[Aus-soaring] Benalla pre-worlds
Good morning all Lately I’m getting regular e-mails from European competition pilots trying to hire an ASG 29 or ASH 31 for the pre-worlds at Benalla. So far, I have been able to help some of them but it gets harder all the time. Any offers of assistance would be greatly appreciated! Kind regards Bernard Eckey Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. ec...@internode.on.net Ph. 08 8449 2871 Mob. 0412 981 204 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] German Nationals
Good evening all While talking to Schleicher just a few minutes ago I learned that the first 10 (ten) places at the German Nationals went to ASG 29 pilots. In France the results were similar but only the first 8 (eight) places were taken by ASG 29 pilots. If my information is correct, no other glider has ever dominated its class as clearly as the ASG 29. Sorry, Adam - it just had to be said!!! Kind regards to all. Bernard Eckey Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. ec...@internode.on.net Ph. 08 8449 2871 Mob. 0412 981 204 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] German Nationals
Hi Cee Yes, I’m happy to admit that the Duo did dominate its class for years but it is equally fair to say that this was due to other manufacturers not producing a 20 m glider at the time. The DG 1000 came on the market seven (7) years later and Schleicher has never produced an unflapped 20 m two-seater. The same can be said for the Arcus. I have flown it extensively and it is undoubtedly a good glider but please keep in mind that it also enjoyed a total monopoly for six (6) long years. Now the ASG 32 is on the market and if early competition results are anything to go by its market dominance will also disappear. I toured the Schleicher factory less than 3 months ago and all I could see was ASG 32s in various stages of production. Let’s look at the early days of 18m class now. At the time the only aircraft designed for the competition scene was the Ventus 2. Competition results were impressive because DG and Schleicher focused on the recreational pilot and developed self launching gliders, namely the DG 800 and the ASH 26E. They were produced in large quantities but their high empty weight and their limited range of wing loadings excluded them from the competition scene right from the beginning. What I’m trying to say is that dominating a class is easy when you haven’t got competitors. I hope you will admit that the ASG 29 dominance isn't due to the lack of other gliders in its class. Kind regards Bernard On 24 Aug 2015, at 10:20 pm, Cee Kay fibremi...@gmail.com wrote: You will have to admit that the Duo Discus has dominated its class very clearly, over time, so I disagree with your statement. Chris On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. ec...@internode.on.net mailto:ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Good evening all While talking to Schleicher just a few minutes ago I learned that the first 10 (ten) places at the German Nationals went to ASG 29 pilots. In France the results were similar but only the first 8 (eight) places were taken by ASG 29 pilots. If my information is correct, no other glider has ever dominated its class as clearly as the ASG 29. Sorry, Adam - it just had to be said!!! Kind regards to all. Bernard Eckey Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. ec...@internode.on.net mailto:ec...@internode.on.net Ph. 08 8449 2871 Mob. 0412 981 204 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] European Championships
What’s on in Reiti next week, Adam? Kind regards Bernard On 30 Jul 2015, at 2:04 am, Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.com wrote: It was an exciting Europeans to watch, congratulations to Schleicher - they clearly won this round, they and the JS boys! Lets see what happens in Reiti next week :D Cheers, WPP On 29 Jul 2015, at 11:27 pm, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net mailto:ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Good morning all Although I’m currently in Germany I only just learned about the results at European Championships in Hungary. From a Schleicher point of view it was pleasing that the podium was again predominantly occupied by ASG 29 and ASG 32 pilots. In 18m Class ASG 29 pilots clearly dominated the field. Seven of the first 10 places were taken by ASG 29 pilots with Sebastian Kawa and Roman Mracek in their ASG 29s in first and second place. In the new 20 m two-seater class ASG 32 pilots Mac Akemi Ichikawa finished only one(1) point behind former world champion Wolfgang Janowitsch with co-pilot Andreas Lutz. In the end Mac had to be content with second place but third place on the podium was again taken by ASG 32 pilots Jabub Barszcz Christoph Matowski from Poland. Congratulations to all pilots! Kind regards to all Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] European Championships
Good morning all Although I’m currently in Germany I only just learned about the results at European Championships in Hungary. From a Schleicher point of view it was pleasing that the podium was again predominantly occupied by ASG 29 and ASG 32 pilots. In 18m Class ASG 29 pilots clearly dominated the field. Seven of the first 10 places were taken by ASG 29 pilots with Sebastian Kawa and Roman Mracek in their ASG 29s in first and second place. In the new 20 m two-seater class ASG 32 pilots Mac Akemi Ichikawa finished only one(1) point behind former world champion Wolfgang Janowitsch with co-pilot Andreas Lutz. In the end Mac had to be content with second place but third place on the podium was again taken by ASG 32 pilots Jabub Barszcz Christoph Matowski from Poland. Congratulations to all pilots! Kind regards to all Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] interesting lenticular timelapse from underneath
Hi John That’s a very interesting video in that it doesn’t show the usual Foehn gap. Thanks for sharing it with us!!! Bernard On 25 Jun 2015, at 4:14 am, John GWYTHER (BigPond) jgwyt...@bigpond.net.au wrote: This time-lapse video (https://vimeo.com/131499536 https://vimeo.com/131499536) shows the undulating underside of a medium level lennie (it looks lower than it was) in a NW airstream off the Great Divide in Gippsland. It shows an apparently dry layer under a fairly moist one containing the lennie. It spans a 3.5 hour period, shot from my place at Coongulla, Victoria. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 139, Issue 48
Hello Richard, hello all! For those of you who are proud owners of “Advanced Soaring Made Easy” it might pay you to have a closer look at pages 181 - 183 of the third edition. Kind regards to all! Bernard On 28 Apr 2015, at 5:01 am, Richard Frawley rjfraw...@gmail.com wrote: And there it is... Having now tried at least 8 different manufacturers modern (released in the last 5 years) varios, in terms of gust rejection I find they all work very well until they get hit with the strong, narrow, gusty summer thermals we get between trigger time and the late afternoon when things usually tend smooth out. To my observation, They all struggle to effectively differentiate strong horizontal components from the vertical components and for good reason when one takes the time to fully understand the physics and resolutions of systems involved. To date, I have seen a lot of claims with little or no scientific method to back them up and so far, little observable operational difference when it comes to this one aspect. Modern varios of course now have many functional aspects to consider in your particular selection and by all accounts the pilots built in posterior indicator is still the best filter. I do feel it's important to mention that The effects of Gusts are much stronger than many pilots perhaps give credit for. As Paul Mander points out in his Speedweek sessions, if you lose the core it far less likely that the thermal has moved (as many think is the case) but rather that the horizontal gust has simply moved the aircraft off its optimal path, as after all, there are magnitudes of differences of inertia of a thermal air mass and a tiny glider. Richard On 28 Apr 2015, at 12:30 pm, aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net wrote: Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net You can reach the person managing the list at aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: ClearNav Vario (go_soaring) 2. Re: varios, redundancy (DMcD) 3. Re: varios, redundancy (Jim Staniforth) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 08:45:13 +1000 From: go_soaring go_soar...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ClearNav Vario To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: blu436-smtp97a0b934eaafc8619204bdf7...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Another report on the new CNv from a user in the states. I concur on 1 sec time constants for pointer and audio. The vario signal is very smooth at this speed. I am in love with the new climb audio!! It's much better at communicating lift in the 0 - 3 kt range than anything Cambridge or Cambridge-like (including CNv 2.7). The pointer is 99% superfluous now. Audio plus averager numbers and I'm good to go! I found the climb cruise vario wind information flawless in Eastern US soaring conditions. Yes, a big Western US gust on the nose will still peg the vario. We're working on that now. The correlation between seat of the pants and the vario is now excellent. 2.7 was better than the Cambridge 302 in this regard, but wasn't the breakthrough sought. Some users liked CNv 1.0 better than 2.x 3.0 is a quantum leap. The correlation is so good now, that it is very easy to tell gusts from thermals (because there's no seat of the pants thump preceding the vario indication. The navigation UI still needs work. It's perfectly functional, but it's too much head in the cockpit time to manage. On 27 Apr 2015, at 08:14, Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.com wrote: Simply phenomenal, I thought the CNv 2.7 was my favourite vario before, now CNv 3.0 it's clearly in the lead. I test flew with V3.0 yesterday in very windy thermal conditions before being able to transfer into local wave. The vario is extremely smooth, no sign of gusts (with the new gust filtering algorithm), the smart averager being quicker to update and far more accurate than the last version. I flew with 1.7s response rate at the beginning, then reduced it to 0.5s, followed by settling at 1.0s; all as smooth and perfect as the other! Are you looking for a new vario for your glider or club, and want to save money? It?s simple now, just buy a ClearNav vario - and thats it. There?s no need for a winter backup now, this vario is impressive. I?ve flown with my vario since the first various were bought out, it?s
[Aus-soaring] early delivery opportunity
Good morning all One of my ASG 32 customers is considering delaying the ex-works delivery of his glider by about 1 year. This means that I can possibly make one of these new flapped 20 Meter 2-seaters available as early as September of this year. You can still select the options and decide whether you want one with or without engine. Would interested parties please contact me off line on: ec...@internode.on.net mailto:ec...@internode.on.net Many thanks and kind regards Bernard Eckey Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. ec...@internode.on.net Ph. 08 8449 2871 Mob. 0412 981 204 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] e-book publishing
Dear CMcD I fully understand where you are coming from and I have a certain amount of sympathy for your argument. Believe me, I never intended to go beyond the first edition but before embarking on a second reprint it was decided to make “Advanced Soaring Made Easy” an all encompassing book on gliding. The third edition was conceived when it became clear that the additional topics covered in the German version of the book would lift the level of information once again. In other words, later editions are the result of an ever deeper immersion into the subject. You first crawl before you learn to walk, don’t you? I must say that I’m very disappointed about your veiled accusition that the latest version is a “bug fix”. The third edition contains almost 100 additional pages. This is mainly due to the inclusion of mountain soaring techniques, various other amendments and additional meteorological information. Apart from fixing the odd spelling (or punctuation) error it was not necessary to incorporate a single correction. Because you have purchased the first two editions I will now grant you a discount in case you want to have the latest version as well. Kind regards Bernard On 16 Mar 2015, at 9:26 am, DMcD slutsw...@gmail.com wrote: Multiple warnings about cyber piracy were received with one fellow author advising that - for exactly this reason - he will never publish an e-book again. The issue of piracy and copyright on ebooks etc. is interesting, especially with technical manuals. Last year, I bought the ebook version of a hardback book I'd bought a few months before just so I could carry it overseas on an iPad. While the ebook version was cheaper than the hardback, I still resented the fact that I had paid for the same thing twice. I would not have felt particularly guilty if I'd illegally downloaded the ebook version since I'd already paid the author for his work. Ditto with a lot of recorded music. I bought the 12 LPs, sometimes twice or more and then bought the CD and then the remastered version… all at full price. I'd already paid the writer and musicians for the right to play the recording several times over and paying again for exactly the same thing on a different substrate seems wrong in some way. If I own a CD or LP of a recording, I don't feel too guilty or unscrupulous about downloading an electronic version… after all, I can always transfer my own CD if I can find a CD reader any more. iTunes deals with this fairly well since once you have paid for a recording, you can re-download multiple times but there was an interesting court case somewhere last year where someone wanted the right to give, donate or bequeath their music or ebook library to someone else… and why not? I can give my solid library books away, why not an ebook or recording? With technical manuals, especially software, there is often an update every five minutes. Often these are minor revisions, correcting errors or revising for OS changes or adding things that the writer omitted in earlier versions. It's possible with ebooks to allow purchasers to download revised or later editions for free or at reduced cost. Somehow this does not happen. Although the prime motivation for writing this book was to combat the high drop out rate in our sport I’m very reluctant to open the door for unscrupulous cyber thieves. So how about opening the door a little to folk who have already purchased the first one or two versions of the book at full price and who may not want to pay the full price for an upgrade or bug fix? :-) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] e-book publishing
Good morning all First of all let me thank all of you for your advice and the encouraging feedback on my book. Given that many of you tried to assist I think it is only fair that I provide some feedback. About 90% of all respondents chose to reply off line and I must say that their input turned out especially valuable and highly enlightening indeed. The overwhelming majority has encouraged me to embark on another print run and several glider pilots have recommended to stay well clear of e-book publishing. Multiple warnings about cyber piracy were received with one fellow author advising that - for exactly this reason - he will never publish an e-book again. Obviously it is all too easy to copy an e-book illegally and make it available on line. One well meaning fellow pilot wrote: I am yet to find a safe eBook version, in fact I have friends who pride themselves on having hundreds of eBooks, having never paid for one. Although the prime motivation for writing this book was to combat the high drop out rate in our sport I’m very reluctant to open the door for unscrupulous cyber thieves. The other side of the coin is the need to finance the high cost of printing. The most recent print run returned almost six tons of books and given that we seem to get close to market saturation it might take quite a few years to offload such quantities again. Unfortunately significantly smaller print runs result in a much higher cost per book but then again, self publishing was never meant to be easy! Once again, many thanks to all respondents. I really appreciate your input and your attempt to help me make the right decision. Bernard On 13 Mar 2015, at 7:49 am, Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Good morning all Our overseas distribution centre has just advised that they will soon run out of stock on my book: “Advanced Soaring Made Easy”. This raises the question whether we should commit to another print run or revert to e-book publishing in future. To make the right decision I need all the assistance I can get and it would help greatly if members of this forum could provide advice on e-book publishing preferably based on first hand experience. I would also appreciate a bit of general feedback on whether my fellow aviators would prefer traditional printed literature or whether they would rather read an e-book. Many thanks for your trouble and kind regards to all of you. Bernard PS: Off line replies are also most welcome! (ec...@internode.on.net mailto:ec...@internode.on.net) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] e-book publishing
Good morning all Our overseas distribution centre has just advised that they will soon run out of stock on my book: “Advanced Soaring Made Easy”. This raises the question whether we should commit to another print run or revert to e-book publishing in future. To make the right decision I need all the assistance I can get and it would help greatly if members of this forum could provide advice on e-book publishing preferably based on first hand experience. I would also appreciate a bit of general feedback on whether my fellow aviators would prefer traditional printed literature or whether they would rather read an e-book. Many thanks for your trouble and kind regards to all of you. Bernard PS: Off line replies are also most welcome! (ec...@internode.on.net mailto:ec...@internode.on.net) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] early delivery slot available
Good morning all One of our ASG 32 customers can not proceed due to a loss of a syndicate partner. This means that an ASG 32 (or ASG 32 Mi) has become available for an ex-works delivery as early as November of this year. Please contact me off line if this is of interest to you or any of your friends. Many thanks and kind regards Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Shell 98 and fibreglass
Hi Ian Many thanks for sharing that with us. It confirms what Gerhard Waibel told me about 15 years ago. He said that fuel bladders are preferable to wing tanks because you never know what additives get added to the fuel in future and what they do to the resins used in those wing tanks”. Fuel bladders are easy to replace, but wing tanks ….. Kind regards to all! Bernard On 3 Feb 2015, at 2:14 pm, Ian Mc Phee mrsoar...@gmail.com wrote: This is sample of I think 3 layers of 125 glass which was left in shell 98 for about 2 months. The glass is now soft and can be easily twisted like say clear packaging. It is a bit sticky on surface. It seems it will never harden up again. Thus under no circumstances would I use Shell or Liberty 98 from say out of Brisbane in any aircraft with fibreglass tanks. Jabiru web site say do not use shell 98 in any Jabiru but 95,and Avgas is OK. Royal Dutch Shell sold out to another Dutch company for retail of fuel in Australia and they have the right to use the name Shell. My next test is sample of Shell 98 and BP 98 as well as Avgas. The Shell is a golden yellow while BP is more neutral colour. Smell is different also. If any body would like a mini movie of the sample then ask. I would urge others down south (Sydney, Vic SA) to try their fuels. Ian mcphee Scan 6.pdf___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes
Hi Simon You have raised a very valid point here! I have often wondered why one can have all the qualifications in the world but cannot operate a glider in Australia independently and without instructor oversight. As far as I know Australia is the only first world country that denies their glider pilots privileges that power pilots, parachutists, balloonists or other aviators rightly take for granted. Over the years I have discussed this issue with several GFA officials but I have never been given any reason as to why the current state of affairs exists. Gliding operations based on instructor oversight has now been standard GFA procedure for many decades. Therefore it is quite understandable that allowing a competent and responsible glider pilot to operate without oversight has become a bit too foreign to even contemplate. I'm the first to acknowledge that not everyone aspires to independent operations (or even a licence) and I understand that they can continue to fly as usual. However, I firmly believe that denying suitably qualified glider pilots the right to operate without interference by others is partly to blame for our current woes. When our newcomers realise that they will always be treated as second class aviators we can't blame them when they vote with their feet. Isn't it time that suitably qualified glider pilots are treated just like glider pilots in other parts of the world? As long as our current system denies responsibly acting glider pilots fully independent operations many of them will find less restrictive and more rewarding aviation activities - far too many, if you ask me. Simon, can you (and other members of this newsgroup) let me in on your thinking, please? Kind regards Bernard -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Simon Hackett Sent: Monday, 1 September 2014 2:39 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Just want to call out one other thing from the thread that I have just had confirmed separately. The Australian CASA Glider Pilot License doesn't allow a pilot to fly a Glider in Australia. SRSLY? Its 2014. Why can't we live in a place where the GFA issues (or authorises) Glider Pilot Licenses for Australian glider pilots to fly Australian Gliders with (including ... in Australia)? I'm not bothered about an underlying requirement to be a GFA member in good standing (or to be separately authorised by CASA) if that floats the GFA's boat. Rather, I'm talking about the crazy notion that the outcome of doing everything right in the GFA system isn't an outcome where one can be a pilot licensed to fly a glider with a license to fly a glider called a Glider Pilot License - and where such a thing now exists but it doesn't actually work in the country of issue. I actually *have* a US glider license of precisely that form (a US pilots license with 'Glider' as an endorsement on it). I don't see that cramping the style of glider pilots in the USA. Quite the opposite, actually. I'm not really interested in how we got precisely here. I'm interested in what possible reason the GFA would have, today, to *not* to support the notion of a Glider Pilot License as something routinely issued to Australians to let them fly gliders in Australia - and for that to be the thing that people get issued with routinely (when, for instance, they achieve Silver C standard). Is there actually a valid reason for this state of affairs (as opposed to 'thats just not how we roll, son...') why this isn't the case - or why it shouldn't become the case? In other words, if I have a CASA issued Glider Pilot License, what, precisely, makes it unable to be sufficient to be permitted to fly a glider here (assuming one has a valid and current flight review)? I apologise for not having (yet) dug up the shiny new 1st September-onward regulations that govern the Glider Pilot License (and as already noted, CASA haven't yet actually published the application form on their web site either). But do those legally engaged regulations actually say that you can't use a Glider Pilot License to... fly a glider with? Coming at this cold, honestly, this reads like a Monty Python script :) Regards, Simon ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes
Hello Paul Thank you! This is the sort of feedback I was hoping for. If my interpretation of this tread is correct previous discussions revolved mainly about competition licences and not about operations of competent glider pilots without instructor oversight. Let’s put this side issue aside and focus on your concerns about a “rise in complexity and/or cost” for now. This is quite simply unfounded as it was made very clear that glider pilots not aspiring to a licence can continue to operate as usual and without an additional cost burden. The real issue is bringing gliding in line with international standards and long established practices of other Australian aviation bodies. The question remains, why can’t properly licensed glider pilots be treated exactly like fully licensed power pilots? Can you imagine a power pilot being asked for a check flight on landing at another airfield? Can you see my point now? Kind regards Bernard From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Paul Bart Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2014 10:20 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes On 2 September 2014 07:38, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Simon, can you (and other members of this newsgroup) let me in on your thinking, please? Bernard There were about 80 emails written on this topic over the last few days all saying about the same thing, all written by the same few contributors. It would seem to me that if you need them to let you know their thinking once again, then perhaps you have not read their contribution carefully enough. Frankly, I am more interested in maintaining a simple and inexpensive system to fly gliders in Australia. Given the fragile state of of participation in gliding I fear that any rise in complexity and / or cost will simply drive more people away. You say When our newcomers realise that they will always be treated as second class aviators we can't blame them when they vote with their feet. Well I have been involved in gliding for some fourteen years now, with a reasonably sized club and I am yet to encounter any pilot being too worried about being classed as second class aviator. Cheers Paul ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Water Landing
Hello all It appears to me that this glider pilot either left his field selection a little late or he wanted to imitate Captain Sullenberger! In any case, it was well done! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcsrDxOI8cc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcsrDxOI8ccfeature=youtube_gdata_player feature=youtube_gdata_player Kind regards to all Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing
Hi Alan Precisely! A major reason for posting this link was to through doubt on the claim that gliders always submarine on water landings. Kind regards to all Bernard From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Alan Wilson Sent: Friday, 29 August 2014 7:17 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing Thanks Bernard, I hope we don't see a spate of such landings now. But to me it was useful because a fear for all would be the nose digging in leaving the cockpit under water. Options were oft discussed in Finland in 1976. I think it also implies such landings should be done with the undercarriage up. Not an option to things like Pipers and Cessna's. Perhaps options are discussed in manuals or some study somewhere. Thanks and I hope I never have to get that wet. Alan Wilson Canberra Sent from my iPad On 29 Aug 2014, at 7:36, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Hello all It appears to me that this glider pilot either left his field selection a little late or he wanted to imitate Captain Sullenberger! In any case, it was well done! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcsrDxOI8cc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcsrDxOI8ccfeature=youtube_gdata_player feature=youtube_gdata_player Kind regards to all Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Budapest 2014 Air show........awesome!
Good morning all Please enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/embed/0px9HFIVYjY Kind regards to all Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Nice video
Hello all A friend of mine just sent me the link below. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJtaUDUtc0kfeature=youtube_gdata_player Please enjoy!!! Kind regards from Germany Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] FW: Drones make music
Here is another video for your enjoyment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlqe1DXnJKQ KMel Robotics presents a team of flying robots that have taken up new instruments to play some fresh songs. The hexrotors create music in ways never seen before, like playing a custom single string guitar hooked up to an electric guitar amp. Drums are hit using a deconstructed piano action. And there are bells. Lots of bells. Kind regards to all Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Bad news from Germany
Hello all I have just learned that the DG 1000 M demonstrator was lost killing both experienced occupants on impact. Hopefully this information proves to be incorrect but I must add that it comes from a reliable source. Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Zero Motorcycles Australia – The Electric Motorcycle Company - Official Site
Hi Peter I have just returned from a visit to the Schleicher factory where I checked on the progress of the ASG 32 EL. The designers have managed to bring the weight of the electric propulsion system (including batteries) down to the weight of the self launching rotary engine including accessories and fuel. It means that there is no problem with the maximum weight of non lifting parts although all batteries are located in the engine bay. Consequently there is no need to modify any structural components and the ASG 32 Mi and EL versions are almost identical. Quite remarkable, they still get a range of 100 km under power. However, please keep in mind that the ASG 32 EL is not a self launching glider - only a sustainer (or turbo)! Regardless, it shows the advances in this field quite clearly. There are interesting times ahead Kind regards Bernard From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter Champness Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 1:09 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Zero Motorcycles Australia – The Electric Motorcycle Company - Official Site Thanks Mike, That accords with my experimental results so far. I am talking retrofit here. Launch is still just out of reach because of weight considerations. It has been done with very light weight gliders. Sustainer is practical, but range is limited. 20 minutes sustainer power seems achievable with either LiFePO4 or LIPolymer for about 10-12kg battery weight (perhaps a bit less) . Motor is lighter than petrol so it is an option currently. That could be get home from quite a lot of situations, especially if you have applied some judgement during the flight. On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: Unfortunately there is a maximum weight of non lifting parts. You may need to put the batteries in the wings. See The Binder EB29DE at http://www.binder-flugmotorenbau.de/eb2900.html? http://www.binder-flugmotorenbau.de/eb2900.html?L=1 L=1 Not a show stopper but extra complication. To raise a 500Kg glider through 2000 meters(launch plus retrieve) requires 10 megajoules of energy plus what energy was required to keep it in level flight for the time taken to get there. Say 1/3 of that. More powerful motors are better but prop efficiency suffers as you put more through the same diameter prop. Interesting tradeoff and design iteration. 1 kilowatt hour = 3.6 megajoules. Prop efficiency and motor efficiency losses will be at least 50% so you need around 7.5 kilowatt hours of energy in the battery. You won't want to discharge it deeply if you can help it so a little extra helps. Say 8 kilowatt hours. Currently the LiFePO4 batteries (currently safest Li technology) can get around 100 watt hours per kilogram so 80 Kg of batteries. Maybe 100 Kg installed with portable charger, motor, prop and controller. It will end up similar to flying a motorless glider with water ballast. Not impossible. That retrieve should get you to an airfield of some sort at least but probably not home if you like the longer cross country flights. Li - ion batteries may do a little better but need more protection circuitry/physical barriers etc all of which add to weight. Mike At 08:09 AM 22/06/2014, you wrote: http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/au/ 54 horsepower for 20 Grand, FES and electric refits for old sustainers and self launchers are getting closer by the day. By the look of it you can add power packs easily. There is a video in there some where about supermoto racing, for those of you not into motorcycles the standard engine is very similar to a self launcher albeit in 4 stroke mode. I know it's simplistic but Keep mast, prop and prop flange. Remove engine and fuel tanks. Epoxy in battery holders and bobs your uncle. Justin Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 tel:%2B61-42835%205784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list
[Aus-soaring] Airbus A-320/200 low fly past along Danube
Please enjoy Filmed during Budapest Air Show, 01 May 2014. http://www.chonday.com/Videos/danubejetjh2 http://www.chonday.com/Videos/danubejetjh2 Kind regards to all Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Atmospheric gravity waves and soaring flight
Good morning all. Some weeks ago I received an e-mail from Dieter Etling - a German meteorologist who is working at the University of Hanover. He has enclosed a very interesting paper on 'Atmospheric gravity waves and soaring flight' with a request for feedback. It covers not only the physical principles but also practical applications. His paper is now available as a free download from: www.schwerewelle.de. Although the paper (119 pages) is not what I call 'easily digestible' it is highly enlightening and makes for interesting reading. I recommend it especially to wave pilots with a thirst for deeper theoretical knowledge. Kind regards to all! Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Is this a fake?
Good morning all A friend of mine in Germany sent me this video clip. If this is a fake, it certainly is a good one! http://www.hoax-slayer.com/F-35-fighter-jet-flip-video.shtml Kind regards Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Is this a fake?
Thanks, Tom – I was just mesmerised by the video and did not investigate further! Perhaps I need to apologize to Mike for my substandard glasses and my low quality monitor. What do you think? Kind regards Bernard From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom.wilk...@internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2014 10:08 AM To: tom.wilk...@internode.on.net 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Is this a fake? I also note that the link you sent actually explains that it is a fake and where it comes from :-) They claim it's Battlefield 2, not 3, which is probably correct Tom - Original Message - From: tom.wilk...@internode.on.net Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Sent: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 09:40:10 +1030 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Is this a fake? Bernard It's a gameplay clip from a game called Battlefield 3, so yes, it is most certainly a fake. Just goes to show how good game graphics are getting these days, although anyone who has played the game would probably recognise it straight away. Regards Tom - Original Message - From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Sent: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 08:06:43 +1030 Subject: [Aus-soaring] Is this a fake? Good morning all A friend of mine in Germany sent me this video clip. If this is a fake, it certainly is a good one! http://www.hoax-slayer.com/F-35-fighter-jet-flip-video.shtml Kind regards Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] shipping opportunity
Hello all Schleicher will supply a total of 14 gliders to Australia within the next 12 month or so. Eleven of these aircraft will be ASK 21 Mi self launching gliders including trailers. There might be spare room for a single seater in some of the ASK 21 Mi shipping containers. If someone can take my next delivery slot for a single seater at short notice (due in September 2014) I will arrange free of charge shipping to Australia. Please contact me off line on ec...@internode.on.net if at all interested. Kind regards Bernard Eckey ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Woodstock weak link
Hello all! The weak link for the ASK 21 is 1000 kg! Kind regards Bernard From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher McDonnell Sent: Wednesday, 12 March 2014 10:07 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Woodstock weak link Thanks Graham. I am on top of most of that and have more. It is probably 300 kg (green) but I have to have documentary proof before I placard it. A/T only, winch not allowed. have also started a bit of conflict between Burns CTO re record keeping. Paper trail on this A/C is abysmal. Mike supervised the first 4 built. Any thoughts on the ASK 21 weak link? Emailed Balaklava GC today as that is the only other club that winches an ASK 21 Chris From: Graham White mailto:anita_grah...@bigpond.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 9:23 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Woodstock weak link Hi Chris I can’t find anything either. Re. the deflections, I have only the ailerons (32deg UP, 8deg DOWN) and the elevator (20deg UP, no info for down). No rudder deflections and certainly no weak link. The plans and the construction notes are available on the web, but I guess you know that already. There was one built in Australia when Mike Burns was CTO Airworthiness (about 1987 or so) so he may have some recollections of the technical information for that aircraft. All the best Graham _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher McDonnell Sent: Tuesday, 11 March 2014 2:05 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Woodstock weak link Hi all, I have tried to find out what the Woodstock aerotow weak link should be but cannot find anything. There is no woodstock in the GFA data sheets either. I hope somebody can help. Regards Chris _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] End of an aera
Hello all, All good things eventually come to an end. The popular series of books by Martin Simons Sailplanes 1920 - 1945 (out of print) Sailplanes 1945 - 1965 (two copies in stock) Sailplanes 1965 - 2000 (out of print) has been almost sold out and the publisher has advised that it will not be reprinted. We have only two copies of Sailplanes 1945 - 1965 left in stock. A single German version of Sailplanes 1965 - 2000 is also still available. Please contact me off line if you are interested in the last remaining copies. Kind regards Chris Eckey (ec...@internode.on.net) PS: I have also one German version of Bernard's book Advanced Soaring Made Easy in stock. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] FW: Altair, Volklogger and B50 Vario for sale
Hello all Please be advised that both varios and the Volkslogger have already been sold. The Altair flight computer with XCSoar software is still available. Kind regards Bernard Eckey From: Future Aviation [mailto:ec...@internode.on.net] Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014 5:09 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Altair, Volklogger and B50 Vario for sale Good morning all Because I'm considering upgrading to a new flight computer system the following items are offered for sale: 1. Altair moving map display with XCSoar software (Asking price $ 1000) 2. Borgelt audio vario (B50) with second display for back seat. (one vario 57mm and the other 80 mm diameter) (Asking price $ 400) 3. Volkslogger data logger (Asking price $ 250) All items are guaranteed to be in perfect working order. For serious enquiries please contact me off line. (ec...@internode.on.net) Kind regards Bernard Eckey Ph. 08 84492871 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Altair, Volklogger and B50 Vario for sale
Good morning all Because I'm considering upgrading to a new flight computer system the following items are offered for sale: 1. Altair moving map display with XCSoar software (Asking price $ 1000) 2. Borgelt audio vario (B50) with second display for back seat. (one vario 57mm and the other 80 mm diameter) (Asking price $ 400) 3. Volkslogger data logger (Asking price $ 250) All items are guaranteed to be in perfect working order. For serious enquiries please contact me off line. (ec...@internode.on.net) Kind regards Bernard Eckey Ph. 08 84492871 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] FW: FYI
Good morning all! If you are interested there is a nice video of the new ASH 30 Mi Open Class 2-seater on this website. http://www.australian-soaring-corowa.com/latest.php Please enjoy! Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] FW: FYI
Hi Peter Please let me correct you on that. For engine cooling purposes the prop remains in a semi reclined position for a short while. It fully retracts automatically when the temperature drops to a preset value. Kind regards Bernard -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter (PCS3) Sent: Saturday, 15 February 2014 7:37 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] FW: FYI Great video, Bernard but I noticed that the prop had not been properly retracted and the pilots could not see it. :-( PeterS On 15/02/2014 6:44 AM, Future Aviation wrote: Good morning all! If you are interested there is a nice video of the new ASH 30 Mi Open Class 2-seater on this website. http://www.australian-soaring-corowa.com/latest.php Please enjoy! Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] unsubstantiated rumours
Hi Lukas Many thanks for helping to clarify the issue. It now appears that leaving the word Royal out was correct after all! Kind regards Bernard From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Lucas James Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2014 5:07 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] unsubstantiated rumours G'Day Bernard, The AAFC (and the AIRTC before them) are a unit within the RAAF (they come under Vice Chief of the Air Force, IIRC). Unlike the Army, which had units/corps that had been afforded Royal Title, only the RAAF as a whole were given the Royal treatment. regards, Lucas On 28/01/14 09:01, Future Aviation wrote: Hi Justin Please accept my apology, but in all correspondence relating to this contract there is only a reference to the Australian Air Force Cadets. I can't explain why not a single document was referring to the Royal Australian Air Force. Can you explain that? Kind regards to all Bernard From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Justin Sinclair Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2014 7:48 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] unsubstantiated rumours Bernard, If you are going to be precise about information on this site and others, would you kindly refer to the organisation you and your business is supporting as the Royal Australian Air Force as that. It is not the australian air force, it is the RAAF. Many men and women have died fighting for this country in activities associated with aeroplanes whilst serving in the RAAF, you do them a great disservice by flippantly not getting details correct in correspondence attempting to address rumour and innuendo. Kind regards Justin Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad On 28 Jan 2014, at 6:36 am, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Good morning all Judging by two recent telephone calls there appears to be some misinformation in gliding circles on the latest Australian Air Force order for new training aircraft. The following is fact - the rest is unsubstantiated rumours: #61623 The Air Force has ordered 11 (eleven) Schleicher ASK 21 Mi for basic training of cadets #61623 All of these gliders are self launchers and come with trailers #61623 The aircraft will be based at four different training centres throughout the country #61623 Deliveries begin in August of 2014 and the contract includes shipping, registration, aircraft inspection, delivery and operator training To ensure that the rumour mill doesn't spread further let me point out that a previous order for pure sailplanes from dg was not cancelled. Kind regards to all Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- I was going to include a witty saying But I couldn't think of one ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] unsubstantiated rumours
Many thanks, Sean - this explains the situation once and for all. Kind regards Bernard From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Sean Jorgensen-Day Sent: Wednesday, 29 January 2014 7:57 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] unsubstantiated rumours Just to clarify. The Australian Air Force Cadets is an entity in its own right, it is NOT part of the Royal Australian Air Force. Details, if you are interested in Acts or Regulations can be found here: http://www.defenceyouth.gov.au/resources/cadet-force-regulations.aspx The AAFC however administered by the RAAF. DG1001s and Schleicher ASK 21 Mi will be used to train AAFC members. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2014 6:46 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] unsubstantiated rumours Hi Lukas Many thanks for helping to clarify the issue. It now appears that leaving the word Royal out was correct after all! Kind regards Bernard From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Lucas James Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2014 5:07 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] unsubstantiated rumours G'Day Bernard, The AAFC (and the AIRTC before them) are a unit within the RAAF (they come under Vice Chief of the Air Force, IIRC). Unlike the Army, which had units/corps that had been afforded Royal Title, only the RAAF as a whole were given the Royal treatment. regards, Lucas On 28/01/14 09:01, Future Aviation wrote: Hi Justin Please accept my apology, but in all correspondence relating to this contract there is only a reference to the Australian Air Force Cadets. I can't explain why not a single document was referring to the Royal Australian Air Force. Can you explain that? Kind regards to all Bernard From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Justin Sinclair Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2014 7:48 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] unsubstantiated rumours Bernard, If you are going to be precise about information on this site and others, would you kindly refer to the organisation you and your business is supporting as the Royal Australian Air Force as that. It is not the australian air force, it is the RAAF. Many men and women have died fighting for this country in activities associated with aeroplanes whilst serving in the RAAF, you do them a great disservice by flippantly not getting details correct in correspondence attempting to address rumour and innuendo. Kind regards Justin Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad On 28 Jan 2014, at 6:36 am, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Good morning all Judging by two recent telephone calls there appears to be some misinformation in gliding circles on the latest Australian Air Force order for new training aircraft. The following is fact - the rest is unsubstantiated rumours: #61623 The Air Force has ordered 11 (eleven) Schleicher ASK 21 Mi for basic training of cadets #61623 All of these gliders are self launchers and come with trailers #61623 The aircraft will be based at four different training centres throughout the country #61623 Deliveries begin in August of 2014 and the contract includes shipping, registration, aircraft inspection, delivery and operator training To ensure that the rumour mill doesn't spread further let me point out that a previous order for pure sailplanes from dg was not cancelled. Kind regards to all Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- I was going to include a witty saying But I couldn't think of one ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] unsubstantiated rumours
Good morning all Judging by two recent telephone calls there appears to be some misinformation in gliding circles on the latest Australian Air Force order for new training aircraft. The following is fact - the rest is unsubstantiated rumours: . The Air Force has ordered 11 (eleven) Schleicher ASK 21 Mi for basic training of cadets . All of these gliders are self launchers and come with trailers . The aircraft will be based at four different training centres throughout the country . Deliveries begin in August of 2014 and the contract includes shipping, registration, aircraft inspection, delivery and operator training To ensure that the rumour mill doesn't spread further let me point out that a previous order for pure sailplanes from dg was not cancelled. Kind regards to all Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] unsubstantiated rumours
Hi Justin Please accept my apology, but in all correspondence relating to this contract there is only a reference to the “Australian Air Force Cadets”. I can’t explain why not a single document was referring to the Royal Australian Air Force. Can you explain that? Kind regards to all Bernard From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Justin Sinclair Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2014 7:48 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] unsubstantiated rumours Bernard, If you are going to be precise about information on this site and others, would you kindly refer to the organisation you and your business is supporting as the Royal Australian Air Force as that. It is not the australian air force, it is the RAAF. Many men and women have died fighting for this country in activities associated with aeroplanes whilst serving in the RAAF, you do them a great disservice by flippantly not getting details correct in correspondence attempting to address rumour and innuendo. Kind regards Justin Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad On 28 Jan 2014, at 6:36 am, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Good morning all Judging by two recent telephone calls there appears to be some misinformation in gliding circles on the latest Australian Air Force order for new training aircraft. The following is fact – the rest is unsubstantiated rumours: · The Air Force has ordered 11 (eleven) Schleicher ASK 21 Mi for basic training of cadets · All of these gliders are self launchers and come with trailers · The aircraft will be based at four different training centres throughout the country · Deliveries begin in August of 2014 and the contract includes shipping, registration, aircraft inspection, delivery and operator training To ensure that the rumour mill doesn’t spread further let me point out that a previous order for pure sailplanes from dg was not cancelled. Kind regards to all Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Experimental category
Well done, James - I'm very impressed with your efforts to turn Adam into a dedicated Schleicher fan! For years I have tried to get sense into him but unfortunately without success. Bernard -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of James Dutschke Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014 7:49 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Experimental category Schleicher got on this one quickly!! Sent from my iPhone On 25 Jan 2014, at 18:45, Derek Ruddock drudd...@iinet.net.au wrote: How about some no-water-ballast contests Club Class anyone? -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jim Staniforth Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014 5:30 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Experimental category Here's the glider you're after Adam. Dick Butler's first ASW22, serial number two. Tried to attach a pdf but it was too large, here's just the Wil Scheuemann article on water ballast from Soaring, June 1984. Jim On Fri, 1/24/14, Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Experimental category To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Friday, January 24, 2014, 7:36 PM I like your thinking Mike :) On 25 Jan 2014, at 13:18, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: Well you could fly something that looks like one but isn't. Buy ASW22. Make molds from it. Build glider in those molds. Nothing to stop you using pushrods, hardware etc out of the one you bought. Call it the AW1 (or Superpuppup). Put 850 Kg on the gross weight when you apply for the Amateur built Experimental certificate. Mike At 12:32 PM 25/01/2014, you wrote: I'm a Schempp-Hirth fan, through true - but I can't let that get in the way of the ASW22BLE (now a poor mans open class glider), a glider I've always dreamt of owning! You heard it first here Bernard :) Sadly the ASW22 that is for sale (at AU$70k landed in AUS), is sn29, so a small wingspan limited to 750kg. An offline response suggests pretty clearly I couldn't fly it at 850kg during a competition. In the mean time, Schempp-Hirth all the way! Cheers, WPP P.s. Ventus 3 (three), mmm On 25 Jan 2014, at 5:50, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Adam You don't need to go experimental, mate! The later ASW 22 models are already approved for 850 kg. I'm just a little worried that the ASW 22 might be a little too slippery for you. Kind regards Bernard -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Friday, 24 January 2014 7:58 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Experimental category If I could get enough water in the wings of an ASW22 that is limited to a MTOW of 750kg... Could I fly it at 850kg under an experimental category glider within the GFA, at an AUS Open Class Nationals? Cheers, WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus
Re: [Aus-soaring] Experimental category
Hi Adam You don't need to go experimental, mate! The later ASW 22 models are already approved for 850 kg. I'm just a little worried that the ASW 22 might be a little too slippery for you. Kind regards Bernard -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Friday, 24 January 2014 7:58 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Experimental category If I could get enough water in the wings of an ASW22 that is limited to a MTOW of 750kg... Could I fly it at 850kg under an experimental category glider within the GFA, at an AUS Open Class Nationals? Cheers, WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Bernard Eckey wants to share interview with you
Hi Simon, Colin, Bob and others Many thanks for pointing me in the right direction when it comes to the proper use of Dropbox. I have now managed to send the manuscript to this list but I'm afraid readers have to put up with my mistakes in regards to grammar, punctuation and spelling. At first I was going to post the scanned version of the NZ publication but the small print is rather difficult to read. It contains photos and if you send me a request off line I will e-mail it to you! Happy New Year to all of you! Kind regards from Adelaide Bernard Eckey Ph. 08 844492871 From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Simon Hackett Sent: Saturday, 28 December 2013 7:44 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Bernard Eckey wants to share interview with you Dear Colin, I don't think its you, and you can't fix it - Bernard needs to send the link to the list in another manner to make it work as expected. This is one aspect of Dropbox that can be very easy to inadvertently mistake - which is the 'right' way to send information to others on a read-only, easily downloaded basis (without requiring your correspondents to join Dropbox to do it, either). I've dropped Bernard a line directly with detailed suggestions for how to re-try the below so that it can work for you (and others) who might want it. The full gory details, for anyone 'detail oriented' enough to care about them, are here: http://simonhackett.com/2013/04/05/dropbox-sharing-doesnt-work-and-the-fi/ Regards, Simon On 28 Dec 2013, at 4:45 pm, Colin Collum crcol...@melbpc.org.au wrote: Sorry Bernard, That doesn't help. I still can't find the folder or file. The View Folder just takes me to a sign in area, and even when I've [reluctantly] joined dropbox I still can't find it. My wife tells me I need a name and a password [that you supply] to access things on dropbox. My apologies for my IT incompetence. Regards, Colin From: mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Bernard via Dropbox Sent: Friday, 27 December 2013 5:11 PM To: mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Bernard Eckey wants to share interview with you ~WRD000.jpg Hi there, Bernard (ec...@internode.on.net) wants to share some files in a folder called interview with you via Dropbox. https://www.dropbox.com/l/ynIT9lw9q29LZ697N96i59/invite View folder Enjoy! - The Dropbox Team C 2013 Dropbox image001.jpg ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31
Hello all I noticed that the subject of ASI labelling on new gliders is coming up every few months or so. To put members of this newsgroup at ease it should be said that Schleicher already complies with the requirement after Ian Mc Phee made a corresponding suggestion some time ago. New Schleicher gliders come with ASIs which indicate 20 kts above Vne (usually 170 kts). Kind regards to all Bernard Eckey 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 South Australia Ph/Fax 08-84492871 Mobile 0412 981 204 ec...@internode.on.net _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Grietje Wansink Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 5:28 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31 Glider is EASA approved, instruments are EASA standard. For safety reasons, we don't allow pilots to self launch when hiring a glider from us. Grietje On 9/09/13 9:41 AM, Mike Borgelt wrote: At 08:19 AM 9/09/2013, you wrote: And notice Winter ASI VNE (red radial) seems to be 150kts or 152kts. Strictly speaking GFA require for issue if Australian C of A an ASI with markings on ASIs 20 kts over the VNE. To all considering new gliders ask the factory for an ASI with a mark at 170kts as have been provided by Achim Winter for more than 10 years and costs noting extra (just ask) Ian McPhee PS several other makers are missing this ASI mark issue also but JS1 seem to be getting it right. . So does the 170kt ASI just move the stop a little further around or is the whole dial scale changed? It doesn't seem to be a standard product on the Winter website. So who dreamed up this requirement? Last I looked at CS22 the glider is designed to 10% over placarded Vne, test flown during certification to 5% over. An ASI in service that reads to 5% over Vne would seem to me to be adequate which at 152Kts Vne and 160 kts max reading on the ASI this one seems to be. So is this ASI acceptable to EASA? If so why do we have a different requirement? No doubt our Australian air is different. Also interested to know why 95% of the launches were by aerotow? Engine not working? Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gerhard Waibel visit to Australia
Hi Peter I understand Gerhard will drive from Melbourne to Adelaide via the 'Great Ocean Road'. Unfortunately that's all I know! Kind regards Bernard _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter Champness Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013 9:48 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Gerhard Waibel visit to Australia Will he be coming to Melbourne? Peter Champness On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Good morning all Gerhard Waibel will be our guest during a visit to Adelaide in early November. He doesn't really need an introduction other than to say that he is the designer of ASW 12, ASW 15, ASW 17, ASW 19, ASW 20, ASW 22, ASW 24, ASW 27 and ASW 28 sailplanes. Soon after Gerhard retired he was asked to design the CONCORDIA for Dick Butler. The CONCORDIA is a glider of true superlatives. With a super high wing loading, an L/D exceeding 70:1 and an unprecedented aspect ratio it is by far the best performing glider ever built. Lately Gerhard has prepared a presentation on the project which he is willing to share with us in the evening of the 5th of November. Please contact me off line (ec...@internode.on.net) if you want to hear Gerhard speak. I need to find a suitable venue and it would be helpful to get a grip on the number of people attending. Kind regards to all Bernard Eckey ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Hello
Good morning all Please celebrate a milestone with us! Last night we received the thirtieth order for an ASG 29. May the Australian Dollar remain as strong as this for a long time to come! Kind regards from Adelaide Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Hello
Hi Mike Why don't you look at the bright side? The exchange rate is still so much better than it was only three or so years ago!!! Even allowing for the recent slight decline of our currency against the Euro new gliders are now significantly cheaper for Australian customers. In fact they are about 30% cheaper (or should I say less costly) than a few years back. There is hardly any need to paint everything in a negative light. Kind regards Bernard _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2013 9:15 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Hello 0.645 Euro is all it buys right now ( Westpac this morning) Not so strong after all as it has been over 0.80 not so long ago. Mike At 09:37 AM 3/09/2013, you wrote: Good morning all Please celebrate a milestone with us! Last night we received the thirtieth order for an ASG 29. May the Australian Dollar remain as strong as this for a long time to come! Kind regards from Adelaide Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Hello
Hi Mike Right now I'm also suggesting to arrange forward cover to my customers. In fact a fair few of them have paid the bulk of the purchase price upfront and by doing so locked in the exchange rate at the time of ordering their new glider. But back to your posting now! The point I'm trying to make is that the bulk of ASG 29s came into the country when the exchange rate was significantly lower than what it is at the moment. As a result today's customers enjoy a significant cost reduction despite of the inflation related increase in the ex-works price. Mike, I regard this as something positive but you are quite within your rights to point out that we have seen even better exchange rates in the past. Kind regards to all Bernard _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2013 10:48 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Hello I see, pointing out reality is painting everything in a negative light. Longer term the Aussie dollar has been around 0.60 Euro. Currently gliders are about 7.5% cheaper than when this was the case. During the GFC it went down to under 0.50 for a while, as low as 0.49 or 0.48 I think. It then recovered to 0.60 or slightly higher by late 2009 and continued to rise to over 0.80 and in the last year has slipped to where it is now. If you bought 100,000 Euro at 0.8 it cost A$125,000 If you do that today the same number of Euro will cost you A$155,000 and change, a 24% increase. Hardly all that minor. The exchange rate is back to where it was in February 2010. The peak was August 2012 at a rate of 0.85 and a bit. A 31% decline since then. See here: http://www.oanda.com/currency/historical-rates/ you can set up the Euro-AUD rate and look back 5 years. The trajectory right now isn't looking good. If you are planning on buying a glider it would be a good idea to buy the Euro now or get forward cover. Mike At 10:22 AM 3/09/2013, you wrote: Hi Mike Why don't you look at the bright side? The exchange rate is still so much better than it was only three or so years ago!!! Even allowing for the recent slight decline of our currency against the Euro new gliders are now significantly cheaper for Australian customers. In fact they are about 30% cheaper (or should I say less costly) than a few years back. There is hardly any need to paint everything in a negative light. Kind regards Bernard _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2013 9:15 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Hello 0.645 Euro is all it buys right now ( Westpac this morning) Not so strong after all as it has been over 0.80 not so long ago. Mike At 09:37 AM 3/09/2013, you wrote: Good morning all Please celebrate a milestone with us! Last night we received the thirtieth order for an ASG 29. May the Australian Dollar remain as strong as this for a long time to come! Kind regards from Adelaide Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Gerhard Waibel visit to Australia
Good morning all Gerhard Waibel will be our guest during a visit to Adelaide in early November. He doesn't really need an introduction other than to say that he is the designer of ASW 12, ASW 15, ASW 17, ASW 19, ASW 20, ASW 22, ASW 24, ASW 27 and ASW 28 sailplanes. Soon after Gerhard retired he was asked to design the CONCORDIA for Dick Butler. The CONCORDIA is a glider of true superlatives. With a super high wing loading, an L/D exceeding 70:1 and an unprecedented aspect ratio it is by far the best performing glider ever built. Lately Gerhard has prepared a presentation on the project which he is willing to share with us in the evening of the 5th of November. Please contact me off line (ec...@internode.on.net) if you want to hear Gerhard speak. I need to find a suitable venue and it would be helpful to get a grip on the number of people attending. Kind regards to all Bernard Eckey ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Book for Father's day
Good morning all We have just received new stock of the book Advanced Soaring Made Easy. Please drop me a line (or ring on the number below) if you require a copy for Father's day. Kind regards Bernard Eckey Ph. 08 84492871 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Colin Collum
Hello All I'm currently catching up with the latest issues of Gliding Australia after a lengthy overseas trip. As Colin Collum has commented on my NZ article I would like to discuss the matter with him to improve my knowledge about safe blood oxygen saturation levels while flying at altitude. Can anyone provide me with his contact details, please? Many thanks and kind regards Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Low cost avionics
Hi Ross At the current exchange rate you would get quite a lot of change out of $ 250k - enough to buy yourself a decent car!!! Kind regards Bernard _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013 5:17 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Low cost avionics Hi Mike I'm just guessing, but I would confidently estimate that the landed cost of an ASH31mi plus trailer, tow out gear etc would be in excess of $250K. I am happy for Bernard to correct me here. So more more money than sense doesn't really apply in this case. As a matter of interest the LX9000 is a standard option in the JS1. Hmmm Perhaps you haven't had a close look at the LX9000 if you think it is just a colour moving map! LOL ROSS ___ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013 10:20 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Low cost avionics Depends whether he has more money than sense. If looking at a colour moving map is important to you in a glider cockpit you are doing it wrong. Mike At 08:51 AM 24/03/2013, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0013_01CE286C.C00316D0 Content-Language: en-au Isn't that a bit like buying a new Ferrari and fitting it with cheap retread tyres? Tell him to get an LX9000. ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013 7:16 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Low cost avionics Good morning all! One of my new ASH 31 Mi customers wants a low cost flight computer that features a backlit moving map display and allows the running of XCSoar software. The screen should be a bit larger than a normal PDA and if possible he would like to integrate Flarm and an IGC approved data logger. Any advice on the latest available low cost options would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Low cost avionics
Good morning all! One of my new ASH 31 Mi customers wants a low cost flight computer that features a backlit moving map display and allows the running of XCSoar software. The screen should be a bit larger than a normal PDA and if possible he would like to integrate Flarm and an IGC approved data logger. Any advice on the latest available low cost options would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Platinum Diamond Badge/Diploma?
Hi Adam I have got all certificates up to and including 1100 km but with the exception of 900 km. You have now given me an incentive to fill the gap next season. Kind regards Bernard -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Friday, 22 March 2013 9:06 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Platinum Diamond Badge/Diploma? Just throwing it out there, should we have one more badge as the subject line suggests? For those who have got everything from 'A Certificate' to their '1000km diploma' (including AUS badges, 600, 700, 800, 900). Does anyone know how many have achieved the full suite? Cheers, WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals
Hi Peter Please refer to section 1.13 (Page 31) of the third edition of ASME. Kind regards Bernard _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter Champness Sent: Saturday, 16 March 2013 8:59 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Intermediate/short term goals It might depend a bit on the performance of your glider. I fly a Foka 5 I have been very impressed, in a negative way, by the amount of height lost in a large area of sink. Enough to see you on the ground. My very recent endevours have been to find ways to avoid or get out of sink. Has anyone else tried that? Peter Champness On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.com wrote: Everyone knows something that another doesn't know in soaring. Trying to figure out the below, any thoughts from the floor? The scenario: You've just left a CU, with the cloud direct on track being your target cloud between 3-5km away with an average climb expected, direct is blue and normal sink. 30* to your left/right is a whisp, not one that you'd use to climb in - but one that you could deviate too in order to get reduced sink or a hundred feet of altitude. Do you, go direct through the sinking air, or cover extra track miles to the whisp that you know you're not going to climb in, but get remarkably reduced sink (or even a small gain in height)? For me, I either always just lose out (more often than not) when getting to the next CU, or gain a massive advantage with a 1000' height gain on a competitor in that short cruise. Have you got any rough 'rules of thumb' that you use in order to decide if the short term deviation is worth it or not? ie, how can I get to the next CU by beating the other competitors by second a mile (as G.Moffat would say) if it's possible overall. Cheers, Woolley ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Eckey/Wooller Matter
Hi Kevin If you had checked your personal e-mails you would have noticed that I provided you (and John Ashford) with additional information on your fellow club member. I'm sure you will view the matter differently after reading it. Kind regards Bernard _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Brisbane Gliding Adventures Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2013 6:52 AM To: aus-soaring Subject: [Aus-soaring] Eckey/Wooller Matter The silence on this matter over the last 24 hours has bee quite deafening. In my humble personal view, it is time for Bernard to apologise for the brain snap that lead to his (perhaps unintentional) deplorable actions in outing a fellow glider pilot that he apparently has had a personal issue with. Had Bernard's email addressed his instructor frustrations by referring to the details in a manner that maintained the anonymity of his fellow glider pilot, there would have been no problems from my point of view. PS: My position on this subject is in no way intended to detract from the appreciation and support of the generous efforts of Bernard and others in providing coaching to fellow glider pilots. On 03/03/2013 7:57 PM, Brisbane Gliding Adventures brisgl...@gmail.com wrote: Last time I checked my moral compass, a personal issue between two glider pilots was NOT the business of other glider pilots en masse. In my view, an inappropriate use of this forum! Kevin Rodda ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Car damage
Hello Kevin and all other contributors! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the matter. Shortly after Kevin's posting I received a call from a concerned friend. He basically underlined Kevin's comments and pointed out that the naming of an individual should have been avoided. This doesn't seem to be an issue where I come from (as long as the facts are correct) but I was told that that it is a no-no in Australia. Therefore I have now come to accept that I was wrong in doing it Initially I received a number of e-mails in support of my approach while stressing that we should all object to people doing the wrong thing by others and expect to get away with it. However, lately some well meaning off line feedback is more concerned about the impact on the individual involved. It made me realise that my initial posting was interpreted by the majority of readers as an attack on the individual when in reality it was primarily an attempt to share a costly experience with other volunteers and prevent them from falling into the same trap. Talking of costs, the good news is that I have received feedback from GFA officials that the cost of repairs should be covered by the BBL insurance scheme. That will take care of the financial issue and I want to thank those members who have pointed that out to me. Apparently I need to submit a claim to the lady in question which she has to pass on to the GFA treasurer. I assume that I will receive the necessary cooperation and if this is the case I want to assure all members of this forum that I will write to the lady and express my deep regret for naming her. If my posting has offended a fellow club member (or anyone else) I want to apologise to them right here and now. Kind regards to all Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Coaching issues
Dear all! Please allow me to pass on some experience gained during the recent WIG week (Women in Gliding) at Gawler. The roof of my car was accidently dented by Mrs. Jo Wooler - a fellow glider pilot from the Caboolture Gliding Club in QLD. She lifted the right wing of the ASH 25 and by doing so she hit my car which she parked under the left wing just a few minutes earlier. Fortunately the wing was not damaged. This mishap occurred after she received free of charge coaching for several hours in my ASH 25. She was extremely apologetic for her lapse of concentration and immediately offered compensation. Over the following days she repeatedly assured me to cover the cost of dent removal in full. However, after getting back to Queensland Mrs. Wooler had a remarkable change of attitude. At first she suggested to pay 50% of the repair costs and a week later she e-mailed to say that it was: ...indeed shameful behaviour for me to hold her responsible at all. On request I can make copies of our correspondence available. It makes for very interesting reading and demonstrates how easily humans are inclined to compromise their moral and ethical standards when the impact on their hip pocket becomes a little clearer. Be warned - coaching and trying to help others is not always a rewarding experience! When the total cost of less than a week of coaching is approaching $1500 it can put you off proper!!! Bernard Eckey ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] 100% electric VTOL
Hi Mike! You failed to mention that even the Sparrowhawk fuselage is a pretty good copy of the ASW and ASG series of sailplanes. It seems rather fashionable to copy the fuselage design of Schleicher gliders these days. The Jonker brothers have perfected the art. They simply made a mould from a new ASH 26 fuselage and used it on their JS1. Only the thread of legal action made them pay royalties in the end. Kind regards Bernard -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2013 7:22 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 100% electric VTOL Sorry Bernard, It is a Sparrowhawk from Windward performance, not an ASW or ASG. I like the e-volo copter design. This one looks like it owes something to that concept of multiple small rotors. Mike At 05:09 PM 27/02/2013, you wrote: Hello all! Have a look and see how the beautiful fuselage design of the ASW 27,ASW 28 and ASG 29 can be misused! http://www.jobyaviation.com/animation Kind regards Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] LiFePo4
Hi Luke, hello Scott Thank you both for your input. It is valuable and very much appreciated - just keep it coming!!! This highly relevant information is useful for most (if not all) glider pilots on this list. Kind regards to all! Bernard _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Luke Dodd Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 4:14 AM To: Michael Scutter; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] LiFePo4 I have been trialling the shorai and can support Johns assessement . Shorai rate their capacities on a cold cranking equivalent, its is entirely misleading if you are looking for a battery to supply a steady current over a long period of time. Their 14 ah will not supply 14ah for 1 hour or 1 ah for 14 hours. I have used their 7ah rated cells and its equivalent capacity compared to SLA or Nimh is more like that of a 2 ah cell. Also they are destroyed by deep discharge. Luke dodd From: Michael Scutter mailto:michael_scut...@yahoo.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:55 AM To: Discussion of issues relating mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] LiFePo4 John, that is really interesting. Have you sampled more than one battery or repeated the test on the same battery? Michael Scutter, Education Training Consultant, Email: michael_scut...@yahoo.com.au Mobile: 0417822330 (Int +614178223300) skype://michaelscutter I don't say anything here that I would not say to your face. _ From: John Parncutt jparn...@bigpond.net.au To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2013 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] LiFePo4 Hi David, The link you provide is to exactly the same model of Shorai battery I have been evaluating. The load tests I have done give it an actual capacity of 4 A/H (far from the stated capacity of 14 A/H). I have attached an image of the results for your info, for comparison the results on one of our clubs existing (used) lead acid glider batteries is also included. This clearly demonstrates the ability of the Lithium battery to provide an almost constant voltage across its complete discharge period whereas the lead acid battery voltage continually drops to a point where some of our instrumentation and particularly the radio in transmit mode may fail about halfway through discharge. If you note the Shorai literature states an equivalent A/H rating to that of a 14 A/H lead acid battery not an actual A/H rating. This is misleading and I think a bit of sales spin! The comparison I think is based on the Cold Cranking capacity of the battery, ie. the ability to delivery large currents to a starter motor bearing in mind these batteries are designed to replace wet lead acid motorcycle batteries. The bottom line is that the 14 A/H Shorai battery will not deliver 1 amp continuously for 14 hours, well certainly not the one I tested!! John Parncutt From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of David Conway Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2013 4:38 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] LiFePo4 Agreed; something like this would be better http://www.shoraipower.com/s.nl/it.A/id.91/.f 14AH - twice that of a normal SLA glider battery - and less than half the weight @ 662g David From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Sent: 26 February 2013 15:02 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] LiFePo4 Hi Ian From a safety point of view this is much better than what the Boeing dreamliner is using. However, I would never put a battery like that in a glider unless it is securely placed in a much more impact resistant enclosure. Kind regards Bernard _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ian Mc Phee Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2013 2:15 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] LiFePo4 About $87 and notice a new Arcus M was fitted at factory with something similar. This is NOT what B787 is using. Ian M http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__22656__ZIPPY_Flightmax_8400mAh_4S 2P_30C_LiFePo4_Pack_AUS_Warehouse_.html ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit
Re: [Aus-soaring] LiFePo4
Hello all It just occurred to me that I have omitted to thank John Parncutt for his research and his willingness to share the findings with us. Of course, in this context Mike Borgelt's professional advice must also be mentioned. Both contributions are extremely useful to many of my gliding friends including myself. Many thanks to both of you! Believe it or not, the last set of SLA batteries powering the engine circuit in my ASH 25 lasted for 10 years. At the time I opted for the most expensive SLA batteries I could get my hands on and now it appears that the old saying holds indeed true. You only get what you Kind regards to all. Bernard Eckey -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2013 11:22 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] LiFePo4 As I said yesterday, do proper engineering on your battery installation. If you don't have real numbers for temperature limits, discharge curves at various rates, charging characteristics etc etc you aren't doing engineering, you're just guessing. A battery designed to start a racing motorbike and then be recharged by the alternator and floated at that voltage likely has quite different characteristics, design and longevity from one designed for charging and deep discharging over several hours then recharging. You can also just stop and get off the bike when the battery catches fire. Li batteries all need individual cell monitoring during charge and use or at least when charging after mostly charged. The problem with Ni MH batteries is the number of cells (10 for a nominal 12 V system). You will have at least one weaker cell which will deep discharge more than the others and will be undercharged or more likely the other cells will overcharge resulting in reduced battery life. Individual cell monitoring would help but with 10 cells vs 4 for Li it is a pain. 3 years isn't bad for a NiMH battery pack. Some people have a problem with max weight of non lifting parts and a few kilos saved may make the difference between flying in or outside the weight and balance envelope. For these LiFEPO4 may be worthwhile but use the correct cells. The cylindrical Tenergy cells sold by these people have engineering data and are Underwriter Labs tested. The tests are published there too. Start here:http://www.all-battery.com/lifepo4battery.aspx I've dealt with them and they did what they said they would. Also these people may be of interest: The batteries seem to be the same as the Tenergy cells but with a different colour outer sleeve. They have battery monitoring/cutoff circuitry available also. You must use a low voltage cutoff at least. http://lithbattoz.com.au The old sealed lead acid batteries are OK. They are heavier although in many installations that may not matter. The capacity is usually quoted at the 20 hour rate. In modern gliders 1 amp continuous is not an unusual load so that's the 7 hour rate. Likely it is a 5 A-H battery at this rate. Give it a couple of dozen charge cycles and it is a 3 or 4 A-H battery and you begin to have problems. Note also the number of cycles you get is non linear with depth of discharge. Small % discharge you'll get lots of cycles. Large % discharge many, many fewer cycles. Size the battery to handle the longest flights and then use two batteries. Use one routinely, keep the other charged then when the first battery dies due to low capacity you have a known good battery. Put that one in the first position then put a new one in the standby position. You should always have a good battery available then. If using some new type either learn enough to do an engineering analysis or find someone willing to do one for you. Otherwise these things may get needlessly banned or we have fires in gliders. It would be embarrassing to explain to your insurance compny why you had to bail out of your burning glider. Mike ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] 100% electric VTOL
Hello all! Have a look and see how the beautiful fuselage design of the ASW 27,ASW 28 and ASG 29 can be misused! http://www.jobyaviation.com/animation Kind regards Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] AIRBUS has abandoned its plans touse lithium-ion batteries for its new A350 airplanes
Hello all I think it is important not to confuse Lithium-Ion with Lithium-Iron batteries. (Please note the additional letter) If my information is correct Boeing is using Lithium-Ion batteries in their Dreamliner and until recently Airbus was proposing to do the same in the new A 350. The gliding community is now increasingly turning to Lithium-Iron batteries! These batteries are very different and have proven to be significantly more stable even under extreme temperature conditions and after repeated mechanical impacts or lengthy exposure to vibration. Schleicher is now fitting LiFePo4 batteries on customer request for the reasons outlined in some of the previous postings on this matter. Kind regards to all! Bernard Eckey Ph. 08 84492871 _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Urs Rothacher Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2013 2:43 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] AIRBUS has abandoned its plans touse lithium-ion batteries for its new A350 airplanes It's interesting that billions of consumer devices can use Lithium-xxx batteries safely (maybe one per 100 million catching fire) while Boeing with the 'help' of FAA regulations manages to fry two out of fifty aircraft. The Monster has become very well at running the daily business (almost no more crashes in big, commercial aviation), but completely incapable of even minor innovation. Only my personal, uninformed, subjective, (somewhat outsider) observation. Urs From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of John Parncutt Sent: Montag, 25. Februar 2013 04:30 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] AIRBUS has abandoned its plans to use lithium-ion batteries for its new A350 airplanes All battery systems pose a potential fire risk especially if short circuited, this is why it is essential to provide a suitable fuse as close to the battery terminal as possible. Due to their potential to provide high amounts of discharge current Lithium batteries will generate a great deal of heat if shorted and certainly become a major fire or even explosion risk. If a cell or the battery develops an internal short (before the terminals) then no amount protection in the way of external fuses or circuit breakers will be effective. All new battery technology seems to go through this problem, I can well remember major similar issues with Nickel Metal Hydride batteries a couple of decades ago. I believe in the long term Lithium technology especially some of the newer Lithium Phosphate variants will replace the 150 year old lead acid technology completely (much in the same way as LED lighting is rapidly replacing both incandescent and fluorescent lighting). If you consider the huge amount of lithium batteries in use in mobile devices ranging from portable tools through to laptops, phones tablet PC's and now electric cars, and the relatively rare event of fires caused by these devices then I think it puts the situation into better perspective. One of the major differences in battery usage in a commercial airliner as opposed to a glider (apart from the obvious size of the batteries!) is that the airliners systems are designed to charge the batteries in flight. We would generally charge our batteries in the hanger (unless you have solar panels on the fuselage), And as far as I understand the charging process is where a significant amount of the overheating problems have occurred. I think Airbus is being justifiably prudent given the recent incident with the Boeing 787. However I think with pressure from the aviation industry that battery manufacturers will rapidly further develop their manufacturing processes and fine tune the chemistry, and Lithium technology will win out. As far as our own pastime is concerned, I have been evaluating Lithium Phosphate Batteries manufactured by Shorai in Japan. These are marketed as a replacement 12Volt motorcycle battery. I have conducted discharge tests at fixed current rates (generally 2 Amps) using a commercially designed computer based battery testing system, whilst the manufactures stated A/H capacity is somewhat overstated, the ability of the battery to provide a constant voltage throughout the discharge period (12V) is significantly better than that of its lead acid counterpart. Couple this with the reduced weight and expected longer life then this becomes an interesting option as a Glider battery. By the way throughout the testing I have at no stage found any evidence of abnormal heating of the battery. I have personally used the Shorai battery in flight several times, but given the concerns of the aviation industry in general have held off recommending that our club converts its fleet to this technology in the short
Re: [Aus-soaring] LiFePo4
Hi Ian From a safety point of view this is much better than what the Boeing dreamliner is using. However, I would never put a battery like that in a glider unless it is securely placed in a much more impact resistant enclosure. Kind regards Bernard _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ian Mc Phee Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2013 2:15 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] LiFePo4 About $87 and notice a new Arcus M was fitted at factory with something similar. This is NOT what B787 is using. Ian M http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__22656__ZIPPY_Flightmax_8400mAh_4S 2P_30C_LiFePo4_Pack_AUS_Warehouse_.html ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] FW: deafpilots
Hi all A German instructor friend of mine sent me the link below. http://www.deafpilots.co.uk/ Is anyone aware of similar cases in Australia? Kind regards Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] John Orton
Good morning all! Could anyone help me with the current e-mail address of John Orton, please? Many thanks Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Books have arrived!
Hi all Today is a very special day for me. At long last I got my hands on a consignment of the third edition of Advanced Soaring Made Easy. After spending an hour or so to look at my work I opened my e-mails and found three very complimentary comments from European readers who have had access to the book for over two months already. The nicest one is from Professor Carlos Seone - a well known gliding identity in Spain. His email is reproduced below. Dear Mr. Eckey, After some very busy time, I was finally able to read the new edition of your excellent book. I must say that it is now even more complete and considerably improved. Congratulations, again, and thanks on behalf of the world's soaring community. We all benefit from your wonderful job. With kindest regards, from a very wintery Europe. Carlos Seoane Sometimes it is worth getting out of bed in the morning!!! Kind regards to all Bernard PS: We are busy packing and will endeavour to dispatch all prepaid books early tomorrow morning! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Merry Christmas
Dear fellow gliding addicts Christmas is just around the corner and another year is drawing to a close. Schleicher and I would like to thank our ever growing customer base for the pleasant cooperation and for the tremendous support received during 2012. Please let me take this opportunity to extend our best wishes for the festive season to the entire Australian gliding movement. We wish all of you a Merry Christmas and lots of memorable flights in 2013. Bernard Christel Eckey ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Sailplane books by Martin Simons
Hi all, just a short note to let you know that we have a few books of the Sailplane Series by Martin Simons left in stock. If you are still looking for a Christmas present for a glider pilot just send us an e-mail off line. (ec...@internode.on.net) Have a great Christmas and lots of safe flying in 2013! Kind regards FUTURE AVIATION PTY. LTD. Bernard Chris Eckey 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 South Australia Ph. (08) 84492871 mobile 0412 981204 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Space shuttle / 747 over Southern California
Hello all! Please have a look at this. Some great views of Southern California as the NASA 747 with the Space Shuttle aboard arrives. This truly historical film is worth seeing (In HD and full screen display). http://marcbrecy.perso.neuf.fr/shuttlelax/Shuttlelaxvideo.html http://marcbrecy.perso.neuf.fr/shuttlelax/Shuttlelaxvideo.html Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Nexus 7 Installation Update
Hi Paul Thanks for all your trouble but I have just revamped my entire instrument panel and I'm reluctant to repeat the exercise. Kind regards Bernard -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Paul Mander Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2012 4:17 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'; 'Bernie Baer' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Nexus 7 Installation Update Hi Bernard, just get a Nexus 7, you can orientate it portrait or landscape and the picture takes care of itself. It really is good. And cheap. All the best, Paul. -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Sent: 23 October 2012 12:03 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'; 'Bernie Baer' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Nexus 7 Installation Update Good morning Paul, hello all I'm also an XCSoar user and would like to find out whether the latest version is also available in portrait. Any information or feedback would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Bernard -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Paul Mander Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2012 10:51 AM To: 'Bernie Baer'; aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Nexus 7 Installation Update Thanks to all the people who responded to my appeal for help in integrating the Nexus 7 into my glider. The upshot is that I decided that the Nexus/XCSoar combo was sufficient in itself, and that to interface it with the Flarm was of minimal added value given that I already have a Digital Voice Synthesizer. By not interfacing I lose only the radar display and I can live with that. I therefore installed it so as to draw from the glider's power supply, with no further interfacing. Easy. I have now flown with it, and I must say the combination of Nexus 7 and XCSoar is brilliant. The display is very legible in bright sunlight, and the latest version of XCSoar is much improved on the version that I had in my Altair. It is wondrously user friendly and useful in its range of capabilities. I like it and I'll stay with it. I'm now seeking help because during this period my Windows XP updated itself, and now won't even see the Nexus, let alone allow files to be copied across to it or from it. At the same time it has changed so that it won't make a connection with or recognise the Nano LX data logger that I've bought from John Orton to replace my trusty old Zander, now obsolete. Can anyone assist? Thanks, Paul Mander ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Nexus 7 Installation Update
Good morning Paul, hello all I'm also an XCSoar user and would like to find out whether the latest version is also available in portrait. Any information or feedback would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Bernard -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Paul Mander Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2012 10:51 AM To: 'Bernie Baer'; aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Nexus 7 Installation Update Thanks to all the people who responded to my appeal for help in integrating the Nexus 7 into my glider. The upshot is that I decided that the Nexus/XCSoar combo was sufficient in itself, and that to interface it with the Flarm was of minimal added value given that I already have a Digital Voice Synthesizer. By not interfacing I lose only the radar display and I can live with that. I therefore installed it so as to draw from the glider's power supply, with no further interfacing. Easy. I have now flown with it, and I must say the combination of Nexus 7 and XCSoar is brilliant. The display is very legible in bright sunlight, and the latest version of XCSoar is much improved on the version that I had in my Altair. It is wondrously user friendly and useful in its range of capabilities. I like it and I'll stay with it. I'm now seeking help because during this period my Windows XP updated itself, and now won't even see the Nexus, let alone allow files to be copied across to it or from it. At the same time it has changed so that it won't make a connection with or recognise the Nano LX data logger that I've bought from John Orton to replace my trusty old Zander, now obsolete. Can anyone assist? Thanks, Paul Mander ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Nexus 7 Installation Update
Hi Tom I should have told you that I'm running XCSoar on Altair. It can't detect its orientation. Bernie Baer seems to think that the latest version lets me choose between landscape and portrait mode. If that is the case my problem is solved!!! Thanks for your input! Kind regards Bernard _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom.wilk...@internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2012 11:55 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Nexus 7 Installation Update Hi Bernard The latest version changes from portrait to landscape mode as you rotate your device. So it automatically senses its orientation and adjusts accordingly. I'm not sure what it does if your device can't detect which way up it is facing. Maybe there is a manual setting. What device are you running XCsoar on? Cheers Tom - Original Message - From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net, Bernie Baer bb...@internode.on.net Cc: Sent: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 11:32:33 +1030 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Nexus 7 Installation Update Good morning Paul, hello all I'm also an XCSoar user and would like to find out whether the latest version is also available in portrait. Any information or feedback would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Bernard -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Paul Mander Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2012 10:51 AM To: 'Bernie Baer'; aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Nexus 7 Installation Update Thanks to all the people who responded to my appeal for help in integrating the Nexus 7 into my glider. The upshot is that I decided that the Nexus/XCSoar combo was sufficient in itself, and that to interface it with the Flarm was of minimal added value given that I already have a Digital Voice Synthesizer. By not interfacing I lose only the radar display and I can live with that. I therefore installed it so as to draw from the glider's power supply, with no further interfacing. Easy. I have now flown with it, and I must say the combination of Nexus 7 and XCSoar is brilliant. The display is very legible in bright sunlight, and the latest version of XCSoar is much improved on the version that I had in my Altair. It is wondrously user friendly and useful in its range of capabilities. I like it and I'll stay with it. I'm now seeking help because during this period my Windows XP updated itself, and now won't even see the Nexus, let alone allow files to be copied across to it or from it. At the same time it has changed so that it won't make a connection with or recognise the Nano LX data logger that I've bought from John Orton to replace my trusty old Zander, now obsolete. Can anyone assist? Thanks, Paul Mander ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Women in Gliding Week 2012
Hi Jess You can count me in as long as you think I fit the SNAGG requirement! Kind regards Bernard _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jessica Stauss Sent: Friday, 19 October 2012 11:02 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Women in Gliding Week 2012 Hello Everyone, We thought we'd just draw your attention for a minute to another Gliding Event happening this Summer. The Women In Gliding week is happening from Jan. 19th in Gawler SA and we'd love to see you there. The week is for Women glider pilots of all ages and stages as a sort of coaching and achievements week. Don't think it's just for women though, we would love to see just as many SNAGGs (Sensitive New Aged Gliding Guys) tagging along. For more information see: http://wigweek2012.blogspot.com.au/ or our facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/events/224493711006077/?fref=ts https://wwwfacebook.com/events/224493711006077/?fref=ts Cheers, Jess Stauss, Ailsa McMillan Claire Scutter ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] 50' obstacle clearance rule
Hi Terry, hello all A lot has now been said about the 50 ft rule but I'm surprised that no one has pointed out that this can be outright dangerous. Consider the case where a heavy open class glider (touching down at 55 kts) is forced to outland in a rather small paddock. Compared to an average 15 m glider (touching down at 40 kts) more than 2.5 times the energy needs to dissipated. Pilots adhering to the 50 ft rule will get on the ground far too late and most likely find themselves in real trouble with the back fence. In fact, they stand a very good chance of getting a honorary mention next time an accident summary is published. The situation gets even worse when the pilot adheres to the minimum of a wingspan clearance rule . It increases the clearance to 80 or even 90 ft which almost certainly guarantees an accident. As others have pointed out COMMON SENSE (rather than a blind following of the rules) is what's needed. No doubt, the 50 ft rule makers had good intentions but . Kind regards to all Bernard From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Terry Neumann Sent: Saturday, 20 October 2012 9:50 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 50' obstacle clearance rule Surely the important thing here is to clear any ground fixed obstacle on approach by a safe margin. That will vary according to the circumstances and the pilot's experience and competence. This discussion has demonstrated how quickly things can be confused by getting hung up on units of measurement. I think we should maintain the simple concept of a minimum of a wingspan clearance as a guide when training (and for early post solo), and allow competent pilots with experience to vary this in later flying according to the situation they find themselves in. Finally in respect of units of measurement it's worth repeating a story told by Mike Valentine.In an earlier lifetime he found himself sitting in pretty basic military jets training with Indian pilots. (Don't ask - it's complicated).Impressed with one particular pilot's ability to repeatedly do good landings, Mike commented on the fact. The reply was Oh well, my instructor always advised me to start the round out when at the height of two elephants . Perhaps we can mandate clearing approach obstacles by the height of ten kangaroos . tn ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] FW: Ridge lift - 12 Apostles
Hi Nelson Soaring costal cliffs is common practice in many parts of the world. I wanted to enclose two photos taken in California and The Netherlands but my initial posting was rejected due to a 5 Mb attachment. I have done a 250 km out and return flight along the West Coast of New Zealand's North Island together with 6 other gliders. The cliffs were only 60 feet high in places but it turned out to be much easier than expected. This is probably due to the smooth and turbulent-free wind after travelling over water for hundreds of kilometres. Kind regards Bernard _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Nelson Handcock Sent: Friday, 5 October 2012 3:28 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Ridge lift - 12 Apostles I came across this a while ago - http://video.heraldsun.com.au/2021617283/Wet-and-wild Makes me wonder if it be possible (legalities aside) to safely soar along this part of the Vic coastline? With the wind coming straight onto the sheer cliffs, would there be enough lift to soar along the edge? I believe there is a club (Grampians?) that do an annual camp further westwards along the coast...I wonder if they experience ridge lift on the coast? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Third edition of Advanced Soaring Made Easy
Good morning all! Some of you might be interested to learn that the third edition of Advanced Soaring Made Easy is currently being printed. It contains almost 100 additional pages (compared to the second edition) and can now be regarded as the first all encompassing book on gliding. It also features some spectacular photographs from fellow pilots all over the world. I'm very proud to announce that the price will remain unchanged at A$ 69.90 with a 10% discount for bulk orders of ten or more books. This is possible due to the current strength of the Australian Dollar and Harry Medlicott's generous sponsorship. He has offered to bring some books to Australia (together with his new glider) without charging for this service. Thank you Harry and Wendy!!! I expect to have a limited number of books available in Australia in time for Christmas. Customers wishing to secure a book (on request with the author's inscription) can send an e-mail (off line, please) to: mailto:ec...@internode.on.net ec...@internode.on.net Please forgive me for announcing the third edition on this newsgroup! As you can see I have kept the cost down to the absolute minimum which means that advertising at commercial rates is out of the question. I trust you will understand. Kind regards to all Bernard Eckey ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer advertisement
Hi Ron Please let me have your phone number. I might be able to help! Kind regards Bernard Eckey -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2012 3:23 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Trailer advertisement This is a blatant advertisement and you are welcome to hit delete. I have trailer in Europe that I wish to freight to Aus some time---not in a hurry. The trailer is fitted out for an ASW 20 but can accommodate pretty well any 18m 15m glider and so I am looking for someone who is importing an 18 or 15m glider to share the costs of the container with. Replies to resand...@gmail.com Thanks ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders
Hi Tim With all due respect but I think you are missing the point ever so slightly here. Let me explain! When LS went bankrupt DG took over and promised an even better support than the original manufacturer. In fact for the best part of a decade Mr. Weber (owner of DG) never got tired of advertising that he is not only the true saviour of all these LS gliders but also of all aircraft built before DG went into liquidation. Now the situation seems to have changed and Mr. Weber has learned the hard way that one can make a small fortune in aviation as long as one starts with a big one. Failing to develop a competitive glider in a shrinking market has pushed DG to the brink and it is truly amazing to see how all this original marketing hype has disappeared. Contrary to other manufacturers customers not only pay for spare parts but on top of it they are forced to pay a hefty annual fee just to be considered for spare parts. Mr. Weber has now gone into retirement and factory staff is rightly concerned that his accumulated wealth from previous business activities will no longer support an ailing glider manufacturing division. Close observers know that the company is moving into non aviation related activities and the gliding world can only hope that this is successful. Together with the involuntary service fee it might keep DG afloat and owners of LS and DG gliders can get the support needed to keep their gliders in the air. Hopefully the concept proves viable in the medium term. If not it would be another nail in the coffin of gliding! Kind regards to all! Bernard _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Tim Shirley Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2012 10:07 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders It must cost quite a bit to maintain all the paperwork and engineering expertise for the older gliders and if they are going to stay in business someone has to pay the bills. I guess some factories might just load up the price of new gliders, or their repair prices, or their price for parts, in DG's case they are asking the owners of the older gliders to pay a subscription. Whatever way it is done, it can never be a charity. I'm not defending their particular business model, only observing that there's no such thing as a free launch. Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare On 20/03/2012 10:20, Ross McLean wrote: Up to that point I had always had a high regard for DG. Once they pulled that little trick I was much less impressed with them. The LS8 is such a great glider though I am now at their mercy. ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of John Trezise Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2012 8:14 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders Hi Ross ... so you were hit for 2 years. The annual fee if you go through Tom is Eu190 per year around ... around AUD 260 including GST. Direct to the factory (which allows you to deal directly with DG) is Eu250 ... around AUD312. John ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] ASH 26 E for sale
Good afternoon One of my customers wants to sell his near new ASH 26 E and has asked me to place this notice on Aus-soaring. Kind regards to all Bernard ASH26E VH-YBK for sale. Seventy-five hours total time and with near new Komet trailer. Engine maintenance and AD done. Presently hangared at Lake Keepit. Everything in perfect condition. Has top-of-the-line instruments (details on request). Best offer below $200k. Call Jim Hackett on 0429954825 or 0740390939. Or email mailto:jim.hacke...@gmail.com jim.hacke...@gmail.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Keep on Dreaming
Hi all Please enjoy!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSXDANbWgVYfeature=youtube_gdata_player Kind regards Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Glider delivery opportunity
Good morning all This is to let you know that I have secured a slot on the Schleicher production line which falls due in September of this year. Right now it is still available but it applies to single seaters only (either an ASG 29 or an ASH 31). Please contact me off line if you are thinking of upgrading and would like to take advantage of our extremely strong Australian Dollar. It has positively affected the prices for new gliders which means that you could possibly be in a brand new glider as early as next season. Kind regards to all! FUTURE AVIATION PTY LTD Bernard Eckey 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 South Australia Ph. 08-84492871 Mobile 0412 981 204 ec...@internode.on.net ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Shipping opportunity
Hello all One of my customers purchased a Komet trailer which is now due for shipment. Please contact me in case you looking for an opportunity to ship other parts in the same container. Kind regards FUTURE AVIATION PTY LTD Bernard Eckey 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 South Australia Ph 08-84492871 Mobile 0412 981 204 ec...@internode.on.net ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Type certification of ASH 31 Mi
Good morning all For those of you who are interested in the ASH 31 Mi certification please look at: http://easa.europa.eu/certification/type-certificates/docs/aircrafts/EASA-TC DS-A.538_ASH--31--Mi-01-25012012.pdf Kind regards Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] ASH 26 E for sale
Good morning all! One of my customers wants to upgrade! Currently he owns an ASH 26 E but now he is keen to get an ASH 31 Mi with 21 meter wingspan. Please contact me off line if you are in the market for a self launching 18 meter glider. Thank you Bernard Eckey 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 South Australia Ph/Fax 08-84492871 Mobile 0412 981 204 ec...@internode.on.net ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Speed of Sound short video lesson
Hello all! All you ever wanted to know about the speed of sound. http://www.youtube.com/embed/gWGLAAYdbbc http://www.youtube.com/embed/gWGLAAYdbbc Please enjoy!!! Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Martin Simons books
Hi all, Just a quick e-mail to let you know that the english version of Advanced Soaring Made Easy is sold out. However, one German bookstore has exchanged a larger number of English books for the German version. On request we will get these books shipped to Australia but if you are in urgent need of the book please contact Al Sim at http://www.gosoaring.com.au/ All is not lost!!! We have the following books in stock: Sailplane Series by Martin Simons Sailplanes 1920 - 1945 Sailplanes 1945 - 1965 Sailplanes 1965 - 2000 If you are still looking for Christmas present for a glider pilot just send us an e-mail off line. Have a great Christmas and lots of safe flying in 2012! FUTURE AVIATION PTY LTD Bernard Chris Eckey 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 South Australia Ph: 08-84492871 Mobile 0412 981 204 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] FW: long X/C flight
Hello all! For your information I'm enclosing a correction! Kind regards Bernard _ From: Terry Delore [mailto:terry-wendy-del...@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:36 PM To: Future Aviation Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] long X/C flight Big B I think someone is dreaming, I have had one flight since I saw you in Omarama and that was 1 1/2 hours in my Libelle. 2500k?? where did that come from? Last year I did 2500k. Regards Terry - Original Message - From: Future mailto:ec...@internode.on.net Aviation To: 'Terry Delore' mailto:terry-wendy-del...@xtra.co.nz Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 1:40 PM Subject: FW: [Aus-soaring] long X/C flight Hi Terry Well done and congratulations, mate!!! Additional information would be very much appreciated. Kind regards Bernard _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Bob Thomas Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2011 11:06 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] long X/C flight congratulatins to Terry Delore who has just flown 2500k in fiftteen and half hours eclipsing his flight of 2200 k in Argentina some years ago. Well done Terry. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider covers
Hi Peter Sorry for the late response! Please check out the following: www.vertigocovers.co.uk If my information is correct these covers have a number of significant advantages and are far superior to other covers on the market. Their fabrics are much more durable, breathable and UV resistant. The manufacturer claims that the fabric can not be torn and if a hole is created it wont increase in size. This is because the fabric is woven which gives it the amazing strength. The fabric stops 99% of all UV A and UV B rays from contacting the aircraft, the fabric is also UV stabalised to prevents the fabric from being broken down. These covers never suffer from the chalky dust found on other covers which is the result of coated fabric being broken down by UV. Vertigo covers also have a patented addition of Night Glow. This reflective beading added to the seems in specific areas creates a visual awareness of the location of the aircraft at night. In addition Gore sewing threads are used which do not rot even if the aircraft is parked in the open for a very long period of time. I don't know how these covers compare in terms of price but it would be worthwhile finding out. Kind regards Bernard Eckey _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter Brookman Sent: Sunday, 18 September 2011 9:40 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Glider covers I am wondering if anyone has had any contact with a Chinese manufacturer of allweather glider covers, ordered or received any goods from them. I had received an email from Jerry-Cover promoting their glider covers at a substancially lower cost that the more widely known European supply. I would be interested in any comments or reviews. They look to be very good by their website. http://www.kerry-cover.com/ You can reply to my email off line; brook...@activ8.net.au Thanks, Peter ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Simulator Update
Hi Tomm Great stuff - keep up the good work and let me know when it is ready for inspection! Many thanks and kind regards Bernard _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom.wilk...@internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, 9 October 2011 7:19 PM To: augc-peo...@lists.internode.on.net; Discussion issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Simulator Update Hi Everyone It's been a while but I have finally got around to updating the Simulator blog. It can be seen as usual at: http://soarabilitysim.blogspot.com/ Enjoy! Tom ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Owl on Final Approach
Thanks for that DMcD That is pretty good wildlife photography too! Kind regards Bernard -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of DMcD Sent: Sunday, 9 October 2011 3:03 PM To: McLean Richard; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Owl on Final Approach The owl footage is nice stuff, but for the full engineer's viewpoint of how birds fly and why each species is shaped the way it is and lives where it does, the BBC video In-Flight Movie has seldom been bettered. Some of the air-to air footage is amazing and the shot of a Peregrine falcon from what appears to be a camera mounted on the bird's back is stunning. This footage is good too. The Knot looks like it's in a wind tunnel. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00cn99m ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Owl on Final Approach
Good morning all This is by far the best nature photography I have ever seen - pretty cool. It's in slow motion, so when you start it, you'll think it isn't working yet but it is.. Thought you all might enjoy watching this. Talk about power. Talk about a variable geometry wing... It is spectacular. http://www.dogwork.com/owfo8/ http://www.dogwork.com/owfo8/ Have a nice day!! Bernard http://www.incredimail.com/?id=619265did=10500ppd=2725,201107241501,9,%5b TypeID%5d,%5bIM_UPN2%5drui=97128389sd=20111006 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Australian Atmospheric Soundings
Hi Gary Yes, I can't get the Australian Atmospheric Soundings either. Please drop me a line when you have the solution. Many thanks and kind regards Bernard _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of gstev...@bigpond.com Sent: Friday, 16 September 2011 4:15 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Australian Atmospheric Soundings Anybody else having recent trouble connecting to this site? Anybody got Mark Newton's contact details? Please advise details offline. Regards, Gary ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Precision flying
Good morning all Please enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOE5a_HIEFcfeature=player_embedded Kind regards to all Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] September Special
Hi Mike Can you confirm that the B 700 fits into a standard 57 mm panel hole? Thank you Bernard -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Tuesday, 30 August 2011 1:32 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] September Special We're running a Special for the month of September 2011 B700 at A$792 plus shipping for orders during September. Normally A$847 plus shipping. The B700 is a great replacement for your old mechanical vario, easier to install (no flasks) and actually useful because of the audio, averager and integrator and the comparator of those. Details on our website www.borgeltinstruments.com The manual is there also and also details of the B800 and the manual for that. If you have an Oudie, the B800 was designed with the Oudie in mind. Hopefully this spring and summer will be better than the last one and have less rain. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's
Hello Tom, hello Mike An empty weight reduction is no longer a dream but reality. The empty weight of the ASG 29 is already a lot lower than any of its competitors but on top of that Schleicher offers a SL (Super Light) version. Using a more expensive (but substantionally lighter) composite lay-up allows the empty weight to be reduced by another 10 kg. I know that is nowhere near the 30 kg you are asking for but a big step in that direction. Kind regards to all! Bernard _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 1:19 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's Or any glider Mike! _ From: Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2011 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's At 01:43 PM 17/08/2011, you wrote: Another good weak weather glider Ron. ;] Imagine if they pulled 30KG of empty weight out of it. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's
Hi Adam Contrary to your advice I did check out the results of ther other classes. Since you elected to focus on 15 Meter class I have taken the liberty to bring up the 18 Meter results. a) The first two places went to ASG 29 Pilots b) There were six ASG 29 amongst the first 10 placegetters c) The very first V2 (flown by an ex world champion) finished only in 10th place. I ask all the others for forgiveness for bothering them with this trivial bit of news. It would not have been necessary if a slightly more balanced style of reporting had been applied in the first place. Kind regards to all Bernard PS: Apparently the ASH 30 prototype left a very good impression. Starting the engine when almost everyone else got home (and getting 48 points for the effort) did not see it on the podium but the feedback from the pilots and fellow competitors was overwhelmingly positive. _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2011 9:28 AM To: AUS Soaring Subject: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's http://www.soaringspot.com/lsf_egc2011/results/15-meter/total/day10.html Mmmm, Ventus 2's !! Don't worry about checking out the other classes, not important this time around :) Safe Circles, WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's
Hi Tom Your e-mail prompted me to look at the results of the pre-worlds in Uvalde, USA. Bruce did exceptionally well. Apparently he flew an ASG 29 and managed to win six days out of eight. Later today I will write to him and congratulate him on the effort. I assume he has decided to fly an ASG 29 again at the world comps next year. Am I guessing correctly? If my information is correct the German national team has also made the switch from the Ventus 2 to the ASG 29. Feel free to have a look at the results of the German nationals (and the other nationals in Europe for that matter). Kind regards Bernard _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2011 12:33 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's Yep, the Dwarf model Schemp is the machine of choice for 15M in crap conditions! After spending 3 weeks in a V2B I have a lot of respect for them, however for numerous reasons there is NFW I would trade my 29 for one! The 29 owners flew 18M so not many to compare. How many V2 -15s in Aus? I would like to try a 29 in 15M, however that class is dead in Australia for new gliders - 18M is the way to go! Bernard may be happy with Bruce's choice of glider for Uvalde next year! ;] Tom _ From: Adam Woolley aussiejuniort...@hotmail.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2011 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's The e-mail I sent was literally meant to be a cheeky one, knew it'd cause a stir amongst readers. As I saw it, the comment to not to bother with the other classes basically meant - that most would, they'd see the full picture.. I noticed that the AS gliders were the machine of choice in 18m, they sure are a great machine! I just didn't want to admit it :) Safe Circles, WPP - Sent from mBox Mail on my iPad http://www.fluentfactory.com/mboxmail On 2011-08-16 10:50:38 + Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Adam Contrary to your advice I did check out the results of ther other classes. Since you elected to focus on 15 Meter class I have taken the liberty to bring up the 18 Meter results. a) The first two places went to ASG 29 Pilots b) There were six ASG 29 amongst the first 10 placegetters c) The very first V2 (flown by an ex world champion) finished only in 10th place. I ask all the others for forgiveness for bothering them with this trivial bit of news. It would not have been necessary if a slightly more balanced style of reporting had been applied in the first place. Kind regards to all Bernard PS: Apparently the ASH 30 prototype left a very good impression. Starting the engine when almost everyone else got home (and getting 48 points for the effort) did not see it on the podium but the feedback from the pilots and fellow competitors was overwhelmingly positive. _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2011 9:28 AM To: AUS Soaring Subject: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's http://www.soaringspot.com/lsf_egc2011/results/15-meter/total/day10.html Mmmm, Ventus 2's !! Don't worry about checking out the other classes, not important this time around :) Safe Circles, WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's
Hi Ron That may be so but I have it on equally good authority that Schleicher sold another eleven ASG 29 in just under six weeks. It seems that the gliding world is rapidly waking up. I hasten to add that the Australian competition scene proved to be clearly a step ahead of the rest. Kind regards Bernard -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2011 8:26 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's I have it on very good authority that the French team has just ordered a JS1!! Regards, Ron On 17 August 2011 00:29, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Tom Your e-mail prompted me to look at the results of the pre-worlds in Uvalde, USA. Bruce did exceptionally well. Apparently he flew an ASG 29 and managed to win six days out of eight. Later today I will write to him and congratulate him on the effort. I assume he has decided to fly an ASG 29 again at the world comps next year. Am I guessing correctly? If my information is correct the German national team has also made the switch from the Ventus 2 to the ASG 29. Feel free to have a look at the results of the German nationals (and the other nationals in Europe for that matter). Kind regards Bernard From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2011 12:33 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's Yep, the Dwarf model Schemp is the machine of choice for 15M in crap conditions! After spending 3 weeks in a V2B I have a lot of respect for them, however for numerous reasons there is NFW I would trade my 29 for one! The 29 owners flew 18M so not many to compare. How many V2 -15s in Aus? I would like to try a 29 in 15M, however that class is dead in Australia for new gliders - 18M is the way to go! Bernard may be happy with Bruce's choice of glider for Uvalde next year! ;] Tom From: Adam Woolley aussiejuniort...@hotmail.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2011 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's The e-mail I sent was literally meant to be a cheeky one, knew it'd cause a stir amongst readers. As I saw it, the comment to not to bother with the other classes basically meant - that most would, they'd see the full picture.. I noticed that the AS gliders were the machine of choice in 18m, they sure are a great machine! I just didn't want to admit it :) Safe Circles, WPP - Sent from mBox Mail on my iPad http://www.fluentfactory.com/mboxmail On 2011-08-16 10:50:38 + Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Adam Contrary to your advice I did check out the results of ther other classes. Since you elected to focus on 15 Meter class I have taken the liberty to bring up the 18 Meter results. a) The first two places went to ASG 29 Pilots b) There were six ASG 29 amongst the first 10 placegetters c) The very first V2 (flown by an ex world champion) finished only in 10th place. I ask all the others for forgiveness for bothering them with this trivial bit of news. It would not have been necessary if a slightly more balanced style of reporting had been applied in the first place. Kind regards to all Bernard PS: Apparently the ASH 30 prototype left a very good impression. Starting the engine when almost everyone else got home (and getting 48 points for the effort) did not see it on the podium but the feedback from the pilots and fellow competitors was overwhelmingly positive. _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2011 9:28 AM To: AUS Soaring Subject: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's http://www.soaringspot.com/lsf_egc2011/results/15-meter/total/day10.h tml Mmmm, Ventus 2's !! Don't worry about checking out the other classes, not important this time around :) Safe Circles, WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check
[Aus-soaring] FW: New flying toy
Good morning all! Please enjoy! Truly amazing For many years, people have been trying to develop machines to fly like a bird. Over 500 years ago Leonardo thought about and drew sketches of a human powered machine (ornithopter) he called Il Cigno. It appears this dream has finally been accomplished. Links for two versions of the story are below. You may have to copy and paste into your browser. Short version http://www.flixxy.com/airplane-flies-like-a-bird.htm Longer version with more explanation http://www.youtube.com:80/watch_popup?v=Fg_JcKSHUtQ _ Kind regards to all! Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Shortest Runway
Good afternoon all! Please enjoy http://www.snotr.com/video/7502/Awesome_pilot_skills http://www.snotr.com/video/7502/Awesome_pilot_skillsKind Kind regards Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Tehachapi and Bishop Soaring 2011
Good morning all! Please enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDIV5xKku5gfeature=youtu.be Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] FANTASTICALLY BEAUTIFUL TIME LAPSE VIDEO
Hello all! Please enjoy some beautiful time lapse videos from Daniel Lopez. El Cielo de http://vimeo.com/23205323 Canarias (Canary Sky) is simply, unbelievably breathtaking. http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1ZEeHY/blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy /2011/05/04/incredibly-impossibly-beautiful-time-lapse-video/ Bernard Eckey ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
