:21 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
I would think any competent UI person would consider usability an
inherent business requirement. So obviously, if the UI feels slow or
klunky to the user than it isn't really usable. However, that doesn't
mean
Sean A Corfield wrote:
Ah, yes, I realize that now. The multicast stuff he's talking about is
pretty hardware specific... No, I wouldn't expect FlashCom to handle that
per se (but it's very bandwidth-efficient when broadcasting video...).
Not really hardware specific, it is just a part of
You can use external editors to edit your actionscript code, and then
include it via the include directive:
#include mycode.as
personally, i use EditPlus for most of my ActionScript code development.
It has color coding syntax variable.
I have also been using Dreamweaver MX more and more
, there are ways we can improve the
learning curve. i am always open to any suggestions.
mike chambers
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From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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From: Nathaniel Horwitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
I'm assuming in the future when everyone has DSL or Cable.
Flash is a viable
client side application you
Quoting Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
do you have any suggestions for improving the code editing
environment
within Flash MX, or would you prefer tighter integration with
external
editors?
mike chambers
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I'd REALLY like to see integration within the
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From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 9:24 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
You can use external editors to edit your actionscript code, and then
include it via the include directive:
#include
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Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:30 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
Quoting Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
do you have any suggestions for improving the code editing
environment
within Flash
Quoting Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Dreaweaver does have the following ActionScript support:
1. code hinting
2. color coding
plus there is an extensions that brings the ActionScript reference
panel
into DWMX.
are you look for something tighter than that?
Well, it'll be nice
however, having said that, yes, there are ways we can improve the
learning curve. i am always open to any suggestions.
I think better documentation would definitely help. I think that's one area
taht MACR has always lagged behind in. The Flash documentation doesn't help
much beyond what I
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Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 9:44 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
Dreaweaver does have the following ActionScript support:
1. code hinting
2. color coding
plus there is an extensions that brings the ActionScript reference panel
into DWMX
12:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
You can use external editors to edit your actionscript code, and then
include it via the include directive:
#include mycode.as
personally, i use EditPlus for most of my ActionScript code development.
It has
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From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
I think that Flash components addresses this issue to an extent.
For example, at Flash forward, we built a simple
Cool I didn't know that...now all we need are some performance tweaks and
I'll be raring to go. :)
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From: Wille, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:39 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
Negative. A GOOD Flash
: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
sorry - don't want to start a bicker - but on this one -I personally
wouldn't higher a flash developer that could not design a UI that
meets
business requirements while being
: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 04:59 , Matt Liotta wrote:
MM has proposed doing away
with html entirely for a Flash front-end. In those cases I don't see
the
bandwidth reduction
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Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 05:36 , Matt Liotta wrote:
That is absolutely not true. A good Flash developer will create a UI
On Friday, August 2, 2002, at 12:17 , Matt Liotta wrote:
If the business requirements do not include performance or bandwidth
considerations than they shouldn't be an issue.
If the business requirements do not include performance or bandwidth
considerations then someone (the business analyst
A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 04:59 , Matt Liotta wrote:
MM has proposed doing away
with html entirely for a Flash front-end
, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 5:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash
agenda?
And you are making assumptions as well here. A *GOOD* Flash
developer
would design the Flash
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On Friday, August 2, 2002, at 12:17 , Matt Liotta wrote:
If the business requirements do not include performance or bandwidth
considerations than
I would think any competent UI person would consider usability an
inherent business requirement. So obviously, if the UI feels slow or
klunky to the user than it isn't really usable. However, that doesn't
mean that performance and bandwidth are a consideration. This thread
started out
I think I fail to understand your point still. Can you give a
concrete
example? So far you've only given generalizations. Can you
elaborate?
For
example, how was the first Flash movie made to use less bandwidth?
When
it
comes to Flash, it's difficult to decrease the amount of
skinny it down.
Dan
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Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
I would think any competent UI person would consider usability an
inherent
On Friday, August 2, 2002, at 02:37 PM, Matt Liotta wrote:
I think there is a certain threshold where they simply do not matter.
For example, as long as it is fast enough I don't care if I can make it
faster.
Like the old story:
An engineer is placed on one side of a room and an
When you change the topic of conversation of a thread, please change the subject line
as well. This will help people know what's going on. This will also help them read the
archives as this thread is already over 100 posts long (not a record, but we're not
shooting for one).
Please remember
I think Flash Remoting has some pretty powerful advantages, but... I don't
think they have pushing Flash anymore than they already have been for
years. I think people will slowly start to come out with some powerful
Flash Remoting (aka Rich Clients) that will blow away some of the regular
I'm assuming in the future when everyone has DSL or Cable. Flash is a viable
client side application you can push to your clients since it works well
with dynamic languages such as ColdFusion.
Nathaniel
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From: Bonnie E. Betts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday,
oi Bonnie!!
I don't think the push is to be over and above coldfusion.but to
compliment it. It seems their biggest push is to get away from the
skip intro stereotype of flash, but to show it can be used for web
application..with a pretty front end.
-
Critz
Macromedia
I'll admit I'm pretty much a brain washed MM Partner, but I'd say
they're pushing Flash for a number of reasons.
1) You can build a full web application with it now via Flash Remoting.
VERY easily I might add.
2) It isn't just for movies and intros, BUT the public still thinks it
is, we as
Is it me, or has anyone else noticed there's a REALLY strong
push for Flash lately at all the CFUGs and conferences?? Is
there any particular reason for this?
Sure. MM sells CF, MM sells Flash, MM would like more money!
On a more serious note, though, I think that MM's strategy is to push
To me it's not a matter of selling them ColdFusion or selling them
Flash. You sell them an application. Whether it uses HTML or Flash as
the interface is a detail. Our company is about to rebuild a CMS, and
we'll be switching from dHTML to Flash for the trickier parts of the
interface (e.g. drag
Macromedia's push for Flash is not about over and above CF development.
It's about separating application functionality from content display. This is win-win
for both the website visitor and your business clients:
A number of companies have already saved tons of money in bandwidth cost - I
in a business
application?
Bonnie E. Betts
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Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:21 PM
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
I'll admit
Also, features like Flash Remoting allow a much more robust client-side
tier of an application.
I certainly am no expert, but understand that an intelligent Flash
client can dynamically generate and invoke SQL requests and Web services
with much of the logic at the client and efficient,
My only issue with the Rich Client thing is... well... there's only one
branden hall in the world and Mr. Watts, I'm sure you're doing a good job
keeping him busy. Seriously, to truly be a good developer into Flash
Remoting, I think we'd have to have that much knowledge, because as it
1) You can build a full web application with it now via Flash
Remoting.
VERY easily I might add.
Easily as compared to what? Certainly not as compared to just HTML and
CFML.
3) Server load, if you build an application with Flash, the amount of
data that needs to be pushed back and forth
)
Bonnie E. Betts
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Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
To me it's
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From: Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:35 PM
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
My only issue with the Rich Client thing is... well... there's only
it's sour grapes on my part because I'm tired of saying I
don't do graphics! :)
Dan
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From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:36 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
My only issue with the Rich
Anyone have any links for sample sites using Flash in a
business application?
I remember Dave Watts posting a message with a link to an org-chart that was
done in Flash in response to a post about org-charts built on CF... Though
when I looked at it, I must admit, I found it very confusing ...
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From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
1) You can build a full web application with it now via Flash
Remoting.
VERY easily I might add
Well there is a vacuum right now in this particular space. Java
applets have fallen into disfavor as a rich client platform. ActiveX
has always had negatives, and is being replaced with .Net ever so
slowly. So if there ever was a time to push Flash the time is now I
guess.
Reasons to sell Flash?
.
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From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:36 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
My only issue
Compared to Flash 5.
Well that doesn't have very much appeal for ColdFusion people without
Flash experience.
Etrade has a stock quote component on their home page. People would
put
the quote in, reload the whole page to get the data. They changed it
to
a Flash piece, only that changed.
of managing the process.
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From: Bonnie E. Betts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, 2 August 2002 2:48 p.m.
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Subject: Re: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
Here we go this is a little of what I'm looking for:
we'll
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Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
Here we go this is a little of what I'm looking for:
we'll be switching from dHTML to Flash for the trickier parts of the
interface (e.g
http://www.siteobjects.com is a fantastic example: take
a close look at their new logo. :)
Isaac Dealey
(remembering an old IBM commercial)
At least it doesn't have flames shooting out the top of it... Then again,
http://www.thrave.com/ looks cool. =P
~Todd
Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL
That's my point... Flash developers. I'm talking about the need for Flash
/ CFMX developers to be _1_ person. It will take time for this to happen,
it's not going to happen overnight. I still think it's important to have
people that are GREAT in CFMX and then other people that are GREAT in
://isitedesign.com
**
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From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 5:00 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
Compared to Flash 5
That is just one example. While I am sure you or others can think of
other examples like that one -- I certainly can -- the example is just
using a Flash piece embedded in an html page. MM has proposed doing
away
with html entirely for a Flash front-end. In those cases I don't see
the
That's my point... Flash developers. I'm talking about the
need for Flash
/ CFMX developers to be _1_ person. It will take time for
this to happen,
I don't think this has to happen at all. I can create the CFCs the flash
needs, and the Flash developer can take it from there...
: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
That's my point... Flash developers. I'm talking about the need for
Flash
/ CFMX developers to be _1_ person. It will take time for this to
happen,
it's not going to happen overnight. I still think it's important to
have
people
: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
That's my point... Flash developers. I'm talking about the need for Flash
/ CFMX developers to be _1_ person. It will take time for this to happen,
it's not going to happen overnight. I still think it's important to have
people
At 12:18 PM 8/2/2002 +1200, you wrote:
That's my point... Flash developers. I'm talking about the
need for Flash
/ CFMX developers to be _1_ person. It will take time for
this to happen,
I don't think this has to happen at all. I can create the CFCs the flash
needs, and the Flash
The way of the future? I remember seeing my first image on a web
page on yahoo ages ago...must have been 94-95. Seven years later we
just have a bunch more pictures on the web page, and the most
successful web site in existence right now still has just one.
I'd love to play with Flash...it's a
If your whole site is in Flash it loads once. The Flash movie is
equal
to one or two rich HTML pages in size. Perform more than two
functions
on your site and you're then passing less data than you would via
HTML.
That's the simplified version of how it works. I doubt Talkers really
cares
Well correct me if I'm wrong Matt, but if you first preload a flash
movie (in this case, the entire UI) and then with each navigation
click
you simply request the raw data from within the Flash movie, wouldn't
it
make sense that the bandwidth needs would be less than a non
Flash-based
site?
5:26 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
If your whole site is in Flash it loads once. The Flash movie is
equal
to one or two rich HTML pages in size. Perform more than two
functions
on your site and you're then passing less data than you would
True, but a well rounded person would know the in's and out's of
both...
achieving that Guru status has it's merits you know...
That is only true for some languages. I have obtained proficiency and
mastery in more languages than most and I doubt I will ever be a
proficient Flash developer.
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Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 5:26 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
If your whole site is in Flash it loads once. The Flash movie is
equal
to one or two rich HTML pages in size. Perform more than two
functions
on your site and you're
Matt
Are you telling me you won't be a flash guru anytime soon? :-P Just poking
fun... I baited that email pretty well I see. :-)
~Todd
At 05:31 PM 8/1/2002 -0700, you wrote:
True, but a well rounded person would know the in's and out's of
both...
achieving that Guru status has it's
Etrade has a stock quote component on their home page. People would
put the quote
in, reload the whole page to get the data. They changed it to a Flash
piece, only
that changed. Saved around $400 million for them in bandwidth
charges.
In the Macromedia seminar I attended last week, Mike
C'mon Tom! $4 million, $400 million, what's the difference. ;-)
More money than we'll see in a lifetime. ;-)
Just teasing,
~Todd
At 07:48 PM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Etrade has a stock quote component on their home page. People would
put the quote
in, reload the whole page to get the
://isitedesign.com
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From: Tom Nunamaker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 5:49 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
Etrade has
game, drink $1 beers, go home and pass out.
Cheers,
t
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From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 5:26 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
If your whole site is in Flash it loads once
Fitch, Tyler wrote:
Etrade has a stock quote component on their home page. People would put
the quote in, reload the whole page to get the data. They changed it to
a Flash piece, only that changed. Saved around $400 million for them in
bandwidth charges.
What did XMLHTTP do again?
for it' good uses of flash
-paris
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From: Tom Nunamaker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:49 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
Etrade has a stock quote component on their home page. People
projects.
That's not to say I'm not using it now...but not nearly to the level as I'd
like to...
Stace
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From: Fitch, Tyler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:02 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda
Fitch, Tyler wrote:
Imagine a e-commerce site in Flash and in HTML.
A user comes in and compares multiple products, over and over again
because they can't make up their mind and because they don't care about
how much data they take in.
In Flash, with every product page load the Flash
On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 06:14 , Jochem van Dieten wrote:
Not necessarily. Multicast could very well be the real bandwidth saver
here (and Flash doesn't support it).
Read about the FlashCom Server:
http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashcom/
If you're not annoying somebody,
Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
Fitch, Tyler wrote:
Imagine a e-commerce site in Flash and in HTML.
A user comes in and compares multiple products, over and over again
because
Not necessarily. Multicast could very well be the real bandwidth saver
here (and Flash doesn't support it).
Jochem
Correct me if I'm wrong, but ... isn't multicast = Flash Communication Server?
~Todd
__
Your ad could be here.
Sean A Corfield wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 06:14 , Jochem van Dieten wrote:
Not necessarily. Multicast could very well be the real bandwidth saver
here (and Flash doesn't support it).
Read about the FlashCom Server:
http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashcom/
I tried
Try to sell the clients on the costs of developing the flash.
If you count up the hours. Flash is NOT cheap.
If you count up the hours maintaining flash... It is REALLY not cheap.
My .02 from experience.
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From: Bonnie E. Betts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:
: Wille, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 5:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
And you are making assumptions as well here. A *GOOD* Flash developer
would design
At 03:31 AM 8/2/2002 +0200, you wrote:
Sean A Corfield wrote:
Read about the FlashCom Server:
http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashcom/
I tried the following:
http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-a=sp1001395bsp-p=anysp-q=multicast
Please enlighten me.
Jochem
Just follow that Link
... The average CD Rom
development costs what these days?
-paris
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From: Chad Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
Try to sell the clients on the costs
Forgive me if I am wrong, but multicast seems like it wouldn't work on
the internet at large. The server still has to send the packets
somewhere. If the server sends one stream to the broadcast address of
my subnet, my cable or dsl subnet is going to be flooded by the traffic.
I definitely can
?
-paris
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From: Chad Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
Try
down.
Douglas Brown
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From: Paris Lundis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:43 PM
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
cost of development alone may be the biggest
That's my point... Flash developers. I'm talking about the
need for Flash / CFMX developers to be _1_ person.
This isn't necessary. I'm probably never going to be proficient with Flash,
but I can work with a Flash developer right now to build the back-end for a
Flash front-end. And this
Todd wrote:
Not necessarily. Multicast could very well be the real bandwidth saver
here (and Flash doesn't support it).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but ... isn't multicast = Flash Communication Server?
Multicast is a protocol that allows a server to send out 1 stream to
many recipients at the
flash:option#city#
/cfloop
/ flash:select
It's getting late, I'm talking crazy...
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From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
cost of development
it would
take someone with flair for design.
Douglas Brown
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From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:00 PM
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
That's my
point well said is that why even use Flash any number of
solutions via Javascript or other stuff via DHTML...
Because, as hard as Flash may be, equivalent DHTML may be much harder - or
not possible at all. Try writing a cross-browser drag-and-drop DHTML
interface, for example.
... it
I sort of find it amusing sometimes everyone always referring to yahoo
as the most succesful site while not meriting it's gargantous marketing
budget and first to market appeal. I think it is a bit skewed when
people reference it as the most used simply for lack of graphics.
Although it may
should be a little more developer friendly.
Douglas Brown
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From: Stacy Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:59 PM
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
I've
Todd wrote:
At 03:31 AM 8/2/2002 +0200, you wrote:
Sean A Corfield wrote:
Read about the FlashCom Server:
http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashcom/
I tried the following:
http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-a=sp1001395bsp-p=anysp-q=multicast
Please enlighten me.
Just follow that
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:00 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
That's my point... Flash developers. I'm talking about the
need for Flash / CFMX developers to be _1_ person
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
And you are making assumptions as well here. A *GOOD* Flash developer
would design the Flash interface to be lightweight, preload once (or
as
minimal as possible), and minimize the size of his/her Flash movies.
No
different
development... The average CD Rom
development costs what these days?
-paris
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From: Chad Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
Try to sell the clients
: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:00 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
I've been wondering lately about the cost of development for
Flash...what if there was an alternate way to develop the flash
interface using pre-made components? (above and beyond what
]
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
point well said is that why even use Flash any number of
solutions via Javascript or other stuff via DHTML
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda?
You forgot.. Your client wants that dancing monkey to crawl across the
screen, pick up the bannanna, and eat it.
Code that in loops. :-)
Oh.. And next month the dancing monkey has to be a fish that eats a
worm.
-Original
Jon Hall wrote:
Forgive me if I am wrong, but multicast seems like it wouldn't work on
the internet at large. The server still has to send the packets
somewhere. If the server sends one stream to the broadcast address of
my subnet, my cable or dsl subnet is going to be flooded by the traffic.
yeah sounds like your client better be the king of the apes to afford that
much change in Flash :)
-p
-Original Message-
From: Chad Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:03 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Does Macromedia have some current strong Flash agenda
it seems creative and analytical/math/programmatic mindsets
are a bit at odds and seldom in the same package...
I think you're making a mistake in your division, there, though. I'm not
especially good with math, myself, but the better Flash programmers tend to
be - moving things about the
You are making assumptions. Flash gives you the ability to
do things you couldn't do before in html, which could
required higher bandwidth than the equivalent application
using html. While the extra bandwidth may be worth it for
a better experience, the extra bandwidth is still there.
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