Re: Wealthy couples travel to U.S. to choose baby's sex

2006-07-22 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's another, to illustrate the point - a fertility clinic is on fire. The fire service is 20 minutes away, and can't help. On one floor, there are 100 infants. On another, is the frozen embryo storage facility, with 100 liquid

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-07-22 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I give about 40 speeches a year, in red states to Republican audiences, and I get the same enthusiastic responses from those audiences as I get from Liberal college audiences. The only difference is, is that the Republicans often

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-07-22 Thread Nick Arnett
On 7/22/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course your found it intriguing. I am sure it is a very comforting bedtime story that Democrats are smart and Republicans stupid, and that if everyone had access to the truth, then we'd all be Democrats. Aside from the fact that it wasn't

Re: Wealthy couples travel to U.S. to choose baby's sex

2006-07-22 Thread Brother John
Gary Denton wrote: Technically, 10,000 frozen embryos could be considered equal to 1,666 children considering the success rate of implantation. You could make a case to rescue those instead of a hundred infants but in nearly all foreseeable circumstance I wouldn't. I don't consider frozen

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-07-22 Thread Doug Pensinger
JDG wrote: Of course your found it intriguing. I am sure it is a very comforting bedtime story that Democrats are smart and Republicans stupid, and that if everyone had access to the truth, then we'd all be Democrats. I don't think its a matter of smart or stupid as much as a tendency to

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-07-22 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan wrote: ionary.. RFK Jr's statement didn't adress this at all. I'd argue that both Democrats and Republicans give half truths that favor their position. It's not that RFK Jr. is a champion of truth against those lying Republicans. Have you looked at the poll RFK refered to?

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-07-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Have you looked at the poll RFK refered to? [http://astro.berkeley.edu/~aleroy/Report10_21_04.pdf] That link is broken, but I've seen polls that indicate that sort of denial of facts by Republicans. I also have seen it by Democrats. All it indicates to me is that it is not unusual for folks

Re: Wealthy couples travel to U.S. to choose baby's sex

2006-07-22 Thread Gary Denton
On 7/22/06, Brother John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Denton wrote: Technically, 10,000 frozen embryos could be considered equal to 1,666 children considering the success rate of implantation. You could make a case to rescue those instead of a hundred infants but in nearly all foreseeable

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-07-22 Thread William T Goodall
On 22 Jul 2006, at 7:27PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you looked at the poll RFK refered to? [http://astro.berkeley.edu/~aleroy/Report10_21_04.pdf] That link is broken, but I've seen polls that indicate that sort of denial of facts by Republicans. I also have seen it by Democrats.

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-07-22 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan wrote: Have you looked at the poll RFK refered to? [http://astro.berkeley.edu/~aleroy/Report10_21_04.pdf] That link is broken, Try this. http://zzpat.tripod.com/cvb/pipa.html but I've seen polls that indicate that sort of denial of facts by Republicans. I also have seen it by

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-07-22 Thread The Fool
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] difficult for non-citizens to vote. One example that I just read was the opposition to a picture ID voting card, which requires proof of citizenship to vote. Requiring citizens to get an ID card from one single statewide office that is never open, to be able to

Re: Wealthy couples travel to U.S. to choose baby's sex

2006-07-22 Thread John W Redelfs
On 7/22/06, Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can say it's not human if you like, but genetically you are just wrong. It is distinctly human and not of any other living species. Furthermore, it is alive. If it were not, there would be no need to kill it. --JWR It is not a

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-07-22 Thread John W Redelfs
On 7/22/06, The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] difficult for non-citizens to vote. One example that I just read was the opposition to a picture ID voting card, which requires proof of citizenship to vote. Requiring citizens to get an ID card from one single

Re: Wealthy couples travel to U.S. to choose baby's sex

2006-07-22 Thread Charlie Bell
On 22/07/2006, at 8:14 PM, Brother John wrote: Now, I don't think it's wrong to say that human life starts at conception, but I just think it's meaningless, as a zygote isn't actually any more human than an ovum - it's still a single cell. Sure, it's been given the infusion of extra DNA and

Re: Wealthy couples travel to U.S. to choose baby's sex

2006-07-22 Thread Charlie Bell
On 23/07/2006, at 12:07 AM, jdiebremse wrote: This is, of course, an absurd hypothetical, sort of like the questions we used to ask as a kid - would you rather slide down a set of razors into a pool of rubbing alcohol or be burned alive? Maybe so. Anyhow, if one changes the example such

Re: RFK Jr. interview

2006-07-22 Thread Charlie Bell
On 23/07/2006, at 2:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RFK Jr's statement didn't adress this at all. I'd argue that both Democrats and Republicans give half truths that favor their position. It's not that RFK Jr. is a champion of truth against those lying Republicans. He certainly isn't.