Re: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

[Ian Walker]

Hi all

Fabio Penon was the primary engineer that IH helped select, on which to base
their Due Diligence, for purchase of the E-Cat license and IP access, they
were so happy with his work, and that of the team they selected and that they
agreed for him to run; that they spent $10 million dollars as a result.

There is no wiggle room with facts they are when all is said and done facts.

And it is fact that IH were happy enough with Fabio Penon's
qualifications, experience and abilities spend $10 million dollars on
using him as their source of adequate Due Diligence for buying the
E-Cat License and seeing the E-Cat IP.

IH could at any time in the past few years have asked for him to
replaced, but the fact remains they did not do so, ipso facto by IH's
own inaction he was IH's choice for the ERV and they were fully
satisfied with him.

Kind Regards walker

Re: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

[Terry Blanton]

An interesting discourse on Engineering Comity:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8mt4mJOTGvBeHU1THRGaHFIZDQ/view?usp=sharing

RE: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

[Russ George]

The idea that a person is qualified because their parent paid for their Phd is 
preposterous. The title 'doctor' or 'doctore' used to only be conveyed upon a 
person by their peers after decades of work in the field. Then universities saw 
the opportunity to go whoring and sell titles to the children of parents with 
money. Later the student loan industry turned this into an even more 
disgraceful system in the money grubbing USA. To see some trying to suggest 
that a 'degree' given by a whoring institution is worth more than the trust of 
peers is the sort of idiocy one expects these days, not unusual in this time of 
the likes of the US republican party and its dedication to the stupid and 
avaricious. 

Turning a discussion on Rossi's work into a perverse discussion about Penon's 
degree is such text book troll behavior as to take Vortex into utter absurdity. 
Those casting aspersions on Penon should post their own credentials, if they do 
not and are critical of Penon then they define themselves as the worst of 
trolls. It's too bad Vortex doesn't have a feature like Facebook where one 
simply block those who prove themselves to be trolls or worse.

-Original Message-
From: a.ashfield [mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net] 
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 1:43 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

Thanks to those that have replied with useful links.

"It was almost a thousand years ago, when the University of Bologna, or Alma 
Mater Studiorum (Nourishing Mother of Studies), the oldest university 
functioning constantly started teaching various disciplines at graduate level. "
"Cost effective study options and minimal tuition fees are Europe’s mere 
advantage and deserve commendation, therefore this advantage should not be 
lost. "

That said, the American UNiversities have a lot more money.  I my opinion they 
are now not good value for money.  College cost increased more than 500% while 
the consumer price index increased 121%  The actual cost of instruction only 
went up less than 10% Sending more money there didn’t work.  Student loans now 
total $1.2 trillion.  Only 60% graduate within six years, the remainder has to 
pay off the debt without a degree.  A CareerBuilder Survey finds 51% of 
employed 2014 college grads are in Jobs that don’t require a degree.  Just 27 
percent of college grads had a job that was closely related to their major.  It 
seems universities are more interested in acquiring student fees than preparing 
them for the world. Harvard professor Clayton Christensen predicted that in 15 
years half these institutions would be in bankruptcy.

It is still not clear to me what degree Penon has.  It doesn't look like it is  
PhD but as others have pointed out, the master's degree carries the title of 
Dr. there.  Certainly Beene belittles Penon by calling him a glorified 
mechanic.  As a licensed engineer he should be qualified to do the assessment.  
Probably better than a lot of scientists who have had no practical training or 
experience.


"The Bologna University system

University studies are divided into three cycles:

First cycle and Single cycle degree programmes: First Cycle Degrees, Single 
Cycle Degrees.

Second cycle degree programmes: Second Cycle degree programme.

Third cycle degree programmes: Doctoral studies (PhD) and Specialisation 
Schools.

The University also runs vocational programmes including First and Second level 
Professional Master's Programmes, Post-Graduate programmes, Lifelong Learning 
Courses and Intensive Courses.

The qualifications awarded are: first cycle degree (laurea - L) and second 
cycle degree (laurea magistrale - LM). To obtain a first cycle degree, students 
must acquire 180 educational credits (CFU) in a maximum of 20 exams; to obtain 
a second cycle degree they must acquire 120 CFU, in a maximum of 12 exams."

Re: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

[a.ashfield]

Thanks to those that have replied with useful links.

"It was almost a thousand years ago, when the University of Bologna, or 
Alma Mater Studiorum (Nourishing Mother of Studies), the oldest 
university functioning constantly started teaching various disciplines 
at graduate level. "
"Cost effective study options and minimal tuition fees are Europe’s mere 
advantage and deserve commendation, therefore this advantage should not 
be lost. "


That said, the American UNiversities have a lot more money.  I my 
opinion they are now not good value for money.  College cost increased 
more than 500% while the consumer price index increased 121%  The actual 
cost of instruction only went up less than 10% Sending more money there 
didn’t work.  Student loans now total $1.2 trillion.  Only 60% graduate 
within six years, the remainder has to pay off the debt without a 
degree.  A CareerBuilder Survey finds 51% of employed 2014 college grads 
are in Jobs that don’t require a degree.  Just 27 percent of college 
grads had a job that was closely related to their major.  It seems 
universities are more interested in acquiring student fees than 
preparing them for the world. Harvard professor Clayton Christensen 
predicted that in 15 years half these institutions would be in bankruptcy.


It is still not clear to me what degree Penon has.  It doesn't look like 
it is  PhD but as others have pointed out, the master's degree carries 
the title of Dr. there.  Certainly Beene belittles Penon by calling him 
a glorified mechanic.  As a licensed engineer he should be qualified to 
do the assessment.  Probably better than a lot of scientists who have 
had no practical training or experience.



"The Bologna University system

University studies are divided into three cycles:

First cycle and Single cycle degree programmes: First Cycle Degrees, 
Single Cycle Degrees.


Second cycle degree programmes: Second Cycle degree programme.

Third cycle degree programmes: Doctoral studies (PhD) and Specialisation 
Schools.


The University also runs vocational programmes including First and 
Second level Professional Master's Programmes, Post-Graduate programmes, 
Lifelong Learning Courses and Intensive Courses.


The qualifications awarded are: first cycle degree (laurea - L) and 
second cycle degree (laurea magistrale - LM). To obtain a first cycle 
degree, students must acquire 180 educational credits (CFU) in a maximum 
of 20 exams; to obtain a second cycle degree they must acquire 120 CFU, 
in a maximum of 12 exams."

RE: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

[Jones Beene]

From: Lennart Thornros 

 

So, if your credentials are not from the US then you can be called any 
demeaning name?

 

You can if you use your skills, or lack thereof, to facilitate a scam.

RE: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

[Jones Beene]

From: Russ George 

 

Nor is Jones Beene, he has no credentials even proving he passed kindergarten!

 

Hmm… you nailed me, Russ. 

 

I flunked kindergarten 101. And let me add, we are so fortunate to be in the 
presence of a true …err… LENR pioneer?

 

Here are the distinguished credentials of the vortex troll - Russ George, 
courtesy of:

 

 

 
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/companies/RussGeorge/Russ-George-Low-Energy-Nuclear-Reaction-Research-LENR-and-Plankton-Carbon-Credit.shtml

 

which include, according to the aforementioned Steve Krivit

1. Invents Business Transactions 
George invents business transactions, sometimes between his own corporations, 
to give the appearance that those corporations, which usually exist only on 
paper, have value. Usually, they have no assets. 

2. Uses Scientists' or Institutions’ Names Without Permission or Authorization 
George uses the names of recognized, qualified scientists and institutions 
without their permission, in association with himself, to give the appearance 
that his businesses have value, recognition and prestige. 

3. Creates Illusions That He Has Supportive Scientific Data 
George uses the allure of science to give the impression that his proposed 
technologies are supported by credible scientific research when, in fact, they 
often are not. 

4. Makes False Claims to Ownership of Credible Scientific Data 
Of the credible science that George claims as his own research, most of the 
data and research belong to someone else. 

And the list goes on…

 

 

 

Re: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

[Lennart Thornros]

So, if your credentials are not from the US then you can be called any
demeaning name?
Well, maybe I need to talk to people with a wider approach to life.
I have met many and employed a few people with very good education and
other credentia , which turned out to be without any indication of their
ability to do the job - and I have seen the opposite. (People with no
formal education being very capable.)
There is debate going on about how difficult it is to implement caliometric
technology. I can guarantee that evaluate other people is by far more
difficult and more full of pitfalls than any caliometric technology. Most
people have unique qualities. Unfortunately some does not know or
understand their capacity and others have a blown up self centered believe
that they are capable in all trades. I think both situations are pitiful.

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros


lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899

Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)


On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Russ George <russ.geo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Nor is Jones Beene, he has no credentials even proving he passed
> kindergarten!
>
>
>
> *From:* Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 10, 2016 12:58 PM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:Fabio Penon
>
>
>
> Sean,
>
>
>
> He is a professional engineer in Italy by their standards.
>
>
>
> Until he is licensed in the USA as a professional engineer, he is a
> “glorified mechanic”.
>
>
>
> He is no PhD or Doctor in either country.
>
>
>
> *From:* Sean True
>
>
>
> His curriculum vita: http://www.cobraf.com/forum/immagini/R_123620809_1.pdf
>
>
>
> His registration with the Italian National Council of Engineers: 
> https://www.tuttoingegnere.it/PortaleCNI/it/albo_unico.wp;jsessionid=2B2157893F630F8D03291BDA1DDD3B14.tomcatprogetti?internalServletFrameDest=8=/ExtStr2/do/ricercaRegistro/dettaglio.action=false=FABIO.PENON.PD2311
>
>
>
> Mr Beene may be posing an equivalence being a Professional Engineer and being 
> a mechanic.
>
> If I were to criticize Ing. Penon's credentials, it would be that he appears 
> to spend a lot of time doing management consulting and not reading gauges. 
> Not exactly "glorified mechanics".
>
>
>
> -- ST
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 3:39 PM, a.ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a direct reference for Fabio Penon's qualifications?   I
> see him listed in several European sources as: Dr. Ing. Fabio Penon, Ph.D.
> in Nuclear Engineering (with 110/110 summa cum laude at the Alma Mater of
> Bologna-Italy ).
>
> Jones Beene has stated he doesn't have a PhD and is just a glorified
> mechanic.
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

[Russ George]

Nor is Jones Beene, he has no credentials even proving he passed kindergarten!

 

From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 12:58 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

 

Sean,

 

He is a professional engineer in Italy by their standards. 

 

Until he is licensed in the USA as a professional engineer, he is a “glorified 
mechanic”. 

 

He is no PhD or Doctor in either country.

 

From: Sean True 

 

His curriculum vita:  <http://www.cobraf.com/forum/immagini/R_123620809_1.pdf> 
http://www.cobraf.com/forum/immagini/R_123620809_1.pdf
 
His registration with the Italian National Council of Engineers:  
<https://www.tuttoingegnere.it/PortaleCNI/it/albo_unico.wp;jsessionid=2B2157893F630F8D03291BDA1DDD3B14.tomcatprogetti?internalServletFrameDest=8=/ExtStr2/do/ricercaRegistro/dettaglio.action=false=FABIO.PENON.PD2311>
 
https://www.tuttoingegnere.it/PortaleCNI/it/albo_unico.wp;jsessionid=2B2157893F630F8D03291BDA1DDD3B14.tomcatprogetti?internalServletFrameDest=8=/ExtStr2/do/ricercaRegistro/dettaglio.action=false=FABIO.PENON.PD2311
 
Mr Beene may be posing an equivalence being a Professional Engineer and being a 
mechanic. 
If I were to criticize Ing. Penon's credentials, it would be that he appears to 
spend a lot of time doing management consulting and not reading gauges. Not 
exactly "glorified mechanics".
 
-- ST

 

On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 3:39 PM, a.ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net 
<mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net> > wrote:

Does anyone have a direct reference for Fabio Penon's qualifications?   I see 
him listed in several European sources as: Dr. Ing. Fabio Penon, Ph.D. in 
Nuclear Engineering (with 110/110 summa cum laude at the Alma Mater of 
Bologna-Italy ).

Jones Beene has stated he doesn't have a PhD and is just a glorified mechanic.

 

Re: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

[Sean True]

If by Professional Engineer, you mean "recognized by a licensing board in
the US", I'll accept the notion, while not considering it in any way
significant. Using "glorified mechanic" does seem like code for something
else, however.

It's well known that only the US has professional engineers, and that a
proper education is only available from US education institution. :-)

-- ST

On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Sean,
>
>
>
> He is a professional engineer in Italy by their standards.
>
>
>
> Until he is licensed in the USA as a professional engineer, he is a
> “glorified mechanic”.
>
>
>
> He is no PhD or Doctor in either country.
>
>
>
> *From:* Sean True
>
>
>
> His curriculum vita: http://www.cobraf.com/forum/immagini/R_123620809_1.pdf
>
>
>
> His registration with the Italian National Council of Engineers: 
> https://www.tuttoingegnere.it/PortaleCNI/it/albo_unico.wp;jsessionid=2B2157893F630F8D03291BDA1DDD3B14.tomcatprogetti?internalServletFrameDest=8=/ExtStr2/do/ricercaRegistro/dettaglio.action=false=FABIO.PENON.PD2311
>
>
>
> Mr Beene may be posing an equivalence being a Professional Engineer and being 
> a mechanic.
>
> If I were to criticize Ing. Penon's credentials, it would be that he appears 
> to spend a lot of time doing management consulting and not reading gauges. 
> Not exactly "glorified mechanics".
>
>
>
> -- ST
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 3:39 PM, a.ashfield 
> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a direct reference for Fabio Penon's qualifications?   I
> see him listed in several European sources as: Dr. Ing. Fabio Penon, Ph.D.
> in Nuclear Engineering (with 110/110 summa cum laude at the Alma Mater of
> Bologna-Italy ).
>
> Jones Beene has stated he doesn't have a PhD and is just a glorified
> mechanic.
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

[Giovanni Santostasi]

It used to be that you needed just a 4 years degree (that involved a final
thesis) called a Laurea to become a dottore in Italy. It is not really the
equivalent of Master but something a bit more but not quite a PhD.
Eventually a Dottorato di Ricerca was introduced and that is the Italian
equivalent of an anglosaxon PhD.

Giovanni

On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> I recall hearing that everyone with a master's degree in Italy is called
> "Doctor," and Wikipedia indicates that this is the case [1]. That implies
> that Penon need not have a PhD to be called "dottore."  That also makes
> sense of why people call Rossi "Dr. Rossi," although I think the rules of
> the language being used (English) should take precedence here.
>
> As Penon's CV shows, he has a "Laurea" (Master's degree) in nuclear
> engineering.
>
> Eric
>
>
> [1]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurea#Former_status_of_the_Laurea_degree
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 2:39 PM, a.ashfield 
> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have a direct reference for Fabio Penon's qualifications?   I
>> see him listed in several European sources as: Dr. Ing. Fabio Penon, Ph.D.
>> in Nuclear Engineering (with 110/110 summa cum laude at the Alma Mater of
>> Bologna-Italy ).
>>
>> Jones Beene has stated he doesn't have a PhD and is just a glorified
>> mechanic.
>>
>>
>

RE: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

[Jones Beene]

Sean,

 

He is a professional engineer in Italy by their standards. 

 

Until he is licensed in the USA as a professional engineer, he is a “glorified 
mechanic”. 

 

He is no PhD or Doctor in either country.

 

From: Sean True 

 

His curriculum vita:   
http://www.cobraf.com/forum/immagini/R_123620809_1.pdf
 
His registration with the Italian National Council of Engineers:  

 
https://www.tuttoingegnere.it/PortaleCNI/it/albo_unico.wp;jsessionid=2B2157893F630F8D03291BDA1DDD3B14.tomcatprogetti?internalServletFrameDest=8=/ExtStr2/do/ricercaRegistro/dettaglio.action=false=FABIO.PENON.PD2311
 
Mr Beene may be posing an equivalence being a Professional Engineer and being a 
mechanic. 
If I were to criticize Ing. Penon's credentials, it would be that he appears to 
spend a lot of time doing management consulting and not reading gauges. Not 
exactly "glorified mechanics".
 
-- ST

 

On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 3:39 PM, a.ashfield  wrote:

Does anyone have a direct reference for Fabio Penon's qualifications?   I see 
him listed in several European sources as: Dr. Ing. Fabio Penon, Ph.D. in 
Nuclear Engineering (with 110/110 summa cum laude at the Alma Mater of 
Bologna-Italy ).

Jones Beene has stated he doesn't have a PhD and is just a glorified mechanic.

 

Re: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

[Eric Walker]

I recall hearing that everyone with a master's degree in Italy is called
"Doctor," and Wikipedia indicates that this is the case [1]. That implies
that Penon need not have a PhD to be called "dottore."  That also makes
sense of why people call Rossi "Dr. Rossi," although I think the rules of
the language being used (English) should take precedence here.

As Penon's CV shows, he has a "Laurea" (Master's degree) in nuclear
engineering.

Eric


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurea#Former_status_of_the_Laurea_degree



On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 2:39 PM, a.ashfield  wrote:

> Does anyone have a direct reference for Fabio Penon's qualifications?   I
> see him listed in several European sources as: Dr. Ing. Fabio Penon, Ph.D.
> in Nuclear Engineering (with 110/110 summa cum laude at the Alma Mater of
> Bologna-Italy ).
>
> Jones Beene has stated he doesn't have a PhD and is just a glorified
> mechanic.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Fabio Penon

[Sean True]

His curriculum vita: http://www.cobraf.com/forum/immagini/R_123620809_1.pdf


His registration with the Italian National Council of Engineers:
https://www.tuttoingegnere.it/PortaleCNI/it/albo_unico.wp;jsessionid=2B2157893F630F8D03291BDA1DDD3B14.tomcatprogetti?internalServletFrameDest=8=/ExtStr2/do/ricercaRegistro/dettaglio.action=false=FABIO.PENON.PD2311


Mr Beene may be posing an equivalence being a Professional Engineer
and being a mechanic.

If I were to criticize Ing. Penon's credentials, it would be that he
appears to spend a lot of time doing management consulting and not
reading gauges. Not exactly "glorified mechanics".


-- ST


On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 3:39 PM, a.ashfield  wrote:

> Does anyone have a direct reference for Fabio Penon's qualifications?   I
> see him listed in several European sources as: Dr. Ing. Fabio Penon, Ph.D.
> in Nuclear Engineering (with 110/110 summa cum laude at the Alma Mater of
> Bologna-Italy ).
>
> Jones Beene has stated he doesn't have a PhD and is just a glorified
> mechanic.
>
>

[Vo]:Fabio Penon

[a.ashfield]

Does anyone have a direct reference for Fabio Penon's qualifications?   
I see him listed in several European sources as: Dr. Ing. Fabio Penon, 
Ph.D. in Nuclear Engineering (with 110/110 summa cum laude at the Alma 
Mater of Bologna-Italy ).


Jones Beene has stated he doesn't have a PhD and is just a glorified 
mechanic.