Hello Steve,
Thursday, November 18, 1999, 6:41:24 PM, you wrote:
SL> Thursday, November 18, 1999, 2:08:06 PM, Ali wrote:
>>> No, it is the point. People should learn to use the program, not the
>>> program to babysit the user.
>> So you consider it babysitting. Hmmmm. Oh boy. :)
SL> Yes, I do. When something breaks the internal logic of the UI just for
SL> the whims of a few people then it is babysitting.
>>> Uhm, you're the one on the side that wants to change things. The
>>> burden of proof is at your feet, not mine.
>> What's this chicken and egg crap about? A point was brought up which
>> you thought was ridiculous enough to be rude and call it idiotic.
>> Prove why you say this instead of rationalize it like how I rationalize
>> mine, then expecting me to do more than you do to make your point.
SL> Prove why the change should be made in the first place. That is why I
SL> said you are on the side that wants to change things. Proof must be given
SL> that a change benefits the majority of the users. That burden of proof is at
SL> your feet, not mine.
>> From this paragraph, I can say Steve, that IMHO, you are simply being rude
>> and that's your fundamental problem. This discussion list doesn't need any
>> of it. It's downright disruptive and intimidates those who don't know you
>> for who you are.
SL> Operative letters "IMHO" which is "in my humble opinion". In your opinion
SL> I'm being rude. In my opinion it is rude to think that one cannot speak one's
SL> honest opinions to other adults. That they must, in some fashion, be coddled
SL> and protected for the big bad words which, incidentally, in and of themselves,
SL> do no harm. I'm not here to treat you like a child, Ali, or presume that you
SL> would want such a thing. It is that presumption, that total arrogance that I
SL> consider rude.
>> What makes it worse is your lack of insight into it because you find
>> being polite political BS. That's crap and you know it.
SL> Hardly.
>> You just can't be bothered and we are perhaps not worth the effort of a
>> little of your politeness. I am saying all this so that others will know
>> that we don't subscribe to this sort of behavior.
SL> I am being polite. I'm being polite in that I'm not going out of my way
SL> to insult you by talking down to you, insulting your intelligence and
SL> character.
>>> But to spend so much time and effort to say the same thing in a
>>> "polite" and "non-threatening" manner is just wasted time and
>>> effort. Get a thicker skin or get out of the way.
>> Why be threatening in the first place?
SL> Notice the quotes. That means I *AM* taking the non-threatening manner.
SL> Just others are so used to being coddled they don't know the difference
SL> between straighttalk and threatening.
>>> I hope I do for if I ever got to the level where such small UI
>>> issues were the only matters of contention it would mean the world
>>> would have the most powerful and robust MUA around which, instead of
>>> worrying about small UI issues first it would have IMAP done and out
>>> the door, automatic LDAP updates, be lean, mean and well documented.
>>> But, hey, you want to debate where %cursor goes instead of insist on
>>> getting real work done, fine by me.
>> That sounds rude again Steve. I am not shaken by it in the least but I
>> need to indicate your rudeness.
SL> Rude? Maybe you're just not used to hearing the truth without all the BS
SL> pleasantries. No, rude would be a lot worse.
Hey guys why don't you two take this private via phone or direct
e-mail, I'am getting tired seeing two guys whine over something that
should have been over long ago, and I'am sure I'am not alone.
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Best regards,
Pasquale mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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