Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-12-01 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Marina, Thanks! Marina Latini wrote on 01/12/2022 10:12: I'm still struggling to understand why there was the need to trash 9 months of work for presenting a new text that sounds more like just the "abstract" of the previous document with some changes that are even bringing more

Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-12-01 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke wrote on 30/11/2022 19:56: Am 30.11.22 um 14:20 schrieb Cor Nouws: is that she read things at another location. Thus I've mentioned the minutes where I do not point at people, but reflect on the content. (Note the difference with what she describes). I quote your

Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-12-01 Thread Marina Latini
Hello Cor, hi all, during the last board call on Monday, I unsuccessfully tried to get clarifications about this new "proposal" for hiring in-house developers. I'm still struggling to understand why there was the need to trash 9 months of work for presenting a new text that sounds more like

Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-30 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Cor, hi all, Am 30.11.22 um 14:20 schrieb Cor Nouws: Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke wrote on 28/11/2022 17:19: if a community member points on the last board meeting minutes and tell you that it could not read any objective reasons (from you) why the inhouse-dev proposal 3.1 not fit the

Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-30 Thread sophi
Hi Cor, Last mail on my side Le 30/11/2022 à 15:24, Cor Nouws a écrit : Hi Sophie, sophi wrote on 30/11/2022 14:37: My reading of Sophie's mail:  >>> I was not in the board meeting, but what I read was to point at  >>> people and not to the background of the document. is that she read

Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-30 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Sophie, sophi wrote on 30/11/2022 14:37: My reading of Sophie's mail:  >>> I was not in the board meeting, but what I read was to point at  >>> people and not to the background of the document. is that she read things at another location. Thus I've mentioned the minutes where I do not

Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-30 Thread sophi
Hi, Le 30/11/2022 à 14:20, Cor Nouws a écrit : Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke wrote on 28/11/2022 17:19: if a community member points on the last board meeting minutes and tell you that it could not read any objective reasons (from you) why the inhouse-dev proposal 3.1 not fit the purpose, it is

Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-30 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke wrote on 28/11/2022 17:19: if a community member points on the last board meeting minutes and tell you that it could not read any objective reasons (from you) why the inhouse-dev proposal 3.1 not fit the purpose, it is really inappropriate and impertinent to point in

Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-30 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Emiliano, * Although we agreed to discuss the below separately, I think it is good to give some counter-balance right now as well. Emiliano Vavassori wrote on 28/11/2022 22:55: Willfully and actively excluding *just one single* legally elected director without *any whatsoever valid

Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-29 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi Emiliano, thank you for clarifying your position and for trying yet again to get some members of the board to understand that what they are doing is not only ethically wrong but very likely also against our statutes. Last night Thorsten, Cor and Gabor declared an "interest" in relation to

Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-29 Thread drodriguez
I stopped following the endless threads on this list a long time ago as I felt the annoyance of having to read the same ridiculousness over and over again. Today I decided to give it a new chance and I find this, and I recognize myself in Emiliano's words. Before coming to the BoD I had an

Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-29 Thread sophi
Hi Emiliano, Le 28/11/2022 à 22:55, Emiliano Vavassori a écrit : Hi all, Il 27/11/22 17:41, Cor Nouws ha scritto: Then, I've been busy recently, among others working on another proposal of course with great support from others. Let me clarify that I did NOT take any part on the drafting of

Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-28 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Emiliano, Emiliano Vavassori wrote on 28/11/2022 22:55: Il 27/11/22 17:41, Cor Nouws ha scritto: Let me clarify that I did NOT take any part on the drafting of such proposal, nor I do approve or support it or even part of it. I clearly wrote to the other directors involved to

Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-28 Thread Emiliano Vavassori
Hi all, Il 27/11/22 17:41, Cor Nouws ha scritto: Then, I've been busy recently, among others working on another proposal of course with great support from others. Let me clarify that I did NOT take any part on the drafting of such proposal, nor I do approve or support it or even part of it.

Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-28 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi Andreas, On 28/11/2022 17:19, Andreas Mantke wrote: Hi Cor, hi all, if a community member points on the last board meeting minutes and tell you that it could not read any objective reasons (from you) why the inhouse-dev proposal 3.1 not fit the purpose, it is really inappropriate and

Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-28 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Cor, hi all, if a community member points on the last board meeting minutes and tell you that it could not read any objective reasons (from you) why the inhouse-dev proposal 3.1 not fit the purpose, it is really inappropriate and impertinent to point in the answer only on this meeting

Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-28 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi all, On 28/11/2022 12:06, Cor Nouws wrote: Dear people, Cor Nouws wrote on 27/11/2022 17:41: I promise that will be posted soon - ultimately tomorrow - allowing us to start the process of hiring by the end of the week, I hope. In the mean time, there is a mail 'New proposal for hiring

Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-28 Thread Stephan Ficht
Hi Cor, all, Am 28.11.22 um 12:06 schrieb Cor Nouws: In the mean time, there is a mail 'New proposal for hiring in-house developers' on the list tdf-internal. Why do you go to tdf-internal after an open exchange of opinions already on the board-discuss list? It seems to me hiding away that

Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-28 Thread Cor Nouws
Dear people, Cor Nouws wrote on 27/11/2022 17:41: I promise that will be posted soon - ultimately tomorrow - allowing us to start the process of hiring by the end of the week, I hope. In the mean time, there is a mail 'New proposal for hiring in-house developers' on the list tdf-internal.

Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-27 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Sophie, Thanks for expressing your concerns on the matter. Given the situation, I can only understand that. Although I think it is not needed to expect something weird or bad to happen. Wrt my comments: see the minutes of the meeting at 2022-11-14:

Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-27 Thread sophi
Hi Cor, all, Le 27/11/2022 à 17:41, Cor Nouws a écrit : Hi all, I could not join this vote. As all that read my mails and hear my spoken contributions can know, I've always supported the idea for hiring developers. The proposal brought to vote by Paolo however, was IMO not fit for purpose -

Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-27 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi Cor, On 27/11/2022 17:41, Cor Nouws wrote: Then, I've been busy recently, among others working on another proposal of course with great support from others. odd that AFAIK there was no other proposal being worked on within the board. Who are the "others"? Why did you decide to work with