Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
Any reason why you didn't send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] david - Original Message - From: Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@apache.org Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:07 PM Subject: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, who must I send this to if I want something to be put on the announcement list? This lingered for a week and then got returned by the mailing list program. :-( Regards Henning - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: From editor of ... (Re: Newsletter.)
3. Apache Newsletter is one of the News from the ASF material, which people who do not have much time to read all the websites in the Apache.org have been eager to get in the past, so it fit to the original usage of [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list and I will publish this newsletter to this mailing list. Please clarify you mean you will post an announcement giving details of the existance of the newsletter and details of where it may be viewed to announce@ as posting the entire newletter to the list doesn't fit well with it's stated purpose. david - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
EU Software Patents
Hi, Some of you may already be aware that on 1st September the European parliament will vote [1] on the issue of software patents. This is something that will directly affect all ASF projects, despite the care that we take in guaranteeing copyright of contributed code. Approved patents are not made public for 18 months, so there's no way we can know in advance what code will infringe patents. This is not the only reason patents are bad. This letter [2] to MEPs explains more. In protest against the directive, an online demo [3] is being co-ordinated, proposing that web sites shut [4] on 27th August. Obviously, the more sites that shut, the more impact it will have. I'd like to propose that we close (ie swap the front page for a protest page) as many of the Apache web sites as possible. Obviously, if we could get a mass turnout of ASF people to the demo in Brussels [5], that would be even better! [1] http://swpat.ffii.org/news/03/plen0620/index.en.html [2] http://www.compsoc.com/~coriordan/docs/dear_mep/dear_mep.html [3] http://swpat.ffii.org/group/demo/index.en.html [4] http://swpat.ffii.org/group/demo/demo.en.html [5] http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/32457.html Thanks for listening, Andrew. -- Andrew SavoryEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Managing Director Tel: +44 (0)870 741 6658 Luminas Internet Applications Fax: +44 (0)700 598 1135 Orixo alliance: http://www.orixo.com/ Web:www.luminas.co.uk - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:36, David Reid wrote: Any reason why you didn't send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Because I looked at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#Announcement and got the intention that announcements@jakarta.apache.org is the right address for jakarta announcements. I did BTW sent it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject [NEWS], too as suggested on http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html but it got lost there, too. Regards Henning david - Original Message - From: Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@apache.org Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:07 PM Subject: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, who must I send this to if I want something to be put on the announcement list? This lingered for a week and then got returned by the mailing list program. :-( Regards Henning - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon! -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated through your announcement... If you wish to stick to using the jakarta address them I don't mind and it may reach more of your intended audience - just curious :) david - Original Message - From: Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@apache.org Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:36, David Reid wrote: Any reason why you didn't send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Because I looked at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#Announcement and got the intention that announcements@jakarta.apache.org is the right address for jakarta announcements. I did BTW sent it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject [NEWS], too as suggested on http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html but it got lost there, too. Regards Henning david - Original Message - From: Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@apache.org Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:07 PM Subject: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, who must I send this to if I want something to be put on the announcement list? This lingered for a week and then got returned by the mailing list program. :-( Regards Henning - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon! -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
As I said, I was just looking on the web pages. Maybe we should update them. Regards Henning On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 12:26, David Reid wrote: As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated through your announcement... If you wish to stick to using the jakarta address them I don't mind and it may reach more of your intended audience - just curious :) david - Original Message - From: Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@apache.org Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:36, David Reid wrote: Any reason why you didn't send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Because I looked at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#Announcement and got the intention that announcements@jakarta.apache.org is the right address for jakarta announcements. I did BTW sent it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject [NEWS], too as suggested on http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html but it got lost there, too. Regards Henning david - Original Message - From: Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@apache.org Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:07 PM Subject: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, who must I send this to if I want something to be put on the announcement list? This lingered for a week and then got returned by the mailing list program. :-( Regards Henning - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon! -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon! -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
David Reid wrote: As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated through your announcement... unless something has been changed, only mail originating from an @apache.org address will even reach the announce@apache.org moderation queue. all other sources will get silently dropped. an anti-spam measure. -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ Millennium hand and shrimp! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 07:53:50 -0400 Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Reid wrote: As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated through your announcement... unless something has been changed, only mail originating from an @apache.org address will even reach the announce@apache.org moderation queue. all other sources will get silently dropped. an anti-spam measure. Humhum. I got it! bin/ezmlm-filter-from-apache.. right? It only checks the From: header line, however, it would be effective to reject most of the spam mails as you said. -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
* Tetsuya Kitahata ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : Wait, wait. If I remember correctly, Brian modified the settings of each announce(ments)@tlp.apache.org mailing lists to forward to announce@apache.org automatically... Right!? wrong. -Thom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
And a very sensible one at that! :) david - Original Message - From: Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@apache.org Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Reid wrote: As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated through your announcement... unless something has been changed, only mail originating from an @apache.org address will even reach the announce@apache.org moderation queue. all other sources will get silently dropped. an anti-spam measure. -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ Millennium hand and shrimp! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: From editor of ... (Re: Newsletter.)
At 03:39 AM 8/26/2003, David Reid wrote: 3. Apache Newsletter is one of the News from the ASF material, which people who do not have much time to read all the websites in the Apache.org have been eager to get in the past, so it fit to the original usage of [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list and I will publish this newsletter to this mailing list. Please clarify you mean you will post an announcement giving details of the existance of the newsletter and details of where it may be viewed to announce@ as posting the entire newletter to the list doesn't fit well with it's stated purpose. Providing the table of contents (with or without a one sentence intro) is consistent with these sorts of newsletter distributions, and I would like to see at least a list of those contents go out in the announce. It's the difference between a 3kb mail and a 5kb mail - nothing significant traffic wise. But it will probably make a noticeable difference, readership wise. Bill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
Which should be documented somewhere (or I was too blind to see it). Regards Henning On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 14:00, David Reid wrote: And a very sensible one at that! :) david - Original Message - From: Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@apache.org Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Reid wrote: As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated through your announcement... unless something has been changed, only mail originating from an @apache.org address will even reach the announce@apache.org moderation queue. all other sources will get silently dropped. an anti-spam measure. -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ Millennium hand and shrimp! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- Geschaeftsfuehrer INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Schwabachgrund 22 Fon.: 09131 / 50654-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] D-91054 Buckenhof Fax.: 09131 / 50654-20 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
Hi, now I know a reason: --- cut --- Hi. This is the qmail-send program at apache.org. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. announce@apache.org: Must be sent from an @apache.org address. --- cut --- This isn't nice. :-( Regards Henning On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 12:26, David Reid wrote: As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated through your announcement... If you wish to stick to using the jakarta address them I don't mind and it may reach more of your intended audience - just curious :) david - Original Message - From: Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@apache.org Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:36, David Reid wrote: Any reason why you didn't send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Because I looked at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#Announcement and got the intention that announcements@jakarta.apache.org is the right address for jakarta announcements. I did BTW sent it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject [NEWS], too as suggested on http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html but it got lost there, too. Regards Henning david - Original Message - From: Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@apache.org Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:07 PM Subject: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd: Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, who must I send this to if I want something to be put on the announcement list? This lingered for a week and then got returned by the mailing list program. :-( Regards Henning - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Dominate!! Dominate!! Eat your young and aggregate! I have grotty silicon! -- AOL CD when played backwards (User Friendly - 200-10-15) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- Geschaeftsfuehrer INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Schwabachgrund 22 Fon.: 09131 / 50654-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] D-91054 Buckenhof Fax.: 09131 / 50654-20 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: EU Software Patents
--On Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:09:14 +0100 Andrew Savory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to propose that we close (ie swap the front page for a protest page) as many of the Apache web sites as possible. Not to belittle this protest, but we do a good job of bringing our own sites down ourselves (or UnitedLayer does). If we were to do this, IMHO, it'd be at the board's direction - no one else has the authority to do this. If you want to provide a page that we could replace it with, that may make it easier to receive approval. -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: Hi, now I know a reason: --- cut --- Hi. This is the qmail-send program at apache.org. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. announce@apache.org: Must be sent from an @apache.org address. --- cut --- This isn't nice. :-( henning, that's a judgement made from too little information. if you were responsible for assessing hundreds of daily messages to that address to see which should be moderated, you would most likely have a different opinion. changing your return address to an @apache.org one long enough to send a message is a lot less strenuous for the community than allowing postings to it from just anywhere and imposing the additional burden on the moderators. who are volunteers, by the way. and now that this has been discussed on a publicly archived list, it will probably have to made even more stringent, such as requiring the mail be sent from your account on one of the asf machines or something. -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ Millennium hand and shrimp! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: EU Software Patents
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: I'd like to propose that we close (ie swap the front page for a protest page) as many of the Apache web sites as possible. Not to belittle this protest, but we do a good job of bringing our own sites down ourselves (or UnitedLayer does). If we were to do this, IMHO, it'd be at the board's direction - no one else has the authority to do this. If you want to provide a page that we could replace it with, that may make it easier to receive approval. There is an almost standard page at http://swpat.ffii.org/group/demo/demo.en.html, so it would just be a matter of downloading and setting an .htaccess rule. But I understand that it might be pretty late to organize all this with such a short notice. Too bad, it's quite an important issue here. Ciao, -- Gianugo Rabellino Pro-netics s.r.l. - http://www.pro-netics.com Orixo, the XML business alliance - http://www.orixo.com (Now blogging at: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/gianugo/) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: EU Software Patents
If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. d. -Original Message- From: Justin Erenkrantz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 August 2003 18:07 To: community@apache.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: EU Software Patents --On Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:09:14 +0100 Andrew Savory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to propose that we close (ie swap the front page for a protest page) as many of the Apache web sites as possible. Not to belittle this protest, but we do a good job of bringing our own sites down ourselves (or UnitedLayer does). If we were to do this, IMHO, it'd be at the board's direction - no one else has the authority to do this. If you want to provide a page that we could replace it with, that may make it easier to receive approval. -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: EU Software Patents
* Danny Angus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. ditto and ditto. -Thom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: EU Software Patents
According to Danny Angus: If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. +1! ciao... -- Lars Eilebrecht - Beat me, whip me, make me use Windows! [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: EU Software Patents
* Thom May wrote: * Danny Angus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. ditto and ditto. +1. nd - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: If I remember correctly, Brian modified the settings of each announce(ments)@tlp.apache.org mailing lists to forward to announce@apache.org automatically... Right!? Nope, in fact I was arguing against it, unless someone crafts a message to let the subscribers of announce@apache.org be aware of such a configuration, so they can decide which list to subscribe to. But even then, ezmlm does not like having one mailing list send to another (as an anti-mail-loop mechanism). Brian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: EU Software Patents
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Danny Angus wrote: If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. +1 for me -- Giacomo Pati Otego AG, Switzerland - http://www.otego.com Orixo, the XML business alliance - http://www.orixo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]
If I remember correctly, Brian modified the settings of each announce(ments)@tlp.apache.org mailing lists to forward to announce@apache.org automatically... Right!? It was discussed, but I don't believe that it was effected. Brian had some concerns. See the community@ archives. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: EU Software Patents
Danny Angus wrote: If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. Same for both here, if it wasn't clear enough already. :-) -- Gianugo Rabellino Pro-netics s.r.l. - http://www.pro-netics.com Orixo, the XML business alliance - http://www.orixo.com (Now blogging at: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/gianugo/) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: EU Software Patents
--On Tuesday, August 26, 2003 19:18:38 +0200 Gianugo Rabellino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is an almost standard page at http://swpat.ffii.org/group/demo/demo.en.html, so it would just be a matter of downloading and setting an .htaccess rule. But I understand that it might be pretty late to organize all this with such a short notice. Too bad, it's quite an important issue here. If someone (since there seems to be a lot of people +1'ing it) can come up with a *suitable* page for us to post, if we get a go-ahead from the board, then I'll post it (at least on www). I'd like to see a page contain: - the ASF logo so that this is obvious this is our official position - a description of the situation and what we want to see happen - links to the 'main' protest site - a passthrough to the real index page (taking the entire site off-line seems a tad excessive, but a link at the bottom of the page to the 'real' index page is okay with me). I'm not as pessimistic that we can get approval in time. ;-) But, someone needs to take charge of creating the content. Any takers? -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: EU Software Patents
If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. +1 Sander - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: EU Software Patents
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: If someone (since there seems to be a lot of people +1'ing it) can come up with a *suitable* page for us to post, if we get a go-ahead from the board, then I'll post it (at least on www). I'd like to see a page contain: - the ASF logo so that this is obvious this is our official position - a description of the situation and what we want to see happen - links to the 'main' protest site - a passthrough to the real index page (taking the entire site off-line seems a tad excessive, but a link at the bottom of the page to the 'real' index page is okay with me). I'm not as pessimistic that we can get approval in time. ;-) But, someone needs to take charge of creating the content. Any takers? I'm willing to tackle this. The only real problem is content: I can make up a description of what's going on in Europe, but problem is coming up with a text that expresses the opinion of the ASF (what do we really want to see happen? I know for myself, I don't want this law to be approved, but is that an ASF position?). I'm not entitled to speak on the ASF name, but I can try to make up something objective for the board to approve. How can we go forward with it? Ciao, -- Gianugo Rabellino Pro-netics s.r.l. - http://www.pro-netics.com Orixo, the XML business alliance - http://www.orixo.com (Now blogging at: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/gianugo/) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: EU Software Patents
On 26/08/2003, at 07:44, Danny Angus wrote: If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. d. +1 and +1! just FYI: the ISOC members are currently discussing the same issues but it's probably also too late for them to get something official out of the door. Given the fact that ISOC is backed by an enormous amount of big players (M$, IBM, HP, Cisco, ...) and also software patent holders (mostly IETF folks), I find it really surprising to see a big part of them against software patents... and finally another bit of thought food: Bruce Perens speaks on software patents... http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/08/07/1453252mode=threadtid=19 In any case, I'd like to advise everyone to state your opposition by just writing to your Representative/Member of EU Parliament: see http://wwwdb.europarl.eu.int/ep5/owa/ p_meps2.repartition?ilg=ENiorig=home for their mail and postal addresses. Cheers, Erik - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: EU Software Patents
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Danny Angus wrote: If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. Ditto here: Apache standing up against SW patents might show the industry they can't play nice with open source over here, while paying the lobbyists to defend patents with the gouvernment (which is what happens here in Brussels, EU 'capital'). /Steven - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft proposal for EU patents protest
Gianugo Rabellino wrote: Anyway, just in case the board gives the green light, attached is the (text corrected, thanks!) HTML page. It might need tweaks at the refresh meta and last link to adjust it to the correct index page. The img absolute link is on purpose, in case others want to apply this page to their TLP sites too. The same page is available, to save an scp, at http://cvs.apache.org/~gianugo/apache-protest.html. Sorry for attaching it, when I realized that uploading to the ASF server was a better solution it was just too late. :-) Ciao, -- Gianugo Rabellino Pro-netics s.r.l. - http://www.pro-netics.com Orixo, the XML business alliance - http://www.orixo.com (Now blogging at: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/gianugo/) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Draft proposal for EU patents protest
From: Gianugo Rabellino [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:47 PM Andrew Savory wrote: http://petition.eurolinux.org. You will be redirected automatically to this site homepage in 60 seconds (or you can reach it directly by clicking a href=...here/a). also: a href=...Continue to the ASF home page./a ? Well, this was actually thought out for more than just www.apache.org, in case other PMC (with the approval of the Board, I assume) decide to shut their TLP sites too (there is an ongoing proposal on the Cocoon PMC and I'll send one to the XML PMC in minutes). Was yours meant as an addition or as a modification? Anyway, just in case the board gives the green light, attached is the (text corrected, thanks!) HTML page. It might need tweaks at the refresh meta and last link to adjust it to the correct index page. The img absolute link is on purpose, in case others want to apply this page to their TLP sites too. Hmmm. I was more thinking all or nothing. If the board approves, swap the main httpd.conf for a config that will serve only this page. We swap configs again when the protest is over (a day?). Sander - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: EU Software Patents
I am in favor of opposing software patents (they aren not working out great in the USA), but we should not disadvantage our users. If we post anything, as we did regarding the JCP, it should not prevent our users from easily using the site. People count on the ASF, and while we may want them to focus on a problem with great potential for damage, we do not not want to inspire ill-will because someone could not access something they needed from our site in a timely manner. This issue has been around for years. Until something spectacularly bad happens, there will not be a popular uprising, but I cynically do not believe that the protest will have a great effect. My prediction is that what will happen is that companies like Microsoft will use patents and protocol copyright (copyrighting the wire level protocols) to attack Open Source software, since they are gradually losing on most other fronts. Microsoft has already turned a Court mandate that they open their protocols into a licensing scheme to control a wide range of wire level protocols. The infrastructure must remain open and unencumbered, but it seems that the only solution seems to be employing the same weapon. The IETF and other standards bodies should take out copyright and patent protection on the open standards, and use those as leverage in the same way that the big companies use their patent portfolio. Perhaps Roy should have filed a patent on REST. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Draft proposal for EU patents protest
From: Sander Striker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:55 PM Hmmm. I was more thinking all or nothing. If the board approves, swap the main httpd.conf for a config that will serve only this page. We swap configs again when the protest is over (a day?). Then again, although a stronger statement, maybe not. Our users deserve to be served as usual. Sander - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Draft proposal for EU patents protest
Whatever text we adopted will need to be approved, anyhow, but do you want to add anything to the effect that the Apache Software Foundation develops software based upon Open Standards and promotes inter-operability, both of which would be threatened by software patents, and therefore the ASF is taking its position based upon the firm belief that Internet technology must remain open and unencumbered? The irony is that the patent system was put into place to protect small inventors from powerful players, and to ensure that they would receive a fair economic reward. Instead it as evolved into a system where the largest players develop huge patent portfolios to use as leverage against their peers, and the smaller players are kept out of the system by the economics involved in the patent process. We see enough of that already here in the USA. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: EU Software Patents
+1, +1 and the main question remains why we (and I don't mean just the ASF but all of us that develop and/or work with OSS and free software) were collectively blind and deaf to this issue. This didn't surface just today. We simply had a blind spot for this. :-( Regards Henning On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 19:44, Danny Angus wrote: If anyone's counting a show of hands here I'm a European and +1 to opposing software patents in Europe and +1 to the ASF supporting the demo. d. -Original Message- From: Justin Erenkrantz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 August 2003 18:07 To: community@apache.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: EU Software Patents --On Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:09:14 +0100 Andrew Savory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to propose that we close (ie swap the front page for a protest page) as many of the Apache web sites as possible. Not to belittle this protest, but we do a good job of bringing our own sites down ourselves (or UnitedLayer does). If we were to do this, IMHO, it'd be at the board's direction - no one else has the authority to do this. If you want to provide a page that we could replace it with, that may make it easier to receive approval. -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- Geschaeftsfuehrer INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Schwabachgrund 22 Fon.: 09131 / 50654-0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] D-91054 Buckenhof Fax.: 09131 / 50654-20 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Draft proposal for EU patents protest
http://cvs.apache.org/~gianugo/apache-protest.html Page Closed - Important Notice this site - this site's --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: EU Software Patents
Is having the real home page one click or 60-seconds away for one day really something that bugs the Apache userbase a lot? No. I think what you did was fine in that regard, and have already commented on it. We are apparently still dealing with mail-lag. :-) I know that patents will be a huge issue for years to come. I predict that it will be really ugly. Fortunately, there are Open Source friendly companies like IBM, so with their patronage, Open Source can succeed. Should they turn face, ugly will be an understatement. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft proposal for EU patents protest
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Whatever text we adopted will need to be approved, anyhow, but do you want to add anything to the effect that the Apache Software Foundation develops software based upon Open Standards and promotes inter-operability, both of which would be threatened by software patents, and therefore the ASF is taking its position based upon the firm belief that Internet technology must remain open and unencumbered? I sure would like to see such statements but, given the lack of time, I thought that it would have been less questionable and debatable to have a more neutral text. But addition, if possible, would be most welcome. The irony is that the patent system was put into place to protect small inventors from powerful players, and to ensure that they would receive a fair economic reward. Instead it as evolved into a system where the largest players develop huge patent portfolios to use as leverage against their peers, and the smaller players are kept out of the system by the economics involved in the patent process. We see enough of that already here in the USA. And this is exactly why we're trying to keep that away from Europe. :-) BTW, thanks for your corrections: they have been applied. Ciao, -- Gianugo Rabellino Pro-netics s.r.l. - http://www.pro-netics.com Orixo, the XML business alliance - http://www.orixo.com (Now blogging at: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/gianugo/) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Draft proposal for EU patents protest
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Sander Striker wrote: From: Sander Striker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:55 PM Hmmm. I was more thinking all or nothing. If the board approves, swap the main httpd.conf for a config that will serve only this page. We swap configs again when the protest is over (a day?). Then again, although a stronger statement, maybe not. Our users deserve to be served as usual. While I agree that we should care about our users, in the long run, making a sign against software patents might be the ultimate gift to them. Besides, there's plenty of mirrors around that still carry the distributions. All ASF sites out for one day sure might attract some eyeballs. But yes, it should be up to the board the respective PMCs to make that judgement call. /Steven - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: EU Software Patents
I predict that it will be really ugly. Fortunately, there are Open Source friendly companies like IBM, so with their patronage, Open Source can succeed. Should they turn face, ugly will be an understatement. Agreed, but did you know: [that IBM is the worlds most prolific patenter] Yes. Hence the observation that the patrongage of companies like IBM would be essential. If patents are granted, the only way to combat them is with other key patents. It becomes a war to see whose portfolio is larger and has more keys that can be used to force someone else to let you use theirs. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Support the EU patent protest
Though I personally support the patent protest; and have been heavily donating bits, bandwidth,bytes and storage to the cause as a private citizen; I am not too eager to see the ASF jump into the political arena. So count it as a -0 for me. As this is certainly not in one issue which in my opinion directly relates to US (the ASF) or to open source. Sure - _if_ patent offices in europe are as bad/careless as in the US and _if_ cost recovery is made harder and _if_ the originality clase is swept under the table and _if_ the courts turn the table so that proving prior art suddenly becomes expensive in the EU.. then it may have an adverse effect on open source.. But then again - that is a lot of 'if's. And one can even see ways for Open Source to protect itself using EU patents linked to its own prior art at very low cost - and using that outside the EU to protect itself. Lets save these loud ASF statement/actions things for issues which _directly_ affect the ASF work. Dw - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PROPSAL] Support EU Patent Vote Protest
This may well be too late for any form of decision, but I propose that for the duration of the 27th August 2003 we change the index page of the main ASF web site to point at a page that states our opposition to the proposal being voted on and our support for the campaign against it. The page is currently at http://cvs.apache.org/~gianugo/apache-protest.html and simply imposes a 60 second delay on viewing the current ASF index page. The page contains very simple text that is non-inflammatory wordings and fits nicely with the ASF website look and feel. The page was written by Gianugo Rabellino [EMAIL PROTECTED] david - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
