Re: Ofbiz Cookbook

[Taher Alkhateeb]

+1

On Aug 13, 2016 10:18 AM, "gil portenseigne" 
wrote:

> Yes i like this plan :)
>
> Gil
>
> Le 12/08/2016 à 13:26, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
>
>> Yes, and I believe, when we will have worked out Gradle stuff (at least:
>> finishing it, adding plugins, correctly documenting the whole) we should
>> gather to work on this and slowly replace/improve the old good Minilang
>>
>> Could be the R17 main task?
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>
>> Le 12/08/2016 à 12:34, gil portenseigne a écrit :
>>
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Indeed, and moreover in the wiki page you link, there is autocompletion
>>> configuration in IDE Integration part.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Gil
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 12/08/2016 à 12:13, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
>>>
 +1

 I think Jacopo has more to say about that :)

 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Groovy+
 DSL+for+OFBiz+business+logic

 Jacques


 Le 09/08/2016 à 19:11, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :

> I would like to add to what Scott already mentioned that minilang is
> not
> only difficult to debug but also overly verbose.
>
> However, minilang exists and continues to be used I think because of
> the
> ctrl-space auto complete combined with XSD definitions for the
> statements.
> This makes it a DSL (not too pretty) and this is something that we did
> not
> provide a reasonable alternative for. Groovy makes a good candidate
> for an
> alternative DSL but we don't have something yet which is
> comprehensively
> documented with an easy auto-complete feature. This is very important
> for
> many developers I think. So we need to think of a good alternative
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Scott Gray <
> scott.g...@hotwaxsystems.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm certainly no fan of minilang. I prefer something I can step through
>> with a debugger.
>>
>> Regards
>> Scott
>>
>> On 9/08/2016 20:55, "Paul Piper"  wrote:
>>
>> Skip,
>>>
>>> I fear that you may be right with regards to minilang and the
>>> community,
>>> though luckily with your own projects you can set your own
>>> standards. I
>>> learned the hard way that minilang leads to more cluttered code and
>>>
>> though
>>
>>> there are some benefits (the automapping of service maps or
>>> entity-auto
>>>
>> for
>>
>>> creating crud services), I would strongly recommend anyone to rather
>>>
>> invest
>>
>>> the time into proper java or groovy code.
>>>
>>> As for the use of widgets over ftl, perhaps it is worth noting that
>>> we
>>> streamlined both for Scipio ERP. They share the same underlying set
>>> of
>>> macros and will create the hence create the same HTML & classes as
>>> are
>>> defined by your theme. So if people prefer to use widgets, they can.
>>> We
>>> relied on this, when cleaning up & converting usable screens alot,
>>> as not
>>> always it would make sense to transfer them to ftl.
>>>
>>> That being said, our goal is to further replace widgets by ftl logic
>>> as
>>>
>> we
>>
>>> move along. For both minilang and widgets the reason on our end is
>>> that
>>> neither technology is used anywhere outside of the ofbiz project and
>>> thus
>>> adds to the overall learning-curve for newcomers. We much rather
>>> rely on
>>> trusted alternatives that are easier to pick up for our project ;)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.
>>> com/Ofbiz-Cookbook-tp4690647p4690733.html
>>> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>>

>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Ofbiz Cookbook

[gil portenseigne]

Yes i like this plan :)

Gil

Le 12/08/2016 à 13:26, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
Yes, and I believe, when we will have worked out Gradle stuff (at 
least: finishing it, adding plugins, correctly documenting the whole) 
we should gather to work on this and slowly replace/improve the old 
good Minilang


Could be the R17 main task?

Jacques


Le 12/08/2016 à 12:34, gil portenseigne a écrit :


+1

Indeed, and moreover in the wiki page you link, there is 
autocompletion configuration in IDE Integration part.


Thanks

Gil


Le 12/08/2016 à 12:13, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :

+1

I think Jacopo has more to say about that :)

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Groovy+DSL+for+OFBiz+business+logic 



Jacques


Le 09/08/2016 à 19:11, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :
I would like to add to what Scott already mentioned that minilang 
is not

only difficult to debug but also overly verbose.

However, minilang exists and continues to be used I think because 
of the
ctrl-space auto complete combined with XSD definitions for the 
statements.
This makes it a DSL (not too pretty) and this is something that we 
did not
provide a reasonable alternative for. Groovy makes a good candidate 
for an
alternative DSL but we don't have something yet which is 
comprehensively
documented with an easy auto-complete feature. This is very 
important for

many developers I think. So we need to think of a good alternative

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Scott Gray 


wrote:

I'm certainly no fan of minilang. I prefer something I can step 
through

with a debugger.

Regards
Scott

On 9/08/2016 20:55, "Paul Piper"  wrote:


Skip,

I fear that you may be right with regards to minilang and the 
community,
though luckily with your own projects you can set your own 
standards. I

learned the hard way that minilang leads to more cluttered code and

though
there are some benefits (the automapping of service maps or 
entity-auto

for

creating crud services), I would strongly recommend anyone to rather

invest

the time into proper java or groovy code.

As for the use of widgets over ftl, perhaps it is worth noting 
that we
streamlined both for Scipio ERP. They share the same underlying 
set of
macros and will create the hence create the same HTML & classes 
as are
defined by your theme. So if people prefer to use widgets, they 
can. We
relied on this, when cleaning up & converting usable screens 
alot, as not

always it would make sense to transfer them to ftl.

That being said, our goal is to further replace widgets by ftl 
logic as

we
move along. For both minilang and widgets the reason on our end 
is that
neither technology is used anywhere outside of the ofbiz project 
and thus
adds to the overall learning-curve for newcomers. We much rather 
rely on

trusted alternatives that are easier to pick up for our project ;)

Cheers,
Paul



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Re: Ofbiz Cookbook

[Jacopo Cappellato]

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 12:13 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote:

> +1
>
> I think Jacopo has more to say about that :)
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Groovy+
> DSL+for+OFBiz+business+logic
>
> Jacques
>
>
Agreed. We could improve the ideas outlined in the current "Groovy DSL for
OFBiz", for which we have in trunk a "plugin" for Eclipse and IntelliJ
(that provides autocompletion); and start converting existing Minilang code
to it.

Jacopo

Re: Ofbiz Cookbook

[Jacques Le Roux]

Yes, and I believe, when we will have worked out Gradle stuff (at least: finishing it, adding plugins, correctly documenting the whole) we should 
gather to work on this and slowly replace/improve the old good Minilang


Could be the R17 main task?

Jacques


Le 12/08/2016 à 12:34, gil portenseigne a écrit :


+1

Indeed, and moreover in the wiki page you link, there is autocompletion 
configuration in IDE Integration part.

Thanks

Gil


Le 12/08/2016 à 12:13, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :

+1

I think Jacopo has more to say about that :)

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Groovy+DSL+for+OFBiz+business+logic

Jacques


Le 09/08/2016 à 19:11, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :

I would like to add to what Scott already mentioned that minilang is not
only difficult to debug but also overly verbose.

However, minilang exists and continues to be used I think because of the
ctrl-space auto complete combined with XSD definitions for the statements.
This makes it a DSL (not too pretty) and this is something that we did not
provide a reasonable alternative for. Groovy makes a good candidate for an
alternative DSL but we don't have something yet which is comprehensively
documented with an easy auto-complete feature. This is very important for
many developers I think. So we need to think of a good alternative

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Scott Gray 
wrote:


I'm certainly no fan of minilang. I prefer something I can step through
with a debugger.

Regards
Scott

On 9/08/2016 20:55, "Paul Piper"  wrote:


Skip,

I fear that you may be right with regards to minilang and the community,
though luckily with your own projects you can set your own standards. I
learned the hard way that minilang leads to more cluttered code and

though

there are some benefits (the automapping of service maps or entity-auto

for

creating crud services), I would strongly recommend anyone to rather

invest

the time into proper java or groovy code.

As for the use of widgets over ftl, perhaps it is worth noting that we
streamlined both for Scipio ERP. They share the same underlying set of
macros and will create the hence create the same HTML & classes as are
defined by your theme. So if people prefer to use widgets, they can. We
relied on this, when cleaning up & converting usable screens alot, as not
always it would make sense to transfer them to ftl.

That being said, our goal is to further replace widgets by ftl logic as

we

move along. For both minilang and widgets the reason on our end is that
neither technology is used anywhere outside of the ofbiz project and thus
adds to the overall learning-curve for newcomers. We much rather rely on
trusted alternatives that are easier to pick up for our project ;)

Cheers,
Paul



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Re: Ofbiz Cookbook

[gil portenseigne]

+1

Indeed, and moreover in the wiki page you link, there is autocompletion 
configuration in IDE Integration part.


Thanks

Gil


Le 12/08/2016 à 12:13, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :

+1

I think Jacopo has more to say about that :)

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Groovy+DSL+for+OFBiz+business+logic 



Jacques


Le 09/08/2016 à 19:11, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :

I would like to add to what Scott already mentioned that minilang is not
only difficult to debug but also overly verbose.

However, minilang exists and continues to be used I think because of the
ctrl-space auto complete combined with XSD definitions for the 
statements.
This makes it a DSL (not too pretty) and this is something that we 
did not
provide a reasonable alternative for. Groovy makes a good candidate 
for an

alternative DSL but we don't have something yet which is comprehensively
documented with an easy auto-complete feature. This is very important 
for

many developers I think. So we need to think of a good alternative

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Scott Gray 


wrote:


I'm certainly no fan of minilang. I prefer something I can step through
with a debugger.

Regards
Scott

On 9/08/2016 20:55, "Paul Piper"  wrote:


Skip,

I fear that you may be right with regards to minilang and the 
community,
though luckily with your own projects you can set your own 
standards. I

learned the hard way that minilang leads to more cluttered code and

though
there are some benefits (the automapping of service maps or 
entity-auto

for

creating crud services), I would strongly recommend anyone to rather

invest

the time into proper java or groovy code.

As for the use of widgets over ftl, perhaps it is worth noting that we
streamlined both for Scipio ERP. They share the same underlying set of
macros and will create the hence create the same HTML & classes as are
defined by your theme. So if people prefer to use widgets, they 
can. We
relied on this, when cleaning up & converting usable screens alot, 
as not

always it would make sense to transfer them to ftl.

That being said, our goal is to further replace widgets by ftl 
logic as

we
move along. For both minilang and widgets the reason on our end is 
that
neither technology is used anywhere outside of the ofbiz project 
and thus
adds to the overall learning-curve for newcomers. We much rather 
rely on

trusted alternatives that are easier to pick up for our project ;)

Cheers,
Paul



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Re: Ofbiz Cookbook

[Jacques Le Roux]

+1

I think Jacopo has more to say about that :)

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Groovy+DSL+for+OFBiz+business+logic

Jacques


Le 09/08/2016 à 19:11, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :

I would like to add to what Scott already mentioned that minilang is not
only difficult to debug but also overly verbose.

However, minilang exists and continues to be used I think because of the
ctrl-space auto complete combined with XSD definitions for the statements.
This makes it a DSL (not too pretty) and this is something that we did not
provide a reasonable alternative for. Groovy makes a good candidate for an
alternative DSL but we don't have something yet which is comprehensively
documented with an easy auto-complete feature. This is very important for
many developers I think. So we need to think of a good alternative

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Scott Gray 
wrote:


I'm certainly no fan of minilang. I prefer something I can step through
with a debugger.

Regards
Scott

On 9/08/2016 20:55, "Paul Piper"  wrote:


Skip,

I fear that you may be right with regards to minilang and the community,
though luckily with your own projects you can set your own standards. I
learned the hard way that minilang leads to more cluttered code and

though

there are some benefits (the automapping of service maps or entity-auto

for

creating crud services), I would strongly recommend anyone to rather

invest

the time into proper java or groovy code.

As for the use of widgets over ftl, perhaps it is worth noting that we
streamlined both for Scipio ERP. They share the same underlying set of
macros and will create the hence create the same HTML & classes as are
defined by your theme. So if people prefer to use widgets, they can. We
relied on this, when cleaning up & converting usable screens alot, as not
always it would make sense to transfer them to ftl.

That being said, our goal is to further replace widgets by ftl logic as

we

move along. For both minilang and widgets the reason on our end is that
neither technology is used anywhere outside of the ofbiz project and thus
adds to the overall learning-curve for newcomers. We much rather rely on
trusted alternatives that are easier to pick up for our project ;)

Cheers,
Paul



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RE: Ofbiz Cookbook

[Skip]

...

For both minilang and widgets the reason on our end is that
neither technology is used anywhere outside of the ofbiz project and thus
adds to the overall learning-curve for newcomers. We much rather rely on
trusted alternatives that are easier to pick up for our project ;)

Cheers,
Paul

I couldn't agree more Paul.  Everyone we hire has to learn minilang and it
does indeed significantly add to the learning curve.

Re: Ofbiz Cookbook

[Taher Alkhateeb]

I would like to add to what Scott already mentioned that minilang is not
only difficult to debug but also overly verbose.

However, minilang exists and continues to be used I think because of the
ctrl-space auto complete combined with XSD definitions for the statements.
This makes it a DSL (not too pretty) and this is something that we did not
provide a reasonable alternative for. Groovy makes a good candidate for an
alternative DSL but we don't have something yet which is comprehensively
documented with an easy auto-complete feature. This is very important for
many developers I think. So we need to think of a good alternative

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Scott Gray 
wrote:

> I'm certainly no fan of minilang. I prefer something I can step through
> with a debugger.
>
> Regards
> Scott
>
> On 9/08/2016 20:55, "Paul Piper"  wrote:
>
> > Skip,
> >
> > I fear that you may be right with regards to minilang and the community,
> > though luckily with your own projects you can set your own standards. I
> > learned the hard way that minilang leads to more cluttered code and
> though
> > there are some benefits (the automapping of service maps or entity-auto
> for
> > creating crud services), I would strongly recommend anyone to rather
> invest
> > the time into proper java or groovy code.
> >
> > As for the use of widgets over ftl, perhaps it is worth noting that we
> > streamlined both for Scipio ERP. They share the same underlying set of
> > macros and will create the hence create the same HTML & classes as are
> > defined by your theme. So if people prefer to use widgets, they can. We
> > relied on this, when cleaning up & converting usable screens alot, as not
> > always it would make sense to transfer them to ftl.
> >
> > That being said, our goal is to further replace widgets by ftl logic as
> we
> > move along. For both minilang and widgets the reason on our end is that
> > neither technology is used anywhere outside of the ofbiz project and thus
> > adds to the overall learning-curve for newcomers. We much rather rely on
> > trusted alternatives that are easier to pick up for our project ;)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > com/Ofbiz-Cookbook-tp4690647p4690733.html
> > Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >
>

Re: Ofbiz Cookbook

[Pranay Pandey]

Very interesting discussion. What paul has mentioned is making perfect
sense.

Best regards,

Pranay Pandey
HotWax Systems
http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Paul Piper  wrote:

> Skip,
>
> I fear that you may be right with regards to minilang and the community,
> though luckily with your own projects you can set your own standards. I
> learned the hard way that minilang leads to more cluttered code and though
> there are some benefits (the automapping of service maps or entity-auto for
> creating crud services), I would strongly recommend anyone to rather invest
> the time into proper java or groovy code.
>
> As for the use of widgets over ftl, perhaps it is worth noting that we
> streamlined both for Scipio ERP. They share the same underlying set of
> macros and will create the hence create the same HTML & classes as are
> defined by your theme. So if people prefer to use widgets, they can. We
> relied on this, when cleaning up & converting usable screens alot, as not
> always it would make sense to transfer them to ftl.
>
> That being said, our goal is to further replace widgets by ftl logic as we
> move along. For both minilang and widgets the reason on our end is that
> neither technology is used anywhere outside of the ofbiz project and thus
> adds to the overall learning-curve for newcomers. We much rather rely on
> trusted alternatives that are easier to pick up for our project ;)
>
> Cheers,
> Paul
>
>
>
> --
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> com/Ofbiz-Cookbook-tp4690647p4690733.html
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>

RE: Ofbiz Cookbook

[Scott Gray]

I'm certainly no fan of minilang. I prefer something I can step through
with a debugger.

Regards
Scott

On 9/08/2016 20:55, "Paul Piper"  wrote:

> Skip,
>
> I fear that you may be right with regards to minilang and the community,
> though luckily with your own projects you can set your own standards. I
> learned the hard way that minilang leads to more cluttered code and though
> there are some benefits (the automapping of service maps or entity-auto for
> creating crud services), I would strongly recommend anyone to rather invest
> the time into proper java or groovy code.
>
> As for the use of widgets over ftl, perhaps it is worth noting that we
> streamlined both for Scipio ERP. They share the same underlying set of
> macros and will create the hence create the same HTML & classes as are
> defined by your theme. So if people prefer to use widgets, they can. We
> relied on this, when cleaning up & converting usable screens alot, as not
> always it would make sense to transfer them to ftl.
>
> That being said, our goal is to further replace widgets by ftl logic as we
> move along. For both minilang and widgets the reason on our end is that
> neither technology is used anywhere outside of the ofbiz project and thus
> adds to the overall learning-curve for newcomers. We much rather rely on
> trusted alternatives that are easier to pick up for our project ;)
>
> Cheers,
> Paul
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.
> com/Ofbiz-Cookbook-tp4690647p4690733.html
> Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>

RE: Ofbiz Cookbook

[Paul Piper]

Skip,

I fear that you may be right with regards to minilang and the community,
though luckily with your own projects you can set your own standards. I
learned the hard way that minilang leads to more cluttered code and though
there are some benefits (the automapping of service maps or entity-auto for
creating crud services), I would strongly recommend anyone to rather invest
the time into proper java or groovy code. 

As for the use of widgets over ftl, perhaps it is worth noting that we
streamlined both for Scipio ERP. They share the same underlying set of
macros and will create the hence create the same HTML & classes as are
defined by your theme. So if people prefer to use widgets, they can. We
relied on this, when cleaning up & converting usable screens alot, as not
always it would make sense to transfer them to ftl. 

That being said, our goal is to further replace widgets by ftl logic as we
move along. For both minilang and widgets the reason on our end is that
neither technology is used anywhere outside of the ofbiz project and thus
adds to the overall learning-curve for newcomers. We much rather rely on
trusted alternatives that are easier to pick up for our project ;)

Cheers,
Paul



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RE: Ofbiz Cookbook

[Skip]

Paul

I took the time to scan your link, but did not get into an in-depth perusal
of it.  At first glance, it is a fine overview, but in my opinion, not
nearly complete enough for a new user.  For this, I think Ruth's book is
much more useful.

I do like your decision to replace all the minilang services.  I too have
slowly been replacing them for my installations.  On the other hand, I
really like minilang screens for simple backend stuff.  You can write them
much more quickly than ftl so long as they are simple.

I also really like your new ftl macros.  I have been using the opentaps
macros for a long time and I think yours are significantly better especially
in their granularity and ability to support more display device types.  I
think Obbiz would greatly benefit if you considered contributing them back
to the Obbiz project.

Having said that, I am not sure there would be a consensus on the shift back
to ftl.  So many of the active contributors seem to like minilang.  I think
that is one of the reasons Si Chen started opentaps.

I completely missed seeing that Ruth had moved on.  That is sad.  But
hopefully, she is still getting royalities for her work.

Skip

-Original Message-
From: Paul Piper [mailto:p...@ilscipio.com]
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To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
Subject: Re: Ofbiz Cookbook


Hi Skip,

thanks for sharing. I completely agree with you on your opinion about the
books. We did a project together with Ruth before she left the community and
I said before that I think it is a shame that the community wasn't able to
value her contribution for what it is. Just like Rupert Howell's book, which
i can also highly recommend, the book is the standard textbook for all new
ofbiz developers and we recommend it to all customers we train.

Perhaps you would also be interested in checking out the Scipio
documentation: http://www.scipioerp.com/community/developer/architecture/

We try to maintain an easy to understand guideline that should be suitable
for beginners. I would love to hear your feedback on it.

Regards,
Paul



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Re: Ofbiz Cookbook

[Paul Piper]

Hi Skip,

thanks for sharing. I completely agree with you on your opinion about the
books. We did a project together with Ruth before she left the community and
I said before that I think it is a shame that the community wasn't able to
value her contribution for what it is. Just like Rupert Howell's book, which
i can also highly recommend, the book is the standard textbook for all new
ofbiz developers and we recommend it to all customers we train. 

Perhaps you would also be interested in checking out the Scipio
documentation: http://www.scipioerp.com/community/developer/architecture/ 

We try to maintain an easy to understand guideline that should be suitable
for beginners. I would love to hear your feedback on it. 

Regards,
Paul



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RE: Re: Ofbiz Cookbook

[user]

It has been passed 6 yrs, but Kindle version costs $17. I wonder, If the author 
(not publisher) still earns money on sales of the book?





06.08.2016, 5:15:23 пользователь Todd Thorner (tthor...@infotinuum.com) написал:

Thanks very much, Skip, for the information.    Sounds like a great book.    
I haven't done Java since Struts 1.x, so I'll need to shake off some 
language rust (not the language Rust but just plain old ordinary 
language rust).


On 16-08-05 03:27 PM, Skip wrote:
> There have been significant changes since this book was written.    However,
> it covers topics where very little would need to be added to make it
> current.    It does not cover the code in the applications tree where a great
> deal has changed.    It focuses on the framework which is what you really want
> when you are making new applications for hot-deploy.    I think with this
> book, you are well prepared to write new applications assuming previous Java
> experience.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Todd Thorner [mailto:tthor...@infotinuum.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 1:00 PM
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Ofbiz Cookbook
>
>
> Thank you for the recommendation.    I read Ms. Hoffman's "OFBiz Ecommerce
> Out-Of-The-Box" as a primer of sorts, and based on that positive
> experience will consider saving my pennies so I can purchase her OFBiz
> cookbook.
>
> Is there any reason to anticipate a need for an updated edition? Have
> there been many significant changes to OFBiz (or its complementary
> considerations like data modeling strategies) since 2010?
>
>
>
> On 16-08-05 10:55 AM, Skip wrote:
>> I just got finished reading Apache OFBiz Cookbook (Open Source: Community
>> Experience Distilled) by Ruth Hoffman.
>>
>> I have been writing Ofbiz code since before it was an Apache project.
> This
>> book would have saved me six months of digging through Ofbiz code and
>> inspite of my nearly a decade of experience, I still learned several new
>> things in it.
>>
>> I highly recommend this book to everyone, beginner and expert alike and
>> strongly recommend this book for anyone just getting started.    It is well
>> written and worth every penny.    When you get the Data Resource book, get
>> this one too and read it first.
>>
>> Amazon has it here
>>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1847199186/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?i
>> e=UTF8=1
>>
>>
>> I have never met or spoken to Ruth even though she posts on this forum
> from
>> time to time.
>>
>> Thanks Ruth.
>>
>> Skip
>>
>

Re: Ofbiz Cookbook

[Todd Thorner]

Thanks very much, Skip, for the information.  Sounds like a great book.  
I haven't done Java since Struts 1.x, so I'll need to shake off some 
language rust (not the language Rust but just plain old ordinary 
language rust).



On 16-08-05 03:27 PM, Skip wrote:

There have been significant changes since this book was written.  However,
it covers topics where very little would need to be added to make it
current.  It does not cover the code in the applications tree where a great
deal has changed.  It focuses on the framework which is what you really want
when you are making new applications for hot-deploy.  I think with this
book, you are well prepared to write new applications assuming previous Java
experience.

-Original Message-
From: Todd Thorner [mailto:tthor...@infotinuum.com]
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 1:00 PM
To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
Subject: Re: Ofbiz Cookbook


Thank you for the recommendation.  I read Ms. Hoffman's "OFBiz Ecommerce
Out-Of-The-Box" as a primer of sorts, and based on that positive
experience will consider saving my pennies so I can purchase her OFBiz
cookbook.

Is there any reason to anticipate a need for an updated edition? Have
there been many significant changes to OFBiz (or its complementary
considerations like data modeling strategies) since 2010?



On 16-08-05 10:55 AM, Skip wrote:

I just got finished reading Apache OFBiz Cookbook (Open Source: Community
Experience Distilled) by Ruth Hoffman.

I have been writing Ofbiz code since before it was an Apache project.

This

book would have saved me six months of digging through Ofbiz code and
inspite of my nearly a decade of experience, I still learned several new
things in it.

I highly recommend this book to everyone, beginner and expert alike and
strongly recommend this book for anyone just getting started.  It is well
written and worth every penny.  When you get the Data Resource book, get
this one too and read it first.

Amazon has it here


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1847199186/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?i

e=UTF8=1


I have never met or spoken to Ruth even though she posts on this forum

from

time to time.

Thanks Ruth.

Skip

RE: Ofbiz Cookbook

[Skip]

There have been significant changes since this book was written.  However,
it covers topics where very little would need to be added to make it
current.  It does not cover the code in the applications tree where a great
deal has changed.  It focuses on the framework which is what you really want
when you are making new applications for hot-deploy.  I think with this
book, you are well prepared to write new applications assuming previous Java
experience.

-Original Message-
From: Todd Thorner [mailto:tthor...@infotinuum.com]
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 1:00 PM
To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
Subject: Re: Ofbiz Cookbook


Thank you for the recommendation.  I read Ms. Hoffman's "OFBiz Ecommerce
Out-Of-The-Box" as a primer of sorts, and based on that positive
experience will consider saving my pennies so I can purchase her OFBiz
cookbook.

Is there any reason to anticipate a need for an updated edition? Have
there been many significant changes to OFBiz (or its complementary
considerations like data modeling strategies) since 2010?



On 16-08-05 10:55 AM, Skip wrote:
> I just got finished reading Apache OFBiz Cookbook (Open Source: Community
> Experience Distilled) by Ruth Hoffman.
>
> I have been writing Ofbiz code since before it was an Apache project.
This
> book would have saved me six months of digging through Ofbiz code and
> inspite of my nearly a decade of experience, I still learned several new
> things in it.
>
> I highly recommend this book to everyone, beginner and expert alike and
> strongly recommend this book for anyone just getting started.  It is well
> written and worth every penny.  When you get the Data Resource book, get
> this one too and read it first.
>
> Amazon has it here
>
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1847199186/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?i
> e=UTF8=1
>
>
> I have never met or spoken to Ruth even though she posts on this forum
from
> time to time.
>
> Thanks Ruth.
>
> Skip
>

Re: Ofbiz Cookbook

[Todd Thorner]

Thank you for the recommendation.  I read Ms. Hoffman's "OFBiz Ecommerce 
Out-Of-The-Box" as a primer of sorts, and based on that positive 
experience will consider saving my pennies so I can purchase her OFBiz 
cookbook.


Is there any reason to anticipate a need for an updated edition? Have 
there been many significant changes to OFBiz (or its complementary 
considerations like data modeling strategies) since 2010?




On 16-08-05 10:55 AM, Skip wrote:

I just got finished reading Apache OFBiz Cookbook (Open Source: Community
Experience Distilled) by Ruth Hoffman.

I have been writing Ofbiz code since before it was an Apache project.  This
book would have saved me six months of digging through Ofbiz code and
inspite of my nearly a decade of experience, I still learned several new
things in it.

I highly recommend this book to everyone, beginner and expert alike and
strongly recommend this book for anyone just getting started.  It is well
written and worth every penny.  When you get the Data Resource book, get
this one too and read it first.

Amazon has it here
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1847199186/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?i
e=UTF8=1


I have never met or spoken to Ruth even though she posts on this forum from
time to time.

Thanks Ruth.

Skip