Re: [AFMUG] DC power supplies in parallel

2024-04-26 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Since I accidentally derailed your thread, I figure I should reply to your original query. I'm a fan of reducing complexity where possible. The problem is that defining complexity is often ISP and site specific, and sometimes the least complex solution is also impossible to have staff maintain.

Re: [AFMUG] DC power supplies in parallel

2024-04-26 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Tesla is recommending this because LFP has a very flat discharge curve, so it is difficult to know the state of charge just from the battery voltage. In order to provide an accurate battery meter, they have to do coulomb counting (or some similar method) which keeps track of energy in and out of

[AFMUG] sale bulk used Mikrotik swtiches

2024-04-26 Thread Zach Underwood
We are working on pulling out Mikrotik switches from the network and looking for vendors to buy the used switches. I have tried SWG and they went silent on emails so I am looking for another vendor. All hardware is located in ATL but can bulk ship. We have almost all models of crs1xx, crs2xx,

Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia

2024-04-26 Thread Robert
In a lot of the US fire stations aren't getting staffed because the firefighters are totally keeping the jobs staffed at levels that require massive overtime at 2x pay to spike their income for the purpose of maximizing retirement pay. And that's not a California specialty.   Happening in NV

Re: [AFMUG] DC power supplies in parallel

2024-04-26 Thread Robert
This is what Tesla is recommending for the LFP based model 3 and model Y versions.   100% charge.  VS the 80% for the other chemistries.   Tesla is also going more in on LFP solutions and the latest investor presentation said their proprietary model "breakthrough" battery is no longer an

Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia

2024-04-26 Thread Robert
Kinda makes you wonder what the actual return is on the MASSIVE $$ that the feds are dumping into broadband providers?   Anyone want to fill in actual numbers? On 4/26/24 3:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Article:

Re: [AFMUG] DC power supplies in parallel

2024-04-26 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
That is a "lie" the BMS is telling you. When the BMS reports zero, there is always a certain percentage of power left in the battery.Often around 20%. This is because a battery under 20% (or a similar amount) can be dangerous. My understanding is that some manufacturers do the same thing

Re: [AFMUG] DC power supplies in parallel

2024-04-26 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Just to clarify.. In lithium chemistry batteries there are several aging mechanisms. Many of them occur most often below 20% or above 80% (or 85%). There are also aging mechanisms which work more slowly the less energy is in the battery. This applies just as much to LiFePO4 as other

Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia

2024-04-26 Thread Josh Luthman
Fire stations here are failing. They can't staff them. Townships can't fund them so they're paying cities much higher rates per call. On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Everything’s political now, of course. > > > > But he does have a point when he says “Government-owned

Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia

2024-04-26 Thread Josh Luthman
You're surprised the government doesn't waste? What did you do with Chuck? On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 6:38 PM wrote: > I am surprised they have never broke even. > > > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Friday, April 26, 2024 4:02 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* John Brewer ;

Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia

2024-04-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
Everything’s political now, of course. But he does have a point when he says “Government-owned broadband networks cost millions of dollars and divert essential funding away from services that really matter to the public — services such as police and fire, roads, water and sewer.” In the

[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia

2024-04-26 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
I am surprised they have never broke even. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 4:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: John Brewer ; ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia Article:

Re: [AFMUG] DC power supplies in parallel

2024-04-26 Thread castarritt
The thing about a good DC site with gear like ICT-2U4 shelf is that you don't need to talk someone through troubleshooting individual power supplies because there are none to fail and cause a truck roll in the first place, there is just the DC shelf and it's 12 load outputs that all read out

Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia

2024-04-26 Thread Josh Luthman
Article: https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2024/04/19/government-internet-service-bad-for-taxpayers/ On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 4:59 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > By John Dougall > > For the Deseret News > > Most Utahns probably agree that government should stick to essential > government services

Re: [AFMUG] DC power supplies in parallel

2024-04-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
Sometimes I wonder if 50% DoD is really 50%. At least with AGMs, once the battery voltage gets to 42V (or 10.5V per battery), the curve always seems to be accelerating downward. My gut tells me that without an LVD, if we got 8 hours runtime to 42V, the batteries would be dead in more like

Re: [AFMUG] DC power supplies in parallel

2024-04-26 Thread TJ Trout
Not to mention you get twice the capacity because lifepo4 can take 0% depth of discharge without damage On Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 1:26 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > I've been an AGM guy, but the last quote we did, it was about $777 for > just the AGMs and $900 for LiFePO4 with everything in a neat and

[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia

2024-04-26 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
By John Dougall For the Deseret News Most Utahns probably agree that government should stick to essential government services and stay out of enterprises that are better performed by the private sector. Yet, across the country and right here in Utah, more and more governments are building

Re: [AFMUG] DC power supplies in parallel

2024-04-26 Thread Mike Hammett
I've been an AGM guy, but the last quote we did, it was about $777 for just the AGMs and $900 for LiFePO4 with everything in a neat and tidy rack-mount box. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message -

Re: [AFMUG] DC power supplies in parallel

2024-04-26 Thread TJ Trout
Storing a fully charged lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO4) battery has a minimal impact on its lifespan. In fact, it's recommended to fully charge LiFePO4 batteries before storing them for long periods of time. These batteries have a low self-discharge rate, typically losing 2% of their charge per

Re: [AFMUG] DC power supplies in parallel

2024-04-26 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
On Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 1:02 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > And I'm still using AGM batteries while all the cool kids are using > LiFePO4 with BCMs, so definitely don't listen to me. > The more I learn about lithium batteries, the more I feel that lithium has relatively few advantages for standby

Re: [AFMUG] DC power supplies in parallel

2024-04-26 Thread Nate Burke
I think it depends on a case by case basis.   I've kept everything as AC with Power supplies for each device simply because I will need to describe to someone over the phone, in a downpour, at night, how to troubleshoot a site, when their idea of small tools ends with a 4' Pipe wrench.  Saying

Re: [AFMUG] DC power supplies in parallel

2024-04-26 Thread Ken Hohhof
I tend toward a minimum of AC/DC power supplies, and fuse blocks or DC breakers for the loads. But the other network engineer I work with prefers a dedicated PSU for each load. So you may not get a uninamous recommendation.Note I tend toward DC sites and other guy sees that as unnecessary

Re: [AFMUG] DC power supplies in parallel

2024-04-26 Thread Josh Luthman
AC powered site? GTFO. On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 2:49 PM Steve Jones wrote: > I have a bunch of various meanwell 48 vDC power supplies mostly 120 and > 350 watt models with most loads being 45wattish and some 108wattish. > > One site im re-cabling has 1100w in PSUs taking a ton of space

[AFMUG] DC power supplies in parallel

2024-04-26 Thread Steve Jones
I have a bunch of various meanwell 48 vDC power supplies mostly 120 and 350 watt models with most loads being 45wattish and some 108wattish. One site im re-cabling has 1100w in PSUs taking a ton of space providing for a total demand of around 440w. Seems overkill and only accounts for the DC

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber: Radisys

2024-04-26 Thread Joe Novak
This isn't exactly the first time I've heard of issues with getting quotes from Adtran, I had the same experience. We went with another vendor in the end, you can only chase around people for quotes for so long. On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 1:16 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: > Matt and Nabeel

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber: Radisys

2024-04-26 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Matt and Nabeel should be reaching out shortly.Regards,Jeff Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Apr 26, 2024, at 10:28 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:Jeff -I've been working with CTI on quotes for these. I had a conference call in December with (I

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber: Radisys

2024-04-26 Thread Jason McKemie
Jeff - I've been working with CTI on quotes for these. I had a conference call in December with (I believe) you and Mark from Adtran. Nabeel recently reached out to me seeing if I needed anything and I asked him about getting an Adtran quote earlier last week, but I still have not heard anything