Fw: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM?
Here's an old email from more than a year ago. Remember Lawyer Jim Elsman? Do you think we should ask him for any admission of error in this prophecy of his? Peace be with you. David Miller. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 1:13 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM? GENTS, THIS FORUM WILL ALWAYS BE IN CHAOS , AS LONG AS WE TOLERATE WOMEN BLABBING ON IT. THEY ARE TO KEEP SILENT IN SUCH MATTERS OF THE CHURCH; THEY ARE THE WEAKER VESSEL; THEY DON'T HAVE MINDS FOR THEOLOGY AND A HERMENEUTIC. PROOF: THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE GREAT WOMAN THEOLOGIAN IN HISTORY, UNLESS THE WOMEN DREDGE UP SOME PRETENDER. THAT IS PHENOMENAL!!! NOT ONE!!! HARVARD THEOLOGICAL SCHOOL, WHERE I MATRICULATED, IS NOW FULL OF THIS SAME CRAP-WOMEN WHO THINK THEY KNOW SOMETHING-- GOD IS A SHE. MARIOLOGY. RUTH WAS THE GREATEST OF THE O.T. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO RISE UP AND THROW THE BONDSWOMEN OUT? I DO SO MOTION THIS FORUM HEREBY, I.E. MEN ONLY!!! YOU WILL NOT AGREE TO IT, BUT I HAVE PROPHESIED THAT TT WILL NOT EXIST IN ONE YEAR IF YOU DO NOT. ELSMANSTEIN THE LAWYER -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Specifically, where did he go wrong? JD-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: Jennifer Delaney delaney[EMAIL PROTECTED]edu; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:35:58 -0400Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM? Here's an old email from more than a year ago. Remember Lawyer Jim Elsman? Do you think we should ask him for any admission of error in this prophecy of his? Peace be with you. David Miller. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 1:13 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM? GENTS, THIS FORUM WILL ALWAYS BE IN CHAOS , AS LONG AS WE TOLERATE WOMEN BLABBING ON IT. THEY ARE TO KEEP SILENT IN SUCH MATTERS OF THE CHURCH; THEY ARE THE WEAKER VESSEL; THEY DON'T HAVE MINDS FOR THEOLOGY AND A HERMENEUTIC. PROOF: THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE GREAT WOMAN THEOLOGIAN IN HISTORY, UNLESS THE WOMEN DREDGE UP SOME PRETENDER. THAT IS PHENOMENAL!!! NOT ONE!!! HARVARD THEOLOGICAL SCHOOL, WHERE I MATRICULATED, IS NOW FULL OF THIS SAME CRAP-WOMEN WHO THINK THEY KNOW SOMETHING-- "GOD IS A SHE". "MARIOLOGY". "RUTH WAS THE GREATEST OF THE O.T." WHEN ARE WE GOING TO RISE UP AND THROW THE BONDSWOMEN OUT? I DO SO MOTION THIS FORUM HEREBY, I.E. MEN ONLY!!! YOU WILL NOT AGREE TO IT, BUT I HAVE PROPHESIED THAT TT WILL NOT EXIST IN ONE YEAR IF YOU DO NOT. ELSMANSTEIN THE LAWYER -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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John wrote: Specifically, where did he go wrong? Jim Elsman wrote: I HAVE PROPHESIED THAT TT WILL NOT EXIST IN ONE YEAR IF YOU DO NOT. [get rid of the women on the list] Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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I was moderating when Elsman was on, and I think it is better to let sleeping dogs (and false prophets) lie (so to speak). From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org CC: Jennifer Delaney [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM? Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:35:58 -0400 Here's an old email from more than a year ago. Remember Lawyer Jim Elsman? Do you think we should ask him for any admission of error in this prophecy of his? Peace be with you. David Miller. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 1:13 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM? GENTS, THIS FORUM WILL ALWAYS BE IN CHAOS , AS LONG AS WE TOLERATE WOMEN BLABBING ON IT. THEY ARE TO KEEP SILENT IN SUCH MATTERS OF THE CHURCH; THEY ARE THE WEAKER VESSEL; THEY DON'T HAVE MINDS FOR THEOLOGY AND A HERMENEUTIC. PROOF: THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE GREAT WOMAN THEOLOGIAN IN HISTORY, UNLESS THE WOMEN DREDGE UP SOME PRETENDER. THAT IS PHENOMENAL!!! NOT ONE!!! HARVARD THEOLOGICAL SCHOOL, WHERE I MATRICULATED, IS NOW FULL OF THIS SAME CRAP-WOMEN WHO THINK THEY KNOW SOMETHING-- GOD IS A SHE. MARIOLOGY. RUTH WAS THE GREATEST OF THE O.T. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO RISE UP AND THROW THE BONDSWOMEN OUT? I DO SO MOTION THIS FORUM HEREBY, I.E. MEN ONLY!!! YOU WILL NOT AGREE TO IT, BUT I HAVE PROPHESIED THAT TT WILL NOT EXIST IN ONE YEAR IF YOU DO NOT. ELSMANSTEIN THE LAWYER -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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I was kind of ...kiddin' Jd-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: Jennifer Delaney [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:08:36 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM? John wrote: Specifically, where did he go wrong? Jim Elsman wrote: I HAVE PROPHESIED THAT TT WILL NOT EXIST IN ONE YEAR IF YOU DO NOT. [get rid of the women on the list] Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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You may be onto something here, Dave H. :-) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 11:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM David Miller wrote: Izzy wrote: ... I agree with David M's observation that women have not historically been great scientists or philosophers. I just don't agree with his conclusion: that women aren't smart enough. Now you know that I did not say that! DAVEH: Just shows to go ya, DavidM.Izzy is so smart she can read your mind! LOL Peace be with you. David Miller -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF and MOTORCYCLE. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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LOL! I certainly dont think women are smarter than men, either. I just think we have different smarts. J I agree with David Ms observation that women have not historically been great scientists or philosophers. I just dont agree with his conclusion: that women arent smart enough. Women were smart enough to keep their smarts to themselves to keep from getting burned at the stake or whatever other penalties that might have involved. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 10:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM In a message dated 5/6/2004 8:44:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, Funny, and so typical. I remember once my Sweetie and I were attempting to figure out how many square feet our odd-shaped deck was so we could estimate gallons of paint we needed. He (typically) got out his tape measure and went to elaborate work figuring it all out. When he got done I said, It looks like x square feet, and he looked at me like I was some kind of weird wizardso funny! It was just what he spent all that time measuring and calculating. Im terrible at math problems, so Ive learned how to guesstimate pretty well. I think women can get to the same answer by using the opposite hemisphere that men do. I style=mso-bidi-font-style: normalWe dont even know how we do it. Like the gravy on the roast in The Odd Couple, It just comes. J Izzy So much for this fantasy that women are inferior. They are smarter than us and they don't even know why, sometimes. Depressing -- John
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Izzy wrote: LOL! I certainly don't think women are smarter than men, either. I just think we have different smarts. I prefer to think of it this way too, Izzy. Measuring intelligence is nearly impossible. IQ tests don't give the full picture. Grades don't either (Einstein had very poor grades in school). Every test given is tainted by those who give them, and we will see women being shown to be smarter than men as women increasingly become the ones who design the tests. Even now, statistics for public schools are showing school boys lagging behind girls in academics. Part of the reason for this might be that there are more female teachers and administrators, more females designing the tests, etc. However, another factor may be cultural in that boys are feminized and not allowed to express their natural masculinity in profitable ways. It also may be that it is not cool for boys to be smart. So, anyways, I prefer to say that men and women are different intellectually and in regards to leadership qualities. God has ordained an order for this. We should accept these facts rather than try to blame our ancestors as being the cause of it all. If God created us to be different, let us appreciate those differences and live in complimentary relationship with one another rather than trying to seek for an equality that does not exist and that our Creator did not mean to exist. Izzy wrote: ... I agree with David M's observation that women have not historically been great scientists or philosophers. I just don't agree with his conclusion: that women aren't smart enough. Now you know that I did not say that! Women are smart enough for what their Creator intended for them to do. My wife is a CPA and I have never even had a business class. You can bet that I am always asking her questions about business law, taxes and the like. That means she is smarter than me in that area, but I will never get her to rebuild an engine or discuss relativity theory with me. I will probably never change her opinion that I am the smartest person she has ever known. I heard recently that about 60% of enrollment in college now is women. Visit the science and engineering classes, and I do not think you will find 60% women. There was always a paucity of women in all the science classes I took. Whenever a guy said his major was education or something non-technical in the arts and letters side of campus, other guys would rag on him with envy concerning how he was in the classes with all the girls. I remember once taking several calculus classes and then signed up for a statistics class the next semester. The calculus classes were very difficult and had like 3 girls in it and about 25 guys. I was shocked when I walked into the statistics class because there were about 25 girls and 7 guys. The tests were so easy that I never studied and made 100's on every test. I thought the class was a complete waste of time intellectually. These are natural ways our society segregates itself by gender, but for some devilish reason we want to blame our ancestors for it and claim that men and women are the same. I think we need to be comfortable with our differences and value them. Remember that the relationship of the woman to the man and the man to the woman is meant to communicate man's relationship to Christ and Christ's relationship to man. If we try to argue that the relationship is based upon equal abilities, then we are disrupting this teaching. If, on the other hand, we recognize the differences and how we fit together, we will better appreciate how Christ, who is so much better than us, desires us nonetheless, and that we are valuable to him and his purposes. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 8:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM Izzy wrote: LOL! I certainly don't think women are smarter than men, either. I just think we have different smarts. I prefer to think of it this way too, Izzy. Measuring intelligence is nearly impossible. IQ tests don't give the full picture. Grades don't either (Einstein had very poor grades in school). Every test given is tainted by those who give them, and we will see women being shown to be smarter than men as women increasingly become the ones who design the tests. Even now, statistics for public schools are showing school boys lagging behind girls in academics. Part of the reason for this might be that there are more female teachers and administrators, more females designing the tests, etc. However, another factor may be cultural in that boys are feminized and not allowed to express their natural masculinity in profitable ways. It also may be that it is not cool for boys to be smart. So, anyways, I prefer to say that men and women are different intellectually and in regards to leadership qualities. David, I dont think there is a difference of smartness re: leadership qualities. God just wants us to operate differently with those smarts. Have you ever tried to lead a pack of toddlers anywhere? God has ordained an order for this. We should accept these facts rather than try to blame our ancestors as being the cause of it all. I do accept Gods order for leadershipdid you think I dont? If God created us to be different, let us appreciate those differences and live in complimentary relationship with one another rather than trying to seek for an equality that does not exist and that our Creator did not mean to exist. Izzy wrote: ... I agree with David M's observation that women have not historically been great scientists or philosophers. I just don't agree with his conclusion: that women aren't smart enough. Now you know that I did not say that! David, here is where I got that idea: You explain what you meant (below) yesterday: Now it might be a little sensitive in our culture to talk about this, but intellectual endeavors does not seem to be a particularly ripe field for women. As you try to list the great thinkers and intellectual contributors who were women, you realize that there is a paucity of them. Where is the female counterpart to Einstein? Where is the female counterpart to Newton? Women are smart enough for what their Creator intended for them to do. My wife is a CPA and I have never even had a business class. You can bet that I am always asking her questions about business law, taxes and the like. That means she is smarter than me in that area, but I will never get her to rebuild an engine or discuss relativity theory with me. I will probably never change her opinion that I am the smartest person she has ever known. I have exactly the same opinion about my husband. I heard recently that about 60% of enrollment in college now is women. Visit the science and engineering classes, and I do not think you will find 60% women. There was always a paucity of women in all the science classes I took. Whenever a guy said his major was education or something non-technical in the arts and letters side of campus, other guys would rag on him with envy concerning how he was in the classes with all the girls. I remember once taking several calculus classes and then signed up for a statistics class the next semester. The calculus classes were very difficult and had like 3 girls in it and about 25 guys. I was shocked when I walked into the statistics class because there were about 25 girls and 7 guys. The tests were so easy that I never studied and made 100's on every test. I thought the class was a complete waste of time intellectually. These are natural ways our society segregates itself by gender, but for some devilish reason we want to blame our ancestors for it and claim that men and women are the same. I think we need to be comfortable with our differences and value them. Remember that the relationship of the woman to the man and the man to the woman is meant to communicate man's relationship to Christ and Christ's relationship to man. If we try to argue that the relationship is based upon equal abilities, then we are disrupting this teaching. If, on the other hand, we recognize the differences and how we fit together, we will better appreciate how Christ, who is so much better than us, desires us nonetheless, and that we are valuable to him and his purposes. David, We agree that women and men think differently. But I am not sure that we agree that women are not as intellectually inferior to men. Izzy
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David Miller wrote: Izzy wrote: ... I agree with David M's observation that women have not historically been great scientists or philosophers. I just don't agree with his conclusion: that women aren't smart enough. Now you know that I did not say that! DAVEH: Just shows to go ya, DavidM.Izzy is so smart she can read your mind! LOL Peace be with you. David Miller -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF and MOTORCYCLE. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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John, Funny, and so typical. I remember once my Sweetie and I were attempting to figure out how many square feet our odd-shaped deck was so we could estimate gallons of paint we needed. He (typically) got out his tape measure and went to elaborate work figuring it all out. When he got done I said, It looks like x square feet, and he looked at me like I was some kind of weird wizardso funny! It was just what he spent all that time measuring and calculating. Im terrible at math problems, so Ive learned how to guesstimate pretty well. I think women can get to the same answer by using the opposite hemisphere that men do. We dont even know how we do it. Like the gravy on the roast in The Odd Couple, It just comes. J Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 3:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM In a message dated 5/6/2004 12:14:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you John. () Just ask your wife who is the smarter of the two of you. She will smile and say, Why of course you are, Honey. (That means shes the smarter one. J ) Izzy Here is something kind of funny about that. I was taking an I.Q test (just for the fun of it) in the comfort of the front (that's the room where the beatings occur). I ran across a type of question that had me a little perplexed -- the same question form appeared several times on the test and, if I was not answering it correctly, it was costing me points BIG TIME. So I asked my Sweetie (and that is my name for her). She came over, looked at the question and, as she wlked back into the kitchen casually told me it meant -- JUST LIKE THAT. I informed her that in the future, when I was stumped with some kind of brain teaser, she was to take more than 8 seconds to figure it out AND give me a full and complete answer. I have a decent IQ -- she is Einstein in a dress --- for real. John the not so Latin lover
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In a message dated 5/6/2004 8:44:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, Funny, and so typical. I remember once my Sweetie and I were attempting to figure out how many square feet our odd-shaped deck was so we could estimate gallons of paint we needed. He (typically) got out his tape measure and went to elaborate work figuring it all out. When he got done I said, It looks like x square feet, and he looked at me like I was some kind of weird wizardso funny! It was just what he spent all that time measuring and calculating. Im terrible at math problems, so Ive learned how to guesstimate pretty well. I think women can get to the same answer by using the opposite hemisphere that men do. I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"We dont even know how we do it. Like the gravy on the roast in The Odd Couple, It just comes. J Izzy So much for this fantasy that women are inferior. They are smarter than us and they don't even know why, sometimes. Depressing -- John
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David said:If you look at the facts and resist the culture.. I have looked and continue to do so. It has lead me inexhorably, David, to observe more competent, capable, and trustworthy women than men in almosst every area of life. I believe that it is your tradition, having misread the Bible, that has lead you to adopt a patronizing, though respectful attitude toward women. It sadens me to see such an ungodly attitude expressed by one with such an obvious capacity to reflect and articulate on many matters. It is you and the ill informed thinking you represent that have contributed to the rise of feminism. Blessings, Lance - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 05, 2004 22:01 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM Lance wrote to Elsman: Name two? 1. Teresa of Avila 2. Julian of Norwich Lance, think about the physical differences between men and women, and then think about sports. Can you name some famous female athletes? Of course you can. But as your survey this in your mind, you realize that sports tend to segregate naturally by gender. There is woman's baseball and men's baseball, women's tennis and men's tennis. You get the picture. Now we know that if you mix men and women together in most sports, the men come out on top because of their physical strength. Now the common reaction to this is, so what! That is only physical strength, what does that mean? The truth is that men and women are different physically in areas other than muscular strength. Women and men differ emotionally AND intellectually. Their brains are actually different physically too. Men and women think differently and approach problems and solutions to problems differently. Every married man can tell you that this is true. Now it might be a little sensitive in our culture to talk about this, but intellectual endeavors does not seem to be a particularly ripe field for women. As you try to list the great thinkers and intellectual contributors who were women, you realize that there is a paucity of them. Where is the female counterpart to Einstein? Where is the female counterpart to Newton? This is not something that men like to talk about. It puts us into the position of sounding like we are putting ourselves up above women. However, our culture has brainwashed everyone to believe in equality of the sexes, and so this is a hot button if anyone attempts to discuss what has traditionally been known for a long time. Try to look at it objectively, and fight the effects of the brainwashing of our feminized society that would tell you that you are a brute for even considering what I have just said. If you look at the facts and resist the effect of culture on your sensitivities, a light bulb will go off in your mind and you will see the truth with certainty. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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"To ignore or minimize" Does that include the culture that obtains within your worship circle? Blessings, Lance- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 06, 2004 01:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM In a message dated 5/5/2004 7:02:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you look at the facts and resist the effectof culture on your sensitivities, a light bulb will go off in your mindand you will see the truth with certainty.Sounds like the light bulb has already gone off. To ignore or minimize the role of culture and societal tradition is to allow for this kind of thinking. John
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In a message dated 5/6/2004 2:55:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "To ignore or minimize" Does that include the culture that obtains within your worship circle? Blessings, Lance- Original Message - Sad to say but it is even worse than this: religion is the ring leader in this put-down of women -- whether Islam, Buddism, Christianity or whatever. That each gender has a particular role to play in society is obvious. I will say that over the past 40 years, I have seen great steps taken in the area -- women allowed to take roles of leadership. So, there is hope on the horizen. John
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Thank you John. () Just ask your wife who is the smarter of the two of you. She will smile and say, Why of course you are, Honey. (That means shes the smarter one. J ) Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 11:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM In a message dated 5/5/2004 7:02:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you look at the facts and resist the effect of culture on your sensitivities, a light bulb will go off in your mind and you will see the truth with certainty. Sounds like the light bulb has already gone off. To ignore or minimize the role of culture and societal tradition is to allow for this kind of thinking. John
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John, Happily Jesus was not one of the Christians who minimalized women. None of us rally want that. I dont agree with David M that women are intellectually inferior (even if I am), however I do think you can note that there are different I.Q. average for different races. (Mongoloids being smartest.) Some say that is due to testing, environment, etc., but I think it is true as an average for whatever reason. For women, I dont think you can discount centuries of being beaten down by men. Less than 100 years ago women could not vote in America! My own fathers mother was in that generation. Women rarely had to opportunity to learn to get any education then, too! How much history of female intellectualism do you think you are going to find under those conditions? And heaven knows how much worse it is in most other countries in the world. And, as we all know, this continues today! HOWEVER, I must say that I do not believe in women serving as pastors or in positions of spiritual authority over men. Also, I do not believe in women being in the military. (Even though my dau-in-law was a Naval Academy graduate. She got out of the military before starting her family, though.) And I do not believe in women leaving their children to pursue a career, although circumstances might force it to happen. SO Im still very old fashioned about women willingly putting themselves in danger or high-stress situations. I think it robs us of our gentleness, for one thing, to rub elbows with the hard world every day. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 7:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM In a message dated 5/6/2004 2:55:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To ignore or minimize Does that include the culture that obtains within your worship circle? Blessings, Lance- Original Message - Sad to say but it is even worse than this: religion is the ring leader in this put-down of women -- whether Islam, Buddism, Christianity or whatever. That each gender has a particular role to play in society is obvious. I will say that over the past 40 years, I have seen great steps taken in the area -- women allowed to take roles of leadership. So, there is hope on the horizen. John
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In a message dated 5/6/2004 12:14:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you John. () Just ask your wife who is the smarter of the two of you. She will smile and say, Why of course you are, Honey. (That means shes the smarter one. J ) Izzy Here is something kind of funny about that. I was taking an I.Q test (just for the fun of it) in the comfort of the front (that's the room where the beatings occur). I ran across a type of question that had me a little perplexed -- the same question form appeared several times on the test and, if I was not answering it correctly, it was costing me points BIG TIME. So I asked my Sweetie (and that is my name for her). She came over, looked at the question and, as she wlked back into the kitchen casually told me it meant -- JUST LIKE THAT. I informed her that in the future, when I was stumped with some kind of brain teaser, she was to take more than 8 seconds to figure it out AND give me a full and complete answer. I have a decent IQ -- she is Einstein in a dress --- for real. John the not so Latin lover
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In a message dated 5/6/2004 12:50:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, Happily Jesus was not one of the Christians who minimalized women. None of us rally want that. I dont agree with David M that women are intellectually inferior (even if I am), however I do think you can note that there are different I.Q. average for different races. (Mongoloids being smartest.) Some say that is due to testing, environment, etc., but I think it is true as an average for whatever reason. For women, I dont think you can discount centuries of being beaten down by men. Less than 100 years ago women could not vote in America! My own fathers mother was in that generation. Women rarely had to opportunity to learn to get any education then, too! How much history of female intellectualism do you think you are going to find under those conditions? And heaven knows how much worse it is in most other countries in the world. And, as we all know, this continues today! HOWEVER, I must say that I do not believe in women serving as pastors or in positions of spiritual authority over men. Also, I do not believe in women being in the military. (Even though my dau-in-law was a Naval Academy graduate. She got out of the military before starting her family, though.) And I do not believe in women leaving their children to pursue a career, although circumstances might force it to happen. SO Im still very old fashioned about women willingly putting themselves in danger or high-stress situations. I think it robs us of our gentleness, for one thing, to rub elbows with the hard world every day. Izzy I totally agree. Sometimes my words get in the way of what I am saying. J
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Sometimes God surprises us -- john Michigan Abortion Facility Closes, Becomes Pro-Life Pregnancy Center by Paul Nowak LifeNews.com Staff Writer May 6, 2004 Grand Rapids, MI (LifeNews.com) -- The pro-life community is always encouraged by the closing of an abortion business, but in Grand Rapids, LIFE International has been doubly fortunate -- the area's busiest abortion facility has been turned over to their organization, and can now be used as a pro-life center. First built as a Jewish synagogue in the late 19th century, the building at 72 Ransom Street NE in Grand Rapids had been leased to abortionist Thomas Gordon who performed abortions there at the Heritage Clinic for Women since 1996. Since 1998, the vision of reclaiming the house of God was before Kurt Dillinger, then Executive Director of the Pregnancy Resource Center of Grand Rapids. Later, in February 1999, the property was listed for sale. After years of prayer and unwavering faith in the vision of the reclamation of the old synagogue, local businessmen purchased the building and deeded it to LIFE International, the organization that had formed in October 2001 as an offshoot of Pregnancy Resource Center's overseas ministry. "Hundreds of faithful believers all over the community and the country have been praying that God would halt the activity taking place inside of this building," Eric Ohlman, Director of Communications for LIFE International told LifeNews.com. "Not only did he respond to those prayers with a resounding, 'Yes!' but he claimed the building for Himself and is now allowing it to be used as a place of prayer, worship, and life-affirming ministry. God's light has pierced the darkness of 72 Ransom, and the Water of Life will now flow from its walls." Ohlman added that it is estimated that about 20,000 abortions had been performed at the Ransom Street facility, the final ones taking place April 15, just five days before LIFE took possession of the building. LIFE International could not occupy the building until April, as the terms of the sale last November included a six-month period for Gordon to vacate the premises. According to Ohlman, Gordon is still looking for a new location to operate his abortion business, and has been repeatedly rejected by owners who do not want such a business in their buildings. The building will need to be renovated, as the procedure rooms have sinks and counters that are not needed by the new owners. There are plans to create an assembly room for group prayer and meetings, offices, and facilities for counseling post-abortive women and college students. LIFE International's goal is to open a pregnancy resource center everywhere that abortions are performed, in every nation of the world. Their centers have received over 26,000 visits, and have save over 800 lives since 2001. At 72 Ransom street, they are now ready to continue the message of healing and hope in a place where death and suffering took place for almost a decade. "What was once a house of death has become a place of life," said Ohlman. "We are excited to join God in this incredible story. It is evident that God Himself has intervened in the lives and hearts of the faithful to inspire them to purchase and deed the building to a pro-life ministry dedicated to establishing pregnancy resource centers wherever abortion is provided around the world."
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David Miller wrote: If you look at the facts and resist the culture.. Lance wrote: I have looked and continue to do so. It has lead me inexhorably, David, to observe more competent, capable, and trustworthy women than men in almost every area of life. Wow. So you believe that men are inferior to women? I don't mean to offend you, but can you clarify for us whether or not you are a homosexual? I'm not trying to be smart aleck or offensive. We don't know you and can't see you, so I am compelled to ask if you consider women to be greater than men. That is a very unusual viewpoint, even for our culture which presents women as smarter and more capable than men in almost every movie and book ever produced. Lance wrote: I believe that it is your tradition, having misread the Bible, that has lead you to adopt a patronizing, though respectful attitude toward women. I do not appreciate the term patronizing. I consider my viewpoint to be very sober. My tradition has been very opposite to this in that my mother was always much smarter and more intelligent than my father. It was not until after college, when I began to study a lot of history on my own, and found men in past centuries trying to figure out why they can't get women to deal with the issues that they deal with, that I began to realize that I was always avoiding the facts. It was actually my training as a scientist that caused me to deal more objectively with this issue and realize that the feminization of our culture is what had brainwashed my mind to what was really the obvious truth. Understanding statistics really helped me, because I had to get over the fact that my mother was smarter than my dad. Understanding statistics helped me to understand overlap of data and how to generalize trends in a more proper fashion. Lance wrote: It sadens me to see such an ungodly attitude expressed by one with such an obvious capacity to reflect and articulate on many matters. Are you speaking for God now? I think my attitude is very Godly in regards to men and women. Lance wrote: It is you and the ill informed thinking you represent that have contributed to the rise of feminism. No, the rise of feminism is a spirit of the Anti-Christ. There are three main areas in which this spirit has operated in order to overthrow the order of God. 1. Equality of Gender 2. Equality of Race 3. Equality of Sexual Orientation The truth is that none of these equalities really exist. What is at the root of the oppression of one sex over another or of one race over another is hatred. The spirit masks that hatred by claiming that the source of the evil is not hatred but a lack of recognizing equality. This is a frontal attack on God's order, but it is deceptive in that it makes people think they are getting rid of an evil, when really, they are only getting rid of God's ordained order of things. What you don't seem to understand is that the philosophies of cultures are not really reflective of reactions to earlier bad philosophies as much as they are representative of the spirits which people are willing to accept and follow. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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In a message dated 5/6/2004 7:51:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lance wrote: I have looked and continue to do so. It has lead me inexhorably, David, to observe more competent, capable, and trustworthy women than men in almost every area of life. Wow. So you believe that men are inferior to women? I don't mean to offend you, but can you clarify for us whether or not you are a homosexual? I'm not trying to be smart aleck or offensive. We don't know you and can't see you, so I am compelled to ask if you consider women to be greater than men. That is a very unusual viewpoint, even for our culture which presents women as smarter and more capable than men in almost every movie and book ever produced. Ok. Now I am sure. DavidM is off his medication.
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Lance wrote to Elsman: Name two? 1. Teresa of Avila 2. Julian of Norwich Lance, think about the physical differences between men and women, and then think about sports. Can you name some famous female athletes? Of course you can. But as your survey this in your mind, you realize that sports tend to segregate naturally by gender. There is woman's baseball and men's baseball, women's tennis and men's tennis. You get the picture. Now we know that if you mix men and women together in most sports, the men come out on top because of their physical strength. Now the common reaction to this is, so what! That is only physical strength, what does that mean? The truth is that men and women are different physically in areas other than muscular strength. Women and men differ emotionally AND intellectually. Their brains are actually different physically too. Men and women think differently and approach problems and solutions to problems differently. Every married man can tell you that this is true. Now it might be a little sensitive in our culture to talk about this, but intellectual endeavors does not seem to be a particularly ripe field for women. As you try to list the great thinkers and intellectual contributors who were women, you realize that there is a paucity of them. Where is the female counterpart to Einstein? Where is the female counterpart to Newton? This is not something that men like to talk about. It puts us into the position of sounding like we are putting ourselves up above women. However, our culture has brainwashed everyone to believe in equality of the sexes, and so this is a hot button if anyone attempts to discuss what has traditionally been known for a long time. Try to look at it objectively, and fight the effects of the brainwashing of our feminized society that would tell you that you are a brute for even considering what I have just said. If you look at the facts and resist the effect of culture on your sensitivities, a light bulb will go off in your mind and you will see the truth with certainty. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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In a message dated 5/5/2004 7:02:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you look at the facts and resist the effect of culture on your sensitivities, a light bulb will go off in your mind and you will see the truth with certainty. Sounds like the light bulb has already gone off. To ignore or minimize the role of culture and societal tradition is to allow for this kind of thinking. John
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Elsman: "Name two"? 1. Teresa of Avila 2. Julian of Norwich Lance - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 03, 2004 18:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM In a message dated 5/3/2004 5:54:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JESUS MUST NOT HAVE KNOWN WHAT HE WAS ABOUT ALLOWING WOMEN TO LEARN AND GIVING THEM EQUALITY WITH THE MEN. ELSMAN - YOU NEED YOUR MIND RENEWED, IT MAY BE A GOOD WEAPON FOR COURTROOM BATTLES BUT DOESNOTHING TO EDIFY OR BUILD UP ANYONE IN CHRIST. JUDYTJUDI, YOU HAVE NOT REBUTTED THE OBVIOUS, I.E. IN 2,000 YEARS OF CHRISTIAN HISTORY, THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE WOMAN THEOLOGIAN OF NOTE. GET REAL!! OR, NAME THE BEST YOU'VE GOT. ELSMAN
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"debate.com" I find debate to be one of the most debilitating and least profitable forms of engagement. Lance - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 03, 2004 18:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM? In a message dated 5/3/2004 2:10:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jim Elsman wrote:WHEN ARE WE GOING TO RISE UP AND THROW THE BONDSWOMEN OUT? I DO SO MOTION THIS FORUM HEREBY, I.E. MEN ONLY!!! YOU WILL NOT AGREE TO IT, BUT I HAVE PROPHESIED THAT TT WILL NOT EXIST IN ONE YEAR IF YOU DO NOT.LOL. I trust you will not cry foul if I save this e-mail of prophecyfrom you and bring it up in one year. :-)Would you like me to setup a "men's only" e-mail forum especially foryou? Do you have anyone who you think would be a good moderator forsuch a list? I can call it, "Men Only" or "The Octagon." How bout "debate.com"
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In a message dated 5/3/2004 2:10:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jim Elsman wrote: WHEN ARE WE GOING TO RISE UP AND THROW THE BONDSWOMEN OUT? I DO SO MOTION THIS FORUM HEREBY, I.E. MEN ONLY!!! YOU WILL NOT AGREE TO IT, BUT I HAVE PROPHESIED THAT TT WILL NOT EXIST IN ONE YEAR IF YOU DO NOT. LOL. I trust you will not cry foul if I save this e-mail of prophecy from you and bring it up in one year. :-) Would you like me to setup a "men's only" e-mail forum especially for you? Do you have anyone who you think would be a good moderator for such a list? I can call it, "Men Only" or "The Octagon." How bout "debate.com"
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Jim Elsman wrote: WHEN ARE WE GOING TO RISE UP AND THROW THE BONDSWOMEN OUT? I DO SO MOTION THIS FORUM HEREBY, I.E. MEN ONLY!!! YOU WILL NOT AGREE TO IT, BUT I HAVE PROPHESIED THAT TT WILL NOT EXIST IN ONE YEAR IF YOU DO NOT. LOL. I trust you will not cry foul if I save this e-mail of prophecy from you and bring it up in one year. :-) Would you like me to setup a men's only e-mail forum especially for you? Do you have anyone who you think would be a good moderator for such a list? I can call it, Men Only or The Octagon. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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In a message dated 5/3/2004 5:54:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JESUS MUST NOT HAVE KNOWN WHAT HE WAS ABOUT ALLOWING WOMEN TO LEARN AND GIVING THEM EQUALITY WITH THE MEN. ELSMAN - YOU NEED YOUR MIND RENEWED, IT MAY BE A GOOD WEAPON FOR COURTROOM BATTLES BUT DOES NOTHING TO EDIFY OR BUILD UP ANYONE IN CHRIST. JUDYT JUDI, YOU HAVE NOT REBUTTED THE OBVIOUS, I.E. IN 2,000 YEARS OF CHRISTIAN HISTORY, THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE WOMAN THEOLOGIAN OF NOTE. GET REAL!! OR, NAME THE BEST YOU'VE GOT. ELSMAN
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Elsman, I think The Mens Room is the perfect spot for youand I wouldnt go in there with you for all the tea in China! ROFL!!! Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 3:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM? DAVID, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL IT THE MEN'S ROOM, BUT , CONSIDERING THESE BUTCHES, THEY WILL WANT ENTRY THERE, AS WELL. ELSMAN
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Jim, Ding-bat and Butches are a bit demeaning, don't you think? Please do not offend by name-calling. Perry the Moderator From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 17:52:40 -0400 DAVID, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL IT THE MEN'S ROOM, BUT , CONSIDERING THESE BUTCHES, THEY WILL WANT ENTRY THERE, AS WELL. ELSMAN SO WHY DON'T WE MAKE THE CHURCH INTO ANOTHER MASONIC LODGE SINCE MEN ARE SO MUCH MORE INTELLIGENT AND KNOW HOW TO SWING THE VERBAL PUNCHES BETTER. JESUS MUST NOT HAVE KNOWN WHAT HE WAS ABOUT ALLOWING WOMEN TO LEARN AND GIVING THEM EQUALITY WITH THE MEN. ELSMAN - YOU NEED YOUR MIND RENEWED, IT MAY BE A GOOD WEAPON FOR COURTROOM BATTLES BUT DOES NOTHING TO EDIFY OR BUILD UP ANYONE IN CHRIST. JUDYT _ Getting married? Find tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN Life Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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In a message dated 5/3/2004 6:25:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jim, "Ding-bat" and "Butches" are a bit demeaning, don't you think? Please do not offend by name-calling. Perry the Moderator Keep up the good work Perry. A thankless job it isn't -- thank you John
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In a message dated 5/3/2004 2:54:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVID, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL IT "THE MEN'S ROOM", BUT , CONSIDERING THESE BUTCHES, THEY WILL WANT ENTRY THERE, AS WELL. ELSMAN I love you holiness/pentecostle types. It is part of the reason why there is so much trust in so many of your other claims and teachings. JD
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DAVID, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL IT "THE MEN'S ROOM", BUT , CONSIDERING THESE BUTCHES, THEY WILL WANT ENTRY THERE, AS WELL. ELSMAN SO WHY DON'T WE MAKE THE CHURCH INTO ANOTHER MASONIC LODGE SINCE MEN ARE SO MUCH MORE INTELLIGENT AND KNOW HOW TO SWING THE VERBAL PUNCHES BETTER. JESUS MUST NOT HAVE KNOWN WHAT HE WAS ABOUT ALLOWING WOMEN TO LEARN AND GIVING THEM EQUALITYWITH THE MEN. ELSMAN - YOU NEED YOUR MIND RENEWED, IT MAY BE A GOOD WEAPON FOR COURTROOM BATTLES BUT DOES NOTHING TO EDIFY OR BUILD UP ANYONE IN CHRIST. JUDYT
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In a message dated 5/3/2004 5:10:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jim Elsman wrote: WHEN ARE WE GOING TO RISE UP AND THROW THE BONDSWOMEN OUT? I DO SO MOTION THIS FORUM HEREBY, I.E. MEN ONLY!!! YOU WILL NOT AGREE TO IT, BUT I HAVE PROPHESIED THAT TT WILL NOT EXIST IN ONE YEAR IF YOU DO NOT. LOL. I trust you will not cry foul if I save this e-mail of prophecy from you and bring it up in one year. :-) Would you like me to setup a "men's only" e-mail forum especially for you? Do you have anyone who you think would be a good moderator for such a list? I can call it, "Men Only" or "The Octagon." Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- DAVID, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL IT "THE MEN'S ROOM", BUT , CONSIDERING THESE BUTCHES, THEY WILL WANT ENTRY THERE, AS WELL. ELSMAN
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In a message dated 5/1/2004 5:55:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, but don't forgetYOU ARE WHAT YOU ARE, Elsman.and you may not be what you think you are. Time will tell. Dave -- here's the plan. Elsman does this pretend prophesy thing about this group and his boy, Danny Boy, makes such a prolong stench of it all that the group collapses or gives up and moves on. That's my prophecy and I won't mind one bit if I am wrong. But so far, so good for me. John Smithson
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GENTS, THIS FORUM WILL ALWAYS BE IN CHAOS , AS LONG AS WE TOLERATE WOMEN BLABBING ON IT. THEY ARE TO KEEP SILENT IN SUCH MATTERS OF THE CHURCH; THEY ARE THE WEAKER VESSEL; THEY DON'T HAVE MINDS FOR THEOLOGY AND A HERMENEUTIC. PROOF: THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE GREAT WOMAN THEOLOGIAN IN HISTORY, UNLESS THE WOMEN DREDGE UP SOME PRETENDER. THAT IS PHENOMENAL!!! NOT ONE!!! HARVARD THEOLOGICAL SCHOOL, WHERE I MATRICULATED, IS NOW FULL OF THIS SAME CRAP-WOMEN WHO THINK THEY KNOW SOMETHING-- "GOD IS A SHE". "MARIOLOGY". "RUTH WAS THE GREATEST OF THE O.T." WHEN ARE WE GOING TO RISE UP AND THROW THE BONDSWOMEN OUT? I DO SO MOTION THIS FORUM HEREBY, I.E. MEN ONLY!!! YOU WILL NOT AGREE TO IT, BUT I HAVE PROPHESIED THAT TT WILL NOT EXIST IN ONE YEAR IF YOU DO NOT. ELSMANSTEIN THE LAWYER
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Elsman, I hereby second your motion but rather than proceeding the motion in a democratic fashion, we should simply pull an Hezekiah or an Yosiah (Josiah) and cast the women out immediatly without further ado. After all, I doubt if Hezekiah asked the sodomites if they wanted their houses torn down and their lives destroyed. These peackock females are worse than any sodomite I have contended with on campus. And I've contended with some real Jesus-hating sodomites before. And since you bring up Ruth . . . now THERE WAS A WOMAN!!! She never taught scriptural doctrine . . . even once -- but silently obeyed her mother in good works before going in unto Boaz and living the rest of her days in quiet submission to that awesome man of YHVH. Her reward? The great grandmother of King David. The peackock females on this forum would do well to learn from Ruth. Shabbatting on this Shabbat Shalom, Daniel John Lee -- www.TorahandSpirit.com _ TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies. http://www.thefreesite.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GENTS, THIS FORUM WILL ALWAYS BE IN CHAOS , AS LONG AS WE TOLERATE WOMEN BLABBING ON IT. THEY ARE TO KEEP SILENT IN SUCH MATTERS OF THE CHURCH; THEY ARE THE WEAKER VESSEL; THEY DON'T HAVE MINDS FOR THEOLOGY AND A HERMENEUTIC. PROOF: THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE GREAT WOMAN THEOLOGIAN IN HISTORY, UNLESS THE WOMEN DREDGE UP SOME PRETENDER. THAT IS PHENOMENAL!!! NOT ONE!!! HARVARD THEOLOGICAL SCHOOL, WHERE I MATRICULATED, IS NOW FULL OF THIS SAME CRAP-WOMEN WHO THINK THEY KNOW SOMETHING-- "GOD IS A SHE". "MARIOLOGY". "RUTH WAS THE GREATEST OF THE O.T." WHEN ARE WE GOING TO RISE UP AND THROW THE BONDSWOMEN OUT? I DO SO MOTION THIS FORUM HEREBY, I.E. MEN ONLY!!! YOU WILL NOT AGREE TO IT, BUT I HAVE PROPHESIED THAT TT WILL NOT EXIST IN ONE YEAR IF YOU DO NOT. DAVEH: IF that prophesy does not come true Elsman, will that make you a false prophet.or simply a mistaken prophet? ELSMANSTEIN THE LAWYER -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF and MOTORCYCLE.
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In a message dated 5/1/2004 3:01:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WHEN ARE WE GOING TO RISE UP AND THROW THE BONDSWOMEN OUT? I DO SO MOTION THIS FORUM HEREBY, I.E. MEN ONLY!!! YOU WILL NOT AGREE TO IT, BUT I HAVE PROPHESIED THAT TT WILL NOT EXIST IN ONE YEAR IF YOU DO NOT. DAVEH: IF that prophesy does not come true Elsman, will that make you a false prophet.or simply a mistaken prophet? ELSMANSTEIN THE LAWYER -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN, I HAVE WRITTEN. ---ELSMAN
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In a message dated 5/1/2004 12:13:57 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GENTS, THIS FORUM WILL ALWAYS BE IN CHAOS , AS LONG AS WE TOLERATE WOMEN BLABBING ON IT. THEY ARE TO KEEP SILENT IN SUCH MATTERS OF THE CHURCH; THEY ARE THE WEAKER VESSEL; THEY DON'T HAVE MINDS FOR THEOLOGY AND A HERMENEUTIC. PROOF: THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE GREAT WOMAN THEOLOGIAN IN HISTORY, UNLESS THE WOMEN DREDGE UP SOME PRETENDER. THAT IS PHENOMENAL!!! NOT ONE!!! HARVARD THEOLOGICAL SCHOOL, WHERE I MATRICULATED, IS NOW FULL OF THIS SAME CRAP-WOMEN WHO THINK THEY KNOW SOMETHING-- "GOD IS A SHE". "MARIOLOGY". "RUTH WAS THE GREATEST OF THE O.T." WHEN ARE WE GOING TO RISE UP AND THROW THE BONDSWOMEN OUT? I DO SO MOTION THIS FORUM HEREBY, I.E. MEN ONLY!!! YOU WILL NOT AGREE TO IT, BUT I HAVE PROPHESIED THAT TT WILL NOT EXIST IN ONE YEAR IF YOU DO NOT. ELSMANSTEIN THE LAWYER How many great and gifted men have a great and gifted women behind them? Women have a very important role if they use it correctly. Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM?
In a message dated 5/1/2004 5:54:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I DO SO MOTION THIS FORUM HEREBY, I.E. MEN ONLY!!! YOU WILL NOT AGREE TO IT, BUT I HAVE PROPHESIED THAT TT WILL NOT EXIST IN ONE YEAR IF YOU DO NOT. ELSMANSTEIN THE LAWYER How many great and gifted men have a great and gifted women behind them? Women have a very important role if they use it correctly. Laura AMEN, BUT THOSE ARE THE EXCEPTIONS!! MY OWN WIFE IS ONE, A FULL-TIME CLINICAL SHRINK-THOUGH ONE MUST STIPULATE THAT I AM HER FAILED- CASE, FOR THE PAST 44 YEARS OF MARRIAGE. ELSMANSTEIN THE CHAUVINIST PIG
Re: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM?
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM? Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 11:57:26 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GENTS, THIS FORUM WILL ALWAYS BE IN CHAOS , AS LONG AS WE TOLERATE WOMEN BLABBING ON IT. THEY ARE TO KEEP SILENT IN SUCH MATTERS OF THE CHURCH; THEY ARE THE WEAKER VESSEL; THEY DON'T HAVE MINDS FOR THEOLOGY AND A HERMENEUTIC. PROOF: THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE GREAT WOMAN THEOLOGIAN IN HISTORY, UNLESS THE WOMEN DREDGE UP SOME PRETENDER. THAT IS PHENOMENAL!!! NOT ONE!!! HARVARD THEOLOGICAL SCHOOL, WHERE I MATRICULATED, IS NOW FULL OF THIS SAME CRAP-WOMEN WHO THINK THEY KNOW SOMETHING-- GOD IS A SHE. MARIOLOGY. RUTH WAS THE GREATEST OF THE O.T. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO RISE UP AND THROW THE BONDSWOMEN OUT? I DO SO MOTION THIS FORUM HEREBY, I.E. MEN ONLY!!! YOU WILL NOT AGREE TO IT, BUT I HAVE PROPHESIED THAT TT WILL NOT EXIST IN ONE YEAR IF YOU DO NOT. DAVEH: IF that prophesy does not come true Elsman, will that make you a false prophet.or simply a mistaken prophet? Dave, that will make him an LDS prophet! VBG ELSMANSTEIN THE LAWYER -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF and MOTORCYCLE. _ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WHEN ARE WE GOING TO RISE UP AND THROW THE BONDSWOMEN OUT? I DO SO MOTION THIS FORUM HEREBY, I.E. MEN ONLY!!! YOU WILL NOT AGREE TO IT, BUT I HAVE PROPHESIED THAT TT WILL NOT EXIST IN ONE YEAR IF YOU DO NOT. DAVEH: IF that prophesy does not come true Elsman, will that make you a false prophet.or simply a mistaken prophet? ELSMANSTEIN THE LAWYER WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN, I HAVE WRITTEN. ---ELSMAN DAVEH: Yes, but don't forgetYOU ARE WHAT YOU ARE, Elsman.and you may not be what you think you are. Time will tell. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF and MOTORCYCLE.
