Re: [uportal-dev] Weather Portlet: AccuWeather.com Service

2008-02-15 Thread Dustin S.
Thanks a lot Jen, I'll take a look at it this weekend!

On Feb 15, 2008 9:20 AM, Jen Bourey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've mavenized our code and dropped it into
 https://www.ja-sig.org/svn/sandbox/WeatherPortlet/branches/yale-yahoo.
 It's not very well commented, but it should build and run under both up2.6and 
 3, and I'm more than happy to answer any questions that come up.  If any
 of it proves useful as an example or otherwise, that's great, and if not,
 that's OK too.  I've enjoyed using jaxb and I think I'd encourage it's use
 with AccuWeather.

 I did strip out the part that generates the current conditions tooltip,
 since other people may be using a different version of dojo in the portal,
 or might not be using dojo at all.

 - Jen


 On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Dustin S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Jen,
 
  Is the the source of your portlet available anywhere? Would you mind
  committing it to a branch in /sandbox/WeatherPortlet ...? I'm sure this
  could be useful for development.
 
  Thanks,
  Dustin.
 
  On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Jen Bourey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
   This looks fantastic!
  
   At Yale we have a Spring PortletMVC weather portlet that uses JAXB to
   unmarshall the Yahoo weather service feeds, then displays the data in a 
   JSP
   page.  I wanted to use the XML data rather that just display the html in 
   the
   RSS feed, since it would give us better control over the presentation, as
   well as the ability to display more data.  We've been pretty happy with 
   that
   approach so far, but Yahoo doesn't provide a good way to get locations for
   international locations, and I know AccuWeather has access to even more
   data.  I think it would be pretty simple to use a similar approach to
   display the data from the AccuWeather service if we wanted.
  
   Screenshots of the current Yale portlet are here:
   http://tp.its.yale.edu/confluence/display/YIP/Weather+Portlet.
  
   - Jen
  
 
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Re: [uportal-dev] Weather Portlet: AccuWeather.com Service

2008-02-15 Thread Jen Bourey
Eric mentioned in IRC today that he's had a lot of luck with the xstream
libraries - we could also try that.

- Jen


On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Dustin S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks a lot Jen, I'll take a look at it this weekend!

 On Feb 15, 2008 9:20 AM, Jen Bourey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I've mavenized our code and dropped it into
  https://www.ja-sig.org/svn/sandbox/WeatherPortlet/branches/yale-yahoo.
  It's not very well commented, but it should build and run under both
  up2.6 and 3, and I'm more than happy to answer any questions that come
  up.  If any of it proves useful as an example or otherwise, that's great,
  and if not, that's OK too.  I've enjoyed using jaxb and I think I'd
  encourage it's use with AccuWeather.
 
  I did strip out the part that generates the current conditions tooltip,
  since other people may be using a different version of dojo in the portal,
  or might not be using dojo at all.
 
  - Jen
 
 
   On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Dustin S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
Jen,
  
   Is the the source of your portlet available anywhere? Would you mind
   committing it to a branch in /sandbox/WeatherPortlet ...? I'm sure this
   could be useful for development.
  
   Thanks,
   Dustin.
  
   On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Jen Bourey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
  
This looks fantastic!
   
At Yale we have a Spring PortletMVC weather portlet that uses JAXB
to unmarshall the Yahoo weather service feeds, then displays the data 
in a
JSP page.  I wanted to use the XML data rather that just display the 
html in
the RSS feed, since it would give us better control over the 
presentation,
as well as the ability to display more data.  We've been pretty happy 
with
that approach so far, but Yahoo doesn't provide a good way to get 
locations
for international locations, and I know AccuWeather has access to even 
more
data.  I think it would be pretty simple to use a similar approach to
display the data from the AccuWeather service if we wanted.
   
Screenshots of the current Yale portlet are here:
http://tp.its.yale.edu/confluence/display/YIP/Weather+Portlet.
   
- Jen
   
  
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Re: [uportal-dev] Weather Portlet: AccuWeather.com Service

2008-02-14 Thread Brad Johnson

On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 21:09 -0700, Dustin S. icedout3e-at-gmail.com |
JASIG-List-2| wrote:
 
 My goal right now is to create the portlet to be as pluggable as
 possible. I kind of envision it boiling down to implementing one
 interface (WeatherDao), however I may run into some dependencies
 between the view and the implemented service. I came up with a rough
 design that is already sitting in the trunk
 (https://www.ja-sig.org/svn/sandbox/WeatherPortlet/trunk/) but it is
 going to need some more adjusting I'm sure. I am entirely open to
 suggestions on a pluggable design if anyone has any!

Hey Dustin,

Looks like some services will require a link-back and a logo. Do think
gitters/setters for the link hrefs and text should be included in the
WeatherDao interface? Or should they just be wired in via spring
manually, or some other way?

thanks,
Brad

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Re: [uportal-dev] Weather Portlet: AccuWeather.com Service

2008-02-14 Thread Jen Bourey
This looks fantastic!

At Yale we have a Spring PortletMVC weather portlet that uses JAXB to
unmarshall the Yahoo weather service feeds, then displays the data in a JSP
page.  I wanted to use the XML data rather that just display the html in the
RSS feed, since it would give us better control over the presentation, as
well as the ability to display more data.  We've been pretty happy with that
approach so far, but Yahoo doesn't provide a good way to get locations for
international locations, and I know AccuWeather has access to even more
data.  I think it would be pretty simple to use a similar approach to
display the data from the AccuWeather service if we wanted.

Screenshots of the current Yale portlet are here:
http://tp.its.yale.edu/confluence/display/YIP/Weather+Portlet.

- Jen


On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Dustin S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jen,
 The data provided is far superior to any other service that I've seen, I
 was really impressed when I first saw it. The API for getting locations is
 *also really* nice IMO. You can see an example here:
 http://uport.accu-weather.com/widget/uport/city-find.asp?location=london .
 The location string can take many types of values (zipcode, city, city and
 country).


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Re: [uportal-dev] Weather Portlet: AccuWeather.com Service

2008-02-14 Thread Brad Johnson
Hello Jim H,

I don't see the logo or back-link as a deal breaker either, but what
size is the logo? Also, what do they consider commercial users? I know
we consider Higher Ed as non-commercial, but do they?

thanks,
Brad


On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 21:22 -0600, Jim Helwig
jim.helwig-at-doit.wisc.edu |JASIG-List-2| wrote:

 I don't see a logo or link back as a problem. Since our primary focus is 
 higher education, I don't see the fact that commercial users need to contact 
 AccuWeather as a problem. From the sounds of it, this seems like a good 
 option.
 
 It would be nice to see if this portlet could be implemented in a way that 
 one could fairly easily plug in alternative weather feeds if they were 
 concerned about this.
 
 My two cents,
 JimH
 
 on 2/13/2008 7:16 PM Dustin S. said the following:
  I have recently been in contact with AccuWeather.com to explore the 
  possibility of using their services for weather data.
  
  AccuWeather.com's services are used in one of the most popular Firefox 
  add-ons: ForecastFox. If you are unfamiliar with AccuWeather you can 
  visit http://www.accuweather.com/
  
  AccuWeather.com's people have been very friendly and nice to work with 
  and have setup an XML weather service for uPortal to use in the weather 
  portlet. An example: 
  http://uport.accu-weather.com/widget/uport/weather-data.asp?location=16803metric=1
   
  http://uport.accu-weather.com/widget/uport/weather-data.asp?location=16803metric=1
  
  Use of their service in the weather portlet would require an AccuWeather 
  logo and a link back to their site. The feed would be available without 
  permission for all non-commercial users assuming they retain the logo 
  and link back. They would like any commercial users to contact 
  AccuWeather for permission to use the data. They said that commercial 
  users are generally not a concern unless they are a large commercial 
  user that could cause an overload to their servers.
  
  AccuWeather has /extensive/ international coverage of weather as well as 
  /extensive /weather data and they seem to be very willing to work with us.
  
  I would really like to use AccuWeather's service but I'm not sure the 
  commercial aspects would be acceptable to have this portlet included in 
  UP3 hence the reason for this post.
  
  What does everyone else think?
  
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Re: [uportal-dev] Weather Portlet: AccuWeather.com Service

2008-02-14 Thread Cris J Holdorph
I don't think this portlet should ship WITH uPortal.  I'd hate to see 
the main uPortal distribution encumbered with a license we somehow have 
to make sure commercial entities see and agree to, and contact 
accuweather, before they can ever start uPortal.  Now as a separate 
download that people can go to some place and 'read the license' for 
that specific portlet before clicking on the link to download it, I 
think it is probably fine.


 Cris J H

Jim Helwig wrote:
I don't see a logo or link back as a problem. Since our primary focus is 
higher education, I don't see the fact that commercial users need to 
contact AccuWeather as a problem. From the sounds of it, this seems like 
a good option.


It would be nice to see if this portlet could be implemented in a way 
that one could fairly easily plug in alternative weather feeds if they 
were concerned about this.


My two cents,
JimH

on 2/13/2008 7:16 PM Dustin S. said the following:
I have recently been in contact with AccuWeather.com to explore the 
possibility of using their services for weather data.


AccuWeather.com's services are used in one of the most popular Firefox 
add-ons: ForecastFox. If you are unfamiliar with AccuWeather you can 
visit http://www.accuweather.com/


AccuWeather.com's people have been very friendly and nice to work with 
and have setup an XML weather service for uPortal to use in the 
weather portlet. An example: 
http://uport.accu-weather.com/widget/uport/weather-data.asp?location=16803metric=1 
http://uport.accu-weather.com/widget/uport/weather-data.asp?location=16803metric=1 



Use of their service in the weather portlet would require an 
AccuWeather logo and a link back to their site. The feed would be 
available without permission for all non-commercial users assuming 
they retain the logo and link back. They would like any commercial 
users to contact AccuWeather for permission to use the data. They said 
that commercial users are generally not a concern unless they are a 
large commercial user that could cause an overload to their servers.


AccuWeather has /extensive/ international coverage of weather as well 
as /extensive /weather data and they seem to be very willing to work 
with us.


I would really like to use AccuWeather's service but I'm not sure the 
commercial aspects would be acceptable to have this portlet included 
in UP3 hence the reason for this post.


What does everyone else think?

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Re: [uportal-dev] Weather Portlet: AccuWeather.com Service

2008-02-14 Thread Dustin S.
Brad,

You have some good questions. I will write another email to AccuWeather and
ask if they can explain their definition of commercial/non-commercial. They
did provide me with a link to logo's to use (
http://www.accuweather.com/download-adc-logos.asp), however, I was not told
of any size requirements so I will ask about that too. Thanks!

I was thinking about adding properties String moreInfoLink and String
logoPath to the Weather object and they could be set in the implementation
of the WeatherDAO. This might require also passing in the PortletRequest
object for dynamic paths.

Dustin

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Brad Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


 On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 21:09 -0700, Dustin S. icedout3e-at-gmail.com |
 JASIG-List-2| wrote:
 
  My goal right now is to create the portlet to be as pluggable as
  possible. I kind of envision it boiling down to implementing one
  interface (WeatherDao), however I may run into some dependencies
  between the view and the implemented service. I came up with a rough
  design that is already sitting in the trunk
  (https://www.ja-sig.org/svn/sandbox/WeatherPortlet/trunk/) but it is
  going to need some more adjusting I'm sure. I am entirely open to
  suggestions on a pluggable design if anyone has any!

 Hey Dustin,

 Looks like some services will require a link-back and a logo. Do think
 gitters/setters for the link hrefs and text should be included in the
 WeatherDao interface? Or should they just be wired in via spring
 manually, or some other way?

 thanks,
 Brad

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Re: [uportal-dev] Weather Portlet: AccuWeather.com Service

2008-02-14 Thread Dustin S.
Jen,

Is the the source of your portlet available anywhere? Would you mind
committing it to a branch in /sandbox/WeatherPortlet ...? I'm sure this
could be useful for development.

Thanks,
Dustin.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Jen Bourey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 This looks fantastic!

 At Yale we have a Spring PortletMVC weather portlet that uses JAXB to
 unmarshall the Yahoo weather service feeds, then displays the data in a JSP
 page.  I wanted to use the XML data rather that just display the html in the
 RSS feed, since it would give us better control over the presentation, as
 well as the ability to display more data.  We've been pretty happy with that
 approach so far, but Yahoo doesn't provide a good way to get locations for
 international locations, and I know AccuWeather has access to even more
 data.  I think it would be pretty simple to use a similar approach to
 display the data from the AccuWeather service if we wanted.

 Screenshots of the current Yale portlet are here:
 http://tp.its.yale.edu/confluence/display/YIP/Weather+Portlet.

 - Jen


 On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Dustin S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Jen,
  The data provided is far superior to any other service that I've seen, I
  was really impressed when I first saw it. The API for getting locations is
  *also really* nice IMO. You can see an example here:
  http://uport.accu-weather.com/widget/uport/city-find.asp?location=london. 
  The location string can take many types of values (zipcode, city, city and
  country).
 

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Re: [uportal-dev] Weather Portlet: AccuWeather.com Service

2008-02-14 Thread Jen Bourey
Hi Dustin,

At the moment the source is only in our local repository, but I'd be more
than happy to contribute it.  It might make sense to reorganize the files to
use maven first, which shouldn't take long.

- Jen


On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Dustin S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jen,

 Is the the source of your portlet available anywhere? Would you mind
 committing it to a branch in /sandbox/WeatherPortlet ...? I'm sure this
 could be useful for development.

 Thanks,
 Dustin.

 On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Jen Bourey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  This looks fantastic!
 
  At Yale we have a Spring PortletMVC weather portlet that uses JAXB to
  unmarshall the Yahoo weather service feeds, then displays the data in a JSP
  page.  I wanted to use the XML data rather that just display the html in the
  RSS feed, since it would give us better control over the presentation, as
  well as the ability to display more data.  We've been pretty happy with that
  approach so far, but Yahoo doesn't provide a good way to get locations for
  international locations, and I know AccuWeather has access to even more
  data.  I think it would be pretty simple to use a similar approach to
  display the data from the AccuWeather service if we wanted.
 
  Screenshots of the current Yale portlet are here:
  http://tp.its.yale.edu/confluence/display/YIP/Weather+Portlet.
 
  - Jen
 
 
  On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Dustin S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Jen,
   The data provided is far superior to any other service that I've seen,
   I was really impressed when I first saw it. The API for getting locations 
   is
   *also really* nice IMO. You can see an example here:
   http://uport.accu-weather.com/widget/uport/city-find.asp?location=london. 
   The location string can take many types of values (zipcode, city, city and
   country).
  
 
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[uportal-dev] Weather Portlet: AccuWeather.com Service

2008-02-13 Thread Dustin S.
I have recently been in contact with AccuWeather.com to explore the
possibility of using their services for weather data.

AccuWeather.com's services are used in one of the most popular Firefox
add-ons: ForecastFox. If you are unfamiliar with AccuWeather you can visit
http://www.accuweather.com/

AccuWeather.com's people have been very friendly and nice to work with and
have setup an XML weather service for uPortal to use in the weather portlet.
An example:
http://uport.accu-weather.com/widget/uport/weather-data.asp?location=16803metric=1

Use of their service in the weather portlet would require an AccuWeather
logo and a link back to their site. The feed would be available without
permission for all non-commercial users assuming they retain the logo and
link back. They would like any commercial users to contact AccuWeather for
permission to use the data. They said that commercial users are generally
not a concern unless they are a large commercial user that could cause an
overload to their servers.

AccuWeather has *extensive* international coverage of weather as well
as *extensive
*weather data and they seem to be very willing to work with us.

I would really like to use AccuWeather's service but I'm not sure the
commercial aspects would be acceptable to have this portlet included in UP3
hence the reason for this post.

What does everyone else think?

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Re: [uportal-dev] Weather Portlet: AccuWeather.com Service

2008-02-13 Thread Jen Bourey
A friend of mine recently began using their data for a google gadget and had
great things to say about AccuWeather.  He said the developers were very
helpful and responsive.  It sounds like they really do have a lot of data;
he was using their service to get local pollen counts.

How is the API for getting weather locations?  Yahoo allows you to use zip
codes, which is great for US locations, but their codes for international
locations are difficult for users to figure out.

AccuWeather sounds like a great choice to me, especially if we decide that
the commercial issues will work out for us.

- Jen


On Feb 13, 2008 8:16 PM, Dustin S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have recently been in contact with AccuWeather.com to explore the
 possibility of using their services for weather data.

 AccuWeather.com's services are used in one of the most popular Firefox
 add-ons: ForecastFox. If you are unfamiliar with AccuWeather you can visit
 http://www.accuweather.com/

 AccuWeather.com's people have been very friendly and nice to work with and
 have setup an XML weather service for uPortal to use in the weather portlet.
 An example:
 http://uport.accu-weather.com/widget/uport/weather-data.asp?location=16803metric=1

 Use of their service in the weather portlet would require an AccuWeather
 logo and a link back to their site. The feed would be available without
 permission for all non-commercial users assuming they retain the logo and
 link back. They would like any commercial users to contact AccuWeather for
 permission to use the data. They said that commercial users are generally
 not a concern unless they are a large commercial user that could cause an
 overload to their servers.

 AccuWeather has *extensive* international coverage of weather as well as 
 *extensive
 *weather data and they seem to be very willing to work with us.

 I would really like to use AccuWeather's service but I'm not sure the
 commercial aspects would be acceptable to have this portlet included in UP3
 hence the reason for this post.

 What does everyone else think?

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Re: [uportal-dev] Weather Portlet: AccuWeather.com Service

2008-02-13 Thread Jim Helwig

I don't see a logo or link back as a problem. Since our primary focus is higher 
education, I don't see the fact that commercial users need to contact 
AccuWeather as a problem. From the sounds of it, this seems like a good option.

It would be nice to see if this portlet could be implemented in a way that one 
could fairly easily plug in alternative weather feeds if they were concerned 
about this.

My two cents,
JimH

on 2/13/2008 7:16 PM Dustin S. said the following:
I have recently been in contact with AccuWeather.com to explore the 
possibility of using their services for weather data.


AccuWeather.com's services are used in one of the most popular Firefox 
add-ons: ForecastFox. If you are unfamiliar with AccuWeather you can 
visit http://www.accuweather.com/


AccuWeather.com's people have been very friendly and nice to work with 
and have setup an XML weather service for uPortal to use in the weather 
portlet. An example: 
http://uport.accu-weather.com/widget/uport/weather-data.asp?location=16803metric=1 
http://uport.accu-weather.com/widget/uport/weather-data.asp?location=16803metric=1


Use of their service in the weather portlet would require an AccuWeather 
logo and a link back to their site. The feed would be available without 
permission for all non-commercial users assuming they retain the logo 
and link back. They would like any commercial users to contact 
AccuWeather for permission to use the data. They said that commercial 
users are generally not a concern unless they are a large commercial 
user that could cause an overload to their servers.


AccuWeather has /extensive/ international coverage of weather as well as 
/extensive /weather data and they seem to be very willing to work with us.


I would really like to use AccuWeather's service but I'm not sure the 
commercial aspects would be acceptable to have this portlet included in 
UP3 hence the reason for this post.


What does everyone else think?

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Re: [uportal-dev] Weather Portlet: AccuWeather.com Service

2008-02-13 Thread Eric Dalquist
I think this looks like a viable weather data source. The fact that we'd 
have our own feed url is a plus and we can make a point to include a 
little extra info in the default deploy of the portlet on how to contact 
them if you have heavy usage.


-Eric

Dustin S. wrote:
I have recently been in contact with AccuWeather.com to explore the 
possibility of using their services for weather data.


AccuWeather.com's services are used in one of the most popular Firefox 
add-ons: ForecastFox. If you are unfamiliar with AccuWeather you can 
visit http://www.accuweather.com/


AccuWeather.com's people have been very friendly and nice to work with 
and have setup an XML weather service for uPortal to use in the 
weather portlet. An example: 
http://uport.accu-weather.com/widget/uport/weather-data.asp?location=16803metric=1 
http://uport.accu-weather.com/widget/uport/weather-data.asp?location=16803metric=1


Use of their service in the weather portlet would require an 
AccuWeather logo and a link back to their site. The feed would be 
available without permission for all non-commercial users assuming 
they retain the logo and link back. They would like any commercial 
users to contact AccuWeather for permission to use the data. They said 
that commercial users are generally not a concern unless they are a 
large commercial user that could cause an overload to their servers.


AccuWeather has /extensive/ international coverage of weather as well 
as /extensive /weather data and they seem to be very willing to work 
with us.


I would really like to use AccuWeather's service but I'm not sure the 
commercial aspects would be acceptable to have this portlet included 
in UP3 hence the reason for this post.


What does everyone else think?
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Re: [uportal-dev] Weather Portlet: AccuWeather.com Service

2008-02-13 Thread Dustin S.
Jen,
The data provided is far superior to any other service that I've seen, I was
really impressed when I first saw it. The API for getting locations is *also
really* nice IMO. You can see an example here:
http://uport.accu-weather.com/widget/uport/city-find.asp?location=london .
The location string can take many types of values (zipcode, city, city and
country).

Jim,
My goal right now is to create the portlet to be as pluggable as possible. I
kind of envision it boiling down to implementing one interface (WeatherDao),
however I may run into some dependencies between the view and the
implemented service. I came up with a rough design that is already sitting
in the trunk (https://www.ja-sig.org/svn/sandbox/WeatherPortlet/trunk/) but
it is going to need some more adjusting I'm sure. I am entirely open to
suggestions on a pluggable design if anyone has any!


On Feb 13, 2008 8:22 PM, Jim Helwig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't see a logo or link back as a problem. Since our primary focus is
higher education, I don't see the fact that commercial users need to contact
AccuWeather as a problem. From the sounds of it, this seems like a good
option.

 It would be nice to see if this portlet could be implemented in a way that
one could fairly easily plug in alternative weather feeds if they were
concerned about this.

 My two cents,
 JimH

 on 2/13/2008 7:16 PM Dustin S. said the following:



  I have recently been in contact with AccuWeather.com to explore the
  possibility of using their services for weather data.
 
  AccuWeather.com's services are used in one of the most popular Firefox
  add-ons: ForecastFox. If you are unfamiliar with AccuWeather you can
  visit http://www.accuweather.com/
 
  AccuWeather.com's people have been very friendly and nice to work with
  and have setup an XML weather service for uPortal to use in the weather
  portlet. An example:
 
http://uport.accu-weather.com/widget/uport/weather-data.asp?location=16803metric=1
  
http://uport.accu-weather.com/widget/uport/weather-data.asp?location=16803metric=1

 
  Use of their service in the weather portlet would require an AccuWeather
  logo and a link back to their site. The feed would be available without
  permission for all non-commercial users assuming they retain the logo
  and link back. They would like any commercial users to contact
  AccuWeather for permission to use the data. They said that commercial
  users are generally not a concern unless they are a large commercial
  user that could cause an overload to their servers.
 
  AccuWeather has /extensive/ international coverage of weather as well as
  /extensive /weather data and they seem to be very willing to work with
us.
 
  I would really like to use AccuWeather's service but I'm not sure the
  commercial aspects would be acceptable to have this portlet included in
  UP3 hence the reason for this post.
 
  What does everyone else think?
 
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