Re: [biofuel] Re: Hydrated ethanol/diesel fuel blends
No 2 diesel is what we burn in the our vehicles and machinery when it's above about -10 F. A mixture of No 1 and No 2 down below that down to about -30 F. In practice in Minnesota, your temps are about 10F to 20F too low. Maybe we warm back up more during the day. But I have run No 2 down to 10 below at night. But the day I did this was a lot warmer. It got back up to zero to maybe 10 above for a short time. I always assumed that it took longer for the fuel in the tanks to warm up. This was also 15 to 20 years ago. No 2 might be a lot heavier now than then. I know that gasoline back then was a lot better. The place where I get my fuel says not to run No 1 in an engine straight. They claim it will harm the engine. We must not be talking about the same grade. Through I always thought they were the same everywhere. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/jd3IAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Hydrated ethanol/diesel fuel blends
I do now. I took 2 oz's of No 2 diesel, 2 oz's of soybean oil, and 1 oz of Everclear. The diesel and SVO mixed very well. The alcohol separated out and formed a clear layer on top within a very few minutes. I topped this off with some gasoline, hoping to help out, and the gasoline mixed into the diesel and SVO and my alcohol was still a clear layer on top. Just for everybodys information, the No 2 diesel and SVO mixed in a 50/50 mixture wasn't a lot thicker than No 3 diesel. George Steve Spence wrote: I have no experience mixing ethanol with diesel. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: George Wessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrated ethanol/diesel fuel blends Steve Summers here are very hotand I was thinking of a summer time fuel only. But to help thin the mixture out a little I was wondering if I could add 10 to 20 percent ethanol. I've heard of adding ethanol to biodiesel, but not to dino diesel. Is it possible or wise? George Steve Spence wrote: don't mix diesel with svo unless it's heated. you are looking for trouble. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 12:51 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Hydrated ethanol/diesel fuel blends Hi Keith How much ethanol can be added to dino diesel? I plan on mixing my diesel 50/50 with SVO. How much ethanol could be added to that mixture? Thanks in advane George __ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=212804.2460941.3878106.2225242/D=egroupweb/S=17050832 69:HM/A=810373/R=0/*http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info?.refer=blrecs http://rd.yahoo.com/M=212804.2460941.3878106.2225242/D=egroupweb/S=17050832 69:HM/A=810373/R=1/*http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info?.refer=blrecs Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://shopnow.netscape.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=212804.2460941.3878106.2225242/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=810373/R=0/*http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info?.refer=blrecs http://rd.yahoo.com/M=212804.2460941.3878106.2225242/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=810373/R=1/*http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info?.refer=blrecs Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://shopnow.netscape.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home for Top $ http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM
Re: [biofuel] Hydrated ethanol/diesel fuel blends
We have No 1 through at lease No 6. Their could be heavier diesel oil out their but I have never heard of it. I'm sure each one is based on some unit of heat, viscosity, or something. No 1 diesel is the lightest and I have always heard that it cannot be burned directly in diesel motors. It's simply to hot. No 2 diesel is what we burn in the our vehicles and machinery when it's above about -10 F. A mixture of No 1 and No 2 down below that down to about -30 F. Below that I don't know what they use. No 3 diesel gels out at about 20 F. I know No 3 is a higher BTU diesel and that we are suppost to get more horsepower per gallon. If my SVO and No 2 diesel mixture was indeed close to No 3 then it would burn very well as long as the temp was above 30 to 40 F. That suits my purpose very well. George Ken Basterfield wrote: Please can you distinguish between No. 2 Diesel and No. 3? It is not a classification system we use in the UK. Does it relate to viscosity? Are there any other No. of Diesel Oils? Ken - Original Message - From: George Wessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: 14 October 2002 05:11 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrated ethanol/diesel fuel blends I do now. I took 2 oz's of No 2 diesel, 2 oz's of soybean oil, and 1 oz of Everclear. The diesel and SVO mixed very well. The alcohol separated out and formed a clear layer on top within a very few minutes. I topped this off with some gasoline, hoping to help out, and the gasoline mixed into the diesel and SVO and my alcohol was still a clear layer on top. Just for everybodys information, the No 2 diesel and SVO mixed in a 50/50 mixture wasn't a lot thicker than No 3 diesel. George Steve Spence wrote: I have no experience mixing ethanol with diesel. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: George Wessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrated ethanol/diesel fuel blends Steve Summers here are very hotand I was thinking of a summer time fuel only. But to help thin the mixture out a little I was wondering if I could add 10 to 20 percent ethanol. I've heard of adding ethanol to biodiesel, but not to dino diesel. Is it possible or wise? George Steve Spence wrote: don't mix diesel with svo unless it's heated. you are looking for trouble. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 12:51 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Hydrated ethanol/diesel fuel blends Hi Keith How much ethanol can be added to dino diesel? I plan on mixing my diesel 50/50 with SVO. How much ethanol could be added to that mixture? Thanks in advane George __ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=212804.2460941.3878106.2225242/D=egroupweb/S=17050832 69:HM/A=810373/R=0/*http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info?.refer=blrecs http://rd.yahoo.com/M=212804.2460941.3878106.2225242/D=egroupweb/S=17050832 69:HM/A=810373/R=1/*http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info?.refer=blrecs Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://shopnow.netscape.com
Re: [biofuel] Hydrated ethanol/diesel fuel blends
Steve Summers here are very hotand I was thinking of a summer time fuel only. But to help thin the mixture out a little I was wondering if I could add 10 to 20 percent ethanol. I've heard of adding ethanol to biodiesel, but not to dino diesel. Is it possible or wise? George Steve Spence wrote: don't mix diesel with svo unless it's heated. you are looking for trouble. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 12:51 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Hydrated ethanol/diesel fuel blends Hi Keith How much ethanol can be added to dino diesel? I plan on mixing my diesel 50/50 with SVO. How much ethanol could be added to that mixture? Thanks in advane George __ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=212804.2460941.3878106.2225242/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=810373/R=0/*http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info?.refer=blrecs http://rd.yahoo.com/M=212804.2460941.3878106.2225242/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=810373/R=1/*http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info?.refer=blrecs Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://shopnow.netscape.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Packing versus Plates
From what I have read, a general rule of thumb is; up to 4 you would be better off with scrubbers, anything bigger than 4 and scrubber will tend to channel, from 4 up to 8 you would do well with packing like pall rings and the like, from 10 and up you would do well to use plates. However I have seen plans for a 4 still with bubble cap plates and they claim to be the most efficient still made. Their claim not mine. To make the 10 bubble cap plate type still work you would need somewhere around a 10 hp boiler or around 350,000 btu input. It would also produce up to or around 30 gallon of ethanol per hou using a 10% wash. I have gleaned this information from a lot of different sources and complyed it myself, none of it is to be considered absolute. Their has been some writings about using some sort of perforated plate with the packing on the 6 to 8 inch stills to help even out the vapor flow. On spacing I read once, and do not remember where that the spacing should be double the diameter as a rule of thumb. But the heat input, the quanity output, and the wash percent all effect this so it is hard to say. Their is no set rule to follow. Perforated plates require a lot of drilling and the bubble caps are hard to construct. Anything over a 6 to 8 inch would require quite the effort to bring up to speed. Unless you have a cheap source of heat, a motor of some type that runs constancely , the expense of bringing one of the bigger one up to steam would be very high. One other thing that effects the plate type stills is wheather or not you are going to filter out the solids in your wash. If you are not then your plates would have to be designed to be self cleaning. If you do then the solids need to be compressed to get as much alcohol recovered as possible. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the biofuel library (Mother/s Alcohol Fuel Seminar) there are plans for a 6 inch (150 mm) unit filled with Pall rings. In chpt. 7 the use of plates are discussed, and a typical plate design for a 12 inch (300 mm) diam. column is mentioned. Question 1) - When should one start considering using plates as opposed to packing? Question 2) - What spacing should these plates have? Are there design factors? Wal Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/ed/ediets/300x250_orange_01.gif http://rd.yahoo.com/M=194081.2053425.3521449.1829184/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1046314/R=1/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=3225 http://rd.yahoo.com/M=194081.2053425.3521449.1829184/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1046314/R=2/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=3225 Height:ft in Weight: Sex: F M Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Take the Yahoo! Groups survey for a chance to win $1,000. Your opinion is very important to us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/NOFBfD/uAJEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Cheap Alcohol in Vermont? - 2
He would do well to contact his states Dept of Revenue and ask what permits are needed in his state of residence. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the US, home brewers need to get a small fuel producer permit from the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. It is fairly easy to aquire, and denaturing is not required for ethanol consumed on premises. BATF Alcohol Programs -- FAQs, Information, Permits, Regulations: http://www.atf.treas.gov/alcohol/index.htm agree Steve, did not mean to imply otherwise. The permit is free from ATF and takes around 60 days. Terry steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: unless he gets the small fuel producer permit, he will find himself in more trouble than a drug peddler. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Terry Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cheap Alcohol in Vermont? - 1 Why dont you make your own? After all this is what this is all about. Terry D. Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. INC www.revenoor.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of a dealer/supplier in the New England area of ethanol or methanol? I am trying to drop costs in my production to make it more appealing to those institutions (Middlebury College, U. Vermont, etc.)interested in biodiesel. Thanks, Ron Schildge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Huge Hydrogen Stores Found Below Earth's Crust
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very mild on this list compared to others. When I replied to a post on another list that nothing had ever been contributed by Arabs I asked if the Alphabet and our system of numbers wouldn't be considered a contribution. The reply I got was the people are a different people now. There is a deliberate propaganda effort to demonize Arabic peoples and I loathe propaganda because it always presages violence. There is a plan afoot and it smells of blood. (snip) When Saddam Husseim, sorry for the spelling, gased the Curds in Northern Iarqi was that propaganda. I would have to bet that the Curds didn't think so, it was plan genocide to them. When the Kuwaits excuted the Iarqi soldiers by beheading after the US forced Saddam to pull back his army, was that propaganda. I bet the Iarqi soldiers who got caught and was about to be murdered didn't think so. Or when Osama blew up the Marine barracks in Saudia Arabia was that propaganda. I could go on and on. Their actions are not exceptable by Western standards. If this is offensive to them then let them learn and change. The killing has to stop and they have to start with their own people in case Saddam is listening. If they don't like it then why don't they change. They are forceing this world into a war they cannot win. Yet a very large group, and growing, 65% of the Arabs poled by NBC, support the terrorist action of al queda against the US. When the World Trade Center was attacked on 9\11 the Arab students attending the Oklahoma State University cheered openly in front of the rest of the student body when the towers collapased. We were offended then, horribly insulated would be a better word, and they didn't give a damn about our feeling then. I hope being murdered by the thousands isn't to offensive to them but it is coming if they don't stop with the terrorism. It has all ready started in Afganhistan. Your right, their is a plan afoot and it does smell of blood, one on each side and blood from both. Arafat could denounce terrorism and stop a lot of it right now. But he won't, he don't want his Hamas and Juduid buddies to kill him for giving in to the west. I know their is a lot of good Arab people out their and they are being sucked into the beast just like the rest of us. We will all pay for the murderous actions of a few. The Arab's have the power to stop this now. To work out a peaceful deal with the US and Israel but they won't because the terrorist group that they finance won't let them. Anybody who tries dies. I would have to wonder if their feeling are hurt as they are being executed by their own people for wanting peace. I agree we cannot stereotype all arab into one group of murdering cowards. From another view, isn't all American's placed into one group of fat, lazy morons who drive big expensive cars that guzzle gasoline and pollute the air by some if not most of the rest of the world. Throw our money around and offend the world by our fragent acts. I don't drive a big, gas guzzling car. I do everything I can to cut my fuels costs every way I can and I most certainly don't throw my money around. So this puts me into the same group as the arabs that don't support the murdering of innocent people by cowards. Yet I take this insult with grace, then let the arabs take their insults with grace as well. I read once that 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name. So it is with the Arab world, the only way it will stop is when they clean up the small percent that is giving the rest of them a bad name. SAudia Arabia and the US are having some hard feelings because they refuse to help seize the assets of terroriest who operate in and out of Saudia Arabia. Why, because the majority of the Saudia people support the terrorists, that's why. Not a small percent but enough to threaten King Faud's government if he helps the US to much. Sorry in advance for blowing off, it isn't all propganda, their is a real problem out their and it has to be dealt with or it will only get worst. And a lot of people are going to get far worst than hurt feeling. I wish I could say it wasn't true but I'm afraid this is just getting started. If the Arabs don't like it then they should offer a little more support to stop the terrorist. Nothing that the US has ever done will justifie the blowing up of the WTC and the murder of thousands of innocent people. The real propagand is where we are being blamed for forceing the terrorist to blow it up. George I hate deception because manipulation is a form of witchcraft. Truly evil conduct. Kirk -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 1:44 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Huge Hydrogen Stores Found Below Earth's Crust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for answering. I had thought it would stop war in the OPEC countries. THat one isn't
Re: [biofuel] hydraulic system lubrication
You don't mention what kind of hydraulic system your using. In my machinery I have to change the hydraulic oil on a annual basis because the additives in the oil break down, not the oil. After the additives break down the system is only about half as effective as before. I just got to install a new hydraulic pump in one of my tractor because of this. Hydraulic oil takes a real punishment went it is used. George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if using BD helps lubricate the injection system, would it be any benefit to use svo in a hydraulic system for lubrication. It would be less toxic using svo also. - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=215002.1990895.3471383.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1000239/R=0/*http://ads.x10.com/?bHlhaG9vaG0xLmRhd=1019278334%3eM=215002.1990895.3471383.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1000239/R=1 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Huge Hydrogen Stores Found Below Earth's Crust
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for answering. I had thought it would stop war in the OPEC countries. THat one isn't clear to me. (snip) I would offer that as the OPEC nations melt down from the oil barons of the world of today, back to nomadic goat herders that the killing would be blood curdling as they fight amongst themselves for turf, power and money. Has the killing ever really stopped. It never has in Iraqi. George I assumed the worker relocation could for a time be manufacture of the new energy source. My projection was the oil companies would very much like to stop the machine. I am very interested in the last question of the series. What would you do if it was your invention? Thanks, Kirk -Original Message- From: Pepu2 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 5:10 AM To: kirk Subject: Re[2]: [biofuel] Huge Hydrogen Stores Found Below Earth's Crust if the creation of such machine is that simple then nobody would succeed to restrain its spread (although there probably would be attempts to do so). further, that would mean the need to re-allocate at least several million people to different businesses as very much of oil and related industries would cease to exist. reallocation of workforce always creates tension, look at the industrial revolution times in the 19th century... further think about those military powerful nations that are very much dependent on oil, like OPEC countries, it is very likely that action politics would gain popularity. in one word i would expect war. I am interested in what the forum truly believes. Please share your vision with me. You can mail me off list if you wish. [EMAIL PROTECTED] My question is this If you devised a machine so simple it could be built in a village workshop and it would provide the energy needs of a home or business what would the existing power structure do. Let's further assume that like cold fusion the thing would run many years without a fuel bill. What would the oil companies do? What would the government do? What would you do? I am honestly interested in your perceptions Kirk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 4/17/2002 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Kwick Pick opens locked car doors, front doors, drawers, briefcases, padlocks, and more. On sale now! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ehaLqB/Fg5DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] hydrous ethanol
Using a E85 would modifications need to be made to the carburator jets to to use the higher alcohol fuel or would it run good enough with it's current jet sizes. The reason I ask is that some of my vechiles are mid eighties. These carbs might not do so well without the modification. The rest are electronic injection and as I understand it a pressure increase using the current injectors would most likely be good enough. The other reason I was using a E50 limit is because of the large inventory of DDGS's I will end up with. Would need to create a outlet for the additional DDGS's if I produce much more alcohol than I would need with a E50 fuel When the price of gasoline reaches $2.00 a gallon, if I mix in 50% alcohol so my fuel will be costing around $1.00 again I will be more than happy. No big modifications needed on any of my vechiles, yet a real savings in fuel costs. Other than that a E85 would be just fine. George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that E85 was the most optimum mix to run in today's gas engines? And why would E50 absorb any more H2O from the air than E10, except proportionately? On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 09:41:40PM -0500, George Wessel wrote: Hello Everybody Now that I understand the problem with gasohol. I need to ask another question. If you mix one part anhydrous alcohol with one part gasoline to create a E50 fuel. Will it suck moisture out of the air like anhydrous alcohol will. If not then how high a alcohol content can you go before it starts pulling moisture out of the air. I have never invisioned running my vechiles on E100. But more of a E30 to E50 at the highest kind of fuel. I'm just not to wild about the idea of keeping my fuel in air tight tanks. But that is possible if it has to be. Thanks for all the replys George Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=217097.2003762.3481930.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1042587/R=0/*http://service.bfast.com/bfast/click?bfmid=29150849siteid=39282504bfpage=account Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Hydrous Gasohol
Thanks Keith I guess we needed that. I knew it had to be to simple to be ture. George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AFAIK it's not the water that separates from the ethanol and gasoline. The water causes the ethanol and the gasoline to separate. There's stuff in the archives about this. Here's what one message said: The separation that occurs is the gas and alcohol separating NOT the alcohol and water. It is the water that causes the separation but the water doesn't separate from the alcohol. If we could cause this to occur just by adding gas we wouldn't need to fool around with molecular sieves - just add gas and drain the water off - it just don't happen. So the problem is the gas and alcohol separate in storage or in the car tank and it is very hard to tune the car - one moment it's running on straight gas and another on straight alcohol. All the references I've seen confirm this: Ethanol is completely miscible with all petrol [gasoline] formulations, but the mixtures are subject to phase separation in the presence of small amounts of water. - the ethanol and gasoline separate. Alcohol blends do have one relatively minor drawback. The presence of even small amounts of water in the blend will cause a portion of the alcohol and gasoline to separate. At room temperature, less than 1% water can do the damage. As the temperature is lowered, amounts as small as 0.01% can cause separation. However, various substances such as benzene (benzol), acetone, and butyl alcohol can be added to the blend to increase water tolerance. - The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel by S.W. Mathewson http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual1-2.html#ch2 Best Keith I have the same problem, I don't understand what's happening to the gasoline when you add ethanol and water and I know of no one I can ask other than this group. I would be inclined to believe the authors of the various books I've read that the water will fall out and cause problems. Many years ago I learned about supersaturation in chemistry class, As long as you kept heating the water you could add more and more sugar, up to a point that is. But when you turned the heat down the sugar would fall out and settle on the bottom because the water couldn't hold that much sugar with the lower heat level. So I'm guessing that as the temperature drops the water will fall out until at some temperature all of the water has fallen out. This can be tested easy enought. Tomorrow I will buy a bottle of Everclear (I think it is 200 proof) so I will know exactly how much water I will be adding and then see what it takes to get it to fall out. Start out at let's say, 70 degrees and let it cool down slowly until I get my water back. I'll let you know what happens. George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George wrote: My thinking is this, hydrous ethanol (let's say 180 proof) is a lot cheaper and faster to make than anhydrous. Mix the hydrous ethanol with your gasoline and let it set until the water falls out and then drain the water off. I can't imagine this would work to dry alcohol, or nobody would bother with the fancy distillations, entraining cosolvents, molecular sieves, etc. I know that's not a real answer, but maybe someone else can give the specific reason it doesn't work that way. My problem is that I perhaps don't understand the problem. I know that water and Ethanol mix well. Too well sometimes. That's what distillation is all about. Gasoline and Ethanol also mix well. Water and Gasoline don't mix well beyond a certain point. The next portion is from hearsay. Evidently when you try to combine all 3, there is a problem. Supposedly the water drops out of suspension, creating a problem. It seems to me, that if the water drops out, it is a solution, not a problem. If it doesn't drop out, where is the problem? I definitely need some more factual input into this topic. I have an old Chevy pickup that is not highway legal, so I can't drive it to town to gas it up. All the fuel for it is hauled in cans or barrels. I get a lot of condensation etc. in my fuel, and burn a fair amount of water. Sometimes I use Gasohol with 10% Ethanol, sometimes I don't. I seldom have any fuel problems. If I do, I dump some Isopropyl alcohol in the tank. Isopropyl is only 70% alcohol, and 30% water. I don't know how the chemistry works out, but my pickup runs very well. I haven't had the carburator off for several years, so I don't know what it looks like internally. Does anyone have the time to do some research into the alleged problem? Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [Click Here!]
Re: [biofuel] hydrous ethanol
Hello Everybody Now that I understand the problem with gasohol. I need to ask another question. If you mix one part anhydrous alcohol with one part gasoline to create a E50 fuel. Will it suck moisture out of the air like anhydrous alcohol will. If not then how high a alcohol content can you go before it starts pulling moisture out of the air. I have never invisioned running my vechiles on E100. But more of a E30 to E50 at the highest kind of fuel. I'm just not to wild about the idea of keeping my fuel in air tight tanks. But that is possible if it has to be. Thanks for all the replys George Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Hydrous Gasohol
I have the same problem, I don't understand what's happening to the gasoline when you add ethanol and water and I know of no one I can ask other than this group. I would be inclined to believe the authors of the various books I've read that the water will fall out and cause problems. Many years ago I learned about supersaturation in chemistry class, As long as you kept heating the water you could add more and more sugar, up to a point that is. But when you turned the heat down the sugar would fall out and settle on the bottom because the water couldn't hold that much sugar with the lower heat level. So I'm guessing that as the temperature drops the water will fall out until at some temperature all of the water has fallen out. This can be tested easy enought. Tomorrow I will buy a bottle of Everclear (I think it is 200 proof) so I will know exactly how much water I will be adding and then see what it takes to get it to fall out. Start out at let's say, 70 degrees and let it cool down slowly until I get my water back. I'll let you know what happens. George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George wrote: My thinking is this, hydrous ethanol (let's say 180 proof) is a lot cheaper and faster to make than anhydrous. Mix the hydrous ethanol with your gasoline and let it set until the water falls out and then drain the water off. I can't imagine this would work to dry alcohol, or nobody would bother with the fancy distillations, entraining cosolvents, molecular sieves, etc. I know that's not a real answer, but maybe someone else can give the specific reason it doesn't work that way. My problem is that I perhaps don't understand the problem. I know that water and Ethanol mix well. Too well sometimes. That's what distillation is all about. Gasoline and Ethanol also mix well. Water and Gasoline don't mix well beyond a certain point. The next portion is from hearsay. Evidently when you try to combine all 3, there is a problem. Supposedly the water drops out of suspension, creating a problem. It seems to me, that if the water drops out, it is a solution, not a problem. If it doesn't drop out, where is the problem? I definitely need some more factual input into this topic. I have an old Chevy pickup that is not highway legal, so I can't drive it to town to gas it up. All the fuel for it is hauled in cans or barrels. I get a lot of condensation etc. in my fuel, and burn a fair amount of water. Sometimes I use Gasohol with 10% Ethanol, sometimes I don't. I seldom have any fuel problems. If I do, I dump some Isopropyl alcohol in the tank. Isopropyl is only 70% alcohol, and 30% water. I don't know how the chemistry works out, but my pickup runs very well. I haven't had the carburator off for several years, so I don't know what it looks like internally. Does anyone have the time to do some research into the alleged problem? Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [Click Here!] http://rd.yahoo.com/M=194081.1994012.3473453.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1036972/R=0/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=3466 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: biomass, ethanol and the environment
Or, my personal favorite, to gasify(Thermal Hydrolysis) the stover (residues) to Synthesis gas with a Water Shift reaction to a catalytic reactor to synthetic Diesel fuel Motie Would you have any info or web pages etc. on this Thermal Hydrolysis? I have never heard of this and am very interested. Thanks George Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol from biomass
Hi All I have Micki's Book. The chapter on Methanol does not say how to make methanol. It says that making methanol is a completely different process and this book doen not tell you how to make methanol. It goes on to say that methanol is made by heating wood ash, waste and stalks and then distilling the vapor. If grain was used it would destroy all the protein. Of all the books I have purchased this book would definitely be on the bottom. Not a lot of help in regards to making either ethanol or methanol. For fuel alcohol my all time favorite book was Moonshine Motorfuel by Tom Hamn. It is wrote in a simple language and is easy to read. Everything from start to finish is presentated. Neither of these books gives complete details on how to build the double column still that runs off steam. Micki's book however was a lot cheaper to buy. George recently revised, called Makin' It On The Farm by Micki Nellis, has a chapter on how one man made a farm size methanol plant. The book is avalable or you can get it in electronic form, but, you have to look hard for it. It took me 2 1/2 months to find it and Micki her self. I recomend it to anyone who wants info. about making alcohol. Hey, Micki, you listening? Makin' It on the Farm -- Alcohol Fuel is the Road to Independence, by Micki Nellis http://buffalo-creek-press.com/alcohol.htm This book is still in demand after 18 years. Referenced in many alternative energy guides, how-to books, and in the ATF's own guide to fuel alcohol. Was used as a textbook in several community colleges. Buffalo Creek Press US$2.95. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol from biomass
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some more info: see the zip-file (ppt). For small scale plants it more easy to recommendable to use a once-through process. the other problem is the supply with H2 and CO or H2 and CO2. This can be done by using a reformer with Pt-cat to reform CH4. The Pt-Cat must not keep in touch with sulfur, so you need a desulfurization. (snip) If the CH4 is produced in a biomass digester would I still have to use the reformer with Pt-cat? George It is a multi step process which should be very good integrated concerning heat recovering to get interesing energy efficiency and output. Greg and April wrote: - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 21:03 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methanol from biomass Hello George Hello Keith Could you or Daniel give some detail on the process of producing methanol from biogas. Not me, other than to refer you to previous discussions in the archives, as previous. Maybe Daniel can help you - on-list I hope, if so, there are lots of people who want to know more about this. I hope so as well. I've been trying to get info. about various catalyst, from different company, that might be useful in small scale methanol production, but all I get in reply to my questions is some tech. brochures about why that companies catalyst is good. I get the impresion that they are not realy interested in helping the small guy, do better, and have come away with a bad taste in my mouth that I know is not from methanol. If you can't understand all the tech. speak, they are not interested in helping. Greg H. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Zentrum fr Sonnenenergie- und Wasserstoff-Forschung (ZSW) Regenerative Kraftstoffe und Verfahren (REG) Center of Solar Energy and Hydrogen Research Renewable Fuels and Processes Dipl.-Ing. Daniel West Hessbruehlstra§e 21C 70565 Stuttgart, Germany http://www.zsw-bw.de Tel.: ++49-711-7870-249 Fax: ++49-711-7870-200 eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=847665/R=0/*http://ads.x10.com/?bHlhaG9vbW9uc3RlcjcuZGF0=1015576041%3eM=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=847665/R=1 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol from biomass
Soryy for the duplicate but I forgot to ask. Where would I find the zip-file (ppt) mentioned below? George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some more info: see the zip-file (ppt). For small scale plants it more easy to recommendable to use a once-through process. the other problem is the supply with H2 and CO or H2 and CO2. This can be done by using a reformer with Pt-cat to reform CH4. The Pt-Cat must not keep in touch with sulfur, so you need a desulfurization. It is a multi step process which should be very good integrated concerning heat recovering to get interesing energy efficiency and output. Greg and April wrote: - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 21:03 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methanol from biomass Hello George Hello Keith Could you or Daniel give some detail on the process of producing methanol from biogas. Not me, other than to refer you to previous discussions in the archives, as previous. Maybe Daniel can help you - on-list I hope, if so, there are lots of people who want to know more about this. I hope so as well. I've been trying to get info. about various catalyst, from different company, that might be useful in small scale methanol production, but all I get in reply to my questions is some tech. brochures about why that companies catalyst is good. I get the impresion that they are not realy interested in helping the small guy, do better, and have come away with a bad taste in my mouth that I know is not from methanol. If you can't understand all the tech. speak, they are not interested in helping. Greg H. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Zentrum fr Sonnenenergie- und Wasserstoff-Forschung (ZSW) Regenerative Kraftstoffe und Verfahren (REG) Center of Solar Energy and Hydrogen Research Renewable Fuels and Processes Dipl.-Ing. Daniel West Hessbruehlstra§e 21C 70565 Stuttgart, Germany http://www.zsw-bw.de Tel.: ++49-711-7870-249 Fax: ++49-711-7870-200 eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=847665/R=0/*http://ads.x10.com/?bHlhaG9vbW9uc3RlcjcuZGF0=1015576041%3eM=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=847665/R=1 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol from biomass
The other approach makes methanol from methane and steam. This is the typical methanol synthesis method used today, with the methane coming from natural gas. It could also use methane from biomass digestion. Both approaches need catalysts, but not the same catalysts. Hi Could you give details on the methane with steam process. A article, book or anything would be of great help. Thanks George Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol from biomass
What's your plan for the methanol, by the way? You want to make fuel ethanol, are you considering using methanol as a fuel? regards Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Osaka, Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Hello Keith As I understand it Methanol can be produced from CO and Hydrogen. This requires pressure beyond my abilities and a catalist that I assume would be expensive and hard to get. I'm not into destructive distillation. If methanol could be fermented then this would be a far simplier method. For uses it could be a fuel or most likely for producing biodiesel. The volume that I would be limited to producing would limit my methanol to biodiesel production only. I can't help but feel that the need for large volumes of biodiesel are in our future. If Bush can't do anything else he sure can piss off the Arabs. They as we all know have a very solid choke hold on us. The more of this kind of stuff I know the better. Would really love to do it myself! And saving a few dollars would just be gravey to me as well. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
