Re: [abcusers] The ABC applications database

of the MOZART music notation software (url in sig) and I am belatedly getting round to adding support for abc. I've been reading the May 2000 abc spec 1.7.6 but I believe that is just for a single line of music. Is there an official description/specification of the V: extension anywhere? Dave David

Re: [abcusers] The abc standard

as possible. Next year too. Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band http://www.northcheshire.org.uk To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] The abc standard

otherwise ... :-) Always the optimist eh Bernard? Still one can always try :-) Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band http://www.northcheshire.org.uk To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser

Re: [abcusers] The abc standard

of the abc file. Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band http://www.northcheshire.org.uk To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] The abc standard

of mine) are clamouring for abc import because there's so much stuff out there, then we want to read *everything*. And life is suddenly harder without a strict standard. :-( Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire

Re: [abcusers] The abc standard

language. Actually this isn't *just* a programmer's viewpoint.If it is easy to parse then that also probably means that it is free of ambiguities - which is crucial when the same character symbol eg A, ], : is used as part of different constructs. Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music

Re: [abcusers] Re: My point of view on the abc standard

programs can specialize. Specialising is great for *writing* files, but is more difficult if you want to read one from an unknown source. Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band http://www.northcheshire.org.uk

[abcusers] abc standard and application-dependence

and make sense. Forgive me if this has already been done: I'm just thinking out loud, inspired by so many good folk here :-) Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band http://www.northcheshire.org.uk

Re: [abcusers] The abc standard

spec before he does :-) Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band http://www.northcheshire.org.uk To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] Re: My point of view on the abc standard

by hand omitted it (as someone pointed out they would). Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band http://www.northcheshire.org.uk To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com

Re: [abcusers] abc standard and application-dependence

name and application-specific data. Maybe this symbol (I had in mind @pplication) is also a bad choice as outlook-express turns it blue and underlines it. :-( Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band

Re: [abcusers] Re: My point of view on the abc standard

and elegantly incorporated, I guess one has a better chance of getting them :-) Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band http://www.northcheshire.org.uk To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http

Re: [abcusers] abc standard and application-dependence

. %%namespace:info Probably better. In which case standard commands woud be part of the abc default namespace. Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band http://www.northcheshire.org.uk To subscribe

Re: [abcusers] re : My point of view on the abc standard

of how people like you and me would get paid for our time if we put out the fruits of our many man years' labour as open source. If I can crack it, then MOZART will have an abc import soon(ish) too. But I have a living to make too. :-( Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor

Re: [abcusers] A bit of history

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Re: [abcusers] About BarFly m: macros

the macro. If all macros are like that and the existence of m: is documented, it will ensure that macros do not break programs which ignore them. Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band http

Re: [abcusers] codepages

From: Bernard Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or even English: The First Noël That would be French. In English it's The First Nowell. Well Chloë then. I have Spike Jones's magnificent recording somewhere and I'm sure the title is spelled like that :-) Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music

Re: [abcusers] Free notation program for Windows - let's write it...

is passionately interested in, and find other jobs very mundane indeed. Giving the former away for free and having to make a living at the other is very unattractive. Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band

[abcusers] abc2win and ! line breaks.

be set to say that !...! is a special symbol, and developers can programs to read files on that basis UNLESS the header contains abc2win in which case it is a line break! Someone tell me that life really could be that simple! Please!! Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor

Re: [abcusers] abc2win and ! line breaks.

anything if it is not :-( Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band http://www.northcheshire.org.uk To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] abc2win and ! line breaks.

in existing files, and something therefore which urgently needs sorting out in a standard. *Anything* which helps divine its purpose in existing files is useful at this stage. Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire

Re: [abcusers] Stars and Bangs

is detecting which purpose ! has been used for in an existing file. There are clues (eg is there only one on a line? is what is between !..! recognisable as a specified item? does the file contain abc2win?) but nothing comletely definitive. Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor

Re: [abcusers] A-G fields in tune

number of notes per bar, don't they? Could this not be entirely legal with the E (corresponding with the L: setting) occupying an entire bar? Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band http

Re: [abcusers] End of 2nd time bar

, sometimes at the end of the last time bar there is a standard thin double bar || and sometimes there isn't. But I guess it's a good way to signal one in abc. Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band

Re: [abcusers] K:Hp anyone?

Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band http://www.northcheshire.org.uk To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] End of 2nd time bar

. I can't lay my hand on an example at the moment, but in trying I have found lots of examples of the other case we discussed: open ended 2nd time endings. The more usual convention appears to be that it covers the same number of bars as the first time, rather than just one. Dave David Webber

Re: [abcusers] End of 2nd time bar

in cases like (dons composing hat) L:1/4 .|1 c e g e | c d e f :|2 c e g f | e4 |] :-) Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band http://www.northcheshire.org.uk To subscribe/unsubscribe, point

Re: [abcusers] Re: chord lengths

it is used to denote an insertion or omission. (L. carere=to be in need of). Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band http://www.northcheshire.org.uk To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http

Re: [abcusers] caret

by Australian printers :-) Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band http://www.northcheshire.org.uk To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] ABC examples with bang?

of extensions. Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band http://www.northcheshire.org.uk To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] Announcement: ABC 2.0.0 draft online

From: Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] But, one little thought occurred to me, re the much-discussed and little-agreed ! staff-break. With no prejudice as to whether this ought to exist, etc etc (except that, the more I think about it, the more I'd like it, so, if it helps ...) it needn't

Re: [abcusers] Announcement: ABC 2.0.0 draft online

From: John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Webber writes: | | Forgive me if this has been suggested before but could not a double | | !! | | be used to indicate a line break. This would be consistent with | the !whatever! usage with absence of any characters indicating a | line

Re: [abcusers] Announcement: ABC 2.0.0 draft online

From: Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hear here ! (I'm never quite sure which that should be) Hear! hear! - you are inviting speople to listen to what somone has just said. :-) Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member

Re: [abcusers] Re: ABC sects

by hand -without acting on it then it will cause problems. (But given that abc is specifically writable by hand, there are always going to be difficult files.This is one reason for making the standard as easy as possible to understand - and I commend Guido's efforts.) Dave David Webber Author

Re: [abcusers] Re: %%ABC 2.0 identifier

their software read all million dialects of abc. But more likely they are up the creek without the encumbrance of having a paddle. Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band http://www.northcheshire.org.uk

[abcusers] Use of !

files as they wish. One could be the default for the future (and I'd prefer the latter as it is more generally useful) but people should be encouraged to make it explicit either way. If absent, software would have to try and cope with a best guess. Just an idea. Guido? Dave David Webber Author

Re: [abcusers] Use of !

'!' a newline if not followed by 0-9A-Za-z; a flag otherwise. From a developer's perspective, this should be very easy to implement. That doesn't work. Cf a new line of the form a b c d |!a b c d | Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member

Re: [abcusers] Use of !

From: Guido Gonzato [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, David Webber wrote: That doesn't work. Cf a new line of the form a b c d |!a b c d | right. But this is ugly syntax. Well I am no expert on what people consider ugly - all I want is consistent and unambiguous. :-) Sooner

Re: [abcusers] Re: ABC sects

From: Frank Nordberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Webber wrote: No! If a piece of software ignores the standard that line break=music break, when reading then it is most certainly not breaking the standard, it is merely ignoring it. Hmmm... Just to make absolutely sure about this: I

Re: [abcusers] Floating voices

the brass; all the woodwind. Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band http://www.northcheshire.org.uk To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] Re: %%ABC 2.0 identifier

enhancements. The only required rule would be that the music has to make syntactic sense if any of the namespace items is ignored. Dave David Webber Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk Member of the North Cheshire Concert Band http://www.northcheshire.org.uk

Re: [abcusers] abcm2ps questions

they may have had some US-letter hidden away somewhere but I didn't see any (in any weight or colour), and I would really be quite surprised to find any. Just as I would be surprised to find the old UK standards foolscap and quarto. Dave David Webber Author MOZART the music processor for Windows - http

Re: [abcusers] abcm2ps questions

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Re: [abcusers] Current specification - Deathlike appearance.

file. If 1.7.6 is given official status I would expect to see !pp! in version 2 (and therefore no ! for line breaks). Don't get me wrong: I don't really care which it is as long as it is consistent. Dave David Webber Author MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk

Re: [abcusers] !Current specification!

there). Thanks. That was my understanding. If this is so popular, then perhaps !pp! etc should be changed to +pp+ in the 1.76 spec, to make it agree with the 2.0 spec (in which I assume all the reasons discussed led to this definition). Dave David Webber Author MOZART the music processor for Windows

Re: [abcusers] Exchange of songs

From: Ulf Bro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The way things are at the moment there is no way to exchange jazz standards or rock songs or any contemporary pop music. You have just defined copyright law in a nutshell.Composers of music like to be paid when people use their work. Dave David Webber

Re: [abcusers] On parsers again - Outlook PHP

, the old days! :-) Dave David Webber Author MOZART the music processor for Windows - http://www.mozart.co.uk For discussion/support see http://www.mozart.co.uk/mzusers/mailinglist.htm To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html