The reason you see a lot of airport related weather data is because many
of the Met Office's weather stations are based at airports - hence why
if you're watching a BBC News report on hot weather, they'll often be
reporting from Heathrow ;) IIRC there's about fifty odd weather
stations in the UK
Obviously someone forgot to put that information on the jobs site. Looks like
someone else was wondering, as I found that there's been a freedom of
information request asking for the exact same information, in connection to a
job application!
Are there old shows in your archive that have had their
copyrights expire? If so, there's no reason they can't be
placed up right now, other then potentially bandwidth. (To
which I'd say that you should offer them via torrent -- you
keep running the tracker and a single seed, and let
I'm at work so I can't check at the moment, but ISTR that my telly
licence has a unique reference number with it.
This is going back a few years (say about 3-4). I used to buy my
license from the old Post Office, and those didn't have a unique
number on them. The ones you get sent
http://www.bbc.co.uk/accessibility/
Why is there no text only link on this page? There is on most pages
on bbc.co.uk...
Probably because it has accessibility features built into the page
itself, which allow the presentation in a similar way to what Betsie
provides, and in some aspects,
I did this a while ago (I have a lot of metro map datasets for
research I am doing for my PhD). Here's the London one:
http://www.jstott.me.uk/googlemaps/tubemap/
Very cool, but if I can be pedantic for one second, it looks
to me as tho' you have the central line station at Shepherd's
Well, it is now that Jonathan has moved it :)
You know, that might explain it :)
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Incidentally, this is one (the only?) benefit of the BBC
using Real Player - trying to drag this thread back on-topic.
Real includes some nifty bandwidth-sensing, and the same
stream can serve anything from 8k to 800k. The BBC's are
configured this way; also our only native Real streams
On the BBC News site, you cantell which images are
BBC sourced, and which are agency sourced by the presence or absence of a small
credit on the image itself.
For example, on this story http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5074164.stm,
the top image is uncredited which should be BBC sourced,
Not a Backstage issue, perhaps, but the main BBC TV listening
have some serious problem today.
For example Today is set for Wednesday, not Thursday, on BBC 1.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/listings/index.shtml?service_id=4223DAY=tod
ay
Looks fine to me - and not just looking via the BBC
Obviously BDS (along with other companies) have a business
model which involves aggregating schedule data and supplying
it to other parties.
(Why is it I always think of something extra to say, after I've sent the
email?)
It's also worth remembering the history behind the particular Act of
The one part of this I *really* don't get is that accurate TV
listing data is only going to generate more viewers. So why
on earth would you want to restrict it?
You would be amazed at how many similar situations there are to this -
there was quite an interesting one recently where
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Some categorisation around the prototypes would be a good
start - I was looking for some mashups involving TV listings to seeif
anyone had done a schedule search that would appear in RSS -found what I
was looking for inwww.mightyv.com/,
but it took
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You can also search schedules by date, genre, keyword, title
or actor and get the results by email or RSS at www.tvplanner.co.uk.
/plug
Cheers,
Rich.
On 10/5/06, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some categorisation around the prototypes would be a good start
For the complete framework of the public's and BBC's legal
responsibility,
it is worth reading the BBC's disclaimer and House Rules.
You also agree to indemnify the BBC against all legal fees,
damages and
other expenses that may be incurred by the BBC as a result of your
breach of the
Most of which are caused by the use of XHTML style tags within a HTML
4.0 doctype, along with that age old favourite, not encoding the 's (oh
the bain of my life that one!)
I suspect whacking an XHTML doctype on would solve a lot of the
additional errors that are thrown up - the W3C validator
In my hallucination, it should take one person within
Auntie's legal department about a month to change the
contracts for content production, add some budget for servers
and bandwidth, to make the biggest change to how the BBC
works since radio gave way to black and white TV.
I reckon
now since there are only so many hours in the day, it's
pretty certain that TV's dominance in terms of time (and it's
*hugely dominant, even for kids) will be challenged - but
yotube won't kill TV - it'll change it, just like TV changed
radio, but radio listening is more popular than
Surely, the Chairman decides what he can do.
I see no reason at all why the Chairman couldn't hack perl.
It's just that most Chairman don't.
Well the BBC Chair of the Governers role (soon to be in charge of the
BBC Trust - more arms length from the BBC) doesn't - I believe - specify
Perl
Tom: Many thanks for the browser breakdown for November.
Interesting that Cable receives also has high a percentage of
Safari. I suppose the up-shot is that if you make the
decision on which platforms to support from that statistic,
if you include Safari, Cable should be there as well.
In an era where we now have IP video delivery (and such
delivery will increase in the future) then what is the point
of the BBC? If Paul Jackson Productions can produce Red Dwarf IV
I'm going to put my Dwarf hat on and quote the production of Red Dwarf.
Series 1 (IIRC) was produced by BBC
Mmmm, think we're getting to an age where we need to reassess
what tv quality programming is and what it means. We're not
heading to a TV age, so the concept of TV programming will
probably not be terribly relevant in a few years or so.
The concept of TV programming may disappear because
How about using page numbers with one and two digits as 'short codes'.
Unlike Ceefax where you have to enter a three digit number,
you have to press SELECT after entering the number on the
digital text services. Am I having a PRESTEL flashback here?
You could introduce a 'short code'
IMHO:
Technology can't hang around for the slow people to migrate, can it?
One has to accept that IE 7 users need to install a plugin or
go without.
Flip side is, if the majority of your audience need to download a plugin
to view something... will they actually bother? Or indeed can they
Given that a recent EU study
(http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/17/0113235 )
has shown the benifits of FLOSS, why can't the BBC monolith move to
an open
development system? Surely the BBC should lead the way in opening up
it's internal
proprietary junk, after all as a
However one of the problems with open sourcing is that a lot of the
BBC's applications are built very specifically for the
architecture and
infrastructure used by the BBC, which is not your average
LAMP setup :)
I think the problem is that getting applications into a state where
they
Does anyone know what the requirements of the rights holders are
within
this particular area?
I would love to see a list, then another legal solution may become
available.
I'm no expert on this, but if you want a start, you can find here
details of the BBC's Terms of Business with
DRM doesn't exist on my planet... but then nor does BBC TV
according to the BBC. Talk about restricting culture, it seems
at every level. I don't believe that DRM is to stop the customer
or help the original Rights owner. but it sure allows some
control factor from the distributor.
One might argue that the BBC should make their radio stations available in
as many different ways as possible, to satisfy as many users as possible:
after all, we pay for it.
The flip side is that every format you add, has some extra setup costs of
various magnitudes, and when belts have to
James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Though looking at the big screen on the wall, the vast majority of users
seem content with Windows Media (over 80% of our online listeners right
now).
Do you think those of us who aren't content should complain more?
I complain sometimes but
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On 1/26/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL
The Trust has also asked the executive to adopt a
platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer. The original
proposal for the service would have meant it was only
available to Microsoft users but the Trust's proposal will
require them to develop an alternative framework which will
allow
Hi Jeremy,
From your first link:
This requires the BBC to develop an alternative DRM framework
to
enable users of other technology, for example, Apple and Linux, to
access the on-demand services.
They do realise that this will be virtually impossible, don't
they?
And I'm sure the proposal for Linux DRM will go down well in the
FLOSS
community, as well as a lead balloon anyway. I can see the slashdot
headline already: BBC proposing DRM for Linux
Well there are pretty obvious divisions in the community. A lot of
people have recently gone on the record
I totally agree, however I think spending money developing DRM is a
waste of licence payers money because, as we seem to agree, it will be
defeated and thus ultimately pointless.
There's levels of security that DRM (and similar) provides, and as
long as that level is deemed
This is vaguely similar to something ITV is doing with ITV Local[1] -
something they spoke about at TV from the Nations Regions in Salford
a
couple of weeks ago. (Incidentally, there was a suggestion to rename
User Generated Content to Home Made instead, largely because the
latter has
It depends what you mean by failed Fairplay (Apple's DRM) is
circumvented by simply burning your tracks to CD, then ripping to MP3.
I'd count that as a failed DRM mechanism, as it's essentially useless.
If the BBC implements DRM that's as good as Fairplay, I'll be happy
(as long as they
The BBC decided not to celebrate 70 years of television
that started at Alexandra Palace in 1936 that is in 2006.
Or did I miss something?
IIRC the Heritage site was revamped and greatly extended.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/heritage/index.shtml
70 years is an odd one though - 75 seems a slightly
The purpose of being good enough to satisfy the people that
own the rights to the content - and therefore being able to
release the content in this manner.
I also forgot to say:
You implicitly elevate the people that own the rights to the content
above the public. This isn't cool.
No
It is also complete obliviousness to reality.
In fact, Steve Job's first blog post at
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/ is nicely timed for this
debate - carefully outlining why platform agnostic DRM is doomed.
Here's hoping, because if/once the music industry (who are after all,
On 09/02/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is also complete obliviousness to reality.
In fact, Steve Job's first blog post at
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/ is nicely timed for this
debate - carefully outlining why platform agnostic DRM is doomed.
Here's
Imagine if your local library imposed DRM on the books it lent you,
you'd only be able to read them in certain places with certain light
sources. Why do you accept unreasonable restrictions (even paying for
the privilege) on music that you'd never except with the written
word?
Well
Anyway, aren't Ofcom the people to complain to about this and
not the online petitions site (which, as the recent road
charging and ID card petitions has shown, doesn't appear to
influence anything anyway)?
Ofcom have stated that as and when Sky apply for a variation in their
broadcast
Richard Hyett wrote:
He raises perhaps inadvertantly the old point about why we haven't
done many good 'Situation Comedies recently and when we do why they
only run for a fairly limited series. You can't imagine Friends or
Cheers or MASH closing after two series.
But Two series and
In any case - was this really in the BBC's control - wasn't
it Ricky Gervais who didn't want to do another series ?
It was indeed.
It was also the creator of Arrested Development's decision to stop after
series 3 - I just suddenly realised that that might be a rather obscure
reference!
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To be blunt if it's served to *my* PC I have every right to do as I
wish with the content; the same as if I buy a book, I don't have to
read it all, why is it different for a website? I don't
have to read
the adverts in magazines or newspapers no one
But then, both of those methods still leave the question -
how do you pay for the unpopular, but worthy, programming?
PPV - you split the programme budget between the expected number of
viewers. As such, EastEnders being a programme with many viewers, would
cost less than a documentary on
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On 2/26/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Probably even worse. Your hurting the website even
more -
lowering the CTR [1] by registering
Sorry if this isn't the best place to ask this question, but
maybe somebody here knows - is Freesat proposing to launch a
set of channels on a different satellite, or is it just an
alternative EPG to Sky's?
The plan appears to be to just re-use what's already on the satellites,
but put
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I can't think of a workable solution
yeah, me neither. so is it ok to say to someone you can't
have what
you want because even though it's technically possible it is not
ethically possible? I don't know.
Andrew Bowden wrote:
That means they won't come to my DVD store [2]. Boo!
They might never have come though.
Pah, you just want them coming in to your online DVD rental store :)
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The claim is mostly inaccurate because it presupposes that
the friendwould otherwise have bought a copy from the DVD
store. That isoccasionally true, but more often false; and
when it is false, theclaimed loss does not occur.
As people are taking my attempt at humour seriously, I'll have
The media producers are clearly getting a free lunch here,
they can sell the same thing again and again, never having to
give up any of there own possessions but requiring others to
surrender their items in exchange.
Lord of the Rings. Three big budget films. How do you think they got
As this is the Backstage list, has anyone come up with a
widget to mash up the most ridiculous and rabid tirades from
this and other recent threads with Google maps to produce a
huge cloud of red map pins around Shoreditch?
Ooh, an archive mash-up! I like that idea :)
Years ago, before PCs and printers, if people wanted anything
copied they had to go to the local shop or library where they
could use a photocopier.
And some of them doing photocopies which breached copyright law too :)
Today, they just use their own scanners and printers to make
their
The film industry can still be financed. Yes, it may not have
as much money as it would if everyone had to pay something
every time they watched a film. But I don't have as much
money as if everyone had to pay me something every time they
read an email I wrote. The millions spent on film
It's certainly interesting as a concept, although I'm cautious on the
fact that it doesn't really take into account the speed limits on
different roads. Although I've actually no idea how you could take that
into account!
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And whilst asking, how does the Beeb choose the FROM THE
BLOGOSPHERE comments?
A journalist reads the blogosphere, and chooses something.
The whole blogosphere?
Good job :)
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That however was my problem with it - the colour coding is easy but
simplistic. A motorway going at 30 mph for me, says bad and wrong, but
under Google's colour coding, that's a yellow.
Meanwhile, (say) an road A-road [1] in a suburban area with a 30mph
would be classed as yellow even though
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On Fri, 2 Mar 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mr Highfield said the BBC would not be hunting down all
BBC-copyrighted clips already uploaded by YouTube members -
although
it would reserve the right to swap poor quality clips with the real
thing, or to have content removed that
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Might interest some people here.
http://www.youtube.com/BBC http://www.youtube.com/BBC
What can happen in editorially-driven sites like this is, when a
producer/editor wants a certain 'feature', a representative of the
design/dev team might a) say 'No! We can't do that!' then
hopefully
b) Come up with a solution / compromise which might be down to
skillsets
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I think it's amusing when I see people bemoan the use of Flash for
things that sure, can be done in AJAX etc.
I would recommend never using Flash.
By using Flash the BBC is forcing users to enter into a legal
contract with a third party, just to use the BBC's
Flash is binary code which executes directly on my CPU and
has access to all the files at my privilege level (i.e. ALL
my personal files).
Which part of this don't you understand? It is not that a
flash program on a website could be a threat, it's that the
Flash Player itself could pose
Back when I used to use Windows I had real security issues
with Real
Player. It looked an awful lot like a Trojan to me.
Most things on Windows look like trojans to me. The fact that
Real looked bad for you on windows doesn't make it bad for me
on GNU/Linux or Sol, or whatever
and here's a reason for the BBC's ogg trials ceasing (which
might not be true, I don't know, it's not an offical source)
http://lists.gllug.org.uk/pipermail/gllug/2004-January/041215.html
I remember listening to the launch day of BBC 6music via Ogg at my desk
in Bush House :)
Ah, happy
If you are concerned, maybe you should ask Real?
Tiny problem there, if I am suspecting Real's code what good
is asking them?
Well, it might make them realise that people are onto them and that they
shouldn't do it :)
The BBC website uses a few different technologies but yes,
Solaris
I suspect they were refering to http://www.parliamentlive.tv/ rather
than BBC Parliament - although it's still streamed, and in Windows Media
Player format.
http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Help/
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None of which ever used video of MPs and Lords at work. It
would be interesting to know how much (if at all) the people
behind The Daily Show (other than John Oliver) were
influenced by Not The Nine O'Clock News et al. - were they
even shown in the US?
Don't know about the original, but
Here is an example from the BBC Radio 4 Freeview service
(taken on March 28, 2006).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/loopzilla/119299174/
Putting on my official BBCi Producer hat, I /believe/ that issue should
be fixed now, and this year it /should/ work perfectly.
Everything seemed to work
Lots of boxes saying interesting things like:
56% of children in Great Britain aged 7-15 accessed
bbc.co.uk/CBBC in December 2005
Did they? They must like visiting 404 pages then ;)
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Of course, Other Subtitling Providers Are Available (er... I
think?!)
Yes. ITFC - they do ITV's subtitling apparently.
http://www.itfc.com/?pid=1
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1) the BBC stats are biased, the site is target at Windows
users and
on certain pages blocks users of other OSes
That's not my experience of it; my usual browser is Firefox
on Gentoo Linux, and I can't recall the last time I was
blocked from content on bbc.co.uk.
Ubuntu user with
Perhaps backstage.bbc.co.uk could have the streams for the
purposes of a technical trial too?
There's already been a technical trial with live streaming of BBC
channels - the Multicast trial
http://www.bbc.co.uk/multicast/
Can't have two trials doing pretty much the same thing. Would make a
It's certainly doesn't work as an argument against
misrepresenting statistics, but as they only person I know
who did double-maths-with-statistics for A-level, I guess I
am uniquely injured!
It takes a certain kind of sadist to do that. It takes another to then
take it to university
As far as I understand it, it was more a case of the BBC (and
ITV) trialing broadcasting via the multicast infrastructure -
moreso than it was a trial of consumers actually watching the
content. I was on a ja.net provider for an entire year and
not once could I actually watch the
Do you think it's a generation gap thing? Or, like that
recent article I read on DigitalSpy about the results of the
DAB quality survey, people who don't vocalise their concern
about lowering quality just don't fully understand what a
good quality stream should look / sound like?
Slightly Off Topic, as you mentioned Ubuntu ISOs, nice to see
that the BBC is not covering this on it's technology news, it
gave an awful lot of press to Vista.
The BBC News Technology section is rather more mainstream focused - it's
not The Register. And I think that's reflected in the
What is the real backstage story? I'd find it very
informative for someone to give us non-BBC-backstagers
(without violating what's left of the official secrets act)
some sort of overview of how the (impressive) Beeb backstage
infrastructure is put together.
I'm sure someone could
For those of you haven't seen it; this is a timeline of the
early (pre 2000) infrastructure history of bbc.co.uk
In Jan 89 I registered with the DDN NIC and got a Class B
address for the whole BBC on the pretext of linking all BBC
sites into one network and then the Internet (but a dream
http://www.neighbourhoodfixit.com?
Haven't seen that before but to celebrate, I've just reported a broken
lampost to my local council :)
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On Friday 25 May 2007 14:54, Jeremy Stone wrote:
not sure we can stretch that to 45 minutes I'm afraid.
No dedication some people!
You could make a 6 part 1/2 series extolling the virtues of
biscuits if you really wanted to.
You know you want to ;)
If material comes up short, I could
I was just thinking about this yesterday! It occurred to me
that 6 Music and BBC 7 probably have/had a larger non-radio
(i.e. non-wireless) audience in their first few years so
using the word radio in the station name could be misleading.
Could it be that DAB listenership is now higher
5. ...and then you spoil your reaonable arguments by going
off into
one. What you can't argue with is the fact that the BBC is
constrained by the legal requirements (copyright et al)
placed on the
content by third parties. The BBC cannot simply take a unilateral
decision to
On 12/06/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Having never written or Product Managed the writing of a
reliable DRM
system
No one has ever and no one will ever write or Product Manage
the writing of a reliable DRM system.
There can never be such a thing.
Please don't be taken
Software:
Charge for support
Charge for bespoke software
Charge for custom modifications.
Now this is a model we know works because there's a multiple of
companies in the OpenSource world. So it's a no brainer.
Music:
Charge for Live performances/concerts
Charge for physical merchandise
Musical revenues are not something I know huge amounts, but
this seems
to me to be a model which drives the musicians very very hard. To
earn money to live they have to perform - and they'll need
to do it a LOT.
But to prepare their next album, they'll need to stop performing
If copyright duration was contracting instead of expanding,
I'd be much more favourable to NC terms - but the reality is
that the public domain has got a large gap in it from the
early 1930s until the early 2000s when CC appeared, and a NC
commons is not ideal.
No, but is arguable that
The Act also states:
(5) In performing their duty under this section of furthering the
interests of consumers, OFCOM must have regard, in
particular, to the
interests of those consumers in respect of choice, price,
quality of service and value for money.
On 25/06/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Act also states:
(5) In performing their duty under this section of
furthering the
interests of consumers, OFCOM must have regard, in
particular
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On 25/06/07, Andrew Bowden
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The Act also states
You're kidding, right?
The service on Virgin isn't the iplayer, it's implemented via
Virgin's existing service that already provides BBC repeats that's been
running for a couple of years now. The same document approved the
service but it is NOT the iPlayer.
The
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On 26/06/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You're kidding, right
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[mailto:[EMAIL
* Seven-day catch-up television over cable
This is the existing Telewest-desiged cable TV STREAMING repeats
service that already exists and is in use.
Actually it's a trial. I wouldn't expect people to widely know that,
because it was never labelled as a trial.
Another example (from the same area):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artist/x9qv/ - good
http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artist/elton_john/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artist/elton_john/ - better
Okay, I can't follow that one - I guess if you had two
artists of the same name? But then I'd go
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On 7/30/07, Nico Morrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But for heavens sake BBC - put a proper forum up, not this manky
'messageboard'.
The manky messageboard
So - is there anyone there? (And if so, are they getting wet?)
What do we want?
Umberellas!
When do we want them?
Now!
(Actually right now in glorious W12, the rain seems to have ceased.)
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Well for me iPlayer will legitimise BitTorrent, as soon as it's
out of Beta, I will feel no moral obligation not to download the latest
Dr Who, or whatever (I do currently; I've never torrented a TV
programme). After all, the BBC will then be giving content away free on
demand, I'll
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