Re: [svg-developers] Re: Converting SVG to PDF
Hi Richard, http://jan.kollhof.net/projects/svg/svgpdf/index.xhtml You can embed svg into pdf aimed at the Acrobat reader...Maybe that would be easier for you? Ronan On Wednesday 02 January 2008 19:54:32 Richard Pearman wrote: Hi, I started this thread with the main objective of producing PDF versions of my SVG comics (which are rather complicated, with filters, interactivity, animation etc.) so I could put them on wowio. I have no interest in DFX but it may be a means to some end and I can't speak for other people. I didn't know you could save SVG files as PDF using Inkscape. The files I want to convert have features which Inkscape doesn't support (e.g. animation, JavaScript). I tried converting one of my comics and it looked better in the Adobe Reader than in Inkscape although the interactivity didn't work (therefore I couldn't test SMIL) and it didn't seem to be appliying external CSS styles. A lot of the Javascript is also in external files so this may be the problem rather than Inkscape or PDF not supporting it. Before I spend a lot of time experimenting, does anybody know if and how you can have filters, images, SMIL and Javascript in PDF converted by Inkscape. Is there some other cheap or free converter which will handle this better? Richard Pearman http://www.pixelpalaces.com/ The next stage in the evolution of web comics: http://www.onlinecomics.net/pages/details/listing.php?comicID=4415 --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Leonard Rosenthol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey John - Happy New Year, back at you! There are numerous products on the market that can convert SVG-PDF with full vector fidelity. I wrote the first one back around 1997, though it's no longer available. Today, you can certainly use Adobe Illustrator on the commercial side or free solutions such as Inkscape to perform the operation. If what you really want is DXF, then you can go direct from SVG-DXF with Illustrator as well or some other products on the market. Leonard - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger lailing list account http://www.roitsystems.com http://www.roasp.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] IE7 to FireFox
Hi Julie, A common problem in IEx - FFy is ecascript naming issues. Take a look at the ecmascript specification. http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-262.htm Also, take a look at your javascript error console in FF to identify your scripting bugs quickly (well, one at a time) Ronan On Sunday 07 October 2007 11:18, jgfa92004 wrote: Hi all, I have svg files that can be opened only with IE7. Is there a document that describe how to make a svg file compatible with the dom specifications. Thanks in advance. Julie - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger lailing list account http://www.roitsystems.com http://www.roasp.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Adobe SVG reload problem
On Monday 12 February 2007 18:42, nphasematt wrote: I upgraded my ASV to the beta 6 version, a Matt, ASV is a retiring product, and ASV6 will never be upgraded. Unless your application has a projected lifespan ending before 2009, I would shy away from ASV-only solution as from what I last heard it will be retired in 2008 and will not be available after that. You may want to ensure that your app is FF and Opera compliant. It is generally not difficult when you start early enough. Ronan -- Ronan Oger lailing list account http://www.roitsystems.com http://www.roasp.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Adobe SVG reload problem
There I go, spreading FUD. You're right, and I confirmed it on their EOL FAQ http://www.adobe.com/svg/pdfs/ASV_EOL_FAQ.pdf The lack of certification on Vista is interesting. Has anyone tried running SVG apps in IEx on Vista? Ronan On Monday 12 February 2007 22:37, Guy Morton wrote: ASV 3 will be *available* indefinitely. It won't be *supported* after Jan 2008. On 13/02/2007, at 5:57 AM, Ronan Oger wrote: On Monday 12 February 2007 18:42, nphasematt wrote: I upgraded my ASV to the beta 6 version, a Matt, ASV is a retiring product, and ASV6 will never be upgraded. Unless your application has a projected lifespan ending before 2009, I would shy away from ASV-only solution as from what I last heard it will be retired in 2008 and will not be available after that. You may want to ensure that your app is FF and Opera compliant. It is generally not difficult when you start early enough. Ronan -- Ronan Oger lailing list account http://www.roitsystems.com http://www.roasp.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger lailing list account http://www.roitsystems.com http://www.roasp.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Adobe SVG reload problem
This looks suspiciously like an intranet proxy, serverside, or browser-side cacheing problem. I would look there for the source of the problem first. However, that said, did you know that in IE with ASV, the svg content is actually loaded twice? For web apps where state is maintained serverside, such as partial updates based on changes on the server for games or multi-user systems, IE/ASV has problems with getting you the correct information. Ronan On Friday 09 February 2007 00:11, nphasematt wrote: I have an web application where an SVG map is embedded in the web page. The file loads fine the first few times the user navigates to the page (during the same session), but after loading an SVG image several times it appears the SVG images does not load completely. The SVG map itself is a large SVG file (almost 2 megs uncompressed). From the looks of it the Adobe SVG Plugin is not reading through all the data after multiple refreshes, as at first the image loses a lot of detail, and then if the user attempts to reload the page again then usually nothing appear (or they get even less detail). Is there something I need to do to unload the SVG file from memory before the page unloads? Is there a way to force the plugin to reload (because currently the user has to close the browser and open a new browser before SVG images will start appearing again). - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger lailing list account http://www.roitsystems.com http://www.roasp.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] help me
Try this: http://www.w3schools.com/svg/svg_examples.asp Also, download inkscape and play around with it, taking a look at what you can do with svg drawings. Any inkscape drawing saved as an svg is also an svg web page. On Sunday 11 February 2007 11:24, javad_pro2000 wrote: hi all. pleas help me for learning primary svg development for use in web site. thanks - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger lailing list account http://www.roitsystems.com http://www.roasp.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] SVG tiny Vs Basic
The most important difference is that SVG Tiny does not support scripting. Keep in mind that SVG1.1 is now Very Old specification, and the viewer builders are generally working towards SVGT1.2 (which does contain scripting) More info on SVGT 1.2 (August 2006) http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/ More information on SVGB and SVGT 1.1 (2003) http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile/ Cheers, Ronan On Friday 09 February 2007 09:52, Prem Dasari wrote: Hi, I would like to know the differences between SVG tiny 1.1 and SVG Basic 1.1. I am aware of the following facts that SVG Basic 1.1 supports - User Interactivity, -Filter Effects -Gradients -Color Profile -Scrripting support If u have anything more in u r mind then let me know Thanx in Advance Pred . http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=1298421/grpspId=1706030389/m sgId=58029/stime=1170678645/nc1=3848642/nc2=2/nc3=3 # THIS EMAIL MESSAGE IS FOR THE SOLE USE OF THE INTENDED RECIPIENT(S) AND MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVILEGED INFORMATION. ANY UNAUTHORIZED REVIEW, USE, DISCLOSURE OR DISTRIBUTION IS PROHIBITED.BEFORE OPENING ANY ATTACHMENTS PLEASE CHECK FOR VIRUSES AND DEFECTS.IF YOU ARE NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, PLEASE NOTIFY US IMMEDIATELY BY REPLY E-MAIL AND DELETE THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE. # [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger lailing list account http://www.roitsystems.com http://www.roasp.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Application for Drawing SSM Diagrams
your problem is not related to OS version, i have used batik producs in winxp without problems. batik comes in a zip file. unzip it in a directory, enter the directory on the command line, and type the following: java -jar batik-squiggle.jar If this works, your files are correctly installed. As far as getting a proprietary IDE to find the source files, all I can say is use eclipse, it works very well. If you insist on using the Netbans IDE, try reading the doc. Most likely you need to import the jar files in your CLASSPATH, or some proprietary equivalent. Good luck, and RTFM :-) Ronan On Sunday 28 January 2007 23:46, ext.paterson wrote: Good Evening, I'm a student in my 4th year at university and I have to do an honours project. I have chosen to make a SSM Drawing tool which will make use of SVG and the program is run by Java. Is it ok to ask you all for advice as i go along in my project, i'm not going to ask you to do it for me as it is something that i will have to do. I have recently downloaded Batik 1.6 to start my project, however i am having difficulties getting it to work. When i use the command prompt/console to unpack the files, it doesnt recognise the commands. Is the reason for this not working the fact that i use Windows XP home edition? Also I am having difficulties getting the modules to work will/be called by Netbeans 5.0 IDE. Could someone give me instructions how to get this working as I cant get further with regards to the programming aspect of my project. I am very grateful, Kind Regards, John Paterson - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger lailing list account http://www.roitsystems.com http://www.roasp.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Animation in Firefox
Doug Schepers has written a javascript library that lets SMIL animation run in browsers which do not support SMIL. http://www.vectoreal.com/smilscript/ It requires a code change in your SVG, and may not support all SMIL events. However, it does bridge some of the gap. Ronan On Friday 20 October 2006 17:40, Martin Honnen wrote: --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jerrold Maddox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any changes I can make in the code so that this animation will work in the current version of Firefox? http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/j/x/jxm22/animationcircle3.svg It has worked in earlier versions. The current (major) version of Firefox is 1.5 and that is the first version to natively support SVG at all. Firefox 1.5 does not support SMIL animations in SVG (e.g. the animate or animateColor elements you have) at all. You would need to script animations with setTimeout/setInterval and DOM scripting. Unless you used a plugin with earlier versions of Firefox I don't understand why you claim that animations worked. If you continue to use that plugin then the animations should work independent of the Firefox version. Firefox 1.5 by default has native SVG enabled thus if you want to disable that you need to set the property svg.enabled to false after loading about:config in a browser window. Firefox 2.0 will not support SMIL animations either with its native SVG implementation. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger lailing list account http://www.roitsystems.com http://www.roasp.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] SVG authoring - web based applications
That's too bad, it's a good example as long as ASV3 still floats around. Ronan On Monday 09 October 2006 00:26, Doug Schepers wrote: Hi, Ronan- How embarrassing! I didn't realize that there was still a copy of that on my site. It was one of the first things I wrote in SVG, 5 years ago or more, and it only works in ASV. To the extent that it does function, it is buggy and poorly written (although a neat idea to this day). It took me months to write, and would be a nightmare to fix or to support. My intent is to rewrite it from scratch One Of These Days, but in the meantime, I'm afraid I've had to shoot that horse. Ronan Oger wrote: There's Doug Schepers's example: http://www.svg-whiz.com/current/svg-whiz.html Regards- -Doug - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger lailing list account http://www.roitsystems.com http://www.roasp.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] SVG authoring - web based applications
There's Doug Schepers's example: http://www.svg-whiz.com/current/svg-whiz.html On Sunday 08 October 2006 09:36, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: SVG authoring - web based applications anyone know of a list or care to contribute examples? cheers Jonathan Chetwynd example: http://srufaculty.sru.edu/david.dailey/svg/polylineTest.html - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger lailing list account http://www.roitsystems.com http://www.roasp.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: new population pyramid = now firefox and opera-compliant
Antione is right, html wrappers are unnecessary. However, they do offer better visibility as a page when searching on google. Google treats svg as images and html as documents with context. if you want your svg page indexed in google and searchable with normal search (rather than as an image) then embedding it in an html page helps. However, it would be more elegant to make an xhtml document with inline svg than make an html document with embedded svg. Also, it would be just as nice to have an html lead-in page pointing to the svg document on a link. Ronan On Wednesday 27 September 2006 12:26, Antoine Quint wrote: On 27 sept. 2006, at 12:16, krugerboy1971 wrote: A point raised by Antoine is worth another question - should I still be putting SVG in HTML wrappers? I seem to remember that I started doing it after Andreas pointed out to me that browsers like Safari with ASV wouldn't work without it - but as Antoine now points out, it now may confuse things like Opera... As far as I know, and I may be wrong, you really don't need an HTML wrapper if your document is pure SVG, so long as you deliver it with the right mime-type image/svg+xml. Antoine -- Ronan Oger lailing list account http://www.roitsystems.com http://www.roasp.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: ASV 3.03 as ActiveX UserControl possible
Stefan, How are you delivering the ASV plugin to users? I thought their license specifically forbade this. Or are you getting them to install it first, and then use the plugin through activeX? Ronan On Tuesday 26 September 2006 18:41, mmaker21 wrote: I got no response (or found a dead mailbox) but we created a solution in our project by implementing a new ActiveX control in C++ that wraps the ASV and implements all the required interfaces. Using this new ActiveX in the .NET UserControl control instead of using the ASV directly all problems disappeared. Mission accomplished to get rid of IE as a host. Regards Stefan --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Francis Hemsher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Stefan, I think you should contact Jon Frost. He is both SVG and .NET savvy. Regards, Francis --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, mmaker21 mmaker21@ wrote: Hi, during the last few months I built a .NET UserControl for a (big) customer, that extends ASV3.02 with scrollbars, hi-res printing, DOM access and much more. Now my customer tells me, that we must use ASV 3.03. This requires that the host (.NET AxHost) of the ActiveX control must implement the IHtmlDocument2 interface. We can't use IE as the host. So I wonder if there is some genius in this world, who succeeded using the ASV 3.03 as an ActveX control on a Windows.Form in .NET. (hosted by AxHost and NOT by IE!). I would be very lucky to hear something positive, perhaps only pointing me in the right direction, even if it was a partial solution or in another programming language. Thanks and best wishes from Germany Stefan (mmaker21@) - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger lailing list account http://www.roitsystems.com http://www.roasp.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Newbie query - Doc displays when dragged into browser but not via apache
Hi there, I cut and pasted your code and it worked for me in FF1.5 and O9.02... http://www.hackmare.com/2006/09/22/01.html Is your php generating some headers in the dynamic svg? maybe take a look at what is really going on in your php... ps my apache configuration is out of the box. Ronan On Friday 22 September 2006 17:40, jefferiespa1 wrote: I have a document which embeds an SVG file that displays fine in Mozilla or IE when dragged into a browser but displays the following message in Mozilla through my apache server (IE is OK) XML Parsing Error: prefix not bound to a namespace A quick bit of background. The aim is to create SVG symbols on the fly (in PHP) to layer over a jpg. So the svg needs to be transparent, hence the embed bit as it was a way of making transparency work. I have put example code below and example SVG content. I'm presuming this is an apache/standards thing but can't work it out. Any ideas greatly appreciated plus if there is a better way of achieving transparency. TIA EXAMPLE CODE !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC '-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN' 'http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd' html xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml' xml:lang='en' head titleMap/title link href=emt2.css rel=stylesheet type=text/css / meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=us-ascii / /head body div class=headerTest Map - Level 3 /div div class=maparea div class=map embed class=svggraphic src=mapitems.svg wmode=transparent height=560 width=560 style=position:absolute; div class=buttonrow div class=mapsegmenta href=2_2_2.htmimg alt =example text class=mapimage src=Maps/3_1_1.jpg border=0/a /div /div /div /div div class=footer/div /body /html EXAMPLE SVG CONTENT svg xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; xmlns:xlink=http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink; xmlns:ev=http://www.w3.org/2001/xml-events; a id=test1 xlink:href=http://www.google.com;circle cx=100 cy=100 r=5 fill=red//a a id=test2 xlink:href=http://www.google.com;circle cx=200 cy=200 r=5 fill=red//a a id=test3 xlink:href=http://www.google.com;circle cx=300 cy=300 r=5 fill=red//a a id=test4 xlink:href=http://www.google.com;circle cx=400 cy=400 r=5 fill=red//a /svg - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger lailing list account http://www.roitsystems.com http://www.roasp.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Performance tips
Revelon, Optimisation is often browser-specific, beyond the tried and true methods such as the good ones which Phi Tran offered. Have you considered looking at whether it is your svg code or your scripting which is eating CPU cycles? Complex javascript is resource consuming if there are no breaks in the code that give other processes a chance to go. For games which often work with infinite loops, it is possible that you might be consuming all the cpu resources simply because you tell your javascript to. For Moz-specific performance questions, you might consider asking on the irc channel svg on irc.mozilla.org. alternatively, there is the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list that has members with the expertise you require. On Thursday 21 September 2006 16:43, revelonshift wrote: After implementing all three optimize attributes to root element and removing of the only one one element with opacity (circle-sun) I could still easily during movement reach 100% of CPU load :-( --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Phi Tran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More tips. - Only use Semi-transparent or Semi-opacity when it is in real need. A pixel is processed multiple times faster if it not Semi-opacity.(this is one of the big time consuming work horse). - One more tip that you should have in mind in creating the composition of your SVG file/layer. If your pixel need to be in anti-alias you are forcing the player to calculate and paint extra pixels (maybe 10- 15. . .) Hope it helps Phi On 9/21/06, Phi Tran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my experience I use this scheme and it helps. I use multiple layers specially those that serve as the background. Then I only redraw the layer that need to change. In this case I do not force the player to scan/redraw the whole SVG. Note: Every time updating the player does not know which and which. A pixel may be drawn multiple times of background and in order to come to the final foreground colors You want to avoid that... The drawback of this scheme is: - You may have to maintain multiple SVGs. - More SVG external javascript coding. There is only few style and attributes items that actually affect the drawing but I have scanned thru thousands of SVG files. Many of them (99% plus) have lengthy attribute and lengthy style. It does nothing but only wasting the CPU time. Remember: the player need to maintain all of them cascadingly (you also want to avoid that too) Hope it helps. Phi. On 9/21/06, Sylvain Rouillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: revelonshift a écrit : No CSS usage in my game. Some other tips please? avoid transparency like the plague. __ Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. http://fr.answers.yahoo.com -- Phi - Tran Hugely increase your speed, saving your band-width with ZipProtocol plus crystal clear SVG Rendering image at HTTP://oneplusplus.com -- Phi - Tran Hugely increase your speed, saving your band-width with ZipProtocol plus crystal clear SVG Rendering image at HTTP://oneplusplus.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Ronan Oger lailing list account http://www.roitsystems.com http://www.roasp.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Performance tips
Ouch. Good to know. Thanks, Jim. On Thursday 21 September 2006 18:27, Jim Ley wrote: The biggest Mozilla speed improvement in scripting will be to not use getElementById() but to cache every single reference in a seperate variable of your own. currently mozilla re-looks up every node in the DOM for XML documents, and it's very, very slow. -- Ronan Oger lailing list account http://www.roitsystems.com http://www.roasp.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Fwd: Re: Simulate Ctrl Alt Key Press to Zoom and Pan
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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Free (or inexpensive) SVG Editors
Alastair, 1) I answered your question 2) You did not answer my question as an interested party 3) You resent my stated concern on another list that as an employee of an engineering services company I feel that you are unqualified to offer to organise a global SVG conference unless your employer backs the conference. As I repeated to you to exhaustion, this is due to the risk that your employer - who owns your schedule - has different priorities than you do. They may therefore have a need to reassign you in a manner that will cause the conference to once again be cancelled. As I have also said to exhaustion, this point is for Andreas Neumann only to consider. I am sorry that you take this as a sign of persecution. I have never worked for your employer, and have never been presecuted by them. Back to the relevant point... Please stick to the matter at hand and answer my questions. You are asking for something for free, the least you can do is give an idea to potential volunteers who is asking for this favour. The questions I asked are reasonable and in good faith. If you chose not to answer them, I will chose not to help you get the information. Ronan On Tuesday 19 September 2006 16:34, Alastair Fettes wrote: Ronan, I asked for names of software such that I may evaluate them. That's it. Evaluation includes fit for use, cost, license restrictions, etc etc. Please stop jumping to conclusions with every email I send. Just because you have personal issues with my employer over their supposed treatment of YOU does not mean you need to attempt to put ME on the hot seat at every opportunity. I will however be a bit more specific: Windows XP. WYSIWYG editor. Non-experts. Non-web based - must be client side application. Access to the internet is not guaranteed. Sincerely, Alastair Fettes --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Alastair, There are a number of open-source svg editors like inkscape that you can package into your distribution. Those products are truly free. For cheap editors, there is Sketsa for $US49/seat - that's almost free for enterprises. http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Multimedia_and_Graphics/Graphics_Editors /Sketsa_SVG_Graphics_Editor.html Maybe you can convince Kiyut to give you a bulk license deal. http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Authors/Kiyut.html As for almost everything else, there are some parameters you kind of need to specify in order to help us solution providers decide whether we want to provide nearly-free products to an enterprise client. As you know, even svg developers need to put food on the table. It might be helpful of you could expand on the following questions that I am sure every interested party would like to ask: 1) how many seats? By almost free, do you mean 10,000 licenses for $5/license or 50 licenses for $1000/license? Or do you really mean unlimited licenses for a few bucks and a pat on the back? if the latter, what kind of pat? Generally, unlimited-copy wite-label licenses are VERY EXPENSIVE. 2) what is the target OS? or are you thinking of a web app? if so, what serverside parameters? Enterprise Java grade with Oracle, or php/mysql? any taboo bits? What version of SVG viewer do you need to support? 3) what sort of final user are you thinking of, and are you *selling* this or giving it away? If you are giving it away, are you white-labeling it or giving away a product clearly marked as someone else's? 4) Are you representing an enterprise or a struggling start-up? Is the final user an enterprise, a government, or an institution? Will profit be derived by the use of this tool? 5) How does the provider of this almost free software recover their cost and put bread on the table? Advertising at the client side? click-through url on the product? 6) Are you asking for *unlimited* distribution rights? Is that within the intended product, and only for that particular distribution, or forever, for any product sold by your employer? 7) Who gets to do client-requested upgrades? Are those done at commercial rates? 8) Who pays for bug fixes? 9) Who is we? 10) When are you looking for this for? 11) What features are you looking for? svg editor is a very big field. are you looking for a drawing editor for simple primitives to handle static sprites or for a full-featured editor solution that can handle namespaces, SMIL, scripting, etc? Cheers, Ronan On Monday 18 September 2006 18:58, Alastair Fettes wrote: Does anyone have a list of easy to use wysiwyg SVG editors? We're looking for a free (or *very* cheap to distribute) application that we can package with our software distribution. If not free, then something we can just pay a set fee to package rather than a per-seat license. Cheers
[svg-developers] Replace ASV with CSV
With the furore over the demise of ASV, people seem to have forgotten that there is already another SVG viewer plugin for IE: Corel SVG Viewer is freely downloadable. It has limitations and was stifled by Adobe, but is actually a well-rounded viewer that does everything ASV did except SMIL (like everyone else). So instead of some of us prematurely jumping off tall buildings, you might consider that there is an alternative. http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/windows-all.html#CorelSVG - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Free (or inexpensive) SVG Editors
Hi Alastair, There are a number of open-source svg editors like inkscape that you can package into your distribution. Those products are truly free. For cheap editors, there is Sketsa for $US49/seat - that's almost free for enterprises. http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Multimedia_and_Graphics/Graphics_Editors/Sketsa_SVG_Graphics_Editor.html Maybe you can convince Kiyut to give you a bulk license deal. http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Authors/Kiyut.html As for almost everything else, there are some parameters you kind of need to specify in order to help us solution providers decide whether we want to provide nearly-free products to an enterprise client. As you know, even svg developers need to put food on the table. It might be helpful of you could expand on the following questions that I am sure every interested party would like to ask: 1) how many seats? By almost free, do you mean 10,000 licenses for $5/license or 50 licenses for $1000/license? Or do you really mean unlimited licenses for a few bucks and a pat on the back? if the latter, what kind of pat? Generally, unlimited-copy wite-label licenses are VERY EXPENSIVE. 2) what is the target OS? or are you thinking of a web app? if so, what serverside parameters? Enterprise Java grade with Oracle, or php/mysql? any taboo bits? What version of SVG viewer do you need to support? 3) what sort of final user are you thinking of, and are you *selling* this or giving it away? If you are giving it away, are you white-labeling it or giving away a product clearly marked as someone else's? 4) Are you representing an enterprise or a struggling start-up? Is the final user an enterprise, a government, or an institution? Will profit be derived by the use of this tool? 5) How does the provider of this almost free software recover their cost and put bread on the table? Advertising at the client side? click-through url on the product? 6) Are you asking for *unlimited* distribution rights? Is that within the intended product, and only for that particular distribution, or forever, for any product sold by your employer? 7) Who gets to do client-requested upgrades? Are those done at commercial rates? 8) Who pays for bug fixes? 9) Who is we? 10) When are you looking for this for? 11) What features are you looking for? svg editor is a very big field. are you looking for a drawing editor for simple primitives to handle static sprites or for a full-featured editor solution that can handle namespaces, SMIL, scripting, etc? Cheers, Ronan On Monday 18 September 2006 18:58, Alastair Fettes wrote: Does anyone have a list of easy to use wysiwyg SVG editors? We're looking for a free (or *very* cheap to distribute) application that we can package with our software distribution. If not free, then something we can just pay a set fee to package rather than a per-seat license. Cheers, Alastair Fettes - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] COALITION - (WAS: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer)
On Sunday 17 September 2006 23:29, domenico_strazzullo wrote: WARNING, I'm going to do my Savonarola bit. What, this bit? On May 23, 1498, this extraordinary man and two Dominican disciples were hanged and burned, still professing their adherence to the Church. http://www.historyguide.org/intellect/savonarola.html Mind you, if everyone were to make ASV3.0.3 available through peer-to-peer and web download facilities, then there would be nobody to hang and burn. Ronan -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: populate a carto.net selectionList
and the
function updateNumbers2 to see how I set the new values.
you can query a new array from the database on the server using a
network request (XMLHttpRequest and getURL).
The same also works for comboboxes: see http://www.carto.
http://www.carto. http://www.carto.net/williams/ net/williams/
net/williams/
yosemite/, go to the Search tab and enter something in the texbox.
As you type the values in the combobox are populated with the results
of a database query.
Hope this helps,
Andreas
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pascal.benoist pascal.benoist11@ wrote:
Hello,
I just developpe a little query builder for my svg application and
i
use SelectionLists from carto.net
I would like to populate automatically a selectionList from the
choice made in a preceding selectionList.
First, I create 2 selectionLists (selectionList1 and
selectionList2)
The first one is populated directly at the creation.
The second one is first populated with a empty array.
I choose a value in SelectionList1
Then , I run a PHP script with this parameter, request my DB (I
request :
DESCRIBE MyTable ) with MyTable the item selected in
selectionList1 Then, I would like to automatically populate
selectionList2 with the values return from the request (those
values
are the Fields of MyTable)
Would you have any tutorial that explain that?
Secondly, I cannot understand why the above Javascript code does
not
work :
function updateSelectionList
selectionListName,selectedIndex,selectedValue)
{
// reinitialisation de selectionListDynLayer
position = 0;
while
(selectionListDynLayer.selectElementByPosition(position,false)) {
MyAlert(deleting element position + position
+ : + selectionListDynLayer.getCurrentSelectionElement());
selectionListDynLayer.deleteElement
(selectionListDynLayer.getCurrentSelectio
nElement());
position++;
}
MyAlert(selected : + selectedValue);
selectionListArray = new
Array(getSelectionListArray(selectedValue));
MyAlert(selectionListArray : + selectionListArray);
for (i=0;iselectionListArray.length;i++) {
selectionListDynLayer.addElementAtPosition(selectionListArray
[i],i);
}
}
function getSelectionListArray(MyTable) {
PHPFileName = ../files/getSelectionListArray.php?MyTable=
+ MyTable;
getDataObjSelectionListArray.url=PHPFileName;
getDataObjSelectionListArray.getData();
}
function callbackSelectionListArray(theNode) {
MyAlert(callback: + printNode(theNode));
return theNode; // not sure it is a good idea ...
}
Thanks
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Re: [svg-developers] microsoft jscript runtime error javascript object null
Why dont you get him to also load FF and turn on the ecmascript debugger?, so you can see if you can catch the cause of the problem. Could it be something silly like you have multiple js source files and for some reason he is not getting one of them (serverside security for example, or your version is cached)? On Tuesday 12 September 2006 18:53, Sean wrote: My buddy's IE/ASV browser has been given me headaches, especially since he is 2,000 miles away. Solving one problem leads to another. My app works fine on my home pc, laptop, and workstation at work, but his is nothing but headaches. He has the same version of IE, ASV, and XP service pack 2. I checked his security, but don't see anything different. Currently, the onload event gives him Microsoft JScript runtime error: 'svgMaster is null or not an object. The object in question is the SVG doc itself, which I define as a global variable, and use it in two functions, one of which is an onload event.. I tried defining it in the functions themselves, but that seemed not to help. I can't recreate the problem on my end, so to me it seems like an issue with his browser. Any ideas would be most appreciated. Thanks! Sean - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] microsoft jscript runtime error javascript object null
Sean, I have never seen machine-specific errors. As André suggested in his previous email, you may be suffering from some cache effects with a cacheing proxy between your friend and the other your server. Ronan On Tuesday 12 September 2006 20:37, Sean wrote: Hi Andre, I had him try Start-Run-'cleanmgr' and I renamed the file, neither of which worked. I eliminated the global nature of the variables, and he now just gets Microsoft JScript runtime error: Object expected. Very non-descript. My errors, when they occur, name the variable and the line/column it occurs on, and the error popup looks different, mine has a large red X on it and his does not. He has the latest version of ASV, but that shouldn't matter, the app runs ok on the older version 3s. I'm leaning towards that problem is unique to his computer, but I'm not ready to make that assumption. Thanks! Sean Andre M. Winter - Carto.net wrote: hi, there may also be proxies involved. the hardcore-test is renaming (or copying) your main file. when clearing the IE-cache, you also need to call clear the viewed page before (e.g. call about:blank). another possibility is an old ASV-version. andre -- __ andre m. winter, cartography for internet and multimedia applications schiessstand 4/1, a6091 goetzens, tyrol, austria tel.: ++43.5234.32732 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:ml.winter%40carto.net new svg book with actual scripting samples out now! check http://svg.carto.net/ http://svg.carto.net/ Sean wrote: I'll look into the caching, but I've had him delete all his temp files multiple times. My app won't run in FF, which I'd like to rewrite it to, but, as has been discussed a lot lately, FF is to slow. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
Actually, there are a number of options at this point. For one thing, the existence of a free browser plugin from Adobe, which hoped to bring in revenues from serverside sales, made it difficult for competitors to offer alternative browser plugins. For example, there are a number of svgt1.2 viewers out there, any one of which could be turned into a low-cost svg plugin into IE if the vendors find an alluring business case. However, the appearance that MS are working on an svg solution for IE8 means that any vendor thinking of going with a plugin for their viewer has a limited window of opportunity. It is far too early in the development of the demise of ASV to assume the worst-case scenarios. They have created a vacuum for IE, and either someone will fill it or IE users who want SVG will move to another platform. After all, IE now has less than 80% of the platform worldwide, and in Europe that number is far, far lower. When IE is missing a feature, that is no longer the feature's demise, and is more yet another drop in user base for IE (hence their working on an svg solution). On Saturday 09 September 2006 10:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I spose we are now in the hands of http://www.gosvg.net/ From: Jon Ferraiolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 15:30:16 -0700 As of when??!?!?!!? What happened??? Leonard -- Hi Leonard (and the other 7455 people on this list), I changed jobs in May, leaving Adobe to join IBM's Emerging Technologies group to help with OpenAjax. I left Adobe for IBM because this OpenAjax opportunity was just too attractive, even though my previous assignments at Adobe were also interesting and fun. (OK. I'll come clean. The REAL reason was I felt hugely embarrassed about living in Silicon Valley and not changing jobs in 13 years.) Here are some URLs on OpenAjax: http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/19187.wss - OpenAjax launched with 15 original members http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/19623.wss - OpenAjax gains 13 additional members http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/05/22/78577_HNajaxforge_1.html - Press report on first OpenAjax Alliance meeting http://ajax.sys-con.com/read/233247.htm - About me taking the reins There will be a lot more information about OpenAjax in the coming weeks. In particular, we are about to unveil our web site, a white paper, outline definition of the OpenAjax Hub (and associated open source project), announcements of new members, and have our second face-to-face meeting. Very cool stuff. Maybe not as cool as SVG or next-generation PDF, but cool nonetheless, and as I have mentioned in previous emails, SVG is becoming a component technology of Ajax. (And I can now hang my head high again in Silicon Valley due to having job-hopped recently.) Jon Jon Ferraiolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Architect, Emerging Technologies IBM, Menlo Park, CA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _ Windows Live� Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
There are rumours that IE8 will have native svg support. The rumour says that IE7 won't have it because it was too difficult and too late support it, but that a decision was made to support svg in IE8. This makes sense given that IE is slipping in rankings behind other implementations that do support SVG, and it is hard to regain/stop-loss when your competitors offer more than you do. Something to keep in mind is that a technology which supports XAML will easily supports svg, since the there is a huge overlap in functionality only the slightest element name changes. Then again, rumours are just that. Maybe IE staff would care to comment on this rumour Ronan On Wednesday 06 September 2006 09:26, nyem wrote: I cannot find the announcement at adobe's website. Care to direct me to the right URL? So what's the alternative SVG viewer for IE? Can somebody make Opera as an IE plugin? Paton J. Lewis wrote: For more information on this decision and answers to questions about the discontinuation of Adobe SVG Viewer, please see http://www.adobe.com/svg - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] generating two documents from a single xsl
Are you able to process two xslts in your application, or to process your xslt twice? This way, you can generate the html page that contains a url which induces a call to the svg page generator... A more elegant way to do this would be xhtml with inline svg. FF and Opera 9+ support this. However, centuries-old IE/ASV do not support this. Ronan On Tuesday 05 September 2006 14:14, Stéphane ANCELOT wrote: Hi, I would like to generate an html page that drives a corresponding svg view the html and svg pages are generated from xml data and an xsl . howto do this from a single xml file ? Best Regards Steph - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Logo Contest: personal preferences sought
Jonathan... Piggybacking on Doug's response. Doug is on the *SVG* workgroup, and as he says, he is organising an *SVG* contest. If a w3 (or other) workgroup wishes to provide best practices for accessibility that can be applied to SVG, then I am sure that Doug's contest will consider supporting this. However, there is no point in arguing this point to death on this group. It's simply not the right context to beat this to death in. We can't all be experts in all things. Why don't you put your point forward to WAI? Maybe it's worth putting them over a barrel more than it is worth sticking it to Doug. SVG is nothing more than the rendering layer for peoples' applications after all, and we will never be able to display to many people (like those without PCs for example). Somehow, I don't imagine WAI or anyone else proposing any panaceas. The general thing i see so far seems to be descriptions and metadata. Ronan On Tuesday 05 September 2006 16:15, Doug Schepers wrote: Hi, Jonathan- Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: I'm really concerned about your claims to understand accessibility and intentions to update the 2000 SVG guidelines. I never claimed to understand every issue involving accessibility, nor do I think you or any one person does either. This is why I will be working with Chaals and the WAI IG to try to reach the broadest possible set of accessibility needs. the logo will be distinctive, simple, and elegant. the image http://www.w3.org/Graphics/ -- is unlikely to be described in these terms But my description does fit an ideal format for an iconic logo, which is meant to do 2 things: 1) serve as an indicator of necessary browser functionality; 2) help establish a brand identity for SVG. I'm sorry that this logo contest does not serve your agenda. May I suggest that you consider running a contest of your own, which emphasizes the qualities in SVG art that you are looking for? since this is intended for print and rasterization as well as SVG- format viewing, the logo will not have sound providing sound has nothing to do with whether the logo will be printed, obviously there is no expectation that the printed logo will sound. afaik providing sound for SVG1.2 has no known downside for other technologies. Most people would find an audio component annoying, and would not use it on their site. If you want to submit a suitable sound clip, however, I will consider adding it to logo site as an optional addition. nor will there be interactivity nor focus Why not? if the logo is used as a link it should provide visual feedback when in focus, or at least the place it is embedded in should. This was the purpose of hover and border in html. It's extremely annoying that you clipped off the part of my reply that deals directly with your concern, then accused me of not addressing it: (or rather, the default initial focus will be on the root). I invite you to read the SVGT1.2 spec and disabuse yourself of the notion that there is no indicator of focus. [1] The best way to achieve accessibility for a logo such as this is to have a text fallback, sorry this is just plain wrong, text is but one approach, which happens to suit a vocal and able minority. This is too vague to supply any criteria for accessibility, beyond your vocal complaints. text is also an accessibility bonus. not as a fallback, but as a visible label. Very few people have access to a screen reader, let alone one that works with any sort of SVG, they tend to be very expensive. There will be a visible text component as well, which you would know if you read the svglogo.com Web site. However, because Firefox does not yet implement SVG Fonts, some of the letters may just be graphics... and that is what the text fallback is for. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/interact.html#specifyingfocushighlight Regards- -Doug - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Logo Contest: personal preferences sought
Jonathan, Thanks for the information. On Tuesday 05 September 2006 17:35, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: Ronan, you may or may not know that together with Lisa Seeman a formal objection was raised to WCAG2 in respect of the needs of people with learning disabilities**. It is disingenuous in the extreme to suggest that I should work through WAI. The reason I left WAI was their absolute obsession with HTML, and their disinterest in other technologies (I wrote the original accessible client-side scripting guidelines but js isn't a w3 technology - yawn) Sorry, I did not know you had already closed that avenue. I'm not aware of every group's coming and going. WAI is a member-controlled group, and the technologies it addresses represent the interests of contributors. Maybe their disinterest in your point is telling about the usefulness of SVG in the web context beyond the image space, or about the relative difficulty of addressing the problem. The protocols and format working group supposedly would contribute to SVG accessibility understanding and documentation. however they have nothing to show. I had offered to join, and this is still awaiting approval many years later... Maybe you should join the w3c and force your way into it. That seems to be the traditional way to get a special interest in the w3c. I thus chose to work directly with UA developers and other w3 working groups such as SVG, RDF etc... By all means contact WAI and seek direction, but don't think that suggesting that I should, excuses the SVG WG from taking such action themselves. It is not sufficient to rely on the text of individual specs which are deficient in themselves. Well, actually, I find that the accesibility question is out of scope in svg beyond allowing hooks into whatever accesibility the players offer. Until this is addressed, I am not very concerned. As well, I am not really seeing svg as a mainstream replacement for html. Generally, the mood in the web is drifting towards microformats and simplification rather than Yet Another Huge W3C Specification. Given your interest, Maybe you can come up with an accesibility solution that is fun and palatable... Beyond that, you have to start somewhere, and that descriptions and metadata seems to be as good a place as any to me. Doug for instance chooses which parts of 1.2 will be acceptable. Well that's perfect, no? Let him make his choice, and then we go from there. What research says Most people would find an audio component annoying, The research that says that audio components are huge and will double or triple the size of the original work. Furthermore, we all know that audio is language specific, so is useless unless you happen to speak the language (or worse, you carry every language...). Audio is clearly a very successful function of flash. evidently macromedia don't concur, and it seems neither do adobe. Audio is relevant in certain aspects, true. However, it is not a required functionality everywhere. An SVG icon is NOT an application. If true why is there no requirement for a UA option to turn it off? Mozilla appear to be using this as a rationale for not implementing what There is a requirement to turn off sound in every computer. it's the volume control. The reason this requirement is not in the UA is that it is out of scope. I fail to understand why you are pushing for the most obtuse possible soution to accesibility, rather than to offer a universal solution: bind to the accesibility capabilities of the players. My browser konqueror, for example, provides numerous accesibility capabilites at the player level, removing any need for this capability at the content level. It automatically discerns every ui-capable component and generates a text key shortcut on it on demand. There, I see something useful, unlike a requirement for an aural cue, a smellogram, or a mood generator. Ronan - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
Well, that settles it. at least it's official after all this time. It's just a shame they did not announce this 2 years ago. On Tuesday 05 September 2006 20:37, Paton J. Lewis wrote: Adobe has decided to discontinue support for Adobe SVG Viewer. There are a number of other third-party SVG viewer implementations in the marketplace, including native support for SVG in many Web browsers. The SVG language and its adoption in the marketplace have both matured to the point where it is no longer necessary for Adobe to provide an SVG viewer. SVG is an established vector image format. Adobe currently supports SVG in several of its authoring and server products, including Illustrator, InDesign, GoLive, Version Cue, Graphics Server, FrameMaker, and FrameMaker Server. Adobe customer support for Adobe SVG Viewer will be discontinued on January 1, 2007. For more information on this decision and answers to questions about the discontinuation of Adobe SVG Viewer, please see http://www.adobe.com/svg - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] rect with text incide
Hi, Just adding to Dave's answer: Starting with SVG1.1 and implmented fully in SVG1.2, there is the concept of textboxes. However, SVG1.0 does not support this. Here is the SVG1.2 TR section addressing text flow: http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-SVG12-20041027/flow.html There are a myriad of examples on the internet of the textbox problem. Gerally there are two approaches to the problem: 1) Render serverside and adjust font to fit space, then publish to the client. This requires a canvas-aware serverside processor such as Batik 2) Send to the client with javascript like David does. This requires script-aware browsers and requires clientside resources. Googling: http://www.google.com/search?client=operarls=enq=svg+text+flowsourceid=opera Ronan On Wednesday 30 August 2006 01:09, ddailey wrote: I think there are those on this list who can readily retrieve nice examples of doing this, but let me start with one strategic approach (which may not be optimal in all contexts). I think what I've got here works in IE/ASV, Firefox and Opera. Use JavaScript rather than vanilla SVG. I don't think it can be done without scripting (though I'd love to find I'm wrong). 1. Render the text, but somewhere off-screen text x=-1000 id=Q... or something 2. find the size of its bounding box: SVGDocument.getElementById(Q).getBBox (Take a peek at http://srufaculty.sru.edu/david.dailey/svg/newstuff/text2.svg where this is done, though with a bit of extra nonsense which you will have to ignore judiciously) 3. Adjust either the font-size or the size of the rect to make them both happy. hope this helps, David - Original Message - From: Nazar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 11:00 AM Subject: [svg-developers] rect with text incide Hello I need to display text which is contained incide a rect. How is it possible using dom.createTextElement make text wrap to occupy rect object space and not cross boundaries? - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] DXF to SVG conversion
From the look of it, the DXF file is being converted into paper space rather than into drawing space, and the scaling is in screen coord rather than in drawing coordinates. Maybe there is an option in the converter to keep the drawings in engineering units...? Of course, if you do find a solution, the problem then will be that the origin will be in the wrong place since DXF places the origin in a different place than SVG does. Ronan On Thursday 24 August 2006 10:36, Chris Lilley wrote: On Wednesday, August 23, 2006, 9:01:57 AM, bblcld wrote: b I try to evaluate a DXF2SVG converter but I found a problem. I need b to convert DXF files in SVG format mantaining dimensions. If in DXF b format I have 100mm diameter circle with 0,0 center coordinates b position, I would like to have an SVG draw with the same b situation.This because, after ina 2nd phase of process, I have to b merge 2 or 3 SVG files and they must preserve reciprocal position b and dimension. All converters seems to scale every dxf draw to b fill all the pixmap fixed (ie 800x600).Where is the real poblem? Sounds like the converter is doing a bad job. Which ones did you test? -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: sudden JS errors (???)
Samuel, Although you are correct and it is ASV which handles the SVG in IE, JScript is run from IE. With ASV, unless specifying to use ASV's JScript engine, IE's JScript engine is used. This means that an IE upgrade in their JScript functionality can affect ASV. Ronan On Thursday 10 August 2006 18:58, Samuel Dagan wrote: Hi Stian, Please explain! IE does not support SVG. ASV does. Cheers, Samy --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, skrellkolja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Has IE come with some relevant updates lately. I suddenly get loads of JavaScript errors in my SVG apps. On printNode i get Object expected and it seems like mouseevents are causing errors. What is even more frustrating is that suddenly IE has stopped telling what type of error that occurs and on what line. I just get prompt with Object doesn't support this porperty or method or simliar. Need help! Thanks! :) Stian - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Perl daemon -svg webpage
Take a look at POE. It handles this out of the box. Ronan On Wednesday 14 June 2006 13:52, G. Wade Johnson wrote: On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:39:40 +0100 (BST) shiji varghese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to build a perl program which will run like a daemon , where in it will pull up an svg webpage and then watch for events triggered in the svg webpage. The perl program will should act like a back end server to the front end svg webpage on the same machine.The interaction between them should be similar to an interprocess communication. I know CGI is a concept very similar to what i want to do.Any ideas as to how my perl server daemon can receive function calls from the events recognised in the svg webpage.(For Eg. The svg webpage will have button , which when clicked should sent the signal to the backend perl daemon for it to process and sent a response back to the svg webpage ) Any ideas .. How about: * http://wiki.svg.org/XMLHttpRequest * http://wiki.svg.org/GetURL * http://wiki.svg.org/PostURL G. Wade G. Wade Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:27:27 -varghen_shiji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I want to develop a Perl server program ,which will put up an svg webpage, and keep running in the background.Each time an event is recognised on the webpage , it should be handled by the Perl server program. The front end will be a svg webpage and the backend will be a perl program (which will be running always watching for event handle calls from the svg webpage) How do i make the perl to run continuosly watching for calls to the events recognised in the front end svg webpage. Hope you have understood my query.The perl will be a server and the svg webpage my client. Please do guide me on this. Shiji This is not an SVG question and you could get a more in-depth answer from a Perl mailing list. off-topic However, to get you started, there are several alternatives you could explore. The simplest would be the HTTP::Daemon module which sets up a very small webserver with only a small amount of code. If you are planning on having any real traffic at all (more than one user, etc.) you might consider using mod_perl or CGI scripts on top of Apache. You can get more information through The Perl Monastery at www.perlmonks.org. /off-topic G. Wade -- To vacillate or not to vacillate, that is the question ... or is it? Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com Stay connected with your friends even when away from PC. Link: http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/messenger/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Sending data to server
Chris, SVG document do not need to be embedded in an html document in order for getURL(IE,Batik)/xmlhttprequest(Everyone else) to work. Here is an example of getURL and xmlhttprequest: http://roitsystems.com/SVG-Widgets/samples/SiemensClock.svg All the best, Ronan On Tuesday 06 June 2006 12:38, chmavrog wrote: Hi everyone, if i want to send the dynamically created elements inside a g element,using postURL-getURL (IE6ASV3) and XMLHtTPRequest (FF) does my svg main page have to be embed in an HTML page? or it can be used as a standalone (e.g http://localhost/UMLDesigner.svg) In that case can i use the above objects? Thanks, Chris - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Doubt
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Re: [svg-developers] SVG Protocol for FIreFox and IE 4,5,6,7
Hi Phi, I tried to follow your instructions, but got the following complaint from FF: access denied This occured after it attempted to load the file (which is user-readable). I suspect that there is a security issue with platform: SuSE Linux 10.0, KDE, FF1.5 Ronan On Wednesday 31 May 2006 22:25, Phi Tran wrote: http://oneplusplus.com/download/svgprotocol.ZIP -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Omission in the SVG specification ?
Pardon me for butting in, but have you tried to render serverside using Batik, gtk2, or librsvg? Admittedly, text bounding boxes are a thorny problem with serverside generation. My own Perl SVG library totally ignores the canvas and leaves it to the implementer to use their own canvas-model-providing solution serverside. Batik has a canvas model, and therefore I believe that it can return bounding box information within the application being used to build the content serverside. Hence, you should be able to render the image serverside as needed to determine the image bounding box, and then work with this. Presumably, any library with an internal canvas model should do the trick SVG is xml, which is clear text. You can therefore create SVG in any text generator, whether or not it has a concept of text geometry. It is not up to the SVG recommendation to tell vi, notepad, or kedit (or any other editor you choose) what it should do with the XML text you generate. The same thing goes for serverside SVG generators. After all, this is exactly the same problem as with server-side html generation. Also, have you considered using svg1.1 or svg1.2? Both support textboxes to an extent, and may solve some of your problem. Best of luck. Ronan On Sunday 28 May 2006 21:30, Johan Persson wrote: Hi, Well, I do understand that not everyones taste can be catered for in a specification and I do realize that you can ask for the bbox in a DOM script (in the viewers that support this). But for basic entities like text, which I think most people can agree on is needed most of the time even in images this omission makes life so much more difficult. For complex graphs with multiple texts this omission of bbox as a declarative entity would force the backend to generate some self-modifying script. Basically with the kind of layout needs that I have it could easily require every coordinate in the scene to be dependent on one or more bbox for various text strings in order to properly line things up. What I need to do apparently is to spend a few days and see how a typical scene can be modified with some additional DOM scripting that will have to modify potentially every other coordinate in the scene depending on the actual text strings. Since I'm not that used to SVG (yet) my initial impression is that this will get quite messy but I might be able to find some clean way of structure such code. The biggest probably will most likely be that the library (for which I'm writing the SVG backend) makes assumption that the bbox is available when the code is generated on the fly. Changing the layout engine into working in harmony with this back-patching of bbox:es will most likely be the biggest challenge. Thanks for all Your comments Johan On Sunday 28 May 2006 20:36, Robin Berjon wrote: On May 28, 2006, at 19:58, Johan Persson wrote: I'm still so surprised about this omission since it basically renders SVG useless for anything involving graphics with TTF fonts and texts (without resorting to things like a fixed font where one could calculate an approximate bounding box outside the viewer used and hope for the best). One of the replies to my original posting mention that there are no plans to add anything like this to the upcoming 1.2 specs. Can anyone share any light why this humungus omission has come to be? SVG is used for a hugely varied amount of things, therefore someone's humongous omission is someone else's trifle feature. Unless I've missed something, what you describe can be done in script: you can always ask for the bbox of text, as well as a number of other aspects. If it were to become declarative (as in Cam's excellent constraints work) I would expect that it would live in a specification separate from SVG so that it could be reused elsewhere (I sure have at times wanted to use something like that with HTML/CSS as well). -- Robin Berjon Senior Research Scientist Expway, http://expway.com/ - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership SPONSORED LINKS Xml format Svg Format Data YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send
Re: [svg-developers] Firefox
Since firefox 1.5, it has native support for SVG built in. It is also possible to also implement the Adobe SVG viewer in Firefox. Sorry, I can't help you with advice on the Adobe viewer on Firefox. Personally, I would recommend to sticking with native SVG on Firefox unless you need some of the functionality that it does not support yet. Ronan On Thursday 27 April 2006 00:25, Darrel Yoon wrote: Can Mozilla Firefox support SVG? How to install SVG plug-in into Firefox explorer? - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: (unknown)
On Wednesday 26 April 2006 10:02, Jim Ley wrote: Any mobile phone supporting JSR 226 will enable you to create SVG rendered applications using Java, large numbers of phones support this, and it should be easy for you to create content. You seem to have fallen into the trap that applications mean javascript, that's far from the case, it's a very poor language choice, especially for mobile phone application development. Users don't browse to content on a phone, they use applications. Well, yes I supposed I did. I am primarily generally interested in SVG as a ubiquitous UI layer for desktop and mobile web. I actually have no interest in mobile phone development. To me, SVG without the web is nothing but yet another rendering layer. Cheers, Jim. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] (unknown)
maybe ask on [EMAIL PROTECTED] As far as I am aware there are no svg-enabled players today on mobile devices that support svg applications. There are some primitive static svg implementations, but I have never seen an svg application that works on a mobile phone. Several mobile svg viewer vendors have told me that the latest versions of their softwares have an svg player that can handle ajax functionality however, from my limited perspective as an svg application developer, I can only say that so far this is vapour ware to me. Maybe someone on this group can show an svg application that they have used on a mobile device? also, beware of the mobile marketing term 'supports svg'. Generally speaking,mobile technology vendors operate in a closed ecosystem which shields them from the hard fact-checking that one gets with web technologies. When mobile devices claim to support svg, they generally mean today that the device can recieve an mms message with an embedded svg picture and render it. This is still very, very far from the internet's concept of supporting a technology. So where does this leave you, a developer who wants to develop svg applications for a mobile device? If you are satisfied with using svg like web pages without javascript or ajax, then you can build svg applications for mobiles with smil and no state keeping. For this, you simply need to identify mobile devices which support svgt1.0 or svgt1.1 content over http. If you want to use svg as gui layer for interactive devices with state using ajax behaviour, then you need to find out which devices (will) support this and then you need to develop your application like any other ajax application as long as you conform with svg's xml paradigm (there's that word again...). Good luck. Ronan On Monday 24 April 2006 07:08, adis_gundam wrote: How to build svg application(maps) for pocket pc/pda/handphone? - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] RIAs techno winners - was Re: SVG dying?
On Friday 21 April 2006 23:30, Geoffrey Swenson wrote: My current phone has a web interface, but it is so tedious to use on the small screen and inadequate keyboard that it is hardly worth the bother and certainly not worth the surcharges on my bill. I agree wholeheartedly with the cost component. Mobile operators appear to me to be completely disconnected from reality when it comes to value. Sadly, the only other alternative is wlan, and the wlan user community has been fooled into implementing nearly-useless wep encryption which provides no real security but effectively stops 'nice' people from accessing other peoples' wireless hubs. So until wlan is available ubiquitously at a low-cost, low-hassle level, mobile operators will continue to think that their gprs umts service is something worth paying a lot of money for. Until OLEDs make it possible to design an easily carried phone with a large-enough roll-out display, I doubt that web applications will be much good on phones. You can't do enough with 200x200 pixels to be worth the bother for anything other than very specialized apps. I don't think you need a rolled up screen, even if that would be Most Interesting. Clearly, as you brought up, a 200 x 200 pixels is good enough for a basic phone but not good enough for any major application gui. On my last phone upgrade, I went from a tiny Sony-Erickson 600 with a 1.5 x 1.5 inch 200x200 screen to a nokia 9300 communicator with a keyboard and a 640x200 screen. What a usability difference!! Suddenly, I have a kneecapped yet fairly useful access to the web, and suddenly my phone is useful for non-phone things. What strikes me with this phone, though, is that the only built-in applications I use are telephony, sms, alarm clock, and phone book. And like was brought up elsewhere in this thread, I really do wish that Nokia had given me the ability to download my own browser, mail client, and calendar tool. Sadly, the mobile operators and hardware people are a closed community and have no impetus to open access to their devices. I am waiting for the day I can use a skype-enbled palmtop PC with a mobile-network-enabled backup for the cases where I need connectivity and am not in a major city. I *so much* prefer an ultraportable pc that also does network calls than a ultrathick phone that also does internet. Even if they are the same size, I prefer the PC approach to architecture and openness over the generic phone approach to closed systems. Apps that don't work on phones are going to survive just fine for quite some time, perhaps forever. I don't know if I want my phone to get so dang complex, either. Phones do not need to be complex. They need to have an OS onto which you can install the applications you need and desire, and they have to support the browsing you want to do on the net. After all, what is a mobile phone today other than an overextended wifi card with a touch pad? Ronan Geoffrey J. Swenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronan Oger Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:18 AM To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [svg-developers] RIAs techno winners - was Re: SVG dying? I have a suspicion that mobile-web compatibility will drive technological survival of RIA technology. Apparently, 1/4 of mobile phone users now use the web with their device. This implies that content which does not work on mobile devices in a year or two it will not remain relevant very long. Sadly, the desktop people don't know how to deal with mobile devices, and the mobile market is either unaware or terrified of the potential of the static web capabilities. Adobe is pushing Flex2 hard now and is working hard to get flash onto the mobiles. One thing is for sure, Adobe know what they are doing in the RIA world. After all, isn't it them who added RIA functionality to SVG? For XAML, it will be interesting to see if MS ever manages to grow it outside of the specialised win32/BigDesktop context that it has painted it into. Given the growing impact of mobile devices on the internet landscape (), and since I suspect that XAML will not be on mobiles for years, I propose that the winner of the RIA contest will be the technology that works on mobiles. SVGT1.2 shows huge promise on the mobile context, but is unsupported in IE and unless IE suddenly grows its own SVG wings, it will increasingly act as a lowest-common-denominator brake on internet SVG content for RIAs. I wish I could say that SVG-based RIAs are supported on mobile devices, but I can not really say. Representatives of the mobile viewer vendors have told me that their content supports Ajax-esque or getURL/postURL/parseXML/DOM-insert functionality in SVG, but nobody seem able/interested to either prove this or to show content that they even claim works on some device. I have
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Sending SVG segment by Email
Francis, there is no learning curve involved. Batik comes with a rasteriser called batik-rasteriser, which you call on the command line. When in doubt, ask google, or read the doc. Just download batik, take a look at what is in the bin directory, and go from there. The batik-rasteriser is well proven and has been extensively used commercially. Ronan On Friday 21 April 2006 16:00, Francis Hemsher wrote: Shucks, I was about have some fun with Batik. But their navigation bar creates a ton of errors so I can't navigate the site. I have IE6 w/Windows XP-pro. Also, being a developer, I keep the script-error reporting enabled. Because of this, their navigation package just goes crazy in reporting errors. I wouldn't normally post this here, but hopefully someone can get back to them so they can fix the problem. Francis --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Francis Hemsher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Doug Tom, This looks like it could be fun. I'll go for PNG and Batik: a bit of a learning curve, but I think it's worth it. btw, the snapshot svg view is handled nicely by having a replication of the viewer's elements at the server. I send just the snapshot Id's and let the server do its job in creating the document. Thanks, Francis --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, thomas.deweese@ wrote: Hi All, svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote on 04/20/2006 12:52:33 AM: Francis Hemsher wrote: | Based on that view, its elements, translations, and zoom level, I can | build an SVG document on the server. After It's built, then I want to | convert it into base64 (gif) and include that in the email. Well, base64 is just an encoding; it doesn't equate to a GIF. You can base64-encode PNGs (smaller than GIFs), or even ASCII text. | Question...Has anyone converted an SVG document/elements to | base64? And | what's the relative size of the base64 vs SVG? I hope this is | possible. This should be fairly easy. Just send the SVG snapshot up to the server, rasterize it (I'd use Batik), and use a base64 encoder to convert the raster (there are lots of free command-line tools to do this), then send that out in your email body. If you use Batik to do the rasterization, it already has a Base64OutputStream which if given to the PNGTranscoder will 'on the fly' convert the binary PNG stream into a Base64 stream suitable for inclusion in the e-mail. Good luck! In my experiments, I took a very verbose SVG file (one with lots of shapes, groups, and gradients: 37KB), and saved it as a PNG and a GIF (both 490x425), then base64-encoded it. The encoded PNG was slightly smaller than the SVG (28KB), and the encoded GIF was almost double the SVG (60KB). The base64 versions were about 40% larger than their raster equivalents. Also PNG does real transparency and can go to 24/32bit not just pallette. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] RIAs techno winners - was Re: SVG dying?
I have a suspicion that mobile-web compatibility will drive technological survival of RIA technology. Apparently, 1/4 of mobile phone users now use the web with their device. This implies that content which does not work on mobile devices in a year or two it will not remain relevant very long. Sadly, the desktop people don't know how to deal with mobile devices, and the mobile market is either unaware or terrified of the potential of the static web capabilities. Adobe is pushing Flex2 hard now and is working hard to get flash onto the mobiles. One thing is for sure, Adobe know what they are doing in the RIA world. After all, isn't it them who added RIA functionality to SVG? For XAML, it will be interesting to see if MS ever manages to grow it outside of the specialised win32/BigDesktop context that it has painted it into. Given the growing impact of mobile devices on the internet landscape (), and since I suspect that XAML will not be on mobiles for years, I propose that the winner of the RIA contest will be the technology that works on mobiles. SVGT1.2 shows huge promise on the mobile context, but is unsupported in IE and unless IE suddenly grows its own SVG wings, it will increasingly act as a lowest-common-denominator brake on internet SVG content for RIAs. I wish I could say that SVG-based RIAs are supported on mobile devices, but I can not really say. Representatives of the mobile viewer vendors have told me that their content supports Ajax-esque or getURL/postURL/parseXML/DOM-insert functionality in SVG, but nobody seem able/interested to either prove this or to show content that they even claim works on some device. I have been building RIA proofs of concept since 2002 and have never seen a mobile capable of round-tripping data in SVG. If the mobile svg platform people get their act together and recognise how close they are to winning (or losing) their technological battle, then my vote is on SVG due to its standards compliance. However, if Bitflash and Ikivo they allow Adobe to steamroll over them and fail to educate the svg content people and fail to deliver the technical solution that meets RIA needs on mobiles, then I believe that the RIA technowinner will be Flash/Flex/whatever-its-called. Ronan On Thursday 20 April 2006 01:40, Robert Russell wrote: I don't think it's Flash that SVG is really going to go head to head against but XAML. I'm guessing that people are going to start forming up around either new MS stuff or W3C stuff for their RIA (Rich Internet Applications - I didn't invent it, I'm just using it because we all know what it is) development. It's just an idea I've had floating around since I started noticing the pieces that you'd need to compete against MS with open source (or just non-MS) tools. SVG is not the entirety of that suite, but it's one important part. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Bill Thoen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a_spit_wad wrote: Strictly looking at the number of posts on this board, 2002 and 2003 looks like the golden years. Are developers posting in another forum or is SVG dying a slow death? I've noticed that too, and I've heard it from at least one other ex-SVG developer (contrasted with a few yeas ago, when everybody was saying it was going to triumph over Flash and anything else.) However, it was Firefox 1.5's built-in SVG support that got me interested in SVG again, so maybe developments such as this will revitalize it in other people's minds too. Also, an open source MapInfo MIF to SVG translator that I wrote for the MapInfo environment (ftp://ftp.gisnet.com/pub /MI2SVG.zip) has been my second-most popular download for the last couple of years, so I don't think SVG is dead just yet. But if the browser developers don't get it together and make all implementations conform to the SAME standard in the next year or so, I think people are going to get tired of stupid hassles like that and they'll be looking to try something else. - Bill Thoen - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG dying?
Jeff, You have a point that with rss, I can be more passive. But rss still forces me to go online to the web content, and for raw text reading, it is just not efficient and not possible for me. I think that I am not alone in using off-net down time to process mailing list correspondence. I do all of my correspondence during the 2-1/2 hours of train journey per day (I do 280km round trip per day on trains) that I take between client sites and home, and imply don't have 2 hours to blow during the evening or main workday to go online and read the twenty interesting lists I contribute to. I find the mailing list to be the most streamlined vehicle, with the least amount of dead time. But that's just me. If others prefer web interfaces, that's fine. I abhor them and their off-topic eyecandy when not needed. I only want the information, and nothing else. Hell, I'd even pay to keep a mailing list service ad free. Ronan On Thursday 20 April 2006 01:13, Jeff Schiller wrote: Ronan, You have time to read emails but not to check a feed for new entries? I happen to use the feed provided by Yahoo for this list and go to the web page occasionally when bored, I hardly ever interface through email. The differences between the Yahoo-provided web interface and a full-fledged forum are actually pretty minimal.. Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We don't have a 'proper' web forum because this is a mailing list. For a web forum, go to svg café. Many People on this mailing list like it that way. Web forums require readers to be online to view/reply to postings. They further require that participants visit the pages actively rather than passively recieve queries by email. I am far too busy to do this, and would therefore not participate in the discussion in this group. Also, web forums are expensive to operate due to their much larger bandwidth than email and therefore have obtrusive advertising using increasingly taxing technologies, and I simply do not desire to be buried in advertising junk. With my text-only emails option on yahoo groups, I can easily parse out the junk and concentrate on the content. We could go and have a very long thread about the relative pros and cons of web forums and mailing lists, but the fact remains: this is a mailing list for which yahoo groups includes a web interface. You are welcome to go interact in a web forum, but don't count on me to answer questions there as I do not have time. For a historical perspective, you may look up web forum in the 2002 or 2003 archive for the group. The idea was extensively discussed back then. Ronan On Wednesday 19 April 2006 08:17, Richard Gnyla wrote: I agree, for some reason I had to also resubscribe as well and pretty much this Yahoo Forum pi**ess me off as I now have had to subscribe 3 times in about 2 years or so. What I cant understand is why we dont have a proper forum rather then this ancient yahoo group thing, I reckon it puts people off. I remember a svgcafe.com forum that happened and was better laid out than this one but didnt seem to gain much interest as no one on this forum decided to move over apart from a few of us Maybe its a cost issue to put up and run such a thing - the yahoo one is free i presume. But I agree with Bill - it's more likely putting people off joining Richard Bill Thoen wrote: Robin Berjon wrote: I don't know if there are other fora for discussion, I know I tend to go to the #svg IRC channel on irc.freenode.net since a lot of interesting discussions and help-giving tends to take place IMHO. One other thing... when I tried to re-up my subscription here on the SVG developers forum, I found Yahoo's nosy (required) questionaire really, really annoying. Their privacy policy is even worse (basically it says they can do whatever they like with the info they gather from subscribers.) Since I have cookies turned off, that was a hassle too. I tried several times to get re-subscribed, and each time I hadn't done something right, it forced me to re-enter ALL the info again. So I filled out a bunch of lies, got signed up, but they managed to cross-reference my old info using my e-mail address anyway (even though since I had forgotten my old password *I* couldn't use it!) Because of Yahoo, I came within an ace of not bothering to re-join this forum again. If I hadn't known it was good from my past expeienmce a couple of years ago, I definitely wouldn't have joined because of Yahoo's policies. If somebody sets up an alternative SVG discussion forum using something like GNU mailman and doesn't require a lot of marketing demograpohics information, I'd be there like a shot and would never go back to a Yahoo
Re: [svg-developers] SVG dying?
We don't have a 'proper' web forum because this is a mailing list. For a web forum, go to svg café. Many People on this mailing list like it that way. Web forums require readers to be online to view/reply to postings. They further require that participants visit the pages actively rather than passively recieve queries by email. I am far too busy to do this, and would therefore not participate in the discussion in this group. Also, web forums are expensive to operate due to their much larger bandwidth than email and therefore have obtrusive advertising using increasingly taxing technologies, and I simply do not desire to be buried in advertising junk. With my text-only emails option on yahoo groups, I can easily parse out the junk and concentrate on the content. We could go and have a very long thread about the relative pros and cons of web forums and mailing lists, but the fact remains: this is a mailing list for which yahoo groups includes a web interface. You are welcome to go interact in a web forum, but don't count on me to answer questions there as I do not have time. For a historical perspective, you may look up web forum in the 2002 or 2003 archive for the group. The idea was extensively discussed back then. Ronan On Wednesday 19 April 2006 08:17, Richard Gnyla wrote: I agree, for some reason I had to also resubscribe as well and pretty much this Yahoo Forum pi**ess me off as I now have had to subscribe 3 times in about 2 years or so. What I cant understand is why we dont have a proper forum rather then this ancient yahoo group thing, I reckon it puts people off. I remember a svgcafe.com forum that happened and was better laid out than this one but didnt seem to gain much interest as no one on this forum decided to move over apart from a few of us Maybe its a cost issue to put up and run such a thing - the yahoo one is free i presume. But I agree with Bill - it's more likely putting people off joining Richard Bill Thoen wrote: Robin Berjon wrote: I don't know if there are other fora for discussion, I know I tend to go to the #svg IRC channel on irc.freenode.net since a lot of interesting discussions and help-giving tends to take place IMHO. One other thing... when I tried to re-up my subscription here on the SVG developers forum, I found Yahoo's nosy (required) questionaire really, really annoying. Their privacy policy is even worse (basically it says they can do whatever they like with the info they gather from subscribers.) Since I have cookies turned off, that was a hassle too. I tried several times to get re-subscribed, and each time I hadn't done something right, it forced me to re-enter ALL the info again. So I filled out a bunch of lies, got signed up, but they managed to cross-reference my old info using my e-mail address anyway (even though since I had forgotten my old password *I* couldn't use it!) Because of Yahoo, I came within an ace of not bothering to re-join this forum again. If I hadn't known it was good from my past expeienmce a couple of years ago, I definitely wouldn't have joined because of Yahoo's policies. If somebody sets up an alternative SVG discussion forum using something like GNU mailman and doesn't require a lot of marketing demograpohics information, I'd be there like a shot and would never go back to a Yahoo forum again. I'm sure Yahoo's policy has turned others off from checking this group out; especially these days now that we all know the questionable uses to which concentrated information harvesting is put. - Bill Thoen - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Fwd: [SVG-Mobile] Call for Entries: BitFlash Mobile SVG content competition
This may be of interest to the general SVG Developers crowd. -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: [SVG-Mobile] Call for Entries: BitFlash Mobile SVG content competition Date: Monday 17 April 2006 19:51 From: Kathie Fitzgerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a bid to showcase the outstanding possibities of SVG Tiny, and to promote content artists all over the world, BitFlash is hosting a Mobile SVG Content Competition. Qualifying entries will be displayed in our Mobile SVG Gallery, and every submission selected for posting will be elegible to win the Grand Prize. For contest details, go to bitflash.com/mobile_gallery.html http://www.bitflash.com/mobile_gallery.html . Enter often, and help promote SVG! Contest closes June 30, 2006. --- -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] European SVG Workshop 60% subscribed
The European SVG Workshop has published its preliminary talk track. http://www.roitsystems.com/twiki/bin/view/SVGWorkshop There are still a number of presentation spaces available for participants who wish to take this opportunity to meet with leading contributors to the European SVG space. Workshop home page: http://www.roitsystems.com/twiki/bin/view/SVGWorkshop Looking forward to seeing people there, Ronan - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Fwd: Re: Street maps in SVG format...
-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: Street maps in SVG format... Date: Monday 17 April 2006 23:51 From: b22gate [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Depending on where you are you might find that openstreetmap.org has some mapping data for where you live. There is an SVG renderer for OSM if that is what you ultimately need. If there is no data for your area you could always upload some GPS tracks and create whatever you need. OSM is licensed under CC-BY-CA so you can use it commercially providing you give attribution and share any derivative works. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, you'd probably get the data in GIS format, which can be converted to SVG format. A typical exchange format for GIS is ESRI shapefile or GML. These two are relatively easy to convert to SVG. Commercial geodata provider for road data are the two big guys Teleatlas and Navteq. You may also want to try to ask the local community of the cities you are interested. Often they also provide or sell geodata. A ESRI shape to SVG converter that preserves the coordinates and non-graphical attributes (in a foreign namespace) is available at http://www.carto.net/papers/svg/utils/shp2svg/ There are also commercial GIS to SVG converters available. Andreas --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, peterkalev2002 peterk@ wrote: Hi all, If I need a street map of few city blocks, where can I find it in SVG format for commercial use. I have been tracing them so far in Illustrator, but it is very time consuming... :( Thank you in advance! Peter --- -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Call for participants: European SVG Workshop 2006
(Sent on behalf of RO IT Systems and Dotuscomus) Call for participation - 2006 European SVG Workshop I am pleased to announce the call for participation for the first European SVG Workshop. RO IT Systems GmbH (http://www.roitsystems.com) and Dotuscomus (http://dotuscomus.com) are organizing this first European SVG Workshop in the hope to bring together professionals working with SVG at content, technical, and business levels. The workshop will be held in Zurich on 11-12 May 2006. It is limited to thirty participants. Each participant is expected to present a talk of 10-50 minutes on a related topic of their choice. For more information about the workshop, please visit the workshop homepage at: http://www.roitsystems.com/twiki/bin/view/SVGWorkshop We have arranged an attractive hotel rate for participants, and the conference is being organized at a break-even basis. All the best, and I hope to see you there. Ronan -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: embedding SVG Draw in my application
On Monday 06 February 2006 06:10, sapnabafna247 wrote: Hi Ronan, Thanks for you reply... Even I think SVG would limit my scope..but I nned to build teh white board...my problems are 1. How do I display applications written in c++/java script in the browser(like inskye or batik similar of adobe SVG ) You appear to confuse SVG and Adobe. The Adobe SVG viewer is one way to display SVG on the browser. It is also the most common way and works with most browsers. Some browsers such as recent versions of Konqueror, Opera, Firefox and Mozilla support SVG directly, and do not require a plugin. There are also SVG viewers such as Batik Squiggle which are applications for viewing SVG. As well, you can build your own Batik application in Java, or you could even build a Batik SVG viewer applet. Finally, many mobile devices support SVG via the Ikivo or the Bitflash SVG viewers. Because there are many ways to view SVG on a device, I can not really specifically answer your SVG device question. 2. Are there some other applications or pluggins which I can integrate with ruby on rails and implement this shared white board in my application You appear to misunderstand the role of the SVG viewer in the application architecture. You do not integrate the SVG browser into your serverside system. SVG is analogous to HTML, and you simply build a system that displays SVG and send that displayed SVG to the requesting SVG-enabled browser via HTTP requests, exactly the same way that it is done in html. There is nothing more to it. So in short, you do the following: 1/ decide whether or not you wish to use SVG as the GUI layer for your application, or as part of the GUI layer. 2/ decide what user platforms you wish to support 3/ find out what SVG subset is and what is not supported by these platforms 4/ build your architecture accordingly 5/ deploy and test... The same as with html. Some SVG implementations support most of SVG-1.2, some support part of SVG-1.0, some support javascript, some support smil. You need to be aware of what you want to do, and you need to research how you will do it. Broadly speaking, anything that can generate arbitrary XML can generate SVG. However, anything that assumes HTML (such as most implementations of Ajax solutions) do not work so well. I have not worked with ruby on rails, but unless it can generate arbitrary xml, you will probably have trouble with it. Ronan Ronan Thanks Sapna --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SVG Draw is a demonstration application, not a tool per se. You can copy the files and then modify the application to support your needs. Given the fact that Adobe have not released a new version of their SVG Viewer plugin (ASV) other than minor patches for several years, you may also want to make sure you do not corner yourself into using functionality that only works in ASV. The Adobe examples may contain old javascript that only works in ASV: All the best, Ronan On Friday 03 February 2006 10:23, sapnabafna247 wrote: Hi, I am building a Network application using Ruby on rails. I want to build a collabrative tool using Adobe SVG draw. Can i interface this tool and make it work as a collabrative tool.To my understanding I can pass teh xml file to my peer and sync the drawing procedure In teh first plave I want to integrate SVG Draw in my application. How do I do that? Sapna - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] ListBox
os_vlan, welcome to SVG and best of luck. I think spark and cgui support list boxes. http://spark.sourceforge.net http://homepage.usask.ca/~ctl271/cgui/ However, beware: I do not think they are Firefox-compliant. Maybe ask the authors about their plans if you intend to display on other systems than the Adobe SVG Viewer plugin. You may also be interested in this link at galactic pathways: http://www.galacticpathways.com/OpenSource/SVGWidgets.aspx Also, don't hesitate to look things up in the SVG Wiki... http://wiki.svg.org/ Ronan On Monday 06 February 2006 22:58, os_vlan wrote: Hi, Actually I'm new on SVG, I want to ask if there is any free tool o graphics library that creates listBox and check boxes using SVG. Could you please help me in that. Thanks - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] embedding SVG Draw in my application
SVG Draw is a demonstration application, not a tool per se. You can copy the files and then modify the application to support your needs. Given the fact that Adobe have not released a new version of their SVG Viewer plugin (ASV) other than minor patches for several years, you may also want to make sure you do not corner yourself into using functionality that only works in ASV. The Adobe examples may contain old javascript that only works in ASV: All the best, Ronan On Friday 03 February 2006 10:23, sapnabafna247 wrote: Hi, I am building a Network application using Ruby on rails. I want to build a collabrative tool using Adobe SVG draw. Can i interface this tool and make it work as a collabrative tool.To my understanding I can pass teh xml file to my peer and sync the drawing procedure In teh first plave I want to integrate SVG Draw in my application. How do I do that? Sapna - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] IE7 / SVG/ASV3
Francis, Interesting, and good to hear that IE7 is reasonable performant. What was the SVG-viewer you were using, and what was the hardware performance? Were you using ASV3 as a plugin? Ronan On Wednesday 01 February 2006 11:02, Francis Hemsher wrote: I've tested IE7 beta 2 and find it seamless and worthy for those who have developed SVG in the IE browser, using Adobe SVG Viewer 3. What this means is that the IE browser of the future fully supports your efforts of the past. Also, it provides a stable environment for your future development. Regards, Francis - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Plugin opensource
On Wednesday 01 February 2006 12:59, Bru, Pierre wrote: I fail to understand why you would want to build a plugin from scratch for SVG when instead you could contribute to Mozilla's SVG team, or Konqueror's SVG team, which are open source, and help those implementation get better. does FF1.5/Mozilla/Konqueror implementation allows to draw SVG on a transparent background to overlap an existing zone, for exemple to draw a route on a map, as do Google on Gmap with MS private vector language? Pierre. I believe so. I asked this question last month to this list, and got a positive answer. Anyways, one thing is certain: what Google Maps does with VML and transparent images on top of a tiled set of raster images,people routinely do with SVG in the webmapping context. Check carto.net for numerous examples of this... Anyways, here is a trivial example of dynamic overlays over maps (clunky and rough, but I hope you get the point that this already can be done... All the data points are delivered real-time from an external server. http://www.roitsystems.com/SVG-Widgets/navigation/ShipAutomation.svg It's kind of clunky, and the underlying image is statically located, but that is simply because I spent 3 days on this demo... And it works on any implementation that supports script access to the DOM or to the uDOM, and xmlhttprequest or GetURL. The key point I am attempting to make is that the community would be better served by interested developers supporting and extending existing SVG implementations rather than by going out on and starting Yet Another Implementation... Ask any SVG browser developer, and you will get the same answer: it's not that simple. The trivial stuff like static SVG is fine, but that's not enough, and is not SVG1.2 or SVGT1.2 compliant, so static implementations are really of no interest to anyone. And anyways, there are too many static SVG implementations to list. It took Mozilla 3 years toget to where they are today, and anyone who thinks they can do better from scratch is kidding themeselves. There are plenty of existing solutions out there... let's help the developers working on those implementations rather than making their task even harder by competing against them. Finally, if you want a feature you can't find in your favorite opensource SVG implementation, why not request a feature and get some people together to fund the work? A little financial sponsorship goes a long way in open source... Ronan -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Pls help me, if u can
Pls. post an example of your output from php so we can see what your bug is. From the top of my head, it looks like your xml is not well formed (typo). On Tuesday 31 January 2006 16:37, X Razvan wrote: i'm new is svg... so.. I have a svg.it works.then i add some tags in it(with php)...and an error objects expected ;line0,col24 appears... where i should look to remove the error? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Plugin opensource
I fail to understand why you would want to build a plugin from scratch for SVG when instead you could contribute to Mozilla's SVG team, or Konqueror's SVG team, which are open source, and help those implementation get better. I'd suggest you contribute to an existing SVG browser implementation. Ronan On Tuesday 31 January 2006 19:17, Pedro Henrique de Lira wrote: OK, but we need a plugin similar to flash plugin, with all functions of the specificaition 1.1 W3C. Don't you think ? []s Phi Tran escreveu: FYI. Yes. and No. Yes there are some models floating on the NET. 1- Server side java base SVG - Png (from SUN and GOOLE). (You can obtain source ??). 2- Java base Applet that can render SVG image. (Not very impressive) 3- Similar to FishEye Menu (on the net). Requiring client/server round trip? 4- I have first hand knowedge of a Client side Javascript SVG render It look sleek. Hoppfully it will be available in a few week. On 1/31/06, Pedro Henrique de Lira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, There are some plugin opensource that reinderized svg images in the browser IE and FF that get all funcionalities in the especification 1.1 disponibilized for the W3cotherwise we can start this ideia/solution ??? I know that the FF 1.5 had the svg *INTERNAL* but not have all funcionalities and not is good to depend the plugin of the adobe wich was been abandoned. thank's - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Plugin opensource
Hi Phi, Your idea of a web-enabled SVg renderer is great and I support the concept if y. Is that an SVG-1.2-full renderer? I am interested to see how you will support things like SMIL events and xmlhttprequest-driven serverside-driven updates. If you manage this, I will be very happy. Even if you only support SVGT, that would already be excellent. However, I have some issues with your point of view: 1. Why do you say adobe has abandoned SVG? Have Adobe pulled ASV and forbidden you from using it? As far as I an tell, this has not happened. Adobe may have decided to stop developing ASV as a product, but so what? That's their own loss. There are other SVG viewer implementations out there, and at least one on the very near horizon. 2. There is already an SVG viewer solution for every platform: Batik. And for each major platform, there is at least one SVG implementation. If you mean cross-browser SVG support, I do not think you can expect much joy. After all, it is a bit much to ask modern developers to continue to support IE6 forever. After all, IE6 is really starting to show its age and is totally out of date. Microsoft can refuse to update their browser, but they do so at their own risk. And while rumours of a pending IE7 abound, I'm not holding my breath for this to be usable on current hardware. I'll be pleasantly surprised to hear of IE7 running on WindowsXP on a 2004-2006 PC or laptop. 3. There is a lot more to SVG than rendering the pixels. time management, transparency management, and event handling are fairly complex things that will be difficult to mimick in dhtml and javascript alone. Of course, you *could* generate pixel maps of an SVG drawing, but doing so is pointless. Exactly what SVG is good at, pixel maps suck at... distinct object context handling. 4. Does your cross.browser free SVG editor work on Konqueror? Can you show a link? Is it better than Batik-based SVG editors? 5. I do not understand why people starved for an SVG plugin to IE6 do not simply compile a Batik applet to handle their SVG. Shouldnt that work? Sure, it would be fat... But it would work. and bandwidth is pretty good these days. For web2.0 apps, this solution should suffice. 6. I am not sure what you mean by dealing with black boxes. The source code for every SVG implementation in the wild except ASV and CSV is freely available. All you need to do is read it. Ronan On Tuesday 31 January 2006 20:53, Phi Tran wrote: But as you know ADOBE is abandoned SVG viewer. And 1- It is not CROSS-BROWSER such as IE 2- I don't like to deal with black box. I want to allow the Web author more flexibility such as to know that color a point is; or he/she what to just move/change one item/element . . . 3- It just a sub product of my Cross-platform/ Cross-browser web-base, Free SVG editor. Hope You may Understand. Phi On 1/31/06, Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fail to understand why you would want to build a plugin from scratch for SVG when instead you could contribute to Mozilla's SVG team, or Konqueror's SVG team, which are open source, and help those implementation get better. I'd suggest you contribute to an existing SVG browser implementation. Ronan On Tuesday 31 January 2006 19:17, Pedro Henrique de Lira wrote: OK, but we need a plugin similar to flash plugin, with all functions of the specificaition 1.1 W3C. Don't you think ? []s Phi Tran escreveu: FYI. Yes. and No. Yes there are some models floating on the NET. 1- Server side java base SVG - Png (from SUN and GOOLE). (You can obtain source ??). 2- Java base Applet that can render SVG image. (Not very impressive) 3- Similar to FishEye Menu (on the net). Requiring client/server round trip? 4- I have first hand knowedge of a Client side Javascript SVG render It look sleek. Hoppfully it will be available in a few week. On 1/31/06, Pedro Henrique de Lira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, There are some plugin opensource that reinderized svg images in the browser IE and FF that get all funcionalities in the especification 1.1 disponibilized for the W3cotherwise we can start this ideia/solution ??? I know that the FF 1.5 had the svg *INTERNAL* but not have all funcionalities and not is good to depend the plugin of the adobe wich was been abandoned. thank's - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed
Re: [svg-developers] Plugin opensource
On Tuesday 31 January 2006 21:53, Phi Tran wrote: 1- There no server-side XMLHTTP needed. It is 100% Client process. (All it need is an SVG file form the server.). . Right, as long as you are only interested in static content, that is a fine usage. For images, for example. 2- It is not 100% SVG1-2 but it support all graphic and cascade style. Right. This certainly has a place for static content. 3- Me My staff want a web-base simple SVG editor that we can work anywhere (for ourself). Accessible to anyone of us. Right. I can certainly see the advantage of this. 4- I like one that can play SVG on 99.9% of the webserver population. Easy for Web develpoer do do one WEB-page that it display the same no matter what browser it is IE 4-5-6-7?? FF 1 -1.2 -1.5 Opera ? AOL ? NS ?? I dont know what you mean by webserver population. You can process SVG with batik on 100% of webservers (well, win32, unix, linux, mac... at least). Is that what you mean? XML-raster on the server, then send it to the client? 5- Timing? It slower because it is interpreted Vs compiled. Depend on how much how big one change it may or may not fit for GAME/animation purpose. But it may fit on other purpose such as map dynamic image generator such as a web-base image drawing. Right. Could be good, especially for clients that cant support static SVG. Are many of these? Have you come accross DENG, the svg viewer written in flash? Also, why not use flash to generate SVG drawings (blasphemy, but fairly easy, I would guess). 6- We are not just starting it. but it has been worked for long. Interesting. Any way to take a look at it? Do you have an online version that is accessible? Ronan On 1/31/06, Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Phi, Your idea of a web-enabled SVg renderer is great and I support the concept if y. Is that an SVG-1.2-full renderer? I am interested to see how you will support things like SMIL events and xmlhttprequest-driven serverside-driven updates. If you manage this, I will be very happy. Even if you only support SVGT, that would already be excellent. However, I have some issues with your point of view: 1. Why do you say adobe has abandoned SVG? Have Adobe pulled ASV and forbidden you from using it? As far as I an tell, this has not happened. Adobe may have decided to stop developing ASV as a product, but so what? That's their own loss. There are other SVG viewer implementations out there, and at least one on the very near horizon. 2. There is already an SVG viewer solution for every platform: Batik. And for each major platform, there is at least one SVG implementation. If you mean cross-browser SVG support, I do not think you can expect much joy. After all, it is a bit much to ask modern developers to continue to support IE6 forever. After all, IE6 is really starting to show its age and is totally out of date. Microsoft can refuse to update their browser, but they do so at their own risk. And while rumours of a pending IE7 abound, I'm not holding my breath for this to be usable on current hardware. I'll be pleasantly surprised to hear of IE7 running on WindowsXP on a 2004-2006 PC or laptop. 3. There is a lot more to SVG than rendering the pixels. time management, transparency management, and event handling are fairly complex things that will be difficult to mimick in dhtml and javascript alone. Of course, you *could* generate pixel maps of an SVG drawing, but doing so is pointless. Exactly what SVG is good at, pixel maps suck at... distinct object context handling. 4. Does your cross.browser free SVG editor work on Konqueror? Can you show a link? Is it better than Batik-based SVG editors? 5. I do not understand why people starved for an SVG plugin to IE6 do not simply compile a Batik applet to handle their SVG. Shouldnt that work? Sure, it would be fat... But it would work. and bandwidth is pretty good these days. For web2.0 apps, this solution should suffice. 6. I am not sure what you mean by dealing with black boxes. The source code for every SVG implementation in the wild except ASV and CSV is freely available. All you need to do is read it. Ronan On Tuesday 31 January 2006 20:53, Phi Tran wrote: But as you know ADOBE is abandoned SVG viewer. And 1- It is not CROSS-BROWSER such as IE 2- I don't like to deal with black box. I want to allow the Web author more flexibility such as to know that color a point is; or he/she what to just move/change one item/element . . . 3- It just a sub product of my Cross-platform/ Cross-browser web-base, Free SVG editor. Hope You may Understand. Phi On 1/31/06, Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fail to understand why you would want to build a plugin from scratch for SVG when instead you could contribute to Mozilla's SVG team, or Konqueror's SVG
Re: [svg-developers] can someone validate the code
In Batik, I get this error: SVG Error: The system identifier must begin with either a single or double quote character. This works. Notice the difference in the DOCTYPE. ?xml version=1.0 standalone=no? !DOCTYPE svg PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD SVG 1.1//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/CR-SVG-20001102/DTD/svg-20001102.dtd; svg width=120mm height=40mm xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; g transform=scale(0.1) g style=font-family: Helvetica-Narrow; rect x=0mm y=0mm width=163.2mm height=49.6mm stroke-width=0.1mm style=stroke:rgb(255,0,0);fill: none;/ text x=83.2mm y=24.8mm text-anchor=middle dominant-baseline=mathematical style=font-size:13.043478mm;GHGHGH/text /g /g /svg --Ronan On Monday 30 January 2006 10:07, danfreno wrote: ?xml version=1.0 standalone=no? !DOCTYPE svg PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD SVG 20001102//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/CR-SVG-20001102/DTD/svg-20001102.dtd; svg width=120mm height=40mm xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; version=1.0 g transform=scale(0.1) g style=font-family: Helvetica-Narrow; rect x=0mm y=0mm width=163.2mm height=49.6mm stroke-width=0.1mm style=stroke:rgb(255,0,0);fill: none;/ text x=83.2mm y=24.8mm text-anchor=middle dominant-baseline=mathematical style=font- size:13.043478mm;GHGHGH/text /g /g /svg -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] FF 1.5 has context menu?
Hi Rodolfo, The context menu is vendor-specific feature of ASV (Such context menus are generally associated with plugins ) Mozilla does have somethings you can do: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_:_Tips_:_Customize_context_menu Ronan On Friday 27 January 2006 21:41, RODOLFO MORENO LLACZA wrote: Hi Folks: My application has a context menu en IE. This must be becuase in IE I am using ASV plug in but in FF 1.5? how can I put a context menu in FF 1.5? regards Rodolfo John Coe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I looked in to this a while back and only got to this workaround, but one other option is to encorage the user to center the cursor, then move the SVG content under it so the cursor is at your point. Jeff Schiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Doug Schepers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a lousy workaround for you. Create your own drag cursor that you update with script to follow the dragging action, and set the real cursor to none. This will work in FF or ASV6pr1, but not ASV, which doesn't let you set the cursor. Thanks for the suggestion, Doug. It was something I had considered, but as you say - it's a lousy solution. Anyway, I implemented it the easy way by constraining the objects being dragged but not the mouse cursor. After playing with it, I decided it looks just fine. Thanks, Jeff - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership - YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - - What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership SPONSORED LINKS Xml format Svg Format Data - YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - - Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, more on new and used cars. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 Direct: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] GPS Input / Measuring Device
On Monday 23 January 2006 09:05, Petronel Laviniu MALUTAN - Talente.ro wrote: Does anyone know / has a GPS device which can be easily attached to a laptop in order to be able to measure / input coordinates of the roads with PHP ? The Php programm or C++ one I will write it by myself (hopefully) if they are giving some small instructions. Thank you * Petronel * Petronel, There are dozens of solutions to this. However, none of them are *trivial*. I did this last year for a toy demo of google maps that I wrote that showed you where you are on google maps using your GPS. Generally, here is what I did: 1/ used a GPS that generates NMEA 0183 data output to a serial port connected to a PC 2/ (I used Perl) wrote a program that reads from that serial port and parses the NMEA strings for lat/lon data. 3/ wrote a webservice that publishes lat/lon position in XML on http requests from a browser client. 4/ wrote a web page that: 4.1/ queries the URL in (3) above and parses the lat/lon data using ecmascript on a timer or event 4.2/ centers google maps on the x/y position provided by 4.1 Presto. Key points: the script retrieving the gps data lives on the PC where the gps is. ecmascript security prevents you from accessing local files and remote files at the same time. If you want to go to a remote URL and ask it to show you where your GPS says you are, you need to make the GPS-reading script post your position to a remote host. This is fairly easy to do with a daemon if you understand how the internet works. Or you can pay someone to do it for you if you dont understand the net. Best of luck, Ronan - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Firefox issues with createElementNS, works in IE
On Saturday 07 January 2006 13:56, jaychambers wrote: The FF JScript JScript is a proprietary technology owned by MS. In FF and everywhere else, it is Javascript (based on ecmascript). JScript and Javascript have a lot in common, but they also sadly have many differences, and people invoke JScript calls in Javascript that fail, much to their confusion. BTW, are you aware that you can not access the SVG from the html, or vice versa, in ASV on Mozilla on Linux? Your html/svg scripting may/will have issues with ASV users outside of IE. shakesperian type=soothesayer mode=accent Beware, beware Bwre. /shakespearian Good luck with all these IE-specific traps. Ronan -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] hw to embed javascript in svg
Here are two resources to use for this...
http://www.google.ch/search?q=embed+javascript+into+svg
or
http://www.svg-whiz.com/wiki/index.php?search=scriptgo=Go
And here is how you do this.
Generally, you embed an external file:
script xlink:href=http://sourcepath/script.js;
or you inline the script using a CDATA element in a script element
script
![CDATA[ var myJSCode = 1;]]
/script
or
script ![CDATA[ function matchwo(a,b)
{ if (a b a 0) then { return 1 }
else { return 0 }
}
]] /script
On Saturday 07 January 2006 20:15, vikas gupta wrote:
hi everyone!
i m new to svg.can u please help me and tell me how can i embed javascript
in svg.Pls provide me the suitable links explaining this. Thanx in advance
vikas
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Re: [svg-developers] SVG TO PDF
Petronel, On your desktop, If you are using FF1.5, you can simply print to PDF as long as you have a pdf printer installed. Serverside, you can use a number of linux/unix svg-to-pdf conversion options. google convert svg to pdf http://www.google.ch/search?q=%22convert+svg+to+pdf%22start=0ie=utf-8oe=utf-8client=firefox-arls=org.mozilla:en-US:official On Thursday 05 January 2006 16:35, Petronel Laviniu MALUTAN - Talente.ro wrote: I would like to read more about how could I create with PHP, a PDF file based from a SVG one ? Could be SVG somehow prepared for printing directly ? How do you print it if is a going to look professional on pages without creating a pdf ? Thank you Petronel - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] JOBS CREATOR
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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Firefox 1.5 with SVG now officially released
Jonathan, 1.1 Ensure that the user can operate, through keyboard input alone, any user agent functionality available through the user interface. This capability already exists in all serious OS's, and adding this functionality on Yet Another Layer will only create confusion where none is required. When we talk about keyboard events, we are talking about the svg-document-level undersranding of the context of a keypress (such as the letter 'p' in the text-entry context). And I agree that SVG implementations need to address this. However, I also believe that this is best handled through scripting (ie programatically) rather than declaratively. The idea of using key events to trigger mouse pointer events does not need to be part of this discussion because this is already handled at the OS level and because it is generally desirable to have consistent behaviour accross the entire window manager (MS Windows in your case, I presume). Adding this to the SVG app level will add nothing to usability and will serve only to make the SVG app architect's job more difficult. In Linux, for example, mouse and keyboard events can be linked arbitrarily and interchanged at will. Because of this, it is critical that an app developer not be able to arbitrarily impose their own mappings which may render the UI inoperable. It is simply not the job of SVG to know what the input methods are. This is an OS-level or user-inter-face-level problem. If we allow the SVG canvas to have different fundamental behaviour than the OS does, then we will cause a rat's nest of complications. I don't know how windows handles this, but in linux systems, if you want to use your keyboard(s) to define mouse events, it is a trivial problem. Presumably, windows XP is a reasonably well written application. Can it not handle arbitrary pointing device setups, including keyboard mappings...? Ronan On Monday 19 December 2005 09:25, you wrote: Ensure that the user can operate, through keyboard input alone, any user agent functionality available through the user interface. Ronan, This distinctly is an SVG issue, which was drawn to your attention at our SVG meeting in London**. your quote* is an admission of error, not an exclusion, and it is important that this is acknowledged. Please refer to the SVG accessibility appendix H: http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/REC-SVG11-20030114/access.html and UAAG Guideline 1 in particular: http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG10/guidelines.html#gl-device-independence 1.1 Ensure that the user can operate, through keyboard input alone, any user agent functionality available through the user interface. I remain grateful to the firefox SVG team for resolving this matter in bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259062 but have no control over their method. regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessible Solutions http://www.eas-i.co.uk On 17 Dec 2005, at 19:38, Ronan Oger wrote: *As in DOM2 Key events, the SVG specification does not provide a key event set. An event set designed for use with keyboard input devices will be included in a later version of the DOM and SVG specifications. **There were many outcomes including: http://svg-whiz.com/BAM/#key- mapping and http://jan.kollhof.net/projects/svg/examples/focus.svg was in fact presented. -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Firefox 1.5 with SVG now officially released
denominator? Do we build improved systems that inevitably exclude some users? Do we legislate functionality into applications? If so, do we do it accross the board? If yes, why are we applying different standards to web apps than we apply to the physical press, public transportation, and vocal communication? Keep up the accessibility fight. Cheers, Ronan regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessible Solutions http://www.eas-i.co.uk **My install instructions for the dell latitude 433mc, which is possibly one of the earliest colour(8) laptops to run linux, remained at linux-laptops for many years! This machine was never capable of running windows, but happily ran tweaked linux games for our students in ~4Mb. On 19 Dec 2005, at 15:05, Ronan Oger wrote: Jonathan, 1.1 Ensure that the user can operate, through keyboard input alone, any user agent functionality available through the user interface. This capability already exists in all serious OS's, and adding this functionality on Yet Another Layer will only create confusion where none is required. When we talk about keyboard events, we are talking about the svg-document-level undersranding of the context of a keypress (such as the letter 'p' in the text-entry context). And I agree that SVG implementations need to address this. However, I also believe that this is best handled through scripting (ie programatically) rather than declaratively. The idea of using key events to trigger mouse pointer events does not need to be part of this discussion because this is already handled at the OS level and because it is generally desirable to have consistent behaviour accross the entire window manager (MS Windows in your case, I presume). Adding this to the SVG app level will add nothing to usability and will serve only to make the SVG app architect's job more difficult. In Linux, for example, mouse and keyboard events can be linked arbitrarily and interchanged at will. Because of this, it is critical that an app developer not be able to arbitrarily impose their own mappings which may render the UI inoperable. It is simply not the job of SVG to know what the input methods are. This is an OS-level or user-inter-face-level problem. If we allow the SVG canvas to have different fundamental behaviour than the OS does, then we will cause a rat's nest of complications. I don't know how windows handles this, but in linux systems, if you want to use your keyboard(s) to define mouse events, it is a trivial problem. Presumably, windows XP is a reasonably well written application. Can it not handle arbitrary pointing device setups, including keyboard mappings...? Ronan On Monday 19 December 2005 09:25, you wrote: Ensure that the user can operate, through keyboard input alone, any user agent functionality available through the user interface. Ronan, This distinctly is an SVG issue, which was drawn to your attention at our SVG meeting in London**. your quote* is an admission of error, not an exclusion, and it is important that this is acknowledged. Please refer to the SVG accessibility appendix H: http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/REC-SVG11-20030114/access.html and UAAG Guideline 1 in particular: http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG10/guidelines.html#gl-device-independence 1.1 Ensure that the user can operate, through keyboard input alone, any user agent functionality available through the user interface. I remain grateful to the firefox SVG team for resolving this matter in bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259062 but have no control over their method. regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessible Solutions http://www.eas-i.co.uk On 17 Dec 2005, at 19:38, Ronan Oger wrote: *As in DOM2 Key events, the SVG specification does not provide a key event set. An event set designed for use with keyboard input devices will be included in a later version of the DOM and SVG specifications. **There were many outcomes including: http://svg-whiz.com/BAM/#key- mapping and http://jan.kollhof.net/projects/svg/examples/focus.svg was in fact presented. -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership SPONSORED LINKS Computer internet security Computer internet business Computer internet access Computer internet privacy securities Computer internet help How to format a computer hard drive YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups
Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG the Adobe-Macromedia merger
Francis, Before going too far out on a limb and running off your mouth about what the W3C should or should not do, you might want to read up on what the W3C is. The W3C is not a public organization set up for the general good of society. Far from it. It is a membership-based club for promoting technologies that benefit the club participants. Within the W3C, competing groups fight to get their ideas in and to keep competing ideas out. Instead of ranting into the wind about open-source development and complaining about the free work others should do to help you earn money (ASV is free, and you seem to be benefiting commercially from this, no?), maybe you should consider one or more of the following options: 1) stop complaining, and work with the free tools provided to you find them, taking responsibility for your own strategic errors in technological dependency choices 2) join the W3C and try to change the future of SVG to your advantage 3) pay someone to build you an SVG browser that *you* can offer free to the public domain. I'm sure you can get this done for 1/2 million Euro or less. 4) move on to another technology. Maybe start using Java applets, Flash, pdf, or bitmap animations to show your data. Hey, you could even simply send it by fax and forego both the W3C *and* ICANN. Cheers, Ronan On Saturday 17 December 2005 04:35, Francis Hemsher wrote: Hi Sherm, I guess you sent this as a statement from Adobe as a positive indication of their continuing support of SVG. The following quote from below to meet the needs of customers and partners tells me as, an open-source developer, to expect diddly from Adobe in the true future of SVG. In my opinion, they have every incentive to undermine SVG's success. Along with XAML the Camel, they used W3C to first establish the basis for their products, and then abandonded support of both XML and SVG to reduce open-source competition for their products. I think W3C should sue their butts for using and manipulating their technology, and providing no compensation. Francis --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Sherm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the Adobe website http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/adobeandmacromedia_faq.h tm l How does Adobe's acquisition of Macromedia affect Adobe's support of SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics)? Both Adobe and Macromedia have been part of the W3C working group that defined the SVG-t specification. While Flash and Flash Lite have gained critical momentum with customers and partners worldwide, particularly in the fast-growing mobile market, we recognize that both SVG and Flash have had success globally. As a result, Adobe will continue to support the display of popular graphics standards, including SVG-t and Flash, to meet the needs of customers and partners worldwide. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership SPONSORED LINKS Computer internet security Computer internet business Computer internet access Computer internet privacy securities Computer internet help How to format a computer hard drive YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 Direct: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 http://www.roitsystems.com -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Firefox 1.5 with SVG now officially released
From what I remember, keyboard inputs are not part of the currently released SVG recommendations. SVG only supports mouse events. What the browsers chose to do through their Javascript interaction is their issue, but this is not an SVG issue, imho. Ronan On Friday 16 December 2005 12:04, Jeff Schiller wrote: ASV supports keyboard input - I've never had a problem... --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chetwynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ronan, until very recently I would have had to agree with you, but in fact ASV has no support afaik for keyboard input, whereas Firefox1.5 does! so at least in respect of accessibility FF is clearly well ahead. regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessible Solutions http://www.eas-i.co.uk On 4 Dec 2005, at 18:04, Ronan Oger wrote: ASV is the only browser solution to support SVG (full), SMIL, and scripting together without help. All the other browser solutions have fallen short. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership SPONSORED LINKS Computer internet security Computer internet business Computer internet access Computer internet privacy securities Computer internet help How to format a computer hard drive YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Firefox 1.5 with SVG now officially released
Robin, Thanks. I stand corrected. SVG-1.1 supports keyboard events http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/REC-SVG11-20030114/interact.html#document-events-att-mod However... (referring to the above URL) As in DOM2 Key events, the SVG specification does not provide a key event set. An event set designed for use with keyboard input devices will be included in a later version of the DOM and SVG specifications. In SVG-1.1, SVG knows that certain keypress events were done, but only in a context mimicking pointer events. As I said, the currently published SVG specification does not support non-pointer events. Such things are added within the browser implementation by the developers rather than as part of the specification compliance matrix. Ronan On Saturday 17 December 2005 19:00, Robin Berjon wrote: On Dec 17, 2005, at 19:32, Ronan Oger wrote: SVG only supports mouse events. SVG supports all sorts of events that are not mouse events. -- Robin Berjon Senior Research Scientist Expway, http://expway.com/ - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Is Adobe abandoning SVG?
Adobe says they have not given up on SVG. Look for recent posts to this group about this from Jon Ferraiolo (last 3 weeks) for more info. Ronan On Tuesday 13 December 2005 18:26, gee_whiz_bang wrote: I just installed the ASV 6 beta (from http://www.adobe.com/svg/viewer/install/beta.html ) and it looks really good. The antialiasing looks better, and some helpful features like cursors are implemented. The shadow filter I am using looks cleaner as well. But since the BETA is 2.5 years old, it looks like Adobe's work has ground to a halt. As kewl as SVG is, is Adobe giving up on it? - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership SPONSORED LINKS Computer internet security Computer internet business Computer internet access Computer internet help How to format a computer hard drive How to format a computer YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Why is being in XML better? (was Re: Adobe/Macromedia)
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We like xml because it is The Great Panacea. What else do we need?
I agree that XML is a wonderful thing...I spend lots of
time in XML myself (and have for almost 10 years now).
I do not, however, consider it the great panacea.
There are many things for which it is NOT a good solution.
For example:
* It doesn't make a good RASTER IMAGE data format. (could you
see a grammar with a value per pixel? ;)
* It doesn't make a good packaging solution. (which is why
ZIP is used in
conjunction)
XML is kind of handy because of all the work that has been put into
working out the APIs to work with it.
Every language handles XML, and XML of some type is now the
lingua-franqua for data transfer.
I agree that the APIs are wonderful and access from any
language is great - but I can also use a screwdriver for a
numerous purposes that it wasn't originally intended.
My point is simple - use XML for what it was intended
to be...human (and computer) readable structured data. Don't
try to shoe horn everything into XML - it's not going to fit :(.
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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Why is being in XML better? (was Re: Adobe/Macromedia)
On Thursday 08 December 2005 23:17, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: Perhaps because of Sax, Xerces, Xalan, JDom, SOAP, MSXML, XSLT, XPath or perhaps simply because I can read the file and grab what I want/need? More specifically, because you can use the tools you ALREADY KNOW... There are similar tools for many of those things for other formats - you just don't know about them ;). Partially true. And because you know others can use tools they know for your data without needing you to define the API to them in painful detail. I am myself wondering whether it makes that much difference how something becomes a standard w3c, ANSI, ISO, or common use, just as long as I can read it, process it, and hand it down stream. Agreed. agreed. The organisations are really not much more than self-interest groups... XML helps in the reading/processing and open standards help in the passing downstream. Yes and no. I've seen XML grammars that are more complicated than the alternative, thus making it harder to read/process... yes, but their parsing is universally accepted. If you use a compliant XML generator, another compliant XML parser will work with it. This says nothing about the business layer being able to work with your data, but at least you've taken the problem back up to the business layer from the transport layer. .pdf .shp .swf .dxf are published formats but hard to read/process For whom? Using what tools? that's exactly the point. There are a limited toolsets in a limited number of languages that handle the above. But with xml, there are a huge number of APIs in every major language. So we no longer need to worry about the markup itself, and only need to worry about the interpretation of the markup. Remember the bad old days of csv? When a csv file from a germanic country failed to parse in a program in an anglo country because the anglos separate with a comma and the germanics separate with semicolon? Every time you needed to pass csv between 2 applications, you had to worry about whether the programmers had packaged the data intelligently, and in a world-aware way. With XML, the standard handles this elegantly. This alone makes the poison of XML's verbosity and markup that much more palatable. Ronan -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/.QUssC/izNLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Adobe/Macromedia
Hmm. This looks to me like code for we want to stay relevant in the SVG Mobile market, but think that SVG-Full on the browser is a dead end. I can't say I'm surprized at all. SVG-Full has proven to be a killer to implement, and the overhead in transport and processing has been discussed regularly on this group as a point agains SVG-Full in the web context. I can't say I would be sad to see SVG-Full be replaced with SVGt+script. Ronan On Tuesday 06 December 2005 08:33, Antoine Quint wrote: Hi all, There is also a new acquisition FAQ which as a bit about SVG: Q: How does Adobe's acquisition of Macromedia affect Adobe's support of SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics)? A: Both Adobe and Macromedia have been part of the W3C working group that defined the SVG-t specification. While Flash and Flash Lite have gained critical momentum with customers and partners worldwide, particularly in the fast-growing mobile market, we recognize that both SVG and Flash have had success globally. As a result, Adobe will continue to support the display of popular graphics standards, including SVG-t and Flash, to meet the needs of customers and partners worldwide. http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/adobeandmacromedia_faq.html Antoine -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 Tel: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 http://www.roitsystems.com -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Streaming svg
Hi Juancho, SVG does not actually support streaming, but it does support script-based insertion of data... What you might be able to do is buffer 5 seconds of animation as SMIL animation as snippets serverside, and send this using scripting and http methods to the browser using Adobe and Batik's getURL or the equivalent http request in ecmascript for FF. Stick the content in groups and make the groups invisible / visible / invisible on a timer sequence, and then delete the groups when they become irrelevant. Then, what you effectively get, is 5-second keys that you get 1-2 seconds to upload. This should be plenty of time to do your streaming animation. The only real problem with this is making sure that your frames are keyed well and that your transfer time is less than your display length. Ronan On Tuesday 06 December 2005 12:24, sillyfunnypedro wrote: I have spent many an hour searching for the answer to this question. I would like to broadcast a 2d visualization of a simulation. The simulation runs at 20Hz and for each frame i need to draw roughly 20 svg primitives. I want the viewers to be able to log in and see the current state of the simulation without having to load the simulation from the beginning. (could be 4-5 hours of sim). Server side i can make sure that the page i construct is updated regularly so that only the last 5 seconds of animation are there. However once someone logs in i want them to be able to watch the simulation for as long as they want to and to do this in a clean way. One solution is to build a special purpose viewer and have them use that, however i was hoping that there was an existing solution out there for broadcasting svg animations. regards juancho - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Adobe/Macromedia
So this is a thing there's FF, I presume? Good thing there is an SVG alternative out there... On Tuesday 06 December 2005 00:16, domenico_strazzullo wrote: http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200512/120505 AdobeAcquiresMacromedia.html This document dates of today. ... The combination of Adobe and Macromedia creates one of the world's largest, most innovative and diversified software companies. The acquisition brings together some of the industry's strongest software brands and most ubiquitous technologies for creating, managing and delivering compelling content and experiences across multiple operating systems, devices and media. The move also accelerates Adobe's strategic initiative to advance a powerful software platform, based on PDF and Macromedia® Flash® technologies, that scales from mobile devices to high-end servers. ... No big surprise, hein? Domenico - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership SPONSORED LINKS Computer internet security Computer internet business Computer internet access Computer internet help How to format a computer hard drive How to format a computer YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 Tel: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 http://www.roitsystems.com -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I258zB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Firefox 1.5 with SVG now officially released
Every browser implementation has serious shortcomings. This is something that all the companies that generate content on the internet (svg, html, or streaming media) As a matter of fact, ASV is the only browser solution to support SVG (full), SMIL, and scripting together without help. All the other browser solutions have fallen short. Whereas I commiserate with Domenico that there are not enough implementations out there that are sufficiently compliant, there is nothing special about this condition, nor there any reason to expect this situation wil dissapear any time soon. We had the same problem in sgml in the 90s, and we have always had this problem with new technologies. I fully expect that Ajax will cause new frameworks to be developped, and that widget libraries will be built around particular Ajax flavours. I am fairly pessimistic about the prospects for inter-connectivity between Ajax-ish back-ends and front-ends from different supplies. We have not hit this level of sophistication in the SVG industry yet, but I am sure it is coming soon enough. We need to build our systems around the tools we have, and we have to keep in mind the risk of building complex applications or websites around a cocktail of technologies which is only available from a single vendor. This is of course the opposite of reacting to commercial pressure to be unique and to stretch the limits of the technology... Today, the risk-adverse SVG developer will identify the lowest common denominator and build the SVG content accordingly, keeping in mind bandwidth, processing cost, and platform support. Alternatively, the developer will provide an elegant downgrading solution for their content, or will allow the user to select the content to match the workstation capabilities. Building a commercial livelihood around the capabilities of a single commercial solution like ASV is a very dangerous strategy. Every one of us in the tool and content development spheres has felt the consequences of being subject to a single vendor at least once. This has been a hard lesson for many SVG content developers and I personally have seen several contracts be lost as a direct result of relying on a single vendor for a critical component of SVG visualization toolchain. For that very reason, it is critical for companies who operate in the SVG sphere to champion efforts of groups like Opera, Mozilla, and KDE (and Adobe if they ever move forward in SVG again). Since the content developers rely on the tool developers for browser and tool creation, maybe the commercial interests in the SVG community who are directly dependant on the SVG tool makers would be well served by contributing to the free software built by the tool makers that the content creators rely on to earn a living. Tool makers need resources to proceed with their work, and the most logical source of these resources (time, labour, or funds to pay for them) is the content and application developers. I strongly believe that if a commercial player regrets that Firefox is missing a particula capability, then the commercial player should pay for this support. The great thing about open-source software is that if you don't like it, you can contribute to it to change it. Ronan -- Ronan Oger RO IT Systems GmbH ...Extending the web with SVG since 2001 Tel: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 http://www.roitsystems.com On Sunday 04 December 2005 06:52, Doug Schepers wrote: Hi, Domenico- While you know I respect you, your work, and your opinions, I have to say that I must respectfully disagree with you here. Do things render quickly and perfectly in FF? Is FF feature-complete as regards SVG graphical elements or DOM methods? Is there support for 2 of my favorite features, SMIL and SVG Fonts? Sadly, no. However, does it help spread SVG? Emphatically, yes. Over the past few months, I've tried to clean up a lot of my content so that it renders as well as possible in FF. I've gotten many of my WebApps to behave tolerably well (though others are a lost cause). It is far from my ideal platform. But a *lot* of content will render just fine. Let's face it, just browsing legacy SVG, you are bound to stumble on a lot of mistakes that Adobe should never have rendered. In this way, alone, I see value in Firefox... it will make authors and authoring tools create real, valid XML, which will aid the transition to Compound Documents. This is where I think SVG will find a whole new audience, with SVG as just a part of a larger mixed-namespace context. But let's not talk about technicalities like that, of interest only to standards wonks. Let's talk real-world cases. There is a whole new generation of SVG authors that neither know nor care about SVG scripting or animation. They are using Inkscape to make static SVG, which many argue should be the primary use case for a Web-oriented vector graphics language
Re: [svg-developers] IE won't show svg generated by cgi
Hi Wei, On Friday 02 December 2005 19:09, zou wei wrote: Hi: It is very weird to me for the following reasons 1) if I use 'Content-type: text/plain' instead of 'Content-type: image/svg+xml', I can get the svg text in IE. Save the text I will get the picture I want. IE uses the extension to determine the mime type, and not the mime type 2) if I use firefox to make the request, svg displays partially in firefox Firefox and ASV have different capabilities. Are you sure you are using SVG that works on firefox? 3) IE works fine when I generate a tiny svg using cgi 4) it worked last night, but refused to work since this none. Is either your server or your browser caching an error you made? 1) and 2) suggest it is not svg problem. 3) suggests it is not IE problem. and 4) suggests there should not be any problem. any suggestion? Do you have an example online I can see? What language is your code in? Can we see your example source code? thanks wei Ronan -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH Fraumunsterstrasse 25 8001 Zurich Switzerland Tel: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 private: ronan at roasp dot com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] JPG to SVG programm
Online: http://www.roitsystems.com/cgi-bin/r2v/tracer.pl This is a toolchain built on top of only open-source software including imagemagick, autotrace, and pstoedit results: http://www.roitsystems.com/r2v/ also: delineate is free too. Ronan On Tuesday 29 November 2005 09:31, tamsvg wrote: Hi! Does anybody of you know a free software, where it's possible to convert JPG images to SVG imgages? Katharina P.S. I've found a tool where you can convert it online, but the svg file only has an image tag inside it. I need a programm, which 'draws' the input file again in svg with lines and path and so on... - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership SPONSORED LINKS Computer internet security Computer internet business Computer internet access Computer internet privacy securities Computer internet help How to format a computer hard drive YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. - Switzerland Mobile: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Please say how is it possible to convert from gif to svg
use a vectorising solution. Pure: 1/ map the pixels and group by colour 2/ approximate down to N colours, getting rid of noise 3/ draw regions 4/ done. Trick: 1/ Translate to jpeg or png 2/ embed in an SVG document using an image / tag 3/ deliver. Still pixelated but scalable. On Monday 21 November 2005 13:27, Nikolya Patskov wrote: Hi all, please say how is it possible to convert from gif to svg? - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. - Switzerland Mobile: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Please say how is it possible to convert from gif to svg
There is also this for conversion: htp://www.roitsystems.com/cgi-bin/r2v/tracer.pl Works quite well for clearly defined images, badly for high-noise images. based on autotrace. On Monday 21 November 2005 18:18, david dailey wrote: At 11:17 AM 11/21/2005, you wrote: If you want to convert a gif to SVG vector objects, then you are somewhat screwed. There are bitmap to vector conversion programs such as adobe Streamline and the Corel Trace (bundled with CorelDraw), but they don't work very well in large part. I also found this, by searching on google: http://www.scale-a-vector.de/svg-test4-e.htm Of course, if the gif file is very simple then these tracing programs will work better. If the file was originally drawn as a vector image (supposing no gradients that might have forced dithering) then converting back via Streamline, Corel Trace or half a dozen free and shareware programs should be fairly straightforward. This reminds me of a question I'll bet someone here knows the answer to: Last I looked, patents in the US last only 20 years (I'm assuming international harmonization as via TRIPPS and Uruguay and so forth) mean that most countries probably share this 20 year duration to patents. It seems by this reckoning that the patent covering the compression algorithm underlying GIF (at least GIF87), oughta be about due to expire. Does this signal any likelihood of GIF-related software appearing in open source projects? or is PNG just so much superior? I don't really know about the internals of either. David Dailey - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership SPONSORED LINKS Computer internet security Computer internet business Computer internet access Computer internet privacy securities Computer internet help How to format a computer hard drive YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. - Switzerland Mobile: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] does SVG have problem with big coordinates assigned to viewbox?
ASV does have some issues (or at least ASV3.0 used to) with floating-point roundoff for large numbers. This is not an SVG problem, but an implementation-specific problem. Some viewers use 16-bit numbers, some use 32-bit numbers, and you will have problems with this if your number resolution is bigger than what the browser can handle. From the user perspective, the best thing to do is check the impact of large numbers and of high resolution numbers. I could not help but notice that the data being considered has four decimal place accuracy, of which three decimal places are zeros. Maybe some resolution management would sort out the problem on its own? Ronan On Thursday 17 November 2005 15:16, Jeroen Vanattenhoven wrote: I've used SVG maps for Belgium which uses Lambert 72 coördinates. This gives you coördinates of for example 172000 189000. Also pretty large. I don't have any problems with that. I did remove all decimal numbers. sent1729 schreef: Hi all, This is the problem that I face. I am using SVG for mapping applications where I have all the maps referenced to big coordinates. There seem to be some rendering issue when I define my SVG viewbox with big coorrdinates. This is what I mean: I have the following SVG file where I have 8 line elements which are equally spaced for ex: svg id =ttt x=0 y=0 width=1020 height=677 viewBox=711316. 4324160.8000 10 10 polyline fill=none style=stroke-width:.05;stroke:rgb(0,0,255); points=711316. 4324160.8000 711326. 4324160.8000/ polyline fill=none style=stroke-width:.05;stroke:rgb(0,0,255); points=711316. 4324161.8000 711326. 4324161.8000/ polyline fill=none style=stroke-width:.05;stroke:rgb(0,0,255); points=711316. 4324162.8000 711326. 4324162.8000/ polyline fill=none style=stroke-width:.05;stroke:rgb(0,0,255); points=711316. 4324163.8000 711326. 4324163.8000/ polyline fill=none style=stroke-width:.05;stroke:rgb(0,0,255); points=711316. 4324164.8000 711326. 4324164.8000/ polyline fill=none style=stroke-width:.05;stroke:rgb(0,0,255); points=711316. 4324165.8000 711326. 4324165.8000/ polyline fill=none style=stroke-width:.05;stroke:rgb(0,0,255); points=711316. 4324166.8000 711326. 4324166.8000/ polyline fill=none style=stroke-width:.05;stroke:rgb(0,0,255); points=711316. 4324167.8000 711326. 4324167.8000/ /svg But when what I see on the screen is completely different. I see that all the lines are unequally spaced. which is wrong. But if I make my viewbox coordinates small( i mean the x and y attribute of viewbox), then I see the same line elements equally spaced on the screen. For ex: svg id =ttt x=0 y=0 width=1020 height=677 viewBox=316. 160.8000 10 10 polyline fill=none style=stroke-width:.05;stroke:rgb(0,0,255); points=316. 160.8000 326. 160.8000/ polyline fill=none style=stroke-width:.05;stroke:rgb(0,0,255); points=316. 161.8000 326. 161.8000/ polyline fill=none style=stroke-width:.05;stroke:rgb(0,0,255); points=316. 162.8000 326. 162.8000/ polyline fill=none style=stroke-width:.05;stroke:rgb(0,0,255); points=316. 163.8000 326. 163.8000/ polyline fill=none style=stroke-width:.05;stroke:rgb(0,0,255); points=316. 164.8000 326. 164.8000/ polyline fill=none style=stroke-width:.05;stroke:rgb(0,0,255); points=316. 165.8000 326. 165.8000/ polyline fill=none style=stroke-width:.05;stroke:rgb(0,0,255); points=316. 166.8000 326. 166.8000/ polyline fill=none style=stroke-width:.05;stroke:rgb(0,0,255); points=316. 167.8000 326. 167.8000/ /svg Why does this happen. 'am I missing something. Please help with any input. Thanks, Nathan - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership SPONSORED LINKS Computer internet security Computer internet business Computer internet access Computer internet privacy securities Computer internet help How to format a computer hard drive YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. - Switzerland Mobile: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
Re: [svg-developers] Please help. How can I get width of text element?
Either you calculate or guess the text width, or you use information provided by the browser if it provides this. Batik and ASV provide this information through their API. Not sure if FF native ecmascript provides it. Did you look it up in the SVG Wiki? It might be there. http://wiki.svg.org Ronan On Monday 14 November 2005 12:40, algornik7 wrote: Please help. How can I get width of text element? - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. - Switzerland Mobile: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: protecting SVG is pointless - was Re: [svg-developers] Protect SVG - Was Re: Today's Joke: Printing SVG in IE
I'm wondering if the result of the conversion (svg picture) is not important? It still contains some geographic data: rivers, borders, roads, ... . As I've read here, some GIS companies probably insert a watermark (to the coordinates of the river, border and road elements?). That would be very useful in my opinion. The existance of the features does have value, but not the same value as the position of the features, or the interconnectivity of the features. The cost/benefit relationship of leaving the original GIS data unscaled and unmolested when rendered into SVG is something that the SVG authors need to take into account when deciding what to show, and how to show it. Of course, it is possible to dump the entire GIS data model at 100% accuracy, into an SVG drawing. However, this is where the line is drawn between what is possible, and what is a bad idea in business. There is a reason why colour photocopier machines do not actually provide 1:1 copying... To prevent forgery of paper currency. To prevent 1:1 copying was a business decision by the photocopier vendors prompted by governments. In fact, I propose to you that if an SVG application were to provide 100% of a commercial GIS model with 100% accuracy, the SVG application vendor would find themeselves in breach of contract for reselling the data model where they only have a license to display it. Ronan Ronan Jeroen Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. - Switzerland Mobile: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Help me if any one known
Your questions are only slightly related to SVG. These are xslt and xsl-fo questions. I recommend you contact your vendor. Ronan On Monday 14 November 2005 14:22, sachin chourasia wrote: i am using formatter v 3.3. 1-How can i invert the image in svg. 2-i am using barcode in our project, how can i implement those barcode's in svg. In svg they are creating bar code with seperate strips, can i take my barcode as a image, i can't use strips. 3- border style i am using border-spacing to create space in column border but it is not working, border-spacing is already implemented in formatter v 3.3. If any one knows any other attributes please send me. how i create a border styles which is differ from boder-styles attributes in XSL-FO. i need attribute to create border style not an array or any other way. 4-how i magnify the text horizontally and vertically. Thanks Sachin - Enjoy this Diwali with Y! India Click here [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. - Switzerland Mobile: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: problem in rendering SVGT on K600! please help folks!
Tomi, Neither URLs render on konqueror OR Firefox 1.5 rc2. However, they both render using the bitflash 'xsvg' SVGT viewer on my linux workstation. Does ikivo require any namespace info,etc? Ronan On Monday 14 November 2005 15:12, Antoine Quint wrote: Hi Antonio! Can you post a URL of the test servlet? By the way, the CX65 is also powered by Ikivo, so it looks like it may be a Sony Ericsson specific issue we're dealing with here I apologize for such a late response. Actually I was away and could not respond your mail. I copied the same HTTP header from SVG content sent via Apache into the servlet SVG content. However still browser get crashed in K750i and K600. Servlet URL: http://62.119.127.226:8080/th/svgt/svgt-servlet Apache URL: http://62.119.127.226:8080/line.svg There is no difference in content sent via servlet and apache. One thought is that may be both K750 and K600 has same version of Ikivo player installed and Siemens may have some older version. However I am not sure about that. I also attached the SVG content alongwith HTTP headers sent via apache and servlet. I am sorry once again for late response. Tomi Larsson --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Antoine Quint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On 10 nov. 2005, at 01:44, tomilarsson wrote: I checked this on SonyEricsson K750 as well and it gives the same result, however when I do this on a Siemens-CX65 device with embedded SVG fonts, it just work fine. Please help me... im confused. Can you post a URL of the test servlet? By the way, the CX65 is also powered by Ikivo, so it looks like it may be a Sony Ericsson specific issue we're dealing with here. Antoine -- Antoine Quint � Fuchsia Design SVG Client-side XML Consulting W3C SVG WG Invited Expert http://fuchsia-design.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. - Switzerland Mobile: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: protecting SVG is pointless - was Re: [svg-developers] Protect SVG - Was Re: Today's Joke: Printing SVG in IE
On Monday 14 November 2005 09:31, Jeroen Vanattenhoven wrote: More I see SVG, less I understand why people want to 'protect' it. If we were talking about high-grade artistic images or clipart, I might would understand the reasoning. However, since most of us are talking about GUIs and web applications with serverside componetns, I simply do not see the point. What about GIS data? Currently there are a lot of GIS projects using SVG. I can imagine that GIS companies would like to protect their data. Jeroen Jeroen, SVG does not have to contain GIS data. GIS data is about geospatial features, wheras SVG is about 2-d image rendering. Normal GIS data is stored in its own format, then transformed to SVG. Because of this, the GIS data is degraded when it is rendered as SVG because it has been transformed. Ronan -- Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. - Switzerland Mobile: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: protecting SVG is pointless - was Re: [svg-developers] Protect SVG - Was Re: Today's Joke: Printing SVG in IE
On Monday 14 November 2005 10:05, Jeroen Vanattenhoven wrote: In projects our research group is working on, there are GIS companies involved. So when we get there data (in Shape format), there is already a watermark present? Jeroen, Are you using GIS data or SVG pictures of the GIS model? SVG is a model of a picture, whereas GIS is a model of geographic data. A picture of a car is not the same as the engineering drawing of a car. And a screenshot of an Autocad drawing does not give away the car CAD drawing. There is loss in the conversion process, and the same happens with GIS-SVG transformation. Ronan -- Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. - Switzerland Mobile: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
protecting SVG is pointless - was Re: [svg-developers] Protect SVG - Was Re: Today's Joke: Printing SVG in IE
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Re: [svg-developers] SVG, SWF Conversion
For open-source toolkits Take a look at: autotrace, imagemagick, pstoedit For workflows to go between format types, mostly raster-to-svg, but also some vector-to-vector, take a look at ROIT Systems's online conversion tool: http://www.roitsystems.com/cgi-bin/r2v/tracer.pl Ronan On Thursday 10 November 2005 20:27, Ali G. wrote: I am doing a literature review on the work that has been done in converting these two formats (SVG and SWF) into each other. If you are aware of any article, website, application or person who has done something in this subject I would love to hear from you. Thanks a lot. Ali G. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. - Switzerland Mobile: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Need help to find out the SVG viewer for HP-UX
Hi, Bitflash makes an X-windows viewer that works as a standalone binary on any X-comlatible system. The last time I saw it, it covered essentially SVGT plus some additional tags. Bitflash may be willing to sell copies of it. Ronan On Friday 11 November 2005 11:13, sridhardammala wrote: I am in the process to get the SVG viewer for HP-UX. Can some one give any pointer to the website form where i can down load same? Thanks in advance. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership SPONSORED LINKS Computer internet security Computer internet business Computer internet access Computer internet privacy securities Computer internet help How to format a computer hard drive YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. - Switzerland Mobile: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] How to create Bar graph in svg
You can do this by hand, or you can use a programming solution serverside for it. Take a look at http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?SVG::Template::Graph Ronan On Friday 11 November 2005 07:12, chorasia_1707 wrote: hi, i am new in this group. please tell me how to create Bar,pie Chart in svg Thanks sachin - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership SPONSORED LINKS Computer internet security Computer internet business Computer internet access Computer internet privacy securities Computer internet help How to format a computer hard drive YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. - Switzerland Mobile: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers]
Hello Laurent, The hii message was a spam-with-virus attempt to send junk to the list that was caught by yahoogroups and stripped of its dangerous attachment. (The message was most likely sent by a mail-sending robot). There are a lot of attempts on mailing lists to send virus-rich trojan horses, and this was one of these messages. You can expect to receive 1-2 per day of these messages that make no sense. You simply need to ignore those messages. All the best, and welcome to SVG-Developers. Ronan On Wednesday 09 November 2005 21:22, laurent svgmaniac wrote: This is my first time looking at my yahoo messages (not a mailer -maniac), I don't know how exactly is it works ! No in fact i was just look at discussion on the svg group ( and find a lot of information) ..Thanks a lot ... But who say H ps: i'm french , so hope my english is not soo ugly !!! ADS Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hii [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership - YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership SPONSORED LINKS Computer internet security Computer internet business Computer internet access Computer internet privacy securities Computer internet help How to format a computer hard drive YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. - Switzerland Mobile: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] svg-to-wmf?
Hi all, Does anyone know of a batch tool that would support svg-to-wmf conversion? Image::Magick does some, but it is incomplete and too slow. Ronan -- Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. - Switzerland Mobile: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] RE: svg-to-wmf?
Great, I'll take a look at your offering. Thanks. On Thursday 10 November 2005 14:02, Jeroen Dekker wrote: www.visual-integrity.com -- Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. - Switzerland Mobile: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH Fraumunsterstrasse 25 8001 Zurich Switzerland Tel: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 private: ronan at roasp dot com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Good SVG Drawing-program
Hi Stig, Some good free drawing tools that work on linux and win32 are: sodipodi http://www.sodipodi.com inkscape http://www.inkscape.org These two applications are generic vector-drawing tools that support the full SVG palette. I have been using inkscape quite a bit lately and have found it very useful. if you require specialized drawing tools, or a purpose-built solution that provides you simple drag/drop functionality based on pre-selected SVG icons and shapes, Vectoreal (http://www.vectoreal.com) could help you identify a commercial solution. Contact me offline if would like further information about this. All the best, Ronan -- Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. - Switzerland Mobile: +41 76 527 3552 Fax: +41 44 274 2402 On Thursday 10 November 2005 15:45, stig_kronback wrote: Hi, I need a small and simple program that can draw svg - drag drop style (no hand-coding). For making simple, static illustrations in SVG. At present I am using Visio of MS to do it, but modifying the code with links afterwards is too time-consuming. And Visio generates strange and complicated SVG. Suggestions anyone? Cheers, Stigur - Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] SaveSnapshotAs with ecmascript
Sure, On Saturday 05 November 2005 01:08, nboire wrote: Hello, It is possible to call the SaveSnapshotAs method with javascript with a svg in a embed element ??? Hi, yes it is possible to do the equivalent to SavceSnapshotAs with scripting: You can easily do this by grabbing the root SVG element, serializing the tree below it, and putting the resulting SVG into a text string. However, the next step requires that you send it to the server where the document came from, since you can not access the local filesystem. Then, the user retrieves the document form the server you posted the string to. Ronan -- Ronan Oger Founding Partner, Vectoreal http://www.vectoreal.com Reply to: ronan dot oger at vectoreal dot com Vectoreal ...for scaleable solutions Standards-compliant XML user-interface and graphics solutions Tel: (CH) +41 76 527 3552 Tel: (CA) +1 604 608 2968 Fax: (CH) +41 44 274 2402 Fax: (CA) +1 604 608 2968 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] SVG-friendly Ajax frameworks
I am also doing the same thing: modifying a current ajax framework (Perl's very nice CGI::Ajax module) to work with native (or at least stand-alone) SVG as well rather than to rely on embedded content. I do not recommend building anything new around adobe's getURL functionality unless you also provide support for native javascript support. Building your application around a plugin that is 3 years out of date is a serious strategic mistake considering that there are four alternate sources of browsers out there that provide the same functionality natively... I suggest that you use the native javascript http support instead. Ronan On Thursday 03 November 2005 01:53, Piero Cavalieri wrote: I think u could use existing Ajax frameworks without modify it. For example I use Ajax .NET with svg, but I had to embed svg in aspx page. If you don't want to embed it, I think u should extend the library to add getURL support (but I didn't try it). For AJAX .NET there seems to be only one file to modify: ajax.js. Let me know if u do the job. Cheers Piero Robert Russell ha scritto: If I were looking for an existing framework for ajax that would be easy to extend for SVG, where should I look? Anyone have experiences or examples they'd like to share? - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group svg-developers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Il contenuto di questo messaggio e' confidenziale e la lettura non autorizzata dello stesso viola i diritti di privacy del mittente e del destinatario. Se avete ricevuto questo messaggio per errore siete pregati di rimuoverlo dal Vostro sistema. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership SPONSORED LINKS Computer internet security Computer internet business Computer internet access Computer internet privacy securities Computer internet help How to format a computer hard drive YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ronan Oger Founding Partner, Vectoreal http://www.vectoreal.com Reply to: ronan dot oger at vectoreal dot com Vectoreal ...for scaleable solutions Vectoreal is a Web2.0 company. We provide standards-compliant XML user-interface and graphics solutions for the web using SVG and other vector graphics standards. Tel: (CH) +41 76 527 3552 Tel: (CA) +1 604 608 2968 Fax: (CH) +41 44 274 2402 Fax: (CA) +1 604 608 2968 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] svg applications
Alwinovicz, Generally speaking, there is no reason to use SVG where html works better, and html works very well at forms and text rendering. Where svg is useful is in applications involving contextual information delivered visually. This is of course why GIS has been quick to adapt SVG as a presentation layer. To find applications using SVG, you have to look for applications that need to provide image data. One of these is bioperl, http://www.bioperl.org/ a genetics analytics framework for academics developped in Perl. The graphical output of bioperl is SVG. Also, you will find a number of monitoring systems using SVG for the rendering layer. There are very few SVG apps on the general-use internet because of the lack of a common viewing solution. Internet applications require a high penetration of the technology on the browser before they use it, and the svg browser support is simply not there at this point to justify web apps for the general public written in SVG. You will, however, find SVG applications in intranet solutions which need to show meaningful data visually. To find these, you generally need to find out what applications support the technology. For example, Oracle 10g on upwards support SVG output of their data... But this is essentially only used in intranets. Of course, there is also the mobile sphere which is far more interested in SVG solutions (but these are not svg applications per se but applications that deliver SVG content). Ronan On Monday 31 October 2005 03:23, alwinovicz wrote: Hi, I still need some more help for my diploma. Does anyone know where I can find serious svg-applications besides cartographical ones? I think of things like booking systems for airlines ore cinemas, of which I know they exist but can't find them. I'm also happy about any tips where svg is already used for uses with economical background, for any kind of customer service, things like that. Thanks in advance, Alwinovicz - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ronan Oger Founding Partner, Vectoreal http://www.vectoreal.com Reply to: ronan dot oger at vectoreal dot com Vectoreal ...for scaleable solutions Vectoreal is a Web2.0 company. We provide standards-compliant XML user-interface and graphics solutions for the web using SVG and other vector graphics standards. Tel: (CH) +41 76 527 3552 Tel: (CA) +1 604 608 2968 Fax: (CH) +41 44 274 2402 Fax: (CA) +1 604 608 2968 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
