most of their sovreignty over their newlyformed bantustans for peace), a Jewish settler in Hebron sneaks into theHebron mosque during morning prayers. He unloads his automatic rifle on thekneeling crowd killing 4 dozen and injuring another 100. The first suicidebombing took place 3 weeks later.As for rocket attacks, the 1967 six day war resulted in the murder of morethan 20,000 civilians by Israeli missiles. The 1982 three month Israeliinvasion of Lebanon resulted in the massacre of another 20,000 Palestinianand Lebanese civilians by Israel. So please don't squabble over a fewmissiles in the arsenal of resistence groups that only formed to defendtheir respective communities against a murderous enraged rogue state.In the context of what took place in the past, Palestinians would not havefiercely opposed Israel if the Zionist pioneers had decided to create astate in Uganda. The fact is that Israel was created over their land byforcefully pushing them out of their towns and villages. The precurssor usedto justify those atrocities in 1948 was the Jewish suffering in theHolocaust. When Europe de jure accepted Israel, it was not because theallied government believe in Israel's right to exist but for, what I believeis, the massive guilt of allowing the devestation of the Holocaust to runfor so long combined with the underlying anti-semitism that still remains.So basically, Europeans did not want the Jews in their midst but at the sametime felt that sending them off to their "ancestrial" land is much moreideal, humanely speaking, than sending them off to the gas chambers. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fluorescent fuel?
Hi All, Flaming mufflers! Just picked up this story from Spain which claims the use of plankton (that fluorescent stuff that lights up the sea in tropic zones) to make biofuel. SPANISH FIRM CLAIMS TO MAKE OIL FROM PLANKTON TUESDAY , 25 JULY 2006 MADRID: A Spanish company has claimed to have developed a method of breeding plankton and turning the marine plants into oil, providing a potentially inexhaustible source of clean fuel. Vehicle tests are some time away because the company, Bio Fuel Systems, has not yet tried refining the dark green coloured crude oil phytoplankton turn into, a spokesman said. Bio Fuel Systems is a wholly Spanish firm, formed this year in eastern Spain after three years of research by scientists and engineers connected with the University of Alicante. "Bio Fuel Systems has developed a process that converts energy, based on three elements: solar energy, photosynthesis and an electromagnetic field," it said in a press release. "That process allows us to obtain biopetroleum, equivalent to that of fossil origin." Phytoplankton, like other plants, absorb carbon dioxide as they grow. Scientists have examined the possibility of stimulating growth of the single cell plants as a means of reducing the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. CO2, liberated by burning fossil fuels like coal, oil and gas, is widely held responsible for global warming. Bio Fuel Systems said its new fuel would reduce CO2, was free of other contaminants like sulphur dioxide and would be cheaper than fossil oil is now. "Our system of bioconversion is about 400 times more productive than any other plant-based system producing oil or ethanol," it said, referring to currently available biofuels made from plants like maize or oilseeds. Bio Fuel Systems is working with scientists at the University of Alicante on the project. It has drawn up industrial plans to make the fuel and says it will be able to start continuous production in 14 to 18 months. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel and the Petroleum Industry
Hi Thomas, You may have missed this item posted recently. It concerned a New Zealand company formed to make, promote and sell bio-diesel. They solved the problem of manufacturer's warranty by confining their engine alterations to the fuel lines only.Might be worth contacting them for further information. Regards, Bob. Here it is: PUT AN OLIVE IN YOUR TANK Well not quite, but if David Renwick has his way it could be olive oil or even used cooking oil for that matter - once it has been refined into biodiesel. His conversion kit, which allows diesel engines to run on biodiesel offers considerably lower fuel costs and higher efficiency. He demonstrated both in Kerikeri this week with a late model SUV, modified to run on either standard diesel or biofuels, or a mix of the two. To illustrate his vehicle's versatility he urged his audience to pour a range of standard cookng oils into the tank while the engine was running. A test drive showed good acceleration, no smoke from the exhaust and an absence of diesel smell. Instead a slight fragrance of Mom's kitchen. .Renwick, Operations Director of Envirocar - a company he grew from a garage-based idea four years ago into a national organisation, is an enthusiastic exponent of the new wave of environmentally friendly fuels. He claims his fuel gives cleaner burning engines, lower emissions, efficiencies of 15% or more and costs half that of standard diesel. Asked the hard questions as to cost, availability, payback time and risk to vehicle warranty Renwick was open and frank. Biofuel supplied by his organisation currently costs 69 cents a litre (against the present Kerikeri price of diesel at $1.26), the conversation kit (fitted by a trained technician) comes in at $4,000 and includes a 1,000 litre storage tank for your backyard. Payback time depended on mileage i.e. the further you travelled on an annual basis the faster you could amortise the cost of conversation. For one large diesel fleet in Wellington it was four months. Any diesel engine, even those used on farm machinery, could be converted to biofuel.By agreement with car makers the fuel was acceptable. Conversion was limited to the fuel lines only and did not affect engine warranties. As a backup, Envirocar-converted vehicles retained a separate tank for ordinary diesel. Envirocar is supported by Korean car maker SSangYong and the Foundation for Research, Science and Technology which this year pumped in $93,000 to take the operation from backyard to production line. Interested biofuellers can contact Mr Renwick at [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 11:53 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Biodiesel and the Petroleum Industry I attended a public forum on Biofuels a while back. One of the speakers, the head ofa biodiesel co-op, had me perplexed by his repeated assertion that biodiesel can be usedin 2,5%, " even 10% or 20% blends", but above these levels engine problems and gelling can occur. He had graphs showing the benefit of usingbiodiesel to improve exhaust emissions, but pointed out that above a 10% blend improvement tapers off "better to have 10 people driving with B10 than 1 person driving with B100." I questioned his assertions regarding gelling of fuel and pointed out that I drop from BD100 to BD70 in winter months w/o gelling. I explained the cleansing effect of BD and how this may clog fuel filters during initial use, but mentioned that this will also happen w blends as low as 5%. Actual engine damage is more a function of fuel quality than the nature of the fuel itself ... even homebrewers can make quality fuel shouldn't commercial producers be expected to do the same? I conceded that at BD10 there is a 10% reduction in hydrocarbon emissions and that at BD100 there is "only a 70% reduction", but suggested that I'd like to see all 10 drivers using BD100 to achieve the 70% reduction. There were 60 - 70 people at the forum; some from local newspapers, others from Community Action Groups, most were just curious about biofuels.Their enthusiasm was palpable, their questions polite. Before responding to a question, the speaker asked each person their name, and then spoke as if he was having a friendly, heart-to-heart conversation. To my questions he simply shrugged his shoulders and moved on. I contacted the friend who told me about the forum. He emailed me the actual invitation he had received. Re: the Biodiesel guy: " .Jerry--- has over 20 years of domain expertise in the petroleum distribution and marketing and is presently a member of a biodiesel business development team at a major independent energy supplier. ...Jerry does consulting in building biodiesel refineries and advocacy work in promoting alternative and sustainable fuels. Jerry
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel and the Petroleum Industry
Hi Tom, Agreed, the pricedoes sound a bit stiff even though it includes installation of a 1,000 litre holding tank on your property as part of the deal. I felt it made the payback timefor a single vehicle barely worth it.He seemed to be more interested in fleet owners. As far as warranties are concerned I talked to Renwick who assured me that "all diesel engine warranties in the usual range of SUVs are covered" by his conversation kit. Granted, I didn'tcheck it out with any particular manufacturer, myassumption beingthat if he was happy to make those statements to the media then he was taking a major risk of being clobbered by someone in the industry. Certainly any fleet owner who found his warranties voided would be screaming for compensation. Hisbusiness base is almost 1,000 km from where I live so I can't personally vouch forhis bona fides but I did have someone else look into itand Envirocarappears to be what Renwick claims it is. I saw thebusiness of pouring cooking oils into fuel tank assimply a gimmick to catch audience attention at his press conference and give the media something to hang the story on. He assured me the engine normally ran on BD100. Send a query to him at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd be interested to hear how it pans out. Regards, Bob. Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 1:17 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel and the Petroleum Industry Hello Bob, I did read the post you mentioned. It appeared to be referring to the use of waste veg oil directlyrather thanto using biodiesel. "To illustrate his vehicle's versatility he urged his audience to pour a range of standard cookng oils into the tank while the engine was running." and "the conversation kit (fitted by a trained technician) comes in at $4,000" $4000 NZD ($2500 USD) for fuel line alteration (pre-heater?) + installation of a separate diesel tank. If it was for biodiesel the only alterations would involve replacing rubber hoses/seals with viton ... certainly less than $4000, and there's no need for a separate tank. "By agreement with car makers the fuel was acceptable." Which car makers? Here in the US, some diesels (ex. Jeep Liberty) are sold with 5% BD in the tanks. This is, however, the highest blend that will not void the warantee. The warantees on Cummins diesel engines in our large pickup trucks also limit blends to 5% BD. I've been told that they are re-thinking this limit and will probably go to 20% blends as did New Holland. I've been told that it is a fuel quality issue. Commercially produced biodiesel does not always meet quality standards. The thinking is that 2% or 5% blends, oflow quality BD, will not cause harm to engines. Tom - Original Message - From: Bob Molloy To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel and the Petroleum Industry Hi Thomas, You may have missed this item posted recently. It concerned a New Zealand company formed to make, promote and sell bio-diesel. They solved the problem of manufacturer's warranty by confining their engine alterations to the fuel lines only.Might be worth contacting them for further information. Regards, Bob. Here it is: PUT AN OLIVE IN YOUR TANK Well not quite, but if David Renwick has his way it could be olive oil or even used cooking oil for that matter - once it has been refined into biodiesel. His conversion kit, which allows diesel engines to run on biodiesel offers considerably lower fuel costs and higher efficiency. He demonstrated both in Kerikeri this week with a late model SUV, modified to run on either standard diesel or biofuels, or a mix of the two. To illustrate his vehicle's versatility he urged his audience to pour a range of standard cookng oils into the tank while the engine was running. A test drive showed good acceleration, no smoke from the exhaust and an absence of diesel smell. Instead a slight fragrance of Mom's kitchen. .Renwick, Operations Director of Envirocar - a company he grew from a garage-based idea four years ago into a national organisation, is an enthusiastic exponent of the new wave of environmentally friendly fuels. He claims his fuel gives cleaner burning engines, lower emissions, efficiencies of 15% or more and costs half that of standard diesel. Asked the hard questions as to cost, availability, payback time and risk to vehicle warranty Renwick was open and frank. Biofuel supplied by his organisation currently costs 69 cents a litre (against the present Kerikeri price of diesel
Re: [Biofuel] Check your Beliefs
king sides; admonishing the Palestinians ditto. Jumping up and down and handwringing avails us naught. You can if you wish build youranalysis on the basis of active violence vis a vis reactive violence i.e who threw the first punch.That would make an interesting debate but still at the sterile academic level. The reality is that people are dying right now, children are being maimed and traumatised for life, blood and treasure is being poured out and nations are impoverishing themselves in a fruitless war. The US could send Israel back behind her legitimate borders tomorrow. But the US cannot stop the rocket attacks. Only the Arabs acting as a wholecando that and no Arab leaderwouldagree.The last one to sign a peace treaty with Israel was assassinated.Without secure bordersIsrael cannotsurvive and would be forced to react - again. True, the US in concert with the West could stop all arms and other supplies to Israel and slowly starve her into submission. To what? Arab occupation? Sharia law? Eventual total Islamisation? That would be a Final Solution. Where have I heard that phrase before? However, it is the 21st century and final solutions are a luxury we can no longerafford. Why not? Israel's nuclear arsenal says so.If we hate and detest what their reactive violenceis doing in Lebanon right now we certainly won'tenjoy their fall-back plan. Nor, on reflection, will we particularly relish what Iran has in mind. The nearest German equivalent is Gotterdammerung. (I think there's an umlaut in there somewhere). The Bible has a more apt word for it. In fact it is not onlya word it is aprediction. Can't think of it at the moment but I'm sure someone will post it. (I'm not a god-botherer by the way nor even a nominal Christian. It took me half a lifetime to reason my way to out of my childhood conditioning so please don't put me in that slot). In sum, Fritz, I feel your pain. I appreciate your concern. I agree with your sentiments and have no wish to naysay them. I do not condonethe violencenor do I excuse it. What I have attempted to do is explain it. My failure is abysmal but then I'm in a long, longqueue of previous explainers. Regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: Fritz Friesinger To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 6:06 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Check your Beliefs So Bob, You are rigth on this,its about Land,Power Oil and Money and so on! The fact that the UNO did sanction the implantation of Israel is no consolation for the dispossest Palestinians,who have been driven of theire Land without compensation or all! That the Arabligue did oppose the implantation of Israel is no secret and the price for all this have been payed by the Palestinian Population! The Shabra and Shatilla Massacres and the rest of the atrocyties by the Israel Government on Palestinians can all be excused by your motion of "survival of the fittest" Well German Nazis had to stand trial for their Warcrimes and so i agree with all Holocaust sufferers (and the rest of the civil world) that there should not be any amnesty for Warcriminals! But explain me why the Shabra and Shatilla Massacres have not been punished despite the perpetrayers have been clearly identified? And explain me why we have a "Convention of Geneva" and why we have established basic Humanrigths if you can brush them away with "survival of the fittest" Now,i can not beliefe that all the things you have said are your real beliefes so i think you are sarcastic but you should realice that is exactly the problem in our society at the very most we are "sarcastic" the suffering of these people does not concern us to much after all its not hurting us directly or is it? Fritz - Original Message - From: Bob Molloy To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs Hey guys, It's a war; dirty, messy, cruel, inhuman andunnecessary - unless you happen to be a Palestinian yearning for your landback or an Israeli who's been threatened with annihilation since birth. It'salso a war that's been going on since mankind began. It's about land andreligion and culture and who dominates who. There are no rights and wrongsthere are only who wins and who loses. The winners write history and we moveon.Mike Weaver made the point when he wondered if he might be living on landowned by an indigenous people, a point which also applies to you too, Fritz,despite your disingenuous attempt to justify occupation of "unwanted" land.However, before you think of noble savages, remember that all those nicepeace-loving indigenes slaughtered and plundered their way through themillenia since they left Africa (where we all originated) to wherever theyfinally settled. Th
Re: [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs
Greetings Hakan, my friend. Apologies for misleading you. And salams to Keith and co also. I don't hold any of those views on either Jews or Germans, I was merely jerking Fritz's chain. And I'm not American, I'm a dumb Irish Mick whose family land was taken by English settlers back in the 1600s since when we have wandered the earth as dispossessed people. At least that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. In fact if the British hadn't existed we Irish would have had to invent them to excuse our own shortcomings. And thanks to Fritz for the btselem url (a Hebrew word meaning in our own image whichs says it all) and to Keith for the superb backgrounder. I went to Israel in a fit of journo curiosity in the '73 war, naively thinking I could write it up in a way that would be acceptable to all sides (I told you I was a dumb Mick). For this debate the best I could manage is the superficial sketch of humanitarian disasters which I posted separately before reading Hakan's post. Will try to avoid irony in future but remember I'm just a landless Gael (well a couple of acres of paradise in New Zealand hardly counts). Bob. - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs Bob, I have a lot to do and have been silent for a while, but this I have to comment. It was clearly under the belt and very insensitive and outright dumb, especially form an American. US do have their own racism and the internment of Americans with Japanese decent during WWII is nothing to be proud of, not to talk about the racism and prosecution of black people, this still in more recent times. Your comments says more about you than about Fritz. It was very few Germans who knew about what was going on, most knew about internment, but very few about the final solution and even fewer that was involved in it. In fact it was very few that ever read Mein Kampf and had reasons to suspect anything like the final solution. They knew about the interment as the Americans knew about their own internment of Japanese Americans also. The final solution was set in practise by a few and when the German population were more occupied by the war. You are also talking about taking personal responsibility for forefathers and then you are personal responsible for the Japanese internment and prosecution of black people also. Hakan At 05:09 20/07/2006, you wrote: Hello Bob I think you should check your beliefs. http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2921 'Because This Is the Middle East' http://snipurl.com/pg9x Re: [biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel 3 Jun 2004 Keith Yo Fritz, Yeah, right on Fritz. And just to prove it your ethnic forebears killed off six million of these bloody Jews only to have the rest of us dumb westerners stop them just before they'd finished the job. Now it's up to the poor Palestinians with only suicide bombers and Katushya rockets to carry on where the rest of us left off. We need to force the Israelis to open these roads, tear down their walls and move back onto their own territory so that the bombers in civilian clothing have a fighting chance to get closer to Israeli settlements. At least let's have a level playing field here. After it's all over and the Palestinians have finally established their Muslim state we can allow a few Israeli refugees into western countries just as long as they toe the line and run the garbage collection systems for us. Good one, Fritz, Bob. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs
Hey guys, It's a war; dirty, messy, cruel, inhuman and unnecessary - unless you happen to be a Palestinian yearning for your land back or an Israeli who's been threatened with annihilation since birth. It's also a war that's been going on since mankind began. It's about land and religion and culture and who dominates who. There are no rights and wrongs there are only who wins and who loses. The winners write history and we move on. Mike Weaver made the point when he wondered if he might be living on land owned by an indigenous people, a point which also applies to you too, Fritz, despite your disingenuous attempt to justify occupation of unwanted land. However, before you think of noble savages, remember that all those nice peace-loving indigenes slaughtered and plundered their way through the millenia since they left Africa (where we all originated) to wherever they finally settled. The 19th century saw the last vestiges of this land grab. If you were a theologian you'd call it original sin. Darwin was earthier, and more enlightening, he called it survival of the fittest. You may take sides, wring your hands, jump up and down, talk about human rights but we are all - even those nice people in the rain forest who we think live in harmony with nature - guilty of genocide and dispossession. In the present case it's called the Arab-Israeli war. We'll know who was right when somebody wins. And if you've forgotten how it all began, here's a brief sketch. I found it on my thumbnail. The UNO blessing on the establishment of Israel in 1948 was merely the recognition of a de facto situation. From that moment on Israel was de jure, i.e. a legal entity in international law. The Arabs disagreed. Five Arab armies (Egypt, Syria, Trans-Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq - including the British-trained and armed Arab Legion) immediately invaded the fledgling state. The world responded by clapping a total arms embargo on Israel. Against that the Israelis had nine obsolete aircraft, a few tanks, fewer than 20,000 armed civilians -and balls. They won, and pushed out their frontiers to safeguard their collective backsides from future attacks. The attacks never stopped (rockets, mines, cross-border shelling and guerilla incursions) but the next big one came in 1967 - the so-called Six Day War. This time the Arabs meant business. Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran to all Israeli shipping, cutting off Israel's only supply route with Asia and stopping the flow of oil from its main supplier, Iran. President Nasser of Egypt challenged Israel to fight. Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight. He ordered all UN peace-keeping forces stationed on Israeli borders to leave. The UN complied without even calling a meeting. The Voice of the Arabs radio station proclaimed: As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel. The sole method we shall apply against Israel is total war, which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence. Syrian Defense Minister Hafez Assad was more blunt: The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is unitedI, as a military man, believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation. Nasser topped that: We shall not enter Palestine with its soil covered in sand; we shall enter it with its soil saturated in blood. He meant Israeli blood. The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon massed on the borders of Israel. Backing them with men and munitions were Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan and the whole Arab world. The actual count was 465,000 troops, more than 2,800 tanks, and 800 aircraft. President Johnson warned the Israelis not to fight. The Red Cross stocked up on blankets, the rest of the world stood by and watched. Israel couldn't get a hearing in the UN. The Security Council, it seemed, was difficult to contact. We all know what happened. The Israelis didn't wait for the war. They pre-empted it. In six days (about the same time God needed to create heaven and earth) the Israelis - using an army 80% of which were weekend soldiers i.e. civilians taking time off from work -and an airforce a fraction the size of that possessed by the Arabs defeated the lot and pushed out the borders to a more comfortable fit. Figuring that sauce for the goose was sauce for the gander they also closed the Suez Canal to all nations. On the sixth day just as the Israelis were heading for Damascus the Security Council suddenly found time to convene and ordered a cease fire on all sides. Nasser promptly died and left the mess to his successor, Anwar Sadat. Sadat waited six years and then famously announced he was willing to sacrifice one million soldiers (nice man) in a showdown with Israel. He joined Syria in assembling a vast army - the equivalent of the total forces of NATO in Europe. On the Golan Heights alone 180 Israeli tanks faced up to 1,400 Syrian tanks. Along the Suez Canal 500 Israeli
Re: [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs
Yo Fritz, Yeah, right on Fritz. And just to prove it your ethnic forebears killed offsix million of these bloody Jews only to have the rest of usdumbwesterners stop them just before they'd finished the job. Now it's up to the poor Palestinians with only suicide bombers and Katushya rockets to carry on where the rest of us left off. We need to force the Israelis to open these roads, tear down their walls and move back onto their own territory so that the bombers in civilian clothing have a fighting chance to get closer to Israeli settlements. At least let's have a level playing field here. After it's all over and the Palestinians have finally established their Muslim state we can allow a few Israeli refugees into western countries just as long as they toe the line and run the garbage collection systems for us. Good one, Fritz, Bob. - Original Message - From: Fritz Friesinger To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:33 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs Forewardet by Fritz --Check Your BeliefsBy Charley Reese03/17/06 -- -- Let's play a fantasy game to check onour belief in human rights. Let's suppose that in amythical state, a governor announced a campaign topunish African-Americans for alleged violence.Step one is to confiscate the land owned byAfrican-Americans, evict them from it and use the landto build massive new subdivisions. Only whiteProtestant Christians may live in these subdivisions.Step two is to connect these all-white ProtestantChristian settlements to each other by a highway onwhich African-Americans are forbidden to drive. Tofacilitate control, the automobile tags forAfrican-Americans will be a different color from thetags issued to white motorists. Checkpoints would beset up all around the state capitol to search andharass African-Americans trying to enter.Would you support such a plan? Would you hail thatmythical governor as a man of peace? Would you go toyour church congregation and ask the members to sendmoney to the occupants of these white settlements?Would you lobby the federal government to subsidizethis new apartheid state in our midst?I don't think so. I think most Americans wouldconsider such acts an abomination, un-American and amockery of everything both Christianity and the UnitedStates stand for.Well, if you would condemn such acts here directedagainst African-Americans, why won't you condemnidentical acts committed against the Palestinians bythe state of Israel?Those settlements you hear about are built onPalestinian land, and they are for Jews only. Newroads that Palestinians are forbidden to use connectthem. The entire West Bank is riddled with Israelicheckpoints, where innocent Palestinians are dailyhumiliated and harassed. A trip to a nearby villagecan mean waiting in line at checkpoints for hours.Palestinians have died in these lines.After all of these humiliations, abuses, the housesdestroyed, the children killed, the olive treesuprooted, how do you think Palestinians feel aboutAmericans who support the Israelis no matter what theydo to the Palestinians? Don't take my word about theseabuses. Check out the Israeli human-rightsorganization at www.btselem.org/English.If you cannot condemn the flagrant abuses ofPalestinians by the Israeli government, then you areundoubtedly a bigot, the worst kind of racist pig whobelieves that Palestinians are some kind of subspeciesof the human race. If you do condemn in your heartthese terrible abuses, but are afraid to speak outabout them, then you are a damned coward.I listened in disgust to a congressional committeehearing on the Palestinian elections. It was all aboutwhat the Palestinians have to do. It was as if thecops, interviewing a child who had been raped by anadult, lectured the child on dressing provocativelyand of being in places she should not have been in.The Palestinians are the victims here. It is theirland that is occupied. They have no army. They are atthe mercy of the Israeli government. They don't have asuperpower protecting them from internationalsanctions and supplying them with billions of dollars.The United States should be telling Israel to get outof the West Bank and East Jerusalem, to dismantle itssettlements and checkpoints, and to allow Palestinianrefugees to return to or be compensated for the landthe Israelis stole.You want to know why we have a problem with terrorism?It's not Islamic fundamentalists or hatred of freedom.It's our support of Israel's unspeakable abuse ofPalestinians. Don't blame Osama bin Laden. Blame thepresident, Congress, the American Israel PublicAffairs Committee and all the cowardly Americans whopractice hypocrisy by claiming to be moral whilesupporting gross
[Biofuel] New Zealand initiative
Hi all, Here's the latest initiative on the biofuel front in New Zealand. Note the cost and the payback time for fleet owners. Prices are in NZ dollars, currently trading at 65 US cents. Regards, Bob. Put an olive in your tank Well not quite, but if David Renwick has his way it could be olive oil or even used cooking oil for that matter - once it has been refined into biodiesel.His conversion kit, which allows diesel engines to run on biodiesel offers considerably lower fuel costs and higher efficiency. He demonstrated both in Kerikeri this week with a late model SUV, modified to run on either standard diesel or biofuels, or a mix of the two. To illustrate his vehicle's versatility he urged his audience to pour a range of standardcookng oils into the tank while the engine was running. A test drive showed good acceleration, no smoke from the exhaust and an absence of diesel smell. Instead a slight fragrance of Mom's kitchen. .Renwick, Operations Director of Envirocar - a company he grew from a garage-based idea four years ago into a national organisation, is an enthusiastic exponent of the new wave of environmentally friendly fuels. He claims his fuel gives cleaner burning engines, lower emissions, efficiencies of 15% or more and costshalf that of standard diesel. Asked the hard questions as to cost, availability, payback time and risk to vehicle warranty Renwick was open and frank. Biofuel supplied by his organisation currently costs 69 cents a litre (against the present Kerikeri price of diesel at $1.26), the conversation kit (fitted by a trained technician) comes in at $4,000 and includes a 1,000 litre storage tank for your backyard. Payback time depended on mileage i.e. the further you travelled on an annual basis the faster you could amortise the cost of conversation. For one large diesel fleet in Wellington it was four months. Any diesel engine, even those used on farm machinery, could be converted to biofuel.By agreement with car makers the fuel was acceptable. Conversion was limited to the fuel lines only and did not affect engine warranties. As a backup, Envirocar-converted vehicles retained a separate tank for ordinary diesel. Envirocar is supported by Korean car maker SSangYong and the Foundation for Research, Science and Technology which this year pumped in $93,000 to take the operation from backyard to production line. Interested biofuellers can contact Mr Renwick at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel from sewage....
Hi all, Here t'is, at last,grow-your-own fuel -from little ol' Noo Zealand would you believe? Regards, Bob. NZ firm makes bio-diesel from sewage in world firstBy Errol Kiong A New Zealand company has successfully turned sewage into modern-day gold.Marlborough-based Aquaflow Bionomic yesterday announced it had producedits first sample of bio-diesel fuel from algae in sewage ponds. It is believed to be the world's first commercial production of bio-dieselfrom "wild" algae outside the laboratory - and the company expects to beproducing at the rate of at least one million litres of the fuel each yearfrom Blenheim by April. To date, algae-derived fuel has only been tested under controlledconditions with specially grown algae crops, said spokesman Barrie Leay.Aquaflow's algae, however, were derived from excess pond discharge fromthe Marlborough District Council's sewage treatment works. Algae take mostchemicals out of sewage, but having too many of them taints the water andproduces a foul smell. Creating fuel from the algae removes the problem while producing usefulclean water, said Mr Leay. The clean water can then be used for stockfood, irrigation and, if treated properly, for human consumption. Mr Leay said the process could also benefit dairy farmers and foodprocessors as the algae also thrive in those industries' waste streams. And unlike some bio-fuel sources which require crops to be specially grown- using more land, fuel, chemicals and fertilisers - the algae alreadyexist extensively. To get the fuel, the algae are processed into a pulp before lipid oils areextracted to be turned into bio-diesel. Ref: New Zealand Herald website. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Round the world biofuel race
Racing around the world for a better planet www.earthrace.net Published Bay Chronicle, New Zealand, April 28. Earthrace, the weird and wonderful New Zealand bio-dieselpowerboat, a24-metre wave-piercing trimaran, is 100 percent Kiwi designed, built and crewed. Boasting maximum 45 knot speed and weighing 12 tonnes, Earthrace is the dream of Aucklander Peter Bethune whosold his business and mortgaged his hometo embark on the campaign. His aim is tobreak the 74-day world record for circumnavigating the globe in a powerboat,using renewable fuels. Designed to perform at high speeds in the world's toughest ocean conditions, the boat will"submarine" right through waves. Made of carbon Kevlar composites, it is a speed machine with few luxuries and basic accommodation for its four crew.Sea trials show that the boat is performing even better than its designer hoped, reaching higher speeds at great economies than first predicted.Expectationsarehigh for Earthrace to chop several days off the existing world record: the target is 65 days.The 'World's Coolest Boat' heads to the US after its New Zealand tour, promoting fuels such as bio-diesel, and raising awareness about sustainable use of resources.The race itself is scheduled to start inMarch 2007, from Barbados. Check out www.earthrace.net ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Granny peace brigade
Hi all, This made my day. I found it during my morning trawl around the world's newspapers. Enjoy. Bob. April 21, 2006 New York Times What Did You Do in the War, Grandma? by Clyde Haberman No ageism is intended, but we're willing to lay heavy odds that it has been a long while since the Manhattan district attorney, Robert M. Morgenthau, found someone older than he is to take to court. Attorney Norman Segal (L) and Court Officer Sgt. Peter Dolan (R), assist Betty Brassell (C) into the state court building in New York April 20, 2006 to face charges of protesting the war in Iraq. Brassell is one of 18 grandmothers charged for blocking access to the U.S. military recruiting station in Times Square during a recent protest. REUTERS/Chip East Bear in mind that Mr. Morgenthau is 86. He has held his job for so long that it sometimes feels as if he began before they invented Ovaltine. How many 90-year-old drug dealers or mob hit men cross his path? Yesterday, things changed. The district attorney's office pursued a criminal case against a band of women, some of them old enough to call Mr. Morgenthau sonny. Not that Marie Runyon, 91, is what you'd call a hardened criminal. Nor is Molly Klopot, 87, nor Lillian Rydell, 86. Nor, for that matter, are any of 15 other women - a few of them practically kids, no older than 61 or 62 - who went on trial yesterday in Manhattan Criminal Court, charged with disorderly conduct. The Granny Peace Brigade, they call themselves. Last October, they descended on the armed forces recruiting station in Times Square. They wanted to enlist, they said. They've been around. Send them to Iraq, they demanded, instead of some 20-year-old who has barely tasted life. When the military, shockingly, showed no interest in signing them up, this Walker and Cane Brigade held a sit-in. The police ordered them to leave. They refused. So officers young enough to be their great-grandchildren handcuffed them gently and put them under arrest. Obviously, theirs was an exercise in street theater, intended to draw cameras and scribblers to record their opposition to the war in Iraq. The tactic worked. Grandmothers being hauled away in a police wagon is what we in the news business call a story. While the style was somewhat whimsical, the grannies' message could not have been more serious. A similar mixture of soberness and good cheer was evident yesterday at a pretrial pep rally outside the Criminal Court building on Centre Street. Sure, there were denunciations of the war. But there were also photos of grandchildren and great-grandchildren hanging around the women's necks. The mood was a contrast to much of the political dialogue these days - simultaneous monologues, really, often about as witty as a Pat Robertson fatwa. The grannies are positive, upbeat, respectful, loving America, said their lawyer, Norman Siegel, who added, But they also recognize that we have some fundamental problems that need to be overcome. The nonjury trial that got under way yesterday, before Judge Neil E. Ross, did not have to be. Mr. Morgenthau's office proposed a plea deal that would have allowed the dismissal of the charges in six months provided the grannies, forgive us, kept their noses clean. But the women insisted on their day in court, hoping for a chance to speak against the war from the witness stand. We are at a very important point in the history of our country, Ms. Klopot said. It is our responsibility as patriots not to be silent. Whether Judge Ross will give her a courtroom soapbox remains to be seen. As far as the prosecution is concerned, Iraq is a nonstarter. It's not about the war, Amy Miller, an assistant district attorney, told the judge. It's about disorderly conduct. That's not how Mr. Siegel saw it. The purpose of the protest was to alert an apathetic public, he said to Judge Ross. He also argued that the grannies did not entirely block access to the recruiting center, a point conceded by police officers who testified. And so, Mr. Siegel contended, the order for the women to clear out was not lawful. They had acted on principle, he said, in a great American tradition of peaceful, nonviolent protest. Then again, a guiding principle of nonviolent protest is that one must be prepared to suffer the consequences. Age should not matter. If convicted, each of the women could be fined $250 and sent to jail for 15 days. Are they prepared to do the time? Absolutely, said one of the younger defendants, Jenny Heinz, 61. A number of us have made a decision that we will not accept fines or community service. Of course, a guilty verdict would have to come first. Then Judge Ross, 46, would have to decide if sending some women nearly twice his age to the slammer is really how he wants to be remembered. - ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] A little (more) clarification
Hi Keith, I'm sure you misunderstood the thread. I went back and had a look. It definitely says a little more clarification. You didn't just reply, you swamped me with several hours reading and chasing of urls linked to urls linked to... :) Anyway, you get the picture. Knocked out by the revelation of your family connection to Groote Schuur. I'd be eating my heart out if it were me. As it was I found the house and garden highly evocative, soaked in an ambience of something not quite definable other than the very powerful feel that real people had coped with some very real and major issues there. An item I didn't include in my last post was the Nat Party junket at the house which featured the very public release of another of those glossy spindoctoring brochures about South Africa. The Minister of Information (yes, the very same who presided over the Information scandal) decided to make it a big event with foreign and local press, plus as many members of the cabinet and their wives as he could assemble. He chose the main hall at Groote Schuur, lined it with the notables, placed we scruffier sprigs of the Fourth Estate furthest from the bar and launched into his spin. My attention wandered slightly. Something at the edge of my peripheral vision was bothering me. I focused. It was Cecil himself, in that famous Cape painting, staring down from the wall at the far end. He was looking directly at the speaker's back with such an expression of outrage that I snorted loudly, nudged the journo next to me who passed on the joke. Soon half the press corp was snorting and giggling, so much so that the Speaker stopped and stared us into silence. I quickly shot a pic with a vague idea of working a satirical angle into the story. I kid you not, when the darkroom boys later send the pic down to the newsroom there was none of the quality my imagination had imbued. Rhodes was not even looking at the speaker and his expression was as lugubrious as ever. So much for mindset. Thanks for the Orwell piece, some interesting points raised though I've always thought if he'd got himself laid more we could have been spared his excursions into literary criticism. He made one important point about Kipling's work: while the Rudyards have long ceased from Kipling and the Haggards ride no more his epigrammatic phrases still sprinkle the language while the critics have been forgotten. Eliot worried whether Kipling was a poet or a just a versifier. A truly Prufrockian observation. Too many coffee spoons I'd guess. Much appreciated your backgrounder on Milner et al. I've saved it for further rumination at leisure. And Pears Soap as an easer of the White Man's Burden? Keri could hear me chortling from the other end of the house and came racing in to share the joke. I told her with a straight face that we use racist soap - and proved it by showing her the ad. Thanks for making my day. Bob. PS: Your mention of South Africa's A-bomb test stirred a memory. I went back to the bookshelf and found it, on page 61 of Dr Richard Mueller's Nemesis, the Death Star (Weidenfeld and Nicolson, New York 1988). Mueller at that time was Professor of Physics at Berkely and Faculty Senior Scientist at the Lawrence Berkely Laboratory. The book is an account of how he came to prove his theory of repeat extinctions of species throughout earth's geological history and their cause, an orbiting star with a periodicity of some 65 million years. On page 61 Mueller states - in citing various jobs he had done for the US government that year: Frank Press asked me to be on a special committee to investigate a report that South Africa had tested a nuclear weapon. (We were able to show that they had not made such a test). (Mueller's brackets). - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A little (more) clarification Hi Bob ... I once posed for a picture (fully clothed I hasten to add) in Rhodes bath, a massive Victorian monstrosity in his Rondebosch mansion, and reflected how times had changed. The house was then occupied by one John Vorster whom I was there to interview. Groote Schuur was my great grandfather's house. Or rather it was the family farm. It stretched from where Groote Schuur hospital is now at one end to the university at the other end. That was Abraham de Smidt. He was the Surveyor-General of the Cape, and a fine water-colourist, still well-known at Sotheby's and well-priced too. (My grandfather said his father was a cantankerous old swine, LOL!) Abraham built the gardens, Rhodes probably prettied them up and extended them, and added the monstrosity bath. Abraham sold the house and the farm to Rhodes in the late 1890s, for which we never quite forgave him. Rhodes later gave it to the government, and we didn't think that was such a good idea either, we didn't like people like BJ Vorster living there, not that it was any of
Re: [Biofuel] A little (more) clarification
Hi Keith, Thanks for those urls, and the reminder about Milner, Cecil John and his financier mates. Point taken but off the point of which more in a moment. I once posed for a picture (fully clothed I hasten to add) in Rhodes bath, a massive Victorian monstrosity in his Rondebosch mansion, and reflected how times had changed. The house was then occupied by one John Vorster whom I was there to interview. Nattering aside, I didn't come to praise Rudyard, I came to bury him within his context. He lived in a time of empire. Within that narrow ken he held fast to basic human values still extant today. Nothing much to argue with in lines such as Fill full the mouth of famine/And bid the sickness cease nor in By open speech and simple/An hundred times made plain/ To seek another's profit/And work another's gain. His poem was aimed at Americans who were then making their first major imperial venture. His hope was that he could deflect them from errors made long before by Imperial Britain. His hope was vain, but well expressed. He was a gadfly to imperialists, anti-war to the core and all too conscious of the transience of human achievement. His Recessional of 1897, written at the height of empire, scandalised the establishment. The Widow's Party, an anti-war poem about the Widow of Windsor (Queen Victoria), ensured that he would never be offered the post of Poet Laureate. (Forgive my childish enthusiasms, I've been a Kipling freak since I first read If at school and then went on to research his work at varsity. ). As for Milner and his kindergarten of little bureaucrats, again context please. He was sent out to do a job. South Africa, after three years of a ruinous war was a disaster area, and not just for the Boers. It was the Brits greatest public relations disaster in the history of their empire, one from which they never recovered and which eventually destroyed the Tories. Milner was told to fix it. He did what any man of vision would do, he looked around for men of substance, the movers and shakers, the deal makers and the button pressers, and brought them on board. His success in healing the Boer/Brit divide and getting the shattered economy up and running only became apparent a decade or so later in World War One when Boer and Brit fought side by side. After the interview with Vorster, he told me his grandfather had ridden in the commando that bottled up Rhodes for some months in Kimberley during the Boer War. We were sitting on that magnificent verandah at Groote Schuur, looking out across the incredible gardens that Rhodes had created. I asked if he felt any sense of triumph or achievement. He laughed and said: Interview over, but off the record, it doesn't do to boast. Certainly not in Africa. Who knows who will be sitting here in 20 years time. It was a prescient remark. Barely 20 years later I saw a news picture of Nelson Mandela sitting on that verandah. And, I can't quite swear to this, it looked like the same damn chair. Regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A little (more) clarification Hi Bob Hi y'all, I'd say Rudyard was laughing (he had a great capacity for humour) at the misnomer we have made of his White Man's Burden. Judging out of context is like shooting fish in a barrel. Kipling lived and wrote in a time of Empire, and what he was trying to do was set a few ground rules within the context of Empire. For their time, and within the limits of the age, the rules had merit. His White Man's Burden was written in 1899 in response to the American invasion of the Philippines. His hope was that Americans would be humble in their might and sparing of their use of power. Written more than a century ago, it is eerily prescient of the present debacle in Iraq. Did you know that Kipling was a founder member of Milner's Round Table? The back-room of all back-rooms, darling of the conspiracy theorists, whatever would they have to talk about over tea otherwise. It was founded by Rhodes and Milner, along with Kipling, Maurice Hankey, Arthur Balfour, Lord Rothschild et al, American members Morgan, Rockefeller, Carnegie, Warburg... There were several responses to Kipling's White Man's Burden. Here's one: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1903blackburden.html Edward Morel: Black Man's Burden 1903 Another: http://www.swans.com/library/art8/xxx074.html The Brown Man's Burden, by Henry Labouchère - 1899 Another: http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5476/ The Black Man's Burden: A Response to Kipling Best Keith The actual words are: Take up the White Man's Burden - Send forth the best ye breed - Go bind your sons to exile To serve your captive's need; To wait in heavy harness On fluttered folk and wild - Your new-caught sullen peoples, Half devil and half child. Take up the White Man's Burden - In patience to abide, To veil the threat
Re: [Biofuel] A little (more) clarification
Hi y'all, I'd say Rudyard was laughing (he had a great capacity for humour) at the misnomer we have made of his White Man's Burden. Judging out of context is like shooting fish in a barrel. Kipling lived and wrote in a time of Empire, and what he was trying to do was set a few ground rules within the context of Empire. For their time, and within the limits of the age, the rules had merit. His White Man's Burden was written in 1899 in response to the American invasion of the Philippines. His hope was that Americans would be humble in their might and sparing of their use of power. Written more than a century ago, it is eerily prescient of the present debacle in Iraq. The actual words are: Take up the White Man's Burden - Send forth the best ye breed - Go bind your sons to exile To serve your captive's need; To wait in heavy harness On fluttered folk and wild - Your new-caught sullen peoples, Half devil and half child. Take up the White Man's Burden - In patience to abide, To veil the threat of terror And check the show of pride; By open speech and simple, An hundred times made plain, To seek another's profit, And work another's gain. Take up the White Man's Burden, The savage wars of peace - Fill full the mouth of Famine And bid the sickness cease; And when your goal is nearest The end for others sought, Watch Sloth and heathen Folly Bring all your hope to nought. Take up the White Man's Burden - No tawdry rule of kings, But toil of serf and sweeper - The tale of common things, The ports ye shall not enter, The roads ye shall not tread, Go make them with your living, And mark them with your dead. Take up the White Man's Burden - And reap his old reward: The blame of those ye better, And the hate of those ye guard - The cry of hosts ye humour (Ah slowly) towards the light:- Why brought ye us from bondage, Our loved Egyptian night? Take up the White Man's Burden- Ye dare not stoop to less - Nor call too loud on Freedom To cloak your weariness; By all ye cry or whisper, By all ye leave or do, The silent sullen peoples Shall weigh your Gods and you. Take up your White Man's Burden - Have done with childish days - The lightly proffered laurel, The easy, ungrudged praise. Comes now, to search your manhood Through all the thankless years, Cold-edged with dear-bought wisdom, The judgement of your peers! Regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A little clarification Rudtard Kipling is rolling is his grave but William Easterly probably approves of pretty much everything you've said. Michael Redler wrote: I just wanted to chime in here. Keith wrote: It reached a stage here where the list would not have survived unless we'd formulated the rules, which were already there, we didn't just make them up. It's also too common to see a reactionary restriction of expression, screening all posts before distribution (for example). This forum proves that a loose framework is very effective at maintaining individual freedoms while allowing it's membership to participate in maintaining continuity. Kim: I read some of your posts and couldn't help notice the similarities between your views and the ideology driving the White Man's Burden. Maybe it's time to rethink the ideals to which we, in the US, have been indoctrinated. Maybe it's a good time to question the perceived credibility and legacy left behind by people like McCarthy and accept the fact that it's not acceptable to steer the culture, economy and government of another country simply because you feel you're better. You wrote: Our right to determine the direction of our life today is unparalleled in human history. So, Babylon, Ancient Greece, etc. don't count. The Magna Carta was just a piece of paper (if I can borrow an expression from our president). There have been and are, better examples of democracy in human history than the republic we Americans pretend to push on others in the process of building an empire. Do some research on our Constitution and it's origins. It will lead you in a few directions - one of which is toward the Iroquois nation. Ask an Iroquois about their right to determine their life - if you can find one. You talk about the reassignment of land for the greater good but conveniently under emphasize the eradication of those people in the process of fulfilling that illusion. Mike */Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Hello Kim Greetings, I do believe that many people on this list don't read real well. I think you're relying on it. No doubt a new subject-title and dumping all the evidence helps. The ones who disagree with you read quite well though. The un-keyhole view is of Kim trying to backpedal her way up a pedestal, in defiance of the laws of
Re: [Biofuel] The Age of Autism: Hot potato on the Hill
Hi Kim, Re likely causes of polio. In the 1950s during the big polio scare the Brits plotted disease outbreaks on a map of the UK. They that polio cases clustered along the exact route of the main trunk railway lines. Further investigation showed that long-distance trains of those days dumped sewage directly onto the lines. Once this had been addressed polio outbreaks decreased and were geographically more randomly distributed. Regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Age of Autism: Hot potato on the Hill Greetings, About polio, I do believe there is some research that has tied polio to organophosphate fertilizers. My father and grandfather both had polio, my grandfather was 49 when he go it. They had a farm although they lived in the city by then and had used the chemicals about 10 years before they were both struck. The problem with the trace back was the time between exposure and the outbreak of the disease. There were 3 or 4 different strains of polio and there is some question about the causes of each strain, some may have been a virus but some were cause by exposure to toxic chemicals. In the early years of chemical fertilizers, there were no warning about exposure so the chemicals were handled with bare hands and no masks. It was cases like my grandfather, adults getting what was suppose to be a child's disease that originally sparked the research. I do not have the references for this, I lost the information about 3 computer crashes ago, so I am writing from memory. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy
No Martin, turf as in sportsground surface may be pressed grass but turf a la the Emerald Isle (dunno 'bout Russia) is very definitely not.It is the early stages of coal, in fact it is a brown coal. To describe coal as pressed grass is stretching the category a bit, by a few millions years I'd guess. Regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: martin roozenburg To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Grass Bioenergy In Europe a lot of the energy plants use TURF which is of course pressed grass, (Ireland Russia) in Scandinavia they use in threre roastbedfurnace pellets comming from Holland made from waste; chopped plastic, textile, wood,paper, board, etc, (solid fuel) these pellets reach the calloric value of coal and are replacing the coal in the furnace. greetings Martin Roozenburg- Original Message From: Don Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Friday, March 31, 2006 7:26:16 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Grass BioenergyTony Marzolino wrote: Tony Marzolino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any additional information on grass as a bio-fuel and the conversion into pellets as the site below suggests? The site does not have much detail information (capital investment, process, market, etc). It looks interesting!!! Any thoughts? http://www.grassbioenergy.org/ The best thing about this Cornell web site is the 'Demonstration' page, which summarizes a set of experiments with burning grass pellets in various real stoves and furnaces. The issue involved is the fairly high ash content of cool season grass. Canadians have researched this subject of burning grass pellets. Do a Google search on "switchgrass pellet stoves canada" and you will find some of their web pages.You should be aware that grass is being burned in some coal-fired electric power plants. Up to 10% grass is burned with the coal. Currently a power plant near Ottumwa, Iowa is running a trial of this idea; they burn 2.5% switchgrass, in the form of big bales. I am aware of another power plant project which will use pellets. -Don Wells-Inline Attachment Follows- begin:vcardfn:Don Wellsn:Wells;Donadr:;;;Charlottesville;VA;;USAemail;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED]tel;cell:+1-434-962-3363url:http://home.earthlink.net/~dwellscho/version:2.1end:vcard ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Respond on coal gassification
Hi Alex, If you have no objection I'd like to piggyback on Ezio's request and put my hand up too. My queries are based not so much on process as outcomes. Process is simply heat coal, get gas. What it costs, both commercially and environmentally, and what the range of products are determines the why. So here goes: 1. What is the cost per BTU (or whatever other energy unit you chose) of coal-derived gas as opposed to a) diesel and b) petrol? 2. What is the cost per litre of coal-derived petrol vis a vis that of oil-derived petrol? 3. Is it possible to use the coal gas directly in an internal combustion engine without major conversion costs? 4. If yes to the above question how many kilometres per litre (or equivalent unit of volume) of gas? 5. What other commercially useful products can be derived from the Sasol process? 6. How much air, water and soil pollution is generated on site by Sasol. 4. Sasol - South Africa's massive oil from coal scheme - was an emergency measure set up by the Apartheid regime to weather oil sanctions. It performed that function superbly. At the time it was mooted, the country had an estimated 350 years of good quality coal supply and I understand further reserves have since been discovered. However, is it today commercially viable i.e. capable of making a profit without government support? Thanks regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: Alex Mashego [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 9:51 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Respond on coal gassification hi i think i might be able to help you on this one, i am working for sasol in south africa and coal gassification is one of our major processes, now if you can tell me exactly what you need to know i can organise that information for you. thanks Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using the program Aspen, I view some possibilities about equation Redlich-Kwong and I think that it's betteer to analysed the system with Gibbs Free Energy. I need some helps, how to implementation e miscellaneous gas, that produced from e gassifier. Who can help me? Thanks a lot. Best regards Ezio ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] 330 miles to the gallon?
Hi All, Urban myths are forever in the making. This little snippet from Econews should add to the genre. A visit to the url isn'tmuch help either. Regards, Bob. Making Awesome Cars A Reality This concept car is amazing! It is a 2-seat, 3-wheel serial (bio)diesel hybrid called the Aptera: It achieves 330 miles per gallon (0.7 liter/100 kilometers!) in normal city and highway driving, has a 0.055-0.06 coefficient of drag (much lower than even the best current hybrids, and even than other cool prototypes like the 70 mpg Boxfish diesel hybrid by DaimlerChrysler) and a projected price of less than $20,000. Specs? Weighs 850 lbs, made almost entirely of lightweight composites, 060 mph in 11 seconds, top speed of 95 mph. Great uh? Go direct to ::Accelerated Composites www.ecostore.co.nz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Save energy, eat green
Hello Juan, Thanks for that input. You are bang on the button The title should have been Save energy, eat organic and local products To save energy and money we do not eat meat produced under US American style but Latin American style. Regards, Bob. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fw: The Indigo Evolution
Hi All, My alma mater has seen fit to forward me an invitation to a screening of what looks like a cult movie, or perhaps the first stirrings of a cult movement (or perhaps just another clever scam - see below). The fact that such material is emanating from a prestigious university gives me cause consider the oft-repeated theories of the loony left that worldwide the educational systems of western countries are being dumbed down, presumably to prepare our children as labourers in the free market vineyard. That aside, does anyone have any knowledge of this movement/cult/scam, or can add any hard fact to the touchy-feely stuff described below? Regards, Bob. Announcing the world premiére of the movie 'THE INDIGO EVOLUTION' A documentary exploring the phenomenon of 'Indigo Children' Many people today are talking about a new type of human being coming into our world. They are described as being creative, eccentric, independent, acting as if they are royalty, impatient with the status quo, system busters, possessing a high degree of integrity and highly intuitive. Some are even said to have supernatural gifts which they will use to heal the world. Though no label fully applies, they are sometimes called Indigo, Crystal, or Star Children. This documentary attempts to answer the question - Are these 'Indigos'only the fanciful notions of a few individuals embracing new-age, metaphysical beliefs, or is there real evidence that they truly do exist? If so, why are they here and how can we help them achieve their goal of creating a world based upon the laws of compassion and peace? Interviews with some of the 'most profound children on the planet today' combined with discussions with authorities in the fields of medicine, psychology, education, philosophy, and religion, will provide information for the viewer to draw their own conclusions about these questions. You can learn more about the movie at the website http://www.theindigoevolution.com. THE INDIGO EVOLUTION will be released simultaneously in more than 70 countries on the weekend of 27 to 29 January, 2006 through the Spiritual Cinema Network.The movie runs for 80 minutes, followed by a short break and a 60 minute panel discussion, with audience participation, ending at 5:30pm. A free quiz to see if a child is an 'Indigo' can be found on the Indigo Evolution web site - www.theindigoevolution.com Please do not confuse The Indigo Evolution movie with the 2005 movie 'Indigo', which was not a documentary. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Save energy, eat green
Hi again, This from the December 17 edition of the UK-based New Scientist. Regards, Bob. Save energy, eat green Are you considering switching to more eco-friendly fuels and means oftransportation? You could do more by going vegan, say two University of Chicago researchers. Gidon Eshel and Pamela Martin looked at the amount of fossil fuel used in the cultivation of various foods.This included therunning of agricultural machinery, crop irrigationand the provision of food for livestock. Other factors considered were theemission of methane and nitrous oxide gases produced by stock animals and their manure. They found that thetypical US diet, of which about28 per cent comes from animal sources, generated the equivalent of nearly 1.5 tonnes of carbon dioxide per person per year more than a vegan diet with the same number of calories. By comparison, the difference in annual emissions from an average saloon car and a hybrid energy-efficient vehicle is just over a tonne. However, theeco-friendlymeat-eater needn't rush off and join a vegan commune. The article advises there is an alternative:eat less-processed animal products and poultry instead of red meat andthus help reduce greenhouse gases. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Churchill didn't say it.........
Hi all, There I was, sipping nectar in paradise, minding my own business, wondering at the passing parade and thinking good of all mankind when suddenly - out of the blue, mind you, not in response to any dastardly deed of mine - I was ambushed by Keith's acutely accurate pen;a reminder that we are indeed mortal and that our idols without exception, have feet of clay. Vide the following mireflung at Winston. (Snip)Churchill though... Very embedded journalist he was during the Boer War and previously. How about this awkward little gem? "Churchill is the very type of a corrupt journalist. There is not a worse prostitute in politics. He himself has written that it's unimaginable what can be done in war with the help of lies." - Adolf Hitler, to General Erwin Rommel, 1942. A message for our times? LOL! What a freak show, Barnum would have loved it.With no intention of starting World War Three mayI venture somecomment.Firstly, in a remarkable number of battles, Winston was certainly deeply imbedded , both a combatant and a journo. Not for him the typewriter in the safe hotel or the regurgitation of Army PR as holy writ.In Afghanistan in the late 1880s he took command of a company of the Thirtyfirst Punjab Infantry during an action in the field when all the seniorofficers werekilled. He knew onlytwo words in Punjabi:maro (kill) and chalo (get on), two which he added anEnglish word - Tallyho - and led the sepoyson his grey pony in a rout ofthe enemy. In the Sudan two years later talked his way into a field commission as a Lieutenant with the 21st Lancers and took part with distinction in Britain's last great cavalry charge. His dispatcheswere so evenhanded (on that occasion he described his Arab foes: "As brave men as ever walked the earth".) that he earned Kitchener's (head of the imperial forces of those days)undying enmity. Onescaping from a Boer prison during the South African War - and defying Kitchener's edict that no war correspondent could be at the front -hejoined the South African Light Horse and played a major role during the appalling slaughter inthe British defeat at Spion Kop,crawling around the battlefield from trench to trench,stiffening the courage of thelower ranks, arranging for rescue of wounded and minimising further casualties(Manchester, The Last Lion, Vol.1) In short, he was a gung-ho Tory product of his time, doing what his patrician and public school upbringing had trained him to do. Fast forward tothe second year ofWW2 when the Britshada straight choice: Hitler or Churchill, fascist or tory (Republican, if you will): one was totalitarian, the other a democrat. (to paraphrase Winston himself: "Democracy is the worst possible form of government, except for all the others." In the WW2 stoush betweenfascism and democracy peopledidn't have time for the politically correct nitpicking we relish in our generation- in fact they bought us the time we usefor our current navel-gazing. There was ajob to do. They needed somebody to do it. The Brits chose Churchill (believe it or not, there was a rising groundswell of opinon among the upper classes that Britain should do an insider dealwith Hitler). It took Churchill five days to root out the opinion-formers, face them down and get the majority of Brits singingfrom the same hymnbook. Then he went on public radioand told the average British yobbo that he promised him nothing but blood and toil, sweat and tears. He didn't mince words when it came to stiffening backbone. A year or so later the Americans were confrontedwith disaster in the Pacific. They too had their naysayers but they also had apatrician in the White House,Roosevelta democrat who chose two otherpatricians, army brats Eisenhower andMcArthur, to do the job. Save me the agonizing about the inferior/superior qualities of civilisation exhibited byrespective fighting forces throughout the ages. For every anti-Nazi quote I'm sure I could find adozen in favour of Hitler and his minions, ditto for the Empire of the Rising Sun. In short we arecriticising very fallible human beings, worse still we are doing it out ofcontext. In war use a soldier for the job. In other situationslook for other qualifications. After the smoke has cleared we mislead ourselves if wemistake wartime propaganda for truth andsatire for opinion. Churchill was many things but most of all he was a master of the English language, anarch satirist,a political animal of the first order and a leader of men. As for colonialisation, it wasn't invented by the Brits nor practiced solely by aging white men in funny hats.It is, was and always will be a fact of life for the human race which got where it was through a few million yearsofdevil-take-the-hindmost survival of the fittest evolution.The Brits are clobbered for their imperial history which occurred in every other nation on earth (yes, even those nice peaceful Aboriginessaw nothing wrong with
[Biofuel] Help, my world is going nuke!
Hi Keith, Here in the clean and green where hydro, wind, thermal and tidal energy options are coming out of our ears the nuclear crazies have suddenly resurfaced. They look sane, they even wear suits and ties, carry laptops and talk in full sentences. Among other things they've launched a media campaign to rethink a New Zealand decision of many years ago to ban the use of nuclear energy, including the admission of nuclear-powered ships to our waters. They seek the construction of a nuclear power station, slap bang in an urban area in an island nine by seven housing more than half our population. Their bona fides are impeccable (top academics, energy consultants, corporate heads etc) and their arguments smoothly plausible. They will win eventually unless opposed with better and more persuasive argument. Years ago I fought a five-year campaign against a nuclear powerstation in South Africa and lost. That was before Chernobyl. The chickens of cost are only now coming coming home to roost for the South African idiocy. Shortly the aging plant near Cape Town - built on the coast of what was once described as the fairest Cape in all the earth - will have to be mothballed. Apart from the fact that such a process will suck up billions of dollars best used to eradicate poverty in a needy continent, it will when finally decommissioned remain forever a target for terrorism and an excrescence on the face of the planet. During its lifetime it produced electricity at twice the cost of alternate fuels. It also provided weapons material for the regime. I'd hate to see it happen again, here in what Kipling called last, loneliest and loveliest of lands. But I'm getting too long in the tooth now to do the research though I'm happy to fire the bullets. A disk crash wiped my archives, including some useful material you sent from JTF. Canst please repeat the favour or perhaps point me to suitable sources? If anyone else has anything to add in terms of solid, well-sourced and dependable anti-nuclear energy background material I'd be most grateful. Regards, Bob. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Churchill didn't say it.........
Snip ... what I tend to think of as Churchill's critical threshold level, when he mouthed that nonsense that you can fool some of the people all of the time and you can fool all of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time - Though I am an admirer of the great man I have to put in my tuppence worth here. Winston did not originate this quote. It comes from the greatest showman of all time, a 19th century American called Phineas Taylor Barnum. His exact words were, in introducing a conjuring act sometime in the mid-1800s, were: You may fool all of the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time but you can't fool all the people all of the time. They were repeated in a political context by Abraham Lincoln in a speech given at Clinton on September 8, 1858. Regards, Bob. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
