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Hello Roelof, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 2:49:24 PM, you wrote: RO Hallo MikeD, RO On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:18:49 -0400GMT (10-10-2006, 19:18 , where I RO live), you wrote: RO You're not able to connect, is that with pop3, smtp or both? M Both. When I try to receive or send email with TB, it goes out and M begins the process ... after about 20 seconds I get a could not M connect to the server in the log file. RO Could not connect to the server is an odd error. You tried this: RO smtp.googlemail.com TLS to port 465 RO pop.googlemail.comTLS to port 995 RO smtp authentication enabled of course, but don't select 'secure RO authentication' RO Otherwise I can't think of anything. I think I tried that ... but I have tried so many variations that I am not sure :-/ RO Can you access your account via gmail's web interface? M Yes, I can get on through gmail's web interface see messages in the M inbox, read them and send messages (well, one anyway g). RO Just to make sure that had the right username/password. I checked that several times ... sort of. I suspect that the problem revolves around how to reconcile the idea that it is not a 'pure' gmail account. I will just have to keep experimenting with various combinations of things :-/ Thanks for the suggestions. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Alexander, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 1:00:49 PM, you wrote: ASK Hello MikeD (2) everyone else, ASK on 10-Okt-2006 at 13:35 you (MikeD (2)) wrote: I suspect that the problem is that it is a 'hosted' email, that is, it is not an '@gmail.com' address, but a different 'domain' that is being serviced by gmail. ASK I have no idea what you mean with this. The email is through the google gmail service but does not have an '@gmail.com' domain. ASK As far as I know you can specify ASK different outgoing mailaddresses (which is problemating due to various ASK spam filtering techniques like reverse lookups and SPF), but I wouldn't ASK know how to process incoming email from with the gmail account (other ASK than a forwarder - gmail has no POP3 collector service that you can use ASK to retrieve other accounts... or at least mine hasn't). ASK Other than that, try to use a regular connection for POP3 instead of ASK STARTTLS. Yup gave that one a try too without luck. But thanks for the suggestion. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
Hello Roelof, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 8:36:41 AM, you wrote: RO Hallo MikeD, RO On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:35:52 -0400GMT (10-10-2006, 13:35 , where I RO live), you wrote: MI have been through that one, but I am still not able to connect. MI suspect that the problem is that it is a 'hosted' email, that is, Mit is not an '@gmail.com' address, but a different 'domain' that is Mbeing serviced by gmail. RO What exactly do you mean with 'serviced by gmail'? Serviced by: in the sense that the actual email address is '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' ... gmail is not mentioned in the email address. When I log in through the gmail website that is what I have to put in as the user name ... complete with the domain on the end ... in order to log in. Apparently it is a service that they are offering to third parties. RO You're not able to connect, is that with pop3, smtp or both? Both. When I try to receive or send email with TB, it goes out and begins the process ... after about 20 seconds I get a could not connect to the server in the log file. RO Can you access your account via gmail's web interface? Yes, I can get on through gmail's web interface see messages in the inbox, read them and send messages (well, one anyway g). And yes, I enabled pop access in the settings screen and verified that it says pop enabled. RO Without any specifics it's hard to give a solution. Sorry, I didn't notice I lost the details I thought I had cut and pasted from the letter I sent to gmail support :-/ And thanks for the help. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Mary, Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 7:58:44 AM, you wrote: MB Hello MikeD! MB On Tuesday, October 10, 2006, 6:35 AM, you wrote: OK ... this is related to this thread: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forum/read.php?FID=4TID=2349 I have been through that one, but I am still not able to connect. I suspect that the problem is that it is a 'hosted' email, that is, it is not an '@gmail.com' address, but a different 'domain' that is being serviced by gmail. MB Ah. Yes. I have tried variations on various combinations of 'gmail', 'googlemail' with and without the hosted domain name without any joy. Has anyone gotten this particular rig to work? MB I think mine is what you are wanting to do. However, I did not set it MB up by myself, so I don't know the particular settings that must be MB used. MB Leif Gregory, a TB! lists moderator, both sent me the Gmail invitation MB and set up the association for me. MB Perhaps he will notice this thread and give you some advice. I can only hope g I am sure that the thing that is messing TB up is that the address is not an '@gmail.com' address. It is a 'thrid party' domain that apparently google is hosting for them ... or something like that. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Good day, Roelof. RO Hallo Chuck, RO On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:06:39 -0400GMT (4-8-2005, 19:06 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: CS How do you get the uptime (i.e. [uptime :: 0d 8h 29m]) in your message templates? RO Maybe this helps? RO http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/downloads/management/uptime/default.asp :) There is macro plugin called uptime. I just formatted it's output... -- WBR, Vladimir 'insider' Prohorov mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [email only]|[3MB inbox]|[ICQ #179598229]|[RLU #389152]|[Skype inside_r] The Bat! 3.51.10 OTFE @ Windows 2003 (5.2.3790.) [uptime :: 0d 0h 13m] pgpX8XM44Jper.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
Good day, Roelof. CS How do you get the uptime (i.e. [uptime :: 0d 8h 29m]) in your message templates? RO Maybe this helps? RO http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/downloads/management/uptime/default.asp VP :) There is macro plugin called uptime. I just formatted it's VP output... RO And where would one find that plug-in? I have no www link, but I have a FIDO address of developer - 2:5054/66.29. His name Alexander Zykov. I have version 0.3 and can put it somewhere like rapidshare.de or mytempdir.com. Or I can mail it to you (~25 kb). -- WBR, Vladimir 'insider' Prohorov mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [email only]|[3MB inbox]|[ICQ #179598229]|[RLU #389152]|[Skype inside_r] The Bat! 3.51.10 OTFE @ Windows 2003 (5.2.3790.) [uptime :: 0d 0h 21m] pgp7A2GoTXUxD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Roelof, Thursday, August 4, 2005, 4:54:35 PM, you wrote: That would be nice. VP Or I can mail it to you (~25 kb). Yep, but that wouldn't help Chuck, who started the thread. Vladimir e-mailed it to me direct. Works great as you can see and is easy to configure. -- Best regards, Chuck Smith Using The Bat! 3.5.30 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 [uptime :: 1d 0h 58m] Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
Good day, Roelof. VP :) There is macro plugin called uptime. I just formatted it's VP output... RO And where would one find that plug-in? VP I have no www link, but I have a FIDO address of developer - VP 2:5054/66.29. His name Alexander Zykov. RO That's too late for me. I stepped out of fidonet in April. So passes our life... VP I have version 0.3 and can put VP it somewhere like rapidshare.de or mytempdir.com. RO That would be nice. http://rapidshare.de/files/3658285/uptime03.rar.html I don't know, how long it would be available, but... -- WBR, Vladimir 'insider' Prohorov mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [email only]|[3MB inbox]|[ICQ #179598229]|[RLU #389152]|[Skype inside_r] The Bat! 3.51.10 OTFE @ Windows 2003 (5.2.3790.) [uptime :: 0d 0h 51m] pgpaNpgaGaLWz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Editing subject in stored email
Hæ! Monday, October 18, 2004, 14:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: POPFile amedns the subject with a word such as [spam] prepended. Why not disable this option in Popfile and filter instead on X-Text-Classification: spam in the header? Yes I thought of that but the problem of later re-filtering remains doesn't it? Whatever the 'mark' and whatever the filter condition still needs to be altered to prevent later filtering back into the spam folder. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.0.1.33 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Editing subject in stored email
Hi
Monday, October 18, 2004, 2:41:05 PM, you wrote:
On Mon 18 October 2004, 22:31:20 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I need to be able to edit the subject of the email to remove the
[spam] prependation (ohh I like that word!).
If I go to the mailbox and open it in a text editor I don'r seem to be
able to achieve the effect desired.
Any easy ways? Any thoughts?
Here's my solution to editing a received message without changing header
date/time.
The following filter writes the message to a text file and then runs a
cmd file (D:\Batch\editmsg.cmd) that opens it in my text editor, and
when the editor is closed re-imports it into the inbox of my account
named personal. To change the account name, change the parameter at
the end of the line that starts RunExternal.
The filter is executed by CTRL-ALT-SHIFT-E.
Change to suit your paths and text editor. Note that this is as
automatically converted from a v2 filter to a v3 filter, so it might
benefit from some tuning.
TB! Message Filter
beginFilter
UID: [4AA35E40.01C4B193.09E630C8.30EE97ED]
Name: Edit\20Message
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`0`0`\0D\0A}
ExportMessage OverwriteExist FmtUnix filename e:\5Ctemp\5Cedit.txt
RunExternal RunHidden CmdLine d:\5Cbatch\5Ceditmsg.cmd\20personal
MoveMessage folder \5C\5C\5CTrash
IsManual
IsContinue
IsActive
IsHotkey
IsHotkeyOnly
Ignore
IsSendQueue
endFilter
,- [ D:\Batch\editmsg.cmd ]
| D:\Program Files\UltraEdit\UEDIT32.EXE e:\temp\edit.txt
| d:\progra~1\thebat~1\thebat.exe /importu=%1;f=Inbox;X;IN=e:\temp\edit.txt
`-
Just drag the message to the OUTBOX and then open the mail and edit it :-)
--
Morpheus
Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [the_bat] Re[2]: Editing subject in stored email
Hello TBUDL, Just drag the message to the OUTBOX and then open the mail and edit it :-) Dang, that was too easy. Thanks for this tip, it works great. I had the same problem with PopFile and was watching this thread. After reading this solution, I find it the fastest and easiest way to change the Subject line. Thanks again... -- Best regards, Michaelmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Daily Bible Verses at http://freeop.blogspot.com/ Registered Linux User #367776 Advantages of being messy: One is constantly making new discoveries. pgpAl60ikkf1W.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Zeynel, Monday, September 20, 2004, 5:31:18 PM, you wrote: ZAO Hello Elena, ZAO Monday, September 20, 2004, 4:22:15 PM, you wrote: EM I want to unsubscribe from here, how can I do this? ZAO While this message open (or any TBUDL message), go specials menu | ZAO mailing list | unsubscribe. Send the message. Thank you! I have never known such a feature. This is my last email here, thanks, take care to anybody here, and good luck! -- Best regards, Elena Using The Bat! 3.0.0.15 on Windows XP 5 Build 2600 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Darrin, receiving is v2.12.0 Tuesday, August 3, 2004, 8:41:30 PM, you wrote: Hi pk, On 8/3/2004 7:59 AM my time, pk wrote: pr have been sending cc to one of my other accounts in other location pr using thebat v2.12, Is the receiving e-mail program V2.12 or just the one your sending it from? pk roy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] using TB! v2.12.0 W2K SP4 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
Monday, December 15, 2003, 11:05:21 AM, you wrote: RO Folder template? Following unsub instructions ... sigh I wonder if it worked??? lol! Lynn -- TheBat 2.02.3 CE Win2kPro SP2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject) - unsub
Monday, December 15, 2003, 12:12:20 PM, you wrote: RO Depends on your folder template. RO If it contains %to=[EMAIL PROTECTED] it will work, if it RO contains %to=%to=[EMAIL PROTECTED] it won't. There's no template involved ... I just sent a *bare* mail, apart from the commands ... but I think it worked; these messages didn't come to the old address ... cool! But I figured I'd better change my password :-) Lynn TheBat 2.02.3 CE Windows 2000Service Pack 2 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
Monday, December 15, 2003, 3:52:56 PM, you wrote: MDP Doubtful. The listserver doesn't read commands sent to the MDP list. You MDP have to send them not to TBUDL@ but to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It seems to have worked ... messages are no longer coming to the other address. It didn't come out quite the way I'd planned, but it seems to have worked .. Lynn TheBat 2.02.3 CE Windows 2000Service Pack 2 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
I must be dense. I've been searching on Google for about 20 minutes. I haven't come up with one file yet! On Sunday, December 8, 2002 at 1:57:39 PM you wrote: DG Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:23:42 [GMT -0600] (11:23 AM EST here) Michael S. DG Hyatt wrote: Where can I download cookie files? DG See DG http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg50674.html, DG which suggests that you search the Web for tag lines. DG Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 95 4.0 Build B Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
Marck: That did it. Thanks. I'm new to this list. What is top posting? Did I do something wrong? Thanks, Michael S. Hyatt On Sunday, December 8, 2002 at 2:38:11 PM you wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Michael, @8-Dec-2002, 14:16 -0600 (20:16 UK time) Michael S. Hyatt [MSH] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Where can I download cookie files? DG See DG http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg50674.html, DG which suggests that you search the Web for tag lines. MSH I must be dense. I've been searching on Google for about 20 MSH minutes. I haven't come up with one file yet! http://www.google.com/search?hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8q=taglines (and please don't top-post here) - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE98620OeQkq5KdzaARAnKzAKChUru+TzU1EpFQpVOgdn7l7PxKmwCgrxkk 8KUHGjr29Zee2vjuze1vE3U= =ehgE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
On Sunday, December 8, 2002 at 4:42:55 PM you wrote: MSH What is top posting? Did I do something wrong? ACM ACM Ooops! Yes, you did. ;) Okay, is that better? ;-) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
Hello Ladies and Gents, On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, at 15:44:27 [GMT +0200] (which was 14:44 in my TimeZone) you wrote: MO On Thursday, October 3, 2002, 15:07, Michael Thompson wrote: I have just noticed that the new virus, BugBear looks into *.tbb for email addresses. Am I correct or is the first virsus that targets The Bat! message files for email harvests?? MO Not to question you, but how do you know that? If your AV stopped MO BugBear from infecting your computer, how do you know that it scans .tbb MO files? http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Michael http://.thompsonmike.co.uk/ PGP KeyID := 0x3CC985FA Wedding: A funeral where you get to smell your own flowers. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
Hello Ladies and Gents, On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, at 21:23:15 [GMT +0200] (which was 20:23 in my TimeZone) you wrote: DH Hello wenewcomb! DH On Thursday, October 3, 2002 at 6:46:00 PM you wrote: I mean this is an AVG function. I find no option in the FREE version either to enable or to disable this. In fact, I was unaware of the software's ability to do this. DH Did anybody already mentioned the words conversational posting or DH don't bottom-quote to you? DH If not, I'd like to do it: Please, refrain from bottom-quoting, DH particularly if you don't cut your quotes in the reply. I was about to, then realised I forgot the subject, so just sunk in embarassement. -- Best regards, Michael http://.thompsonmike.co.uk/ PGP KeyID := 0x3CC985FA I am not my long-lost twin Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
Hello Paula, Since I would much prefer to consolidate email and newsgroups in a single client, I doubt I would be using the TB if not for its folder templates. I use TB for both e-mail and newsgroups. If you are interested in knowing how, look for subject Newsgroups with The Bat! and MailTraq in the list archives. Or I can forward the message to you if you wish. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.60c Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
Hello Marck, On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, at 16:48:57 [GMT +0100] (which was 16:48 in my TimeZone) you wrote: MDP Hi Michael, MDP @11-Sep-2002, 14:16 Michael Thompson [MT] in MDP [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MT Hey People, why did my copy of the Bat! just try to connect to MT www.download.windowsupdate.com on port 80? MDP Nah... Outpost has the wrong app. TB just plain wouldn't do it. How MDP strange! My thoughts exactlyThe Bat would not ecven respond if a request on Port 80 was cast, as it dos'nt listen to HTTP requests. Let alone make them! I check with OutPost Support! -- Best regards, Michael http://.thompsonmike.co.uk/ PGP KeyID := 0x3CC985FA Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
Hello Thomas, On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, at 23:46:10 [GMT +0700] (which was 17:46 in my TimeZone) you wrote: TF Wild guess: a trojan disguises itself as The Bat!, and maybe it's part TF of a DDoS attack on the windowsupdate site. TF Does Outpost use MD5 verification for the apps? Yes it does, and I did a full Trojan / antiVirus scan and nothing. (Latest updates). I am very confused by this! -- Best regards, Michael http://.thompsonmike.co.uk/ PGP KeyID := 0x3CC985FA Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
Hello Thomas, On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, at 23:46:10 [GMT +0700] (which was 17:46 in my TimeZone) you wrote: TF Does Outpost use MD5 verification for the apps? It appears to be this message in tbbeta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Every time I open it it trys to connect...any one know why??? -- Best regards, Michael http://.thompsonmike.co.uk/ PGP KeyID := 0x3CC985FA Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
Hello Thomas, On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, at 00:50:05 [GMT +0700] (which was 18:50 in my TimeZone) you wrote: TF Now I'm baffled. Let's think of a scenario: Because you don't have the TF root certificate in your AB, TB tries to connect and download it (I TF don't think TB does that, but let's humour the idea). For some reason, TF the windowsupdate file is trigged and redirects the connection to its TF site. Likely? TF I don't think that TB has a module that connects to port 80. I have never had this before! And many messages I get do noot have a RC in the address book. And The Bat! certainly has never tried to connect on Port 80 ever.. -- Best regards, Michael http://.thompsonmike.co.uk/ PGP KeyID := 0x3CC985FA Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Reply Subject
Hello Ottar, Saturday, March 02, 2002, 4:22:47 PM, you wrote: CC I put %SINGLERE on the first line of all my reply templates on CC it's own. OG But this will create an empty line in the start of the massage. I OG prefere to put it in the bottom. Put %- at the end of %SINGLERE. See 'Full alphabetical list of macros' in help file. Hans Henrik -- Using: The Bat! v. 1.53d Windows 95 Major version 4 Minor version 0 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: (No Subject)
On Friday, May 04, 2001, 3:56:54 PM, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MEM The Bat seems determined to reload most of these messages from MEM the server so obviously they are not being deleted. I don't know why that would happen. I have always found the leave on server option works fine. Out of interest why leave them on the server? I have never quite understood that Delete messages from server when emptying trash option myself shrug. I have six accounts set up, most with leave mail on server, so that messages end up collected by e-mail clients at various locations. One of my providers (my cable at home) has been having lots of trouble with their pop server. From time to time, all the messages from there may get downloaded again on every mail check. The kill dups in all folders option is a great benefit when this happens. Eudora mailboxes just end up with multiple copies and no easy means (that I have ever discovered) to eliminate them. If your messages are reloading, your problem may be at the server end. MEM Any help on either of these issues is appreciated. I'd hate to MEM have to go back to Eudora but I will if I can't resolve these MEM annoying problems. My desktops at home and at the office both still are running Eudora. I'm too cheap to buy more Bat! licenses. My laptop, which usually follows me anywhere, is where TB! resides, and has become almost the only place I ever mess with e-mail. I can't imagine going back to Eudora. I hope this has helped a bit. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.52 on Windows 98 version 4,90 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Fwd: Re[2]: (No Subject)
This is a forwarded message From: Mark E. Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marck D. Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, May 04, 2001, 3:52:09 PM Subject: (No Subject) ===8==Original message text=== Marck, Right. I do that. Thanks. Mark MDP In that case, you'd do better to use the Leave message on the server MDP for X days option. ===8===End of original message text=== -- Best regards, Markmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: (No Subject)
Hello Marck, Friday, May 04, 2001, 1:56:54 PM, you wrote: MDP You have to use the Account specific network settings in each of the MDP Account .. Properties .. Network configuration screens to separate the MDP way each account operates. Doesn't work. MEM I get mail from both accounts (pop.we.mediaone.net MEM pop.mindpsring.com) MDP It is very possible that you can connect to both account POP servers MDP using either dial-up connection type. Sorry, I think I'm misunderstood here. I WANT to get mail from both accounts. This was just a statement of fact. MEM but only send mail out of the cable account MEM (smtp.we.mediaone.net). MDP Outgoing mail leaves TB using the account details of the specific MDP account outbox used to create the message. Yeah, this is no problem. But I have reset the mindspring account to its own server for both in and outgoing mail. MEM It also changes my identity to one or the other when it changes MEM both accounts' pop accounts. MDP You identity would change as you change which account is being used to MDP create mail. Again, I'm just not being clear enough. I mean the account settings themselves change. For example, in the properties menu the identity chances from MARSE to AMAZE. Hopefully using the network specific info you provided will help. MEM Also, I selected Leave messages on server as an option. But I MEM also checked Delete messages from server when emptying trash. MDP And when do you have TB set to empty trash? On exit. I still get messages that have been deleted next time I log on. MDP I hope this has helped a bit. Yes, thank you. -- Best regards, Markmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Replacing subject of incoming mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Urban On 28 April 2001 at 04:22:58 +0200 (which was 03:22 where I live) Urban wrote Now it's only the part of finding out some way to do this automatically remaining. I seam to remember that Dirk Heiser wrote something called [cut] which took out part of a message body. This is not what is wanted but this idea. - -- See you in Cyber space, ___ David | MUA:- The Bat! 1.52 Beta/12 | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2000 Server 5.0.2195 SP1 | International | | This tagline is made just for Brian Durham | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4-2 (MingW32) Comment: GnuPG Signed, sealed, delivered. iD8DBQE66oOR+Yrx5mUPRTQRAnWrAJ93Sv6jmNKK7f9Qy+yKsn8Fi8TngACdHqVy rVACbvZPydPVxafhw9n8WUM= =a6I6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Replacing subject of incoming mail
Hallo Syafril, Mitteilung vom Freitag, 27. April 2001, 06:20:02: SH Hello Bernhard Kohl, BK is there a way to filter incoming messages so that a subject BK AW: x is replaced with Re: x? SH I thought this already covers on FAQ (Regex), see at SH http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com. Sorry, of course I've read the FAQ before asking but all I've found is how to reduce Re[2]: to a single Re: or somethig like that for ***outgoing*** messages. There are some macros (templates) for ***replying*** but I want this for ***incoming*** messages. Did I miss something? Thanks, Bernd -- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Replacing subject of incoming mail
Hi David van Zuijlekom, On the Friday, April 27, 2001, U wrote: DvZ So you want to alter the subject line from incoming messages. I dont' DvZ think this can be done automatically. I think you have to do it DvZ manually. Move the message to the Outbox and alter the subject. But DvZ if you do that you also change the headers. I'm not sure, but he might try something someone mentioned about striping HTML... I think idea is to set in actions to Forward to or Create message to with template that will put original headers into new message you created... I played a little with this, but not for a long time... I don't know if it will help at all... -- Till the next time, all the best... ANT-ilic -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: (No Subject)
Hello Jonas, On Sunday, January 21, 2001 15:59:28 [GMT +0100], you wrote the following in regards to '(No Subject)': Jonas Centuries ago Nostradamus foresaw [...] Do you think Nostradamus foresaw a subject for this thread just forgot to put it in his journals? ;-) -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Using TB! v1.49 ICQ 41116329 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: (No Subject)
Hi Allie, On Monday, December 18, 2000 @ 07:16:46 -0500 you wrote the following in regards to (No Subject): Allie [...] I have personally not disabled TB!'s warning messages Allie except for those file types which I know are safe. I'd rather deal with Allie the pop-up [...] Where/what are these pop up warning msgs? Thanks. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition PGP ID: 0x4C9CDF9D -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: (No Subject)
Hi Curt Headers below. Anyone on top of this? The message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] was automatically generated by the infected winsock.dll. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is informed about the infection. So let's ignore this thread now. So short, Beat -- Using The Bat! 1.48d under Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- PGP public key available: Send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or get it on keyservers: 0x4E0B0777 (DH/DSS) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: (No Subject)
Hello A., Thursday, December 14, 2000, 3:15:38 PM, you wrote: GFS Is there a way to modify/Add X-Headers in The Bat! ACM You could add it as a comment. ACM %Comment="X-Header here" Were would this go? In a template or.? -- Best regards, Georgemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: (No Subject)
Hello Manfred, Sunday, December 10, 2000, 12:44:16 PM, you wrote: ME On 10-12-2000 at 12:33:55GMT -0800 (which was 20:33 where I live) ME George F. Schoelles wrote regarding the subject of "(No Subject)" George I'm trying to run BattleMail Kung-Fu and am receiving an ME Hello George F., ME And what would this one be?? ME Regards Check out http://www.battlemail.com -- Best regards, Georgemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: (No Subject)
Hello Januk, Sunday, December 10, 2000, 1:08:31 PM, you wrote: JA Hello George, JA On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 at 12:33:55 GMT -0800 (which was 12:33 PM JA where I live) witnesses say George F. Schoelles typed: I'm trying to run BattleMail Kung-Fu and am receiving an smapi logon error (won't accept password). Which I never had a problemwith under Eudora. Any ideas? JA Does this program use "Simple MAPI"? If so, have you installed MAPI JA support for TB? Yes and no, I'm used to smapi being included. Guess I'll hunt around for an smapiplug-in. -- Best regards, Georgemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: (No Subject)
Actually, no, removing myself from both lists and forgetting about the folder's addressing override. Not to worry. Gone now. :-) (or very shortly, anyway) That's a shame. Bye then! -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "That's gonna take some SERIOUS software." -- Avery Brooks PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: (No Subject)
Hello Tom, Thursday, July 27, 2000, 10:38:40 AM, you wrote: JDW Hello Rasyad, JDW Thursday, July 27, 2000, 1:02:19 AM, you wrote: R unsubscribe JDW not again JDW ==message to moderators JDW I've resisted the temptation this time. TP Is it really that hard to simply direct flames at the user TP specifically and not the mailing list as a whole? TP Not that I think flames are appropriate, but I think the list is the TP *wrong* place to remind people of unsubscribe issues since they're TP likely ignoring it already. Well technically it's not a flame. It's a little joke aimed at the moderators after I was smacked down by them earlier for flaming someone for a poor unsub attempt. Also although the mods have probably already removed him from the list the message might have got through to him. I did not think the e-mail deserved a off list status as it was aimed at all moderators and off list mails to moderators should be proper off topic posts/apologies. -- From Jamie Dainton [Work] Thursday, July 27, 2000 12:15:32 PM The Bat! 1.45 S/MIME Windows 98 4.10 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: (No Subject)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Gerd, Saturday, July 01, 2000, 3:19:28 AM, you wrote: GE -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- GE Hash: SHA1 GE Hello Dean, GE Saturday, July 01, 2000, 9:24:38 AM, you wrote: *** PGP Signature Status: good *** Signer: Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Invalid) *** Signed: 01.07.00 10:24:37 *** Verified: 01.07.00 10:12:48 *** BEGIN PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE *** GE GE Are you sure you mean verification of key ? Or do you mean verification of GE signed message ? GE The first thing you sould check is the word-wrap settings in PGP and in TB!: GE PGP-setting should lower or equal TB-settings. (PGP.Option.Email-tab.checkbox GE at bottom; TB.Option.Editor_preferences.Wrap_text_at..) GE HTH GE - -- GE Best regards, GE Gerd Well, it appears that you are getting exactly what I would like to see Signature status good... I don't get any of that to happen. Comment: Digitally signed for authentication purposes ! Gerd Ewald iQA/AwUBOV2bgUy/sHrVbGGHEQL7FwCgtpB7QpSw5HfS36zvTdgc44zUNlcAoJEh n3mj7BnBWx5xp0yb+Zt46t3o =tal1 - -END PGP SIGNATURE- This is how it is comming accross to me. I gave your suggestion another try by reducing below 70 with The Bat and PGP at 65. I will see how that goes. I did try the Privacy options... I'm missing the boat somewhere, just can't figure where ;) Thanks, Dean -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOV2zgh0siaeAk5aqEQJuNQCgyefwErCUYEcT+pes5w3U0szyrS8An1z1 Wu39VF95XEbbmVGyc2smrHb1 =/WiM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: No Subject warning
Greetings John!
First I had to TRACK DOWN "(No Subject)" and which technically *IS* a
subject. If it really was NO SUBJECT then there would be
Subject=""
Which still isn't the case. Which is why
Okay man, I got 5:870 messages with "(No Subject) in TBUDL.
That's FIVE out of EIGHTHUNDRED AND SEVENTY MESSAGES! This is not
"Frequent!" This is not a widespread problem!
Out of those FIVE MESSAGES,
Julio Cesar da Costa jcc@ositedotcomdotbrWrote ONE MESSAGE
Nick Andriash andriash@homedotcomWrote TWO MESSAGE
Jamie Dainton jamie.dainton@lineonedotnetWrote ONE MESSAGE
Larry Barrett larry@kyotecdotcomdotbrWrote ONE MESSAGE
That's FOUR PEOPLE OUT OF NINETY EIGHT PEOPLE!!
That's also hardly a frequency worth mentioning.
BTW-I don't see you in there. As of 9-DEC-1999
Anyone want to do further statistics? Like say someone that has 40K
messages in their little database? I know there are people out here
that have 40,000+ messages...
Okay, let's ADD YOU, for a ratio of 5:98 so FIVE PEOPLE
out of NINETY EIGHT PEOPLE, wrote messages with no subject.
5 in 98, Sure is frequent. Wow. Let's round it off to 6/100
6% No Subject
94% With Subject
-=-=-=-=-=-=- Better RE-THINK this FALSE STATEMENT -=-=-=-=-=-=-
"Gaping, gap-toothed presence"
-=-=-=-=-=-=- Better RE-THINK this FALSE STATEMENT -=-=-=-=-=-=-
"Embarrassment?"
You consider, the ability to SEND a message the way you want, without
a nag, embarrassing.
While I consider it a GODSEND not to have restrictive NON-RFC
Compliant nonsense imposed on me.
And RFC 822 shows this:
=== BEGIN
3.1.2. STRUCTURE OF HEADER FIELDS
Once a field has been unfolded, it may be viewed as being com-
posed of a field-name followed by a colon (":"), followed by a
field-body, and terminated by a carriage-return/line-feed.
The field-name must be composed of printable ASCII characters
(i.e., characters that have values between 33. and 126.,
decimal, except colon). The field-body may be composed of any
ASCII characters, except CR or LF. (While CR and/or LF may be
present in the actual text, they are removed by the action of
unfolding the field.)
Certain field-bodies of headers may be interpreted according
to an internal syntax that some systems may wish to parse.
These fields are called "structured fields".Examples
include fields containing dates and addresses. Other fields,
such as "Subject" and "Comments", are regarded simply as
strings of text.
Note: Any field which has a field-body that is defined as
other than simply text is to be treated as a struc-
tured field.
Field-names, unstructured field bodies and structured
field bodies each are scanned by their own, independent
"lexical" analyzers.
=== END
Okay, These fields are regarded as "strings of text" it says. Well ""
is *MY* string of text! And there's nothing in the RFC's that say that
shouldn't happen. After all NOTHING *IS* a string.
However if I choose to put something meaningful into that field, to
help YOU SORT through theres nothing wrong with that either, yet if
you REQUIRE ME to have a pop-up NAG SCREEN then your treading on my
shoes.
Your forcing *YOUR TEXT* into the field described by RFC 822/ on *MY*
message, and that my friend don't go down well with homey the clown.
Neither is a Nag-pop-up when it's MY OPTION (as per RFC 822) to leave that
field blank.
Okay, next question, what the hell do you mean by "ordinary users?"
Are you insinuating something here? Nevermind. We won't go there.
I AM Registered /PERSONAL . Ask Stef.
No need to play dirty tricks. The truth will set you free.
READY_
On Monday, May 15, 2000 at 11:51:06 GMT +0900 (which was 7:51 PM where
you think I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
JDH phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TP User configurability is the key.
Where have I heard that before? Yes, user configurable, right now it
*IS* configurable, you type in the subject/or lack of subject, and off
you go.
JDH There are several users of this list who could have been saved the
JDH embarrassment of sending subject-less messages to the list if a simple
JDH warning message had been implemented. The existence of these frequent
JDH subject-less messages, with their gaping, gap-toothed presence in the
JDH thread tree, points to the need for such a function. It is beyond belief
JDH that people would oppose such a function. Ordinary users don't oppose it.
JDH Ritlabs needs to listen to ordinary users, else it will find itself with
JDH a shrinking piece of a growing pie.
JDH --
JDH John De Hoog, Tokyo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JDH Japanese email software: http://dehoog.org/html/j-email.html
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Re[2]: No Subject warning
Greetings Jast! On Monday, May 15, 2000 at 07:13:04 GMT +0200 (which was 10:13 PM where you think I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: J Morning John De Hoog, Ordinary users don't oppose it. Ritlabs needs to listen to ordinary users, else it will find itself with a shrinking piece of a growing pie. J Gee, howcome this topic seems to be every-ones favorite debate area? J Anyway, as it came up moths ago, I suggested putting some big fat evil red J text in the subject line like "no subject" when there is no subject there. J It wouldn't be sent if you decide not to enter a subject. It's J unintrusive. People agreed with me. Still the case? No, cause, I don't see it in the RFC 822 personally, and if it ain't there, then it's fluff. And it's an annoyance as far as I'm concerned, since, the Subject line is treated as "TEXT" and if I want my GODAMN TEXT to say "" then that is what I want. I don't want a NAG SCREEN, or something MODIFYING MY GODAMN MESSAGES -- ... All You Really Need is "The Information." So, Get The Bat! --- The Bat! 1.42f + 98Lite + Revenge of Mozilla II -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: No Subject warning
Greetings John! Well the Good Net Keeping Seal of Approval, does not set the internet Standards, the RFC's do. Which if you look up RFC 822, you see that the Subject is treated as a TEXT STRING. And to FORCE your BS on my MESSAGE is not what the RFC's SAY. The GNKSA is the BS-DOO-DOO-GNKSA as far as I am concerned They DO NOT WRITE THE GODAMN RFC'S! You distort the truth, by saying that it is a BIG problem. You Cut the Line of the RFC, by forcing something into my Subject field that I DO NOT WANT. And you add a NAG-POP-UP, and BLOAT~!!! And now you make jokes about it. Since your USING EdMax Ver2.67.1 anyway, WHY THE HELL SHOULD YOU EVEN CARE? So Stick it WHERE the sun don't shine! On Monday, May 15, 2000 at 14:23:23 GMT +0900 (which was 10:23 PM where you think I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: JDH Jast [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ordinary users don't oppose it. Ritlabs needs to listen to ordinary users, else it will find itself with a shrinking piece of a growing pie. Gee, howcome this topic seems to be every-ones favorite debate area? Anyway, as it came up moths ago, I suggested putting some big fat evil red text in the subject line like "no subject" when there is no subject there. It wouldn't be sent if you decide not to enter a subject. It's unintrusive. People agreed with me. Still the case? JDH I wonder what the Good Net Keeping Seal of Approval (GNKSA) JDH recommendations say about this. (I don't have time to check right now, JDH but am curious.) My feeling is that users who do what you suggest are JDH the least likely to need the feature, and those who are new to The Bat! JDH and its foibles are the most likely to get tripped up a few times before JDH they get around to taking that measure. And only those who are JDH conscientious enough to wade through the thickets of this news group are JDH going to know about it anyway; most people won't think of this idea on JDH their own. JDH -- JDH John De Hoog, Tokyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] JDH Japanese email software: http://dehoog.org/html/j-email.html -- ... No Pid's that we don't need The Bat! Acapulco Bat is air noise.. ah A Bad as$ need! - Cheech and BatChong --- The Bat! 1.42f + 98Lite + Revenge of Mozilla II -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: No Subject warning
Greetings Marck! On Tuesday, May 16, 2000 at 09:27:13 GMT +0100 (which was 1:27 AM where you think I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: MDP Hi phil, MDP On 16 May 2000 at 00:57:31 GMT -0700 (which was 08:57 where I MDP live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject MDP of "No Subject warning": my (censored) TEXT to say "" then that is what I want. I don't want a NAG SCREEN, or something MODIFYING MY (censored) MESSAGES! MDP I have to say something moderatorial here about profanity and shouting MDP being unacceptable in this forum. Okay? Keep it cool, fellas, and MDP let's move on from this topic now. ACKNOWLEDGED on my Side. -- ... Catch The Bat! Who Remembers Catch the Blue Wave Anymore!? --- The Bat! 1.42f + 98Lite + Revenge of Mozilla II -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: (No Subject)
Hello Januk, On Monday, May 15, 2000 at 23:31:35, you wrote: ... JA All you need to do is delete the appropriate value from your registry JA and TB will automatically import your old message bases. The JA appropriate registry setting is under, JA HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat! JA Delete the value, JA MessageBaseVersion JA This should do it. And it did! Thanks. It's running now :) Best regards, JulioE-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: (No Subject)
On Friday, May 12, 2000, 6:13:33 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: which you could then save with the message if you so desired. What happens when the message is changed? :) Nothing actually... you just have a visual record that you've verified the signature of that particular message. Nick -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: TIA: Subject field empty notify - plus MicroSpell hot key problem.
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Tuesday, February 01, 2000, Januk Aggarwal wrote to Thomas Fernandez on TBUDL about TIA: Subject field empty notify - plus MicroSpell hot key problem.: was dicussed on TBUDL, most people were against a "warning message" JA ^^^ JA I wouldn't say most people were against the idea, I think it was JA more like the most *vocal* people were against the warning message. Let's vote? JA :) Based on the logic presented in favour of other warning JA messages, I still fail to see why there was such a ruckus about this JA one... Time wasting. JA oh well, let's not go into that Dead Horse anymore. :) It's up to you ;) -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.39 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: (No Subject)
Sunday, January 09, 2000, 22:21, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: CJT Isn't this something to be taken care of by the server? I CJT mean that when the massage is send to TBUDL.UNSUB CJT address, it shouldn't be sent to TBUDL/TBBETA even if lists' CJT addresses are in To: (the massage should be filtered out). TF When you double-click on the unsubscribe link, the message is for some TF reason sent to both UNSUB and the list. I don't know why. I don't think it is. I see all unsub messages and they are all sent by the server to myself and Syafril. Not one of them has an origination address of [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMHO when a SUB/UNSUB is seen on the list, it is because the message is being sent to *both* addresses. Hello Marck, Create a TBUDL template using this macro: %TO="TBUDL[EMAIL PROTECTED]". Now when you double click on the unsubsribe link, your message will be sent to the list too. The reason is the macro. Some people forget that, when they unsubscribe. -- Best regards, Jürgen -- Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 PGP-key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGPkeybody=Send%20PGPkey%20of%20Frisch Key ID: 0x371AFB16 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: (No Subject)
Hello Tim, Wednesday, January 05, 2000, 2:28:42 AM, you wrote: Note: I'm a new user too and I just went through this. It's really not that hard if you can export them all at once and as long as they contain all of the headers in each text message. TF I can export all the messages in one textfile, or each message TF individually. However, I can't export all the messages individually, TF at the same time. Does that make sense? Can you tell us which e-mail client you've been using so far? Maybe someone else here has had some experience with it (I know some people in this mailing list claim to have tried out almost every client in existence... ;] ) and could give you some tips. Have you tried exporting into one file and then importing as UNIX mailbox format? Maybe it'll work... If you can, do it folder by folder, though. Otherwise you'll have all 5000 mails in one mailbox! ;] -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *---* Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 on a PII/233, 96 MB RAM, 4 GB HDD *---* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: (No Subject)
Hello Allie, Wednesday, January 05, 2000, 1:42:16 PM, you wrote: TF I can export all the messages in one textfile, or each message TF individually. However, I can't export all the messages TF individually, at the same time. Does that make sense? Have you tried exporting into one file and then importing as UNIX mailbox format? Maybe it'll work... If you can, do it folder by folder, though. Otherwise you'll have all 5000 mails in one mailbox! ;] AM The .msg file format allows you to export multiple messages, AM individually at the same time. Each message is stored as it's own AM separate file. But as Tim stated, he can't really do that from his mail client, apparently. It seems as though he cannot select all messages in a folder, say, hit export as .msg, then off he goes. Shame, but there you have it - it's why he's moving to TB!, I guess! *grin* -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *---* Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 on a PII/233, 96 MB RAM, 4 GB HDD *---* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Tuesday, January 04, 2000, 7:28:42 PM, Tim Fountain wrote: I can export all the messages in one textfile, or each message individually. However, I can't export all the messages individually, at the same time. Does that make sense? You can export messages to individual files if you setup a filter with the action "Save message to file". For example, you could set this up as a manual "read messages" filter. The only problem with this is that you can either include ALL of the kludges or NONE of the kludges... -- Take care, Travis -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hey Tim, Wednesday, January 05, 2000, 6:06:59 PM, you wrote: Can you tell us which e-mail client you've been using so far? TF Pluto. Maybe someone else here has had some experience with it TF I think that's unlikely. Pluto is one of the mail clients for a TF minortiy platform which has 100,000 users worldwide. Just 'coz I'm infinitely curious: which platform? :] Have you tried exporting into one file and then importing as UNIX mailbox format? TF Yes - it just says 'no messages imported'. TF I've just checked again, but as I thought, I can only export the TF messages into one textfile. I can export them with or without TF headers, make them !rmail separated or not, remove sigs; but still TF only into the same textfile. TF What exactly is the UNIX mailbox format? I would have thought that TF would be my best bet here, but it doesn't seem to work. Well, UNIX mailbox (AFAIK) just exports the messages as their text version, with full headers (Kludges, as TB! calls 'em), and at least one empty line between messages (where each message starts with a From). If you try the export function without !rmail separated, maybe that's closest to this format... For your reference of what it should look like, I've included a ZIPped version of a UNIX mailbox file of some of the messages of this thread. Maybe that'll help? You can use your text editor of choice to compare and see which exported format comes closest... - -- L8r! Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Today's hidden secret: ~~ When G-d was creating the human race, he lined up all the males on one side and all the females opposite. Then he asked, "Which of your species would like to urinate standing up?" Well, the males went crazy, shouting that they wanted to pee standing up. "Fine", says G-d, "Women get multiple orgasms." ** Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on an Athlon 500 MHz, 256 MB RAM, 10 GB U2W HDD, TNT2U ** -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOHOaubfqRmh+VoydEQLuRACgx5/6RmkFK0/lkILcxB7bC3Cd3/YAoNiw TYMZ5jUFYA+c/oBBMP3uSHmF =a7fx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- test.zip
Re[2]: %cursor was: Re[2]: (No Subject)
Morning Steve Lamb, My reply to this is a little belated, I guess. I just remembered what I wanted to write ;-) Toggle macros are just like checkboxes. On, off. OTOH, they do take up space[*] unless you tack them onto the end of a line somewhere and then you can't see them. That's just what I do and I have no problem with it :-) But the real issue is also consitency. Actually, a macro in Bat! only makes sense when a certain element has to be placed in a certain position within the message. This is the case with %cursor, %ofromname, %windowsversion etc. but not with information belonging in the To field or subject. So to stay consistent, the following options would be logical from my current POV: - set all information regarding the message in the macro field - the way it is - add additional macro fields for From, To, CC, BCC, Subject. - set all information that does not have to be positioned within the message in seperate entry fields -- +--Jast |on Windows 98 4.10 Build A :with The Bat! 1.36 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: %cursor was: Re[2]: (No Subject)
Monday, November 22, 1999, 6:47:19 PM, Thomas wrote: OK, so by default the cursor should always go into the header, even if there is data (TO/Subject/...) already. Unless there is a %SkipHeader macro. This defines the default as opposite to what I was thinking of, but I get your point. Just want to reiterate for the general readership, not just for you. The point is that the behavior of the program should be consistent. If in certain cases it places the cursor somewhere it should place the cursor there in other cases, even if the circumstances are slightly different, unless told to do otherwise. This is because even though data is in there it is not readily apparent why the header entry was skipped this time, but not another. However, what if there is no To recipient but a %SkipHeader macro, should the %SkipHeader macro be ignored? Or how to you suggest to deal with that situation? No, if %skipheader is present, skip the header. Consistency. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: %cursor was: Re[2]: (No Subject)
Monday, November 22, 1999, 7:26:01 PM, Paula wrote: I would say that if the user has put a %SkipHeader macro in the template, then TB shouldn't worry about whether or not there is anything entered in the header, unless the intent is to allow the %SkipHeader only if the TO is filled in. I don't see the need for having to ensure that the TO is filled in. Neither do I since the TO field doesn't need to be filled in for a valid message. ;) It would be nice to be able to start in the body. That it would. I like the idea of a template definition, just not sure if I want to fully endorse another template macro which is nothing more than a toggle that is better served, IMHO, by checkboxes on the templates. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: %cursor was: Re[2]: (No Subject)
Morning Steve Lamb, That it would. I like the idea of a template definition, just not sure if I want to fully endorse another template macro which is nothing more than a toggle that is better served, IMHO, by checkboxes on the templates. I prefer template macros. They are more versatile (in regard to usability - you never know what functionality you could add to a macro) and don't take up window space if you don't use it. Really, I don't like long option lists. Of course, macros should be well documented... -- +--Jast |on Windows 98 4.10 Build A :with The Bat! 1.36 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: %cursor was: Re[2]: (No Subject)
Tuesday, November 23, 1999, 2:03:17 PM, Jast wrote: I prefer template macros. They are more versatile (in regard to usability - you never know what functionality you could add to a macro) and don't take up window space if you don't use it. Really, I don't like long option lists. Of course, macros should be well documented... Toggle macros are just like checkboxes. On, off. OTOH, they do take up space[*] unless you tack them onto the end of a line somewhere and then you can't see them. [*] Put %singlere at the top with a CR to make it look decent, you'll note that your messages use the CR. ;) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: %cursor was: Re[2]: (No Subject)
Hi Jast, on Wednesday, November 24, 1999, 6:03:17 AM GMT+0800, Jast wrote: That it would. I like the idea of a template definition, just not sure if I want to fully endorse another template macro which is nothing more than a toggle that is better served, IMHO, by checkboxes on the templates. J I prefer template macros. They are more versatile (in regard to J usability - you never know what functionality you could add to a J macro) and don't take up window space if you don't use it. Really, I J don't like long option lists. Of course, macros should be well J documented... I think a macro makes sense if you have inoput, such as an email address in the %TO= macro. If a marco is in truth just a yes/no switch, as this %SkipHeader would be, I'd agree with Steve and would prefer it to be a checkbox. Same holds true, by the way, for the %Singlere macro: IMHO it should be a checkbox. -- Best regards, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: %cursor was: Re[2]: (No Subject)
Hallo Oleg, On Monday, November 22, 1999, 8:57:38 PM (GMT+0800), Oleg Zalyalov wrote: It has nothing to do with %cursor macro, while is reasonable wish. But I'm afraid it is hardly implementable, while it does work so when you hit reply. PF Well, it would seem that it is implementable, since it works that way PF with Replies. OZ What I meant is that when you do reply the message it is clear that OZ most probably you will not want to add anything to to, cc, bcc and OZ subject fields by hands, and cursor should be placed to the text edit OZ area. When you create a new message or forward it is not so clear. Unless you have already %To (and maybe %Cc and %Bcc) and %Subject macros in your template. OZ Anyway, there should be another independent switch and not the change OZ of %cursor macro functionality. You mean a switch like a %SkipHeader macro? Disclaimer: This is a question, not a suggestion. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38 Beta/2 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: %cursor was: Re[2]: (No Subject)
Hi Steve, on Tuesday, November 23, 1999, 2:33:19 AM GMT+0800, Steve Lamb wrote: SL Monday, November 22, 1999, 6:15:22 AM, Thomas wrote: You mean a switch like a %SkipHeader macro? SL That would work. I'd actually like to see the current behavior of the SL reply template changed so that it, too, does not skip the header input but SL allow something like this to let the user decide. OK, so by default the cursor should always go into the header, even if there is data (TO/Subject/...) already. Unless there is a %SkipHeader macro. This defines the default as opposite to what I was thinking of, but I get your point. However, what if there is no To recipient but a %SkipHeader macro, should the %SkipHeader macro be ignored? Or how to you suggest to deal with that situation? -- Thanks for expl, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: %cursor was: Re[2]: (No Subject)
On Monday, November 22, 1999, Thomas Fernandez wrote: OK, so by default the cursor should always go into the header, even if there is data (TO/Subject/...) already. Unless there is a %SkipHeader macro. This defines the default as opposite to what I was thinking of, but I get your point. This sounds like a real possibility. :) However, what if there is no To recipient but a %SkipHeader macro, should the %SkipHeader macro be ignored? Or how to you suggest to deal with that situation? I would say that if the user has put a %SkipHeader macro in the template, then TB shouldn't worry about whether or not there is anything entered in the header, unless the intent is to allow the %SkipHeader only if the TO is filled in. I don't see the need for having to ensure that the TO is filled in. I would leave it to the users to use the macro in the appropriate situations. They'll quickly change it if they have to backtrack up the header to fill in TO. I suppose this is a small item in the lexicon of improvements that TB needs, but when you are churning out dozens of messages where all the header information is set in the template, but something has to be added to the body, all that tabbing takes quite a bit of time. It would be nice to be able to start in the body. I agree that the Reply should be consistent, since most of the arguments for why the the cursor should start in the header, such as wanting to add addresses, apply equally to a Reply. However, I now use the Reply template in some cases to skip the header. I wouldn't like to see the Reply made consistent without this %SkipHeader ability. -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.36 (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Sunday, November 21, 1999 Hello Ali, Sunday, Sunday, November 21, 1999, you wrote: Ali Hi all, Ali tracer wrote: Now what do YOU say about the 10th patient who comes sneezing in your office on a day... Ali You really didn't need to use my profession to get your point across. I already made this comparison ( locally) many times. In a way it has a lot in common, except that the computer cannot tell why he doesnt feel good. And you have the interpreter (the owner) who half the time caused the problem and will not agree it was his fault. He may not even realise it. One good example here is portables which have a sleep mode. If used it means the 98 never makes the system backup on the first boot of the day. And those backups are very very important. Consider the similarities and you know what I mean. Most of the time its treating the owners, not their systems, to get them into better habits. And it can be damned hard work to stay friendly and explain it for the 20th time or whatever. However, as you say on this list and others one has a choice. One can ignore questions one wants to ignore... Ali I see that you're trying to give an example of having to deal with Ali repetitive queries. Now, a profession like mine deals with something Ali like this everyday and I can give you real world examples. Thats why I mentioned it... Ali Gallstones and Hernias are extremely common. I would see on average 3 Ali to 4 patients per week with each. Each patient expects an explanation Ali of the problem, it's treatment, the nature of the surgery and when Ali they'll be able to go back to work. Unlike usenet though and over a Ali phone line, I can't simply be curt or unfriendly telling them to go Ali read a manual or that I'm tired of saying the same thing over and over Ali again. Ali Another common scenario is an elderly patient that comes in with all Ali relatives flocking around. The elderly patient is sick and requires Ali emergency surgery and I have to communicate this, not only to the Ali patient but to the concerned relatives as well. They of course begin Ali to state their concern about their elderly relative being able to Ali tolerate major surgery in such an ailed state. I now have to go Ali through the whole risk-benefit analysis behind my decision. It's not Ali unusual for this to be happening at ungodly hours of the morning when Ali I'm tired and working for the last 18hrs. Furthermore, after doing the Ali operation, the keen relative will be awaiting my arrival from out the Ali operating room. Unlike TV soap operas, the keen relative will not Ali accept, "The surgery went OK, and he/she should do fine", as being Ali adequate information at the time. They expect a more in depth Ali explanation of the findings and the implications etc. They expect it Ali then and there. See what I'm getting at? I have to do that, explaining Ali the same things, day in and day out. I know but you think one hasnt got that problem if like I myself was supporting a major part of our Europe/Middle East and Afika Computer operations? They had systems dying / getting sick at all times, and everybody considered theirs to be unique, Again you couldnt tell them to get stuffed and if you tried to help them too quick (as it was the 10th time that day or so someone came with the same question), they say you arent interested in their problems... Ali This is why you see me posting at ungodly hours at times. I'm either Ali at home for a break or winding down to go to bed. :) Same here And it gives you time to relax! Forget the daily other problems Ali So three things: Ali a) In all my years of having to deal with people of all sizes shapes, Ali ages, ethnicity, social status, cultures; I'm yet to meet one with the Ali type of 'hard skin' that Steve expects them to have. correct... And if these are paying customers they never come back. The reason I try to keep my partner as far away from the customers as I can... Ali b) If it's so frustrating to answer these questions, why answer them Ali then? You do have a choice on this group you know. The frustration Ali that is possible through having to repeat oneself in this group dims Ali in comparison to what my profession entails. I'm not saying that I Ali don't get frustrated myself, but I don't dare let the patients or Ali relatives realize this or else it will come back to haunt me, and it's Ali also rude and unkind. correct... Ali c) If someone makes a suggestion that is their own selfish desire I Ali really don't think the developers at Ritlabs will suddenly implement Ali it, especially on this very basis, unless it's a compelling and truly Ali useful suggestion. So why bully them? Furthermore, I genuinely don't Ali think anyone who suggests changes to TB!, on this discussion list, are Ali doing it out of selfish desire. The fact that they post the suggestion Ali on this discussion list is testimony to this. They post it for Ali discussion and to see how others may
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Sunday, November 21, 1999 Hello Steve, Sunday, Sunday, November 21, 1999, you wrote: Steve Saturday, November 20, 1999, 3:11:27 PM, Ali wrote: explanation of the findings and the implications etc. They expect it then and there. See what I'm getting at? I have to do that, explaining the same things, day in and day out. Steve I certainly do. In my 3 years of tech support at a small ISP I rarely had Steve a customer complain about me, I was considered the best tech on staff, got the Steve customer's problems resolved the fastest, was often sent out to customer's Steve homes and offices to fix problems they had incurred upon themselves. Only Steve once did a customer ever hear me blow up and that was because of a improperly Steve programmed mute button on a phone. 3 years, a couple hundred calls a day. How many times the same Questions(g)?? main problem with isp problems is that if something suddenly doesnt work the poor user things he messed it up and starts to fix things after which the lot probably IS corrupted. I made them a list and rule number one is NOT to change any settings... Steve What I have described and what you have described, however, are two Steve different things. That is work, this is not. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38 Beta/2 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Given the two choices of bosses, I'd rather take the one who knows what he is doing and is a little rough around the edges than the one who doesn't know what he is doing, makes my life and job hell, but, damn, can he state it politely. I wouldn't prefer either boss if the one who knows what he is doing is rude, talks down to everyone, and has an oversized ego. He's no better than the other because he's not going to get anything accomplished either. The ones that truly impress me are the ones that know what they are doing AND have some social skills to go along with that. I've actually had bosses that know nothing technically, but they were great bosses because they knew it. They handled the political side and let me handle the technical side. Personally, I think politeness at the expense of accuracy of thought and communication is a detriment. It throws up illusions that everything is hunky-dory when, in fact, it is not. When the party in the grips of the illusion realizes that, it is far, FAR worse than just coming out, up front, and stating the case instead of pussy-footing around. But politeness doesn't have to be at the expense of accuracy of thought. And more often than not, rudeness detracts from those accurate thoughts. You can be direct and to the point without including rudeness. Society has gotten a little *too* polite and it is time for it to change. If there's one thing I don't like it's all the Political Correctness stuff these days, and I THINK that's what you are aluding to because I really don't think the world is becoming more polite, it seems to becoming less polite. But politeness and PC are two different things. It really is possible to be polite and get a point across at the same time. I noticed that everyone listened to and learned from your great description of MUA etc, myself included. :-) Thanks, Kevin -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Hello Alexander, Sunday, November 21, 1999, 4:12:02 PM, you wrote: AVK Hi there! AVK On 21 Nov 99, at 9:53, Steve Lamb wrote AVK about "Re: (No Subject)": Sunday, November 21, 1999, 6:36:55 AM, Alexander wrote: *many* people on this list *do not* understand your American slang Funny, I'm not using slang in the least bit. AVK Funny, then how comes that I hardly understand *you* when AVK *clearly* understanding Paula Ford and (most of the time) Ali AVK Martin? Of cause, my English is quite limited (besides, I AVK presume *your* Russian is even worse then that, am I right?:- AVK )), but it *needn't* be better then it is. I have *no need* in better AVK English at all: almost all non-Russian-speaking mathematicians AVK I'm communicating with routinely speak English even worse AVK then I do; morethanthat, we usually clearly understand each AVK other. AVK Besides, my level of understanding English (based on my own AVK experience on the good number of English-speaking mailing AVK lists) shows, that you're probably the only *native* English- AVK speaker whose English is (sometimes) hard for me to AVK understand. (Oh, pardon, there's one Australian on Pegasus AVK mailing list too, but that's a completely other story: he just hates AVK to use commas and periods:-) Kind of I know all the words he AVK uses, but it's extremely hard to gain the meaning:-))) AVK I know absolutely *no* American slang, but basing on the AVK above-stated thoughts I came to the strong conclusion that it's AVK slang that I'm finding myself hard to understand in your AVK postings. If I'm wrong here, my apologies directly to you. AVK SY, Alex AVK (St.Petersburg, Russia) What slangs do you not understand?, send e-mail to me privately and I'll help on the slangs I know. Now I'll will dust off my OLD high school russian / english dictionary. -- Best regards, Pasqualemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Saturday, November 20, 1999, 7:18:59 AM, Ali wrote: Hi all, Steve Lamb wrote: Friday, November 19, 1999, 11:10:13 PM, tracer wrote: But the people who are in need of that filter probably donot know how to make one. Maybe steve can post one (g) Hey, I had no problem creating one! 8^) Filter / Incoming mail / New Name: RM: Steve Lamb (RM means ReMove) Source Folder: Inbox Filtering String #1: String: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Location: kludges Present: yes Actions tab Check Delete the message box HaaHaaHaa! Well done Steve! snip You know Steve, despite our differences on certain issues and our heated debates, on and off list that often disintegrate into behavioral issues and personal attacks tongue in cheek, I've never thought of constructing one of the above on you. Strange perhaps, but true. Through all that static of your abrasive style, you do get through to me and I listen.:) Your are clearly well informed and have informed opinions that I've certainly benefited from and used to hone my own final opinions on certain issues. Ok, you've convinced me to deactivate that filter for a while, I'll try again. 8^) Unfortunately I'm just one person that has gotten used to you and just as how you promote rules of netiquette, your tone and abrasive style does come into issue and is pretty much written about in the rules of netiquette but in a more subtle, general fashion since being abrasive and unfriendly comes in all sizes shapes and forms so they cannot be specific as saying for example that you shouldn't quote excessively in messages or send HTML mail to discussion lists. See: http://www.albion.com/netiquette/rule1.html Thank you very much! This is a rule that I know *I* need to be reminded to read on a regular basis. - -- Watcher aka Bill DeVos |[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.aack.net/ | http://www.aack.net/watcher - - Feel good? Don't worry; you'll get over it! - - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBODh8cW14vvNVqX4UEQJq0QCfeKmRrOmiaxjP76vBD5K2bDa9I3MAoNvV E7MBzRTVwXQLsDguCrIUnCYP =NzO9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sunday, November 21, 1999, 8:00:11 AM, Steve wrote: Sunday, November 21, 1999, 4:07:05 AM, Ali wrote: M$ comparison snipped Personally, I think politeness at the expense of accuracy of thought and communication is a detriment. It throws up illusions that everything is hunky-dory when, in fact, it is not. When the party in the grips of the illusion realizes that, it is far, FAR worse than just coming out, up front, and stating the case instead of pussy-footing around. Society has gotten a little *too* polite and it is time for it to change. I'd like to agree... and disagree with you. I absolutely hate "political correctness" which is just a fancy way of saying "lying to make the other person feel good" and I don't do it despite the fact that that decision has made my road rougher at times BUT that is still no excuse for me to NOT consider the feelings of the person I am communicating with. Considering your position and your apparent success in that position you have the ability to relate the facts to the other person without being offensive or condescending. I think all that "we" are asking is that you use that talent with us as well as you do with your customers. - -- Watcher aka Bill DeVos |[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.aack.net/ | http://www.aack.net/watcher - - Do you dream in colors or do you discriminate ? - - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBODiCHW14vvNVqX4UEQL/UQCgxgIZMD2N5TsE9Gzd4lHNIVXaGW0AnAmE G9c6itIOugD9k1Fxy+iVVh1h =4awY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Sunday, November 21, 1999 Hello Steve, Saturday, Saturday, November 20, 1999, you wrote: Steve Friday, November 19, 1999, 11:10:13 PM, tracer wrote: But the people who are in need of that filter probably donot know how to make one. Maybe steve can post one (g) Steve Filter / Incoming mail / New Steve Name: RM: Steve Lamb (RM means ReMove) Steve Source Folder: Inbox Steve Filtering String #1: Steve String: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Location: kludges Present: yes Steve Actions tab Steve Check Delete the message box I KNEW you wouldnt be able to resist that one.. Keep posting as while it may not come over in in a way most people like, info in your messages is useful... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38 Beta/1 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Sunday, November 21, 1999 Hello Ali, Saturday, Saturday, November 20, 1999, you wrote: Ali Hi all, Ali Steve Lamb wrote: Friday, November 19, 1999, 11:10:13 PM, tracer wrote: But the people who are in need of that filter probably donot know how to make one. Maybe steve can post one (g) Filter / Incoming mail / New Name: RM: Steve Lamb (RM means ReMove) Source Folder: Inbox Filtering String #1: String: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Location: kludges Present: yes Actions tab Check Delete the message box Ali smile Ali I just gotta say: Ali You know Steve, despite our differences on certain issues and our Ali heated debates, on and off list that often disintegrate into Ali behavioral issues and personal attacks tongue in cheek, I've never Ali thought of constructing one of the above on you. Strange perhaps, but Ali true. Through all that static of your abrasive style, you do get Ali through to me and I listen.:) Ali, if you had been in support as long as Steve has been or lets say as I have been... From what I understand you are a medical doctor. Now what do YOU say about the 10th patient who comes sneezing in your office on a day... Ali Your are clearly well informed and have informed opinions that I've Ali certainly benefited from and used to hone my own final opinions on Ali certain issues. he is Ali Unfortunately I'm just one person that has gotten used to you and just Ali as how you promote rules of netiquette, your tone and abrasive style Ali does come into issue and is pretty much written about in the rules of Ali netiquette but in a more subtle, general fashion since being abrasive and Ali unfriendly comes in all sizes shapes and forms so they cannot be Ali specific as saying for example that you shouldn't quote excessively in Ali messages or send HTML mail to discussion lists. he is correct as I dump HTML in the bin unless it comes from certain newsletters. You send me a doc/xls/BMP etc and I will never get it Same with certain newsletters, if they want to use a spammers way of sending stuff they get dumped. Ali See: http://www.albion.com/netiquette/rule1.html Ali I welcome others to read. :) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38 Beta/1 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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In Reference to "(No Subject)" From Steve Lamb: SL Friday, October 22, 1999, 2:25:49 AM, Marck wrote: Message times are internationally corrected and usually work fine for sorting. Individual PC system clocks, however, are a law unto themselves ;-). SL geek SL Always good to have a tool to reset your PC's clock to one of the tier 2 SL servers. Personally I have my server syncing with 3-4 tier 2 servers and all SL my other machines sync off it. I generally don't see more than 1-2 seconds of SL drift on any of my machines. SL /geek dumbass I've never heard (or seen) the term "tier 2 server". Does this differ from using one of the atomic clock sites to sync with? /dumbass -- - Nick Nick Danger's Complimentary Curse (©¿©): May 65,535 sleazy telephone sanitizes spray-paint graffiti between your tonsils. Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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On 22 October 1999 at 16:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list: SL geek SL Always good to have a tool to reset your PC's clock to one of the tier 2 SL servers. Personally I have my server syncing with 3-4 tier 2 servers and all SL my other machines sync off it. I generally don't see more than 1-2 seconds of SL drift on any of my machines. SL /geek Ditto :-P (natch). Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.36 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Hi Paula, on Saturday, November 20, 1999, 8:38:11 AM GMT+0800, Paula Ford wrote: It has nothing to do with %cursor macro, while is reasonable wish. But I'm afraid it is hardly implementable, while it does work so when you hit reply. PF Well, it would seem that it is implementable, since it works that way PF with Replies. This is why I was wondering whether we should put it on that mnysterious wish-list. Anyway, I domn't want to start the whole thread all over again. Suppose i write a template for message which will always have to addressees, constant one and variable one and a constant beginning of a subject, and still want cursor to be at certain place in the message after I'll finish filling in the variable address and subject. What should I do, if I will have no possibility of using %cursor macro? PF Irreconcilable user preferences. This means there should be two seperate %Cursor macros: 1.) Where should the curosr be when I start the message (for example in the ehader, or in the body)? 2.) Once I tab into the body, where should the cursor be then? Number 2 is the current %Cursor command. Number 1 is the candidate for the wish-list. -- Best regards, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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On Thursday, November 18, 1999, 3:25:58 AM, Jast wrote: This template has 2 problems, one is that the cursor is in the to field instead of at the %Cursor position, This is normal for new messages... Problem is it's also normal when creating a message by clicking on an e-mail address. Why leave the cursor in a field that's already been filled in? -- Cheers Ian G. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Hello Steve, Your message from Thursday, November 18, 1999, 17:22 : "(No Subject)" SL Thursday, November 18, 1999, 7:56:24 AM, Ali wrote: Steve, please don't call peoples suggestions idiotic especially when it's not necessary. SL It was. An understanding of basic UI at the level of around an AOL user SL would be all that is required to deduce why the cursor is in the header field. People like Steve Lamb make it so hard for beginners to stay in this list. It is the arrogance of the skilled. As a beginner you just don't dare to bring a "silly" problem. And this is not useful for the further spreading of this good client. Didn't it happen so often in history of the mind, that "idiotic" ideas opened new horizons. Best regards Bernhard Kaiser (newbie) Using The Bat! 1.36 Under WINDOWS 95 Version 4.0 Build 1212 C -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Hello Steve, Thursday, November 18, 1999, 6:41:24 PM, you wrote: SL Thursday, November 18, 1999, 2:08:06 PM, Ali wrote: No, it is the point. People should learn to use the program, not the program to babysit the user. So you consider it babysitting. H. Oh boy. :) SL Yes, I do. When something breaks the internal logic of the UI just for SL the whims of a few people then it is babysitting. Uhm, you're the one on the side that wants to change things. The burden of proof is at your feet, not mine. What's this chicken and egg crap about? A point was brought up which you thought was ridiculous enough to be rude and call it idiotic. Prove why you say this instead of rationalize it like how I rationalize mine, then expecting me to do more than you do to make your point. SL Prove why the change should be made in the first place. That is why I SL said you are on the side that wants to change things. Proof must be given SL that a change benefits the majority of the users. That burden of proof is at SL your feet, not mine. From this paragraph, I can say Steve, that IMHO, you are simply being rude and that's your fundamental problem. This discussion list doesn't need any of it. It's downright disruptive and intimidates those who don't know you for who you are. SL Operative letters "IMHO" which is "in my humble opinion". In your opinion SL I'm being rude. In my opinion it is rude to think that one cannot speak one's SL honest opinions to other adults. That they must, in some fashion, be coddled SL and protected for the big bad words which, incidentally, in and of themselves, SL do no harm. I'm not here to treat you like a child, Ali, or presume that you SL would want such a thing. It is that presumption, that total arrogance that I SL consider rude. What makes it worse is your lack of insight into it because you find being polite political BS. That's crap and you know it. SL Hardly. You just can't be bothered and we are perhaps not worth the effort of a little of your politeness. I am saying all this so that others will know that we don't subscribe to this sort of behavior. SL I am being polite. I'm being polite in that I'm not going out of my way SL to insult you by talking down to you, insulting your intelligence and SL character. But to spend so much time and effort to say the same thing in a "polite" and "non-threatening" manner is just wasted time and effort. Get a thicker skin or get out of the way. Why be threatening in the first place? SL Notice the quotes. That means I *AM* taking the non-threatening manner. SL Just others are so used to being coddled they don't know the difference SL between straighttalk and threatening. I hope I do for if I ever got to the level where such small UI issues were the only matters of contention it would mean the world would have the most powerful and robust MUA around which, instead of worrying about small UI issues first it would have IMAP done and out the door, automatic LDAP updates, be lean, mean and well documented. But, hey, you want to debate where %cursor goes instead of insist on getting real work done, fine by me. That sounds rude again Steve. I am not shaken by it in the least but I need to indicate your rudeness. SL Rude? Maybe you're just not used to hearing the truth without all the BS SL pleasantries. No, rude would be a lot worse. Hey guys why don't you two take this private via phone or direct e-mail, I'am getting tired seeing two guys whine over something that should have been over long ago, and I'am sure I'am not alone. -- Best regards, Pasqualemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Beginners shouldn't really be making suggestions. Furthermore everyone is a beginner exactly once. I don't like things that are geared for beginners at the exclusion of those who aren't because of that. I was waiting for this. So now you get your way around here only due to seniority. Cute. You know, most people get over the "I know more than everybody else" stage sometime in their teens. Yes, they did. Normally, though, such ideas aren't ones that are rehashed and argued over every time a new person comes into the forum. For example... You've been on enough mailing lists to know what to expect. These things, among others, are what makes it hard for the experienced users to stay on this, and other, lists. They are topics that keep coming up ever 3-6 weeks with the new people. So I just hope it gets harder. Time for a Steve Lamb kill filter. Bye, Kevin -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
DEAD HORSE (was Re[2]: (No Subject))
On 21 November 1999 at 21:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] told the list: AVK Hi there! Hi Alex - nice to see you back on the list proper! :-) AVK On 18 Nov 99, at 22:20, Bernhard Kaiser wrote AVK about "Re[2]: (No Subject)": People like Steve Lamb make it so hard for beginners to stay in this list. This is the main point of the objections to the style of Steve Lamb's postings. As a matter of fact, although I misunderstood his writing style myself when he first appeared on the list, I have since found myself in complete agreement with what he has to say at most (if not all) times. That doesn't detract from the point that the bandwidth on the list goes through the roof whenever anyone wants to pick a fight with him. Sometimes it gets to be a very interesting read, but that doesn't stop it being off-putting for the newbie who just wants to know how the cookie files work or how to customize a template. Just as they pluck up courage to ask, they see another newbie getting *apparently* flamed for having the temerity to make a suggestion. Note the stress on the word *apparently*. After extensive study :-9, I can see that Steve is only standing for what is technologically correct. It doesn't change the impression received. Steve - any chance of a lowering of tone when dealing with newbies? Anyone wanting to take exception to Steve - any chance of *always* taking it off-list? AVK Okay, M$ *has* opened new horizons, hasn't it? They are AVK implementing all the idiotic ideas they find on their way, IMHO:- AVK ) Like the results? Exactly Steve's point .. and it is *so* true ... but, oh my, sigh the bandwidth ... and there are some that think M$ actually get it right - even to the point of recommending their products! AVK Second. I don't think Steve has chosen the right tone for his AVK recent postings to the list. It's just *my own* opinion, the AVK official one is up to the moderators. The official one is ... (off the top of my head) ... take it off list *as soon* as you find yourself 2 replies into an impassioned debate. I'm sure that Leif and Wolfgang would agree with me about that. It really does scare off the newcomers - the ones who *really* need the help this list has to offer. I have daily sight of the sign-in / out logs and many newcomers leave on the same day. I must do the stats on it sometime and see how much more quickly they leave when there is a heated debate like this one going down. :-) AVK Fourth. Let's finally stop this discussion, I (and _hopefully_ AVK many others) have lots of other things to do other then reading AVK your flames, half of which I hardly understand. Either write in AVK "literal" English so that everyone could understand, or AVK communicate with each other. As I see it, this very list is AVK pretty multinational:-)) DEAD HORSE PRONOUNCED! Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.37 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Re: DEAD HORSE (was Re[2]: (No Subject))
Hi all, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: snip People like Steve Lamb make it so hard for beginners to stay in this list. This is the main point of the objections to the style of Steve Lamb's postings. As a matter of fact, although I misunderstood his writing style myself when he first appeared on the list, I have since found myself in complete agreement with what he has to say at most (if not all) times. That doesn't detract from the point that the bandwidth on the list goes through the roof whenever anyone wants to pick a fight with him. Sometimes it gets to be a very interesting read, but that doesn't stop it being off-putting for the newbie who just wants to know how the cookie files work or how to customize a template. Just as they pluck up courage to ask, they see another newbie getting *apparently* flamed for having the temerity to make a suggestion. Note the stress on the word *apparently*. After extensive study :-9, I can see that Steve is only standing for what is technologically correct. You needed extensive study to get pass Steve's front. What of the newcomers?!! I wouldn't have made an issue out of it, if the term 'idiotic' was directed at me, off list, by Steve, since I've grown used to his abrasive style as well. It doesn't change the impression received. Exactly and many unsubscribe before they figure out Steve. :) Steve - any chance of a lowering of tone when dealing with newbies? I second that motion. Anyone wanting to take exception to Steve - any chance of *always* taking it off-list? I can't promise that. If he's unfriendly/impolite to another subscriber, I'll not hesitate to indicate this for the very reasons you mentioned above, i.e., it gives a bad impression. -- Regards, -=Ali=- Press any key to continue or any other key to quit... ** Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/1 [-] Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Hi Steve, on Friday, November 19, 1999, 12:22:22 AM GMT+0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve, please don't call peoples suggestions idiotic especially when it's not necessary. SL It was. An understanding of basic UI at the level of around an AOL user SL would be all that is required to deduce why the cursor is in the header field. Wow, are you calling me an "AOL user"? (Please help me someone: isn't this an insult?) g The fact that you felt that way just shows up yourself more than the person you indirectly insulted. SL I get it. Attack the person, not the idea. Gee, to think, I had it wrong SL this whole time in attacking the idea, not the person. Thanks for the SL clarification. LOL You are so automated and mechanical in your approach to usability issues that it's unbelievable. I have no wish to have any exchanges with you on the issue. SL I am so automated and mechanical because I'm right. When you get to a SL certain point you come to understand that most, if not all roads, lead to the SL same place. Steve, again: you see this from the POV of someone who lives in the comuter world. You are right from that POV. However, most people don't live there. Especially you as the compu-expert have the possibility to change something for the average user, if you only listen. Just for the benefit of the minds that exhibit more flexibility and amicability to suggestion: SL IE, those who haven't thought it out. Deja-vu? Comnputer Philosophy? (No, Marck, don't worry, I'm not going to start again.) b) If one invokes/creates a new mail message using the address book. [...] far. That's consistency to ones detriment. We are thinking, people here. SL Then think, Ali, don't just jump on the bandwagon for a ride and disengage SL your brain. Steve, hoinestly, I cannot figure how this is "attacking the idea" and not the person. Anyway, I think it is you who is jumping on the bandwaggon (of those who think that users are stupid and cannot even go to the header to fill in additional recipients iof they want to). SL Tell me, are *all* of the addresses you've ever used in the SL addressbook? You've never added one by hand after using the addressbook? SL You've never added one by hand from the address book after using it? Weren't you the one who said in another thread that you don't want the machine to "think for you" and make suggestions? So, when I give the command "go to somehwere in the message body" and the cursor still goes to the header, is it not thinking for me? SL Why put it there? Because the program has no way to determine if you're SL completely finished with entering addresses or if you're just done adding SL addresses from the addressbook/macros. Exactly. That's why the cursor should go to were I tell it to and not double-guess. SL The logical place for the cursor after that point is in the SL headers section. The logical place for the cursor is to be were I tell it to be. (Am I repeating myself?) SL Furthermore, just because you've entered addresses doesn't mean that the SL other functions near those fields are completed. Right. So I want the programme to double-guess instead of just following my command. SL It is not consistency to one's detriment, it is logical consistency where SL an otherwise annoying assumption by the machine would be made. You are advocating assumption, should you not have noticed. -- Ciao, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.37 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Hi Steve, on Friday, November 19, 1999, 1:58:33 AM GMT+0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Simple : Not everyone has this allegedly logical stepwise approach. I tend to prefer this stepwise approach and this is why I have no need for no subject error messages or reminders to enter an address, but this is besides the point. SL No, it is the point. People should learn to use the program, not the SL program to babysit the user. This is the point where I disagree! One of a programme's first objectives is to be user-friendly. You don't get the point do you? I didn't really expect it. It was you who wrote it anyway. sigh SL Oh, I get the point. You don't get mine. I don't pussyfoot around. In SL all our conversations I have stated that repeatedly and I don't apologize for SL it. I really dislike all the political, buttkissing BS when it comes to SL getting things done. We noticed that g. The question is, what are the things that we want to get done? Vocabulary like "idiotic" don't help to figure this out. SL But to spend so much time and effort to say the same thing in a "polite" SL and "non-threatening" manner is just wasted time and effort. I doubt that. Because when you use words like "idiotic" it takes seventy-five posting in three threads to get the feeling it creates out of the way. SL Get a thicker skin or get out of the way. Sorry for being human. Did you know that this list is also for people who might not have the self-confidence that you are so blessed with? - I was the one whose idea you called idiotic, and my skin is thick enough. Someone else, well, might have just left the list and TB too. Sometimes it is necessary to be "political" and to keep an amicable atmostphere in a society in order to protect the ones that are not so strong (or not so self-confident, you get the point). SL Since a completely customizable UI is not obtainable the best one can do SL is create an UI that has the least number of internal inconsistencies and is SL as logical as possible. Those who like the UI will then be able to SL effectively and efficiently learn the logic and begin to make assumptions SL about areas they are unfamiliar with. This will let them work faster, ask SL less questions, use the program in a more powerful manner and get their work SL done. I agree with that. I have learned that when I tell the cursor to go to point A in the body, it will ignore my command and go to the header, because it assumes I'm an idiot and I may want to add a second recipient. -- Best regards, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.37 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Hi Steve, on Friday, November 19, 1999, 5:58:21 AM GMT+0800, Steve Lamb wrote: People like Steve Lamb make it so hard for beginners to stay in this list. SL Beginners shouldn't really be making suggestions. Pu-leaze, Steve. And by the way, with 21 years of computer programming, I don't consider myself a beginner, and I did make that initial suggestion. SL Furthermore everyone is a beginner exactly once. I don't like SL things that are geared for beginners at the exclusion of those who SL aren't because of that. How about things that are geared for skilled people at the exclusion of beginners? Hey, this is list is in-lieu of a proper documentation. So it is for the beginners as well. It is the arrogance of the skilled. As a beginner you just don't dare to bring a "silly" problem. And this is not useful for the further spreading of this good client. Didn't it happen so often in history of the mind, that "idiotic" ideas opened new horizons. SL Yes, they did. Normally, though, such ideas aren't ones that are rehashed SL and argued over every time a new person comes into the forum. For example... [list of absolutely valid points skipped] SL These things, among others, are what makes it hard for the experienced SL users to stay on this, and other, lists. They are topics that keep coming up SL ever 3-6 weeks with the new people. This is a forum for new people as well. -- Best regards, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.37 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Friday, November 19, 1999, Paula Ford wrote about (No Subject): PF You're talking about a case, however, where the user has consciously PF requested that the cursor be put in a specific position. Why not honor PF that request? %cursor macro means that cursor will be placed to this position when focus will be given to message edit area. It does so. User requests that focus when opening a message with already filled "to" and "subj" fields would not be given to "to" field but to message edit area. It has nothing to do with %cursor macro, while is reasonable wish. But I'm afraid it is hardly implementable, while it does work so when you hit reply. Suppose i write a template for message which will always have to addressees, constant one and variable one and a constant beginning of a subject, and still want cursor to be at certain place in the message after I'll finish filling in the variable address and subject. What should I do, if I will have no possibility of using %cursor macro? -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.36 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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\\\|/// / ~ _ \ (- O o -) --oOOo-(_)-oOOo--- Hello Watchert, I also have one suggestion, I would like to be able to quickly and easily add a cookie to my list of random quotes (cookie list). As it is I have to select several menu items, then scroll down to the bottom of the list, then hit enter, then paste the cookie. Is there a better way? J I can't see how this could be made much better :-) You can, however, J use an external file for cookies (check out the macros) Had this simple idea just a while ago to make adding cookies just a little bit faster: don't scroll down: you can paste them as well on top of your list... just don't forget to hit enter... this saves a lot of time (depends on the number of cookies offcourse) Can somebody give me the correct macro (and an example) for using an external cookie-file? I thought it existed, but never found the macro... in a previous mail, it got mentioned so it's existence has been confirmed :-) Thanks already :-) -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roelmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] My message above. Your response here . .oooO ( ) Oooo. --\ (( ) \_)) / (_/ Visit the official site of Enigma at http://www.enigma3.com (it's really worth it!) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
